The David Ferrie File 2 - The Ferrie and Shaw Relationship

espionage agencies. The technique is to photograph the document to be transmitted and vastly reduce the negative to the size that will fit inside a period. The microdot can be inserted in an innocuous letter or magazine and mailed or left in a dead drop, a pre arranged location for the deposit and pickup of messages. Thus, it may be significant that Oswald obtained library cards in Dallas and New

Orleans and usually visited the libraries on Thursday. The possible implication of his visits was not overlooked by the FBI, which confiscated every book he ever charged out and never returned them. Ooh ooh, what a fucking bunch of collectibles that would be right the books Oswald checked out of the library that were seized by the FBI. I wonder

what happened to those books. A piece that may fit into the puzzle is the discovery by Garrison of an adult borrower's card issued by the New Orleans Public Library in the name Clem Bertrand. The business address shown is the international trademark Shaw's former place of employment, and the home address thirty one hundred Louisiana Avenue Parkway, a wrong number, but conspicuously close to that of David Ferry at thirty

three to thirty Louisiana Avenue Parkway. There may be a pattern here, since Oswald supposedly cared a card issued to Ferry when arrested in Dallas. Still, another hint of Oswald's intelligence status is the inventory of his property seized by

Dallas police after the assassination. Included as such sophisticated optical equipment as a stereo realist camera, a hans A camera timer filters, a small German camera and Wolensack fifteen power telescope, Micron six ex binoculars, and a variety of film, hardly the usual accouterments of a lowly warehouseman. Stoveall exhibits upon his return from Russia. The man who subscribed to Pravda in the Marine Corps, and I didn't know it was Provda.

I thought it was the Worker or something else in the Marine Corps and lectured his fellow Marines on Marxist dialects. Set about institutionalizing his leftist facade. He wrote ingratiating letters to the national headquarters of the Communist Party fair Play for Cuba Committee and Socialist Workers Party. A copy of the famous snapshot of Oswald with a revolver on his hip, a rifle in one hand in the party organ the militant in the other was mailed to the SWP office

in New York in April of nineteen sixty three. Garrison believes that facade was intended to facilitate his entry into communist countries for special missions. Yes, yes, yes, yes, um, there is ah. This is kind of I don't know what word this is sur fit, sir, fate of indications of Oswald's status. Something story of Donald P. Norton, who claims he was impressed into the Agency Service in nineteen fifty seven under the threat of exposure as a homosexual.

So this too, Donald P. Norton's in this story. Believe it or not, there's this Donald P. Norton. I think who he's talking about, and is another one who comes forward connected to the Harvey and Lee story, So too Donald P. Norton's. In September nineteen sixty two, Norton related that he was dispatched from Atlanta to Mexico at fifty

thousand dollars for anti Castro groups. He had no sooner registered in the Yamaye Jelle Hotel in Monterey, Mexico, per instructions than he was contacted by one Harvey Lee, a dead ringer for Oswald, accepted his hair seem slightly thicker.

the Eastern Airlines counter at the Atlanta Airport. The contact was a singular appearing man who called himself Hugh Ferris or Ferris. Norton now states it was Ferry. Here are your samples, Ferry remarked, handing Norton a phonograph record. It's in the jacket. It was one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, which Norton duly delivered to a Cuban television performer in Havana.

Norton asserts he went to Freeport Grand Bahamas on an agency assignment in late nineteen sixty six, and upon his return to Miami, his contact instructed that something was happening in New Orleans and that I Norton should take a long, quiet vacation. He did, and started to fret about people who have died in recent months like Ferry, then decided to contact Garrison. Norton was given a lie detector test,

and there was no indications of deception. Ferry's involvement with CIA seems to stem mainly from his anti Castro paramilitary activity, although there is a suggestion that he was at one time a pilot for the agency. In the late nineteen forties and early nineteen fifties, he flew light planes commercially in the Cleveland, Ohio area. It was raided by his colleagues as an outstanding pilot in the middle nineteen fifties, as an untraceable gap in his career. Then he turns

up as an Eastern Airlines pilot. Although he supposedly obtained an instrument rating at the Sunnyside Flying School in Tampa, Florida, there's no record that any such school ever existed. Well, he definitely lived in Tampa in forty nine. We have the confirmation from Eastern Airlines of his IRS records, which said he was married and had two dependents at the time.

And then Eastern Airlines finds the information on David W. Ferry Junior, and they got that information basically because they ran the license plates of cars that went to David Ferry's apartment, and one of the license plates came back to David W. Ferry Junior. It wasn't in New Orleans, it was one of the suburbs. I don't remember which one offhand, but that's a fascinating piece of trivia that no one's ever really discussed or talked about. So you're

talking late sixty two, early sixty three. David Ferry has a car in his driveway with the license plate registered to a David W. Ferry Junior who lives in Maybe it was Alexandria. I don't recall. I'll have to double check, but that's super significant, super significant. I don't know why David Ferry Junior would be in touch with David Ferry Senior and there would be like no record of it other than the Eastern Airlines investigation. Why are they hiding

David Ferry Junior's activities? So continue on. A clue to Fairy's activities may lie and the loss of Harry suffered. A fellow employee at Eastern recalls that when Fairy first joined the line, he was handsome and friendly, but in the end became moody and paranoiac, afraid the Communists were out to get him. The personality change coincided with a gradual loss of hair. First, a bald spot appeared, which Fairy explained was caused by acid dripping from a plane

a plane battery. Then the hair began falling out in clumps. Fairy desperately studied medicine to try to halt the process until his body was entirely devoid of hair. One speculation is that he was moonlighting and suffered a psychological reaction to exposure to the extreme altitudes required for clandestine flights. Chinese Nationalists U two pilots reportedly have suffered the same hair loss phenomenon. I think this one particular column here

is we already read through this earlier. I'll just go through it again. One of Fairy's covert tasks in New Orleans area was to drill small teams in guerrilla warfare. One of his young protegees had revealed that he had trained some of his CAAP cadets and Cubans and formed them into five man small weapons units, this under the

auspices of the Marine Corps and State Department. Coupled with this the information from another former protege that Faery confided that he was working for the CIA rescuing Cubans out of Castro's prisons, and on one occasion was called to Miami so that the CIA could test him and see what the type of person he was who told his

business to anybody. In a speech before the Military Order of World wars in New Orleans and late sixty one, Fairy related that he had piloted trained pilots in Guatemala for the Bay of Pigs and professed bitter disappointment they were not used. All right, all right, this looks I think this is new. What pages is on doesn't indicate. The probe refocused on Ferry, and on December fifteenth, he

was brought in for further questioning. Asked pertinent details of the whirlwind Texas trip in sixty three, he begged lack of memory and referred as questioners to the FBI. What about the goose hunting? We did, in fact get to where the geese were, But there were thousands he re counted, but you couldn't approach him. They were a wise bunch of birds. Pressed for details on what took place at the ice rink, Ferry became irritated ice skate. What do you think? He snapped. It didn't take the DA's men

long to poke holes in Fairiy's theory. Melvin Coffee, one of his companions on the sixty three Texas trip, deposed that it was not a sudden inspiration. Well, Coffee wasn't on that trip. The trip was arranged beforehand, Yes, how long before a couple of days? That's a quote, by the way. The probers also determined that no one had taken along any shotguns on the goose hunting trip in Houston.

The ice skating alibi was similarly discredited. In nineteen sixty three, the FBI interviewed Chuck Roland, proprietor of the Winterland Skating Rink. Ferry contacted him by telephone. Notice how they skipped over his first name there. Fairy contacted him by telephone November twenty second, sixty three and asked for the skating schedule.

A Bureau report, one of the few unclassified documents on Ferry, reveals mister Ferry stated that he was coming in from out of town and desired to do some skating while in Houston. On November twenty third, sixty three, between three thirty and five thirty pm, mister Ferry and two companions

came to the rink and talked to mister Roland. The report continues that Ferry and Roland had a short general conversation and that Ferry remarked that he and his companions would be in and out of the skating rink during the Weekend commissioned Document three ZHO one. When Garrison's men recently talked to Roland, they obtained pertinent facts that the FBI had either missed or failed to report in nineteen sixty three. Roland was certain that none of the three

men in Ferri's party had ice skated. Ah, that's false. That's not what he said. He said two of them I skated and Ferry did not. That's what he told him. So this article is clearly wrong. Ferry had spent the entire two hours he was at the rank, standing by the payphone, and finally received a call and made some calls. At Houston International Airport, more information was gleaned. Air service personnel seemed to recall that in nineteen sixty three, Ferry

had access to an airplane based in Houston. In this craft, the flight to Matamoros would take little more than an hour. Ferry had patently lied about the purpose of the trip. One of the standard tactics of bank robbers is to escape from the scene of the crime in a hot car that cannot be traced to them, then switched to a cold car of their own to complete the getaway. Garrison considers it possible that Ferry may have been the pilot of the second craft in a two stage escape

of the Dallas assassins to south of the border. That's complete fucking fantasy nonsense, or may have been slated to be a backup pilot in the event contingency plans were activated. Did Ferry know Oswald the pilot denied it, but the evidence mounts that he did. For example, there's now in Garrison's hands information that when Oswald was arrested by Dallas police, he had in his possession a current New Orleans Library card issued to David Ferry. That is completely false. I've

dug deep into this story. It is complete nonsense. There was possibly a rumor that went around to this, but this didn't occur. I don't even know why the hell they made this shit up. It definitely did not happen. I do not believe the person we know is Oswald was interacting with David Ferry whatsoever. There's no reason for

him to have had his library card period. Reinforcing the validity of this information is a Secret Service report on the questioning of Ferry by that agency when he was in federal custody in sixty three during an otherwise mild interrogation. Ferry was asked, strangely enough, if he lent his library card to Oswald. No, he replied, producing a card from the New Orleans Public Library in the name of doctor David Ferry. That card had expired, so David Ferry had

his library card on him. So this whole story is nonsense. It was probably. Oh so it was Jack Martin. I forgot. This is Jack Martin. Bullshit. Jack Martin when he called the FBI and told him about David Ferry being in Fort Worth two days before the assassination and all that stuff. I believe at that point in time he told him that he had David Ferry's library card. I think that is the origin of this entire thing. It's bullshit from Jack Martin when he realized he was a suspect in

Garrison's current investigation. Faerry seemed to deteriorate by the time he died on February twenty second, nineteen sixty seven. He was a nervous wreck, subsisting on endless cigarettes and cups of coffee, and had enough tranquilizers to pacify an army. He had sought out the press only days before his death, labeling the probe a fraud and complaining that he was the victim of a witch hunt. I suppose he has

I suppose he has me. There is a quote. I suppose he has me, And then it seems to cut off, and then it picks up again. No number twenty seven. It is twenty second sixty three. There were many men in many places glancing at their watches. But if we do not fight for the truth now, we may never have another chance. Yeah, so it looks like it was this little column missing. Oh here it is, Okay, here we go. I suppose he has me pegged as a

getaway pilot, he remarked bitterly. When Garrison delivered his epitaph of Ferry as one of history's most important individuals. Most of the press winked knowingly. The probe was, after all, a publicity stunt, and the DA had his headlines. Now that his prime suspect had conveniently passed away, he had the perfect excuse to inter his probe alongside the deceased pilot. But for DA Jim Garrison, it was not the end but the beginning. The FBI clear as a suspect on

the morning after the assassination. As the nation lay stunned by grief, Garrison summoned his staff for the office for a brainstorming session to explore the post disability that Lee Harvey Oswald had accomplices in New Orleans, where the previous summer he had stumped the streets advocating fair play for Cuba. DA's men put out feelers into the city's netherworld, and

it was first assistant DA Frank Klein who registered the feedback. First, a slight furtive sometime private eye named Jack S. Martin confided that David William Ferry had taken off on a sudden trip to Texas the afternoon of the assassination. The tipster knew Fairy well, although there was bad blood between them.

Both had worked intermittently for the same detective firm W Guy Banister and Associates, and were affiliated with the Apostolic Orthodox Old Catholic Church, a sect steeped in theological anti communism. An exceptionally skilled pilot, Ferry had been dismissed from Eastern Airlines in nineteen sixty two due to publicity over alleged homosexual activities. According to Martin, Ferry had commanded a Civil Air Patrol Squadron, of which Oswald had once been a member.

He had taught Oswald to shoot with a telescopic sight and had become involved with his protege in an assassination plot. Less than two weeks before the target date, Ferry had made a trip to Dallas. His assigned role in the assassination, Martin said was to fly the escaping conspirators to Matamoros, Mexico, near Brownsville, Texas. When Ferry returned to New Orleans on the Monday following President Kennedy's death, he was interrogated by

the DA's office. He said his trip had been arranged on the spur of the moment with two companions, Alvin Boboo and Melvin Coffee. I still wonder why he tried to protect Layton Martin's and leave him out of it when it was clearly lighton Martins who went on the trip. He had driven straight through Houston Friday night. On Saturday afternoon, the three skated at an ice rank. That evening, they made the short jog to Galveston and hunted geese Sunday morning.

Sunday afternoon, they headed back to New Orleans, but detoured to Alexandria, Louisiana to visit relatives of Bo Boof.

So one thing that I find, and it slaps me in the face more and more the longer I do this. That when you go into Garrison's files or even the FBI or wherever, and there's like a ton of effort put into something, or a ton of effort put into someone, and then it goes nowhere, there's usually something more there than meets the eye. Right now, I'm looking into James Leuallen. I'm beginning to look into James Leuallen. He was a

friend of in New Orleans. He's the Jimmy referenced in the Dear Bastard letter, and there was a decent amount of effort put into researching his background and stuff, and so I'm starting to think there was more to it than he was just a friend of Fairies. The amount of effort they put into him is telling me that

there was something there that they were aware of. And so my kind of initial take on him was he worked in the car rental business at the time, and so I kind of had a suspicion that perhaps he maybe rented some of the cars that were used in this plot that I can't seem to like get a grip on who the owner was or whatnot, Right, like

the light colored Ford Falcon station wagon. No idea who owned that Nune because all the records of it have Fairies Mercury Comment license plate on it, right, So I just kind of assumed that I don't even want to say assumed, assume it's too strong overword, but I kind of had the inkling that James le Well was perhaps involved in renting some of the cars that we can't identify, but perhaps there's more. Right And so my point is, if they put a lot of effort into something and

it doesn't go anywhere. You might want to try to take it somewhere because there might be something there. They didn't put all that effort in for no reason. Right, people who are minimal on the outskirts in the background, you can tell the FBI has like a one page report. I spoke to this person and got his information, and he doesn't really seem to be involved, n FI, you know, no further information. And so when they do put in, you know, fifty pages of documents on somebody, there might

be something there, all right? Where did I leave off? All right? Garrison was unconvinced by Fairy's account, and all night dashed through the worst rainstorm in years to start a mercurial junket of over one thousand miles in three days for recreational purposes was too much to swallow. It was a curious trip to a curious place at a curious time, The DA recalls. He booked Ferry as a fugitive from Texas and handed him over to the FBI.

The g men questioned him intensively, then released him. Since the forty odd pages recording the FBI interrogation of Fairy are still classified at the National Archives, one can surmise the reasons the Bureau stamped its file on him closed. All right, we need that, don't we. Let me screenshot this for a reminder, but there's a forty page file on David Ferry's recordings of his interview that weekend. That

so it should have been what Sunday, Monday Tuesday. Apparently the FBI did not take the plot the pilot too seriously. A short bureau document the National Archives revealed Ferry had admitted being publicly and privately critical of Kennedy for withholding air cover at the Bay of Pigs, and had used expressions like he ought to be shot, but agents agreed

he did not mean the threats literally. Most convincing at the time, the fact that Ferry did not leave New Orleans until hours after the assassination seemed to rule out his role as a getaway pilot. All right, let me just comment on this real quick. That's bullshit. David Ferry was in Fort Worth two days before the assassination, as per Jack Martin, who told the FBI the truth because he was angry and hated David Ferry. That's where all

the library card stuff comes from. But here where it says that Ferry did not leave New Orleans until hours after the assassination. Well, who the hell are his witnesses? His alibi witnesses A bunch of mobsters, g Ray Gill, Alice Gui, DROs and Regis Kennedy. That's it. That's it. A corrupt FBI agent who worked directly for Hoover as New Orleans point man on the Cubans, and a bunch of mobsters and the mobster's lawyer and his secretary. Give

me a fucking break, Give me a fucking break. David Ferry was the man seen by Eda Hoffman behind the pick of fence. So the alibi story is complete bullshit. The see, this is where you got to like reverse engineer stuff, right, so what you got first? First you have to look at the statements he gave to Garrison. A perfect example of this is the in the JFK movie when he talks to Ferry that summarizes the whole thing in a nutshell. Right, he knows David Ferry is

full of shit. He knows it right, contradicting his story, doesn't remember where he went all that stuff, and then he's interrogated for a couple of days, paid a visit by John Corporan, and then he's let go and he's given a squeaky clean, you know, bill of health, basically saying he was not in Dallas. Bullshit, He was in Dallas. The FBI covered it up. Everyone covered it up because

everyone fucking knew. Everyone knew. So all right, I'll get off my high horse and continue on Moreover, the stints and monoplane he then owned was sitting at lake Front Airport in unfliable condition. That's because he drove dumbass. Accepting the FBI's judgment, Garrison dropped his investigation. I had full confidence in the FBI, ben he explains, there was no reason to try and second guess them. Then it seems to pick up here, and this is probably the end

of the article. Constraint barely sufficient for a man to get off two shots from a bolt action rifle, much less three. And I don't know where that came from. The DA's mind reverted to the strange trip of pilot David Ferry, and he began to wonder how perceptive the FBI had really been in dismissing the whole thing. When he returned to New Orleans, he went into virtual seclusion in his study at home, lubricating over Luke. I don't know where this is Luke q braiding over the volumes

of the Warren Report. When he became convinced that Oswald could not have acted alone and that at least a phase of the conspiracy had been centered in New Orleans, he committed his office to a full scale probe. He launched it quietly, preferring to work more efficiently in the dark. And it looks like that is the end of that article. What do we have next? Memorandum to Jim Garrison from

Richard V. Burn's assisting District attorney. This is a Garrison document in regards to investigation of lead for relationship with Clay Shawn David Ferry. Lead four indicates that our office has information that won Patrick Burke, an attorney, is aware of the relationship between Sean Ferry on January nineteenth sixty eight. On January ninth, nineteen sixty eight, at about two thirty PM, I spoke to Patrick Burke, an attorney in New Orleans,

on the telephone. He stated he neither knows Clay Shaw, nor David Ferry, nor any reason why our office would have information that he's aware of such a relationship between the two subjects. A transcript of our telephone conversation has been prepared and will be attached to this memorandum. I've known Patrick Burke since nineteen fifty nine, at which time we both entered Tulane Law School in the freshman class. I have never known anything that would cast suspicion on

his credibility. Further investigation will be made if the informant can be contacted. Signed Richard V. Burns. The following is a telephone interview between Assistant District Attorney Richard V. Burns an attorney at law, Patrick Burke. This interview was conducted January ninth, nineteen sixty eight. This is Richard Burns in the District Attorney's office. Would you see if mister Patrick Burke is available to talk with me. I don't believe he's in. Just a moment, he's not in me. I

take a message. Would you have him give me a call? Please? Would you give your name again? Richard Burns? And he spells it, thank you. When do you expect him in? He should be in shortly. He went to lunch. All right, thank you, goodbye. I hate to keep you waiting, but I was out of my office. I was near the coffee pot when you called. Listen, you might be able to help me out with something. Okay, weren't you in the CP in the Civil Air Patrol? No? No, I

was merchant Marine type. Uh huh, seagoing. I knew you had some military background, and I thought you were in Civil Air Patrol. And I'm checking in the background of David Ferry, and I understood that you knew him or something. No, not me. You didn't know him in any way at all. No, uh huh, CAP, I don't even know anybody in the CAP. As a matter of fact. Oh well, I didn't have any information that you were in the CAAP. But I did hear that you knew David Ferry, and I figured

you probably knew him from the CAP. Oh no, I gee, I've never heard of Ferry until I read his name in the papers. As a matter of fact, Uh, what about Shaw? Did you know Shaw or anything?

But this is outside of my realm of law, strictly in Admiralty, right, I knew that and know nothing about criminal law. So really I haven't been too even interested in the whole matter. Quite frankly, uh huh. Well, you know, things like this happened. For instance, a wife of one of the announcers made some statement that she actually made,

and she actually made it. We traced it all the way back to her and it was just casual conversation, but we did actually trace it back to the time it was said to someone else, you know, who accepted it as true and then passed it on to us. See, and that's what I'm digging out now. But you don't know, a hu Crane, No, I sure don't. Of course, you know, I was raised, you know, I was raised in Lake Charles, and I don't know, maybe back in my school days. I don't know. The name doesn't ring a bell with

me at all. Let's see, before tu Lane, where'd you go before law school? Well, of course I went at the I was at the Merchant Marine Academy, in New York before you know.

Sean Ferry. Although Burke appears to be a New Orleans attorney, and this information appears to have come from Baton Rouge, and they referred me to a memorandum.

And there's a Patrick Burke, okay, that would be me. Now, Patrick Elberke, all right, that's both listed as attorney. And there's a Patrick W. Burke, no senior. Well, it might be that they meant one of these other Patrick Burks. I don't know, Dick, as I was saying, I haven't even been interested in the proceedings. I've been tied up in my own little field over here. Yeah, I imagine it keeps you pretty busy, but those names mean absolutely nothing to me.

we talk about our own law legal problems. You know, would anyone play any pranks on you that would telephone pranks or anything. No, not that I know of, Dick, uh huh, except I did get a little prank that I thought was quite funny not too long ago in the mail about whether or not I'd take the place of some herman who was sitting as an idiot for some evangelist I think, or something of that nature. Did you ever find out who who it was? No? I

never did. Now, with admiralty practice, unless you're representing claimants, you wouldn't have many people that would go out with any vindictiveness and do something. Well, no, because my clients are all insurance. I'm strictly defense. Yeah, okay, my contacts are all in London, really right, so you wouldn't have this kind of thing. No, uhh Well, you've helped me

a lot. Now I'm going to get to this memorandum from hu Crane that I'm referring to here, and I'm going to go over it and it may have some information in hear that we can check out, or maybe you can recognize or something so I can trace it down. And they may even be mistaken about that. Patrick Burke. Oh, here's another thing. Have you ever been mistaken for another Burke who's an attorney not in New Orleans. No. In other words, have you ever gotten any letters or calls

or any Oh? Yeah, I've been getting letters up here and attorney for Pat Burke, and I'm getting calls all the time wanting me to represent a divorce or something of that nature. You know. No, what I mean is that belonged to another attorney named Pat Burke. For instance. I'm always at if I'm related to one of the Burns that are practicing law, and I'm always telling them no, uh huh, no, I can't say that I have Dick.

Uh huh. Well, this helps me out, Pat, And if I find anything further on the memorandum, I'll give you a call back. Feel free to do so. Okay, thank you very much, all right, goodbye. So that's an interesting letter for them to spend a lot of time on in this file. For it to not go anywhere, so tells me there might be something to it. Who else is in the Merchant Marine? Well we got Andrew Blackman, right,

all right? So it says now we're moving into the David Ferry file number three, and this is section one. Memorandum January twenty fifth, sixty eight to Jim Garrison from Richard Burns, Assistic District Attorney reference Clay Shaw conspiracy to murder John Kennedy. On January eleventh, sixty eight. I returned the telephone call which our office received on January tenth, nineteen sixty eight. The call came from now A Tayat, Oklahoma. The calling number was two seven three three two two six.

The calling party was a mister Robinson. The telephone is not that of mister Robinson's, but that of a neighbor. Mister Robinson read to me a statement from a John M. Tucker which he had received. The statement related to the involvement of Dave Ferry and Clay Shaw in a conspiracy to murder John Kennedy. Mister Robinson does not know the present location of John Tucker, but he will forward the letter to us in an attempt to locate Tucker. A

transcript of the conversation is attached. Telephone conversation between mister Robinson, Nowateea, Oklahoma, and Richard Burns, Assistant District Attorney. I have a letter and something's redacted and it said and he told me, mister Burns says, I'm aware of it. I thought maybe he might want to see the letter. All right, who is? Can you tell me something about the letter? I have it.

I could read it to you. Well, I'm interested in hearing about it because right now, you see, I don't know who you really are, or really what the letters are about or anything. Oh yeah, let me get it. I'll read it to you. All right. Do you have it there, I'll get it real quick. Are you ready? Right, it says, I'll read it exactly like it was written. Okay, it says I, John M. Tucker give this paper to JJ Robertson on the above date, putting my signature to

it that its authority will be known. I was in New Orleans in the first wait just a second, in the first quarter of nineteen sixty two, and there I met an individual now under investigation for the conspiracy of the murder of John F. Kennedy. At the time, I did not know of any conspiracy or plan and was never a member of any right or left wing party, merely an individual exposed for a short time to the

planning of a distorted person. I judged the individual to be something of a homosexual and thought to go along for a laugh.

he was referring to that's alive? As what? Who is the live person he's referring to? Just a minute, mister Robinson. It says here that sooner or later his name will come up in the investigation. Uh huh and redacted? Something's redacted here? If not, then my and redacted. If not, then my description of him as he says here, Well, sooner or later his name will come up in the investigation. Now, this individual that gave me this, uh huh. Now, let me ask you this. What is your address where I

can get in touch with you? You have the phone number where you can get in touch with me, right? Can you give me a street address or anything? One O eight North mccaffe mccafarrow. Want to wait where north mccafarrow mc c A F F E R O. Okay? And now what do you do for a living? Normally? I'm just a mechanic. Are you employed at any place right now? Yes, sir? Can you tell me where that is? For my father? And all right? And where is his business located? Tulsa, Oklahoma?

And what's the name of his business or how? In other words, I want to be able to get in touch with you in case I need to call you or something. Well, you can call me right here at this phone number, which would be okay, all right? Now, this Tucker guy, how can I get in touch with him? The last time I seen him he was in Muskegee. He was going to Muskegee. Well, now, isn't that near where Norman, Oklahoma is in Oklahoma City? Around there Muskegee?

Uh huh No, Mstige's right over there by Tulsa. Oh, I see. You wouldn't know how to get in touch with him, now, no, right off, I wouldn't, but I could probably write a letter, make two or three phone calls and get in touch with them. I would like to get in touch with them, you know, it was a witness. I'd also like to get a copy of that statement, if it's at all possible. That's the reason why I saved it.

My problem is that you may move, and you may be intending to let me know, and a couple of weeks may pass or something, And it would help a lot if I knew how to get in touch with you. Well, if you want to write a letter, or if you want to call me, you can call me at this phone number, because I'll always be within the hollowing distance of it. Okay, Now, how far is Noah ti from? From Tulsa fifty two miles fifty two miles and you

drive to work each day over in and then that's redacted. Right, I guess this information, and you will send me a copy of the letter. Well, would you rather have a photostatic copy of it? Either a copy of the letter? Either one is fine. Well, look here, I'll tell you what I can do. I can mail this letter just as it's written here. Uh huh, and another little piece of paper which I didn't read to you, and I'll just stick it right here in the uh huh, and I'll mail it to you.

the people under the investigation. Maybe that we have the name, but you do, I said, it may be, But I mean I wouldn't know necessarily because there's a lot of us working on it, you see. Yeah, so that's why I wish I could remember the name. But he didn't put any name in here except for Faery or far or whatever Faery right now. Did he tell you anything about his clothing manufacturers or anything else about other information you can pass on to me. He told me they were at a party.

be in trouble if we found out about it. Naturally. But the point of it is, if he's just a witness, just happened to be there and had no participation, he'd have nothing to worry about. And if we used him as a witness and he had to come down here, we would certainly pay the expenses to bring him down here, which you know we're required to do under a law anyway, but we would not try to embarrass him. I'd quite frankly like to talk to him and see if what

information he has. Do you think he was telling you the truth or do you think that he was making it up? Yes, I really believe the boy was well, he has no reason to tell me lies about anything. And the way he talked to when we were discussing socialism.

for them. I don't know for sure. The truth is, since you're the only one that knows how to get in touch with them, I won't be able to find them unless you can help me do it. All right, they're just wrapping up, and that is the end of the conversation, and we're gonna call it here for today. But let me just scroll through the next couple pages. Oh, we have something here that says a Commission document seventy five. Okay,

so there is a series of documents. It's supposed to be like two hundred and fifty plus documents, and the name of the documents are Commission Documents one through whatever. Okay, we've got like five percent of those documents. Okay, the vast majority of them are gone. And John Armstrong had a very strong inkling that that's where all the good stuff is in these missing commission documents, and so if anyone's going to ask for documents, that's what we need

to be getting. But here this has Commission Documents seventy five Report a Special Agent Warren C. Debris dated twelve two sixty three at Dallas, Texas Analysis of Classified Pages. The above document, in two volumes and seven hundred and thirty seven pages long, is one of the most important FBI reports in the archives. It also contains more material about New Orleans than any other document, including the forty

classified pages on David Ferry. It is also the document which Wegman was looking at on May tenth, like all the bulky documents pertaining to the assassination, and is in the List B category, which means it is unclassified, but numerous pages are withdrawn at the request of the FBI. Portions of the document have been published as CES nineteen eighty six to nineteen forty two. Oh how long is this thing?