Conversation Street Episode 650

Hello ducklings! Welcome to episode 650 of Conversation Street, the Coronation Street podcast with me, Gemma and me, Michael. Today we're talking about episode broadcast in the UK between the 14th and 18th of October, but some of those were broadcasts like 7 o'clock in the morning. I was going to ask you how you feel. I was talking about episode 11,387 to 11,391. Michael, come on. Well, we won into this now. I know. I was quite mad last

week as you know. I'm less mad now. I still wish they weren't doing it, but I'm not as seething as it was a week ago. So if you're looking forward to part two of Michael and you're not going to get it here, I think some people think I went on a little bit too long. Whenever I might, I think a lot of people appreciated it. Some people did it.

Anyway, I appreciate it. I like getting off my chest, but no, look. Right. I did get spoiled about the murder mystery, which I was very annoyed about, and I got spoiled about it during the day on Monday, because I saw somebody posted about it. However, I had also previously got spoiled about that last week unintentionally. So I wish that I'd gone into Monday's episode not knowing that Joel had been murdered, because that would have been brilliant, because

literally up in this time last week, I had no idea. But unfortunately, over the weekend, I saw some, because it was in the press last week. I don't really know why they decided to put that in the press last week, rather than leaving it as a prize. But that's neither here nor there. But I went into Monday morning thinking, oh, it's Joel's going to get murdered

this week, I wonder which day it is. And then during the day, I just happened to be flicking through Twitter, and I saw one thing that somebody who worked in the Metro had put up saying that there's a murder mystery, and then somebody had put it on the Coronation Street subreddit as well, like who's the murderer. Neither of those were completely spoilery. And, well, you know, they didn't say that it was Joel, but it was, I think it was kind of obvious.

Maybe they did, I don't know. But yeah, it did kind of semi-prove my point that it's good. Maybe people can't keep a lid on spoilers. I haven't seen anything since then. I haven't seen anything on Wednesday or Friday. But yeah, I was a bit p-duff by that. There's literally no incentive for people to not, not how. Sportsmanship. I think the difference with this, I suppose, you might argue, is that because it was all over the press. Presumably, it was on the so magazine covers for last week,

as well. It wasn't a spoil of a something that was previously not at all known from viewers. And I haven't seen anything spoiled about the flashbacks or anything like that, which is good. Right, but the thing about it is, though, is, does that mean that just nobody's ever going to talk about Corrie again? Well, no, I think quite a lot of the people who are super keen on talking about this are really good about Corrie on social media. Are also the people that have watched it

early. Are they going to watch it twice? Are they going to wait till 8? Who can really be bothered to watch something really early and then keep quiet about it until 8 o'clock? I think it's generally been agreed with like a non-overton-a-verbal agreement that we won't talk about it until 8 o'clock, but some people still will. Well, I will say, you know, the press do talk about it. Yeah, well, they definitely put those articles online

saying, oh, you'll never guess what happened or a new flashback drama. I didn't see any of that this week. So I'm still a bit annoyed by that, but not as mad. I mean, I wasn't expecting it to be spoilers left right and centre. And the fact that I did see one on the first day, so he sent me proof my point. As for the, you know, obviously my main bugbear last week was the incredibly entitled bugbear that I don't want people to see it before me.

I haven't been spending every waking moment of Monday, Wednesday and Friday this week thinking, oh, there are people that know what happened in tonight's Coronation Street, but I still kind of wish that we could all just find out together really partly because I want to, you know, it's not out of the ordinary, is it? To want to be the first to do something. That's why you have like book parties. You know, that's why we went to the Harry Potter

and the Deathly Hallows book party. You want to be one of the first to have that in our place. And there was that as well. And the whole time we were in the queue, I was freaking out because I remember watching that video. Perfectly. That guy was driving around and everyone spoilers and stuff. From the half-blood prince. Yeah, and although I thought it was hilarious. I know, I know. It was also very horrible. Only because we saw that video

once we dreaded half of the place. And really, and really mean. And I was just waiting. And the guy in front of us in the queue had the book open and he flipped to the final page. And I could see him doing it. I was like, if you say anything. I know. And our friend Sarah did. I was like, I know. Just always does that. And you know, you get midnight movie openings. There is definitely a thing about wanting to be among the first to see or

hear or experience something. And yeah, I'm not getting that with Coronation Street at the moment, which does make me a bit sad. Definitely on the plus side. And we did say that this would be a plus side. Two out of the three days, we've been able to watch it a little bit earlier. So it's just given us a bit more of an evening afterwards. Monday we couldn't, because that's when Rachel comes around. Our friend Rachel. So I'm watching.

You're watching movies. You're watching fun. Destination five with her. And then we watch Coronation Street. But I mean, today we're currently recording this. It's caught past seven in the evening. Two hours earlier than we. I know. I know. Two hours earlier than we usually would do. So it's got its pros, its cons. I still stand by my viewpoint that I really wish there hadn't done it. But I'm just not as mad about it now. And I'm

hoping in time I won't be mad about it at all. But I think I'm not going to be able to let it go completely. But I'm going to have to. Otherwise, I'll just become a bit of twisted old man. And who wants that? So that's how are you feeling? You asked me what I was feeling about it. How was the week been for you? There's definitely people that I'm not going to be able to follow anymore because they talk about stuff, you know, before I'm

ready to. Have you seen anything this week? Yeah, I've seen spoilers and it's not, I don't really like it. I find it annoying. So you've seen spoilers this week about what's happening? I keep thinking to myself, but I don't even know. I don't even know what we're both trying to be spoiler free anymore because I don't even think anyone has. Oh, they don't need to. Are we making our lives more difficult? No, we are the last. We are

we actually. I think we're hurting our the show this podcast. I think we're hurting our show by not being spoilers. And I've always had a voice thought that there's no audience for spoiler. Yes. But equally, I like to feel that we're kind of a place that people can go which is a safe space. And I know we've accidentally let a few spoilery things slip over the years. Not many. I'm going to say over the 12 years. And I think it would definitely

be upsetting for our good quality of our audience if we talked about spoilers. There's no way I want to change it. And also, I don't like to know too much about what's going to happen. No, I've seen spoilers here and there, but I wouldn't want to change it so that I read all the synopsis. No, I'm doing EastEnders. Yes, do the extenders for the real. Sorry, Rob. We're going to muscle in that territory. They care if I get it's for all that because I don't watch it. But then I should

do the podcast might be difficult. Exactly. Well, we won't do that. Don't worry. So that's been going on and on and on. The other thing that's been quite, quite overwhelming in my life this week is just how long I've stayed in the car because by golly, there's traffic problems in Southampton this week. And so it takes me, it's supposed to take me about 20, 25 minutes to get back from school. The longest it's taken me to get back from school

this week is two hours today. It was 45 minutes. And that was actually quite good. I can breathe through. It's basically, I don't know how and you know, how much. I was interested. They're really interested in this. I know that we don't have to split in two Southampton is by the river and there's three bridges you can get across. And the middle bridge is out of action. So the whole everywhere in the middle of Southampton is

absolutely gridlock from top to tail to tail. So yeah, I've been still getting home relatively late anyway. But I did have a chance today during my stay in traffic to listen to the latest episode of the Onesophia podcast, which is Jack P. Shepherd, Colson Smith and Ben Price's podcast. Because this was recommended by a couple of people on, yeah, I've done my listeners this week to watch this week's one because they were told that we were told

that they'll be talking about the cast photo. And we reported on this a couple of weeks ago and they had it, didn't they? But this week, the three of them were talking about it. And if you, if you don't watch on the so a listen sorry to on the soap of our cars, I'm going to say this to you as well, Gemma, you should listen to this episode. Because it's really, really fun. They spoke for about kind of say about 20 minutes about

the cast photo. And it was all about like the politics of who gets to go where, right? This is going to, this is like, I would be too scared to talk about that because there's so much potential for them to get in trouble. It was so fun. They kind of built up to it, talking about the fact that all the legends go on the front row. And then you got your second row kind of semi legends. Hopefully one day we'll make it onto the front on because I've

Bill Roach or if he's still there. And then the third row was kind of semi important characters. They literally were saying, if you're on the full fourth row or back, nobody. They're like, who is this person are you even on the show? It was quite funny. But I've probably a bit rude to the people who were on there. And yeah, they were talking about the fact that Jack P. Shepard did get the upgrade to the front row posse in this year's Curry cast photo

girl. So it's always like that. Yeah, apparently so. They said it was. And Colson says, well, I'm usually on the third row. And I think he was still on the third row this time. And one of like a really devastating way to like be put in your place. And that's what they were saying. They were saying literally we was all sitting there. The cast was sitting there waiting to be photographed just realizing that, you know, we saw ourselves on the pecking

order basically. And Jack was like, yeah, I'm on the front row. He didn't believe it at first because this is his first time. I wouldn't be involved. Why are they making them sit in certain places? It was like a school photo. It was like a school photo except when they were school photo is ranked. It was like a school photos rank. No, so it's so but ranked. I mean, it's like a school photo. If you went in order of what grade you got at your last exam.

Yeah, when we go get the school photographer because we also have our whole school photos every 60 years or so. And we have to get all the children lined up in height. It's kind of like that. But it's lined up in order of it. Yes. And he was talking about the fact that, you know, you had Mike LeVell and Sally Dinnervo and Barbara Knox on the front row. But they also made some reference to some characters who were not on the front row that thought they should be on the

front row. And he didn't have any names on that. And I'll leave it to the listeners to decide who that might be when the boat comes out. I know who he's talking about as well. And they also talked about there were some people on the front row that they said, well, I don't know whether they deserve to be on the front row. There was, well, there was kind of lots of people talking about some people on the front row that got there by default. I think they said. And I think I know

we're talking about there itself. But it was really, really juicy. You know, it made my long boring stationery drive back from school today. A lot more entertaining. Is the green room going to be a bit awkward? I wonder. The Ben Price was also saying, oh, yeah, we did one one time and I couldn't make it and they folks who shot me. Yeah. I do that. So which they're going to have to do with a couple of the other cast members that were there. One three people that weren't there by the looks of it.

They were because this is a big deal where it was this hasn't been done. This is a long way to do. Yeah, it was it was 10 years ago since they did it last but it was really fun. So, you know, you guys listening like podcasts and if you haven't listened, if you don't listen to On the Sofer and I never listened to it, I just listened to this one because I knew that they'd be talking about currently. I can't get on with it. I could be called on the sofa. I've been called to over cinema club.

I never thought about cinema. It wasn't about cinema. Anyway, go and listen to it. It's quite fun. They got good banter together those labs and it was so funny here and then talk about the pecking order at Coronate. Speaking of the podcast, Gemma, you got a little story about another podcast this week, haven't you? Oh, yeah, a couple of weeks ago I wrote into a podcast I listened to, which is called Page 7. What is this podcast? It's like a celebrity gossip. Okay.

A podcast and it's part of that last podcast network, which I've been listening to. You love last podcast on the left. Yeah, I've been listening to that. You've been listening to that and people wait no way before that because we... They've been going for a long time as a network because they've had loads of other ones. It's a conversation stream network. Well, yeah, I keep telling you and you won't listen to me.

Okay, go on. So I watched a show called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because they said it was interesting. So I... It was on a... Oh, yeah, you showed me when we began. But so I watched some of those and I came up with... They have this section called Do You Believe and it's a celebrity conspiracy theories and I wrote in a celebrity conspiracy theory about Mormon Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Yeah. And they read it out and we got a plug for the

plug guys. You did. You... Oh, you said that this is Gemma from the conversations with the plug guys. And they mentioned us twice. So there we go. And they called me Hemmer. Oh, yes, they did. I've got that. Yeah. Americans don't know. Americans don't know that. Apart from my lovely Americans that listen to this. I mean, we've heard Gemma quite a lot. I haven't weighed it, but you were full on Hemmer in this show. You're full name for a baby girl. I don't even know how you get Hemmer.

Well, because I was thinking about it like... I kind of think it was about the Gemma. Yeah, but that's about what the Gemma... I know, but I think that some people translate it into a J and then they don't know what to do with it. So funny. Well, I'm going to call you Hemmer from this point on with... I think it's... I have actually been called Hemmer in Starbucks because somebody wrote my name down as Hemmer. It's mind boggling to me because from where I see it, Gemma is not an uncommon name.

What is very popular name? I've known... I mean, I've known Gemma's on my life. That was a Gemma at my school and then I went to university and you were there now. So Gemma is as normal as a name as anything and I know that there aren't loads of them around. And obviously there's the Gemma on Coronation Street. They're not very many famous Gemmas. But you've got Gemma Chan, you've got Gemma Art... Art of Ten. Are you the most famous Gemma? No, they are both very famous.

Art of Ten. Yes, so there we go. I just find it quite amusing. I think it's funny that they're any names. Oh yeah, Gemma Chan. I'm even the most famous GC because you've took that. I've known... I've been GC in my whole life. Yeah, it's strange to me that there are names from Britain that Americans just don't recognise. I don't think we get that the other way around. We kind of... We know about Hank and Jamal and Homer and other American names like that. I don't

think we have problems. There are lots of unique American names out there. Yeah. Oh yeah, there are, there are. But I would like to say that I'd probably be able to have a good stab at pronouncing it. But anyway, come well down for your podcast for your shelter. I think you need to try that again. Did we get any new listeners? Are there any page seven listeners on here? Is it what you expected at the moment? We haven't even been better even mentioned this

with its Coronation Street yet. I am still so thrilled about it because Jackie and MJ said I was, they like to my conspiracy and they also, when he said it's a Coronation Street podcast, I think it's them doing it cool. I bet it is. You don't know what Coronation Street is. But it's cool. They're very nice and supportive. If you like celebrity stuff, listen to them, but please don't stop listening to us. Imagine if this worked better for them. Same with on the

sofa. Same with on the sofa. We're way around. Although on the sofa is only half an hour long. They've got the stamina like we have. We also did a special Patreon episode this week. Jimmy, they won't even our normal monthly Patreon because Gemma has been watching her scary films, Tis the month of October. For all patrons, even if you're down at Roy's Rolls-level, you can listen to a very special October spooky podcast episode where we talk about all the films

that Gemma's been watching this past month. If you like scary films and you're a bit sad that sofa cinema club is not a thing anymore, you can listen to our version. I'm the cullson of it because I have a very terrible tasting films and also haven't seen very many. Well, it goes along with our first horror movie special that we did a couple of years ago. I listened to that one last night and also listened to Oh, I'm back again. It's so funny to repeat ourselves. We talk about the same things.

Yeah, there's only so much that I can talk about horror films because I do love the genre. Oh, I love that one where that guy's buried alive. I always see him not so far out. It's the old song I've ever seen. You see that in both episodes. Well, if you're going to leave it two years in between episodes, you can't be expected to remember everything you said. And you also said, you saw movies except they got two policemen in the middle in both episodes, which is hilarious.

Well, there we go. That's what I think. At least some can exist. Well, this is the, yes. So patrons at all levels go and check that out. Hopefully the Beastro and no, Beastro tears now how to get it. It's the Roy's Rolls-Tere ones that don't usually get any audio contents. I hopefully are able to find that. I think we should start a new take called the Ninja tier where you I don't know what do you get for that. Why Ninja? Because

when you said Beastro, it just in my head auto completed to be straight Ninja. No, then look, we if you want one that's lower down the pecking order than Roy's Rolls, it's got to be something like in the back in the back of the cast photo. What? It's got to be an eatery, hasn't it? Something like Tyrone's burger van or Auntie Pam's bar. That's the free tier on Patreon. Okay, so finally before we move on and do our normal start, we have got a competition for you guys. Now this is a very

short competition because if you want to enter it, you have got until next Thursday. Next Thursday night in midnight is when this closes and it is for to win a copy of the Street of Lies book. Yes, that is right. So we talked about this at the beginning of last week's episode quite a bit. The new novel interactive novel by Abby Kemp. It's set in 1983. It's a choose your own adventure story. It's called an interactive novel. Yes, it says it on the cover. An official

coronation street interact with novel. What does it do to you if you do think do it? Well, that's just what attracted me. I don't know. Okay, I'm just interested in how what it's been doing. I've got my back. So we so the lovely folks at Optimus books, not only have they sent us a free one. They've got two to give away to listeners who want to enter our competition. So if you fancy getting yourself a free copy of this, all you need to do is email us by next Thursday,

next Thursday at midnight. What's the date next Thursday? The next Thursday is the 24th of October. 24th of October and you have to answer this question. It is. I haven't actually got this written down, so I'm going to make it up as I go along. This book right is set in 1983. There was a very special and famous love triangle in coronation street in 1983. My question is this, who were the three players involved? Who were three names in the 1983 famous Corey Love Triangle, the one at the

beginning of the air? You know, you know, don't you? It's an easy question. The beginning of the year. Right. Yeah. You know who we're talking about. Email us, conversational street at gmail.com, put competition and all whatever in the title. They'll find it. Just put bit competition. Book competition, but we'll let you through if you don't and tell us to the three character names were. 1983 famous love triangle. Yes, it's that one. You have got less than a week to do it,

so get tap on away. Do it now. Good luck. Right. That's all the things that I want to. The satan street at gmail. That is that is that is that's right. Gemma, quiz time please. Have you got a quiz for me this week? Yes, you do. I do because I wrote one earlier. What's up? Have you got your pen? I've got my pen. It's down here. Yeah. Right. So this is things that happened between the 14th and the 18th of October. That's all.

This from chronist street.fundome.com. Things happened in years ending in the 49th. Nice. 14th of October 1974. Who does May this fall for on holiday in Mallorca? Oh, I don't remember what they were called. Pablo. You're so close. Pablo. No. Pa. Pa. I don't know. Pedro. Pedro. Oh my gosh. Do I get half a month for that? That was just wrong. No, we were. That was just. No, you might just ask them. We're the same letter and go yeah. Starts with P, ends in a note. It's the same.

15th of October 2004. Why does Tracy leave care in McCarthy? Oh, I've got no idea. I didn't. I didn't. We just watched this. I remember. On the repeats as well. I barely remember they were together. Then they just been on. Something to do with Amy or Steve. No, I don't know. Can't remember. He told Penny King that he and Tracy were pulling a scam on. Oh, yes. Then he gave the money back. You're right. You're right. Well, this is this is them. They've got money. Yeah, for the restaurant.

Yeah. Okay. Fine. Come on. 16th of October 2009. On what anniversary does Tony Gordon decide to propose to Maria? Anniversary of Liam Colour Connor's death. Who was her husband? Yes. Yes. That wasn't part of the question. No, it wasn't part of the question. I was adding a bit of information. A bit of flair. 17th of October 2014. Peter takes the witness stand during which trial? Who killed Tina? Who's on trial? Who's on trial? There's not a trial to find out who killed Tina.

Is it? Yes. It's not. We've done it. It was quite probably. Carlos Trial. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Robst trial. No. No. No. No. No. Who's trial? His own trial. His own trial. Oh, what? He was a witness in his own trial. I knew what he was talking about. Fine. No points. Takes the witness stand. 18th of October 1989. A witness stand. If you're the one that's defendant, I call. I call hijinks on that question. But no, it doesn't matter. We all have him fun, aren't we?

What's next? 18th of October 1989. What was the shocking outcome of Adam Bradley's trial? Time served. He can walk away. Yeah. He's sentenced. Sentenced? It's not guilty in sentence, but he's allowed out because he spent time on remarks. Yes. Exciting stuff. It's shocking. Is that it? Yes. Congratulations. Two out of five. Oh, that was nothing to congratulate myself about, but it doesn't matter. Who has got a birthday coming up this week? Yeah, it was a dry patch of birthdays.

The coronation street needs to hire some new people to for the back row, who were born between the 19th and the 20th of October because nobody was born then. What? 23rd of October's Peter Armitage. He played Bill Webster and Anne Hully played Gwen Davis. And 25th of October is Brian Mills, who is the programme's longest serving and most most prolific director and John Mitchell played Carmen Rowe. Oh, yeah, that is a bit of a dry patch, isn't it? It is, but considering that, I think.

We've had a few goodies recently. I can't remember if it's September or October, which is the most the most populous populated month for that. I don't remember. It was Sarah Lancashire's 60th birthday this week. Did you see that? Well, I went to it. Yeah, it was a big deal. I'd be told that the happy holidays are amazing. Okay, so we have got a lot of talk about this week's coronation street. There's a who-done it and we've got some theories and ideas

and we're also pretty much in the dark. But let's get to it. Let's do street talk. Well, well, well, we are in the middle of a curry murder mystery. Very exciting. It feels like, you know, did I do these really often or rare? I mean, I suppose there was a bit of a murder mystery earlier this year except there just wasn't a murder in the end with Lauren.

You know, what's happened to her? I know it does feel like this has been the year of mysteries. I do wonder how much of it was influenced by the six last year and Corey saying, well, we can do our own mystery. I know, but it's weird to do it in the same story, isn't it? Well, I don't know whether it's poetic justice to Joel. If he was the instigator of the previous who-done it and now he's become a victim of his own, I think I like that. Well, it sounds quite nice. I still think he's alive.

He's alive somewhere. Now, he's definitely not alive somewhere. His body has been found floating in a river in a bag. I don't think there's going to be much getting out of that one, unfortunately. As for who did it, well, still don't really have a clue, but we will be sharing our theories later on once we've talked about it. So I don't have a whole load of great storyline titles for this week, but I'm quite pleased with my storyline title for Joel, which is Briefstown, which is a bit rude.

So Briefstown, that is Joel. I had a few others like Joel and a whole, except people are not in a whole who's in a river, and Joel to the death, which is like Joel to the death. No. No, no, no, that good. Even Briefstown isn't the best to be honest. No, I like Briefstown, that's funny. Thanks. Jesse Gail and House for Sale just come for a little rhyming one for what's going on in number eight. I love it. We also had a little bit more of the Toya Nix Lyans boyfriend story.

There wasn't a whole lot of that particular angle in there, but it seems that it's going to be going back there very, very soon. Again, I couldn't think of any other storyline title. We had a little bit more of the Paul over story with Paul Gemma and about three scenes of State with the Vapours well on Monday. You did take my, what did I say? I came up with an idea. Jermen Collier. Did you? Yeah. Oh, yeah. To sound like Melancholy. Jermemmon. Jermemmon. Jermemmon Collier. Jermemmon. Jermemmon.

I just can't okay. You can pronounce it with a H sometimes if that helps. State with a Vapours. State? Well, yeah. No. Briefstown. We're going to talk about that. I know, but you didn't say the last one. I said, did you? I was thinking about something else. I never said it. So, the murder mystery story then. As I said earlier in the podcast, I did go into Monday's sadly knowing that there was going to be

a real of a who-done-it. So I was quite excited about when it was going to appear in the episode. Can we just talk about quickly whether if Joel indeed is dead? He caught his dead. Why is it even brought up to, why do you mean? I'm allowed to say what I want. What do you think about killing him off if indeed he is dead? Um, surprise. When I found out about this last week when I, when I annoyingly saw it online, I was certainly shocked. I did not think we wouldn't be seeing him again.

You know, when we had, when we had that phone call with him in the car, I gosh, that must be, you know, three weeks away now. And then we got the cars discovered, and the two cars, the one in the field, the one by the viaduct, the following Monday. I thought, well, he's hidden out somewhere or this is just a ruse. He's parked it up somewhere. He's gone gone under cover, not under cover, gone under ground somewhere. Um, he would pop up again for a,

maybe a grand finale. I think we've been said that on the podcast that he's just, yeah, exactly. He's going to pull a feeling. He's going to pull a hillman. He's going to come up for a final blaze of glory. I mean, we haven't seen the last of him on the show. He even popped up in tonight's episode in the flashback. Yeah. But yeah, I, he's definitely dead and gone on the street now. And yeah, I, I, I, I'm disappointed. I kind of thought that he would probably be leaving. He,

he seemed to have a shelf life. Yeah. But I did not in any way predict it was going to turn into a murder mystery in the slightest. I thought it would be another case of, you know, I thought you might get killed off at the end because that seems to be all they can do for Coronation Street Villains these days. But, you know, you're lucky if you get banged up behind bars, but go on,

what's it? What do you think? I'm just, I just kind of, if he is indeed dead, I think that he, it was, it was a mistake to kid him off even though I do like murder mysteries. Obviously, this means now someone else is going to leave the show if it's somebody that is a character. If it's not a character, then it's a cop out. So you get two for one to get rid of two

people. Yeah, whoever it is is not going to get away with it. You know, you can't say, well, it was dispensing so justice, so we'll just give you a bit of a slap on the wrist and send you on your way. But he hasn't killed anybody, you know, I thought Joel might survive because mostly the time of villain will die because they're killed somebody. He certainly seems to have, you know, his crimes as horrific as they were. Yeah. So you do want the lesser side compared to

some Corrie Villains who've met their maker. If he did get in trouble for the pills, what would he have been charged with? Would it have been attempted murder? Well, I don't know. Well, he, he had his, he, he absconded from his plea hearing. Yeah, I don't remember what they said he was in trouble. I thought it was, I mean, really, he should, it should be attempted murder because he tried to kill a baby. Yeah, I think it was something along those lines. It was because Frankie had got sick,

do you remember? And there was like, oh, if Frankie dies now, then Joel will, then it will be attempted murder. Well, no, it would be murder. Or manslaughter or murder of the total. Oh, yes, of course, that's right. But yeah, I, you know, he was, he was, he was pretty, pretty callous. But I, I mean, it's not crime. No, exactly. You know, I, I do think that they kill off so villains, probably a little bit more after than it is, but it's often is quite fun, isn't it? I know,

they do it too much on Coronation Street. I really think it's, it's a bit boring now. But seeing somebody get tripped up in court and then taken down and just have the, you know, the doors closed on them in prison, that is, it's not a satisfying, but you know, they could come back to cause have a gill in it. I don't think I need Joel to come back. I do. I think it'd be great. I think, I don't know whether Dee Dee pretended to kill him because he's not really dead. I, I have enjoyed

him to an extent, but he's not up there with some of my favourite Curry villains. I'd rather, you know, I really would rather had Stephen had gone to prison. And I thought that his death was a little bit of a damp square being bumped by the, by Peter Barlow. I would have, I thought him coming back would be fab. I could have used the murder mystery for Stephen, to be honest. Yeah, yeah, maybe. But I'm not too first that, that Joel's, that Joel's gone forever.

Yeah. But does he, does your, does your love of murder mysteries kind of override that? It's hard to say. I am, I am really enjoying it. I am really enjoying it. Okay. If he'd given me the choice though, he would have said keep Joel and kill someone else off. Kill off, as a murder mystery. Kill off, kill off, kill off, swain, kill off, kill off, kill off, swain, solid partner. How's it in recently? What about

postello? Postello, yeah, I could have killed up postello. But then you wouldn't have the, the same fewer engagement. But that does lead into one of my kind of criticisms about it. The things that, oh, don't just quite sit with me is that many of the characters that are involved in this are ones that are kind of new and pretty much everyone's dispensable, I'm going to say.

I don't know. Out of the main players. If this had been, you know, the heart of the street, if it had been murder mystery of the plants, murder mystery of the ballas, murder mystery with the websters maybe, I think the stakes would have been a lot, lot higher than they are here. Because who have you got on your main cast? You got Dee Dee who, yes, is very popular at the moment, but she's only been on the show a few years and I think her popularity is partly down to

just how much they've used her this year. I think she's great, but I think that's... I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. You got Swain who's obviously got a recent surge in popularity, but absolutely dispensable. I would not want to be on the wrong side of those fans if you decide to kill off or make

Swain a murderer. Yeah, I know exactly. You got Ronnie, he could go. You got Ed, same, or I don't think Ed's really that much in the frame. You got Mason definitely dispensable. Who else we got? Betsy or all of these characters are ones...

Yeah, Kit, exactly. I've been saying for the last few months that one of my issues would carry this year is that this main story has revolved around characters that we just haven't got to know and love quite so much as the as the golden oldies yet and I and maybe that could have made it a bit better, but I'm still enjoying it and I think that the use of Flashback... How about Mason's brother? If his time's actually in... No, he's not. No, he's not. It'll be Pants.

Yeah, I'm slightly trepidacious in that's Curry's history with murder mysteries or just, you know, who's done it in general isn't always... The reveal isn't always as good as the build-up and the excitement to it, is it? You know, the classic is which of these characters has bumped off this villain or innocent person or whatever and then the reveal is it's none of them. You never guessed this, did you? It was Anne Malone that killed her son, not Anne Malone,

sorry, Anne Foster that killed her son, Frank. And like, yeah, we kind of guessed that and you didn't have it in any of your... So, my hope for him, one of my hopes for this story is it is actually one of the suspects that did it. Well, they're slowly putting together a photo of the suspects on social media aren't they? They've got a picture of the police station, Foye, and they're filling up the chairs and... Yeah, it's just got Mason and Ronnie in it, the money.

No, no, it's got D.D. and... I've not seen the updated one. Yeah, I don't know, I've not seen that at all. But I quite like that they're doing that, you know, superimposing all these characters into it. And obviously you got the flashback as the narrative device. How do you feel about the way that they're using flashbacks like two or two three-payer episode? Oh, hmm.

The two short, the two short, I don't know. They are very short and I think at the time, you know, when I'm when we're watching the flashbacks, I'm like, no, I want to know more, I want to know more. But I think the brevity is helping get them even more exciting because it's leaving me saying, show me more, show me more, that's kind of the reaction that they're probably wanting. They want you to say, I can't wait what's going to happen next. I can't want to keep on watching,

so I can get another little sliver of what happened on that night. And I guess it might eke out a little bit longer too. I've never been a huge fan, as you know, of the different editing techniques or the storytelling techniques with flashbacks, flash forwards, flash wherever. But I've surprised myself at how much I or how little this has bothered me. It was the opposite. It's now like, I can't wait to see the flashbacks. I never thought I'd see that about

Coronation Street, which for me has always been perfectly fine being linear. It just, it really, really works for me. I just wonder, like, are we going to just go through them one by one until every episode will have flashbacks until we are revealed who killed Joel? Well, maybe. It depends, is this story going to keep going every week now until the reveal? Yeah. Or is it, are we going to get, I don't know, three week burst of it and then it's going to go on the back

burn for a bit and then it's going to come again? I'll... And what's this building up to? Is there anything it's building up to like a time? Well, I think SuperSort Week hasn't happened this year. I don't think it's going to happen. I think they've finally broken free of those restrictions that they, you know, self-imposed restrictions. And this week, you know, it felt like a big-ish week, but it didn't feel like it was SuperSort Week and it was never advertised as SuperSort Week.

When we also had just recently Paul's death, the funeral, there's been a few weeks that could be argued as being big-ish weeks, but there isn't anything that's felt quite as big as SuperSort Week has done. Like, last year's with Stephen's death. That, even that was not as big as it has been, but it was definitely it. So no, I don't mean, I think the next thing that we're building up to is Christmas, I suppose, so maybe they'll string it out till then and it's only two months away.

But you're jumping done. But I kind of want to know already. I want to know now, but equally, I want it to be dragged out because I like putting the pieces together. I think it's, I think that side of it is hitting just right for me. It's, they're teasing. They're really, really keeping us on the edge of our seats with this. And I just wish that it, but more of the characters involved

were ones that I cared more about. I don't mind. I think they're quite fun. I wonder whether the end when we have the full photo, whether they'll, because they're putting it together bit by bit, which is quite clever. So I wonder whether they're going to not put the final person on, and when they do, that's the person who did it, or if they're going to go, here's your picture of all the suspects, and then it turns out it's not so many in the photo, but then they put him in the photo at

the last. Yeah, I really, really hope they don't do that. We had the, the Who Pushed Ken, didn't we, back in 2017, which turned out to be Daniel. And I remember there was a cast photo of all the suspects there with like feeling in the middle, and Adam was out to one side of it, and I'm pretty sure Daniel was on that, and it did turn out to be him. And I think when we got the reveal that it was Daniel,

we weren't expecting it on that day. It was when he, he takes the book, the bloody book that he's got underneath the floorboards at the flat, Jeremba, and then it's like, oh my gosh, it was Daniel, and I kind of want to be caught off guard. I don't want it to be at tonight's the night that you'll

find out who killed Joel. I want to be caught off guard by that. I don't know how they could have done this, but imagine if in the photo already before they revealed the suspects, you had like swaning and kit, like standing, like we're getting a rest, whoever it is, we're just waiting in

the photo, and then it turns out it's one of them at the end. And it was like a... I mean, we'll talk about who we, yeah, if I understood betting odds, we'd be certainly putting some up for the suspects this month, but this week, sorry, but I don't really understand it. So we'll certainly talk about who we think is more or less likely at this stage to be the perpetrator, but I think we need to get through the story and what happened first. So, yeah,

should we kick off and just take a run down of the happenings this week? What do you do, isn't it? This is what we do. So it starts in the rovers and kits going through the paper, Jenny comes down and he gets a call from Tynx, and I don't like how he upcreg in his phone as Tynx. Jenny's trying to listen in because she's a bit of a gossip hound and Kate saying, what station? Which station? Or something like that. So he goes to the police station later, he's checking. Maybe he's, maybe

Craig's like, they're playing on my song request. At the station later, Joel's checking out the CCTV of the area. I kind of missed and I have, I forgot to go back to check how he got this CCTV because it's the place with the storage locker, isn't it? Now, what happened? I've forgotten. So he left what? Who picked what? So Joel's left money, it turns out from the wedding, the cancelled wedding between him and Dee Dee. He's left that money. I can't remember how much it

said. I feel like a 15 grand or something. And he's left it in a storage locker for, for Gus. Gus takes the money and goes and rents Joel a flat in Flint, which is in North Wales. And then he leaves the keys for that flat in the storage locker for Joel to pick up. That's right. And Joel never turns up. Yes. Yeah, I get it. Some of this comes out in the interview later in the station. I spend quite a lot of time on Monday thinking, is he going to get that back?

The landlord, this guy in this landlord in in Flint's like laughing now, he's got a year's worth of rent on a somewhere's going to be empty. He's going to go there. He's going to live there. By the way, behind the scenes fans, this storage locker was filmed. If you've been to the coronation street experience and you see the film that they show you, and then they take you out through the doors into the car park, which is used as the the Curry cast member's car park,

but also doubles as weather field general and fresh co. When you go out through that door, immediately turn right and that's where you get a set of stairs. And this is where the storage locker was filmed. Also used earlier this year for, I think that was a scene with Joel chasing Ellie down some steps or something. But anyway, yeah. So the kit has found Gus on camera, halls him into the station and Gus tells him everything that's been going on.

They're a bit concerned, but Gus is definitely concerned. He's got no idea where his son is. So that's kind of the mystery left there. Meanwhile, back out on the street, you got D.D. meeting up with Ronnie and Adam Speeddile. D.D. is still looking a little suspicious about what was going about everything that's been going on. Luckily, we do find out by the end of the week why she's making these. She's giving suspicious looks to D.D. to about D.D. Ronnie and Ed talking about Joel.

Yeah. Yeah. And you're supposed to think on Monday that maybe she knows what she does know more, but she also knows more about what her family's been getting up to than they realize. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I kind of want to go back and just watch this week now. Now I know what the flashbacks have shown me, but haven't got time. So the police interview scene ends with with Kits saying, well, where do you suppose your son is then Gus and Gus is like, well, you're the

copper. And then this then transfers to a scene outside by the lake. It was beautiful, sun-dappled riverbank with some boys having a few beers were they there. Yeah. And then there was like a bunch of establishing shots or something like it was a music video war. Yeah. Well, there was certainly music in it. I hated this. I absolutely despise the editing in this because it's got it just hasn't got an awful sort of mystery music. It was just like

sinister cheesy music that cut it was kind of nice music that then went dark. It didn't work completely and utterly unnecessary. It did feel a bit like, oh, it would go to the Gritii TV crime drama. That's what they thought they were making, I think. Yeah. But yeah, so but the visuals were enough on their own. You see this body-shaped bag floating down their river and the boys are pointing at it and there you go. There's Dead Joel. Dead Joel. Or is it? Yes, it is. Davenelius

is confirmed later. We have a few scenes of there's a scene with Lauren having to go at Betsey in the cafe later just for getting the drugs that nearly killed her baby off. I don't think anything particularly much developed from there. Then you get Kit coming back. Lauren also suspect. Lauren also suspect. There's lots of suspects. And again, a lot of them very dispensable characters. Bobby and Max. Could be. Kit's been at Joel's flat later on. He comes back to the station. He said

like it was empty. Apart from a couple of things in the fridge that Gus probably put there for Joel when he were to arrive in this new flat. It's definitely not been lived in. Then Craig comes in and breaks the news that Joel Deering has been found dead. Swain Lisa looking a little nervous at this point. I don't know whether it's just the fact that her integrity is now in tatters after she's been so adamant that he killed himself. Unless you did it in the, unless you wanted to

wrap himself up afterwards. I don't think it's a suicide here. Weird things have been claimed to have happened then that but I don't see how it's a good little rose, isn't it? Yeah. You want to make a statement by throwing yourself up into a bridge but first up you wrap yourself in a body bag. Is it yourself up and just kind of pop over the bridge into the water? But the weird thing the thing about it is, you know, how long has he been floating along here? Well a few, yeah,

two, three weeks. Well, nobody's seen him but it wasn't even a very slow current. A slightly disguised shape. It was like the most body-shaped plastic bag I've ever seen. So, I mean, there is the possibility I suppose that whoever the murderer is has like been storing him somewhere and it's like, oh, they're onto me. Now I'm going to put him in the river because, you know, has he just been lodged somewhere? Has he been a, uses a bit of a nest for the neighboring swans

just then they've got rid of them? I love my, I love, you know, already said, established earlier that I love my conspiracy theories. What if Joel did kill himself but somebody's wrapped him up to make it look like a murder and thrown him in the water? So somebody's found him dead yeah after he killed himself. Yeah. I mean, for some stupid reasons. Not impossible. That will make no sense really when they explain it because there's been a few things like that. I really

wanted to be something clever. I don't, and also I don't think, most half of the suspects, I don't think will be physically capable of wrapping somebody up and chucking him in the river without being seen by somebody. I don't see how it was out in the sticks. I think they could, I don't think. How do you know it was out in the sticks? Well, there aren't any, you know, it was in the countryside, it wasn't it? It was a way away. What, where they found his car?

Yeah, I assume that the river was. Where's the river there? Where's the nearby? I never do that. They haven't, this is why a murder mystery doesn't really work in coronation street because no one's concerned about the real nitty gritty details that would help you actually solve the case. And that's why murder mysteries work and why they're fun because

you can actually put it together. The coronation street is a soap. So they're not going to go, let's visit the point where we think Joel's body was dropped into the river because that could be a clue, you know, because it would be a clue because the other thing to consider is whoever killed him then must have a car. Why are you so adamant that they're not going to go back and find all that? Because why would they bother? It's a soap. It's not a murder mystery story.

They think they're a murder mystery story. But did you just hear my point, they about the car? Betsy doesn't have a car. If Betsy's done this, she would have had to have done it with somebody else like Max. Who has access to a car and who doesn't have access to a car? Well, I think as this is coronation street, it's pretty much nobody has a car until we need to be

seen in a scene driving a car and then suddenly they've got one. Yeah, that's true. But you see, again, just like if this was a murder mystery, you would know the answer to that question and it would have been established already. Not like hand-waved over, don't worry about that. Yeah, that's

not detracted from my enjoyment. No, I'm just saying though. At the end of it, you wouldn't have been able to guess because there wasn't ever going to be enough information for you too, but it's not supposed to be that, but it's so similar to a murder mystery story that you want it to be

like a problem. I think if you're watching a murder mystery, especially if it's like, you know, allow a long one or if it's a play or a film or something, they'll often put the clues in, but because you watch it all in one go, you haven't got time to talk to your friend or go on social

media and look at all the theories. Yeah. It's so difficult now for a soap to do something like this because it goes over across weeks and everybody talks about it and every clue that they could possibly be has been found and dissected by somebody and that's just kind of the way that.

Well, you know, somebody's guessed already and written it on social media. Yeah, I mean, I think we will, I don't want to say who we think it is and look at all the motives and everything yet, but I think that there's one very, very, very obvious person that's responsible for this and I just really hope it's not them because that's far, far from obvious. When are you going to say at the end? Yeah, at the end when we've been through it all. I'd like to be proven wrong. I'd like to be

surprised by this. Anyway, so then we then we basically for the rest of the episode see scenes of people being told about Joel. So, Kit tells Dee Dee and Lauren about it at the hospital. Dee Dee is pretty stunned by this news. It's seen like genuine surprise that he was dead. Lauren doesn't react too much. She doesn't look surprised. I don't know whether that's evidence that she knew it or whether she just is kind of washed over her and it's like, early and last that's over always,

she just kind of looked like a normal knocked off cell for really. And it's not that she can't act or react or anything like this. I think it just kind of left her a bit hollow hearing this news. I don't know whether it's a bit early to really have a nuanced reaction to it. But if I was Lauren, I'd be thinking, well that's great because now I will get no child support from him, no money apart from what's in his estate because that would be, no matter what happens,

even if it's in prison, don't you or do you not get any money? I don't know, I don't know. That's not sure. Well, not only that, but obviously the father of a child is died. Do you think that Lauren, yeah, do you think that she wanted him dead? I don't know whether we know Lauren well enough to be able to say she wanted him dead or whether she just wanted him out of her life. It's not in her best interests financially to kill him, but I don't know whether she,

I don't know whether emotionally she didn't care if she did kill him. He's obviously put her through so much that many people would say I want him dead. And also you know that he would mess with her. Because he's a, he's got, he wouldn't be able to practice as a lawyer, but he could represent himself in things, I guess, and he could still make her life hell.

If he decided he wanted, if he did his time and came out and then he wanted the kid to take custody of the kid, I don't know that he would be allowed to, but to find it very difficult, would believe anyone would let him, but he could certainly make her life miserable. Well, she says at the end of the scene, well, at least he can't hurt us now. I'd be terrified of him for the rest of my life if I was her or Dee Dee. Why? Well, if he didn't die. He's definitely dead, definitely

definitely dead. Pub people get told about it. Dee Dee's woken up after having a bit of a nightmare about Joel and the sofa and burst into tears. She is so, so fragile all week. We now know the reason for this because she saw him not long before he died. Whether or not she's responsible for his murder is yet to be seen. But if not, she's at least scared that she's going to be in trouble because the law's going to catch up with her and find out that she saw him in his car,

which is revealed on Friday's flash. I just love the fact. But like the most exciting, like evening of Coronation Street Action happened the night that Joel was killed and we never got to see it apart from in flashbacks. Like everyone in weatherfield is running around in the dark with crowbars, two different set of characters had crowbars running around. Well, I thought there was three of us in there. Well, you got the action, you got the murderous crowbar, which I think is

probably not either a demon. No, I think it probably is. I think that it is. So, but maybe it's not. So there's the murderous crowbar. There's Ronnie and Ed's crowbar. You got DD's crowbar. Why did you get it from? Oh, yeah. Did she get it after that? I don't know. And you got and you got Mason's crowbar or as well. Oh, that's right. I don't know. I'm doing it. People have crowbars as much in real life. We don't have a crowbar. I'm going to get one on Amazon.

I think we do it. You're going to be implicated and the next body that comes floating down the river. I'm going to shut up Michael. I'm going to an alibi for buying and buying my crowbar. The river is just a five minute walk down the road. We could definitely stash a body in there every wanted. But see Michael, we get a crowbar and kill somebody with it, right? And then the police find we bought a crowbar and they're like, why did you buy a crowbar? And we say, because we're

stupid nerds and then they question people who know us, who know the podcast. And they're like, yeah, that is the sort of crazy nerd thing that they would do. I don't think they did kill this person. See, free ladder. I'm just going to go to the crowbar. I don't know. I don't know what you use a crowbar for. That isn't a crime. I've never seen one use. This is too archailly. I've never seen one use. The May the primary purpose seems to be to clonk some around the

head. All break open. Break open a crate. Maybe. Maybe. What do you use a crowbar for? Everybody tell me because I literally have never seen anyone use it. Exactly. There's been the various purposes. Yeah. It's a bit like, you know, you get these, you get the bongs, don't you? You can buy that because technically, you know, they're not selling the illegal drugs. They just say, well, use this for what you want. And maybe that's the same

with the crowbar people. Like the crowbar people know that they're basically arms manufacturers. Yeah, weapons dealers. Basically being cute. And the candlestick makers. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, you got to watch yourself. Yeah. Anyway, so I don't really want to kill anyone at the moment. No, so. Well, it's like the 15 quid, so. No, not worth it for 15 quid. No. So everyone can stay alive. So we've got, oh, yeah, Monday's episode. I forgot.

That's right. It had a time shift, didn't it? It had the next morning. And now no one knows which day. Which they showed by somebody a milkman leaving a milk course and something on the digital method, isn't it? Yes, that's how we know. It's the next morning. Kit comes to join Lauren at the hospital again. They've done Joel's post-mortem. It's definitely him, Gemma. I don't see how you can. No. How did they say, you didn't write this down?

What? How did they dental records? Dental records, right? Well, number one, you can fake that. Yes, you can. You just, you just pay off a dentist. Right. And it's just going to be the return of Sean's dentist, boy friend. Yeah, Crentice the dentist. And the other thing was the other way they identified it, him was that a family member. He didn't say which family member. So which family member was it? I'm going to assume it was the dad. No, he said a family member.

That's interesting. I think it was Gus, right? Gus is in on air. So Gus is secretly harboring Joel, is he? Not necessarily secretly harboring him. And this body is somebody else. Yes, somebody else. Stop adding to our conspiracy, Gemma. You do not believe that. But listen. Just because you want Joel to be alive. I think that Kit also said he saw him himself, which you know, I'm suspicious of Kit anyway. So he's dead. Stop it. Stop it.

So he also tells Lauren that does Kit that they've discovered that Joel didn't drown because he hasn't got water in his lungs. He was hit on the head. So he didn't just throw himself into the water. This is a murder investigation. How did water not get in your lungs? It was a very water type bag that he was up and clearly. So Kit starts questioning Lauren next. Because she understandably might be a bit of a suspect. I think it would be sexist, not to. Exactly. She says, look, I didn't go

out all night. I remember it all day. It was the day of Joel's hearing. I remember it as he had a clear as a bell. And she says, I know that Joel turned up drunk at the cafe that day. He went over and then I went over to Max's house exactly. And she remembers this noise outside, but it went out. She says, and that part of it doesn't get developed anymore this week, does it? We haven't had, I mean, I'm sure we're going to have more of a Lauren flashback because she claims that she

spent the night on the sofa in number eight, doesn't she? I think. So it's definitely possible that she could have and let's face it. She probably did sneak out at some point during the night. But I've still absolutely none the wiser as to who it was sneaking about in the garden of number eight. But very intrigued about that. But I think that Nick, this, because I was confused because on Friday, Nick asked her about the sofa and she kind of brushes it off. And he's saying how

uncomfortable it was. It was the people on the sofa and she's like, no, it was fine. Like she doesn't want, she wants everyone to think she's like, like a baby on that sofa. How many nights did she sleep on the sofa? It was the only one. And maybe the fact is that she didn't sleep at all. And that was what he was trying to do. Yeah, because he was saying, isn't there a big spring that goes in your back and she didn't really need, seem to know what he's talking about? I mean, it's

these things that, yeah, I could go back and see, but I haven't got the time. I never pay attention to how long somebody been sleeping on someone else's sofa on the nation street. And that does pose that's what they're relying on when they're putting together this intricate puzzle as to what happened on that night. So somebody was running around in the garden. And that doesn't tie in at all with what we've since learned about Ronnie and Ed and Dee Dee, does it? There's no reason for anyone

to be there. So, okay, maybe this three suspicion on Carla, because the back garden to Gail's house leads to the nuttles brewery and also Underworld. Underworld would be somewhere that Carla could go after she might have committed a crime. Possibly, but I... Well, who else is around that then? Because the other person I'm thinking is Kit, because Kit was not in at night at the great end. I think it was

pretty late. But why would he be over there? Yeah, it doesn't make sense to me in the moment about why anybody would be out the back of the class. Why was somebody at the back of the class house? What were they doing? Well, you've got that little guinell area down the back of the fence, haven't you? The place where Sam hit that person over the head with the telescope a few years ago. They're very, very rarely filmed down there. So it might make sense that some kind of action took place in there.

So it wasn't the garden itself, but the area was behind that. Or all what you said, the brewery area is really nearby anyway. So I don't know, but they don't take a trip down that particular alley and they turn on, but I'm hoping that they will do next week, because I'm very intrigued as to that.

The other thing about, just going to say about this, is that because this isn't soaping not a murder mystery show, normally what happens is somebody's trying to solve the crime, but then it's revealed in some kind of elaborate stunt who it is and all of this, all of this is actually pointless and comes to nothing. I don't imagine there'll be a scene where Lisa Swain gathers everybody at the community centre and says, no, I know you're wondering why I have gathered

you here today. Well, I can tell you that the murder of Joel Deering is sitting in this room, but that's right now. And it's me! You know, that's what you want out of a murder mystery. I get the Christie reveal, which I don't think we're going to get, but if they do it, if they put it off, I will be very impressed. I'm still loving it. It doesn't matter either way. I'm just saying

that we've done this before. We've gone down this road with Coronation Street many times over the God knows how many years we've been doing this now, and every single time, they must be listening, or if they do listen, going, no, just concentrate on Carla and Lisa kissing next week. Well, we do know that some of the behind the scenes people and the writers do listen to this, so, and then they've told us that in some of our, hopefully, when we're... Like, who wears

Lauren kind of mystery? We've been told, I listened to you and you were close here and not there, so I'm... Hopefully not when they're driving, because their eyes will roll back so far in their heads, they'll probably crash into a tram in Piccadilly's house. Oh yeah, that happened to the dead in there. So, the kit goes to see David for a bit. We don't get much more out of that, apart from where, apart that Lauren was apparently asleep on the sofa, swaying sitting outside.

That's like this. Who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, who, Swain sitting outside number eight watching kit in the rear view mirror as he leaves the house, and then Betsy comes over and speaks to her, because Swain's dropping off her phone or something

that's bad. So, why is she so interested? So, you were, yeah, she's... Well, I mean, you know, her, her, one of the reasons, apart from that she's, she's the one what done it, is that she's concerned, and she's either concerned because she hates Joel, and she wants to be involved in this case, and she's been kicked off the case, or two, she's worried that Betsy's done it, and she doesn't want

the clues to lead to Betsy. Yeah, because this is the same as well where Betsy comes up to her, and she tells, swaying tells Betsy Joel's dead, and I don't, I can't remember what reaction we got from Betsy, it was, I think she said that she's glad that he's dead, but there wasn't a surprise. We've not seen anybody kind of go, wow. I couldn't do, I couldn't do the mantra, because it's like, when somebody told me the person I killed died, I'd be like, oh, what? No, really?

It wasn't me. I was here the whole time. When was it? When were they killed? I mean, there's the question, I wouldn't know, I haven't left the house. So, Monday's episode left with a bit of a cliffhanger, because you got the Bailey boys, Ronnie and Ed meeting up with DD and the pub still talking about this, this bombshell that's been dropped on them this evening. And when DD goes off to the Lou, Ed and Ronnie have a quick, a quiet huddle together and Ed's like, what are we going to do?

Ronnie says, oh, we keep on mouths shut. So, that was great, a lovely cliffhanger at the end, but I had never even thought, as I was watching the episode, that Ed and Ronnie could be involved in it, and now it's like, oh, what were that you're doing? I know, but they would have been good outside and made suspects if they hadn't been addressed immediately. Yeah, I mean, what will usually happen on this kind of who-done is that they put somebody in the frame and then you spend an episode

thinking, oh, maybe it's them, but then you find out that it's not. But, you know, I'm still got some suspicions over Ronnie. I don't think that Ed's, you know, he's completely in the clear, but Ronnie is not one person. So, Ronnie would have gone off without him somehow. Yeah, because we'll get there because that's right. Oh yeah, that's right. We'll get there on Friday days. So, Wednesday rolls around and you got Swain and Kit in the cafe asking him about the case and

he's like, oh, maybe a couple of coffee would lubricate my tongue. So... Why doesn't she just, is this really unethical and not allowed? Why don't you just look at his notes? I don't think you're allowed to do that. Why not? No sneaking. He's probably probably a pass-level detective, don't he? Well, probably, you're not supposed to do that, but I bet they do.

I bet they do. So, I feel like... He tells her that Joel got whacked on the head, can't get much further with this though, because Ronnie comes in wanting to know the details himself. Now, we now know that Ronnie is somewhat implicated in that he went to Joel's flat the night of the murder. So, it kind of stands to reason that he'd want to know, what do you know? And is there any chance that this is going to come back to me? So, but he doesn't get anywhere,

Kit tells him to bog off basically. Back to the crime with Swain, Kit tells her that the weapon was something heavy. Interesting that he said, like a crowbar. I think that the thing that means it wasn't a crowbar. Well, it's... The fact he said like a crowbar, but not a crowbar, and everyone's running around with a crowbar makes me think. It seems a little clunky that there are all manner of heavy blunt implements that probably do the similar kind of damage to a crowbar. Well, you know,

like a plate chair leg or any pipe. No. Yeah, or... There's only so many things. It couldn't... Or a really heavy duty ladle. No, no. I know what you're saying, but they will know it's a pole, it's a metal pole. It's... Well, no, actually, like a crowbar is flat, isn't it? It's a flat thin piece of heavy metal. So, they know it's not round because the mark... They've obviously found a mark on his head. And they can see from the mark that there was an edge. So, it's not going to be

a metal pole. It's not going to be like a steak, you know, like a... You put a lantern in the ground. What about a blue poke? No, because that's round. And it's not going to be a poker. Good reference, crime reference. It's not going to be anything that cylindrical, is it? Well, I think that this is like a really poor job from whoever it was that killed Joel. I would have maybe chosen something that was rounded just to make it less obvious what the actual murder was.

Well, he says... He didn't actually say like... He did, he said like a crowbar. Yeah, he said like a crowbar, but he didn't explain why it is like a crowbar. He didn't say it was a piece of flat metal with an edge to it, did he? I think it would be a nice... I think in real life, he would have told her more specific details about the murder weapon than it was like a crowbar. I think it would have been a nice twist if it turns out that it wasn't actually a crowbar.

I don't think it would be. It was like a crowbar. But what's like a crowbar? I don't know. That is in a crowbar. Nice riddle. I'm getting... I'm fulfilling the ravens coming over me, the poem. Why is a raven like a writing test? Why is a raven like a crowbar? Why is a raven bar like a crowbar? Anyway, so this is what they're asking the murder weapon. We've been driven by this already. Swain says, look, you need to start treaching. They're

everywhere else in there. Maybe you'll find it and he says, look, you leave catcher in the merger to me. You need to sort your life out first, basically. We'll see, this is what I mean about where he went into the water because where he went into the water would be where the crowbar or the weapon would be because it's not going to float down the water, round down the river, is it? It is not. So they need to find where's the nearest point from... I know, I'm getting really

stupid into this. I love this so much. Where, from under the bridge, where's the nearest access point to a river for somebody who was in a car? To that particular river? Does the river even connect? Did they drive to a completely different place? We've got no idea where these kids were when they found this body. It could be miles away. It could be in Flint. This definitely has shades of Stephen burying, well, plopping, um, thingy, Teddy. Was it Teddy? Yeah, was Teddy in the

canal last year? I don't know where, we haven't found the place yet where the, the way this river scene was filmed. No, they don't want us to recreate it. Maybe that's, yeah, maybe that's about what I'd do. I would like to know if anyone knows. If it became traditional, like, yeah, this time every year all the quarry fans to get together and throw bodies wrapped in plastic in the river and it's

becoming a real problem. It goes completely against the ethos of recycling. Anyway, um, doctors tell in Lauren, meanwhile at the hospital that Frankie's back on track, Harrah, and she'll probably be able to take him to a foster home in November. I found this part of the story because I've put all of the stuff with Lauren and Max and Bobby in this story as well because I guess it's tangentially

related, but I wasn't first by whatsoever because it wasn't directly related to the history. Yes, but um, she's, she's reluctant about this and she said it's because she is worried that she's not going to be able to look after him, which is very enough, but is she worried that she might not be around for him to be, um, to hang around with because, um, you know, baby's hang around because she'll

be arrested. Maybe, maybe, maybe. I don't, I don't think so, but I thought. We'll get back to them later. Swain goes to speed dial later and asks Yasmeen about Mason. Um, he's, he's a suspect just, you know, by virtue of being a dodgy guy. What did you make of him? And Yas says, look, yeah, he's had his troubles, um, including his brothers, um, who we got to see Logan for another scene, um, in today's episode, another wordless scene. He'll get his first line eventually, I'm sure,

but it wasn't related to this story. Anyway, Yas also tells Swain about the smashed window last week, the burglary and the fact that Mason was found with a crowbar in his bag. Oh, thanks, Swain. That's quite coincidental because I just heard that. It's like a crowbar. They do use the white jowl on the head. So, DDnex is meeting Adam in the bistro and says, look, I've been knackered recently. I've not been able to sleep properly. Adam says, if Kit hears

that, he's going to put it down to a guilty conscience. Hmm. So, Swain meanwhile is going to the police station telling Kit that he needs to speak to Mason, tells him about the crowbar that Stu found in his bag last week and the fact that he slept in speedtile on the night of the attack, alone. And I've completely forgotten about this and none of our theorising and, and where's Joel clue hunting that we've been going doing on the podcast recently. I don't think he even just,

even brought this up, but this is absolutely right. And I found a great article on the Metro after Monday's episode that I read through with some of the clues here. And yeah, there was that scene where Mason is bringing his sleeping bag or what have you down into speedtile. And then at the very end of the scene, there was a split second where he looks up at the top of the stairs. And I had completely forgotten about that and I had gone into, you know, going to bed on Monday

night, I was thinking, oh yeah, what was that? But we do find out what it was and it seems to possibly rule Mason out as a suspect completely at this point. Maybe. So Bobby, he's back. When was the last time we saw Bobby? Jolly long time ago. But he's back and he's still got the hots for Lauren this week. I was very pleased to see him back because I was getting worried, the part where he'd gone. But you really were. Yeah, it was because I felt bad because I, you know,

I've been criticising him and everything. And I wouldn't want him to be not in the show anymore because fans didn't like the character because I don't think he's been given a proper chance because I think that the storyline to the writing hasn't been very good for him. Yeah, I mean, I don't think the story needed him. No, and when he came in again, I was thinking. He did have a

few zingers in his script tonight, didn't they? I didn't mind actually the line where he said to somebody died when they was talking about when Max was talking about the problem at the salon. Oh, no, I didn't think that was the worst line that Bobby said. But anyway, he's there in the hospital with them on Wednesday's episode and he gets talking to Lauren alone and she's like saying, oh, I'm really nervous. It's good to go to me. Me and Frankie next month. What am I going to do?

And I think, I think Bobby eventually just makes I see that it's probably going to be okay. And she's grateful for his support. Meanwhile, you got Swain going to the factory. Betsey is not exactly thrilled to see her mum turning up. And Swain says, look, you need to keep your distance from Mason. She can't say why. She's like, well, I'm a police officer. I can't tell you why you need to stay away from Mason. Join the dots love. And Betsey's like, ah, open up the investigation.

I just, she's like, yeah, I just don't want Mason to hurt you. I know what he's capable of. So she Betsey then finds Mason coming out of speed, dial later. And he tells her that he's quit. This is all related to the stew storyline as well, which we'll get to later. And she starts grilling him about why he might be under investigation. And he's in as much of the darker she is here. He kind of knows that he almost did a bit of crime the other week. His brother tried to get him

to rob that place with him. That's what the crowbar was for. So he's down to thinking at the moment, are they on to me about this? I'd better get rid of this crowbar. So he had the back of the factory chuck sitting one of the bins there. Again, probably not the most sensible place to put it. I'd probably

travel a bit further afield, but never mind. It was useful for the plot because Kit has been following him and he sees Mason chucking the crowbar in the bin and's like, well, you better come down the station with me because I think we need to ask you a few questions about where you were on the night. Joel's murder. Yeah. So at the station, Mason's being questioned saying, look, I just didn't want the crowbar anymore. That's why I was throwing it away. Yeah, what do you know? Why do you know me

for things away? Well, I mean, you never know when a crowbar is going to come in useful, do you? If you're doing a crime, I can't believe it. Any other reason. And Kit's like, I'm not really sure I believe you there. He says, well, we relieved that a weapon that was used to kill Joel was a crowbar. And Mason, at this point, going to realise is just how deep he could be in this. So Kit says, well, we're testing the crowbar for your crowbar for traces of Joel's DNA. Mason was like, I was at

speed dial or something on my own that evening. No alibi sadly, but won't me go have no promise. And Kit says, well, I think that maybe because you've been quite close to Betsey haven't you. Maybe you wanted to give Joel a good hiding. Mason's like, no, Betsey doesn't mean anything to me. I swear I didn't kill him. And this is where we get the first flashback. So it's Mason. He's in speed dial. It's that scene I was talking about earlier. He's got a black eye because when I kind

of read about this on Monday, then I thought, oh, yeah, Mason's black eye. He said it was his brother that gave it to him. Could he actually have been involved in Joel's murder and could he have got a black eye in some kind of frackar with Joel? And I mean, how convinced are you at this point that Mason is completely in the clear? Why? What's his motive just because of... Just because of Betsey. And Betsey always argue in with each other though. Yeah, but he still has been close to her.

And he's not like completely cut her out of his life. Do you think that the evidence that we've had you know, do you think that the flashback has been enough to prove that he didn't do it? Because basically in the flashback, we find out his betsey coming downstairs. She's absolutely terrified. She says about Joel coming after her. She's dreaming with tears. He hugs her and says, look, I'm not going to let this happen. Joel's not going to go after you. As far as we know, he could have then

gone off to find Joel, I suppose. I think it's fair to say that every single flashback we've seen so far doesn't absolve anybody of doing it. No, there's definitely a bit of unreliable narrator. Well, it's not even that. It doesn't end in a conclusive way, does it? It's like... It's told us a bit. It told us a bit more, it's established a little bit more about why they might be a suspect, rather than saying they're not a suspect. So they both could have then gone off and killed him

together. Or Betsey could have come from killing Joel. And pretended that. Pretending real reason why she's so shaken up is just because she's worried about Joel coming after her. I don't believe a word that comes out of Betsey's mouth to be quite frank with you. So yeah, I think probably

Mason is not high at all on my list of suspects. I kind of don't want it to be him, but it's been weird how they've been trying to rehabilitate him somewhat into the street since the bullying storyline because he was definitely 100% pure villain in the school bullying storyline, wasn't he? And I was wondering, well, why have they brought him back to the street? Why are they having him? I don't have to be gracious to himself to stew and to some measure, it yes, me. That doesn't seem

you know, we don't have soap restorative justice. We have soap. If you've been a bad guy, you'd probably end up dead or in prison, but maybe maybe this is part of Mason's exit storyline and it's going to turn out to be him. Yeah, but it is him then it's a bit underwhelming because you got

okay, it's slowly in my cloud. One of the problems that we had with the Stephen Reed story was the victims were all nobody's and I think if in this story you've got, I mean Joel isn't completely a nobody, but he's kind of a nobody because he was only in the show a year, a same with Mason, characters that were brought in solely to be involved in a murder mystery. It's a shame. I'd rather it was somebody with some kind of established history on the street. Yeah. So anyway, that's

the end of that first flashback. Then we have a few scenes with Max and Lauren and Bobby and the pub and Max is a bit suspicious about Bobby's motives towards Lauren and Bobby's like, yeah, I still want to get in a pants basically. He's probably loving the fact that Winter's coming up and he's going to be able to use the whole just turn the heating down, Ruse on her again that he

tried, he tried last January or whatever it was. So Kit finds Swain later on and he tells her about Mason's interview and the crowbar and this is already by this point being confirmed not to have any of Joel's blood in it. I suppose that's one point. It basically means it. Yeah, it means that he might have cleaned it, but I don't know how, you know, a crowbar's got kind of rough edge. Is it at all porous? Not at all.

It depends on what it's made of and depends on how rusty it is. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, if you had taken a rusty crowbar and then beaten somebody to death for it and then cleaned it, it would look clean. Yeah. It would look like somebody drugged rust off of this specific area and that would be suspicious in itself, wouldn't it? Yeah, but I think it is certainly possible to try and clean a murder weapon like a crowbar and accidentally leave some. Yeah, but it's also

very possible, surely, to clean it and to get it all off. Get it all off, yeah. I mean, what would you need to clean it with? I'm not going to giggle it because I'm already on a list for looking up and looking them up on Amazon and saying I was going to murder somebody on a podcast. Yeah, so I don't know. It seems to get in this is more evidence that Mason's in the clear here, but anyway, I think we should actually commit a crime just to get them listen account up because

the police will have to listen to this. I know. That gets the numbers to listen. We're probably getting the papers. That's advertising. I'm all for free advertising now. I've got a sniff of it. So Mason and Betsy meet in the precinct later and he tells her what's been going on and he also says, I can't see you anymore. It's too risky for us to be seen together. Yeah, why? They've just seen my flashback. I can't be with you anymore. I don't think that they've got a little secret together.

Or that it could. I think it could be an interesting twist if it was two characters who done it. And they didn't you? Because it's very rarely that, isn't it? When it's a who done it, it turns out to be it's this person. If they revealed it was this person but a ha, person B was also involved, that'd be quite good. Well, it could be any combination. It doesn't necessarily have to be. They all did it. Well, yeah. Bit of an orient express situation. It could be that Mason and DD did it.

It could be Mason and you know, Ronnie, it could be anything. I think that would be quite cool if it was more than one. But just to point out again, whoever's done it, although Corrie's got a bad track record with this now, he used to be whoever had done it would definitely be out the show, whether they were killed by some fight in the revelation that they were the killer. Yeah, we get arrested. Or they'd be arrested. But you know, we've still got Gary who killed, what's his very

rick? Mick Rarner, you got Toya still running free on the loose with blood on her hands. Yeah, so if say for example, DD did it, if she could prove that she was, you know, she had a fight with him, then she'd get away with it. And the same with for Spain because Spain's got this mysterious rib injury, isn't she? Yeah, you got Spain's pain. Yeah. So if she did it, the worst thing that could happen probably is she'd be kicked off the force because you can't just go out

fighting people and not mention it when they turn up dead. But you should still get away with it. Yeah, if it was in itself to fanc elements of it. Yeah. Okay, right, again, come to the suspects, again, later even though we've already touched on it somewhat. I'm going to say I think it would be more likely whoever did it gets away with staying in the show afterwards if they're a woman. You're a can. Yeah, no, you've probably right. If it is seen as it was defense, I mean,

I'll kick nobody. Or if the audience can be persuaded that actually it's okay. It was okay to kill Joel in this situation. Yeah, like I don't think Kit would go away with it because I think Kit would like no one would believe that Kit was scared for his life against Joel or anybody. Literally anyone on the show, he could just whack you on the head with his fist and you'd be hammered into the floor. Right. Okay, what we got, pub scene later, you got DD swaying there in the pub,

Betsy's marching in having to go at her mum for hauling Mason in for questioning. And then she storms off again, swaying following in hoppers, you'd and Ronnie comes and sits down next to DD saying, look, what's this I heard about a crowbar? DD says, well, this is what the police reckon was used to kill Joel. And then Ronnie gets her flashback. And this is, I love this because that little conversation that Ronnie and Ed had at the end of Monday's episode really got me quite excited that the

Bailey boys were getting bold here. And we don't see, we hardly see anything from this flashback do. It's basically somebody stuffing in around in I think the builder's yard it was to try and find what ends up turning out to be a crowbar. And then that's literally all it is. We know that Ronnie had a crowbar and that was the cliffhanger that we were left with at the end of Wednesday's episode. So when's the beginning of the flashbacks? Yeah. We only had two. We had were Ronnie and Mason.

Right. But then Ronnie has another flashback on Friday. So we're not being limited to one flashback per or one or two, you know, no, I think we got three end tonight. But listen, what I'm saying is characters don't just have one flashback episode. Ronnie's went over two episodes, he had more than one flashback. Yeah. So far, they are in chronological order. And I don't know whether that will continue or not. Well, not necessarily. We don't know whether the Mason one happened.

No, no, no. I mean Ronnie finds the crowbar. Then he has the crowbar. Oh, yeah. We're not going to, I'll be going to have, you know, before he finds the crowbar. I don't think so. That would be cool. I'm just saying I'm just putting together. Trying to put it together. So, right. See what,

what the, yeah, I hope that there's some kind of compilation of flashbacks. Flashbacks. When they're a video happens, there's going to be one long flashback when I can foresee if not a whole episode in flashback, at least, you know, a part, a quarter, quarter an hour of an episode of a flashback when it's saying what's happening. I hope so anyway. Maybe interspersed with some of the previous flashbacks kind of linking them all together somehow, maybe. So Friday then,

it's Ronnie's 55th birthday. Happy birthday to you. This episode was made all the better by Debbie taking center stage. And in fact, I'm going to say that I enjoyed not having, I don't think we had Lauren in today's episode. Did we? Didn't have Carla. We didn't have Lisa. And I think that those characters have been for me a little bit too much in the forefront of Curry recently. Not that I don't love them, but I appreciated that we got a bit of a breather from them because my interest going

into today's episode with what how are the Bailies involved in this. And we we got that. So Debbie's been planning a surprise party for Ronnie, which is the only kind of party in Coronation Street. It seems he's already rumbled up because he's looked on a laptop and then kick comes over to the Baili board. Well, yeah, kick comes over to the Baili boys saying that I need just some help with some inquiries. Let's go for a chat in Roy's. Ronnie tells the cops I was alone in my flat all night.

They're satisfied with that answer. Then go and see Dee Dee and Michael. But then when Ed comes over to him, they have some more quiet words. We clearly we love that they've been out doing something that night. So Kit's spoken with Dee Dee. Wow, I mean, Dee Dee, look, Kit's been speaking to Dee Dee and Michael later Dee Dee is beside herself with worry. She's trying to hold it together here. She's well, she's clearly very pieved about being questioned like she's a suspect because,

you know, she definitely is a suspect at this point. She just doesn't want them to know everything about what happened. And then we'd also see Debbie pulling up in the car next to them about to drive off somewhere. She's put, she's turned on the sat nav and she notices an address in there that turns out to be Jules. And she's like, oh, what were you doing going to Jules? Then we get our first flashback of today's episode, which is Ed and Ronnie late at night. Ronnie's got a crowbar in

his hand or was it Ed? I can't remember. And they're heading towards Jules flat. Now, I was kind of wondering, was this filmed outside or is this part of the green screen? Because when we saw Jules suicide's note seen, if you like, a couple of months, sorry, a couple of weeks ago, then it was revealed online, hey, we did this all with green screen. A lot of people were saying, why would you do that in green screen? But maybe it makes sense that all of this was in green screen. So that

particular scene perhaps didn't need it. But then was it filmed outside? I don't even know, I don't even know anymore. Sometimes the volume all is very, very obvious. But I said to you all, I wonder if we can find out where that scene with Jules flat is a spill because the sign was very... The sign was very... They wouldn't have... They wouldn't have painted a whole new sign on the side of the bill.

But they also don't generally show road names that are real. No, they don't. Exactly. I think it's I think it. But it was a good fake and the ground certainly looked very real. I suppose, you know, if you're going to use special effects, then make it so that I can't tell and to make me make a question. Well, they did. Well, we're on the subject. Oh, well. Can I just give my gripe? Can you go gripe? I've got a gripe, right? My gripe is that at the moment,

somebody's decided to put steam coming out of pots in the bistro and speed dial kitsch. They have eye masks as well. And it's really annoying me because it doesn't look real. It looks really cheesy and weird. It looks like a panto. Sometimes in speed dial, it looks like smoke at or like from a smoke machine or like it is candle or like a cigarette or something. And then today in in speed in in the bistro and nicks in the kitchen, there's just smoke

whifting about. What's that got to do with this thing? I've got a gripe piece in its fake. You said you don't like it. Don't let me see when things are fake. It just looks... They've never bothered to do it before. I've never seen this. I mean, there's always, you know, you know, it's all fake. Yeah. But why go to the trouble of having smoke coming out of pots? Maybe time while we bought some fake smoke for, for hopes, vapes setting the cabinet on by

our mask as well gets a good use out of it. When you have bright red plastic peppers on the side which don't look real. Right. After the break, you got Ronny's response, the Debbie, about why is Joel's address in your sat nav. And he said it was from ages ago when he and Michael helped to help Ronny, had Joel move the cabinet. And DD is very suspicious about this still. Obviously, because she knows the truth, Debbie is somewhat appeased for now. So at the party later at the

bistro, Debbie kind of sidles up to Michael and says, oh, I can't believe it. You managed to get that cabinet in Ronny's little car. And Michael's like, hang on a minute. We didn't use Ronny's car. We went together. We used mine and Debbie's like, oh, I have been lighter here. And I was like, oh, this is very exciting. I think that's been going on here then. And over dinner, like, brazenly in the middle of dinner, Debbie starts quizzing Ronny about what was going on in Joel's

flat. Michael says that you didn't use your car. Why is Joel's address in your sat nav. And he kind of buys time a little bit by giving a big birthday speech about how much he appreciates everybody their own stuff. And then he goes up to the bar to get drinks. Then we get a flash. Yeah. So we can have a bit of time to get a flash back so we find out first. And it's Ed and Ronny going into Joel's flat. Ed's like, really, I don't want to be here. This is wrong.

Ronny's definitely taken the lead in this in this breaking that it. It looked like, I can't remember they said it outright. And then they'd later say that they wanted to haul Joel out. I was flat and taken to the police station, didn't they? Did you believe that? Or did you think that Ronny would have actually given him a better blood journey? Yeah, because the day that he went missing,

he was supposed to be at the hearing and he didn't turn up. So that does track that they were thinking, well, he's obviously in his flat, we're going to get him and make sure that he faces justice. Yeah. I wouldn't say that Ronny is a violent sort. I know he'd had that scene a few weeks ago and he pushed Joel up against the wall in the precinct and Scali's alley, but I do not believe that Ronny would say I'm going to knock seven bows out of Joel and hope to get away with it.

It doesn't sit right, it doesn't fit with his character from my view. Well, yeah, I mean, I don't agree with you because of that scene. But there's a difference between I'm going to push you against the wall and I'm going to whack you around the head with a pretend instrument. Yeah, but first of all, to be clear, I don't think it's Ronny, but I will, you know, in the scene where he pushes Joel against the wall, the only reason

he doesn't do anything else is because it's in broad daylight. It's not because he decides. It's not because he comes to his senses and realizes he's doing the wrong thing. It's because Joel starts appealing for help to people that are walking about. I think that you know, and that's going to come up, you know, that will 100% come up. Ronny is full of muscles, but I think that it's not to use against people. I think it's, I think it's, I think it's to use as a threat more than

actually I'm going to, I think it's probably maybe just like fitness. Yeah, yeah, exactly, with with the added bonus that he can be. No, I know. It's a need of crowbar. It can be used as a, you watch it because look how ripped I am, but I don't think he would have done anything with Joel, I really don't. Anyway, so Ed is now telling DD at the bistro what happened. While Ronny is recounting the story to Debbie, and I quite liked how they directed that, which was like one of

the masks to question, and then at the bar, the someone else answers the same question. It was that was quite cleverly done, but basically they say, yeah, we went there. We went to Joel's, we're going to drag him up to the cop shop, but he wasn't there, and then we went home. And Debbie's like, this is ridiculous. Why have you done this? You've implicated yourselves now. I'm pretty annoyed that you didn't tell me about this. Ronny straight away. I thought we were a partnership, and DD is

also like really peeved about this. It's time for the bill later. They didn't know he's going to get murdered. No, exactly, exactly. Bill Tomlater, they're just trying to decide who's going to pay, Ronny is saying, I'll pay, blah blah blah blah. DD is just very quiet at this point. He's saying she's got a headache and wants to go home. And the brothers are saying, look, we've told you everything now. Even like you can see the ads, a little suspicious of Ronny because what was it?

He said, like, we went home and we stayed home afterwards, right, right, Ronny? And Ronny's like, why are you confirming with me? You know that we did. So I think the ad is definitely, you know, he, there may be a time in the future where he has to swear that he knows that Ronny was at home and I think he might end up accidentally. Well, they went together and go back home together.

I think it Edward to be asked, you know, are you sure without any doubt that you're no. Well, he can't be anyone ever asking this because he can't be his alibi because they weren't in the same place. Yeah, no, they weren't in the same place, but I think he might end up voicing his doubts. Yeah, he will. At some point. Probably. Which would be cool. I love how Ed is involved in this. Like, this is probably the most exciting thing that Ed has ever done. I don't think that's a

stretch to say that, do you? You're nearly caught on fire once. What are the fire earlier this year? That was quite good. He's just been involved. He's just been very low key and in low stakes stories up until this point. And, you know, Ed, as well as all of the other Bailies, have been not involved in anybody else's business. And this isn't a Bailie story. This is pretty high stakes business to be involved in. This isn't a Bailie story, but he's still in the midst of the action. Well,

it kind of is a Bailie story. If you know, would have been Joel Bailie, wouldn't it? Well, it could have been if you decided to be very modern about it. So yeah, I'm really, really thrilled for Ed for the transfer of Michael George. They've put him as a main player in the story as having been a side character. If I've got to, how long has he been on the street for five years? And I do like this, you know, these two patriarchs defending the daughter of the family against

a villain. Yeah, I do. I think it's great. I think it's brilliant. So Ed goes up to the shop flat later to see Dee Dee. She's crying her eyes out. You can tell she's having a massive panning attack. She's up to something. Totally up to the point. She's saying, I've got a headache. But then he says, look, I swear I'm telling the truth now. I'm really sorry about. When you go to India, to her. Yeah, really sorry about what I said earlier and not being honest before,

but this is what happened. Then it's Dee Dee's flashback. And I was like, yes, at last, because we've been seeing these funny looks and Dee Dee ever since it happened. Even like, she was the first, wasn't she the first scene on the episode after Joel's disappearance when she comes in the flat? Yeah, she's amazing. Well, she goes to the sink and as the water swirls down

the sink, she has a little moment, doesn't she? Yeah. And she's clearly remembering, well, what we see later on, the first flashback is we see a crowbar being kind of dragged across the cars near where Joel is and then the camera unfaithed. That was a little cheesily done because it was, I mean, I don't know why it was like, aha, it's Dee Dee when it clearly was Dee Dee because it was Dee Dee's flashback, but never mind. She goes over to his car, raises the crowbar as if to whack it.

And then a surprise to find that Joel's in there. So I don't think, I mean, I don't think she's killed Joel, but I don't think she went out intending to kill Joel. It just looks a little bit like she was going to smash up his car. It does look like she was going to evangelise his car to get revenge,

but he was in it. And so he's, he's got, I don't know if this was just for the purposes of the film, but the light was on in his car or his face was illuminated so you can see him better, but was he was he recording his goodbye message while he was disturbed because when we see him do his message, he's got this wound on his cheek. Yeah, this 100% happened before that message was recorded. Yes, so what happened then? Did she attack him with this crowbar? Did they have a fight and

you know, the crowbar hit him in the face? And is that why the police think he was killed with a crowbar because this wound on his cheek that came from the crowbar? I think that they said there was another head wound. Okay, well that finished him off because a little scratch on the cheek with a crowbar. No, that wouldn't have killed him. Well, that wouldn't have killed him. You saw that he was recording the message and he was kind of fine. I know, but you don't know how competent

when the field autopsy team are. Well, if there anything like everybody else, they're not exactly. So it's like I think he died of being drugged to death by weater-bicks. No, you've just dropped that in there because you're told you to stop eating it while doing the autopsy. So piecing this together so far, you've got Ronnie and Ed went out to go and rough up Joel. They then go home. Dee Dee hears them arguing about it, which she says to Ed. She says that this

sort of happened. It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't just follow them. Did she hear them arguing about going or coming? No, I think it was about coming back. She says that she heard them and then did she go afterwards? I think so. But if she went with them then maybe. So the interesting, I mean again, the incompetence of the Weatherfield Police Department here is that Joel sitting outside his flat in his car with his face lit up and the police haven't gone to find him even

though he's absconded from a hearing and he's violent criminal. He's tried to kill a baby and he's on the loose and there was no stake out. Nobody went through his flat to find whether he's there or not. They're very underfunded the Weatherfield Police Department. They do seem to be. Well, they've only got about three coppers working. They haven't they? They've got swanky and bostum. They're paying 20 bucks. They probably don't even pay Craig in. He probably just pay him in biscuits.

He was helping himself and he got upset when they were telling him off again, cookies out of the jar. I was like, this is my wages. I'm allowed to. So DD has gone to Joel's flat, found him in the car with a and she must have had some kind of confrontation with him. That's that scratch in Joel's face has has got to have been caused by DD. I don't know. I think so. No, I don't know. Why do you think what just because the next time you see him? Yeah, because he we know that when he recorded

the message, well, when he recorded the message, where was his car? Was it in the place where we saw him sitting in the car or was it by the viaduct? Because whatever happened between him and DD, he then or his car was at the viaduct. Yeah. So I'm thinking that he drove he was well enough after the confrontation that he could drive part of the car and he must have had some kind of scheme because he had that second car in the field, didn't he? Let's

be clear. If DD is in fact the perpetrator here, this flashback was not when she killed him because we see him alive after with something on his cheek and he's still alive. Yeah. Right. So unless she's in the car with him, making him record it to make it look like he she didn't kill him and he's left her a message as a suicide note, which would be really clever. She's gone away and then maybe come back later. Now, I think that many, that doesn't really make sense.

DD is another action. Apart from the fact that she's been looking a bit dodgy and now we know why, everything else that has happened doesn't lead me to think that she's bumped him off. Like when she on the Monday episode, when she goes and finds his car in the field, that was genuine. Oh, I've just found his car. She didn't know it was there. She found clues that she would have not needed if she'd known that that was there because she killed him. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I think

that she's 100% innocent. No, I think she did. She didn't, she did not and that they wouldn't have a main character, you know, as beloved as DD do this anyway. I think they should do. I think they should take more risks. Yeah, they should. Well, I don't think that she did. It's also, I mean, I'm gonna say it's not in her character. She's not a violent person. No tendency. I'm not surprised she's not innocent. Smack his car. Yeah, that's what I think. I, you know,

when we saw it, I was like, this doesn't make sense. Yeah. DD, brandishing a crowbar is the most out of character thing I can imagine her doing. But okay, so the question I have is we watched Joel's recording, again, this evening before we recorded. And there's not really much you can clean from it, even knowing that perhaps he had, he had an encounter with DD and he said something like, you know, so he says something about sometimes you hurt the people you love. Yes,

exactly. So is that a reference to the fact that she's, she's hurt his cheek? Because that is quite a vicious wound on someone's face, which is very violent. Most, I don't think, I don't think many women would attack somebody's face like that. I don't know. I don't know. Well, I don't know. I think that women generally would sort of hit your body and, you know, women don't generally try to hurt, like when they're beating, when they're beating, even, it's like more defendment.

Because we think we're weak and so you think, oh, I can hit. This is what, this is what I hear a lot from male victims of domestic violence is that the women seem to think that they're not hurting them. You know, I'm just, I think that so. So he's, is he doing this beach? So he's, all along he's planning to fake his suicide. Do we still agree that that's the case? I don't know whether it's an all along thing. So he had some kind of plan, didn't he? Because he

went to Roy's pretending to be drunk. He was giving all this money away. He was saying, oh, I'm so sorry. Oh, what was me? He gave it money to his dad to rent this flat. He's put a note in the car. He's left a bit of message. He was scheming something. But then, Dee Dee comes and finds him and his car outside his flat. They have some kind of confrontation. She gets hurt for sure, which you find out in the

next flashback, but it comes in at the end of the episode. He's clearly hurting it. And does he just then take advantage of the situation to say, because it's basically, you know, I'm sorry, sometimes you hurt the people you love. Maybe there's one more thing that I can do to, to make this better for you. So he's clearly threatening to, to offer himself in that, in that voice recording that he left. But too many things have been set up by him to make this

as great as I know. It's quite, it's quite, apart from the fact that he dies for real at the end of it, it seems like Dee Dee confronting him was quite handy for him. But how would it have been handy for him? It gives him a reason to say, well, I'm going to wear my life because, you know, I've hurt you and I didn't mean to. And maybe this is, maybe this is just going to make it right with you, because she's had a confrontation with him and clearly, words have been exchanged. Well, maybe it was,

I don't, I don't know, I don't know. But, but, but basically, Dole had been planning to fake a suicide all along. Yeah. And this, whatever happened between him and Dee Dee that we've seen so far, didn't change his plan. No, no, no. And we still don't know whether Dee Dee is responsible for the for the wound on his cheek, but you think I think that, I think for sure. I don't think so. Interesting, interesting. Then though this is good. Because, you know, one of us is going to be

proven right. One's going to be a problem. And also, the other thing I just want to say too is that Dee Dee is crying and I wonder why she's crying because the obvious thing is that she's sad because Dole's dead and she's, but she also worried that something will come out that will jeopardise her career. Well, yeah, I think, I think 100% she's upset because she knows she's embroiled in it. She knows she's kept quiet about it. She's terrified that the truth is going to come out.

So the first question is she going to get away with what she, what we have seen are actually do, which is to try to attack. I wonder whether Dee Dee is regretting at the moment, staying quiet because, you know, it's easy for us to say I've never been embroiled in this kind of thing and never been accused of murder. But it's easy to say, well, if you are completely innocent of murder, maybe if you did something else, like you smashed up his car a little bit, maybe you should say that.

No, I guess if you're going to find out that you were lying about anything, then you're going to be suspect number one. I know, but really, you wouldn't say anything because if students are pleased, find out any, if the police could watch any of these flashbacks, they would immediately suspect any of them. Wouldn't they? Yeah. Any, any way that we've been on this,

we've been on this this bit of it too long. But this was quite a key part of the episode. So this is when Dee Dee back, back to the present and it's still a- I think we're not wasting something obvious. Oh no. Dee Dee admits to Ed that she heard him and Ronnie arguing about going to Joel's flat and she's known since then. That's why she's been trying to out of sorts. She doesn't tell Ed that she went there herself though, so that's still a secret. Very weird

that she's done this. So Ed goes and feels Ronnie and Debbie in on what Dee Dee said and he gets Michael to sit down with him so he can tell him to. Ed just wants everybody in the family at least to know the truth now because Ed is, you know, as honest as the day is long. On the whole, I mean, yeah, he stole his family's Christmas presents last year, but I'm going to say that Ed has got an honest soul. He is a good chap. I just love this one. He's one of the most

honourable people on the street. He just gets himself in kind of difficult, scrapeds and situations. He's got a better gambling. I just love the way I'm on, so the the measure of whether a good character is not whether you do good or bad things. It's whether you're sad when you do a bad thing. And Ed totally is. I really, I do, I like Ed. I think he's great. But anyway, so Michael's kind of panicking at this because, well, understandably, he thought that he had nothing

to do with it. And now he realises that he's keeping people's secrets or he has been inadvertently not telling the truth because he said, well, I've told the police that you and Uncle Ronnie were were at home all night. I would not want to be involved in life. Don't worry about it. It's fine. Don't tell me your secrets. Yeah. He then, Michael goes and sees DD and she's like, how are you

so calm about this? This is this is nuts what we've got ourselves in the middle of. And she says, I'm not, but we've got to keep this quiet for the sake of the family or something along those lines anyway. So he heads back home. Oh, Michael's the best Bailey there is. He's also the Bailey's are, you know, they've been raised up right. Haven't they? They're a good they're a good family. They've Michael, three members of that family that are so outstanding were wandering

weatherfield with crowbars the night of a murder. What are you talking about? Right flashback at the end of the episode. And this is DD coming back to her flat sobbing go and straight to the sink. Well, that explains that then doesn't it? The sink woozyness on the day after the disappearance. But she's washing furiously, furiously washing a crowbar and blood off her hands. And I think, and we only saw this scene once actually we didn't rewind this. It feels like she's got a cut on

her hand. So some of the blood that she's washing off is from her. I think he might be some of her blood. Yeah, that's my argument. I think what happened was she, he kind of confronts her. I think maybe they wrestle with the crowbar and she cuts her hand as he tried to. I think that they wrestle with the crowbar and his face gets cut in the frack. But then it doesn't count. And then she also did it then. Well, no, yeah, yeah, I think I'm okay. Well, however, I think that the cut on his

cheek was caused by an altercation between the two of them. And she also gets hurt in the process as well, goes home washes it off. And she's terrified. I don't think that she thinks that she killed him because she didn't. She clearly didn't. Maybe I'll be eating my words in a one time. I don't know. But yeah, she's worried that she's going to be implicated and they're not going to find who the actual killer is. I mean, literally she's seen her friend Roy be sent to jail earlier this year

when there wasn't even a body when he was innocent. Now they've got a body and there's quite strong evidence against her. I'd be worried too if I was her. Yeah, but where's the crowbar? Well, quite. Where is the crowbar? Who knows? Where did she put it? Yeah. And why did she have one? Where did she get it? Bloody get it from. Well, I think that I think that what she said was maybe right that she heard Ed and Ronnie get back to number three. And then she snuck out with the crowbar. Yeah,

definitely a different crowbar to Mason's crowbar. Probably. Right. Okay. I mean, if it was all the same crowbar, that would be weird. Quite quite a game of past the crowbar, which is not something we've played in this country. Save real parties everywhere. So, yeah, so there we go. That's where we're up to here. Yeah, so exciting. What's happening? Yeah. So, who done it? Nobody's found out that Lauren and DD had this tracker yet. That could still come up.

Haven't they? Nobody's found out that they've got it. Okay, okay. Have they? I don't think so. Yeah. So, they've not found it. And the tracker wasn't working on the day of Joel's murder. No. Which would explain why DD was surprised to find Joel in the car. Yeah. But they didn't find it. They not find Joel's phone because the tracker's installed on his phone. They should know that he had a tracking device on his phone. They found his laptop, didn't they?

They found all his text messages on his on his. He's not dead. He's got his phone. Yeah, so I don't think that everybody's phone yet. I mean, so somebody's maybe got that. Somebody's got the crowbar. Is it just like under a sink in the corner shot flat? I don't know. But who? Yeah. Who are they going to start searching places for this crowbar? How much evidence do you? You can't just say I suspect everybody in this show. So, I'm going to look in everyone's house

for a crowbar. You have to have you have to have a motive warrant warrant. Yes. So, let's run down on this as suspect. This is too many people. There's a lot of people and some of them have avoided suspicion so far. And I'm just going to say like as in any murder mystery, there are two layers of clues, right? There's the clues that are in the show. And as the clues that are part of how you tell a story and how a soap works. What do you mean? Well, it's not going to be,

like it's more likely to be a minor character, isn't it? Yeah. Because of how a soap's work. It's not why I say I say yeah. It's not going to be Ken. Ken's not, you know what I'm saying. I don't know that we know the contract date of any of these people. I don't think it's going to be Lisa Swayne because she's just been made a major regular character. Yeah, but I think it would

still make sense to say well, it's just a temporary regular character. But that would mean you're regular character because we want to have a really story that's going to involve a normal lot of a police detective. But I think the fact that she's currently getting involved into this whole relationship with Carla's story, which we didn't see any of this week, unless it's a case of, oh, you know, these two have just discovered each other and aren't they a lovely couple,

but oh, Shucks, one of them's a murderer and has now been thrown in jail for... I think it would be a huge tactical mistake for Coronation Street to make Lisa Swayne a part of one of Coronation Street's hottest new couples for, I'd say, a decade as far as online hype goes and then turn her into a murderer. And so for that reason, I don't think it's Lisa and I don't think it's Deedy because Deedy's such a popular character. Deedy's a popular character. I don't think she's

got to in her. I know, but I'm talking about literally technical, like non-story reasons. Yeah, but behind the scenes reasons, it would be crazy. Because let's go through in... No, well, do we go with who we most think it is first? So who do you think it most is? Well, it seems like it's very, very obviously kit. Yeah, I think it's kit. But I love him. Sometimes in these kind of things, if you predict rightly, you go, yeah, I got it right.

But other times it's like, well, that was a shame because it was obviously him from the beginning. But the problem was with kit, there's not really any evidence against him. The motive is he's, you know,

it's just the kit's a dodgy guy. I know, but okay, yeah. But can I just say, if it turns out that there's like some big alternate mode, ulterior motive or something, or some reason that we don't know about as to why kit was killed, why Joel was killed by somebody and the person is somebody we didn't know, that's going to be super disappointing. Kit has shown earlier in the year when he put the hair in the van that he's willing to, you know, not play by the rules and for justice. And what was his

reason for justice? Ben for justice because he's seen that Joel is a slippery customer and he's trying to get away with not turning up at the hearing and he must know, both of all the cops know he's doing a runner. If he's not turned up, it's not because he's put the wrong date in his calendar. It's because he's trying to do a runner. So from from kit, from the evidence of what we've seen from kit, that is that he's perfectly capable of doing something criminal in the pursuit of justice.

Whether the justice comes from I'm planting evidence so you get in trouble or whether it's coming from while you're not going to be brought to justice, I'm just going to off you. And also the other thing to point out if is kit, how much of what he says can you trust? When he says to Swayne, oh it was something like a crowbar, is there any way that she can find out whether he's telling

the truth or not? But I think you know that we're supposed to believe that because they then took it to they took it to the interview room, they they became official, it's a crowbar, I don't think he could have lied about that, but certainly you do have something. Yeah, you you've got to analyse everything that kit says like who's he saying this to? Is anyone else going to find out about it? Because I do not trust the word that comes out of his mouth. Like for example, he went to Flynn

to go check out this flat. Yeah, if I was a kid and I'd killed him, I wouldn't have gone to Flynn, I would have gone to McDonald's to try it out on my grip and said I'd gone to Flynn because I know he's not there because I killed him. Yeah, exactly, exactly. You've also got like the the whole bringing in Mason. Now if we were to believe that kit is 100% innocent on this and he's just literally trying to find who did it, you know, or why would he bring in Mason knowing.

Knowing that the Mason's crowbar is not going to have any trace of Joel's blood in, what's the point of that? Why would he know what are you saying? Well, he if he's the one that killed Joel, I thought he was innocent. Yeah, but if we're to believe he's innocent, no, that's what we were saying. Right, okay, if he if he did it. Yes.

Why would he why would he bring in Mason knowing that it would be a complete waste of time because the seed as that crowbar of Mason's was detect was was investigated, it would turn out not to have any blood on it. So it was just a waste of time, but I would say that it's not a waste of time because that would be an alibi. No, it just shows that he's working on the case. Yeah, that's the thing I would do. At the end of the day, all you have to do is find enough evidence that is

plausible for CPS to charge him. So it doesn't matter whether the crowbar is clean or not. That doesn't really prove anything. It just proves that he cleaned the crowbar. He knows the crowbar is clean, but everybody knows if you kill someone with the crowbar, you're going to give it a bit of a wipe down. I think it would make sense for him to say, well, it couldn't possibly be me that did it. Why would I have if it was me that did it, why would I have investigated Mason when I knew it had

been a break. No, that is my second time. So you'd have to do everything by the book like you would do if you didn't do it. Yeah, all the questioning, he's just going through the motions there, isn't he? So the main reason. And we've not seen any evidence of him being genuinely surprised by anything. You know, everything seems to be kind of, yeah, very well plotted and and skimmed. And he keeping Swayna a distance from the investigation because there's obviously tension between

the two then they don't like each other very much. But if he did do it, he would want to keep her distance from it because she's more likely than anybody to figure out what he's up to and find out it was him that did it. Yeah, I mean, the only real proper clue that we've got against kit is the fact that we knew he was out late on the night of the murder and they've not really touched on that.

And again, because he's a throw away line between Jenny and Daisy on the night. And it kind of really smacks as something that Corey want to reveal later and say, aha, we told you that you forgot and that hadn't you. Yeah, but we haven't forgotten that. So I would almost go so far as to put money on it being kept at the moment. But this could be, you know, Corey could be doing this completely on purpose and saying we wanted you to think it was obvious that it was

kit, but it isn't. And there's definitely, yeah, that's there as a possibility in my head as well. But I would say that my number one suspect is kit at the moment because he has been a dodgy geaser right from the start. I just want to give a shout out to Macy Spankman who is the person who put together the Metro article. If you want to see it all written down, she's gone through lots of clues. I don't know if it's been updated as they're releasing new flashbacks.

Yeah, I also put together the where is Joel video, which was a while ago, which has some clues in it, which obviously means, you know, it's not up to date. Very up to date. But people have been collecting clues all over the place and it's, yeah, this particular article on the Metro was very thorough, isn't it? So I'm going to say it's him. It's not, it's not DD. We, I kind of trust her version of events now. We just need to fill in the gaps about what happened when she confronted

Joel in the car park. Yeah, I mean, she's the wronged woman. She's seeing what he's capable of. She's also got a streak of goodness about her. Perhaps she would consider herself to be necessary to kill him because she's protecting women. If she has killed Joel, which she hasn't, but if she has, it was total accidental kill. Well, they don't have a choice. She's a good Christian girl, isn't she? And they don't go around just deciding to go and kill somebody.

I mean, the interesting thing about DD and I do again, because this isn't real, it's, it could be an oversight of, of the writing or whatever, but she's not gone to church. She hasn't got a bible out. She's not praying, which is what I would expect her to be doing if she's actually killed him. I think if she killed him, she would be looking for forgiveness and trying to find, yeah, something, some way of God, you know, letting her off the hook here. They're the same

or the end of the episode. I'd expect to have a conversation with Billy as well. Yeah. I really am criminating. Of course. Never seen at the end of the episode when she was sitting there kind of clasping her hands. I wonder whether she was having a little pray then, but I don't think that she was. She's the clear Lisa. We've not really investigated a whole lot about what she was up to on that night.

Obviously, we've not had a flashback. Clearly, something has happened because she had that pain in her side. Yeah, she's got pain in her side. That's the main thing that I'm wanting to know about at the moment, but I think that's probably going to be explained away. She's not got an alibi for where she was because it would have been Betsy who would have said that they were home together and Betsy wasn't home. No. Because Betsy was out with Mason. Exactly. That's an interesting

way. There's also the fact that Lisa's phone was off on the night when it happened. I'm sorry, but I'm suspicious of anyone who ever turns their phone off. Yeah, I think so. What are you doing? I know. She was also trying to dissuade kit from investigating it right from the start. She was like, suicide, suicide. Don't worry about it. Sure, it was suicide. Yeah, there's definitely some

dodgyness there. That is weird. That is weird that she was so insistent because she's always, although I don't think she's sort of a great cop as Corrie wants us to think she is, she definitely is supposed to be competent and that's not a very competent thing to say before you know. Yeah. I mean, especially with Joel because Joel never struck me as a sort of person who would want to do that. No, no. You're too dig-a-distical. Yeah, absolutely. I think Betsy is not impossible.

Where do you think Swain's pains come from? Yeah, exactly. It's either she got it in a confrontation with Joel or which we haven't seen. Which we haven't seen or she got it during a mother daughter argument. I don't think I wouldn't put it past Betsy to give a mama good shove, especially if maybe Lisa has just discovered that her daughter has as oft somebody and she might well be keeping a secret for Betsy, which she would want to do because she wants to, she was just

kind of on the cusp of all. I mean, Betsy have turned a corner. We've not seen I to wife for so long but now we can be friends and I know I found out some incriminating evidence against that. I'd better keep this quiet otherwise I might spoil our relationship. But yeah, there might have been no Betsy. We said that when Betsy went to see Mason, she was all sixes and sevens, it could well be that she's just been bumping off Joel and she's too slight.

And then maybe Lisa finds out about it. What if it? So maybe it's if we're going down there, is it two characters working together? I might say, Kit and Betsy. I'm going to say Lisa and D.D. No, no, no, it's not. But okay, can I please explain? Yeah, go on then. We know that she's had an violent altercation and it was the day of Joel's murder. We know that the D.D. was there

with his crowbar and she had blood on her hands. What if Lisa followed D.D. and tried to stop her from attacking Joel with the crowbar and then there was a fight and she's the one that hurt Joel in the face and he's the one that smacked her in the ribs. I kind of does make we just want to go back and watch all that scenes between the last three weeks now. What scenes have seen? See if I can see any. D.D. and Lisa. The thing is about it is that you're not going to pick up very

much because it would be too obvious. I know they're not working together. I think we've definitely seen scenes where there's just the two of them. I'm saying to you, the actors, okay, but the actors will, even if they are working together, not be given out any clues with looks and stuff. Most of

the looks you're going to see are going to be red herrings. Yeah, there's a whole lot of red herrings going on here, but I think we've seen enough between Lisa and D.D. in the last three weeks, private where it would have been the time to say, I can't, we're getting away with it so far. So no way. I do like the idea of it being Betsy and Kit. Because they've got a relationship in a way, I know that was Betsy and Joel. What Betsy and Kit got to do with each other, not a whole lot.

Well, maybe Joel, sorry, maybe Kit has had a word with Betsy when we haven't seen them talking. He knows, he knew that she was, you know, he finds after he's died all those messages or does he? I don't know, but he knows there's a link between the two of them because of the conversation that they find of Joel coaching Betsy on the phone to order the drugs. So he,

so he knows there's a link between them. I really think we need to go back and watch literally all the scenes of the story in the last few weeks now because we could be missed, we could be just completely forgetting something. We almost need to watch it thinking, let's imagine it is these, do we pick up any clues from that? But you know, her motivation is that she's been humiliated, she's always had a bad situation with her. Well, she was made to get the abortion pills by him.

She might have, she almost killed Frankie. Yeah, she might still be after money. She might have gone and said, I've, you know, I know where you're going or she might find something out about him and he's had to try to attack her to, I don't know how a girl Betsy size would kill a man. No, that I was going to say that as well. And, and, and wrap him up, put him in a car, which she doesn't have, drive him to a river. I mean, I guess maybe she, well, how does she get

to the location of the board where Joel's car was without a car? I mean, she could have driven the car all over the place. I don't know how she wouldn't have left her in the car. They would have found a blonde hair. That would have been a really fun clue, wouldn't it? Because it would have made Lisa and Lisa, she'd seen it, would have taken it away thinking maybe it's her her. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, I don't think Betsy if she did it, did it alone, same with Laurie.

Yeah, I don't think, I don't think Lauren did it at all. And now she's powered with rate, the rage of a mother. But, and, you know, I have heard that women can lift cars when their babies are underneath them, but I'm not sure how easy it's to kill an evil solicitor. I've not seen enough clues at all from Lauren that she's feeling guilty about something that she

might have done or even worried that she's going to get caught. I mean, the off, you know, the obvious thing to say is that she's, she's one of them, the group that you might say are more disposable. Well, I'm going to say, like I said, pretty much everybody here is disposable. I don't think Ed is, don't think D.D. is. Yeah. But pretty much everyone else says even Ronnie could be disposable.

I know, I'm not trying to be mean about the, this isn't a reflection of whether I want the characters to be in the show or not because I don't, I think all these characters are fine. I don't think it will be Max for the same reason because no way. No way. Max is probably the least likely because of his, he's a legacy character who, no matter whether Patti Beaver wants to be in the show or not, they can still have that character

of Max, but probably someone else. I don't want them to, I don't, I don't, I'm just be clear, I don't want them to recast. I don't think there's ever, you know, I don't think it seems like he wants to leave or anything. But he is one of the characters that they would bother to recast if ever Patti Beaver said I'm not doing anymore. They would probably retire the character for a year or whatever long and bring him back as somebody else. Yeah, yeah, I do, I do not think it would be.

People's sons and daughters on Corrie of a big name don't generally tend to do stuff like this because they don't want to lose the characters. This is why we got a Todrick cast. Yeah, exactly. And Mason, like we said, probably not, although he could well have disappeared off after Betsey comes to see the story. Mason's daughter, probably the least convincing. He's had nothing to do with the story. He's got the least. He's got the least convincing motive. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

And it would have to be a motive that we'd have to have constructed for us in flashbacks, which I don't really want them to do. But then Kit, well, I don't know, kits isn't the same. So we're going between Betsey and Kit at this stage. We're interested to see whether we're still in the same situation next week. We haven't also mentioned Carla. It wasn't Carla. Why? She's got no reason for doing all. Well, she's got that link with Spain, but it's not really developed enough

for murder. Yeah, we got Emily, Joel's wife. It just would be really... If it was Emily, I'd be a bit cross. We've got Ellie, who is the urchin, who's the wife, who's a wronged wife. We've got Bobby. Because we've got this picture that the coronation street has put out and there's the clever thing they've done with it is that it's not like they've given us silhouettes of like here's a space, but that we've got we've got Mason in the picture. We've got the baby boys and we've got DD in it.

That's quite a lot of space. You've got a spare chair. You've got, you know, you can have two people here. You can have three people here. You could probably fit a good eight, nine, ten people in this picture. And also, obviously they weren't all in the same place. This was not a group photo. It's just photoshopped it. So they can put anyone anywhere. They could have swank them out of the lift going,

it was me all along. They could have swanked, poking out the whole going, if you decided to do, did it yet? I just hope that they quickly established who the suspects are and it is one of them. Because the worst thing that they can do in this sort of story is have it someone you didn't even expect, which they have done before. It's just it's a cup out and it's not, uh, fans don't, fans don't like it. Right. I think, you know, we've been going nearly two hours now,

just about this one story. And I know it was the big story that we can, and it's a mystery, which is obviously going to elicit a lot of discussion. So well done, Coronation Street. You've got people talking about the show. I'm still, I would still say that the choice of characters that are involved isn't necessarily the best, because a lot of them are, you know, have only been in the show for a little while and it doesn't matter if they're gone. But,

um, yeah, do do love a murder mystery. Um, I'm and it is absolutely got me excited for, that they're coming for the coming weeks. But how long do you want it to last? Um, do you want to go to Christmas? I, I, I feel like it could be, if it's still going at Christmas, it feels like it could be too long. They can't though, because they've got to, they've started this

clock ticking now with their, who killed Joel and the flashbacks. I think once we've run out of flashbacks, we're going to find out if they have a big gap and then we don't find out after they've run through the flashbacks, people are looking at Riot. Because people are already moaning about it. But then, let's say a month, give it a month, Coronation Street. Yeah, it will be definitely over in a month. You reckon, you reckon. Okay, right, let's, let's move on to the other stories.

And maybe we'll rush to them a little bit quickly because, no, but now we're usually getting onto the cabin. But people did say they enjoyed our nearly four hour long episode last week. I hope you've, I think we've gone around in circles a little bit with this. And you know, I don't edit. So, sorry. Um, but Jesse Gail and House for Sales. So Sarah Lou has gone to see Adam at the beginning of Monday's episode up in the lawyer's office to say, did you take the money from the locker? This

is the second big mystery of the week. Where's this money gone that Damon told Adam about? And supposedly it wasn't him that took it, even though I think it possibly still was at the end of the day. I don't know. He says he had nothing to do with it. The only other person who I told about the money was Daniel. Then you also get some scenes this week of visiting Bethany in hospital. That element of the story I was less engaged with. Considering that a couple of weeks ago, I was like all in on

the Bethany's got a bag. Bethany's got a bad surgery at the moment. It really feels a bit finished to me. You know, Bethany, Daniel, will they won't they? Even like the fact that Bethany dumped Daniel a week ago. And then by the next episode, they were back together again. It feels like it's kind of wasting time a bit. Yeah, I know you mean. And you know, have we had our awareness of stomas raised now? Is that basically it? Or are we just waiting for Bethany to get out of

hospital? Which makes sense that she's in there for a long time. But I think we're all just kind of waiting to get rid of those hospital scenes and have a reintegrate into what's going on in the street. You know, some people are talking about the stoma stuff and pointing out, which I think is very fair, that it's still not really clear what it is or what it involves or what. If this is raising awareness about stomas, it's not because I don't think I can get from it. What a stoma is.

I know what a stoma is because I already know. But from Coronation Street, it just seems like it's a bad thing that you get and you have it for life and it's a bag and you can kind of fill the blanks in. But nobody's just come out and actually said, I think there's still dancing around it and being a bit, you know, maybe. I think they needed to say it head on. I trust them that they will. I hope so because, but why not yet? Why not have a nurse come and say hi, hi Bethany, I'm your

stoma doctor or something. I know it's really hard. Nobody's done this to her. It makes sense when she didn't happen in Turkey because they're not doing her own going care. But now she's in the character of the NHS. You would think somebody would come and say, let me help you and explain what it is. A stoma bag, as you know, is that it had it. We've had it for stupid stuff that we didn't need awareness raising for like, don't fall asleep in a house for the carbon dioxide. I'm not

saying. I won't do that. Thanks for the tip. Right. Okay. So I just want to say one thing about Bethany, Bethany's story, I want to try to think of an analogy for why it would be unfair to blame Bethany for having this operation. Yeah. And sort of saying she brought on herself. And the only thing I can think of is if you're in a car crash, say you're in a car crash and you you ended up damaging your body and you had a stoma, right? Nobody would say to you, well where were

you going in the car? Where were you going? Was it somewhere you needed to go? Was it, you know, you were driving to the shop up the road where you could have walked. So you kind of brought this on yourself because you didn't actually need to go in the car to go in it. Nobody goes always a frivolous reason that you're in the car. When you don't, when you're in a car accident, nobody says what were you doing in the car in the first place? It's a tragedy, but we all know everybody

goes in the car all over the place for no reason at all. And she'd been in a car to go and get some plastic surgery. Yeah. Would we have the same response? Or like, well, you just out for a drive or you shouldn't do that anyway because you're killing the planet. Well, that's just what I thought of as an analogy that you could use if you were Bethany to explain why you shouldn't be playing.

Well, we'll see when she gets out. The main kind of Bethany side of the story here is because there's that Jenny finds out about Daniel giving Bethany the heave-ho and speeds the gospel back to Daisy later and saying, you know, you got your chance here, you should make your moves on Daniel if you want to, if you want to do that. And Daisy, for a play tour, goes to the hospital and rather than saying, I'm going to steal your man, she actually says, Daniel's mad about

you, you should take him back. So that surprised me a little bit because I was quite convinced that this story would lead to Daisy and Daniel getting back together and I kind of hoped it would as well to be fair. Well, I was then Daisy's to hear saying, no, I don't want him. When I was watching this episode, this scene, I was thinking to myself, I literally know nobody in my real life who would have the emotional maturity to do what Daisy's doing right now. Fair play to her. Yeah.

She's grown, hasn't she? Daisy, I always think if I was Bethany, I would not really want to have this conversation whether it could have been in text. Yeah. David's interested in seeing Adam later on and she's sorry, he's interested in seeing Adam and Daniel speaking later. And Adam mentions the money, assuming David knows about it, there's lock up money and David's like, I don't want to hear about Damon again. Don't tell me about him. Daniel gets back together with Bethany,

Harrah, that was a bit of a waste of time having them split up really wasn't it. And then we get the next morning scene. There's only one in this story on Monday and it's David making it clear to Jessie that he's really not appreciated. Leave us alone. And Jessie says, that's okay. I'll be out of your hair soon because I've got keys to my new flat in Oak Hill today. So he is also kind of under the spotlight because people are saying, how did Jessie get all this money to buy a house

in Oak Hill? Wednesday, Jessie finds David looking through the papers and allows trying to find a way to be able to afford number eight because remember Gail's putting it on the market. And Gail has apparently promised the hold fire until David can find a way to make an offer on the house. Sarah comes into the house later and says, well, David, what do you make of Jessie? I think he's bloody weird. How is he afforded in this place in Oak Hill? There is something off about him.

And I don't know what it is, but they're distracted during this by the sound of a for sale sign being put up outside. So David's like, wow, hang on a minute, phone's up Gail. I thought you told me that you'd wait, but Carla waits for nobody. The most frustrating thing about this whole this whole stupid story is that literally nobody needs to afford to buy the house of Gail. They just have to give her the money to cover the loan. Yeah. Why is she still selling the damn house? Why

have the why have the platter not had a wit round? What's happened to the the GoFundMe or whatever money? Where's that gone? I mean, it's very, very expensive. I don't think you're going to raise that much money with a little GoFundMe, especially if people are pulling out because they don't agree that Bethany should have been having the plastic surgery in the first. I don't understand why the family they keep going. Well, I even got 70, I don't know how much it is, say 75,000, whatever.

No, you don't. None of you do, but you might have 5,000. You might have 10,000. Well, I think this is what David's trying to find. I think he's trying to buy the house. Yeah, but I think he's trying to find enough money to buy the deposit. Yeah, but that's again, if he had the deposit, he's got the money to give to Gail for the loan. Well, this whole story is another one of these I'm selling the house and it's just silly. It doesn't make any sense. Do you think that there's any chance at the

end of this? No. That the house doesn't belong to the plat. It's going to be a plat house. It's just ridiculous. Ever since that house has been built, a plat has lived in it and you can't say that about any other house on that street. Every other house has been owned by... Even number one was a tatlock house. Yeah, exactly. Every other house has been owned by multiple families and it's got to change sometime. But I don't see why this should be the story. And also the other thing that

everyone seems to be forgetting. David and Sarah, especially, is that when Gail sells the house and gets the money to pay off this loan and give Bethany some, she'll have some left over. Yeah, she's still homeless though. What's she going to do for a house? They keep talking about it like it's free money and like, oh, why is Jessie sniffing around because he wants the money? What? So he can hang out with a homeless woman. She's going to have to use the money. She's going to rent something

actually. I know, but you see what I mean. It's not free money that she's got from magicing it out of her asshole. She sold out where she lives. She doesn't have anywhere to live now. It's not free cash. It's all spoken for. She's going to have to move somewhere else. Well, like I said, I'm sure that they're multiple empty bedrooms in Grassmere Drive that she can move into. Audrey's just a cow. She's sitting on a loan of money. Nobody's asked the old dragon

reader. He's sitting on her pile of cash for a loan. She only gives to Sally. She's a website anyway. Carla, for some reason, comes having a look around the house because apparently she's decided she doesn't want to live in the flat. This was a weird development, but I kind of like to, yeah, I think honestly, if I was Carla or anybody on the street and I heard that that plats was up for sale and I hadn't been there, I'd want to have a look around.

Carla strikes me as more of a flatweller. I can't see her being like the homely tiger housemate. I can't see her getting my garden. No, exactly. She would definitely pave the hell out of that and stick a chimney in the back. Yeah, I think that having a whole house to herself is too much because it involves housework. She's got Bobby and Ryan to look after and maybe some of people. Maybe Lisa might come over there at some point. Yeah, so I think it was just a

little entertaining side story. I don't think there's any real risk in Carla. I wanted to move in. But I would go just to see the spot where a man was murdered in the live episode. You're heckin. Oh, yeah, that reminded me. David says today, oh, if we were to make a list of Sarah's top five dodgy as boyfriends, then Damon would definitely be at number one. I'm sorry, I would put Callum right at the top. Is this a patriot episode for us rating Sarah

is terrible relationship. Sarah's boyfriend. Yeah, yeah. Also, is this house devalued because number one, it's on a sinkhole and number two, it's the site of a burial. Well, yeah, didn't we have was it last year? I can't remember. Didn't Tyrone want to try and sell them a nine or something? And nobody's interested in it because it was in the same street as the sinkhole. And now literally they're trying to sell the house where the sinkhole opened up.

Oh, be easy. There's got to be quite a low price that they're asking for. I'd be shocked if she could sell it for even the amount that she needs to pay off Bethany's money. And you pointed out when we were watching it, this is Carla. Literally her dad died just down there. Yeah, because of the sinkhole that you're living over your grandfather's grave. That's morbid. I don't know, Carla is a bit of a morticia, but even mother's going a bit far. My guit's handy for work. It is very handy

for work. That's the commute down a treat. Yeah, yeah, you just step out your house and there it is, but no, I don't think Carla's going there. But David is kind of worried because he wants this house for himself and he tells Carla, look, you already lived somewhere. This is my family home bog off. And she says she's going to have to take it up with Gail. Sorry. Adam goes and visits there in the flat later. She's still worried about this missing money. She's got a bad feeling that Jesse

might have taken it and he's acting very vague about the whole thing. Adam says, well, there is possible that Jesse knew about it because me and Daniel were talking quite loudly about it in the pub. And I know that's usually fine. And the people in the background can't hear anything you're saying. We can't hear what they're saying. But in this case, I think Jesse might have over heard us talking about it. Sorry. So Sarah Lugo's back tells David about this and David's more shocked

to hear that Daniel and Adam know about the money. She's like, you need to be really careful about who you're telling about this money because this could come and bite you in the bum. I love the Sarah and David scenes. It feels it's not super rare that they have scenes together. But those two actors work so brilliantly with each other. They've they've had got 25 years worth of experience of playing brother and sister and they just bounce off each other perfectly.

What Ray was they were both front row Tina O'Brien was also in the front row posse in the in the cast. She is legend. She's brilliant. I rate Tina O'Brien so so highly. And yeah, these two together is always pretty much gold. Friday, we got Jesse. I mean, we've not seen Gail at all this week, have we? Considering this is the big Gail story and look, we brought back Jesse, we were going to bring back Martin. There's been a suspicious lack of Gail in it. And I think it just ties into the

fact that we've not seen that much this year. And I think that she probably did feature more heavily in the original shoots a bit when Sean Wilson was on set. And now they're now she's on. And now she's like, I'm not doing it again. Everyone else can do the reshoots, but I'm going to be off screen. And she obviously had the scenes where in the episode where Jesse first arrived. And last week's when she was in two episodes last week, wasn't she? When's the end of Friday?

It definitely was. I'm a bit worried that we're not going to see Gail again until they catch up with where they were going to be. Yeah. I mean, how different do you think your story is? Yeah, when she have put the house up for sale in the Martin plat story. I mean, I'm going to say that an awful lot of this story does sound like it could have fit Martin. Gail says that she met Martin in Thailand or maybe Martin just hears about Bethany's operation

and then decides to come back. Gail wants to buy a Gail wants to sell the house, to David and Sarah, a thing that Martin has stolen the money. I think an awful lot of this, you could have the story would have worked just as well with Martin in it as well. And that makes sense because there must have been, it must have been utter chaos when they realized that they had to do all those re-rides and to keep it as close as possible to the original story was probably

the easiest. And I know lots of people are down on this story but I don't believe it's Curry's fault and I would blame them for taking the easiest option in a very, very difficult situation. The easiest option is cross out Martin, right, Jesse? I think they've done a great job of covering

their tracks. It's a shame because I'd like to see more of the Gail and Eileen feud and maybe when we catch up to the point where they're not doing reshoots anymore, we'll start to see a bit more of that because we saw it on the first day but since then Eileen's been pretty much absent.

One thing I've noticed and we both noticed is that a couple of episodes recently you've seen, you've cut from a scene with a character and then you cut to the scene with the character in a different place doing something different immediately and normally Curry would never do that because unless you're following somebody, first of all, we had it today, we had David and Sarah inside the house and then you cut to a scene where Sarah is outside the house looking for a lost kid.

Yeah, normally they would never do that because they put something in between so to create the illusion of time passing in a non-confrontational way, like in a natural way. So just kind of, just those kind of things that are normally very polished on Curry, it shows how much work they've had to do to hide the cracks. I suppose the big thing here that wouldn't fit in the Martin storyline is that David and Sarah Lou are very suspicious of Jesse and I don't think they would be with Martin.

Well they would, I don't know. I think they might still wonder how Martin taken the money. I don't know if they're going to get a sense. But it makes more sense to be suspicious of Jesse. No, I think this section feels remade, I think this feels... I really, really want to know, I would love to know what the original scene was. This story... ...how close it was. With Jesse is made for Jesse because there's no reason for them to think

that they're dead stole and money. Well let's go through Friday's and see. So Jesse pops around and says, Gail's round at my house, she doesn't want to come over because everyone's horrible at number eight. This has clearly had a well-being available for filming here. Then he says to David, yeah Gail's ignoring your calls on purpose, if she's fed up with you not accepting the pair of us together and David's like, well I need to speak to her, I've got every right to not

want my house to be sold from underneath me. Thank you very much. I also think that legally you can't just, if they're tenants, you can't just sell the house and without... But they're tenants in a way that... No, it doesn't work like that. Adults and children. And it doesn't work like that. You have rights even if you're related to the person. Are they paying rent? I don't know. You still have rights. You can't just be kicked out because you're selling. And also, whoever buys it has to

be told there are tenants living here and they don't want the house to be sold. I wouldn't get involved in this if you paid me. So anyway, they go to the rovers, Jesse, Sarah Lew and David and Jesse's like, you got to trust me. I get that you were burned by some of Gail's exes and I think, oh Nick's there as well, isn't he? And this is where Nick says, well, drowned actually, my soul and reference. But Gail's, the Jesse says, look honestly, I'm on the level.

I've, the reason I've got a bit of money at the moment is because I've just sold me in my exes old place. Yeah, I've got my money. I don't need her money. Mind you, I think they should probably pull their money and buy some way together. Yeah. But then later on, Jesse has to make a hasty exit from the house because he gets, that's for the pub, sorry, because he gets a phone call and Sarah gives chase and she does a bit of sneaking around by the tram station where she sees him

meet up with and hug a woman. And she's like, oh my gosh, what's this? She's doing a bit of sneaking, but then she accidentally bumps into Logan who just happens to be there, loitering around. He seems to be following her. Yeah, it seemed like he was following her. He's involved in the money, isn't he? He stole the money. Do you reckon? Yeah, myself as a businessman, isn't it? There's not any reason why he would know

that the money was there, is it? Well, that is, all the crimson of weather fields have all got special social network of their own, yeah. If words on the street, the money, it is, didn't, didn't Adam go there and take some of it or not? I think we were led to believe he did because he found out about the money. The next thing you know, he's put a five hundred pound donation into Bethany's pot. He's rich. But we didn't see for sure that that's what had happened.

Yeah, so I think, I think he, yeah, he's hanging around, but I don't know why he's still following her around though. No, I'm not sure, I'm not sure about this at the moment unless he thinks we're off. But here you go. Logan was involving Mason in a robbery. Yeah. And now he's not. Yeah. Why? Because he's got money, because he's stolen it from the lock up. It would, it would make sense if it was him and I'm not, you know, I don't, I'm kind of on the

side of I don't really care. I know, I'm really, I didn't even give it any thought to be honest. It's one of these things where it's like, I know you want to entice me with this anything involving gangsters, Damon, stolen stolen money. Look up.

That couldn't be less interested in it really couldn't. But the whole stuff about what's Jesse getting up to when he went and hoped that woman, I was like, oh, I got to see, but it turns out that she's his ex wife Jane and Jane's not happy to hear that Jesse's already moved on to a new woman. But she says, yeah, well, she's, yeah, and then this doesn't go anywhere, does it? She says that when Jesse was inside, I was the one that cheated on him. He's actually a decent bloke,

apart from the fact that he's obviously gone to prison for something. So I don't know what's gone on there. There's no indication at all what Jesse went into. Presumably you can't go get sent down for crimes against children's entertainment, but just being terrible. Terrible puns, because you would have been arrested already. I know. What about animal cruelty? Maybe, maybe John didn't fly away. Oh, yes. David mentions John the parrot this week, doesn't he? And he's like,

what happened to you and your parrot? Did he, did you have artistic differences? Yeah. Something like that. Basically, he flew away. Glad that that got her reference. But I'm just going to say Corey. What? Why would a clown have a parrot? Yeah, everyone's got the cowboys have parrots. Stock re-right in history. He was not a clown. It's driving him mad. I don't think they've actually mentioned clown this week. It's driving me nuts. They're clearly trying to. Maybe they've

just kept. Maybe this is part of the original script. And Martin actually in Australia was a clown. Yeah, nobody wants to talk about that. Anyway, it's clear that Jesse has no idea about the money. Sarah tries to trick him, doesn't she? She's like, I know, wait, I know you took the money. I know you took the money. And he's like, I don't know what money. Yeah. The only other thing really that happens here is that Sarah loses her keys later. And we see that Logan has them. And he's

there looking very kind of grizzly. Maybe he. No, no. Why are they the keys to her flat or whether they're the keys to number eight? I'm not sure. Well, the only reason the link I'm manifesting here in my mind is that he knows the money was told the, he knows Adam knows where the money. If he's stolen the money, it's a bit of a weak coincidence that he stole this money right after Damon told Adam where the money was. There's nobody knew anything about it. And then one of Mason's

colleagues has gone to find the money and noticed it's missing. How often did he ever check? Then you see Logan, who was going to commit a crime and then decided not to. And he's clearly not above breaking an enter in. Seeing stalking Sarah. And the link there is Sarah and Adam. Because I can't think of why else Mason's brother would give a crap about Sarah who's nothing to do with anything. No, I don't see the link. Yeah.

So the link must be Adam and then and something to do with the money. But why and does he have the money? He can't. What does the key to Adam and there is no Adam. Adam actually stolen the money and is keeping his mouth shut about it while he decides what the hell to do with it. And Logan knows that he's the one that has the money and he's going to break in because he thinks that Adam lives at Sarah's house still or is he going to menace Sarah or

can I have a lift now? I can't remember. He was couch surfing with Dee Dee. Oh yeah. I don't know where he is now. I'm not sure. That's the only thing I can think that Logan's involved in the money because and that's why he thinks he's going to try and get a ride around. Yeah. I'm sure we'll find out more on the website. I'm sure we'll find out. Yeah.

I'm very keen to find out what Logan's like. I want to really like him because again, we follow the actor on Instagram and he's very excited about the reincarnation street and I hope that I can also enjoy the character of Logan when he when he is probably revealed next week.

One thing you can never accuse us of is not wanting to enjoy coronation street and wanting Corey to do well and wanting all the actors to have a great time and enjoy that being in the process and have a good experience and do that best and be enjoyable because that's all we want out of coronations to do. We do. Right. Blast through. What's been going on with Nick this week? You've done two stories in a row. Did you notice? Did I? Yeah. Oh, I thought. Oh yeah, you're right.

I did sorry. Yeah. What you can do to an arrive if you like that? I don't mind. Well, I do. You did say Jeb has had a bit of a headache today. How many of you have been there before? I've got a really sore wrist and my thumbnail hurts. What? Yes, it hurt but it's really hot. Oh, you feel it? You feel it? You feel a bit of a hot thumbnail. I think I've maybe. Somebody NHS direct that. I'd be sniffing it. I've had cats can tell if there's something

serious to do. Come on. What's been going on with Nick? He's struggling this week, isn't he? Oh, what probably made you read this last story instead of me was because I was doing a poll on on our Twitter about who you think killed. I've put the three suspects. I put the Bailey boys together and I put DD and Mason and none of the above. At the moment none of the above is winning for the 60%. Bailey boys got 9%. DD's got 28% and Mason's got 3%. Oh, okay.

And some people are commenting because I asked them to tell me what they thought. And if you've got some of Chris Horricks to say, I think whoever has a shot selling crowbars has some questions to answer. So, it's a side say they know their arms do you listen? Christopher and C thinks it's Anne Foster. But quite a few people got Joe Sheridan here and somebody else also, oh, Daniel said they think it's his dad. Yes, Gus has a man to avoid

suspicion here. I mean, that would be so, that would be mega-disappointing if it was Gus. Like a character that we've barely seen turns out to be the murderer. Sorry, that would be a question. That's even worse than when Anne Foster turned out to be the murderer of Frank because at least we knew somewhat what her character was like before. He was in more than just four episodes. We know next to nothing about Gus. That would be a real shame, but you're right,

it's not impossible. And we also had somebody who said who cares. And just so you know, if you say who cares or I don't care, you get added to my list of people onto it so he don't care. And then if you go and look at that list, it's some of the most miserable people on the whole internet. Okay, so, Toia, Nick Slyand's boyfriend, and Leanne, this is, right this down, this has never happened before. She's a bitch. Leanne, there's a bit of a bitch this week.

I can't believe this. Someone else's home is not just Gail. Now, our Toia is playing this by the end of the week. Poor Toia, you can go out and live. She and Gail can maybe shack up together. Well, yeah, how Jesse and Gail can start some kind of commune. So on Monday, Monday's episode is women at the bistro fancy. She was quite a nice looking woman, aren't she? Yeah.

She's kind of given a few glad eyes towards Nick and David notices and Sam. So does Sam. Yeah, Sam's seeing this happen and he's not really happy and he puts her off when no one's looking. He to Nick, Sam tells this woman that Nick's engaged. I think that this is these are Sam's new glasses this week. I remember Jude Ruden putting on Instagram a few months ago. All Sam's got some new glasses, but I've not actually investigated this, but he is looking older now, isn't he?

He has been on the show for quite a while. I know. He still feels new in like a little baby. He's still does. He's got a very kind of baby face, hasn't he? He's going to be one of these ones that suddenly suddenly comes an adult. What do you remind me a little bit of, oh, he played Graham Haperfall. Yeah. Haperfall played Jerry Beath. He always had a nice cute face to me. Yeah. In my head, he's still a very indecisive young,

preteen child, but he's not. It's growing in from man. A couple of years. He's going to be going, oh no, no, yeah, he's so funny, but he's not changed. He's very sweet. He's very sweet. At all, he's just as brilliant. Well, he's Machiavellian. Absolutely love Sam. On Monday because he puts this woman off and Nick sort of tells Sam's, tells Nick I want you and Leanne to make friends. I know you're not actually engaged in what

I said was a lie, but maybe you could be a next like this. It's not going to happen. Oh, yeah. He tells the woman that Nick's engaged, doesn't it? And Sam's saying, I miss my mum. This is the anniversary week of the Horanation Street where Johnny and Natasha died. Yeah, but I think people might be a bit confused. You even knew what I was because it was obviously a Halloween themed thing, but it didn't happen

at Halloween. It was two weeks before. But I totally am on board with starting Halloween on the first of October and just continuing. So on Wednesday, Sam and Ruby at the bus stop, I feel so sorry for this. Again, I said this before. He's experiencing so much upheaval because of the messy personal lives of all the adults that are supposed to be in charge of him. Yeah, he seems to be the most mature of them all. I know.

Maybe look, he's shacking oysters on Wednesday, isn't he? Do you think that you're seeing any potential romantic, anything between Sam and Ruby? I think her older sister is given in the heave hove. It would be brilliant because Hope would not accept this. Hope would hate. I would love just the sparks to fly there. Ruby's got her head screwed on. She's not, you know, as mature or clever as Sam, but I think that that could possibly work. They're too similar for

it to really feel like a fascinating relationship, but without Hope's intervention. I think if Hope gets involved, it could actually be really good fun. Yeah, I'd just want Sam to have a nice girl. I'd kind of want to protect Sam. I don't want him to have his heart broken. I know, I feel like some kind of distant relative. I'd quite like to see some kind of a quite adloved, I'm kind of seeing a curly rack hell thing for Sam. No, don't curse anybody with that.

He's still a little young, but it's not going to be too long before he gets the first proper girlfriend. Hope would burn your house down for some sense, not a proper girlfriend. So anyway, he's talking about moving because Nick's still looking for some way to for them to live, and he doesn't know where he's going to end up and he's going to be away from everybody. He's found

this new place, but there's light pollution. Oh, yeah, because there's a football stadium near Biles, and she's like going, I know you're just upset because Nick and Leana splitting up, but Greenhouse are always doing that kind of thing. Yeah, she says that Fizz and Tyrone has split up many times over the years. Don't worry about it. Just ride it through, and I think this is partly

what spur Sam on on Wednesday to try and... He tries to have them along a little bit. So he invites Nick over to watch a film, and Nick's like, okay, all right, but this is all part of Sam's ruse. The answer being a bit to Nick in the in the B-Striulator, I don't know if I think you can just assume that's happening unless we tell you otherwise. Yeah, she's got good reason too. She's got every bloody reason to give him a civil word. I know, but it's somehow. She's coming up as the

one that's in the wrong. I know. I know. This is why I'm not really enjoying it, because again, it seems like it's just going heading right towards the inevitable reunion between Nick and Toya, and most both because they're all poor Nick, poor Nick, isn't the one being a cow. He cheated on her. He deserves her, Ia, and Spun, and... And score on exactly. Well, she's not letting up. I have what team Liam here. Sam, this was, I was shocked at Sam doing this, because if he can find oysters,

he can find gloves and a knife. He had a knife. No, a proper oyster shucker, and I can't believe that Sam would ever attend this without a safety equipment, and it also thinks that the sort of YouTube video he was watching would have told him to make sure that he had safety equipment, and you're supposed to use a towel to put against your hand. I don't buy that he would have... I don't know his only little. So he cuts himself inevitably, and then leaves the fish to rot on the

side. So I can't imagine what that flat smelled like after they came back from the hospital. He goes to see Asha, and she takes him to the hospital. She's a paramedic, don't you know? I know, I love Asha in this story. I'm a inclusion, I don't see that do much for a while. I can just imagine Asha in about 10 years' time when we're rattling off Asha's updated character profile, going, oh, do you remember when Asha took Sam to the hospital when he cut himself?

Not really. Oh, and yeah, of course that was when Nick and Toya got together, and they're still happily going down there. They're still getting strong, but he's better, yeah. Right, so she takes him to the hospital, and Nick gets a phone call from Asha to say that it's what's happened, and he hurries off and the end looking concerned. So, it's basically this episode, yeah, I know what. Nick's is like, yeah, I know what. I know that our feud has now been...

Effective the child. Yeah, made our child. Draw blood. Exactly. So Nick's saying in hospital to Sam, I appreciate what you were trying here, but we're not getting back together. So... I wonder where they're like, you think when Dedy confronted Joel in the car, she was like, let's just talk this through, let's just crack open some oysters and try and chat this out, and that's why she's got a cut hand. Yeah, do you think

she tried to... Maybe that man prized an oyster open with a crowbar, and I could just whack him with a crowbar to save yourself from cutting your palm. So, they're both agree on the end of Wednesday's episode to try to be more civil because it's upsetting Sam. So, on Friday, Nick, because he's dotting on the sofa at number eight, is getting in everyone's way. Did you spot... Well, I'm not

asking you, I'm asking the listeners. I didn't spot it. Thank you very much to the person on the coronation street red at the point of this held, that there was a massive error that gets through in the script here. Shona says to Nick, while you're staying at Gary and Sarah's house. Gary and

Sarah, what are you on? How on earth did that get through? As a side, I didn't notice it because part of the time I'm tapping away on the computer and I don't always catch everything everybody says, but that was like a massive, massive mistake in the script and somebody should have spotted that. Apart from the fact that, you know, these were the reshoots, this is the this is the leeway I'm

going to give it. These were the reshoots. They were probably cranking out, seen after seen after seen after the the Sean Wilson debacle and maybe they did hear it, but then if they'd seen it, they probably would have just snipped it, wasn't they? I'm not going to say... I'm not going to say... Or dubbed over it. I think it's perfectly possible that Shona said Gary and Sarah's without in real life you might say this because you're referring to the fact it was their house at one

point, but it doesn't make sense that it's in the script. I mean, you've heard me speak on the podcast and every week I say the wrong name multiple times in an episode just as a slip of the tongue. So these things happen, but yeah, they don't usually... I think it's just again, some of the cracks are showing with the huge scramble and the hurt-g-in effort that has gone into rewriting, massive parts of it and reshooting this heroic effort that they've done. Of course, there are

going to be a couple of mistakes and we're definitely... Well, I'm not going to say of course mistakes, but I think mistakes can be forgiven more, but well done to whoever's doing that. I don't think it's possible to just never make a mistake. Well, and I'm going to go on record to say that

because I've made many... Covered your back now. Right, so yeah, for four days when he's, you know, Nick saying just so you know it's the anniversary of Natasha's death, so it's probably going to be a bit sad and also it was your house's fault and probably someone's going to underbid because of that.

So Leanne finds Nick in the in the pub later and he's talking and she's saying, oh poor Sam was talking about his mum and their sad about it and Leanne tells Toia, well no, this this conversation, so Leanne and Nick have this conversation in the pub and we don't hear a lot of it, but then Toia gets told by Leanne, I've decided that we should move out of the flat so that Nick

can move in with Sam. Yeah, Toia was, I mean, that makes sense. I said this month ago whenever they first broke up, why the hell has Nick moved out of his own place and left his son to be looked after by somebody who's not related to him, but hey, okay, they finally caught up, I guess. So Toia was like, yeah, that actually makes more sense than us living there with his son and Leanne says,

yeah, well, I'm going to move into the salon flat by myself. So they said that Craig is now living with Kirk, so I think you'll never see him again, yeah, because there's no set for Kirk at the moment. So they're going to move into the salon flat which I took a long time to remember who that was, but I think I remember it mostly when Kate lived there. Yeah, yeah, she was there for a

bit, wasn't she? Yeah, so that's the one that's... But I'm going to be mostly curious flat. It's the one that's a little, it's got a little kitchen in the background, in the background and then to the, to the left of that is the seating area and in front of the kitchen is a sofa. Yeah, it has been fairly, fairly frequent use in the ages, but Toia's like, oh, I thought about it and I'm fine,

it makes sense and everything's everything's okay. And so she helps her to pack and then going through everything and Toia looks like she's really putting a brave face on, but she's like, yeah, I don't mind, I should be by myself too. I guess I'll just look and find somewhere about this later place. I'm kind of curious to see what happens with Toia where she moves in and does she get a new flatmate and does she start to get involved in someone else's storylines

equally? There's the worry that she's going to move it with Nick. Well, I don't think it's okay to moving it. I think that Nick will... Well, she always listen. Nick's going to say, she's going to say, sorry, Nick, I'm trying to find somewhere to live, but turns out the piton she pay me and the hours that I get working in your proxy place, I can't afford to live by myself. Yeah,

so they say, well, come on, just live here until... Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, if I'm with the man. In fact, if I was Toia and I know Toia still does have the hots for Nick a little bit and she's trying to repress those feelings, but seriously, Leanne's not going to be happy with saying, oh yeah, that's fine Toia, you stay living with Nick. I totally trust you. If I was Leanne here, I'd be saying, look, I don't want you to stay with me, but much rather you were staying with me for the next

few weeks while you found somewhere to live than moving in with me. Well, she sure herself in the foot here. This is, this is on Leanne partially because leaving Toia in the flat with her boyfriend, stupid move. Yeah, exactly. Oh, it is a stupid move. Well. Well, it's in the pursuit of victory, so I'll give her a pass. Sam goes to the bistro and takes like a barrel of peppercorns from Nick so they can have eggs with it and Sam tells him that Leanne's going to move out and he

says, next year I'll have the anniversary of losing two mums on consecutive days. That's the joke. And it's just a funny joke. And Nick's like, you're not losing her. She will not leave children alone. Yeah, that was quite a sweet. So Sam and Nick had some lovely little bondy scenes this week. I enjoyed. I also just before we move on because again, this is a very long street talk. I appreciated the Les Battersby reference. He got a good 30 seconds of script dedicated to him

today, didn't he? When Leanne and Toia were talking about, have you spoken to Les about what's going on in the hands? Like, oh yeah, I phoned him up. He was at a wrestling match or something. And I'd love to know, is this inspired by Bruce Jones's recent foray into the world of professional wrestling? I think it kind of has to be. Is it a bit matter? Yeah. So with Janice Ann Les, have both got a mention this year. Janice got a mention when Toia had a cancer early in the

year and she said, I'm not telling her what happened. So it's nice to know that they still exist. They just don't ever want to visit weather fields again, despite whatever terrible dramas they're children are going through. So thank you very much from a long-term fan. Any thoughts on this, anything else you want to share or other, you can't shake the head of the podcast. Okay, the only thing I'm thinking is, are we ever going to see Toia and Leanne in her flat? Are they really going

to resurrect that flat set for Just Toia and Leanne? Because it's really rare that a character will live by themselves. They've got Sean living with Dylan, which I think is a bit of a luxury from the perspective of studio space. Given how huge the cast is, it totally makes sense that most characters live together because apart from the fact that it makes scenes easier between different characters, it's also really hard to fit physically, space for everyone to have a set.

And so the fact that Leanne is going to move out makes me think, she's either going to move in with somebody else, somebody else is going to live with her fairly quickly or we're not going to really see this her living space because, or are we going to see Craig and Kirk's living space? Because now they've mentioned in one episode two sets that they don't have. Yeah, a few retired sets. So what are they going to do? They're going to bring them both back

all because because something's got to go somewhere else. I think that putting Craig in there is putting them out to pass just to be honest. I'm going to say it could be the rejuvenation of both Craig and Kirk to put them together but not interested. And I don't think that Leanne is going to want to share with anyone. No, you don't have to. In real life lots of people say now I want to live on my own and that's perfectly fine. But Leanne is not the person, the sort of person who would

willingly want to share a plan with somebody who's not her family. Again, I'm talking from a through the production perspective the same way we were talking about who killed Joel. There are two parallel considerations, production and story. Yeah, yeah, no, she's not going to have anyone there. So are we going to see her though in there or not? Because this is a bit of a death knell for for Leanne's character. Yeah, stick her up. Not having us to home set is a big deal. I think that

she's legacy character enough and important character enough. Well, she's got the beast stray to be in. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But I think it's a band, I think it's band for her character to not have a set that you can see her. I'm kind of interested now because I think that a reunion with Nick is possibly not on the cards at this point, but I'm kind of interested to see her get a new man. I'd like to see her happy and very happy. I wanted to be with a new character. I

don't want to be with anybody. I'd quite like there to be a new character created who is actually good for Leanne and just give us a bit of something nice. Right. Well, who we have seen the last of this week, segueing into our next story is stew. Did you go into this week thinking knowing that stew was going to be gone? I knew that he was leaving and it was coming up. Yeah, I knew he was leaving and he was coming up. Because he went on that. Yeah, Bill Biffell has a set about it.

But I did not think it was happening this week. If I did, I would have put stew as our character profile this week and not bath. And what? He went on a Monday. Yeah, it was a huge, huge surprise for me when he was like, well, I'm going then because basically on Monday's episode, he just kind of dropped the bottom shelf out of nowhere. Well, I'm going back to Germany then. And Dom says that he can stay there.

There's a job going from a depot or something and he has means like, oh yeah, okay. She's just carried all this shit. It really speaks volumes about the relationship between stew and he has mean that she was so accepting of the fact that he is moving back to Germany. Well, she's like, if he says what you want and then he says, she says to him, you know that you're probably going to have to come back after 90 days. Yeah, because that's how long you can work there

now because thanks to Brexit. Yeah, coming back. But the way she says it is almost like she's saying, you're not coming back after 90 days though, you are going. I just think, you know, although I've not really been shipping Yasmeen and stew and in many ways stew has dragged Yasmeen right down over the past few years, I'm kind of I was kind of led to believe that they did have a fairly good relationship. They had complications like where he thought that she was going after Roy and

he was worried that he wasn't clever enough for her. And obviously there was the falling out of her Mason. But I didn't think it was enough to say, well, I'm going off you go then. It was quite similar to Carla and Peter splitting up. It was just like, oh, okay. Maybe I'm misremembering, but I thought that there was a story thread where they were they were having issues with intimacy or they weren't sharing a bed or a bedroom or something like Yasmeen wouldn't physically,

like commit physically to a romantic relationship with two. I think that was more at the beginning. I know. And then they kind of overcame it. But if you had told me they hadn't and I dreamt that solution, I would believe you because I don't know how you can go from waking up in the morning next to somebody to them saying to you, lunchtime, I'm going and leaving you and you go, well, let's just have a drink before you go. That's what you say to somebody that you work with.

They do work. There's definitely the possibility that there have been signs all along and I do kind of my brain switches off a little bit when we have the speed dial scenes. So it could have been telegraphed, but as far as I'm concerned, it was a bit of a damp squib of an exit. They have the drink in the pub, my stew tells Mason, you're a truck and a little cook, you. I've got a bit Scottish now for some reason. I can't I can't do stews accident at the best times anyway. I've

already been told on Facebook this week. He's not actually from Newcastle. But anyway, he bogus off. He puts his guitar on his back, his tramp hat on his head and off he goes down the street and that's the last we see of him. It was really funny though that he walks down the street and he turns around. Yes, means kind of waved him off at the door. He's literally two or three steps down the road, turns around. Yes, he's already shut the door in his face. Close the door and

that part of a life. Yeah, he's not even enough to watch what's been whisperally disabired. Where are you going? She's done. She's cut him out. He's dead to her now. I think I got a tea. Yeah, but I did like that he had his homeless man attire on at the end. That was at least that book ends in appearance is somewhat next morning. Again, Monday was a two-dayer. Mason comes into Speed-Darling tells her that he's decided to quit. We knew that from the other

storyline and he's found a job at a garden centre and she says, oh, good luck then. And now she's on her own again. Yes, fine, whatever. What what an earth is Beth is next for? But he has me. Maybe. I really don't know. Maybe Toya can move in with Yasmin. I guess she could. She's got no audience in there. Both clever, kind of academic learner to people aren't there. I don't know what I'm saying. I think Lee Yang should move in with Yasmin. Oh my gosh. They would not think each other.

Passive, aggressive. I think that somebody else would get a class and I just I mean what what is going to happen with Yasmin now because it's been what three years, four years since the since the Jeff Saga finished off and Yasmin really has been a shadow of her former self since then. I mean, Ali is going to come back at some point, isn't she? So the house isn't going to be empty for long. But I do really worry that they don't know what to do with Yasmin.

They don't. Maybe she's going to leave. I hope not. No. But I just do not know. I've got no clue or solutions for how to how to save Yasmin. I don't know what I'm just saying because she was riding so high. Yes, me. That's a massive control story. But if she was to leave, what would they do with that house? You can't have Ali alive in there by herself. I mean, it's always possible. And I don't think you know, I don't know anything. It's always possible that sec

decided not to come back. I think she is. I know that it's you know, I know. But I'm just saying it's not it's not unheard of for a woman to have a baby and say my priorities are completely changed. We've got a new producer coming in. Do they kick Yasmin and Ali are out and bring in a new family? That's that's always a producer move isn't it? A new producer move. So I'm going to have my pet family. Number six is a bit of a turnstile. I mean, the nazi is have been living there for a decade now.

They've been there. They've been one of the basics. I'm going to say I'm going to say that's prime territory for a Kate Brooks endorsed new family to come in. It will be interesting to see Kate Brooks surely has got to got to bring a family in. Because that's just what producers do. Not always, but pretty much. Maybe. If I would make it, would it make it? If you were a new producer, would you like one and bring a family in? Or do you think it's too risky and scary?

I'd like to make my mark and leave my legacy after I was gone. At least I could say I brought them. I did this and I did that. And that's the that's the kind of one of the easiest way to sort of stamp your cell phone on the show is to make a family. But you know, it's so risky. Yeah, exactly. I mean Ian McLeod is still the guy who brought in the Bailies and they are arguably at all these years later still not very well established. I'm not going to say they're a dud family, but they're

not exactly iconic. I think they've got a lot of critics. Yeah, yeah. I personally quite like the Bailies, but I can see that they're not as integrated as they should be for families. It's been there so long. Even though I think that the news is really there's only one left. I think we will do a character profile of Stu fairly soon, you know, at some point in the next month. So we can talk about points like remember when the light. What happened to Lucy and Bridget?

I was convinced that we get a little bit more about that. And I'm pretty I'd like I'd probably put money on the fact that Coronation Street had plans to uncover more about the fact that the mum actually killed the waitress. Yeah, I think it's obvious I saw that. And not the daughter. That must have been a plan at some point, but they just don't know how to handle that. Yeah. And also the the whole thing where Mason drove into Eliza last year. He's got away with that,

hasn't it? Nobody knows it was him still. No, no. Which is weird. Because I thought that would be part of she's leaving story. Yeah, so did I. I thought that maybe he would find that out about Mason. And then he'd say, oh, I don't trust you anymore Mason. I put all my trust in you. I'm a bad person. I'm thanks, Germany. Yeah, exactly, but oh well. It doesn't make any sense that they put those two characters together with that backstory. No, never brought up a light of being on either. No,

look, let's hold fire on our stew thoughts. We're already way overrunning this this week. We say we started recording this when was it quarter past seven? We said the same thing. It's now half past ten at night. We still haven't even finished Street tour yet. We had really skimming down this pool story, Gemma. Do you want to give a, because it wasn't not much happened. It was just a few character moments of Gemma being sad and having no money, which we've seen plenty of times

before. Well, there's a ski trip at the school who would have guessed that that would have happened. And Joseph wants to go in there worrying about how they're going to pay for it. Again, the winter browns financial situation makes mockery of the whole idea of what I don't know what they're doing it, because it goes without saying he can't, like he can't go skiing. They can barely

keep food. But what has wear Grammy Linda? I don't think she can't be better. It's the story with the magic wand that's supposed to wave it so that everybody can get all they want, but they could barely scrape by as it was they were having dramas. And now Gemma's not even working. And Dev's trying to, Chess and he's trying to get shifts from Dev and he's like, no, I can't give you anymore, but I will let you do a deep clean at the cabab shop so that you can get the money for

that instead of me paying somebody else. I've just made me remember something that we saw when we went to see the set in the summer about the cabab shop. I don't remember at all. You don't remember. I'm not going to tell you now because we can't, but you don't remember something that we saw. No, I'll tell you when we pause it in a minute. Oh, maybe I do. Yes, I do remember. Interesting. Okay, so Joseph and, yeah, Joseph decides he doesn't want to go on this

game to it because it's causing too much drama. And he over here is Gemma saying, oh, we can't afford it. And Chess and he says, it tells you, you know, go to see Rita, Gemma, because you're sad, why Rita can't help them out. Yeah, she'll do it and go and see Rita, she'll give you the cab. She'll write you a check. To be fair to Rita, she'd given money every time I said she should, she definitely would have only left by now. So Joseph says, I heard that we can't afford it,

and Chess and he says, if you go, it will make Gemma happy. But again, she's getting panicky about him hurting himself, isn't she? And she's done this before. Like she gets paranoid about people getting hurt. I think she has. So on Friday, they buy him ski goggles and Jenny's, Jenny's like fretting because she's having to cover Gemma's shifts because she's not working. She's on grief. Grief leaf. Grief leaf. Grief in leaving. Grief in leaving. And she's trying to

sort of encourage Chess need to get Gemma to come back to work. She's saying, you know, maybe she could do an odd hour or so. Yeah, she doesn't have a bit of a cac-handed way, doesn't she? Which she admits when she goes to see Gemma later. And she, and again, she lands herself in it when she tries to explain to Gemma and says, sorry if I was being, sorry if I was being clumsy, but you know, at the

end of the day, you've got a job and it's not you're not doing it. And do you want to come back or not? And most people, I don't know how long she's had off. Well, Paul's been dead for, I don't know when did he die. Exactly. Four weeks ago. Yeah, I mean, most people get two weeks for a close family member, which is what she's had double. And you know, it's really horrible. I think, you know, in an ideal world, you'd have as long as you wanted. But again, I was looking at the, it just happened

to be out at school today. And I don't know whether, I think it's just a, I don't know whether it's like a Southampton council policy or something, but three days is what you are entitled to to close family members. It schools. Well, I don't know whether it's a school thing or it's a Southampton council thing. Oh, I see. But it's, we, you know, in real life, you give your employees what you feel is a reasonable amount. And I certainly got longer than three days off of school when my mum died.

The, the idea that you would expect somebody to come and do a job like teaching, that on the fourth day after a close family member has died is utterly ridiculous. Yeah.

I can see what Jenny's saying to Gemma like, maybe it might help you. I mean, you can always try and see at the moment, Gemma's spending a lot of time crying and skulking around and wearing pools onesie, which by the way, correction corner, thank you very much to, I can't remember sorry who it was now pointed out to me that Gemma, so sorry, Paul was seen wearing that black and white onesie at one point last year. So it wasn't invented for this story just because they didn't have

the rights to be able to use the, well, we don't think you have the rights to do. Well, not the right, you know, it's exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got, I've got, I've got mixed feelings about this because I definitely, I'm on the side of anybody. He needs to take as long as they, they want. But on the other hand, I don't feel like it's, it's, again, it's a bad demonstration of the, the dire situation that being in poverty puts you in because she wouldn't have the luxury

of even taking a day off, really. Well, I'm just worried about the rovers going to go under again. Poor old Jenny. She's been, well, no, because Jenny's not paid, I'd assume she's not paying her. Oh, I don't know. I kind of, why would she be paying her when she's not coming in? It depends, yeah, it depends what she's entitled to, doesn't it? I don't think she's entitled to being paid for a month or not coming in. But if Jenny is kind of being run ragged,

if Jenny's being nice and giving her, if she's providing isn't. Yeah, but if Jenny's being nice and actually giving Gemma money for not coming in, then yeah, no wonder she's, she can't hire anybody else, she doesn't have any money. So anyway, Gemma eventually says, I'm going to go back to work. Yes. Which perhaps might be a bad idea. Well, I think it's been set up to be a bit of a fail. Because the thing about it is similar to your job in that it's, you're, you're required

to be on a spot. You've got to get on a spot. Social with people when you don't want to. And they're very challenging social interactions, being a teacher and being, being a barmaid, very similar jobs. But you know, I don't think I've got to sling many people out in your life. But you know, I'm saying it is exhausting. It's social. You're talking to dozens of people in a day and your interactions have to be very carefully thought about. Yeah. You can't just, you can't act how you feel

when you're a teacher or a barmaid. You have to be, be impositive and encouraging. Yeah, it's one hundred percent. I've got to put on a show. Yeah. Lid on a scream all the time. So, state with the way. Yeah, nothing really. It was Monen. Yeah, has Gadas gone round? Or do we see it go round? Well, she's got a cough and Gadas is blaming. Oh, yeah, that's right. The vapes. Yeah. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah. If it isn't Tyrone, just have a nice start to the day

when Monday begins the middle of Monday's episode. Yeah. Let's be fine. Let's just stop worrying about it now. Let's not have this story anymore. Let's not talk about it. That is it. Whew! Right. What a long street talk that was nearly three hours. I hope you enjoyed that. And people tell us that they're like the long ones. But I think that this street's murder mystery certainly warranted an extended discussion. A lot of it was going over stuff that's happened

in previous weeks with the... With all the clues, yeah. Yeah. It was a bumper pack of stories to unpick this week. What are you going to give it school-wise? I enjoyed. I enjoyed, yeah, I enjoyed this week more than you did. I think I'm going to give this for holes in a porky-pine's backpack. Oh yeah, that was a good one. Showed no other. Yeah, you gave it more bang-ins

on the street talk shorts, but I was kind of iring more towards for as well. I think it was the intrigue of the murder mystery made it a bit more than the kind of three and a half in the mid-long, and I'm going to give it four cake-to-bugs, which is the rather unpleasant image that David painted of 30th poor state of the plumbing at number 8 when Carlin Ryan came visiting. So yeah, four cake-to-bugs out of five. In a sense, I kind of would like Carlin to buy the flat's house just to see what she

would decorate it like. Oh yeah. I think that would be nice. You're unrecognizable in that. It would be very... She said she was going to rip the whole thing out, so... No, she did with the toilet, didn't she? No, the whole thing, everything, all the house. Anyway, who's your character to the

week Michael? Yeah, really difficult one. Yeah, I'm kind of... In a way, we're iring towards somebody like Ed, even though he wasn't really a main player in the week, but I really, really was sympathising him this week, kind of getting dragged into this whole thing just because, you know, because Ronnie was taking the lead a little bit. Debbie was magnificent as usual. Debbie, absolutely brilliant. I love the fact that she knew, once she worked out that there was no good reason

that Ronnie had Joel's address in his satnav. She was like, I don't care that he's his birth, I'm going to ask him straight what the hell are you doing? Debbie effortlessly lifts an episode just by appearing in it. So I used to say that with Abby, and Abby doesn't do that quite so much like that, but it feels like we don't know. Abby's in a bit of an envelope at the moment, which is the shame. Sorry, not you, Abby. Abby and Nina. The cat is like looking at Gemma at the

web again. What do you want? She's sitting on my lap. Abby and Nina appeared today in the first time in ages. Abby's been kind of at semi-spiriting, but I like her. Yeah, she's definitely been under a rock somewhere. Abby today. Yeah, so I don't know whether to go for Ed or whether to go for D.D. Swain. I've actually really enjoyed David this week as well. You know, he's been consistently solidly funny. Right. But it feels like it should go to somebody in the murder mystery story.

I'm not going to go for D.D. because she's been just a bit too much of a blubbering wreck this week. I'm going to... Maybe Joel because I... So Harry's been good. Joel, because he appeared post-death, which is always brilliant. I'm tempted to give it to Debbie because Debbie... I love that. I would go for it. She uncovered a very important clue. What? The fact that I was with the address in.

And I loved also that she is immediately suspicious and wants to know an explanation, whereas most other soap characters would just like see it and brew David and Google it and try to find out without confronting him. And she's so she's just like twice in the episode, even though it's his birthday. She's like, what the hell is this? I'm going to go... David this week, I think, as much as I did appreciate Ed's inclusion, I think David was solid throughout the week.

He's a certified coronation street legend. He's still not, you know, right? He's still not leading a main story in the same way that he did five, ten years ago. He wasn't for a while, but yeah, he was great this week. Well done, Jack P. Okay, well that last is the end of this week's street talk. Very much looking forward to Monday and finding out who's going to have a flashback next. We've got a lot of space on that photo. Do you want to make a prediction for who?

It's like the opposite of the photo in back to the future where people keep disappearing, that one. People keep appearing. Yeah, who do you think we're... I'm thinking we're going to get a swane. Carla and Swain. I don't... I think that Carla is nothing to do with this. Really do. I think we might get, you know, we're going to get multiple flat, oh, sort of flashbacks from characters who have already had one sport, maybe. But yeah, I'm thinking Swain. I kind of want there to be a kit

one, but it almost feels like as soon as there's a kit flashback, it's going to be... We'll find out it's him. The thing is, the longer we go on and the more flashbacks we see and the more we don't see from certain people, the more obvious it will become, it's actually them. Yeah, but it's nice twist on the usual who done it because Corey has not used flashbacks in this way for a who done it before. I really hope it's not Joel's dad. Yeah, that would be such a letdown. We're going to have

a flashback from Gus, honestly. Swain, Swain flashback on Monday, please. Right, we're done. Maybe a Betsy one, because do you think that was Mason's flashback? It was, wasn't it? Not Betsy's. Yeah, for sure. We're done. Yeah. We're done. Right, let's get on with some news. On to the cabin. This isn't going to be like last week's cabin, which managed to run for about an hour. Well, we're certainly not going to be complaining about the things we're talking about today.

But we're not having a rant. It's not. It's not. Yeah, last week we had our coronation street visited by Sarah Ferguson and they had another special guest on the cobbles this week, which was Marty Pello. I feel it in my fingers. Christmas is all around me. Yeah, Marty Pello from Wet Wet Wet visited coronation street this week because it's another breast cancer thing. Is this the coronation street is the place to go

if you want to raise a wedding to breast cancer, apparently. The rain Kelly has a breast cancer campaign campaign called Change and Check. Yes, and she every year she has been going for a few years. It sounds like and this week Marty Pello has been well this year, Marty Pello has been working with her to raise awareness of the campaign and they're doing a song together, aren't they?

They're doing a song that's going to be in the charts. Maybe I can't really put the pieces together about why Marty Pello went to coronation street and his big love is all around us. But it's got us talking about it. So I guess that's what they wanted. Any thoughts or feelings about Marty Pello, Gemma. No. He's more kind of a sort of person that maybe our mums would be more into. I don't know. I don't know anything about. He's achieved more than I ever will in my

entire like in five minutes than I will in my life. So good, you know. Nice to know that he's still keeping busy all these years after wetting the whole other thing. He's using the mighty power of the wet wet fanbos to help people. I say that they should have got Paul Heaton on coronation street this week, who's one of my favourite artists because he had a new album out last week and it's actually got a coronation street reference in it. There's a song called Silly Me and Ken and Didry

get a shout out in the bridge in the middle, which I took me by completely surprise. I was just doing the washing up last Saturday. Oh, it's like me listening to the podcast. It was, yeah. Listen to the song last Saturday. My first listener is like, oh my gosh, they're reference Didry and Ken in a song one of my favourite artists. I'm surprised that there haven't been lots of coronation street references. He does like to be kind of poor and old and isn't it? No, he's from Hull.

Well, he thinks about Manchester. Yes, I think Manchester is definitely his second home. It's obviously not a proud mancunian. I apologise. But if somebody ever was stupid enough to call me a proud mancunian, I would take it because I think that we can all be proud of Manchester. Absolutely. But anyway, I've got nothing to say about Marci Palo other than he's been to

coronation street this week and some people have had photos with him. One of the worst things in this country that we do is to bicker with each other and divide ourselves up geographically and hate. I think we should all be proud of each other and all doing hands and check for breast cancer, but only yourself don't check other people's. What a hive of scum and villainy. We know we've got some more people. Whatever I see it, it looks like Dubai.

Shelley King and Julie Hesman-Houd are working together on another charity thing. It's all very charitable the news this week. They've been working with modern slavery charity Causeway for their stand-with-survivors campaign. So their friend in this new campaign, which is aiming to raise awareness of modern slavery. The coronation street did a bit of a job with this. It's been it twice really, hasn't it? We had the Marta storyline and then the Alina storyline

afterwards. So we know that it's definitely a thing. But I still get surprised by the figures. Apparently there's 50 million people estimated involved in modern slavery worldwide. Talking about T-boy. But... Carry on. 100 million. No, 100,000 of those are apparently in the UK. And that figure really did surprise me. 100,000 slaves in the UK. That is terrible. I think you're supposed to say enslaved people.

What did I say? Saves. Well, you know, whatever. They just, they don't care what they call it. They just sort of want to be out of it. So this, this survivor's campaign is supposed to be raising awareness of it. It's going to be educating the public about science to look out for. So if there's somebody that you come into contact with that might be a secret slave, you'll be able to find

out about it. And Shelley King has said, cause way worked tirelessly to support modern slave survivors to build their lives back up again, empowering them to live freely and without fear. However, the reality is that modern slavery is on the rise. And that's what's important. As a community, we come together to build a world free from modern slavery. And when nobody is left vulnerable and exposed to exploitation, honestly, I completely stand by this. It's

shocking that this can still happen. It's disgusting. It's disgusting. It's disgusting that it happens anywhere. But the fact that that people are being treated like that here is disgusting. And I think if you can, if you can learn how to spot signs of things, there are certainly places that are more, you're more likely to perhaps spot something that you might be suspicious of. Yeah. And I think good job, good job on calls way. Forget it. Julie Hesman has a different

you campaign because she's great. And everybody loves her really. There's apparently somebody from EastEnders and somebody from Emmerdale. I think also being involved with it. But we don't care about that. Do we? It all helps. It all helps. It all helps the cause way. And they're only other better news that was worth mentioning this week, I think, because there's switch up to the schedules again in Coronation Street. And I say, I have a football thing going on. I don't

know. But next week, we got Monday. There's on Friday. There is a massive conquered. Next Friday, there's a massive conquered tournament. And there's no Coronation Street. So what that means for the recording of this podcast, I don't know, even earlier, maybe, but we got Monday, Wednesday, and then Sunday for the final episode. So yeah, we're, I guess we're going to just be talking about

Monday and Wednesday's, Corey. Or do we release the podcast on Sunday because presumably they're putting on Sunday's episode up on ITVX at seven o'clock in the morning and we could watch it then and record it then. I don't know. Keep an eye on our social media. And I'm sure we'll let you know once we've decided because we haven't had this conversation yet. But just in case you switch your TV on on Friday, saying, where is Coronation Street? The news is there's not on. Okay. So you've

just got a couple to look out for. Anything else, Gemma? No, there's no other news. No other news. Fine. Well, let's go. I want to know what everyone else thought. What about feedback. Oh. So we have got quite a fair bit of feedback there. See, this is good. Before we get onto that, of course, we must do the Facebook poll scores. 3.23 was what people scored last week's curries. And not particularly high. We definitely had a few twos and twos and a half that dragged the

average down a little bit. I'm hoping that people like us were quite into the murder mystery of this week's episode. So I'm looking forward to seeing what scores they get there. Head over to our Facebook group. We've had quite a few Facebook group members join in the last week or two. Haven't we? So if that is you, join in the fun and tell us what you scored this week's episode.

Emily gave last week's curry four flaming vapes out of five. Rebecca, three and a half items stuffed in Mason's Lutch Box and Pencil case and Pat gave it three and a half massive clown shoes out of five probably worn by cowboys. I don't know. So Joanne, she sent us an email this week to say just a quick message to say, I think your reaction was very fair. Now this is about my matter of rent. Oh, here we go. I rant about the idea that's early upload. Very fair. Thank

you very much. Can understand completely Michael's feelings on that. And Joanne made some great points too. As you both said, it's highly unlikely that anyone is eager or able to watch it at 7am. I'm not going to say that there isn't anybody. There certainly is people, are people who are there in their pajamas with their really big watching Coronation Street, but I don't know. It just doesn't feel to me like it really. It just feels like the convenience time is an arbitrary time.

There has to be a time. When is it going to be 7? Is it good as 8? Is it good as 9? Is it good as 10? The best is where time when I can watch it. But I must admit Joanne says, I don't watch it at the set time of 8pm aside from at Christmas. Tens of be later on the same evening on ITBX or the next day. So it will not make too much difference to my viewing. Also, my dad, as an EastEnders fan too, those articles you mentioned, are a pain. But more so, I find on X, people who post without any

spoil or warning. So I have unfortunately found out a lot of the time about what's going to happen with the surprise written and character or that someone's left before watching it, which has been annoying. So I definitely stay off there in your day if I was you. As I get it and I get people are saying that, but I really wish I didn't have to. The problem for us as well, which is a kind of unique situation is that we kind of need to be on social media to post about stuff to get people

to pay attention. And to get each other people's opinions. To see what people are thinking, but also to promote the podcast because we do need people to listen to it and want to know who we are. So I was perfectly happy to stay away from social media if, you know, when it was on 8 o'clock before, if we didn't were able to watch it until 10 or even sometimes the next day, I was perfectly happy and saying, yeah, I missed the broadcast. I'm going to stay away. That's on me. That's my bad.

But it's now they've moved it to this difficult time. I don't feel that I cannot get into it. But you're vindicated by this email. Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much, email. I know they need to entice the younger viewers, Joanne continues. But I hope that it doesn't all just go online in the next decade as it will isolate their older generations of viewers. My parents in their 70s have always watched Corrie at the set time as they do with all their shows. I wouldn't be aware of

or interested in ITVX. Have a good weekend, guys. Thank you very much. Yeah, I mean, I think people look, I know that there's a lot of people who are so resistant to the idea that we should even care that alone take into consideration older people when we do things. And I think that's super-cullis and really unfair and that older people struggle a lot with technology. And if you think

that doesn't matter because they're old, I think that makes you a bad person. But I also want to point out that there are vast ways of younger people that don't know how to use PCs properly. Oh, yeah. We are going to have to deal with you guys too and help you out. So the least you can do is have a bit of sympathy and empathy for people who aren't keeping up with stuff. And when you get old, you'll be the same. Just so you know. I don't know. I'm feeling that I'm one of the oldies now

just because I'm over 40. I don't think I am, but I guess I am. We are not so old that you don't know what ITVX is. Exactly. It's nothing to do with I'm resistant to things big day viewing on on streaming platforms or whatever it is literally. It's not a convenient time for me and that really gets my go. I agree with what Joanne said. I'm glad she bought this up that some people are still you know, trust real television is not dead. Let's not leave people behind because we're

also... Even when it is dead. And I think it will be dead. Premiers of big episodes of things should be at a time when people are more likely that we're not going to go look what you've got us into Joanne, but thank you very much for vindicating our things on that. I think she's right to say about you know older people. Oh yeah absolutely absolutely. But equally I expect that Joanne's grandparents in their 70s aren't going to be spoiled on Twitter during the day either.

I don't have that. Appearance. Appearance sorry. Yeah. Luke. No I know. Gemma we have another email. What does she say? Luke says I can't believe how rushed stew's exit was. The storyline is well I've known for months he's leaving get decide he decided to go left by the end of the same episode. Yes mean it didn't seem fast she barely said goodbye and she'd shut the door and

I thought best exit was poor but this was even worse. I can't disagree with that. I mean best exit was not great but it did at least feel like they gave her a fair shake of an exit story line and it felt like it was leaving up to something and it wasn't completely sudden and out of the blue that she decided to upsticks and move to Norfolk but yeah like we said earlier on we knew that Bill Fellows was leaving but it didn't feel when we were watching Friday's episode that he's just got

one episode left. Oh well this is the way that Cory works these days it's becoming more and more of a regular thing that when characters leave there's not much for a run up to it is Shane. Well like I think I said this before recently and that is that not everybody can have a song and dance story if people are going to be leaving regularly you can't have a big to do because it just disrupts the story for everyone else. Well I just hope that if any big characters leave Coronation

Street that they do get a big exit well maybe they will. They deserve it. She sorry Luke says I was surprised to see Carla and Ryan viewing the plat's home I really cannot imagine anyone else living at number eight it might be interesting to have some residents move around though remember when the websters walked home to the peacocks I reckon Craig who's living alone in a three-bedroom flat above the salon should move in with Kirk. Oh yes does he met with said before this happened.

Then that would free up extra property for someone to ask to move into maybe Lisa and Betsey. Good one. Well done are you I bet you're feeling really smug about that one Luke. Also well done on becoming the proud owner of John's States biography even though it's just a wooden block. I keep checking the ITV re-loves site for any treasures I can't believe how much Stephen reads jacket sold for

I know it's nuts. Me either. If I had paid that much I'd be taking so a piece of myself wearing it perhaps holding an industrial whole punch. I want to see I just want to load out ITV re-love now because the John's tape books have been back on haven't they this week well well there's one final one that wasn't sold. Oh it's sold. Oh good it's sold now and I can just set it now so a week you want to a week ago they put the final book on for sale. Last time we saw it it started

at £20. Blimey. So the final. Last time we saw it was £40. Yeah the final John State book which we paid £20. I told you to get it as soon as I saw it I said we'd go to buy it. So it sold this evening for £62. Wow. So we got quite a bargain with that. Well I hope that whoever who's ended up buying John's tapes wouldn't block today his enjoying it and I'm sure the folks at ITV pre-loved so I really loved it are quite pleased with how much they got for it. What a good idea

to put that on. Yeah well they're buying more things like that. Yeah that hasn't been anything new coronation street wise on ITV re-love for the past week but we know they must have reloaded. They've got loads I'm really actually quite surprised at the stuff that they haven't. I suppose they just they can't you know blow their load straight early on otherwise they won't have anything else to

sell. I've got to keep this going you know for years. I don't know I think there's a lot of stuff. I know that I know that I know that they they're not going to sell iconic things like the statue that Tracy killed. But this John State thing I mean where's the cow out there must be more than one cow out of John's tape. Oh yeah John's tape yeah probably the truck's all very easily in the

box. I know it's on display in the coronation street experience. I wonder you know if eight number eight does get sold and Carla guts it and you know does it all up in black wallpaper

will there be some iconic plaque. Where's Kylie's fleece? Yeah Kylie's pink fleece exactly that could go but there's there's an awful lot in the flats that has been you know a mainstay of that set for years now and that that could be quite good to put up there but I said I don't think I'm not expecting but even if David keeps the house maybe it is time for a bit of a redecorate because it is still I would say Gail's decore that's there isn't it. How long are we out

until there is there are no sets it's all just green screen crap with a sofa. Oh gosh don't even not that far away because they're talking about it now about you know teaching their horn about saving the environment by not filming on location. Yeah they're gonna say no we're not even filming on sets now we're not even have actors. We're actors. We're not just AI. We don't even have writers we just get AI to come up with something at 7 o'clock in the morning. Amy has written to us

this week saying I'm at my year anniversary of listening to the podcast. Thank you. So thank you for so many great hours of entertainment Gemma and I celebrated in anniversary today this is our 23rd anniversary of being here going out with each other. Yes 23 years ago I said to Gemma are we going out now and you said I think we are. Conversation street Amy says it's my Monday morning treat as I commute to work well I hope you're going to be stuck in traffic for a long time this week as well

Amy because this is another monster of a podcast. I love hearing your thoughts in the week I have a couple of thoughts on my own I want to share though so re-bethany I've been interested. He said that domino surgery. I've been interested how it seems to have been presented that it is her

fault she's entered up with complications. I don't think I've seen any of the characters try to argue that love is suction would be legitimate or that her situation should be treated in the same way as if she had another procedure clearly Bethany didn't need like a suction but would their views be the same on someone who in some people's views did need it and would their attitudes be the same for other cosmetic or elected procedures EG the sector is I'm definitely not comparing the

two but I hope you get what I mean. I agree with you. There certainly seem to be plenty of people in real life who go to Turkey for cosmetic procedures and I don't think they're judged as

harshly as Bethany has been. I think they are I think you read like you read stories about people who go and get their teeth done in Turkey and then they come back and they can't get an NHS dentist to treat them because they refuse to treat to work on people that have problems because of having their teeth done in Turkey and everyone goes well she's around fault for being vain. Yeah I mean I think people are very quick to judge or point out when people have any kind of noticeable

cosmetic surgery. It's a big taboo isn't it? I mean you get it with you know as we've said on I think in probably the feedback section before that there's plenty of coronation street stars that have had a bit of work done on the face or the hair transplant or after and people will point it out so. It's like now everyone's thin and it's because of a

Zempik but they won't admit it. Yeah exactly. But like I said what do you guys think of my analogy about if you're in a car crash nobody interrogates you about where you were going and whether your journey was necessary or not. Yeah that's like the ties into that. It's interesting mentioning a Zempik there and it makes you wonder like when's that going to make its way into the sides. Yeah yeah what horrible side effects of people going to end up with it will be their fault

for being vain and fat. Yeah not just not just working out and eating healthy like everybody else has to secondly Amy says I think that the week has been padded out with scenes in the flat household EG, Shona and David doing washing up, Nick and David stroking the dog. Is that a euphemism? I'm assuming those are e-shoots as they did stick out as unusual but actually those are some of my favourite scenes of the week because we've got to see the characters are interacting and see

more of their bond between them. I mean you can't go wrong with plats. Do you know David, Nick, Sarah all together, Shona sitting up on the kitchen counter putting the world to right. I hope they do more of this as I meet Long Live at the re-shoots and thanks again for a great podcast. Oh interesting. Next. Right Sarah says I just listened to last week's podcast and you criticised how casually Ryan reacted to Carla and Swain. I actually really loved his reaction. As a queer person

I'm so over this idea of coming out and people being expected to react in a certain way. It's so awkward. I don't think people are that rigid with labels anymore. You just can't fall in love with the person and their gender isn't all that relevant. I really don't think Ryan would have had a bigger reaction. I think his little surprise face in the pub when he realised what was going on and that's enough for me. Also he's a thoughtful person. He probably deliberately kept the conversation

casual to make Carla feel comfortable enough to open up. That's not to say that everyone will react like that but I think especially with people who are in age and younger it's quite a normal reaction.

And it doesn't mean they can't still have a deeper conversation about it later. And to answer your question I don't think Carla would really care about what other people think about her sexuality but it's a very vulnerable thing to realise something new about yourself and you don't really want everyone else's opinions on it until you're a bit more sure of yourself. This Swaala storyline has been completely sideline this new in favour of the murder hasn't it? So there's been nobody else to react

to Carla's. She's still kind of making sense of it herself I suppose. Yeah I mean the thing about it with a story like this because it's about representation there's kind of two ways that you can go with it. There's the way that Corrie's gone which is that that Ryan's really supportive and doesn't mind at all which is really a really lovely and affirming thing to see on screen if you're somebody who is going through it or is

worried about it or something that's a really great and supportive thing to see. There's another way to tackle it which is to have the struggles that somebody like Carla might experience. I don't know whether they are going to examine this in any details but to have your struggles shown on screen can sometimes be really validating and to make you feel like you're not alone if you've had

problems with that kind of thing in the past. The flip side to that of course is that it can open traumas for people or make people feel unsafe or uncomfortable to watch that happen on

screen so it's a really interesting situation. I've this kind of put me in mind with what you were saying when we did the Beth character profile the other day saying that she was often there as somebody to do a way in or say a bit she'd comment or say you know how's Beth going to react to this and I think certainly we're better discovered that Carla had these romantic feelings this way and

she might. There might be an undiplomatic word sentence or two added. Maybe they bundled into a van and drove her off the set before she could say anything that would get them in trouble. Maybe, maybe. Well I think it's a watch this space for swaying and Carla's relationship and how people are going to react to it isn't it for now? I'm interested to see reactions about it because

I think they're really there will be mixed reactions. I think there should be mixed reactions. If some people like Ryan are going to just go with it fine and it's great that that does happen to some people some of the time in real life but I think it wouldn't be genuine if everybody were to react in that way. Yeah, it's not that it's there's no reflection on our personal feelings about it.

It's just the reality of the situation is that even now it's it says it can be to be with some people and definitely people would remark on it but like you know like I really appreciate Sarah writing in and explaining her perspective. Oh yeah for sure. So thank you very much. Thank you very much and also she's got something to say about the Bethany situation. I do think it's a bit odd that they've been talking about this stoma for like two weeks and we haven't even seen it.

Are they waiting for some big reveal or something? Because that doesn't feel right? It is a bit like Ryan when we first saw his face scar isn't it a couple of years ago. We took the bandages off. She says I just think for some people who've never seen a stoma this is all a bit theoretical. They would have had to had emptied and changed the stoma bag regularly and they'd want to teach Bethany how to do it herself as soon as possible too so it would have made sense to show it. Maybe that's

what we'll get to see this week I'm writing this before Wednesday's episode. Nope. We've got a wait for that. We have supposed to be mentioning that earlier. I like the idea of a reveal like Param Stoma. It's like he said, Jenna, why do they keep prioritising relationship drama if it's storylines that could actually be interesting? My school for last week is three and a half straight that's at five and character of the week is Carla because I'm finally excited about

my favourite character again. Oh I'm glad I'm not the only one. Sarah who is a lapsed swallow fan who's enjoying her. Carla. Carla sorry yeah I'm thinking there was an lapsed swallow fan. No they definitely not. They're still riding high. Exactly. Did you talk about prioritising relationships over stories? Like I think we've talked about stories sometimes over prioritising relationships. Why do they keep prioritising relationship drama over storylines that could be interesting

as well as she's written? Yeah but I think relationship I suppose relationship dramas like people falling out. That's what I said. That's what I said. It's important to do character development over just storylines. Having characters just falling out and going to get back together again. No I agree with what Sarah is saying. Sarah is saying I don't care about is Bethany and Dan, Bethany and Dan you are there together or not? No let's see about what's going on with Bethany

and her Stoma. If you're doing a Stoma story and you haven't shown the Stoma or talked about what Stoma is or really said anything apart from how dreadful she's got Stoma I can't see how this is helping anybody. It's not teaching anybody anything. It's just having a woman who seems to have brought upon herself through her valetine and folly a Stoma that seems like some kind of biblical punishment that has only meted out to the foolish. That's not what they want a story to be.

Yeah is that the 13th plague of Israel? The plague of Stoma. Everyone to get a get a stoma. Was it 12 in the 10? Maybe this was the 11th one I can't remember. Wow it's between the likeus and whatever comes up tonight. A big gift of my lack of knowledge of it. We're not big on the intricacies of the oaks. Score for last week. I know you've done this haven't you. We're on top of going to Maria's email now. We've got a couple of. Maria is not happy.

A few bits of feedback about them who done it and I think you've not kept them all but Maria is not happy. She says the who done it has me sighing so hard. I wonder who it's going to be. The established and emotional woman with the whole family on the street. The bit of rough young blondes that Cory want us to love. Lauren and Betsy. The woman who has just been made a long-term cast member for the biggest romance of the year.

Lisa or the white bloke. I eat every Cory villain in history with no real relationships. In temporary housing. It was demonstrated these willing to break the law to frame Joel. Nathan that should be surely. Maybe a bit of Joel as well. Who spends every scene looking shiftily and guiltily into the camera and who they have made an entire police station set for kit. Just once I'd like them to challenge us. Maria I thought I was clever thinking it was kit.

That doesn't mean this is what I said earlier. It seems so blatantly obviously kit. That it'd be a real disappointment if it was. I don't well look. I'm not so much a kit fan that I want them to stay on the show. I wouldn't be bothered if he was carted off and we didn't see him again. Unfortunately because I still not quite really got to grow and to love him. I don't love to hate him. I just like not massive kit fans still.

This is one of these things where it's difficult. When you're writing this story if you're Cory, who are you writing this story for? You writing it for us a lot. He was super like involved and dissected everything. What scenes multiple times write theories, share ideas, see it coming a mile off because we understand how all soaps are made. Or are you writing it for everyone else who is still the vast majority of the audience. He just watches it and forgets what happened.

Take who's opinion I want to know about this and who's theory and prediction. I don't know what Calamniel's grand thinks of this. I know. Get her on the phone. I want to know when she saw her body floating down the river. Had she known about that? Oh, really? When Calamniel's man was shocked that he was the villain who waxed lorim around the head. That hadn't been spalled in the press before. No, it hadn't. It was a gender-to-police fight. It's a bit of a bit of a loss for him.

I'm not talking the more people would know about it. Did she know that Joel was going to be gone? I'm going to say probably. I'm sorry, but if I'm granny Lil, I'm taking my grandson to one side and saying, not blinds on me again, you tell me everything. Otherwise I'll hide you. Let's get her on the podcast as I'm always just. You could hide us. As a guest. Right, last word. We haven't got an email from Nancy this week.

It was a bit of a get-well soon Nancy at the moment because she's been a bit off. She's been a bit off. You feel back there? I hope she is on the menu. She's posted on her Facebook group that she's been in hospital for a bit this week. So I hope she is feeling better soon. Yes. Who's doing this one? You are reading Rebecca's email. Rebecca says, right, I love Lee Rebecca, she says, I would have preferred Lisa and Khaled to be in a good friendship in Korea. They don't have many friendships.

And I like that table scene. But I understand the dynamic there going down. I need Khaled to have seen with Roy and I really liked her trying to fight her feelings on Wednesday's episode. If they're going to go down the route of Khaled fricking out her feelings as a late in life, lesbian, I like that. She also says, I really like Jesse as long as he's a good character. And Treet's Gail, well. Well, Gail needs to be in the programme first.

I just like, I know that we're saying, oh, who killed, who killed Joel, wha wha wha. I'm going to say who's killed Gail. I think Jesse's murdered her. You could have done, couldn't I? We haven't seen any different of where suddenly he's caught this money. Where from? From the bridge in Laine, the Gail took out. Why is the house gone up for sale? Because Jesse's put it up for sale. Because he's killed it. She's under the floorboards. Yeah, victim Gail, location, Jesse's new flat.

Yeah. Murder weapon, casted pies. Oh, I thought it'd just be a crowbar because there's loads of them lying around suspiciously. Every time I hear a crowbar this week, I'm thinking of Mrs. Croix-Shaw. May that be the business, isn't it? Croix-Shaw's crowbars. Maybe she's got a side like that. Well, there's no point in that business. Probably all just like contraband from school. We've got vapes and crowbars. Probably, yeah. I've got a big box of them. Yeah. Don't confuse the two.

Rebecca says, regarding the rewrites, I changed Thailand for New Zealand. That could have been a Martin and Jesse change. I think she might be on to the next. Yeah, maybe. Although Gail went to... We know Gail diggered a Thailand, but she didn't say... She didn't like... It wouldn't have made sense that she actually secretly went to New Zealand. No. What would have... I would say much. I would give you... How much did that John's date book go for? Twenty per... Oh, what? The ones today?

Sixty two pounds. I would give you sixty two pounds to tell me what the original story for Martin was. How much would you give to work out to be fucked to find out why actually happened with Sean Wilson and why he's not on Coronation Street anymore? 104 pounds. So, so, so, Dan Chilimore. She says, I'm really enjoying Gail smiling for once. Carrying to the biggest carler. And I give this week three and a half items stuffed into Mason's lunch box and pencil case out of five. Lovely.

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Send us an email, conversatioestreetatgmail.com, put book, convertitional, every said earlier, as the header and we'll pick a winner in time for next week's podcast. At the moment, it's not much change in our in our poll. 66% don't think anybody did none of them did it. Nobody did it. He just dropped dead. He dropped dead and rolled himself up in a plastic bag. 3% Mason. But that black plastic bag was kind of out of the shades of what Rita wore back in 1989. Tribute. Yeah. Maybe it was Rita.

3% DD, 24% Baby Boy 7%. Well, there we go. There we go. I think at the moment nobody knows, but we kind of all suspect Kit, don't we? It's previous Ron Coronation Street. Right, we are going to go now. This is not going to hit the four hour mark. I hope you all enjoy this extra long episode of The Podcast. Again, let us know what you're thinking about the murder mystery. Tell us your theories. If there's any clues that we might have missed, that's certainly possible. Write in, let us know.

And yeah, look forward to Monday and Wednesday's episode next week. We're hopefully we'll find a little bit more. Until then, we're going. See you everybody next week. Gemma, any final words for our lovely listeners this week? Nice to see you later. See you later, says Gemma. Goodbye. The music from the Sapphire Soda came from podcastthemes.com.