Conversations with Katie Austin

insight on all things health and wellness. So please welcome Katie Austin. Hi, Katie, Hello, thank you so much for coming on my podcast. I'm so excited. I was just when I was introwing you, I was like, so when I was like fifteen or sixteen, I had an app and Katie and I phoned the video. Do you remember that? I remember that. You're actually unlocking a memory for me right now, because I didn't remember it before. You just said that, like, I actually don't remember, and now I do.

It was so funny you came to my apartment. Yeah, that was your old place college. I know. I just grated from college and you came over and we cleared out the living room and we shot like how many workout videos. I don't know, but I remember I was super young and I had no idea what I was doing. Like I never worked out. I was probably what fourteen or fifteen? You were so young? Oh my god, so

crazy crazy. So we go way back. But for those um listening that don't know who you are, can you give like a little intro as to who you are and what you do? Yes? So long story short. Um, I am from Virginia. I went to USC and then after college, I became a sports broadcaster at Fox Sports West. Then um, the last like I would say three ish years, I've been really focusing on my fitness brand and being like more like a fitness personality and doing you know

more in homeworkouts especially that ramped everything up too. So I have my own app. It's called the Katie Austin App. I have over a hundred and seventy workout classes there. I have my own show called Austin a f I have my own um snapchat show too. It's a cooking show. So I do like I show like different recipes of the week, and then I just became a Sports Illustrated swimsuit model. So the issue comes out in a month. I think, I don't know if I'm lat today, but

it comes up. I'm really excited. Oh my god, I'm so proud of you. That's huge. Thank you. It's been a really really long process and it's like so kind of crazy to say, and I guess I'll officially be a rookie when it comes out. I already shot in Europe and in Montenegro, which was crazy. It's been the longest journey ever to get to be an s I.

I had to audition. I first audition in two thousand seventeen and then I don't remember seeing this, yeah, and then in two thousand and twenty, I auditioned again and it was a year and a half process and then I ended up winning, and so I am going to be in the magazine, which is crazy. That's insane. What's that process? Like? Did you? Did you do? They just host auditions and you go somewhere and then so basically they opened up to the public. Anyone online can join

if you like. That's the whole reason for swim Search. They opened it up to you know, everyone who doesn't have an agent, So for someone like me who is not a real model in quotes per se. So I auditioned online. I turned in my tape, I posted on Instagram, and then about six months later, I got a call back and there was twenty two thousand girls auditioning and

I got a call back. I think it was like two girls, and then it narrowed it down to thirteen girls and then um, yeah, it was a year and a half process and then I ended up winning it. And it's just been really wild, a lot of different like little things here and there, like little milestones of the year and a half, like I shot in Atlantic City and then I walked in Sports Illustrat and swim Suit runway show for Miami Swim Weeks, and then yeah,

I just kept doing like social stuff and yeah, it's crazy. Still, that's incredible. Congratulations, that's huge. I can't wait to see the photos. I haven't even seen them. They haven't sent you any No, I mean, I got one debut photo. But when I opened the magazine along with the rest of the public, is when I will find out what photos. Oh my god, they're gonna look amazing. So you've been into fitness obviously for a while because you grew up around it. Yes, So do you want to talk about

that a little bit? Yeah, I would love to. So I grew up honestly in the fitness industry. It sounds crazy, but since I was six weeks old, or you could even say like in the womb, because I was in my mom's pregnancy videos and so she was doing workout videos with me in her belly. So literally, I've been in the fitness industry forever. At my first workout video when I was like actually learning a choreograph routine was

when I was seven years old. I had to go through like so much practice to learn workouts, and so I've really been in the industry for a while because my mom Denny s Austin. But a lot of people listening to us right now will probably not know who she is because she is a lot longer than us

because we were so young. She was like in the eighties and nineties with like Jane Fonda, um and so basically she had her own show on ESPN for eleven years, Lifetime for about fifteen years, and um, so she has like the record for like most workout vhs is sold which is not possible these days. Obviously no one's gonna buy a VHS. So yeah, I'm in the industry for a while, but I never really thought about it as a career because it's just I don't know, you just

don't really think about it all. So you're like you're younger and stuff, and I don't really know how it happened in the fitness industry. And so I graduated college and thank goodness, like social media was a thing when I was graduating, and that's how I really got started. Did you go to school for fitness or did you just grow up around it? And then that's kind of like self taught. So honestly, I don't I didn't get

a actual like degree in college for fitness. I emphasized in health, but I am a certified group first personal trainer and stuff. And I also have you know, like my health degree um in a in a separate thing. But at the same time, like I went to USC for broadcast journalism and because I was athlete there. I was an athlete my entire life and it was just like very instilled in me from a young age. My dad's a professional athlete, my mom is, you know, a

fitness guru. My sister was never one of the nation for lacrosse, so we just come from a very athletic background. Yeah, so honestly, guys are built different. Being an athlete my whole entire life, you know, it was like I always had a coach training me and like really putting me through workouts, and my mom, obviously, um, you know, taught me everything I need to know about teaching workouts. And so when I graduated and I stopped playing lacrosse, it was like a really weird thing for me to not

work out with the coach anymore. And I really struggled, like, what the hell do I do in the gym? How do I work out at home? I don't really feel comfortable going to the gym because I always had a set routine of like my coach telling you what to do.

And so I decided, like other girls will probably feel the exact same way eight and so I just started creating workouts that and thank god, I've gotten better at them, because if you go back to like two thousands fifteen, and I'm prob, I'm sure I'm just on my app I don't know, I don't know. I think they're gone like, I don't know what happened to that app. I don't

know what company that was with. I don't remember anything about it, but I do remember doing some workout videos with you in your apartment and it was really fun. Um did you ever feel like because for me personally, it took me a while to get to a point which I feel like I just got to recently where it's like, oh my dog, Um, I just started to like enjoy working out where it's not a chore anymore.

And anytime I talked to my sister, she's like, I don't like working out because I have such a negative relationship with it because I correlated with losing weight and feeling like I'm not good enough and just anything in

that realm. And I kind of want to just like hear your advice to maybe somebody listening that like what was that mental switch or if you even ever had that, or maybe you did an you always loved it extremely relatable and for someone like me coming from an athlete, I actually didn't work out after I moved on from lacrosse. I didn't work out for like ten months because I was like, and I know this word sounds very extreme,

but it is really extreme. When you've been in a Division one sport and it's like every day at five am, it's traumatizing. I would work out till I threw up, and honestly, that's not good for anyone's body. I'd work out for four hours a day, and that was my entire life. Like middle school, I had run tests and lift test and I would max out lifting, and so I had a very bad relationship with working out because it was always training way too hard and so intimidating.

I would be an anxiety ball because I hated working out so much. And so once you find out that working out isn't about losing weight unless you want it to be, or working out isn't about training your absolute hardest, it doesn't need to be so intimidating. It's really just to make you feel you're like your best self, and also it's to boost your confidence. It's for your heart health. You know, going on a thirty minute walk is working out.

Doing a five minute at routine is working out. You don't need to work out for an hour every day a and max out lifting and push yourself to extreme limits. You know, some people aren't really built like that, and that is totally okay. It's all about working out for how you feel on the inside and not really working out to, you know, for the aesthetic or for training for something unless you are and to switch that mindset

takes a lot of time. So give yourself place, because it took me years to get out of the you know, the traumatized state, and I still to this day can't go to Barry's boot camp because it still reminds me of my practices and I'm like, hell no, not for me, because I don't really I don't really respond well. And I know I'm a trainer myself, but I don't really respond well to being yelled at to push myself to absolute extremes throwing up, and I don't think anyone should

if you're not really training for something. So um, it's just about switching the mindset to having fun. And I know that sounds so cliche, but it's true. It is true.

I feel like that is like the most important thing when you're working out or when you're trying to get into like a good routine, because I think always, at least for me, it's kind of hard to start, but once you're in it, you really do mentally feel so much better that it kind of becomes like an addiction where even it's like I don't push myself in the gym for over an hour, like I go when I walk on the trail for thirty minutes and I leave, and I'm like, and that's like perfect, and that's great,

and you actually, yeah, you brought up a really good point of like once you start, and I think that's the hardest thing is just starting. And so for me, I always lie to myself and I say, Okay, I'm just gonna do this for like five minutes, for ten minutes, and I lied to myself to get me motivated to

just start. And then once you're five ten minutes, and you're just gonna keep going because you realize that you're getting so much more positive, you're getting more energetic, you're feeling more confident, and you feel really good about doing it. So just not pushing yourself to places that you feel so intimidated by it right Sadly, these days, social media

effects body confidence crazy amounts um. Is this something that you've ever faced or learned to overcome or do you have like any special tips or are you still dealing with it like I am. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's very normal to especially in your teens in your twenties, to go through waves of confidence to some days you feel absolutely amazing some days or just not your best. And as females, we have a lot of hormones and mood switches, so that just in turn doesn't help us.

I will say for me, going back to like say my college days, it was really hard for me, especially after I graduated, because I had a different muscular body type, and then once you stop training, it's like, well, why do I have this? I want to fit in with like in quote l A girls and they're skinnier, and you have that like body image issue because you don't you're not training anymore, and then you're what do you like?

You're just hard to really um understand how your body is supposed to look and how you're supposed to work out afterwards, especially after college, and like what to do and figuring that all out and so to be honest, that was probably my hardest body image issues, and it takes a very very long time to figure out what's

right for you and your body. I will say, obviously, social media is the number one um harmful things you could do to yourself if you are having body comparison issues and stop comparing yourself to everyone aligne because it's first up, just like not real. And unfortunately, sometimes there are going to be, you know, always prettier girls than you, skinnier girls, fitter girls than You're smarter, there's always gonna

be someone smarter than you. And my mom always told me growing up growing up, like there's always gonna be somebody that's or something that's like better than what you're doing, or something that's a little bit more skilled, but nobody is you. That she would always say, like when I'm literally exactly what I was about to say, and it's so freaking true, but I will say it takes a lot a long time. I'm twenty eight now, so it

takes like a long time to really realize that. And I think that's the beauty of growing up because you start to a care less about what people think. You start to really just focus on yourself, and you also realize that those flaws you're so worried about are so natural, like cellulite for example, or like acne on your skin. It is so normal, It is so okaycent of women out there habit, and that's like the beauty of the female body too, and embracing all those things. Again it's

so cliche, but it's so freaking true. It's like cellulite is one of the reasons we can bear children because we have enough fat on our body to go through that. And so it's switching the perspective and realizing how grateful you are. I think, if you ever do go through those days, and obviously I do too, it's like switching

the perspective. It's like, get all social media, remind yourself what is amazing about you and why you're so grateful, Like anyone would kill to be in your shoes, right, And I also think that you have to remember guys,

it's like you're seeing everybody's best moments. And I always talk about this, but take it from somebody like me who puts out photos of their best moments and of the angles that look good and bikini photos of like a certain angle, because I'm like, oh, I look really cute in that, But if you saw the other ten photos that are after it, like I look like a normal human being because I'm not perfectly sat up with like my stomach sucked in and twisted a certain way.

Like it's so easy to think like, oh my god, she just looks perfect all the time when it's like, Nope, that went through severe angles and different types of like photo shoots, and like you have to remind yourself of that. Yeah, it's so true. Um. One thing that I love is you balance fun and health really really well. How important is balanced for you? And like a typical day in your life, what does it look like. Yeah, I think some people might be shocked at how much I balance

my life and indulge. I will say I'm really lucky in a sense that um genetics also play a really huge role that I'm able to um eat a lot of you know, unhealthy foods at the same time while enjoying my healthy foods. And I think it's all again, the word balance is so vague, but it's the truth of how I live my life. And it's like eating. My mom always said to like eat good eighty percent of the time and enjoy your treats and indulge twenty percent of the time, and life is meant to be lived.

I think you can still lose weight if you're trying to. I think you can still maintain your weight as well and still be really healthy by living life in moderation. And so living life in moderation means, you know, still having those moments where you want to eat chocolate at

night because you freaking can. And if you restrict yourself, if you don't let yourself eat what you want and intuitively eat, you're just gonna go to the opposite direction and start to binge and then feel really filthy about Yeah, And it's crazy how much it happens, because like, you just have to learn about you and your body. Like some people always say, like, oh, try internet, a fascinating

really helps for me. I cannot intermitte it fast because if I skip breakfast, I am eating ten times more dessert at night. And so you just learn how your body works, and that comes with growing up as well and trying different things out. Um, and once you learned that if you have a cheeseburger on a Tuesday night, it's not going to set you back a month or even a week where you are totally fine. You're human and to just not be so damn hard on yourself exactly.

And what's really funny actually is you just said the twenty rule, and that's a question I had written down for you was going to say, do you believe in that? Is that something you like live by? Because you know, people always there's all these different fads and diets and things that people should and shouldn't do, And that was a big one. But I think so like the overall messages moderation. And my mom always told me that growing up.

She's just like, not with food because she doesn't know anything about fitness and health, but just with like anything in life, she's like, yeah, everything a moderation, right, I mean a twenties a little strict. I would say, like what if one week you're like fifty or sixty, just know that you're human and it's not like a strict rule. I don't really believe in really strict rules or guidelines

or anything like that. I just think, you know, eating what makes you feel good, and looking at food is fuel, and not looking at is anything like, okay, so this has how many calories in this? Right here? It's looking at it and like, how will this feed and fuel my body? What nutrients is in this right now that it's going to either energize me or exhaust me or

what's good for me in this? And looking at it that way and like the antioxidants the vitamins in it, instead of like looking at it being like, okay, so that's thirty grams of carbs. Because also carbs are really good for you. Um, that is so weird. You just said that. You took the way I was gonna say. Can we please talk about carbs and how they aren't scary? They're not scary. I have a toast. They're good. Especially if you work out, you need carbs. I have a

piece of sour dough toast every single day. If you're gonna eat bread, I say, eat sour dough bread. I actually literally just had a piece of toast like ten minutes before this. You and I need it to Carbs are the one thing that like a leave me feeling very energized, um and be full for longer. At the same time, it's a fiber, and carbs really helped me feel full for longer. Whenever I go with like just having salad in a meal, I'm like, Okay, what's my

next meal? Like an hour brier. So don't restrict yourself because then you're just going to you know, do the opposite of what you wanted to do. In the end exactly.

I'm so with you on that because people that are scared of carbs, I'm like, I don't get it, because if I have a salad, just what you said, I'm eating snacks on snacks on snacks right after not even like an hour, like I'm right after into my country, like which obviously a salad sometimes it's great and I love it, but like every like if you're so terrified of it, I feel like it can do the exact opposite effect of what you're trying to do. And also

like it's if you find healthy ones. Obviously we're not saying like every day if you're trying to get in maximum like best shape of your life having pizza and pasta and like but like rice and bread and all of that. I feel like people there's such a negative connotation just because it is a carb when it's like I eat that literally every day totally. I I fully, fully agree. And if you are the type of person who wants to, you know, obviously eat pasta because pasta

is not bad for you whatsoever. But there's always like little things you can do to make it a little bit healthier. I'm a huge believer and still eating like pizza and pasta, but doing little fixes and switches, so like in your pasta, maybe adding three vegetables or you know, switching it out for like chippy pasta, So like little things that you guys can still enjoy your life, but making sure you're still getting into nutrients. Right, Okay, switching

the topics from carbs and food. I want to get personal. You just moved in with your boyfriend. I did. Yes, Yes, how is that? I think this might be the first time I'm talking about it like on um an interview. But it's really great because have you ever been in a relationship where you are scheduling out when you can see them like constantly. Yeah, and it's not fun. It kind of takes like the fun and it's like kind

of stressful. It's like, okay, wait, so if we're hanging out on Tuesday, then I could do something with my friends on a Wednesday and then you go to town for a week. It's just like taking all that stress away of you know, like living together. It's just like we'll see each other. When we see each other, I will say, you hang out a lot less than you think you do. Like he goes to work every day he travels and stuff, and I do my own thing too, So it's really just like reduced stress in both of

our lives. We are on the same page about everything. And also you just get that point to your life where you know that it's time to move in with someone. And got to age seven and we were very much so in love and we bought a house together. And it's kind of crazy because I feel so old. Um, I know, but I age. I age so much by living in this house with him. Because it's like the other day we're like looking for a lint roller. I'm like,

when did this happen? I was just partying at Warwick Wednesdays. Don't know what is going on. But so I was talking to somebody recently. Oh, we were like, oh my god, they just opened this smoothie shop down the street and we're like, it does that. We're excited about like a little random smoothie shop being opened. And we were talking about a vacuum and we were like me and my friends and we were like, oh my god, this vacuum is so good. We're like, this is this adulting. We're

excited over a vacuum? Was going on? Yeah, it's the little things, and I've truly what's some advice you have for people that are thinking about moving in with their significant other, Like anything you've learned from it learned is

space is definitely necessary and doing your own thing. And what I think about like living together is being so independent by still like doing your own thing and not fully basing your life off of someone else, because it's i mean, obviously when you're in love with someone too, you want to be with them, but also remember like your friends, your best friends are You're really really important to your family, your career, So like still doing things

that make you you and not coming fully dependent on the person um. And something also to like if you want to watch a different show, watch a different show, like do your own thing, go to that earlier if you want to. You don't have to do everything that your partner does. And that took a few months because we're just so excited to live together. And then I literally was like I want to go up and nine. He's like, well I want to go up to ten. I'm like, what the hell am I doing? Go upstairs,

go to sleep, right. It takes a little while to learn that, but still being independent is really important. Yeah, I feel like my thing. If I were to live with somebody like a significant other, the only thing I think that would really get on my nerves is if they were like really messy. Because when I lived with my sister, she is so messy and she would disagree with me, but I'm just gonna say she was the

messy one and I could not stand it. So props two couples that and I'm talking about my sister who's my blood, and I would be so annoyed to like, props to couples that lived together one's a mess because that's one thing I could not it's me. It's at least. Yeah, So my boyfriend is so clean to the point where I don't know how he does it. He's like very very cleanly, and I'm the messy one and he keeps me in check. Like that's our I think that's our

main problem. I'm messy. That's honestly good though, for you, because like, at least it doesn't bother you. You You don't know it bothers me that he bothers me to clean,

And I'm like, yeah, I probably should, I probably should. No, I get it, but yeah, you'll figure it out as time goes on what's next for you, like career goals, dreams obviously of Sports Illustrated coming out, which is crazy and huge, and do you have anything else that's like bucket list, So I would say Sports Illustrators at the top of the list right now, just in terms of like a career milestone, and it's like really cool to finally be a part of the family in the community

and like going to Sports Illustrators MS to launch and like being a part of all the day like the rookie debut which is really crazy. Um, kind of just celebrating little by little, like where I've come, how far I've come. Because I'm always the type of person to you know, my entire twenties, I basically would be like, what's next, What's next? How can I get further? Like

I'm not doing enough, I'm not working hard enough. I need to do this as this And to be honest, I'm finally at a place where I'm like, hey, you can chill out. You don't need to always think about like the next thing. You can be proud of yourself and celebrate the small winds and the milestones and look back how far you've come. Like my one year old self would be so proud of where I am today,

So taking a little flower of being patient. But also I love that starting um season two of my show Austin a f soon And honestly I really love Snapchat. Continuing on Snapchat, is I lost my Snapchat um obsession? Oh? I still like Snapchat my friends like privately, but I don't ever like I forgot. I think I still have a public Snapchat, but I don't know how to use it just basically repost everything that you do on Instagram to Snapchat. Do people still use Snapchat to you get views?

On Snapchat? I get about nine million impressions a day. So that's why I love Snapchat so much. It's it's like my child baby. And also there's so much money in Snapchat that people don't really understand. This is like my hidden secret because everyone's focusing on TikTok right, Like literally every creator is like, how can I grow on TikTok? And I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna go A path that I don't think a lot of people know about. Is Snapchat has the same type of like you know,

algorithm where new creators can be found. My friend post on Snapchat for the first time she got on exploring, she got two k views in a day for the first time ever. Because less creators are using it, so you always want to use a platform that less creators but the same amount of users. So you're still on Snapchat because you like to do it with your friends, but you're not a create If you're not creating anymore, you're not a creator. So there's still don't same amount

of users, but less create leaders. So if your creator out there, I highly suggested that's really really smart. Catch me posting all over Snapchat again, see on my pom on notre page, my spore page. But literally, I'm gonna have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm just gonna be trying it for whatever. But I love what you said about being patient because I really resonate with that,

especially right now. I feel like I've put so much pressure on myself, and I think so many young girls and boys as well that maybe follow us or here or watch our stuff. That um. Obviously, with social media, it's so easy to compare yourself, like we were talking about earlier, but it's so easy to be so hard on yourself if you feel like you're not doing enough. And I was taking a drive, like a long drive

by myself yesterday. I literally started talking out loud to myself and I was like, you're twenty two, Like you need to stop being so hard on yourself. You need to stop feeling like your world is over and that like everything up and you're never going to get anything back,

and like everything is done. Like you were doing great and you're you're kind to people, like that's what matters, and like continue doing that, and just like it's so hard to, like I think for so many people to that aren't even in this space but watch people in this space and want to be a part of it

and feel like so lost. And I just always want to remind people like we can relate to that to a certain degree too, because even though we're in this space that so many people dream of, we're humans and we're looking at other people that are further along and I'm like, well, damn, I'm not doing that, you know what I mean. So true, and I think feeling lost is a really relatable thing, especially in your twenties, because you go through so many different life moments and changes.

Your brain essentially changes as well. Your twenties, Your passions change. Some people might not know their passions or what they want to do as well. So, um, you know, in your twenties, your friend could be married. I have three friends married and pregnant and I'm just in a relationship.

Or you could be single and my best friend is dirty and single, And so you literally go through so many different stages of your life, and you also try to figure out who you, who your friends are still, what your passionate, what you really want out a career, and so don't be too hard in yourself because no one hasn't figured out and if they do, they are lying and they're lying and it's so Yeah, there's so

much pressure. I feel like also with people coming like around, I feel like my age demographic is around, like college kids or people that are just about to graduate, and that's a really frightening time. Um for you. Did you know when you were graduating, like this is what I wanted. I'm gonna like fully indulge in fitness now or were you like a little like to figure this out? Not at all? And I think it's absolutely absurd because I committed to my college and they were pressuring me at

age fifteen. How the heck, are you supposed to know what to do an age fifteen? Even people who are going to college at age eight teen, you don't even know who you are. You are literally so young, you have an entire life to live, and so taking that pressure off you is just so important because every single

person in the world is going through it too. And if you do know exactly what you're going to do with your life, congratulations, because you are the point zer zero zero one percent as well, like, how are you even supposed to know your major of college? Yet? These colleges make you decide your major, even which is absolutely insane. And so just to not be too hard on yourself and everything you do is for a reason. I truly believe that, like, everything you do will lead you to

somewhere that you need to be. Even if you think, like, oh my gosh, I did this in the last for two years and now I am switching my mind, I don't want to do this anymore. You did whatever that was that you disliked to find out that you didn't like it. So finding out what you don't like is just as important as finding out what you do like. Like For example, I always relate this back to my dad, because my dad has like a crazy story. He basically

was a professional tennis player. At age he was like, I don't want to be in and I don't want to be a professional athlete. You moore what I'm gonna do. Went to law school at twenty nine, graduated by like thirty three. Thirty three. He became a divorce lawyer and he like hated his life, and then became a criminal lawyer and he was like thirty eight, and he was thirty eight years old and still didn't have a passion.

And so after that he decided to get into representing tennis players, like combining his love for law and his tennis background. So again, you don't do anything in like in vain for no reason. And then from there became a basketball Asian and now he represents at age seventy years old, he represents the top basketball players in the entire world. And so I want to just like always say that because at twenty eight he didn't know what he was doing. He had just quit his sport that

he was doing his entire life. He graduated from law school at thirty three. Like it just happens for a reason, and when it makes me feel Yeah, that makes me feel so much better. Yeah, you're right, and he always reminds that to me too, which is so kind to him. Wow, that makes me feel really good actually, because I'm at a point in my life right now where I'm low key in my had just like what am I doing? Like figure it out? But it's okay, twenty eight. And

also you're gonna look back like I look back. I'm twenty eight now, and I look back at my toy two year old self and not that I like feel bad, but I feel so bad for myself for putting so much pressure on me. I feel so bad with myself for rushing things, and I just wish I gave myself more grace. So if you are younger than twenty five out there, give yourself grace, I mean yourself slat. Yeah totally. I want to end it on that note because I

really love that. So thank you so much for coming on my podcast and spinning out all this wisdom and great advice. And I know so many young girls and boys that listen are going to really benefit, so I appreciate you so much. Thank you, Thank you guys for listening, and thank Loia for having me on of course, is there anything else you want to plug, like your show, your Instagram? Yeah, sure, follow me on Instagram at Katie Austin.

I'm literally at Katie Austin on every platform, And if you guys want to follow me on Snapchat to go for it. I do recipes on there. Yeah. Thank you so much, Katie, Thanks Olivia. All right by most