Cory Hughes on Ciphered Past with Tim Gardner

contradictions in Oswald's life growing up. And I'm currently working on Lee Harvey Oswald and Black and White Volume two, which focuses on Oswald's time in the Marines, which is even more of a complicated story to tell than the early life of Oswald. So it's the more you dig into it, the more it comes becomes a parent that they were two Oswald's and so that's the story that.

that up. And again, it's a pleasure, Cory just to have you on, So.

talking about? Of course you should care about the shooters, right, And so nobody has ever even seemingly attempted to tackle that outside of some genuinely outlandish conspiracy theories. And so I felt that there was enough data in order to put that story together, and I believe I was correct in my assessments. So yeah, so Warning from History definitely if you're interested in knowing who pulled the triggers in their relationship to the larger apparatus, that's definitely the book to get.

detective and a street cop. Excuse me, forgive me, but it's just interesting the background and then getting into this and the parallels when it comes to let's say, a story like this which is still unsolved, but for you, you have you have a good idea of how how it happened, and and in your mind and in your research your fellow research team's mind, you feel like you've

solved this case. Now, what I will say is the differences between let's say life as a police officer on a on a certain murder case versus a case like this, which is still open. What are the parallels on that?

in daily plaza. William Seymour and Paul Landis are still alive and they can be talked to, but they're the only ones. I can't think of another person who is still alive from these circles. And so one thing I want to comment on in general is that when I talk about my conclusions on shooters and whatnot, that is all based on the evidence that's out there, and that's

been out there for a long time. And when you go through all the documents on all the relevant subject areas within the assassination, you will eventually establish a cast of characters, a central cast of characters that pretty much meets the descriptions of witnesses in various places. Right, So police always have when they construct a case, they have their lists of suspects, witnesses, you know, subjects, others, all

kinds of stuff. And when in going through this case, I found that establishing a pretty centralized cast of characters

wasn't overly difficult. The central cast of characters really circulates around New Orleans and David Ferry and that whole click I'd say, well, over I'd say, like sixty percent of the plotters are connected to this New Orleans circle, right, And so as you get to know David Ferry and you get to know the people he surrounded himself with, you can kind of establish whom was in his inner circle and whom was kind of on the outskirts, whom

would have knowledge of his plotting of the assassination, and whom probably wouldn't because they were far enough away. Right. So establishing the central cast of characters is absolutely paramount

in putting together any case. And so when I look at the conclusions I've drawn and I look for alternatives, alternatives to conclusions I've made, I have run out of people in central casting right to plug in the gaps and the idea that there's anybody who, in all the vast amount of research I've done, who's escaped me in anybody's inner circle, whether it's Jack Ruby in Dallas or

David Ferry in New Orleans, you know, or the mercenaries. Doubt, in no name, key, there's nobody who I could possibly put in any of the roles who's outside these spheres, you know what I mean. There's not some random third party I never heard of who could replace any of the people I put in Daily Plaza. And so that's why I'm pretty confident in the conclusions I've come to.

and is just fantastic to read. I think I've gained more information from you in my time, just my little short time with the social media aspect of this thing, I've gained so much knowledge from you, and so I'm very grateful for that in itself.

seeing the relationships, and they're so close. So many people are so close but fail to pull the trigger, fail to match The descriptions of the man by ed Hoffman and Velma behind the book depository and the witnesses at the tip of shooting failed to connect that with the descriptions of David Ferry, right, And so it's to me. And like another example is, like Garrison had fucking Ferry in his office on Monday after the assassination. That's how close they came all the way back then thanks to

Jack Martin's phone call. Right, Like, the assassination has been on the verge of being solved for decades. If you ask me, it just needed a couple pieces shifted around, that's it, you know.

And once you go through the statements of Thomas Compton, who was a Civil Air Patrol guy who is now up at Southeastern University in Louisiana, once you read his statements in the statements of his dorm room roommate of Frank Cholona, once you read those two documents, those two documents are like the thread that when you pull them, will unravel first David Faerri's entire story, then it will unravel the Knowle, and then it will unravel the whole assassination. Right,

And so the problem with Garrison is that. And I don't know why he never put David Faerry in Dallas, but to the end he stayed adamant that David Ferry was not in Dallas. And I think most of his conclusions were drawn upon the fact that that information came from the FBI and the Secret Service. And I just don't understand how he never made that connection, because once he would have made that connection, the whole thing should

have fallen right into place. When you go through the files about the Winterland, it becomes apparent that the two boys who went with David Ferry allegedly Alvin Bobouf and Melvin Coffee. Melvin Coffee never went on the trip. That was just an alibi use of his name by Leyton Martins. There are some interesting things in the Garrison files and

how he structured his files. And he knew that he knew that Leyton Martin's went on that trip, and he also knew that David Ferry never went to the Winterland. And I don't know why he never put this in a book or said it in an interview, but from the manner in which Garrison structured his files, it became pretty apparent when you pull his file on Sergei Arcochia, who I have concluded was the man who went to the Winterland instead of David Ferry, who went as David

Ferry to provide David Ferry with an alibi. When you get to the Sergeia Arcocha file in Garrison's collection, the entire file is about the Winterland. It doesn't mention Arkocha once. Now, at first I thought that might have been a mistake, but it wasn't a mistake. Garrison put all the Winterland stuff in the Arcata file because he knew Arkacha went to the Winterland, but he never said it out loud.

A lot of things about Garrison and his files that the way he set up and structured his files told me a whole lot more than he ever said in a book or anywhere else. Like when you get to the the Kerry Thornley file within the Garrison collection, on page one is a note about JD. Tippett, Okay, because he knew that he was involved with the shooting of JD. Tippet.

The second page I believe was up a picture of a file from Doug Jones at Jones Printing, and that was because he knew Kerry Thornley picked up the flyers from Doug Jones, the fair Play for Cuba Committee flyers.

I know that he arrested Emilio Santana, who I place as the shooter at the Daltex, and he interrogated him for five days. We don't have a single page of that interrogation. Okay, So the vast majority of Garrison's files were destroyed. There should be a thousand pages on Lauren Hall and William Seymour and Lawrence Howard, but there aren't. There aren't any. And I did find an interview of Lawrence Howard that was from the Garrison files, but it

was actually stuck in the Wiseberg collection. So Wiseberg scored a copy before it was actually destroyed, which is interesting. So, but Garrison was the closest we had come. He arrested clay Shaw for conspiracy, and he was correct in doing so. He made the connections correctly so to Centremondia Commercial and Lewis Bloomfield and perm Index and the Israeli apparatus. But that never really he never really pushed that angle of things when you look at the materials that he had

and the conclusions that he had drawn. He arrested clay Shaw extremely extremely prematurely, because he hadn't put the case together yet. The most important Garrison stuff came from later on, way after the case was concluded, in his personal notes and things like that. I think he eventually ended up coming to a lot of good conclusions, but he never

put Fairy in Dallas, which is still very frustrating. And I'm positive he never identified the shooter on the knoll, or probably any of the mafia guys who are in Daily Plaza. But he was on the right track in his investigations of Faery and clay Shaw, but seemingly he didn't take either one of them far enough.

good conclusions. I mean, like he he obviously there there were moles and people he was dealing with, and he was he had threats, you know, his family had threats, you know, and the guy was really just I mean, you'd mentioned to me one time before that you feel like he was, out of all the researchers, he was pretty close, just like you mentioned about Fairy, I mean like he was he was that close to getting this

thing dialed in. And unfortunately it's just like one of the some of those things in life, you don't know how close you are to greatness until you know. You know, but it that's how it goes. And so in the aftermath of Garrison, do you think that he just was deflated after losing that trial on Shaw.

as Ferry's roommate. And the first couple of times that he met him, he had a big beard, a full on bushy beard. Okay, So first off, there's only one person in New Orleans in the circle who's ever had a big, bushy beard and was described as a beatnik, and that's Kerry Thornley, right, And so the party puts what Clem Bertrand and David Ferry and a couple of Cubans and Perry Russo and David Ferry. And the conversation is extremely prescient, I'll say, because David Ferry is ranting

about Kennedy and they're talking about assassinating Kennedy. They're talking about triangulation of crossfire. They're talking about how everybody involved needs to have an alibi and they need to be somewhere where they can be saved, where they can be said that they were seen in public. They also talk about how one of the shooters will be the patsy and you'll have to pull it off in a way, and one way to do it would be that one of the shooters shoots Kennedy and that one of the

other shooters shoots the patsy. And so that was talked about. And so when you start to dig into like what they were talking about at this party, and then look at what happened in Dealey Plaza, it's pretty close. Not identical, but it's pretty close. You know, triangulation to cross fire and then everyone has an alibi, right clay Shaw said that he was on the train to Portland, but he doesn't show up. In Portland till the twenty fifth David

Ferry is seen at the funeral in Hammon, Louisiana. Right, that's supposed to be his alibi there, but that conflicts with a whole bunch of other stuff that he's supposed to be on this trip. Right, So David Ferry's whole trip story falls apart.

case to death. What could possibly be left Once I started to realize that David Ferry had lied about everything, and that in the documents alone, just in the David Ferry file, from comparing his statements to what actually happened, it becomes obvious he's lying, right, And so I don't know if everyone was just stuck on the statements of Regis Kennedy and the alleged alibi story that he gave which is even he screws up when the FBI interviews David Ferry. He screws up his own alibi so bad,

and they just brush right over it, you know. So, and when you think that David Ferry was in Garrison's office on Monday, held till Tuesday, and then talked to by the FBI and the Secret Service, and they clear him like the guy's immaculate, Like he couldn't possibly have anything to do with this. How could they be so sure after one in a short interview with David Ferry? It makes no sense. Here's an interesting connection. The first person to visit David Ferry in jail was John Corporan.

John Corporan was the guy who put Oswald on television on WDSU. So that that is interesting, isn't it very interesting considering the series of events that got Oswald on television. So that's a great story. I love that story because it's proof that it's proof the CIA was setting up Oswald. The story started. It starts with, you know, when he's out there handing out those flyers on Canal Street and then he ends up getting filmed and all that stuff.

That story came about because John corpor William Gaday is across the street in his building. William Gadday runs the Latin American Report, which is a straight up. He's a CIA employee and he runs Latin American propaganda add New Orleans, and he sees Oswald out there. So what does he do. He calls Jesse Corr at the Trademark, who's an associate close associate at clay Shaw. Jesse Corr goes and sees Oswald. He calls John corporand John corporand sends out a news crew.

They get Oswald on TV. Then they set up the interview that he's on television. And who was William goad Day's boss? It's Joandas Joanitas of jan Wave is his boss. And we know that Joandas was in New Orleans that summer right, So to me, this is pretty clear evidence the CIA intentionally got Oswald on television to help build the legend of Oswald the communists.

what this whole thing is. You know, Oswald being involved. He wasn't involved. I mean, as the audience gets to know about you and your work, they'll begin to see that everything is not what it appears. But from a let's just say a surface level activity. You said that, and I agree with this that the CIA, you know, had Oswald there doing the interview basically just to talk

to the guy from New Orleans. Now, when that expunges out to the day of the assassination, a lot of people have the impression that they had already had this thing pre coordinated about like what you mentioned that Perry Russo. It saw at the party, you know, where they had plans for Patsy, they had plans who would take the shot, this, this, that nature. So with the CIA's aspect in CIA's role in this, in your opinion, how would that coordinate with the day of the assassination.

But every single one of these guys from Clay Shaw who was not working for Carlos Marcelo, right, clay Shaw was a long time upper level guy going back to the days of the OSS when he worked for General Charles Thresher. Isn't that his name Thrasher Thresher or Thrasher And so it's it's very difficult to separate the CIA from any one of these guys, even the mercenaries Hall Howard Seymour. Those guys were all CIA back through inter penn which was funding funded by the CIA down in

no name key. So the CIA is completely entrenched. And then you can look at it from the angle that the CIA and the mafia has been working together forever, right, So the mafia guys, you could say, had some CIA contacts. That's the problem with the CIA. They're entrenched in everything. Like ever, it's hard to get away from it. So but people will often ask, did the CIA kill Kennedy or was it just a couple of rogue people within

the CIA. I'm sorry, but when those rogue people are the top guys in the whole agency, that's not a rogue operation' that's the CIA. Okay. If Dulles and Angleton and Weisner and all these guys were in on this, that is not a rogue operation. That is how the CIA operates. The players might have just been more closely connected to the top than they normally are when they pull operations, whereas like an officer out in the field will be making the decisions, you know what I mean.

But still I believe the again more plausible deniability. I think a bulk of the decision making process was offloaded through the mechanism of permandex which permandecks, make no mistake about it, It's still CIA and Masad and Mafia and Corsican Mafia, and like permandex is like the proof that all these all these different organizations work together and they're like the center They're like the center of the wheel,

you know what I mean. Everything connects to them. And so that's why they have organizations like permandecks for more plausible deniability, to outsource the things that they can't do within the agency, things that might be illegal within the agency, they could offload to this shadowy corporation to make the decisions on and then they can maintain their plausible deniability. Right,

that's the name of the game. That's why the CIA does everything they do so they can maintain plausible deniability. That's why tradecraft even exists in the first place, you know. So, but yeah, they're entrenched in the whole thing. But you have to understand the overlapping interests because in nineteen sixty three, at that point in time, going back to World War Two, you have this relationship between the mafia, the CIA, and the Free Israeli Zionists, who all have the same interests.

At this point in time, they're all the same organization. Fundamentally, the mafia is more concerned about money in their own territory, but they got the gunmen ready to go, you know, you know what I mean. So when I hear people talk about like, oh, even the gunmen don't know who gave the order. That's BS, you know, that's BS. Like

I don't. I'll never buy that at all, because when I've come to understand too much about the mafia and their hitmen and how they operate, and they're not outsourcing to like nameless assassins on CIA payroll, you know what I mean. They got their guys in house, and that's how it was across the board. There's no outsourced assassins in this damn thing. So everybody's in an inner circle.

go on. But you know, I think what people fail to realize is that the assassination itself was only what eight point four seconds, So you can't really do a whole lot. You have to have that thing well coordinated I mean, the thing has to be just like you mentioned triangulation of fire earlier. You have to have that thing.

And you, as a former police officer, you know if somebody is planning to do the perfect crime, they are going to have that down to a t. And in eight point four seconds, that's quite clear what happened.

days leading up to the assassination. So there's a lot of little tidbits that would give us the idea that

they had thoroughly scope this thing out. Then you have the document involving Clara Flournoy Gay who was a client of g Ray Gills, who goes to Gill's office and she's there after the assassination and they're cleaning out David Ferry's desk, and she finds a piece of paper there on the desk that has like a street in the street has ELM written on it, and there's like a box which indicates a building, and that building had the

words VIP written in it. Right, So, that to me is another piece of evidence that would indicate that they had the area very well. They were very familiar with the area that they were going to. Right. We have two or three of these little pieces of data which would indicate they knew exactly what was going on, what they were going to do. And I think one of the biggest, one of the biggest conclusions I've drawn in regards to their activities is that I think they knew

there was an escape. They knew they had to blend in, and that's that they had to fire. And then instantly, like the statements of Ed Hoffman, the shooter fires, takes the rifle, throws it to the railroad man, and then he fixes his hat and just walks off casually. Right. So I think all of them were in that state of mind where they knew that's exactly what had to happen.

And then when you ended up going through all the documents, you'll find out that they ended up they ended up locating I had found five rifles in Daly Plaza that they had found that day, and then one of the guys in the research chap pointed out that one of the cops is walking out of the building with a Remington, so that's a sixth rifle. So they found a slew of rifles there in Daly Plaza. The guy's fired and if they couldn't didn't have someone to handle the rifle,

they just ditched it. And then they have the rifle that was traced back to Lauren Hall, the Johnson thirty six, which they There's no real clarification on how they found this rifle. The word on the street is that it was found the next day by the lawn crew, but I don't believe that because by the next day, the FBI had already contacted Richard Hathcock out in Los Angeles and he told him the whole backstory to the rifle and linked it to Jerry Hemming and Lauren Hall. Jerry Hemming,

I can't put anywhere near Deally Plaza. He might have just been in Miami, like he said. But Lauren Hall, on the other hand, place on the sixth floor right next to Lawrence Howard, and so they had all the information on that rifle the very next day. So yeah, they found a slower rifles that day, two probably three mausers, the Carkano, the Johnson, and then they end up taking an infield three to zero three off of Buell Fraser,

which I'm convinced they planted on Buell Fraser. And you know, I'm almost convinced that that rifle that they pulled off Bull Fraser was the actual rifle that shot Kennedy. And so I would love to find that rifle. My guys have tried to find that rifle. It's Dallas Police don't owe anything about.

oh my god. There are some sentences in there that are straight up copy paste from one statement to the next, statements like um, and the phrasing was very specific, and they say in almost all the statements, I did not see any strangers or anybody who did not work in the building present that day. Something along those lines is virtually copy paste in everyone's statement from within the book depository.

So this just a comment on the side. This set of statements of people who worked in the book Depository throughout all the different businesses. This is what really kind of gave me the first possible inclination that Oswald wasn't present in the book Depository and hadn't really worked at the book Depository at all. You'll find at least a half a dozen statements inside that collection where people are saying, I thought I might have seen him before, but he

wasn't there that day. I didn't see him that day. A bunch of people said they didn't see him that day. A bunch of people said they didn't see him ever until he was on television, and so I thought this was very unusual because when you work in a building like that. I've worked in an office building with a bunch of businesses that weren't the ones that I worked for, and after a while, you know, you all go to lunch at the same time. You just see everybody coming

and going at some point in time. So when I started to see witness statements that said that they didn't never see Oswald, I'm like, that's interesting, and that kind of gave me the idea to start looking and comparing statements and digging to see what proof do we actually have that Oswald was in the building that day. And you know what, to this very day, I'm still looking. I can't find any evidence that can't be easily explained away. So that's why I came to the conclusion that Oswald

hadn't stepp foot in that building. And then recently it was shared with me a video of the district Attorney Wade, and he's talking to the press and he tells the press that when Oswald was interviewed, he completely denied being in the building that day, and then to clarify. One of the reporters asked him, well, he does work here, right, and then Wade says, yes, but not that day, like that's what Oswald told him, that he wasn't there that day.

And I one hundred percent agree with that statement because we don't have any evidence that Oswald was there that day. We don't have a photograph, we don't have a video. And once you substitute Oswald for another person who was working as Oswald, it fills in all the gaps on the people who interacted with Allz over a couple of

weeks that he was allegedly there. So Yeah, it's a very interesting set of events that happened within the book Depository, and it's so my conclusions are so drastically different from the official story that I don't see how they could ever let anything out that's even remotely close to that.

you know. You know, And when you look at his quote unquote many press conferences that he had and he said he was a patsy, that's a legendary statement there. But you look at his by body language, just everything that he had. They don't have key transcripts to the interrogation too, which is very interesting. So you don't even you don't even right, Well, of course no, I don't. I wouldn't believe it either.

that Oswald said, that's missus pain station wagon. You leave her out of this. That statement in and of itself doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Once you realize that that Green Nash Rambler actually was a Green Nash Rambler, it wasn't the Pains station Wagon, then that statement doesn't make any sense. There's no reason that he ever would have said that. And we got that from Roger Craig. Roger Craig the same guy who said that there were three

shells underneath the window. Yet every single document surrounding the collection of those shells says there were two shells until the twenty seventh when that changes. So I don't know whether to believe Roger Craig about a damn thing, because he says somethings that like his statements in regards to when he believes he saw Oswald come running down from the slope gett into the Green National Rambler and leave his statements to me back my theory that it wasn't Oswald,

that it was William Seymour. But then he says he sees that guy inside the office and he says that stuff about missus pain, Like, none of that jives at all. So I don't know what Roger Craig's deal is, but he seems he seemed kind of on the up and up sometimes, you know, and they didn't kill him for no reason.

It was arrested and taken out the back, and then obviously Oswald himself was taken out the front. Now is it a possibility, and this is just a really low probability, is it a possibility at the Dallas PD that day that there was two Oswalts being interviewed that day or interrogated.

Bernie's hobby house. From there, less than five minutes later, we will then see the same person white T shirt inside the red Ford Falcon, which is owned by Igor Vaganov, and he's seen it mac Pate's garage, right, So that person got funneled out the back door given Igor Waganov's red Ford Falcon, and then he drives over by mac Pate's garage where he's probably just collecting himself because this is within five minutes of him being funneled out the

back door, so that would preclude him from being brought to the station for any kind of questioning. Now, kind of separate from your question, Robert Oswald was there that day at the station, and Robert Oswald could have possibly been mistaken for Lee, And I can tell you at some point in his life he went by the name Lee. So it doesn't really answer your question, but I'm very

suspicious of Robert Oswald at some point in time. I'm gonna I'm gonna do a big focus on him one of these days because it needs it.

Oswald is innocent. I believe that that he I just even said this earlier on my AX I said it was the biggest growth injustice in the almost American history and what happened that day because I believe he was innocent, you know, I mean, regardless of who it was that got arrested that day, right, But anyways, for the fact that Robert would go in and talk to his brother and make this Kakamami story talking about how his brother was all cocky about things. You know, there's two sides

of this, Corey. I mean, I would say that he wanted to protect his family, right, his his his wife and his kids. Right. I would think money would be a big factor protection things of that nature. To turn against your blood. But I got a major problem with that because that's gonna that lived with him for the rest of his life. I really believe that. I believe he screwed his brother over when it comes to I mean,

you didn't see him ever defend his brother whatsoever. So either there was some sort of like vitriol that was there. They didn't like each other whatsoever, and so he wasn't afraid to just throw him under the bus. And if that's the case, why was he only one of the few people that went to visit Oswald when he was there jailed that weekend?

of the whole book, you know. But Robert Oswald is duplicitous in as far as he was most certainly involved. And if you've gone through Lee, Harvey Oswald and Black and White, he was clearly involved in the dual Oswald scheme going back to probably nineteen forty five. So that means that Robert Oswald has never been honest about the

life of Lee Harvey Oswald. Ever, his warrant commissioned testimony is a must read because he almost spills the beans several times on contradictions in Oswald's early life inadvertently, and so he's not somebody that can be trusted at all. Period the depths of which he was involved in Oswald's setup, I don't know, but I have a feeling that most certainly he was at some point in time.

We do have Clay Shaw going and looking for Oswald after he had moved back to Fort Worth at Lillian Morett's house, so and we know that Oswald did stay there for some time, both Oswald's believe it or not, and so Lillian Morett's most certainly in on that scheme. But I believe the only evidence that I have of people who would have been handling or even interacting with

Oswald are Carrie Thornley and Clayshaw. I don't believe they ever would have let him around five point forty four Camp Street, which means then all the sightings of Oswald at five forty four Camp Street were Carrie Thornley, not Oswald. And so I don't believe that you're gonna have a central base of operations and then you're just gonna let the guy you're setting up come hang out with you all the time. It doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

So I don't think that he had anything to do with any of the stuff going on in New Orleans. Other than what he was told to do by carry Thornley, hence like the handing out the flyers and all that stuff. And then it makes more sense that Oswald was getting set up when you get into the letters that were sent to Vincent t Lee and the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. When you read those letters, it's clear that

they were not written by Oswald. One of them was even one of the letters sent on August first of sixty three, sent to Vincent t Lee, talks about the fight that Oswald gets into on the street and how he got jumped in all that stuff. Well that fight didn't happen till August ninth, So how was it talked about in an August first letter?

assassins come in the back door. You're going to take all the employees, get him to come out in front of the building so they can't see what's going on inside. You know, you're going to kill the power to the elevator so that nobody can screw up the escape of the assassin's coming down in the elevators. And and all this time you're just gonna let Lee Harvey Oswald wander around the building. Give me a break. That doesn't make any sense either.

unbelievable against its own people. They had their own mk lture and all that stuff, and they didn't have any constitution to restrict them from doing anything. Yet Vladimir Putin would never ever let any of that information ever get out, period because it would tarnish on an international scale Russian prestige. You know what I mean, maintaining a plausible deniability is the story is the whole game, you know.

those those those those files. And so the thing for me is that, you know, I look at all the files that came out, and sure you got an Underhill document there, you got the slush Ins, your memo, whatever, but those things were never going to be as you know, as our friend Jefferson Mortley likes to say, look for a fact pattern, not for a smoking gun. Okay, well yeah that's true. You're never going to find a smoking gun in any of these things.

I'll tell you what is good. I've been covering on my podcast this document we got from the Russians, which is it's not a no smoking guns or nothing, but it makes it very clear that they knew putting this thing on Oswald was bogus from the beginning. That's pretty apparent when you read that they call out the November ninth, nineteen sixty three letter to the Soviet embassy, which is

clearly they even called it out. They said it's either a forgery or an intentional provocation because Oswald talks about if he stayed in Mexico any longer, he'd have to use his real name, which is totally bonk. He doesn't have another real name, right, So the letter is written in such a manner to try to connect Oswald to the Soviets, and they call it out. And that's the best part of this whole Russian document. Other than that, the whole point of the Russian document is it's a

message to America. It's showing the parallels. You have to read between the lines on this one, but it's basically the Russians telling us, Hey, there's no need for us to repeat history. We don't have to have another Cuban

missile crisis all the thing. Like when you read through it and it talks about like it's a lot of Russian posturing around the funeral and stuff like that, but it's it's very very clear that they're trying to send us a message with this document, and that's that we really all just need to chill out, not repeat history, and we can all move forward. That's what I get

from reading this document. It has more to do with that than it does about the assassination but it does call out a lot of the stuff, you know, to them, it was pretty obvious in their internal communications back and forth between du Brennan, who was the ambassador and mccoyan, who was another one of these Russians. We have the internal communications pretty they know it was a conspiracy period. They're talking about it in terms of it was a conspiracy,

whether Oswald was involved or not. They knew it had more moving parts than what we were being told. So this Russian document I think was great, and it was not translated by the government, thank god, it was translated independently, So very good stuff there. It's the best document we've forgotten in a decade.

and I think that's why they sent him there. They sent a bunch of spies there just to do nothing, just to go and work and live. And he actually did bring back diagrams of like the radio factory and stuff like that, which is pretty interesting. But there is so much more that the Russians didn't give us. They have to have thousands upon thousands of other pages about just just their surveillance of him that they did not give us. And they downplay who he is big time.

And you have to think part of their downplaying him could be just political posturing, modern day political posturing, going along with the American official story as a nod to hey, we're your friend. You know, that's always a possibility to so. But they they called out from the jump from the time he got there, and they see they put it

in a different perspective. They said, from the first minutes that Oswald got there, he didn't even attempt to explore or enjoy Soviet culture or find out what Soviet life was like, or any of that stuff. He immediately went to the embassy and started to do all that stuff, which gave which tipped them off that he really didn't care about living in the Soviet Union. So it was, it was it was a new perspective on it that I hadn't heard.

this is not my quote, this is their quote. They said that Oswald Marina had gotten fed up and they decided to go or they wanted to go down to the Mexico City embassy to get a passport, passport to go to Cuba. Now that's ridiculous.

The notion that they would ever even consider giving him a visa is ridiculous. So to me, it's just part of a ridiculous story that they tried to paint him as this still in all the way up till October September October sixty three, still a radical communist dissident, which when you read everything about what Oswald said about the Soviet Union, once he got back, he didn't like it at all. He couldn't wait to get out of that place, right, So the very notion he would even attempt to go

back is ridiculous. Now, one thing that caught my attention was that the KGB they just they gloss over in this report why they let Marina leave, Because they don't let Soviet citizens leave married or not to an American. They don't care. And the fact that her uncle was KGB and they just let her go that doesn't make

any sense to me either. So they're hiding something there. Honestly, I think they knew exactly what Oswald was, They knew exactly who sent him over here, and sending Marina back was more like a middle finger to them, Oh, you're gonna send us a spy. Well, here's one two, right, Because how much time did they put into surveilling Marina after she got back, Well, we don't really know, but I guarantee it's a lot more than we're told they're just gonna let the niece of a KGB officer just

come into America and just everything's kosher. Yeah, I don't think so a lot. It's so much more to the story of Marina and Lee and their stay post June of sixty two that we don't know about. There has to be.

obviously are scrubbed. But that would just be fascinating to know if they had those lines tap prior to the assassination.

they couldn't hide. Those are the ones they couldn't hide. I promise you. This's probably a ton more contacts. They were probably all kinds of entrenched in these people, you know what I mean. So here's another thing I can tell you with certainty. The Office of Naval Intelligence has a nine hundred and eighty six page file on Marguerite Oswald in nineteen sixty three, years before the assassination a year about six months after the well, no, it's about

a year after the defection. It was because it's from October, so about a year after the defection. They have almost one thousand pages on Margarite Oswald. That to me, the idea that they would have, that they would care, they would do so much research and digging and put together a file on Margarite Oswald just because she's the mother of Lee Harvey Oswald. But yet they had no contact with him when he gets back with his Russian defector wife, and they don't bug his phones and they don't have

any contact until Hosty bs. That whole story sounds totally bunk. I have a feeling that everybody was all kinds of up in Oswald's business, like ohn I, the Marine, g G two, like everybody Defense Intelligence Agency, because we know we have documents from them from the seventies. So I bet you all of these guys were all kinds of up unmonitoring Oswald. I wouldn't be surprised if there were cars parked outside his house watching them. I mean, I

bet it was. The surveillance was probably over the top, and they can't ever tell us that, you know, can they Oh, you watched the guy for a year and a half and he still killed the president. Like you know, it's just another just another piece of evidence against them. If they were so.

heard the phone calls with Richard Russell. Richard Russell's basically like, man, I do not want to be on the thing. I do not do want I don't want to be a part of this. And Johnson's like, well, you will do it. You got it, You're gonna do it, And uh.

going through their mail, you're you're heavily surveilling them. And then all of a sudden, like you just mentioned it perfectly a moment ago you said, you know, basically, but they didn't monitor him when he went to assassinate the president, you know what I mean, like it just you know. And and for the Loan gunman people that are out there, they they're they just they are that either super naive or they are just they're compromised in some way. I

just I can't. I honestly just can't. I don't see any other explanation, Corey.

it was just planted, you know. So just like the just like the Revolver, you know, the Revolver gets ends up at Railroad Express picked up from there. We don't Oswald's signature isn't on it. We don't know where, we don't know what. You know. It's like, it's obvious at this point that Oswald really was just being set up and just a very cursory examination of the evidence will show that. And so lone gunman people just I just they're in their own world.

You can get volume one on Amazon and then talk about just give a brief sypnosis of your inaugural book that you had written, which I you know, I I you mentioned a little bit at the top of the show, but I just want to get a little bit more perspective from you as the author to our audience about the first book, because the first book is just amazing.

And then I get into some very heavy character development on Jack Valenti, who I place as one of two shooters on the knoll along with David Ferry. And I think the proof in the putting of Jack Valenti's involvement in the assassination is in McIntyre photo number two. McIntyre photo number two to me depicts Jack Valenti and David Morales on the side of the Secret Service car that

to me was the icing on the cake. I had already done two years of research into Jack Valenti when I found that photograph, and I had already placed him anywhere but where he said he was. So I focus heavily on Jack Valenti. I have multiple chapters where I talk about Jack Valenti, and I do a whole chapter on his background and debunking his alibi, thoroughly, thoroughly debunking

his alibi. His alibi story is so stupid, it's impossible, and so yeah, and then I get into how some of the guys got out of Daily Plaza, and when I you know, in going through all the evidence and in writing the book, I still have zero evidence that Oswald was ever at the Book Depositor. And I believe that William Seymour was working there as Oswald, and he's

captured in the Robert Hughes film. You know, and once you put him with Lawrence Howard and the Green Nash Rambler, the whole series of events from the Book Depository leading into oak Cliff and ultimately their escape from Dallas on a CIA plane, that stuff all falls into place. So yes,

A Warning from History is available now on Amazon. I plan on probably by this time next year, I'll have my second edition out, which will be fully illustrated with documents and photographs and all that, so a multi volume set probably, Yeah.

actually pulled the triggers. And so that's the whole focus of the book.

to where you are now. I'm assuming because I've had talks with you off the air, and you your mind has been blown over and over and over by just how deep you've gone with certain things, especially with the doubles and all the other things that we'll talk about in upcoming interviews. But your perception of reality from what you know now versus back then, I'd like to hear about that.

covering up stuff. I have no idea, you know, but I trust everything that goes on less and less, and I know that decisions are made aren't made by the President or Congress or made by our intelligence community, and then they whatever, they backdoor their policies into our policies. So yeah, it's a scary world we live in. Wait, I look at it. I only got about twenty five years ago or so, so I gotta worry about it for too much.

Kirk thing. I mean, whether then they're they scrub the scene, whether the cameraman grabbing the camera on the back there, like I mean, that whole con that whole crime scene was contaminated.

and that was that's atrocious. That is absolutely unacceptable. Now, it's a tough situation having that many people there, but from the split second those shots were fired, you should have had no less than four to five cops at the location where he was shot, clearing everyone out. And that didn't happen. It didn't happen at all. Now, I can understand they weren't expecting this. No one is expecting

stuff like this, you know. So I understand they only had five or six of the Caampus cops there in the first place, but from knowing my knowledge of crime scene processing and handling and seeing what they did, oh my god, it's a travesty, complete travesty. Like to this day, I still don't know where that bullet came from because that whole that doesn't look like an entrance wound at all. So I don't know where the hell that bullet came from or what he was even shot by. And here's

another thing. If you're gonna set some if you're gonna they got to stop with this loan Patsy stuff, loan shooter patsy. They they should know everyone's a conspiracy theorist now and everybody wants a conspiracy, So you would think that they would set up a fake conspiracy to do something like this. They're not even smart enough to do that because they never changed the fucking playbook. Never, they're still running the Kennedy playbook. Give me a fucking break.

It's ridiculous, you know. And I've seen enough. I've seen enough video evidence to where they'll never get a conviction on this kid. Never like the pictures of him walking up the stairs with the backpack, like he's got a black backpack. The other photographs where he's walking in shorts, he's got a blue backpack. So what did he do his backpack change colors in midway? Give me a break, Like, the whole thing is the whole thing is messed.

the FBI really screwed this thing up. In my opinion, I believe they really they dropped the ball on this. And you know, I don't like the knock law enforcement. I mean, especially somebody for somebody like you, as a former you know, police officer. I don't like the knock law enforcement. But I mean I think that with the man running this whole deal, Cash Petel lying to us I feel like he's lying to us. I feel like

he's gaslighting us and lying it lying to us. And you're right, I don't think the kid is going to get convicted, But then again, I don't know if he's going to be alive to actually make it right.

would hide it from us even if they knew. Right, they're not even trying to pend it on like Venezuela or someplace they want to invade, which is also stupid, Like I see if I see so many missed opportunities in this dumb conspiracy. Really, I mean, so if I was if there was gonna pull out of conspiracy, I know exactly how to do it to make it seem like it was like a Venezuelan operative or something stupid. Right, Hell didn't Luna come out and safe? They thought China

was involved. I'm like, Jesus, shut up about China. China at assassinating people?

What are you doing? Well? You know, I mean, like, what do you want me to do?

Mary Farrell right now. They're not uploaded over at the end the National Archives. So I mean, I think there's a little bit of a I think what it is is, I think Jefferson Morley and his camp they want to have first access to this stuff, right and to get credit for this when I think it's just a really you know, it's it's a very low ball way of looking at things. It's a very narcissistic way of looking at things, and it's just you know, release it to

the National Archives. That's what it was meant to be meant to do. So, you know, yeah, and it's not you know, and I get where you're coming from about the documents and about how like people are complaining about, you know, they're not going to get anything from the documents. I totally get that. It's the premise of the whole thing.

I couldn't make a CIA connect there. But if we could make a CIA connection there, then there's your Ruth Pain connection right there, besides her parents.

they pulled at some point. And then you got to ask yourself, did they destroy documents? Is it in their style to destroy documents? And I don't know, I don't think. I don't know, I really don't know. I know the CIA destroys documents.

obviously that day has really screwed things up. For what's going on today, I mean, both sides are just completely in my mind clueless. I mean, like you got the Republican side, who I don't even know what's going on over there, and then you got to and then you got the Democratic side, who is off e motion. They're baseless on things. They are just delicate as a flower man.

I don't know. And that's why I'm not political. I sit from Afar and I just I gauge what's going on, and I'm like, yeah, I know that if this were Kennedy, right, Kennedy was actually the last president who was a president for me. And I think it's just I think our country was literally quasi destroyed that day.

that we've ever had before in this country. So now, are we getting rid of a deep state? No, I think it's just creation of a new deep state, but definitely a destruction of the old one, which is interesting. So it's uncertain times. I would say we're in very uncertain time.

just destroyed their largest funding mechanism. Crazy, crazy, how do you do that? But then still doesn't do everything that Israel wants you to do because they're also part of the same cabal, right, His actions are very contradictory. Trump's actions are very contradictory in as far as deep state kind of goes.

And you know, and if you look through throughout world history or not not world history, E see me US history, You'll see, like, you know, people that had heavy influence to that assassination, like all the way up until the late seventies or even the eighties. It's crazy. And then how you had everything tied I were on contra to even up to nine to eleven. It's crazy to me.

a pleasure. Thank you again for joining us tonight. And do you have any last words before we do take off tonight.