Conversations with... a Life Coach

relate to this from COVID. For me, it was being on Dancing with the Stars and the pressure I felt. And um, so I have a very special guest who's also a life coach and hopefully we'll give me some insight so my hair grows back, which I just totally spoiled what's happening to me? But um, with that all being said, please welcome my amazing guest, Cherie. Hey, Hey, sure read Welcome to conversations. Oh it's so good to be with you woman. I've been looking forward to this.

I'm so excited genuinely because I need your guidance and help right now. I think I'm desperate. I got you so desperate. Um, well, how are you? First of all, so good, good, Yeah. Okay, So basically, for those that don't know Shari is a life coach, can you please explain to me what the hell a life coaches? Because

I have no idea. Okay, yes, And this is a great question because I even say before I tell people I'm a life coach that I'm a possibilitarian, so that people actually, yeah, but they get a hit of what that means. And I stand for all things possible. So a life coach is really here to help you have the sweet life, you know, the life you came here for. Okay, what type of stuff like do is that just kind

of looking at life like glass half full sort of vibe? Well, for sure, it's you know, if you believe that you are alive for a reason, which I do, and that you want certain things in this lifetime. I've studied my face off in life to learn how to make all those things happen, how to overcome obstacles, how not to stay stuck, how not to like you know, be at the mercy of your fears and your beliefs so that you don't have the greatest life You're here to have.

The thing that breaks my heart more than anything is to to see anyone not living the dream, not doing what they came here for, or to leave this planet with their music still in them, you know. And I feel like, especially with COVID, that's kind of what most have gone through recently of just feeling like so empty, just because it was such unprecedented times, like nobody really

knew what to do with themselves. And I feel so lucky during COVID in such a hard time that I I'm very blessed, and I don't feel like I can relate and I can relate to feeling like I'm stuck inside and I don't have that social interaction that's so key for humans. But you know, some people really had it so difficult and hard, and I feel like it's so hard to like bounce back and kind of just feel like things are still possible. I know. I think people really lost hope in the last couple of years.

And you know, when you think that you're just you can only do so much. You're stuck inside there all these rules and protocols, you know, it takes some creativity to really imagine more. And I think that that's where we are right now, is people are stressed and struggling to get back into the social scene, and it's it's rough, but I have a bigger understanding of why this all happened, and I think when you can put things in the

right framework, it helps a lot. I want to hear about that, and I also want to touch on you said stress. How much do you know about stress? Because I need your help. I need your help. So recently, I was on Dancing with the Stars. We just got eliminated. When I was on the show, it wasn't even getting eliminated that caused the stress. It was from being on the show and rehearsing and learning all the new dances

and the pressure of it. And I woke up one morning and I look in the mirror and I see a little little missing spot right in the center of my hairline, like right where my hair is parted. And I'm like, that's weird, Like whatever, it's not that noticeable. I still go out like it it's really tiny. I have lunch with my partner on the show VOW and he's like, what's going on right there? And I'm like, oh, you can notice that, Like I don't know it. Just like I woke up and a little patch of hair

was missing. He's like, yeah, I don't know. The next day, Um, I wake up and it literally happened overnight, the like the size of a penny and a hole in my like the center of my head was missing. Um of my hair, not my head, but the hair was missing. And Um, I was so freaked out. I was like hysterical because it was so obvious, and I thought I didn't know what it was. I was like, am I dying? Literally, I don't know what is happening. So then I went

to the doctor. I went to the dermatologist, and he told me that I have an autoimmune disease from stress called alopecia YEA, And I can understand that that definitely probably derived from doing the show and just the pressure

I felt. And then I thought back to two and a half years ago when I was going through some family stuff with everything that happened in the media and the whole college ordeal, and I had lost my eyebrow hair back then, and I never seen a doctor, Like just half my eyebrow was missing, But I was okay with it because I wasn't leaving my house anyway. I was like hiding, so I was fine with it. I was like, Okay, I'll just fill it in with a

little pencil. It's all good. But now I'm looking at this and my head is balding, and I'm like, oh, okay. I think also my alopecia must have flip air it up or something during that time too, and I just didn't know what it was. Yeah. So with all that being said, I have no idea what to do to calm my stress levels down, because even though I'm not on the show anymore, I think that I still carry that stress and just that feeling of being overwhelmed in my day to day life anyway. And I really would

like my hair to grow back. Yeah, And I'm sorry that you had to go through all of that. And I'm sure so many people listening know exactly where you are. They are struggling with that too. And it's so my belief that the body tells us everything. The body is the most intelligent part that we have, you know. I think our culture really respects our minds, and I'm much more about the heart and the body. I think if you put all three together, you're going to be set

for life. But the body is telling you something right, and the and the message is what Your hair is falling out and you're way too stressed. Yeah, it's it's your way too stressed, right, and it's telling you, can we please do something? Can we can we please do something to calm down, to have a sweeter existence? You know. It's it's like the body's intelligence is telling you, honey, this isn't what you're here for, right, So how do what do you? What are those next steps? Then to

be like, how do you fix that? Tell me this? What would you beyond just wanting to get the hair back? What would be the choice? Because I believe being calm or having a regulated nervous system is a choice. It's a practice, and I know I do it. I work on this a lot myself because we all we all have stress. Right. That's just this crazy modern world that

we live in. That's it's it's an overactive primal system that's telling us there's a tiger everywhere, and we're supposed to fight or flight or freeze or fall in and do all those trauma responses. But there are no tigers. There's just all this other stuff that you've probably learned a way of being safe by just amping up your

nervous system. You know, like I'll be really good, I'll perform really well if I get really stressed, and it's just something you've learned to do that you can you can say, I don't want to do this anymore because what I'm always working on with people is flow, you know, and high performance and a way of I mean, that's that's what we would say in the corporate world, you know, or in in the leadership realm. But for you and me, it's like, I just want to have a good life.

So my choice in working with the nervous system and in choosing calm is so that I can be my best self, so I can have access to intuition and superpowers and you know, be better lover mom human. So what would be the reason why, Like I imagine you're trying to become something I heard you talk a while back about wanting to give back. You know that there's passions that are coming up in you now that Dancing

with the Stars is complete. So choose why you would even want to learn a calmer way of being first, what's the big why? Well, I think for me specifically in terms of giving back, it's just it's just I had um. I think for me, it's always about like it's always been, even since I was younger, and my family has always been very like charitable, So I grew up with that kind of influence and seeing that, so

I just always had that passion. But I think also I got lost as like a young teenager and just was so consumed with my own life, which is embarrassing to admit because you don't want to be that person, especially when you have so many blessings. And so I think just I think it was just with age and growing up and obviously certain situations that shaped me to just I guess I didn't think of it as like I want a good response or good carm or I'm even doing this just for me, but it was more

so I just want to help others for them. I guess I didn't really think of myself during that, So I don't know what the big y would be. Well, I think there's something in this that you want to be a better helper for sure. If you want to cause impact, you got to do it from a really wise place, from a from a happy, joyful like I'll tell you my number one strategy and all the things that I do is joy because I think when that

is that is the highest vibration. You know, when you're in fear, you're in the cheapest seat in the house, and you don't have the kind of impact that you would want. You know, people will tune to joy before they'll tune to fear. Um, I think pleasure is a greater motivator in life, right, So if you want to have that impact, you want to be coming from that place.

But before I go into stress strategies, because we could talk for days about all the ways that you can manage that, because I just I think that's what that's the core of what I've studied my whole life is because I want to have this great life, you know, like not miss a single beat. But I want to ask you one more question because it will help lock in why you're going to do this as a practice.

If I gave you the world's biggest megaphone, like you have a super powerful microphone right now, you have an audience that is far and wide. But let's say we put you on the top of Everest and you could say to the whole world one thing that would would help them, something that you know that they would need to know. What would you say and don't overthink it. I'm totally overthinking it. Just what the first because I

know the first thing came to you. I think I would just I think this sounds so stupid, but I think I would say, like, you know, try and smile, like just try and be. Yeah, like try and find joy. I know, like times are tough, but like try and smile. And I guess that's kind of how I what I try and do. But sometimes it doesn't work. In your hair falls out. I know, I know. But here's the cool thing is that's why apparently we found each other because I'm a joy expert and i'm and that's my

number one strategy. If you're if your big message to the world is find joy, try and smile. That's who you are at your essence. That's the quickest way I can get to like who Olivia is at the heart that you are here to experience joy and you want that for others. So that's why your body is responding, maybe even more obviously than others, because that's what you're here for. That's what I'm here for. So for that reason, you have to practice not going to stress. It's no

longer your strategy. Your strategy for performance, for giving for life is now joy. And when you feel the stress, let's go through a few things because this will really help people. Have you heard of heart math? Okay, so check this out. You can put your hand on your heart. Okay. Everybody do this with us. Everybody do it with us, and I think we just keep doing it because here's what happens. You rub your heart in a circle. So Olivia and I are both doing this, and it's just

like a soft circular emotion over the heart. This is biochemically proven, scientifically evidence based. Two in three minutes, completely calm your nervous system. What uh huh? I wish I met you when I was on the show. I know, I know I have people doing this in like board meetings, you know, just like sorry, I'm not sorry, I'm just gonna rub my heart for a second, you know. But

you do this and you don't even have to. You could have all the thinking and all the stress and all the everything, but this will actually tell your nervous system there's no tiger. It's so cool. Wow, Why it's I think you know the we could look it up all the details and the evidence behind it show that somehow this is a soothing message to the nervous system in the same way that we use the breath. Right, so people can continue to do this. I mean, if

we do layer on this plus you know box breathing. No, I don't. Okay, let's do this with everybody. So we're gonna breathe in for four, hold for four, breathe out for four, and hold for four. And let's just do that one time. We'll go in one two three four, hold one two three four. Exhale one two three four, hold one two three four. Right, you would just do that for a series of reps. Maybe do it for the three minutes that you're doing this hard thing. I

don't know if this is placebo? Is this placebo? Or do I feel calmer? It works? I'm not kidding. I don't do anything that doesn't work. It's proven, silly me, It's totally proven. But doesn't it feel like, Oh my god, why isn't everybody doing this? Why aren't we teaching this in school? Wow? I hope that if anybody else just tried this, I wonder if you guys feel the same as me right now? This is really weird. Yeah, there's

another thing where you could say you know what. I want to go out there and dance like nobody's business. I want to do it from a really calm place. So let's say I do this before I even get on any of these calls podcasts. I take these deep breaths right where if you're in hell is shut than your exhale. Let's say you forget the four counts. If you just exhale longer than your inhale, and you do that a number of times. With the longer exhale, it

actually also tells your body that you're good. And then what you do is you scan your body from head to toe because the body doesn't lie, and you can go body check in, right. I want to I want to be safe. I want to tell my body that I'm safe. WHOA, I have a really fast heart beat right now. You know, my stomach is tight, my shoulders are up. You just notice. You notice what's going on, and then you know when we were stuck inside and

we didn't have this social connection, social distancing. It's like the worst thing for our nervous system in the entire world because for you to do that quick body check in and then turn to val or a friend, anybody that you love even get on the phone and say, wow, I just noticed that I'm really tight in my chest. And if you know the body, when you're tight in the chest, there's like there's responsibility and there's stress. Right,

if you're tied in the belly, you've got fear. There's all kinds of notes in the body that you can tune into what's going on for you. And then if you tell somebody even more so, it's going to calm you down. That's why we talk, right, It's why we talk, especially as girls, like we just get together and we talk it all out. We feel great. You tell somebody like I'm really nervous right now, and it makes it okay. Yeah, I feel that actually I do. Like, yeah, a good

venting session never hurts, it always helps. It's the best. I tell people. You should have a listening partner that every day for five minutes, you set the timer and you just vent. You just rant. That's like my sister, yeah, and then at the end, Sissy just goes, what do you need, babe, and you're good and then you take turns and that's like the most wonderful way to keep

the stress moving. So you know how you were just telling me like, let's say, like my natural instinct is to feel stressed out, and that's like something I need to change my perspective on. How do you is it doing stuff like rubbing my heart and breathing that puts me in that different mindset or what is one supposed

to actually physically do to like calm themselves. Well, those are some of the techniques, but we really I mean, I could give you lists and lists and lists, because I know there are so many different doorways to being this calmer force in the world which will really tune others. You'll become somebody who actually can walk into the room and you calm everybody around you. It's called coregulation, and

there's a whole theory of polyvagel theory around it. You know, where you can actually become a safe place forever everybody around you, which is a great way to help you know when you say you want to give back. So it's it looks like like when I'm doing my work, I could easily go to stress. It's such a quick, you know, primal instinctual thing for us to do, but I don't want to. I chose not to. If I'm supposed to be a force of joy on the planet. It doesn't make a lot of sense for my brand

to be showing up super stress to everything. So I'll pull myself out of the chair and I'll do a practice that would lead me back to a place of more piece and ease. Now I could be having the worst day I still have like people think me as like I have all this great energy that it's just easy for me. But it's a commitment. And so if I'm having a really rough day, you know, the quickest point from A to B for me to get back to a place of feeling good is laughter. And I

will also underscore this with science. There are two great humans at Stanford where I do work that just wrote a book called Humor Seriously, and they said, we are missing out on the power of laughter because as kids we laugh like, you know, hundreds of times a day, but as adults, like three or four is the average. And they found in their studies that about of laughter, get this is equal to the same biochemical effects of having meditated, slept, and had sex all at the same time. Stop,

no joke, no joke. What why are we not using humor as a strategy? I go on to TikTok to make my life work, you know what I'm saying. Wow, And I have the kids. I have a sixteen year old and eighteen year old. I'm like, send Mama some things like in charge of my laughter because I want to do great things in the world. Wow. I know, so fascinating, right. And I also heard once like when I was younger. I don't know if this is true,

but like laughing makes you live longer, to which problem somehow? Yeah. Well, and you've got to look into the blue zones because the blue zones are these places around the planet. They're like six of them, I think where people go um to forget to die. They live into their hundreds. And so they've been studying these blue zones to say why in the world. You know, they don't lose their hair,

they're they're super healthy. Is this like a mental blue zone? No, they're physical blue zones in Grease and California and Italy. It's like mind blowing. And so you know what their secret is. They it's diet. They definitely eat plant based so you don't take on the stress of animals, or

they eat some fish. But there's like this very simple, you know, healthy way of life, they drink wine, all these ways that you could sort of break down why they do so well, But you know what they say is the ultimate reason because of who they eat with. Mm hmm, you know, like the people you keep. Yeah,

it's so key. I used to talk about that a lot on my YouTube channel when I was a little bit younger, like, it's so much more effective to think of it like quality over quantity, especially when you're thinking of friends, or when even when I was younger and I'd be talking to girls around my age, so we're just like, I feel so left out or I want to be a part of this group, and I'm like I don't have that many friends, but the friends I do have, like they are such quality friends, and I

feel like that definitely affects how I live my life daily. If I had people around that were like, it's just it's the matter of that they give me energy instead of like draining energy. I think you failed at how many people are walking around in life doing all these

things that drain them. You know, to do an exercise where you just take stock and how you live your day and you go do these things that I do and these people that I hang out with give me energy or drain my energy and really make some choices, and your gut will tell you if it's draining energy, then it's time to rethink your friendships. Yeah, you check in with your body and if there's a tightness or there is an like an elevated kind of feeling, you'll

know why is it? Though? Because I feel like I can I see this a lot online too, and then in the past past in my life, Like, I can relate to this a little bit. But whether you're in a toxic friendship or a toxic relationship, then why is it so hard to get out of if your body is physically telling you from that like type feeling, or your brain is like or you're just that gut intuition where you're like, I know this isn't healthy, because I feel like a lot of people listening to this have

been or are in situations like that. And ask somebody who you know works with people all the time, like, what would you tell somebody in that case? Yeah, I mean COVID madd so that we had to be home with people that maybe weren't at all healthy for us, you know, caretaking for people who maybe didn't care to take for us or being in relationships where we saw

domestic violence go through the root. And I know that in some scenarios there are people listening where they can't make that change or they feel really helpless to make that change. And I would say in that case, there's such a huge need for a commitment to beyond self care. You know, we know all is self care in the world.

Everybody knows what we should be doing, but to this deep self love, you know, I think that's like the PhD level of of self care is to accepting what you've chosen for your life and loving yourself for the lesson, and that's bringing you. You know. I lived in an ashram when I was in my twenties with a guru who told me when people come to her and say I'm in the wrong relationship, I don't I don't know if I'm with the right person, She'd say, it's very simple.

Try to get away and if you can. If like it's you know, some people, their relationship just go poof and it's like the karma has done, you know, it's it's the lesson has been learned. If you're not And I am an expert at toxic relationships, I have chosen quite a few in my day, and I think it's because I had lessons to learn, I had stuff to process that this person was the perfect person to help me work out, you know, issues from childhood or issues

of self worth or whatever. And until I was ready to actually say I got it, you know, I was stuck in that relationship. Yeah. I think time is a huge thing, right. It's like you time and time again, if you give it enough time. If eventually, just as a human, you get sick of certain behaviors, whether maybe you're doing you're feeding into it too, or whatever the

situation might be. I feel like one thing that I would think to tell somebody, even though I have no professional background in this, so maybe don't listen to me, but I would say, you know, give yourself time to because sometimes you have those thoughts, at least for me, where I think like, oh, I can't do this, I can't be in this, and and I think about that for like months, and I stay in situations that I'm just not happy, and then I hit this realization that

I'm like, Okay, I'm just not happy. Whether it's like a friendship or an ex boyfriend or whatever it might be in somebody's case. It's like you have to give yourself time, but then once you know you're ready to let go, I just I highly suggest trying to let go. No, I think you're right. I think you'd be gentle with yourself. No one is really gentle with it. I'm not gentle with myself. I try very hard to be, but it's which is not our culture, you know. But if you

can be and then really ask for help. I think we've got so many great humans, Like I've got a village, you know, We've got therapists and healers, energy healers and tuitives, you know. Just some people think that all they've got is their doctor or their therapists. But there's a lot of other ways, you know, through all kinds of modes that you can reach out and say, I need perspective, I need you know, I need some more wisdom because we are not meant to do this by ourselves. Yeah,

it's so true. This is a little bit off topic, but not really. But it's just a question I'm genuinely curious about. Um, what would you tell somebody that's going through something really really tough at the time, you know they're going through something really hard, they don't see the light. And obviously you were talking about practices you can do to like calm your stress, but like what do you do if you feel just like genuinely hopeless and like

what is that next? And you know, and it's easier said than done for like me, where I can look around and be like, Okay, I'm gonna count my blessings and like really put into perspective on like what I'm harping on and what I should be focusing on that's going to bring me joy un happiness. But I feel like for so many that's so much harder when especially after COVID, when you're looking around and you just don't have much left. Yeah, what does one do? Well, let's

look at these formulas. I think this is like such a tangible way to to work with something that feels really probably out of control for some people are very esoteric. There's a formula for happiness that says your blueprint must equal your life conditions. So if we totally made it into a formula, be your BP equals your l C. And that means that if I'm you know, at this age, expecting that I should be experiencing something at this age, and I am and that's my reality. I'm gold, I'm happy.

That's the formula for happiness. That what I expect I should have I have, right if you don't have that equal and my blueprint is off because what I think I should have, Like I recently felt like I should have a love that I was waiting for this partner to show up forever and he hadn't come yet. It was like, I think I should have him, but he's

not here. So that's the formula for unhappiness. Interesting, that makes sense right right now, there's a formula for suffern which you just snailed when somebody is hopeless to change their blueprint does not equal their life conditions and they feel helpless to change it, totally stuck, powerless, which it's my belief, and this would be called an empowering belief, not a limiting belief. But I believe we're never totally stuck because I'm a possibilitary and I like I think

anything it's possible. So here's the way out. You have to change your blueprint or change your life conditions. Right, You either change the way you're looking at it, your expectations, or you change the reality. So let's say, for COVID, a lot of us thought this shouldn't be happening. What the hell is this? You know, this is a wreck, the world's falling apart, and and so that that made

us all feel quite hopeless. But my blueprint for it, in order to deal with it was, let me do a bunch of research and see what's actually going on. And there were stories from the great traditions that said this moment in time has been predicted for thousands of years, that an apocalyptic sort of moment was going to come and it was going to be the end of things as we know it. And I thought, oh god, that's

actually what we're going through. But it's not like end of the world like the way the movies showed us. It was an awakening, like a reset, great global awakening. Yeah, where our consciousness, our energy, the whole vibration of the planet, the human residence, everything is going up where we might just have the shot for a better world. Right, So, if that's our life conditions right now, we're wocked in and all this craziness is happening. But if that's my blueprint,

I'm good. Right, that's the way I see things, I know that good will come out of this. Somehow I see what you're saying. It now equals right. So instead of like harping on the situation and being like, oh my gosh, I lost my job, this is ruining my life, you change your mindset into saying like, okay, but if you look at this, this was coming and it's going to be a positive thing, and trust the universe and

the timing. Yeah, if I say that's my blueprint, I believe when people lose their jobs it's because something better is here. It's like the same thing around the relationship. You lose your relationship, it goes like that it means there's a better one coming. It's just the way I see that, because that's the way it always seems to work. When people get laid off, they get fired, they always say, holy cow, I didn't know what was coming. You know. I agree with that too, because I'm a huge believer

in manifestation. And I don't manifest enough to like really talk about it and preach about it. But I do really feel like when I focus or I think about something repeatedly, and it's like something I really want to happen, and I speak it into existence and I speak it out loud like it does come true. And I think it's kind of similar to what you're talking about right now. I think it kind of goes hand in hand, right Yeah. I mean, I'm telling you Ted Lasso, it's so good.

I love you, know how he has the sign believe. Yeah, that is literally the beginning of the whole manifestation process. Is if you believe in something full heart, like a whole body, like I know no plan B, I'm going to have this thing, you will have it because it sets into this whole motionless success cycle of being able to then tap into your potential and take some brave action and get results, and then the whole thing just keeps repeating where you just go, this is what I want.

And I think nobody is actually truly helpless at the end of the day. There's always a way. So I just think for anybody listening who feels really, really stuck, the secret is either you believe that there's something better coming, or if you don't believe it, just start taking action. Just tell someone you want something more in life, or make a brave call or send an email or take any action simplest action, and you get that whole loop going, you know, because things can't stay the same when you

take some action. That's so true. It's true. And then you go like, oh wow, I thought I was stuck, but I'm not. Things can't stay the same. Yeah, that is so so true. What are your thoughts on like doing like a vision board or like a journaling. Do you believe in like physically doing stuff like that too? All on? I believe that in all of our senses,

we have gateways to all the things. Right, So if you see something and you have a vision board and it's visual, like my, oh my god, my Pinterest boards, I love, you know, it's like those are visual anchors. Those are things that you know. Your subconscious mind responds to visual cues, two symbols, to colors, two stories. So you're feeding. You know. The only reason we actually ever get sort of like when we're in a bad situation and we know we shouldn't be, it's because our subconscious

mind is out of sync with our conscious mind. It's like we're at odds with each other. And there are all kinds of ways we can work with this, but you bring your subconscious mind up to speed by feeding it stories and visuals and colors and things like this. Your ears, you know, hearing stories, hearing stories of possibility. Right if you hear somebody else fell in love, you're like, oh, maybe I can't too. Maybe love is closer than I thought.

You know, you we we get we get juiced by hearing that other people have been able to do it, you know, unless you know, you could also be sort of blocked. And I think this happens on social media where you're like, well, good for her, you know, that's great for you, you know. But I think this is a reminder to take it as evidence that if it's possible for one of us, it's possible for all of us, because we're all human. That's such a great way of looking at it. And I think that's so helpful. I

don't even think of it that way. And I'm sure people on listening to this, or people that follow me or don't follow me, look at my page and think, oh, she's got it together. You wouldn't know. I'm balding at

the front of my head right now. You have no I would never post about that, even though I'm talking about it now, and it feels good to share it because I hope that it can help somebody, or it's relatable, or it's just like Okay, it really does show social media is not that realistic, and she's not showing all those like scary terrible moments where I'm face timing my mom scream crying like why am I balding and freaking out?

No kidding, I am. I am fifty one and I just started losing my hair because menopause, for God's sakes. So I'm with you, sugar, and there's there are some serious products out there that we can talk offline that work. It is a temporary situation for you and me, But I think I think it's like so brave to just share more. You know that we're all struggling, We're all in this. I have more insecurities that nobody would know about because I'm still working on getting braver sharing them

out there. But we're all in this together. Yeah, I so agree. And I think that's kind of the perfect note to end this on. And so I just cannot thank you enough Jarif for coming on here and talking to me and talking to them today. I feel like this was so helpful and definitely I'm so new at this still but by far one of my favorite podcasts I've recorded because I feel like it genuinely was so insightful. So thank you so so much. I'm so excited for you.

You're unnatural incredible podcast. Thank you, Thank you so much for coming on, and hopefully we'll have you again so we can talk more, because I could ask you like a trillion more questions anytime. Thank you so much. All right, thanks for listening, y'all,