Part One: The Golden Age of Pirates & One Great Polycule of History

about it? Neither has s Okay, now you're lying. Now I'm now our audi. Do you want to start over? I tried very hard to not tell Miriam what this episode was about. Anyway, I'll just so, Miriam. Is it fun that every time I introduce you, I do so by saying Miriam and the rest of her crew once stole a tall ship and sailed off without their bosses permission because they weren't getting paid. Oh yeah, it's that's slightly inaccurate. We didn't sail off without the boss's permission.

We just started operating the boat on our own terms and getting paid in cash for it without involving the owners of the boat. But yeah, okay, okay, So Miriam wants to stole a tall ship, sailed it to a different continent and interrupted the transatlantic slave trade. That sounds years ago. So and our producers Sophie, Hi, Sophie, how are you? First of all, when you don't want me to tell Miriam something? You say, hey, don't tell Miriam something because I'm gonna blab to my friend right away.

And I'm terrible at lying solid of Miriam. Okay here, I'm remember a light of Beriam. So the reason that this was so hard for me to keep the secret is that Miriam is one of my main friends that I like send signal messages to throughout the week as I do research, like tittering about this or that great lesbian and history are, who are whatever? Like the stuff that I don't even necessarily include in the podcast. I

just get really excited about. I did enjoy being there live for your disappointment in last week's Last Week's Hero when you discovered that he was in fact terrible to his wife. Yeah, didn't anyway, So it was particularly hard. It was a struggle to not so what did we learn? What we're talking about it. From this experience, Magpie, don't trust people. If you need me to lie to somebody, tell me to lie. I wouldn't tell you to lie. I just would have told you to note on your

behalf if you asked me too, I appreciate it. If the if the cops come, Okay, so all right. What I have learned is to always assume that people want to talk to me about what you're about to tell us. We're going to talk about. Yeah, okay, So Ian as our audio engineer, and our music was written for us by one woman, high Ian Miriam. Have you ever heard about pirates pi rits. It looks like it's pronounced oh yeah, yeah no, Um. It took me a while. I looked up a bunch of videos, but how to pronounce it?

It's actually pirate. I like when they spell it with a y. That is actually the main source that. Yeah. Today we're going to talk about the golden age of piracy, which is means that this is another moral complexity week. They mostly weren't good people, no, not not particularly. They're um even the best of them could probably appear on different shows on this network, Like I gotta warn you, Um you know, as you know, I had a tall

ship period of my career. During that time, the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, like the first one was out, they were more of them were coming out. The I'm on a Boat song came out. During this time. It was it was time to be I have heard of pop culture from approximately fifteen years ago. Ow cool, I know what you put in the box. Anyway, The truth is I burned out hard on pirates, but that was about a decade ago, so I'm probably ready to give

pirates another try. Yeah you know, I did used to have to dress as a pirate at work, I'm sorry, and then interact with the public. Festival, I attended a pirate festival and do you know what band headlined that pirate festival. It was Blue Oyster Cult. And I have no idea why, but it fucking ruled. I think somebody, I think somebody who was booking like thought that they were a seafood themed band or something, but they absolutely

had lined a pirate festival. It fucking ruled. I think it's because boomers like pirates and boomers like Blue Oyster Cult could be I mean also like I also like Blue Oyster Cult. Yeah, and I could feelings about pirates songs by them, Well, mixed feelings is what we're going to talk about today. Today we are going to deconstruct the myth of the Golden Age pirates. We're going to take a part of the idea that they were good,

noble rebels because they weren't. We're going to talk about how these days they're romanticized for all the wrong reasons. But we're also going to talk about what's undeniably interesting about them and why they hold onto our cultural attention so much. And most importantly, we're gonna talk about the stuff that simple, well, that's not the most important. We're also gonna talk about the stff that they symbolize in

certain contexts. Most importantly, we're going to talk about literally the only two Golden Age pirate women we know about, a Bonnie and Mary Reid, who are maybe in a polycuel with a snappy dresser. Oh, they absolutely were. That is that. I will take no argument on that, but I'm really excited to gossip about it with you. Great. I'm sure that this podcast will talk about the non Golden Age pirates in the future, too, many of whom

were like substantially more interesting for a ton of reasons. Obviously, if for anyone who's interested in lady pirates, check out our fairly recent episodes where we talk about Grace O'Malley, the Irish pirate Queen. So, the Golden Age of piracy lasted from about sixteen ninety to seventeen twenty five, which is about thirty five years, which is not an incredibly

long period of time. The extra Golden Age the age in which all of the pirates that we talk about were active, which I'm going to call the platinum age, because that's the only thing I'd come up with in D and D that's worth more than gold. I guess it could be the like diamond, I don't know, whatever, I think we can call it the Pieces of eight Age. Okay, the Pieces of eight Age is seventeen fourteen to seven

twenty two, which is only eight years. All of this fucking culture is about something that lasted eight years, which seems ridiculous until you remember that's twice as long as the Confederacy. I really like that you are currently using Confederacy as like a unit of short periods of time. Yeah, the Confederacy lasted one person going to college. Ye a, the time, yeah, longer than I went to college, but

the normal the normal college length. And you know when you meet somebody who's like still incredibly stuck on those four years of their life and they suck, Oh my god, uh huh yep, I'm not gonna draw any conclusions. Yeah no, yeah, they're literally just so. The pirates were like master's degree. Wait, no, that's only two more years PhD, fast, fast PhD. They quick doctors. I wouldn't trust them to do much surgery.

But there's two problems with pirate history. The first problem is that everyone has really strong opinions about pirates and wants to claim them and sort of put them into this or that camp, so all the books are biased to shit or wants to reject them. But everyone feels

really strongly about pirates and therefore lies. The other problem is that everyone who talks about pirates is lying because we don't know shit about them, you know how, like most of what we know about the Norse gods, or about half of what you know about the Norse gods comes from this. Like Christian Icelandic writer who had been in a Christian country for hundreds of years, I like you that you say that as though I naturally would

know the provenance of nor Smiths. But I do know that most of what we know about Pirates came from a book that was probably written by the guy who wrote Robinson Crusoe, and that he made it the fuck up. Well, it actually probably wasn't written by him. We're going to get to that. Oh really, okay, I'm learning already, okay, but it was written by explain this stuff to me. I am, I am, I am. Hey, I once went

on a tall ship. You were sailing it. Yeah, So, okay, half of what we know about the Norse gods comes from this Icelandic Christian named Snorri, who is legitimately a historian. And I don't think he like totally lied, but it's why I think it's why all the like Norse Smiths sound like Christian Smith's retold you know anyway, Okay, as we mentioned, the other problem is that a professional novelist who wrote pop history wrote half of what we know

about pirates. And you should never trust a novelist who tries to tell you history. That's that's my statement right out the gate. Okay. So there is this British guy. I go to lead with that as the reason not to trust him. But his pen name is Captain Charles Johnson. He was almost certainly not a captain, but throw on that title and you'll sell more books. In sevent twenty four he comes out with a bestseller with a sick title, A general history of the robberies and murders of the

most notorious Pirates. Those were the fucking days when you're like, title alone had to like, would have taken up an entire tweet. Yeah, totally, Like if you need a fucking semicolon in your title, there isn't one in this, but you can imagine it, you know. And very importantly, this is pirates with a why God? Yes, yeah, And this is a companion of basically all the Pirates that people talk about now. And this was written with a incredible amount of artistic license. It sells like crazy. It's the

Eat Pray Love of the seventeen twenties. It starts this wave of people publishing They're like great highwaymen, great prostitutes, like like all these other books that didn't do as well, although I would happily read either of those other books. So Eat Pray Love is doing really well in the seventeen twenties. Within two years it's on its fourth edition. So he's like, hey, why not add more stuff, including,

at this point, entirely making things up whole cloth. And we know this because he made up an entire pirate whole cloth named Captain Mission, who's sort of a Republican anti pirate who flies a white flag with the word liberty on it, who's a dedicated abolitionist, and is clearly just a representation of the author's political opinions. At least that's it's kind of fun, though, I know, I mean

it insert a character who, yeah, espouses all your ideals. Wait, can we go back for a second, though, Why do I think that it was okay great in nineteen thirty two. It is like two hundred years later. There's this guy who's like, you know what this writing is like Daniel Dafoe. I think Daniel Dafoe wrote it, And he did a lot of research. He like presented a lot of evidence that the writing was very much like Niel Dafoe's in some ways and then completely unlike it in other ways.

And this convinced like all the libraries to start cataloging it under Daniel Dafoe, and it was like, but the thing is is, at this point it was like trendy to claim books were written by Daniel Dafoe. People he wrote a ton, right, he properly like a couple, like a couple decades after his death, like the sixteen nineties. He's been dead for like sixty years. They're like, we know of one hundred and one books this motherfucker wrote,

which is a lot of fucking books. Off the top of my head, Michael Morecock is the only guy I know it was written more than that. I'm sure there's more, but that's who I know writing more one hundred books, a lot of fucking books. By nineteen seventy, people were attributing five hundred and seventy books to Daniel Dafoe just because they were like, well, this guy was around, he

was prolific, he wrote everything. Basically, all anonymous texts from the early eighteenth century got attributed to Daniel Dafoe at some point because Okay, I think I literally have a

copy of that book him as the author. Fuck yeah, Okay, So so basically, like this guy writes like Daniel Dafoe seems to have practically meant while this guy writes like an early eighteenth century Englishman, right, Okay, so anyway, Also, I didn't do a ton of research about Daniel Dafoe, but he did add the duh to his name to sound more proper. He was originally Daniel Foe, which is a more hard name. He did an extra syllable in that name, you know, competing with all the long titles.

I know, but he didn't even put his name on half the books, or maybe put other people's names for no reason. Yeah, totally, It's more likely that it was written by this this media guy, um like a guy who ran a press and then did a lot of journalism and shit, but very like biased journalism that not necessarily a bad way. It was all, well, it's all journalism now too. But this guy named Nathaniel Missed who had a sick fucking name that is such a cool name.

That would be a great pirate name. It would be a great pirate name. And he was like a sailor and Indian ocean and shit. I didn't write this part into the script, so I'm riffing it. But from what I remember from Bratt reading him, and he ran a printing shop, that did a bunch of political journalism, so much to the point that he spent a couple of years in jail and eventually had to flee to France and ship because he was one of those guys who wanted the other Kings to be in charge instead of

the other Kings, the fucking Brits. There is a chance that he hired Dafoe because he occasionally hired Dafoe to write anonymously for his press, But I think it's the whole thing was like crafted to be a media bestseller and was written probably by the guy who ran the press. He might have gotten some help from some people. I don't know Dafoema had something to do with it, It's

not impossible, but whatever. The important thing here's the Book of Lies, or it's a book of best guesses mixed with outright lies, and it is the source for almost everything that we know about pirates. There's court records, and there's occasional eyewitness accounts of memoirs from people who are captured by pirates, but most of the mythology of pirates stems from this book, which is why rather than having

this episode. Besides, when we get to the polyculem. Most of this episode is not going to be like, here's a story about individual pirates. It's going to be talking about the golden age of piracy and what it means for the world, which is going to be fun. I didn't make that sound fun. It's gonna be fun, motherfuckers, I believe you. Yeah, yeah, say things loudly, people will all right. It all starts with this piece of shit named Columbus. I hate that guy. I know, well, he's

kind of famous. He's so famous. There's a city in Ohio named after him, which is weird when you think about it. Yeah, yeah, they were going to rename that. I feel like it's probably pretty low on the list of priorities, but a bigger promise to deal with, right yea, Ohio? Yeah, fair enough, although I'm probably as close to that horrible

train crashes as um Columbus is. But Christopher Columbus was this Italian guy who wasn't Italian because Italy didn't fucking exist, didn't speak Italian because Italian didn't fucking exist, And he sailed under the flag of Spain, except he didn't because Spain didn't fucking exist. Nothing that they tell you about any of the ship is fucking true. Like, but people didn't think the Earth was flat then either. Yeah, that's

the one that really bothers me. Yeah that yeah, so, I mean okay, Spain in practical sense had existed very recently, a couple decades, I think at this point, because the two kingdoms Castile and Aragon had like gotten hitched or their monarchs had. In fourteen ninety two, Columbus sailed under the flag of Castile, the same year that Spain became more officially Spain and immediately kicked out all the Jews and Muslims. Good job, Spain. Fuck you. We're not going

to talk about Columbus much. He has no redeeming qualities. He's a dick, and he's now in the bad place. I recently rewatched The Good Place. It's pretty good, so good. That's show is fucking great. You know, Columbus shows up on an island called Hispaniola, it's not what it was called before that. When he gets there, yeah, uh, Spain is like hell yeah, our Italian guy called DIBs. So this place is ours to the whole Caribbean, and this

last for one hundred and thirty years. They don't respect Europe. The Spain doesn't respect European peace treaties here. If you show up, Spain is gonna fucking stomp you. They have this line there is no peace beyond the line, or it is their motto, with the line being the line on the map, where they were like, sorry, we called DIBs on all the It's it's cool when you have a motto that requires a diagram to explain it. There

is no peace beyond the line. What are you talking about? Like, oh, sorry, yeah, totally, And then they pull out a globe because it would have been a globe, and then they m yeah, yeah. Then they're like, see we made this line. Yeah, oh finally I understand that sucks. Yeah, And so the European powers they were like, but we want to go rob enslave and colonize, but we can't because we can't set

up colonies. So what we're gonna do is rob the shit out of the Spanish that I take no issue with this, No, I actually honestly don't have a major problem with this as a basic concept. Their motive is not pure, but whatever, so they invent. But if colonizers are going to rob other colonizers, that's sort of like all right, yeah, yeah, So they do a bunch of ocean robbery, which unfortunately there's no word for except privateering, because they had the king's permission of this or that

king or queen or whatever, so it's technically privateering. You could argue about whether it counts as piracy. For the most part. For the show, we're going to for this episode, we're going to distinguish because I think this actually gets to what's really interesting about the Golden Age piracy, which we are not at is the difference between privateering, which is robbing people in the name of a king, and then pirating, which is robbing people in the name of

yourself and your friends. So in fifteen twenty, the French are like, all right, we're gonna go rob Spanish boats, and they're the first ones to get in on it. Within ten years, French privateers are sailing all the way to the Caribbean. At first, they're just robbing the Spanish as they come home, which just seems simpler, definitely easier. Yeah, but it's probably easier for the Spanish to like respond

with more guns. The annoying thing about robbing people is that like sometimes the people have guns also so they start going to the current Caribbean and robbing people there and it's a really easy job. It's really easy life. Everyone's really happy about the not the Spanish. So in fifteen fifty the English get involved and they call their guys the Sea Dogs. Shit, that is cool. I know, I know, it's really annoying, and that's cool, but it

is another guy with a fucking sick name. Francis Drake is the most famous of the Sea Dogs who because I liked taliing episodes together, but he's not an important part of this episode. He was involved in repelling the Spanish armada that caused Spanish sailors to land on Ireland as castaways, and then the Irish either killed them or secreted them to safety. And that's all on the Grace O'Malley episodes you can listen to if you want to

learn more about piracy in the English aisles. They probably don't like being called the Englis shelves on the west coast of that okay, around sixteen hundred. The Dutch, a little bit late, are like, oh, robbing Spanish ships in the Caribbean is easy and good, so they start doing it and they are enough to break Spanish power and you get your first non Spanish colonies in the area. Again completely lateral move, like I don't care more colonizers. Great,

But around this time you get something actually interesting. You get the buccaneers and what's now Haiti on Hispaniola. And I really like these early buccaneers, at least everything I've found about them, have you, I don't know when they're

like land googles. Yeah. The version that I have been taught in my in my own uh tall ship days is that there was a community people who are basically hanging out in what is now Haiti, and they were smoking meat to preserve it and sailing and selling it to other people who were sailing around so that they would have like preserved meat that they could you know, take with them across the ocean. And they were like just chilling and doing that, and buccaneer came from like

the local word for smoking meat, yep um. And then at some point Spain was like, hey, fuck you and wait, no, yeah, you're just getting ahead of the script. I'll excuse me for knowing things about pirates. Yeah, okay, I kind of set myself up for this is literally I don't know what and who were the Buccaneers and why? Well, I'm glad you asked Land displain it to me the first bucket of years. They're not pirates. Land displain it to mean is the best thing I've heard in a really

looked all right. Well, while everyone's having fun with this, no one else you could have fun with is gambling. I feel like that's the ad that ends up in all the fucking podcasts lately. Oh yeah, that sounds about right. There's it is. I just keep getting the gold one, which would actually be appropriate for a pirate episode. Oh my gosh, you're right. You're so right, and we are back. And I can't believe you said that about behind the Bastards. You know, I just say it like it is. Rob

I thought you and Robert were friends. Oh he thinks that. Hey, hey, carry on, Okay, so the first Buccaneers. I feel bad. I have to defend him. He's my partner, He's the best. Any I really like Robert having said anything, I know it. I was like, I was like, nope, that's it. Wasn't joke. This is the whole thing about this podcast is that we're all too earnest to take the bits too far because we're like, no, wait, don't do crime unless you

really want to, or like whatever. The bit is so buccaneers, right, not pirates at first. They don't live on the ocean, they don't steal shit. They've got a lot of what becomes the pirate culture. They're this like culture of rough and tumble folks who gets called like half civilized or half savage or whatever. A lot their outlaw frontiersmen who travel with no fixed home um in what's now called Haiti, and they build little sheds to hang their hammocks at

night when they need to. There's this quote, I found men who could never live in the bosom of ordered society, men who live for the moment, swaggerers, love of lovers of glory. Men sometimes cruel, often generous, but cowards never un Yeah, Like, I feel like that gets to some of the core of what's that kind of interesting about some of the stuff I'm gon be talking about. They're hunters. They live off the wild boar and the wild cattle.

As far as I can tell, there's definitely cattle, and I believe that they are wild from abandoned Spanish settlements basically that have now gone wild. I do like how anybody who was like not living in England, regularly attending church and like you know, saying God Save the King a lot was was considered like half civilized in all of these writings, Like that probably just meant that these guys like drank sometimes and didn't always wear shoes. I mean,

I don't know. It could mean they were they were doing crazier shit. It's hard to tell with these guys because like a lot of this, Yeah, there's all this like exaggerated stuff about you know, yeah, they didn't go to church, so they're clearly wild animals or whatever. But like there's a lot of story raise about them, like continuing to wear the pants that they do the slaughtering and all the time, so they're just like walking around in blood pants. Oh these are crust punks. Yeah, No,

they're crust punks. And they travel with no fixed home and they just lay their hammock where they want every night, and they only gather to like they like gather where the cattle are and ship the wild cattle. Like I actually feel like these folks were a step more a step culturally away from Western civilization. And yeah, that's that'll raise some eyebrows. Yeah, but at the same time a lot of whenever it's like and they were all sturdy

and filthy and stinky. That's like a classic like Western civilizations shouvinism thing to like make up as a lie about people. Also, so it's like share the blood pants thing I think is true, but I only like sixty seventy per think is true. But like, also, maybe they only had one pair of pants because I bet there wasn't a thriving textile industry at that time. Yeah, you know, like clothes are expensive back then, you had to hand

make everything. Maybe check your pants privilege, I know European writers. I mean also, they probably could have watched them. But it is a bunch of unmarried men except for the way in which they're married. But I'm gonna get to that in a second. Is it gay? You can't the audience can't see the eyes I'm making Margaret's Margaret's eyebrows just went on a journey. It's one of my favorite podcasting things. This podcasts. Who's to forget that podcasting is

just audio? And then then you're like, shit, this would be a great cue. I know. So this culture is what the word buccaneer means for the first half of the seventeenth century. And as you as you point out, buccaneer comes from the name for as best as I can tell, the small meat smoking shocks that they built to dry out the meat, a style that they learned from the carib people who are there. And the word

is an Arowack word, which is a language family. Then case you had some weird belief, not you, I wouldn't assume you have this, but audience a weird belief that indigenous people of the Americas didn't get around. This language family has speakers scattered throughout the Caribbean, Central and South America, including like deep as fuck in the Amazon Rainforest, including in Akra and what's now Brazil, which is where the last episode took place. And I just again like weird connections.

So you got these narrod wells. Most of them are French, there's some English, Dutch, and really lots of people arguing about this part. Indigenous and African folks who are living as buccaneers. Most started away started off as runaway bondsmen like people skipping out an indentured servitude, runaway slaves. Potentially that's like people like to argue about whether or not

account as a maroon society. Mutineers, deserters, ship direct people, sex workers, political exiles, just radicals basically just like all the cool people. Yeah, that's a fucking party as well. Yes, yeah, And like a lot of it is like it was all men except for all of these women who were sex working, and you're like, are you just discluding them? Is this like a no true scotsman thing or you're like, you know, it was all men, Like well, why there's

all these women around but they don't account. You could sum up a lot of history with it was all men except for all the women. Yeah. Yeah, and it was mostly men because of some stuff that will get to at least there was a lot of men only sections. There's a lot a lot of people arguing about whether

constituted marine society. The buccaneers later are notoriously also slavers, and I believe that many of these people probably also like owned people and claimed own people, But that doesn't actually preclude runaway slaves from having participated in I think it would preclude it from counting as a true maroon society. But anyway, everyone wants to prove that they're all like either super cool woke rebels or that they're all like slaving murderers. Um, so somewhere in the middle. I don't

know both extremes at the same time. Yeah, it's weird. I don't feel the need to like figure out whether they were good or bad. No, that's not that's not a thing I feel the need to do to like people who died three hundred years ago. Well, I appreciate it. Yeah, Like it's I don't know, it's a very weird impulse. Yeah. So if you're living in a way that you don't like on Haiti or at anywhere in the Caribbean, at this point, the awareness that these people exist gives you

a kind of out. There's a place you can go. You can go be a buccaneer and live in a live on the coast in a hut and eat your fill and call no man master. And they had a codified system of bromance called the Materilio littage system, which I do not know how to pronounce, in which two bros would get married, live together, share their possessions and income, name each other each other's air, et cetera, et cetera,

et cetera. Soay, no, definitely not. There's all these historians are like, no, we can prove that they're heterosexual men. And I am certain this was not always a sexual relationship. I am certain it was very often a sexual relationship.

I mean, heterosexual marriage. It's not always a sexual relationship either, Oh fucking right, okay, And like the main argument that they were not homosexuals was historians being like, nah, because they fucked ladies sometimes and sometimes they shared ladies to fuck as if gay as this like immutable straighter than you and your buddy having sex with the same person

at the same time, now I know. And it's just like and I think this is like one of the clearest examples of something that the historian Hugh who's come, who's been on the podcast before, talks about about how, you know, homosexuality and heterosexuality like didn't even get now I'm putting words in his mouth. I'm just going to go on my own, Rent, weren't even invented until the

end of the nineteenth century. Is like concepts, right, right, And so there's these acts that people do, and some people prefer certain acts and not other acts, right, But a lot of people are like, yeah, I prefer that

one act, but I'll do this other act. And we all know that's true, and you can look at any like, I mean, prison is the main example right now of like where you know the concepts of heterosexuality and homosexuality don't apply between men having sex or whatever, and it's certain contexts, and you know, it's this is shit that's been going on for fucking ever, but here they actually get fucking married. Well, and you know, like you were saying,

there's there's different kinds of acts. Some of them are legal and some of them are illegal, and you are describing a context in which there is no rule of law, right, So people who are into the acts that are not legal in places where there is rule of law probably going to be doing a lot more of those acts. Yeah, yeah, totally. The powers that be are really upset about out this, so they like write all of these things. I know they're like, could you please send more lady sex workers.

We're trying to stop the men from falling in love with each other. And I think the buccaneers during this period are the people that I'm like, no, but these people rule, I want to hang out with them. They've I mean, they've really got a good thing going on. They're like, wait, so all we need to do is keep fucking each other and you will just send more boatloads of sex workers to party with. Like that's what you're telling me? Oh, win win all around. Yeah, all right,

let's we're gonna go get married. No homo though, Like, yeah, this is just and I don't think they were like no homo, you know, don't. I think historians are trying to stick a no homo out to some homos, just like what they'll do, which some of them might have been if they were alive now heterosexual, I don't fucking care, you know. Yeah. So the Spanish they're like, we don't like all these people living free, so they decide to

fuck around. The finding out part comes later, and so they start murdering the ship out of all the wild boars and cows, trying to starve out the mostly peaceful outlaws. So the buccaneers and the cows get caught in the crossfire, which just seems unfair. It really is. I really hate the idea of like, I mean, this is a really common on throat history. It's like, I want to fuck with those people. So I'm gonna kill all the animals, like fuck you, I have a war, like an honest person,

I don't know, don't quote met. So the buccaneers, they're like they're already kind of fighty right, and they're like these like rough and tumble frontiersman and so they're like, well, we don't like being told what to do, so let's go steal shit now because we can't hunt, so let's just go rob people now. Buy boat and by sixteen fifty buccaneer I means someone who steals ships from boats by means of another boat. This isn't yet grand pirate

fleets at the beginning. It's like folks and canoe is rolling up on big boats but showing up a swords and pistols, being like, you know, you don't give me your shit. That'll work a lot of the time. It works well for the most of the time. Yeah, most people don't want to deal with that. Yeah, I don't want to deal with that. You put a collist in my face. You can have my purse. Yeah, that's a

honest exchange of yeah, I got nothing. Okay. This is the aforementioned finding out for the Spanish because like this actually likes it. This is why the United States of America se is like English. But the privateering culture that comes out of the Buccaneers breaks Spain, like breaks their hold on the New World. Whoa, So they really should have just left those cows the fuck alone. Yeah, you kill a cow, you lose a continent. Like I don't make the rules. I mean, you shouldn't have the continent

in the first place. Fuck you. But like so, the Buccaneers they take the island of Tortuga right off the coast, and they build a pirate island or a privateering island at this point, and this is way worse for the Spanish than having cross punks who hunt wild boor and are historically close friends. And they call themselves the Brethren of the Coast at this point, which is also a sick name. They drop articles, Yeah, they drop articles. A

constitution of sorts, a fairly democratic one. We're gonna talk more about, like pirate democracy in a little bit. Everything is cool and fine, I mean, within a certain context is cool and fine. The buccaneers have an island. They're doing their thing. They're robbing from the rich and giving to themselves. The only reason they're not the rich themselves is because they spend it as soon as they get it. Really, they are robbing the rich and then giving it to

the sex workers and bartenders. That seems good. They who actually seem like the real smartest pirates in all of it.

That's my takeaway from everything I've read. Okay, so yeah, no, set up a like I mean, this is like what people did during the gold Rush, right, Like, yeah, you're going to be doing much better if instead of going out and trying to like get money the dangerous but possibly lucrative way, you just like set up a bar nearby the people who are getting all the money, Yeah, which is even more effective because the pirates are actually

not doing it to get rich. They're doing it to like continue their lives of hedonism and fun like buy and large, and so they will like drop fucking six months wages in a night on like someone they think is cute. You know, they weren't living that beech bum

lifestyle because they wanted to get rich. Yeah, so they do go privateer at this point rather than pirates, and so they're they're like, you know, they're pirates, but they have a note from King Dad who says it's okay, that they're pirates as long as they only attack the Spanish,

and that's basically what all of them do. I always privateering was like each country kind of all against all the other countries, and there's like some of that, but by and large it's France, England and the Dutch versus the Spanish basically, okay, and I mean the Spanish privateers of course are not on that page. So the part that people don't like talking about this is that they're also slavers. At this point, most of them are European

and this whole brethren thing. It's like kind of the core of what philosophically is like interesting and fails about pirates is that they have this like they come up with all these ideals of liberty and stuff, but they apply to a certain in group and they don't apply it outside of that. And that's going to be a god that sucks. You know. That sounds like the thing that the people who wrote the Constitution, I know, I know, it's the different and it's like the pirates of the

chaotic evil and the founding fathers of the cat lawful evil. Yeah, just like, oh, we have this really cool set of ideas about how you know all people and then people stress next to people but they don't know how to phrase it any other way. The asterisk at the bottom is like people, and then there's an astras ask risk. Yeah, yeah, it's a winky face. It's just yeah, it's just a picture of a white man working. Yeah, totally. It's the only spot color on the like Cepia document that they

like use white. Um. So yeah, they keep slaves and they develop all this wild democracy shit and honor among thieves and solidarity, and their moral world only extends to certain people, to European men. Um, there's places and for different individuals that will talk about it extends beyond that. And it's actually funny. The next paragraph I have says compared to funding fathers or whatever, but well we already

did that. Sorry, no, no, no, no, this is really good. Um. Much like the Founding Fathers, they're also zealously protest didn't at this point, Wow, you're gonna finally talk about some Protestants on this podcast. Yeah, I never talk about religion. They're happy to attack the Spanish because the Spanish or Catholic, and they also really went around and killed all the like Catholic priests and monks and all that shit. But

here's where it gets complicated. In other stories that I tell on this show, people go around and kill all the Catholics because the Catholics are like stopping slavery. In this case, the Buccaneers are killing the Catholics because the Catholics are shitty to the indigenous people the islands, and the Buccaneers they don't quite extend their moral world to the indigenous people, right, They're not like in the in group, but there's a lot of overlap and solidarity and like

a lot of their rating tactics. I think this doesn't end up in the scripts, and I'm just gonna use

what I remember, so don't directly quote me. A lot of their like rating tactics and stuff come from I think the carib people in that area, like the literally like put a fuck ton of people in a canoe and you can do anything you want, and so like, and the buccaneer culture of course it gets its name from a caraboard and like like it's just this, like I don't know, it's interesting, yeah, I mean, and they had been living definitely living alongside of indigenous communities back

in Haiti. Yeah, other buccaneers were Catholic, mostly French crews, and they had their own priests and they kind of like stayed clear of the Protestants. I don't know how I've gotten so far in life and spent so much time on tall ships without anyone ever telling me they were pirate priests. I'm gonna need you to tell me more about that right now. Okay. I only know a little bit more about the pirate priests because so there's

two different things. There's the buccaneer priests and they, as far as I can tell, it's like the same way that you have a chaplain in your military. You know, you end up with a chaplain on this like because the privateers, in a weird way, they are an extension of the state, and so this is mostly inference. I only found a couple of cents is about the pirate priests, and then later I know a bunch of pirates, including Protestants in the proper Golden age, who um would like

try to get priests to come on board. Fucking um Black Bart Bartholomy Roberts. He's like the biggest Protestant asshole of all the fucking He doesn't like like drinking, and no one's allowed to gamble, and like all kinds of ship. Oh so now we have straight Edge in addition to crust punk. Yeah. Yeah, so he's the straight edge one. And he like really likes Protestant priests. I don't know if they're called priests though, I think they are asking the wrong person. Yeah, I don't know, all right, and

so I'm an expert. But he kept trying to be like, hey, come on, join my book, join my ship, joined my like merry crew, and all the priests are like, no, you're pirates. That's bad. Um. It's like but we don't drink. Yeah, and like all of his crew are like, we actually ship. Yeah, totally yeah. And he's like one of the most murderous of the fucking anyway. So it's sixteen fifty five. The English take Jamaica and they were sent by the veteran villain of the pod Oliver Cromwell, the guy who genocided

Ireland and deserves to only be remembered for that. You can hear about him in the Diggers and Leveler's episode. I just really like when I alt I say that. Every fucking time I say that, Okay, now you've got a real like I mean, I was going to call it the cool people extended Universe, but then I realized that it's actually our universe. History. Yeah, it's just history. But that's what I like about history is it is it's the it's the extended universe. It's the like the

way it all ties together. It's the grandest story ever told, and we're fucking characters in it. And so instead it is presented as this like weird, boring thing, and I'm like,

that's nonsense. There's all of these different factions fighting. Like That's part of why I like all the like religious shit is because I mean the same way if I'm talking about the nineteenth or twentieth century, I'm going to talk abou which communies were killing, which anarchists were killing, which capitalists were you know, like the ideological battle lines are really interesting, and in Renal Sons era, those battle

lines are religious. So in eighteen sixteen fifty five, the English take Jamaica and a bunch of the English buccaneers they leave Tortuga and they go over to join Jamaica, and so you kind of like lose a lot of the multiculturalism at this point, but you also get twice as many buccaneers strongholds, which are basically pirate islands, just all with the permission of the kings. It's like not quite as cool. But the romance system fades away, and

what fills it instead as products and services? Oh no, I know that's the worst exchange. It's okay. They can just press skip forward fifteen years and they'll they'll get out of that right away. Here's some ads. So the bromance system is fading away in the sixteen seventies, everything's going downhill as soon as they get letters from the king. It's just like everything's fucking getting boring. But don't worry.

Having a letter of mark is really like it's like being signed to a major record label, right, It's like your fucking sellout. I think it's okay to be signed a record Yeah no, I'm not. I mean, you know I'm not. Yeah no, I'm just trying to make a comparison. Actually, maybe that means the privateering. Like, I don't know, what would I think if I lived in Tortuga in the sixteen eighty I think it was really cute when all the boys were married to each other, I missed that. Yeah,

those are the days. I know, near the end of the seventeenth century, sixteen ninety or so, the government stopped endorsing privateering basically because it's too big of a nuisance they did there. It's there's a lot of fucking around finding out in this the buccaneers did. They're good, the privateers. They broke the Spanish monopoly in the area. So therefore, you know, you start getting settlements and all of this stuff, right and now though they don't want a siety full

of crazy, drunk agro guys. They want an orderly slave society of plantations. So the pirates, the buccaneer, the privateers, whatever they gotta go, which is to say, at this point earlier, the state needed the nomadic war machine. You ever heard of the nomadic war machine, Miriam, Well, I know of a band. There's a really good band, Nomadic

War Machine. Yeah. Yeah, because I can't talk about pirates, about talking about the nomadic war machine as a philosophical concept, which is why you're like, why did I listen to this another episode about Mary Reading and Bonnie and they're not talking about them, and said, because this is a different shit than you get on any other fucking podcast talking about them. Yeah, that's why you can listen to anybody be like and Bonnie and Mary read they were

girls but they were pirates. Who Yeah, and then like credulously read that book that talks about their upbringing. That's mazed just about titillation and lies. It don't get me wrong. It's amazing how all of the like period woodcuts of the time that show them are like, and they fought with their boobs out as one does. I know, well, okay, actually the first edition, I know that there's a yeah, I know the yeah yeah yeah, okay, well but the

audience doesn't the first edition ahead of ourselves. All right, fine, all right, you know, if you want to hear about their kids us, you're gonna have to wait first. You get a philosophy lesson is what you get when I just finished watching The Good Place. The Nomadic war Machine is a philosophical construct theorized by Delusing Quatari who or two French guys. They're anti authoritarian Marxists, and an interesting thing about them, nobody has ever managed to explain a

single one of their concepts to me successfully. Okay, so go for it. Well, the way that I learned this concept was reading about pirates a long time ago, and it's the only context that would have helped me understand it. There's a book called Life under the Black Flag by Gabriel Coon, which is one of the major sort for today, and it talks about essentially the philosophical ramifications of the

Golden Age of piracy. And it's how I anything I understand about, like Nietzsche and like Dionysianism and the Nomadic War Machine. All that shit is because I read this book as a like young crustpunk with blood pants. I didn't have blood pants. I had patched pants. They were covered in like dumpster juice instead of I'm really not making it better. Okay. So I like this concept enough that I named a band. My dark pop band is

called Nomadic War Machine. The idea is that the state wants everything to be orderly and controlled, and it wants sort of non conflict by creating like stratified society. So within this concept, which is not true right, but as a concept, you know, war, chaos and war are things that exist outside the state, but the state requires those things, so it basically hires it. It kind of it recuperates the raw chaotic energy of the non state force, which

is called the war machine. And so that's like the rough fucking idea. And so you can see this is what happened the Caribbean is you have the buccaneers there this like non state chaotic force that is really useful to the state, and then as soon as they are no longer useful to the state, they've broken the Spanish control, they're discarded. The nomadic concept part of it is a way to like fight against the recuperation or Okay, I'm getting this part wrong because I also don't understand to

losing Gutari. But I think that's what's cool about it, is it you use it as a starting point to make up your own bullshit. I strongly suspect nobody understands to lose it. Yeah, and that's why nobody has ever successfully explained it to me. It's not I'm not the dumb one. It's everything. Yeah, totally no. And so in this case, the nomadic part isn't necessarily actual wandering around,

but sort of a chaotic embrace of non stateness. But actual wandering around is really good for this, and so the pirates actually wander around quite a bit and are essentially this nomadic war machine. That's what happens with the pirates. Privateerian licenses get harder and harder to come by. First the Spanish killed all their pigs, and now the Dutch, French and English take away their license to rob. But they didn't go to go away, So what's left for

them to do but be pirates. Seems like it kind of backed them into a corner. I know, really brought that on yourself, buddy. Turns out you don't need anyone's permission to stick a gun in someone's face and say give me all your money. This is a new realization they suddenly all had by about sixteen nineties. I mean, if you're a privateer, you're just a pirate according to

everybody except one country. Yeah, so you're really just like subtracting one country from like the list you're you're just adding one country to the list of people who are mad at you. Yeah. But the differences ero and one as a big one, Like it took humans a long time to figure out, you know, the concept of zero, Like it's a very different thing than one. So theings get called like proper pirates or whatever. I don't know.

The English legal dictum from the eighteenth century was quote, a pirate is in a perpetual war with every individual in every state, Christian or Infidel. Pirates properly have no country, but by the nature of their guilt separate themselves and renounce on this matter the benefit of all lawful societies. They're doing that thing where they say a thing that they think is bad, but they make it sound cool

as fat. And that's why you have to You had to go to pirate themed bullshit in the twenty first century is because ye, but I got to see blue Oyster call, so it worked out. Yeah, four hundred years earlier, the English tried to make something sound bad and made it sound real cool. They are presented as a means of all mankind and villains of all nation, villains of all nations. And this is what's interesting about them, not their actual actions, which is mostly murder, rape, torturing, cruelty.

They're remembered by the left is nice, happy gay thieves who are chaotic good and presaged Western democracy. But realistically they're overall somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil. But they went to war against a lawful evil system and so the chaotic part is what's interesting. Not pretendially, I think you could make an argument for true neutral no, not a derailist. I'm fully on the page of believing that they are a representation of chaos. Okay, yeah, no,

I don't know. I mean, I just think there's like this element of like perpetual pure self interest where it's like, well, so you know there isn't that's what's interesting, Okay, go on. It will get to this more later. But they were really fraternal amongst each other and like essentially communistic in many many regards within their own culture. Not communistic isn't really the right word, because there's still like individual all right,

we'll get to it. So one of the things that makes them different from every other era of pirates and like because I was always like, as soon as I found out the golden Age of piracy was like eight years, I was like, I feel like I got ripped off. I was like, everyone talks about these motherfuckers, But there was literally about four thousand of them total, Like at any given time, there was like at the most peak, at any given moment, there'd be like two twenty five

hundred of them on the ocean. I've hung out with more people than that on a regular basis. I've been to protest with way more people than that. Right, there's probably more telship sailors. Now, Yeah, then there were pirates in the Golden Era, Like, so what makes them so different? And so for a while I was like mad, because it's like, there's pirates fucking everywhere all throughout history. Why

won't people shut the funk about these pirates? And a lot of it is like bullshit Western gays stuff, but not all of it. And so I want to talk about what makes the Golden Age pirates sort of different? It seems as though, and this is the premise of various you know pieces I've read. This is not like I'm so smart and I know everything, right, Most pirates in history have been part of a community, as sort

of almost like a rude coast guard, right. They've been like part of a bandit culture that is attached to a community. The Somali pirates, for example, got their modern start as literally like a lot of them call themselves as a gentleman who worked the ocean, which actually sounds

like the brethren of the coast to me. Yeah, that sounds exactly like some Golden Age of piracy ship, I know, and they attacked all the international fishing vessels that showed up to fucking their waters after the government stopped, you know, being able to enforce laws within the coastal waters. I'm not trying to make a statement about the ethics of the current development of the Somali pirates, right, but Golden age pirates weren't part of a specific broader community than that.

There's like, there are pirates ports, but it's a really different thing. Robert see Ritchie's way of distinguishing between these two types of piracy is, and I quote, one can be desfined as organized marauding, the other as anarchistic marauding. Many men were involved in both, yet a distinction can be made. Organized pirates remained attached to a port as their base of operation. Anarchistic marauding involved leaving behind the base of operation and wandering for months, even years at

a time. And I think that's how we end up with this, is this romanticization, is that they did something kind of different. So the core argument of Gabriel Coon's book, the one I learned about the Pneumatic war machine from, is really interesting. The argument is that pirates are worth thinking or cool, but not for the reasons that radicals claim. It's like this exploding head diagram, you know, my favorite

meme in the world. There's like pirates are cool because they live free fuck the law at the bottom, right, and then there's like, I mean they were murders and slavers on top of that, and then you go up to like, no, they were radically democratic and developed alternative societies outside the law and broke free from society's conceptions of race, gender, sex, and nationality, and that's like above that, and then above that you're like mostly no, not really,

they were mostly just murderous thieves. But then above it all is pirates are cool because he fucked the law, and it's a shame that they didn't apply their concepts of liberty outside just themselves in their bros. All right, that's my I'm listening. Yeah, okay, Well, then the golden Age of piracy actually starts in the Indian Ocean. I don't know if you knew this, Mirriams. You know, the ocean is really big and connects all of the world. Yeah, yeah,

it's bigger than most things. Yeah. Actually, yeah, congrats serious, always take Margaret serious the Golden Thanks. Thanks, It's terrible that I'll get you in trouble one day. Um. The Golden Age pirates went everywhere that trade went, routes went, and so even though their bases were often in the Caribbean, they were fucking everywhere. Two English privateer captains Henry every and Thomas two, they wind up going to the Indian Ocean and robbing whoever they want, including Brits, even though

they were British Supposedly. In sixteen ninety two, Thomas two told his crew quote that it was better to risk your life for plunder than for government. I mean that is going to be hard to argue with. No, I'm just I'm with him. Yeah, And they all captains and crew alike, and we'll talk about the how they split money more equitably than other systems. They all get richest ship for this. On its second trip, Thomas two dies. He gets shot in the belly because robbing people's a

really bad idea overall and kind of dangerous. You don't pick the career pirate because you're hoping to like rv around the country after retirement looking at birds in Yellowstone. I definitely associate that I don't remember like whose phrase this was, but a short life and a merry one is like one that pops up a lot in like writings about the about pirates of that era. Yeah, that

makes a lot of fucking sense. That is like probably a writer wrote it and not a pirate, but you know, I mean, you know, and it's like even when I'm like Thomas two said, and I'm like, I don't fucking know Thomas who said that, Like, was it like his ship's fucking chronicler who wrote it down? Like, yeah, I knew we weren't gonna like get super far without a

reference to our flag means death. But the one of the best things on that show is the fact that he has like a guy following him around writing down

cool stuff that he says. I know, I know. This is what I thought about when I said, yeah, a lot of pirates get their start by mutiny, and I haven't read about it, being like, um, it's not that they're like usually like, oh, we don't like following the law, let's be pirates instead their mutiny like we aren't getting paid, we aren't being fed, Like one of the pirates that I read about, like at their start because that mutiny, because the captain was like, no, I don't have any food,

but you can, like drink some rum. I don't care, and the pirates like, no, we want food, and so they like fucking killed the captain and became parrots. You know, if you, if you are ever in such a situation as this captain was saying to your you know, dissatisfied underlings, no you can't have any food, drink hard liquor on an empty stomach, and make a level headed decision here. That might not be your best call. It's it's the

let them eat cake. But if cake was like a thing that makes people angry historically let me eat let them eat violence juice. Yeah, totally. So they don't view the project as a way to get rich overall, but more as a way to live free. And also specifically a lot of them are very directly motivated by revenge against the system, specifically against the merchant captains who worked

sailors to death for work for fucking nothing. Pirates pretty often would capture ship and then just ask the crew of the ship like, hey, was this guy good to you? And if the crews like, nah, this guy sucked, they just fucking kill the captain. And if the captain they were like, yeah, he was all right, they might like not kill the captain. You know, it's a very good

incentive to be a less shitty boss exactly. That is actually one of the things I don't think has talked about is like the existence of this thing happening probably got a lot of fucking merchant captains to get their ship together. You know. Specifically, the way that they killed some of these merchant captains was to or at least one of them, wrap a rope around the captain's face and tighten it until his eyes popped out. Cool people are every episode I read at least two new torture

methods that they've never occurred to me. I rarely include them, but I don't know. Because this one's about bosses, I felt like including it. I mean, and I think it's probably good to remember that, like a lot of the stuff the people were going to be talking about are we're doing is like really just actually terrible. Yeah, And there's a lot of argument about exactly how murdery and rape and tortury the pirates were. There's absolutely a decent

amount of all three. There's like proof of all three, it's possible that they were intentionally spreading gossip about how horrible and mean and evil and terrible they were, so that to anyone who resisted, so that when they roll up on you, people are like, no, I don't want to resist, then we'll all get like tortured, right, Absolutely, you don't want the rumor about you to be like, oh, yeah, he's a chill guy. I hear, you can negotiate with him,

you know, but that's said. I actually think that they're like um later pirates kind of there's a they have this downward arc. Later get even more like violent, right, And I think they kind of like, you have to be both good cop and bad cup. You have to be able to be like, look, I don't want to torture the shit out of you. You could just give up, you know, you have to be known for some level of mercy two people who go along with you in

order to get away with being a robber. Like if every mugger shot the person that they stole from, people wouldn't give up their wallets to the person with a gun. They'd fight, you know. Yeah, I wonder if also there was like kind of a self fulfilling thing of like if you hype yourselves up as sadistic, violent assholes, one hundred years later people who are like, well, I'm a sadistic, violent asshole. I wonder if there's a way to monetize that might be more likely to go into the career

that you have created. Yeah, yeah, totally, totally. And different crews were absolutely known for different levels of all of this shit, And so it's it's possible that pirates lived in this like what can only be described as a horror movie world. Like it's possible that it was this fucking nightmare air, this like sadistic, strange horror thing with and some of them were absolutely bloodthirsty. One guy was

literally bloodthirsty. He was famous for hacking someone up with the cutlass and then licking the blood off of the cutlasts. A lot of them were cannibals, or at least presented themselves as cannibals through like grotesque acts in order to scare the shit out of everyone. But it's possible, and I think probable that overall they were exerting a lot less violence than the system that they were fighting against. And I don't know they're pirates they're not a peaceful bunch.

By sixteen ninety seven, do you have an I means sorry just I mean, oh no, when when you're talking about like all of these ships that they're attacking and robbing, these are ships carrying the wealth created by colonialists, like projects, like colonial projects, and all of these countries where it's slave labor right being exploited to extract resources from other people's countries. Like there is a whole mess of violence

happening before the pirates get their hands on this money. Yeah, no, exactly, and like and not just in a like these are the crazy violent ones in the state is like calmly violent, Like the state is also like torturing the shit out of everyone's like sadistic as fuck. Like this is not a fucking pretty time, none of which makes me want to hang out with seventeenth century pirates anymore then I previously did. I'm just sort of saying, like, yeah, in

the context is one of extreme violence, Yeah, totally. By sixteen ninety seven, you have an explosion of piracy. By seventeen hundred, pirates have a symbol for themselves, the fucking Jolly Roger, which is a black flag with various allegories for death on it, a skull and bones, hourglasses, bleeding hearts. When they were privateers, they all wanted to be upstanding and not seen as pirates like that was like they were always like, yeah, we're not pirates. This is a

big change. Now they're fucking proud, which leads to my argument that the first Pride flag was black and had a skeleton holding a spear and an hourglass. That's all I'm saying. Sometimes those flags could get absurdly intricate too.

There was one I don't remember whose this was. I used to definitely know this, but there's like a skeleton or maybe it's a guy but like holding a spear that is dripping blood, and he's standing over two skulls and the skulls are labeled like it's the country that they are, and it's like, yeah, my guy, you do not want to be a pirate. You want to draw

political cartoons like yeah, And that guy changed. I think it was Black Bart, who's not black, to be clear, None of the Goldench pirate captains or black some other crew are. We'll talk about that more, but yeah, no, that guy changes fucking flag like every fucking week too,

like because he's he's basically fucking Ben Garrison. I can't think of and Garson's way, I'm now maybe now I'm worried I got the name wrongs that that conservative weird like weird cartoonist who makes all of these like incredibly intricate political cartoons. Everything is labeled like the Downfall of the West or AOC you know. Yeah, No, and me not knowing the name of anything or anyone is not a symbol of it being obscure or wrong. It's a symbol of the if it's not literally written in front

of me. I don't know anyone's names, gotcha, but I think it was Bartholomi Robert who had that flag. But I remember reading about it being like this guy's a little much. And that's where we're gonna leave it today.

When we come back on Wednesday, we'll talk about pirates and that polycuele I'm like dangling in front of people, much like the seventeen twenty sixth edition of You were like, oh, when we get to Annibondi and Mary Read, we'll talk about how they did or did not have their boobs out all the time, Like we're gonna to tune in

in episode two. Yeah, the podcast that makes fun of how other people use things for titillating purposes and therefore basically plays into the same system that it's fighting against. I see what you're doing. See what you're doing, Margaret. Thanks, But but Miriam, what are you doing with your life or plugs or things that you want to tell people about. I'm gonna plug moderate amounts of vitamin C. Okay, you

don't need to go you know, overboard. Uh, you don't need to keel all yourself with vitamin C. Well, like, don't get scurvy, you know, eat an apple? All right, Sophie guiding the plug. No, not today. I'm gonna plug because I never plug my bands for some reason in this podcast. I have a band called Nomadic war Machine. Nomadic Warmachine dot bandcamp dot com has a bunch of albums. It's dark beep boops that go beep boop boop. And then I have a metal band called Feminasgal that does

not go whoop. Although you'll pretty quickly be able to tell that I'm a person who writes the drums for both. And that's what I have to plug. I'll talk to everyone on Wednesday when we're going to talk about pirate tits. Cool Cool People Who Did Cool Stuff is a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts on cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.