What is going on? Everyone? Welcome to another episode of conspiracy or just a coincidence. I am Jack Allen. Thanks for joining me or soon or listening or soon to be joining. I was I was out last week. As many of you follow me on Twitter. I was doing my floor for the nursery, so I got the lamb and flooring, had to redo it a few times. But I'm turning into a pro. So then I wasn't able to do a show last week. But this week I'm honored to have
my good friend the odd man. How are you doing, my buddy? Hey, man, it's great to be back on with you. It's been too long. Yes, I felt like um, like a boy in love with like a middle school crushed. How many times I kept texting on and I said, hey you free to night, Hey you free to night? Hey you free next night? But so luckily we were able to match up.
I felt so bad too, man. It was like literally something was planned every single night, and I was like, man, I hope he does not think I'm lying to him, but yeah, man, my wife had time off, we had people in and it was just it was crazy. I'm I'm still exhausted. I'm so exhausted. Was that your big vacation then for the summer? Well, no, we actually are going, um next month at the end of next month to Florida to visit the friends who actually came in town a couple weeks ago. Yeah, so I think that's
like the last week of next month. So yeah, nice. Nice, You were like not doing anything big because of the all. You know, I have the zoo at my house and then um, yeah, you know lives pregnant, So we're gonna My parents have like a small lake house, so we're gonna we're gonna go there because cool, they're dog friendly at least.
Hey Roslin skeptic, Flippy, what's up? So for we had a few topics playing, but I was just talking to odd Man about um that Jim Caveazelle on Steve Bannon Show, and so I just wanted I didn't listen to the clip yet, I just saw it, so I wanted us to listen to it really quick. Just get it that up here. I'll just I'm just gonna play. I won't share it all right. For labor for slave labors or is it a dreaming from the whole drening chrom Empire that this
is a big deal. That's it is underlisted under the NAH. It is is a chemical compound some molecular structure as C nine age nine H three is um. It's an elite drug that they've used for many years. It's ten times more potent than um heroin and it has some missal quads as far as making you look younger. Um, there's that scene in Fear and Loathing. Oh God, dude, I saw that and I tell you that had a big laugh about nine percent of the audience. I laughed, and I'll tell
you we willing laugh. Oh absolutely, they knew known absolutely what it was, and so we'd return that on. All right, good, So what's your immediate thoughts, odd Man, what's your immedia? Well, if he had a hard time getting jobs since the passion, he's never gonna work in Hollywood, can oh man? Um? You know, I mean, I'm kind of skeptical of that whole thing. But then I did see this was a few months ago on Instagram. Somebody was playing a professor and it was
black and white footage and he was talking about adrena chrome. Waite had to be the sixties. I mean, I may have saved it if I did, I'll I'll send it to me. Interesting, But I don't know, man, it sounds crazy to me that, you know, he's talking about it and he knows he kind of knows how much it goes for in those kinds of things. I mean, unless you know, because he's in the Hollywood crowd. It's it's like the thing that the Hollywood people do. But
I I didn't even think he was part of that. I figured he'd kind of been somewhat excommunicated, being kind of seen as Mel Gibson's pal or something. Yeah, I'm sure you know, And I remember, you know, we were just talking about this three years ago. If I saw this clip, I would be like going nuts. But these days, I just like, don't what for? You know, they only let them do this to mock conspiracy people more. Yeah, so what's you know? It's like this
It literally just makes conspiracy people look insane. So that's that this does not wake anybody else up. It just has que people going yeah, and everybody else like, oh god, and then they can laugh at laugh at us who research and all those things. Right, Yes, the people that actually you know, I know we've talked about this, but the people that actually research and read and and do those kinds of things are seen as idiots.
And these people that know nothing and just paart what they hear on media. You know, M five M if you will. They they're the ones that are the smart ones. But yeah, it's it's like like my friend was telling me last nine because I've been super unplugged, as I was telling you earlier, he said, uh, you know, I guess that the CIA maybe has admitted that they had a hand or it's been proven that they had
a hand in killing JFK and it's been revealed admitted. I guess if he was correct that they met with Epstein like three times after he was ooh, I'm not sure if it was arrested or convicted one of the one of the two. But I don't know if that's true. But you know, it doesn't even matter if it is, because half the people would not you know,
would not even care about it anyway, you know. And that's what it's so scary, right, like, no matter what they and maybe that was by design, maybe they knew by dividing, if you divide people far enough, you can literally do whatever you want, because no matter what, you'll have only half the population against you, you know, as you do something so egregious that um, you know, Mike, that definitely could get on board behind, but that would be that there's nothing I don't the media
will be able to spend it to divide the people anyway. But yeah, I mean that's a really I think that's a great move if that's your plan. That they did it perfectly, dude, because you're right, nobody if like a blue you know, a Democrat pushes on it's the rights Yellen Adam
and flip vice versa flip flop. Yeah, it's kind of like, um, you know, kind of like this dual, dualistic kind of thing with just having the two parties because like you have kind of like the voting public anyway, fifty percent of the voting public supporting one team no matter what, in fifty percent supporting the other team no matter what. So it's kind of like they can't lose really because there's never gonna be even a seventy five percent
of the public against you know, one party. I think just because they have such good propaganda, the propaganda machine so huge. And I finished my
Catherine the Great series or the Washington Post and just the time. I mean literally like the CIA built the Washington Post literally like and they've it's just amazing, Like all that was how they were able to come in and buy Newsweek because the one guy you know, who was the CIA affiliated reporter told called up Um Graham, the the the owner of the Washington Post, Hey, it's gonna go for sale that day, gave a million dollars to buy Newsweek.
And I'm sure you know and your readings you've come across how Newsweek has like been CIA propaganda forever, you know, all of their they they're heavily, heavily affiliated and that, and that's in the book. They have that famous quote it's cheaper to buy a journalist than a good call girl. So it's just the soap. And I was just telling my wife because we we make fun of, you know, the colored hair people. These people like will do whatever social media, the talking as it's scary. They will do
whatever, no matter what. They will do it if you tell them this is why you should and they may you know, say no, I listen of it, but they would they literally would they would do it. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Because it's it's almost like it doesn't even matter what the issue is if it's like they're gonna go against anything that's seen as traditional, you know, so it doesn't even matter. It's almost like they're more worried about looking you know, tolerant in front of their woke friends than even
what the issue is. It doesn't matter. It's it's kind of like a lifestyle now, you know, don't you think? Yes, dude, absolutely absolutely, it's crazy. It's great. But so well, well, I you know, I'm horrible at current events, so you please tell everyone what you're researching and you can you can have the floor. Oh well, thank you, man. I'm terrible at current events too, so we make a compare on that. Uh, you know, I've been taking another look at
freemasonry. I've done four shows now in a row on it. I had done like maybe five or six shows in the past, and when I first started, mainly and probably only a couple of those shows. Those were decent because I was learning and I got some things wrong, and I I use some sources that now I look back and I'm like, I don't know if
they were exactly trustworthy. So I thought, you know what, I need to take another look at that and look at can I look at like each issue one by one, like or is freemasonry a religion, you know, and does it have a Luciferian aspect? You know these controversies that we've heard in conspiracy world forever, you know, does it lie to the lower level initiatives? Is there's something like a hidden agenda at the you know, kind
of at the top. And so those are the kinds of things I've been looking into, and I've just been consulting mainly, just consulting freemasons themselves, like looking at some really old books, just kind of trying to find out if maybe they had you know, through their own quotes for the most part,
could I find the answer? So that's kind of where I'm going with that because I feel like, you know, a lot of the stuff I've listened to, you know, like a lot of podcasts and watch videos and stuff like that, and I feel like a lot of it's the same thing over and over again. So I wanted to kind of try to go a little bit deeper. Nice dude, and well, anything you've and I totally agree with you, it would be good to go back and do old topics
because you're you just you know, when I'm just like you. Maybe you probably knew more when you started, but I knew like nothing. So I'm just going off the one book. And I remember my wife asked me, how do you know what's real and what's not? And I was like, shit, I have no idea. I have no idea if I have to tell. And you don't really know now, but you have like a little bad you can say, oh, well this I've heard this author say at
this thing. But have you learned anything like super new or any any big claims in your in your research already? Well, I do believe for sure that it's a it's a religion. And one of the things that makes it tough with those guys is they kind of contradict themselves, and they talk in code and in circles, and they try to wax eloquent in their writings, and some of it's kind of hard to understand, and they make it hard to understand. And they even talk about how, you know, kind of
like the the Caballists. They talk about how words and phrases have more than one meaning and stuff like that. But yeah, I think I've in my mind, I'm satisfied that it is absolutely a religion. And always was to be, so I don't think they really tell that to the lower level initiatives.
And you know, they have the term hoodwinked in freemasonry, and I think that all the lower level initiatves are hoodwinked for the most part, and nothing I haven't been able to I'm still in the process of looking into this aspect of it, but I do believe, you know, the G. Everybody has their own idea of what the G stands for, you know,
God, the Grand architect gravity. But I heard one Mason say away or gate and that kind of he didn't like elaborate on that, and it got me to thinking, I think that masonry is the gateway to the occult. I really do, because every time you look at one of these other more openly nefarious or Crowley esque organizations, it's always Mason's that start them, every single time, even Crowley himself. So I think it's a the gateway to
the occult. And I think that all these you know, because you have people like Albert Pike and Manly p Hall, and they would talk about how they were going to like it was set up to full of the lower level initiatives and the people they didn't think were worthy of learning the real meanings, and they talk about the Hidden Masters or the Great White Lodge and different things like that. So I think that, you know, I haven't figured out
who those Hidden Masters are and probably never will. But yeah, I definitely think all these mason Esque organizations are connected. I really do. And I think that maybe they're not as important as they once were, but I think it one time. I think they were extremely important. Yeah, in kind of controlling governments and different things like that. Did you research all to the beginnings of Freemasonry or do you just kind of start from the what seventeen seventeen
when they come out in the open? You know, I've looked into that, not specifically during these shows that I'm doing right now, but I have looked into that in the past, you know. And it's kind of like it depends on which Mason you consult, you know, which one you read.
Some believe it only started and say, well, I've even read something that think it didn't start until the seventeen hundreds, but it seems like most of them think like late fifteen hundreds, maybe that when the Rosa Crucians started popping up and stuff like that, and of course then there's others that think it goes all the way back to the Tower of Babel or even even older than that. So and in fact, I I want to do probably not
on the next show, but one of those shows coming up. I've really been able to find from different writers the whole lure about how masonry goes back to the Tower of Babel and Nimrod and those kinds of things. So I don't know, it's kind of interesting because it's such a big I feel like it's such a big subject that it really hasn't been torn apart in conspiracy world,
even though it's been talked about a lot. I feel like taking that deeper dive, not a lot of people have done that, And so I hope I can people it's just freemasonry bad, is the you know, that's
like the general consensus pretty much in the conspiracy world, right. It's I always struggled to balance out, how, you know, we admire founding fathers and all these key people in history, and so many of them are Freemasons, And which is fine in itself if we like assume, okay, all these people that were powerful or evil, but some of these people have done positive things for humanity or for the public, and maybe even history writes it
as they didn't. So it's hard for me to reconcile those two. You know. So if I just say, okay, everyone who freemason equals bad, well, all our founding fathers, then we're bad because they were all, for most part, freemason. What do you what do you? Where do you? I? Yeah, I don't know where I like fall on
the spectrum. I definitely agree with you. It's tough, man, It's really tough, because, yeah, you don't want to just it's hard to assume that all these guys were nefarious and and I don't think that all Masons are bad by any means. I think that the lower level wins, and I mean I think that most of them. Just from reading these more adept Masons, they'll tell you that the lower level guys don't have a clue what's going on, don't know what the symbols mean, don't know what the true
meaning of masonry means, and stuff like that. So I think that it there's I'm sure been some great Masons. I worked for a Mason once, and he was he was a good guy, and you know, but I think that there is a an agenda and they call it. I think they call it the secret Doctrine. I mean, you know, Bolobotsky had the Secret Doctrine, and you know you read about I think it was a e. Waite the Secret Doctrine in Israel. If I'm not mistaken, I could
be wrong about that author. But they always talk about the Secret Doctrine and as far as I can tell, and somebody can scool me on this, but I think that there's probably many secret doctrines. But I think if you boil it down to what the secret doctrine really is, it's just simply teaching the the initiate that he is a God. He is God, he is a God. There's no It's almost like atheism with all this lure in mythology
wrapped around it, if you know what I mean. And that's the way Kabala seems to me too, and Masonry is so connected to Kabbala that it's it's just insane. But I think that's a secret doctrine. They're just they're just going all these different ways to try to tell you in the end, you are God. There's nothing else out there. So it's like if you want to call that Luciferian. I mean, it's the snake in the garden of Eden, you know, so why not just come out and say that.
And I obviously not either one of us was around during you know, Christian America, But I mean I just can't even imagine the difference of population, like perception, or how they came about they took handled problems, or how just society function when everyone is so religious, so believes in this god, you know, God or god fearing religious people as opposed to Now obviously we could say like the generacy and all this stuff, but I just it
must have been. It would be you wouldn't even recognize the America. I imagine if you were there and you know, early eighteen hundreds compared to the people, because that that thought that you are God has purpose just spread out everywhere. I mean it's in music, movies, you know, every manifestation I US. So how many times you see manifestation on you know, manifest your money or whatever on videos or investing or whatever. I mean it's literally
everywhere, dude. So it's it's crazy. If it wasn't their goal, then then they just got really lucky. But if it was they again they did a good job. Yeah, I agree, man, And you know, we've heard for years that, you know, these Christians have had all
these wars and they've been killed more people than anybody. But you know, man, I'm convinced, at least in the you know, fairly modern times, even going back at you know, several hundred years ago, I think a lot of these guys were in these Masonic groups and the leaders, the important people, you know, and so well, were they really Christian wars or were they these wars too, you know, to purify, you know, because I've read that Cabitalists believe that these wars, like in Israel and
stuff like that, it's purification. They're purifying the land. And h there's such a you know, I mentioned a second ago, there's such a Cabbalistic influence on Masonry, and I wonder if there's not something like that going on as well that you know, you know, and kindilla, you know, you have the teak teaking olam. I guess that is how you say that. I probably butchered it. But anyways, belief that you are responsible for repairing the world that you know, as as Jews were, they were responsible
for repairing the world. And it's the same thing in freemasonry, it's the great work, you know, the theosophy too, the great work, it's the same thing, you know, some kind of notion. So I love that purifying the land thing. Remember how we always talk about Germany and when I always say, like, what the hell is going on in Germany? Like there's been so many world wars, Like they're always the bad guy.
It's like a you know, an eighties action movie. But yeah, I mean that, you know, that's a good that's at least one possible answer that we've that could be as there. There's something's special about this land, and they're they're purifying it because as we've all I mean, I don't know if you guys, there's like the thirty year War, seven year War, War one, World War two, all these places. Um, there's just so many wars have basically had Germany as the loser usually or Prussia. Sometimes
they would win, but you know, it's just odd. It's they're always the bad guy and odd man. And I always joke like say, like what is you know, Iluminati banking? Everything comes out, what's going on here? What's the hell is going on in this country. But I like
that. I mean, you know, I'm sure there's other aspects to it, but I think that, you know, I've always been kind of like, the one thing that I've been solid about since I started doing the shows on masonry from the start is, you know, the sacred oaths, the allegiance to each other. Once you get anybody who has an allegiance to because a lot of times it'll say, you know, you swear to the lodge, or you swear to the master of the law, the worstful master,
or whatever. But if these guys are swearing to each other, and and I understand, maybe today an oath doesn't mean what it did one day, you know, back you know, a few decades and centuries ago. But anyway, I mean, these guys get into governments and places of business and they're it just is a breeding ground with the secrecy element too, for nefarious operations. I mean, there's no way around it. I mean, conspiracies, Yeah, how can it? How could it not be with all the
secrecy? I mean, there's just no way. Dude. I was and I don't know, I don't know why I struggled with this concept so much, but you obviously You've done a lot of shows on Fabian socialism, and I've I've always like tried to reconcile the CIA being so anti communistic, but yet they're leading us to call like at least cultural Marxism today. And I could just just couldn't put this all together, like how are why are they
these powerful people socialists? But we're fighting communists and so the more I think I just saw I don't know how this relates at all, I kind of secret societies, but I saw like the and I think i've read this from Anthony Sutton, the corporatize socialism. That's what the goal is. But I've just been amazing to see how these groups they are all these liberal, liberalistic groups of the time, radical at the time, and they've they've all gotten
on board. And I know everyone jokes about the uniparty and everything like that, but it's just amazing that liberalism was this virus that just spread through all these secret societies through progressive initiatives and things like that. And it's just amazing that all these people knew that this was the goal. Maybe not new, but some people knew this was the goal. Result and just how they've achieved
it. Yeah, absolutely, I think it was. I want to say, two episodes ago, I did a show Freemasonry in the New World Order, and I've found quite a few quotes from different Masons about out you know, like world government, and I was able to find that the thing was the Grand Oriental Lodge. They were big proponents of the League of Nations. And even since then, I've found more quotes from Mason's about the United Nations
and different things like that. So they talk about the Universal Brotherhood and and you know, Manly p. Hall talks about this philosophy, this utopia. I think he's going back to Plato ruled by philosopher kings and stuff like that. So I think they're definitely behind this this world order type of thing. I think they always have been. Of course, it's sold as you know, as this kind of hippie or all be one, there'll be no wars,
everybody will be equal, nobody will struggle. But there's no possible way that it could ever be like that with the way humans are and the people in power. I mean, look at the people in power now, they're horrible. You think the World Government's gonna stop that? I mean, it's just sort of it's a ridiculous idea, absolutely, dude, And I think you're right too. Like Freemasonry today, I don't know why. I always ask myself that too, like what groups you know, because Freemasonry we don't
see. It's not it was so powerful. I mean where there was a political party created to stop Freemasonry. I mean that's in Could you imagine a single issue candidate almost winning he almost won, right that, the anti Mason guy. I think, so, I know it was supposedly it was huge. Yeah, but like, could you like, you know, your stances lead are decriminalized drugs and that's the only thing you ran. I mean, that's crazy, dude, it was. It's just it was so powerful,
and I want I imagine today I can't. I mean those I see the lot, you know, there's lodges in every neighborhood and they look run down and yeah, oppressed. But yeah, it's just yeah, no, Yeah, you're definitely right, And I don't think that it has the power that it once did. But I do still believe that probably maybe in the upper
echelons of government, it still exists, especially in these other countries. I know during COVID, I followed a bunch of different profiles on like Instagram, like in Venezuela, in different places like that South America, in Central America, and some of these guys were filming these Masons like like in their government. Like it was like even there were even a few who had the Freemasonic symbol. It didn't have the G, but it had the scales, you
know, the level and well not on their governmental seal. So it's like, if you know, if it's probably a good way to for our guys to control those smaller governments, because I think that cias you know, controlling half those governments or more anyway where they are. So they get them to swear oaths still to each other and probably means more than it did does to
us. You know, probably still means a lot to those guys. And probably the alternative is you know, having your throat right well and that and that's why I think people like don't realize maybe I'm I'm sure a lot of our leaders didn't start out. It's like these evil people and then they joined a secret society. They they got a job, they did with the whatever their superior mentor told them to do. They did one thing that was morally
ambiguous and that's it. And it's still you have a family, you have your reputation, your life. I mean, that's how you can see these people just go along to get along and do what needs to be done because they're just they're just trying to continue that that makes it right in anyway. But yeah, right, it's exactly. Yeah, yeah, I'd read one thing I just popped into my mind. So I guess it was FDR who
died pretty suddenly nice, yeah, and he was a Freemason. And then um so Truman took his place immediately, and he was a Freemason, and he hired or appointed I guess it was Ellen or Roosevelt, which was the former first Lady to head up some big office in the UN when the UN was starting to get going. And then it said that this was a actual this was an article from a New Zealand or Australian freemasonry website. Like it
was promasonry. It wasn't like, you know, yeah, something else that was against it, but it was talking about the history of it, and it was just talking about how a lot of Freemasons had been advocates of the United Nations, and it talked about a few other people that were lesser known, but what was the Nelson Mandela was a Freemason. Never heard that and he was such a big figure, you know, big. Yeah, So it just makes you wonder who all, um. You know, there's a
lot of people that will probably never know that we're Mason's. So I think that. And then the guys who were in these other even more creepy, weird, you know, organizations, I think that. I kind of think that I've did some research on the OTO. Um, you know, I still got a lot of research to do, but I feel like that these Hollywood types, so that's probably what they're into. The sexual you know, the Golden Dawns and the otos and the ones that have the sexual element to
them. Yeah. And anyway, well, for I wanted to say, because you brought up FDR and it reminded me of Henry Wallace. And so for people that don't know, Henry Wallace was the guy who designed the dollar bill. He's wanted to put the Great Seal on the bill. I think, right right, it sounds right to me. Okay, it's been a while since. If I'm wrong, someone in the chat telling me wrong.
But I and just to show how interconnected these occult people are and how spycraft has been so Henry Wallace, there was a Bolovatsky had just kind of passed away relatively recently, Andy Bassant took over. There was like kind of a split in the theosophy community. And Henry Wallace, he was a theosophist and a freemason, I think, but he followed this Russian guy who was a
Bolshevik who was a sick occultist. I forgot his name now, but he was he was a high ranking ball He was like the spymaster for both the Bolsheviks secret police. But he's this huge occultist and he always asked for jobs like in Tibet and things like that, and so they need to come up with a cover story. So like the cover story for Henry Wallace and this guy talking where he's like he was looking for seeds that were super powerful that
could like withstand. It made no see, you know, it's just some but which may also you think, like, now, how many CIA stories are like that where you're like that makes zero? What what do you mean you're doing that? And that means they're a CI, you know, a spy in some sense. But that Henry Wallace guy. He was they wrote all the time, and eventually when FDR died, I think it got found out, like who he was talking to, and so he kind of got
pushed out after that. But I just thought that was interesting too, that even amongst governments, these and not that we didn't know that, but just a direct example of working not for the benefit of your country but for the benefit of your club or whatever. You're out there looking for ascended masters and you're sending money or what have you. You know, these relationships they reach across bound borders. That's why they don't care about borders. They don't care.
They already don't care about borders. So yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's just it's too much for the human I mean, to have that secrecy, have that brotherhood, have those oaths, and then get a place of
power. Now there's I'm sure a few who've used that power for good, but the temptation has to be huge, and the temptation has to be also huged to overlook when you're fellow brother powerful Mason is doing shady things because you're sworn to uphold pretty much everything he does except for murder, and maybe one or two other things, so you know, I mean it's and like you'd mentioned theosophy, So I was trying to find out because I've heard, always
heard that Blavatski was a mason. I've even seen like it was supposed to be her degree or whatever from somewhere. But I've looked at Universal Comasonry dot com. People should check that side out because I didn't know too much about comasonry. But it's been around for a long time. It's I think mostly in the UK it's and I don't think it's in the States, but they've been admitting women, you know, ever since I guess they started or whatever.
So they have a thing on Bolvotsky, and I think that there's a theosophical side. I forget the name of it. It might even be the Theosophy dot org or something like that. But it says that she was not Levotsky was not initiated in a lodge in the United States. Are in the West, but she does say in there that she was initiated in Tibetan lodges, And there's a freemasonry lodges all over the world, so I assume she
meant freemasonry lodge. Yeah, some big tim Mason gave her like a I think his name was John Yarker. He's another author too, and he gave her some kind of like degree bestowed her, like the thirty second or something like that honorary degree or something. I think she turned it down. But then you go to Annie Besant and she was a Universal Comason. Of course, she took over for Blovotsky. She actually was the head of Universal Comasonry
in the UK. And then and this says this on the Universal Comasonry website. And then Alice Bailey was also a Universal Comason. You know, she was the next one to take over the Theosophical Society. So there's definitely a connection there. Oh that's interesting, dude. And well I'm thinking about quickly too. The another guy who was like one of the heads I think of the Theosophical Society roun about the time of Blubotsky. Like he was way up there. H. C. W. Lead Beater. He's an occultist in
author in the chat Um Flippy. He's a genius. He brought that, he said, that was it? Lead Beater? Yeah, awesome, great stuff man. Yeah, so he was also a Freemason as well. He wrote, like I've been getting some like good information from him because he didn't hold back. He was and actually that guy went on to I believe, I don't know if he was convicted, but he was accused multiple times of
being a pedophile. So yeah, so well, and the interest like theosophy I remember, so I this just like it is kind of random, but um, Joe Rogan used to have this guy on and now blanking on his name. He's a Boston professor, Robert Show, I think that's his name, and he's like the Sphinx guy, like the Sphinx is much older than it is. And at the time when this clip came out, it was like, you know, eight years just you know, not there was Joe
Rogan podcast was not as big as it was it was today. But I remember the guy saying, Robert who says history is all wrong, that he's a theosophist and his mom's a theosophist. And at the time I had no idea what that meant. But I just looking back, I find that interesting because here, you know, and I don't doubt that, I'm sure our timeline so screwed up, but I just found it interesting that this theosophist guy that focuses on the sphinx in ancient Egypt is claiming time is manipulated, warped,
you know where we come from a greater civilization than than he. You know, the Egyptians didn't build this. And it just was like, wow, dude, like, did what came? Did you join theosophy first or did you find theospy after you you know, discovered this, um this this inconsistency with the sphinx. But I just found that was I thought that was
like a fun, fun tidbit. That is fun because it's like, I'm sure the theosophy is still around you, but I don't ever hear about it anymore as far as like, you know, like current stuff, and it may be bigger than we even could could imagine. They probably just really you know, quiet and sneaky about it. But uh, sometime I was gonna say that was connected to another thing that was connected to theosophy. Damn well, I do know that, you know, there were some occultists who thought
that Bolovotsky was a fake. There was one guy who was really really well respected back in the day. His name was Renee when on he may have been French, I can't remember now. But he wrote a whole book about how you know, she was a sham and in the Theosophical society was not true theosophy. And I've got another real small book and it's um. This
guy was like a professional magician. Uh, I forget his name, but anyway, he wrote this booklet on uh Blevotsky and how she was a charlatan and as a fake spiritist or spiritualist before you know, she got famous and she had this, um, she had this some kind of like magic trick that she was doing and he proved it to be fake. And he wrote this whole little uh kind of like a pamphlet. It's probably like sixty pages about it. So Mitch's Mitch can't think of it the occult in America something
like that. I know what she's talking about. Yeah, Mitch Horwitz, I think. But he wrote all about how just it theosophy and Blevotsky. I mean, it was like a powder keg in America, like everybody was into doing. Say, because I think what is its post was a post civil no, how did you post War War one? Right? She was
an American post war? Right? I think so? Yeah, I think so, because that's why it blew up was one of the because everyone was you know, they wanted to do seances to talk to their loved ones. But anyway, but I think I want I wanted to, unless you have another another thought, No, no, no, I'm just gonna it just reminded me. You know, there's the and I don't know if it's true, but you may know this better than me, that the claim that Hitler
had the Secret Doctrine and thought a lot of it. I don't know if that's true or not. But yeah, yeah, well I mean that he didn't he have an obsession with Tibet as well. And I just never know what's true with with mustache man. I just never can say anything. It doesn't matter they do, yeah, exactly, Like it's crazy, you know, they try. I just it's just they depict his character that's beyond all, you know, So it's on so much of the stuff, like I
can't believe. This is insane. This doesn't make you know he's only has one testicle? How do you do? How do you know this? Like? What? Dude? They'll be capitalizing on that dude for the next three or four hundred years at least. Man a new book every couple of months. It's crazy. Maybe poo Pootler will take his place at him, but I don't know. He's got a lot of work. He's really how to step up his game right to get up there. But I wanted to ask
your do you think do you think it's that liberalism with freemason? I was just thinking about liberalism and Luciferianism whatever. Do you think that these are these beliefs of progress. It's I'm just trying to like again, reconcile. You have even like Frederick the Great, how we were talking before the show, Oh Prussian King was a Freemason. You have some monarchs that are You have some people that are anti Freemasonry, mustache Man, Mussolini, they kicks Freemasonry
out. Then you have some that are. You know, it's it's such a confusing group because they don't always fall on the same side or the same pattern. You know, I know, I know that you can ask you a good question there, but I'm going to ask you to elaborate on anything
in that that you can elaborate on. No, I see what you mean, and it's that's true, and it's it's kind of strange because you know, sometimes you see, they're like, like, you know, there's been some Masons and founding fathers even then, and those guys seem to have some they had some great quotes and some of their ideas were fantastic, you know, and then there's other people that have just these horrible ideas that are Freemasons.
Trotsky was into masonry. I read one of his books for a time, so you know, it's like you just never know, And like with the Mussolini and I read something just the other day. I don't know if it was true or not. I forget where I read it, but he had a fascination with masonry early on, until you know, he didn't ban it until like, you know, he really started to realize, hey, wait a minute, these guys are working against me and it's a really well
put together network. So you know, if that's true, it would make sense because yeah, you know, until you realized it had a political element, you probably might be attracted to it and think, oh, well, this is really cool. The secrecy and the the templar history and all the you know, the different things like that. I mean, there's parts of it. Sometimes I reach stuff by them and I'm like, you know, that's brilliant. You know, I won't I won't lie about it. That's
brilliant. Well, and so that's like, that's why I struggle with it because you have so clearly Freemasonry is anti monarch, anti quote fascist, you know, I mean, that's word has lost all meaning anymore, but for the general definition, and they're anti fascist, they're progressive leaning democracy, you
know, and all these things that are founding fathers were. So it may if I maybe just the people that like Frederick the Great or um Mussolini, maybe they didn't realize because they can't you know, hindsight twenty twenty at the time that this organization's goals is drastically different than what their goals might have been. But so maybe that's probably how you can kind of put those those two puzzle pieces together, because I just I always get, you know, clearly
their anti fascism. So yeah, there there That was an awesome book, Freemasonry behind the Revolutions and just how the French Revolution, all these revolutions, these color revolutions, maybe they weren't insiciated by the CIA at the time, but they're they're insticated by the Freemasonry and to overthrow The only one that held on really well was the British monarchy, and I think this is because they they gave up a lot of their power to Parliament. They had more,
they progressively lost more and more. But I think they were willing to play ball. And that's why the only reason why they were allowed to stay and not be toppled because they went along with the banking scam. They went along with all these things, as opposed to the German monarchs or maybe Russian monarchs, who weren't going along with these things. Yeah, and that's that. And that's so interesting too because it brings us kind of back to Germany when
you think about it, because the royal family are actually German. Yeah, and we know that they've all I mean, all those uh you know, the the males have been Freemasons, probably the females too, so and that's not even really a hidden thing. I mean, I think prince was the Prince Philip who died. I guess he was the husband of the queen who just died. He was like the head of Freemasonry I think over there, one of the one of the top guys. So yeah, it's kind of
interesting because yeah, that on one hand. You see them. You see monarchs and kings going back several hundred years that were Masons, and then you see this element of this anti you know, monarchy type of element in freemasonry too, and it makes you wonder. And I've read from people's Masons saying, well, you know, those monarchs, they were never let in on the real meaning of masonry. They were just allowed, tolerated or whatever. They were humoring them. I'm like, oh, really, is that really
true. I mean, yeah, yeah, I don't know if I I mean, the Knights Templer when they got brought down, they you know, a bunch of them went to Portugal and the lead and I think the Knights of Christ. They just barely changed the name, but the leader was the monarch who defended them from you know, the papacy, the Catholic Church, all these hunts and inquisitions. So I can't imagine that they they're not They're
not like a toddler. Some of these monarchs are brilliant, I mean, educated by the smartest, the brightest, and the you know, so if they they're not gonna be like here, here's a shiny magic jem, you know, play with that and come back to us when you're ready. So I imagine they they're a little more involved than that. I would think so too. And if they had felt like if they'd found out they were being quote unquote hoodwinked as Mason's did, like they were probably uh called for the
heads of these guys who are like kind of stringing them along. Um, I don't know, just look at I mean even the Virgin Queen Queen you know she was so I don't don't Freemason actually wasn't a you know, quote unquote around then, but were in John d practicing the occult together, doing astrology, sending ships off on certain days, um, all these things. It just it just links again like these powerful, these powerful people with occult
works that the public has no idea. They have zero clue that they're in the dark, you know, using Awuiji board, while the rest they're they're you know, out when they present themselves there there's god fearing telling you to be a god fearing Christian and all that stuff. But it just goes back forever and ever. It's it's crazy. Yeah. And you know, I was talking to a friend a couple of nights ago. He actually brought it up. But like you know, the automatic riding. You know, so
you got supposedly the Zohar. You know. They first said, well, the Zohar, which is, as far as I can tell, the suffer yet zero and the Zohar or kind of like the basis of of all occult beliefs besides like the Hermetic stuff, the Egyptian stuff and stuff like that.
But it's a huge part of it anyway, because you got the Tree of Life and a lot of the Zohar teachings in almost every occult's secret society that I've that I've looked into, you got the Kabala, And it just kind of blows my mind because they first tried to say, no, this goes back to like even biblical times, and then they had to kind of admit no. This one Rabbi, Moses dai Lyon wrote it, and he claims that he was basically inhabited by that other, you know, rabbi from like
the second third century or something like that, Simeon bar Yohai. Oh No, Okay, So so that guy is supposed to be the real rider of the Zohar, but he didn't. It just came out in the year thirteen hundred, but anyway, he claims that he was inhabited by him, so automatic riding. Crowley says that the aos, you know, creature, whatever you was, spirit inhabited him. Blovodsky says, the Tibetan inhabited her.
I think I don't know about bees and probably her definitely Alice Bailey. I think she said that there was I think another Tibetan or maybe the same one, Digual Cool I think was his name. It goes on and on and on about these people who claim these spirits inhabit them to ride this stuff, and it just kind of cracks me up too, because it's like these spirits, Okay, they're just gonna take the if it's even true, which is probably not. But they just take these spirits like who they say they are
for, you know, for their word. I mean, they don't think there's like we know about the fallen Angels. If you're gonna believe in all that other stuff, then you must believe about the fallen angels. Do you not think these angels are brilliant and these fallen angels and they can trick you and tell you, trick you into riding their stuff, you know what I mean? Like well think, I mean, Isaac Wise thought does it does
a much better job than we do. But he I remember on a show the hundreds of artists, whether it's Nicki Minaj or Beyonce, they all say, you know, a spirit takes over and went before they perform or before they write. And so it's just these people will I guess it's literally like that deal with the devil. I know that's like so ridiculous and like flashy to say, but I guess that's what it is too, because how else
do you let another spiritual thing or anything inside your body? You know, that's that's a very odd that's a that's a big jump to take from saying be a regular person to demons or spirits please fill me up and take my personality for me. Yeah, And it's it's like the dumb saying you'll never put the you know, the toothpaste back in the tube. I mean, once you make a deal with something like that, I mean, if you really do that, I mean you know that bad stuff is going to happen.
There's no question. And um to think that these beings, if they they really exist, are good, I mean I think that's insane, vain, it's just plain insane. Do you think that's why the big push for psychedelics and drug usage in this day? I mean, you know, drug use has never been more socially acceptable never. I mean I when I was a drug addict, I like hated when people were like, oh, no, he has a disease like cancer, and I was like, no,
I don't we talking about No, I don't like I'm struggling. I'm totally mess but no, I am nothing like this poor person that has brain cancer that's got a month to live. Like I made these decisions consciously. I knew what I was doing, but um, yeah. But you think that's like plays a role in this this the promotion of you know, lots of
psychedelics. I definitely do, because I mean they kind of go hand in hand or like the whole New Age movement, you know, they were doing psychedelics, you know, years and years ago with the very first of that
movement, you know. So I think that that goes hand in hand and makes people more open to believing or probably even accepting, you know, if you believe that kind of stuff, accepting these spirits or these ideas, and you know, if you follow these like and I don't wear a stand on it, but like people who like these exorcisms and different things like that, it's usually these people who were susceptible. They have to be susceptible to these
spirits. You know. Usually they're like there's a catastrophe and they really don't have a foundational set of beliefs and they let the spirit into them and then you know, they get inhabited or whatever. And so I think that definitely that would make you weak. And you know, and like I look back to like um Huxley, Altis Huxley, and I don't know if he talked about spirits and stuff like that. He was a scientific guy, but he was a big pusher of LSD. And then Leary I think was like his
protege or something, and you know, Leary would push that stuff. And I think it's been found out now that Leary was at least working for the FBI at one time. So interesting stuff. Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's hard to not believe any otherwise. I mean, like, you know, all these people, my wife's cousin who's he's like a very nice guy. He's very odd, like very nice, which is very odd. And I thought we are like a barbecue the other week. And he's like
and again he's like he's probably on the spectrum. But he just comes up to me. He goes, I just got back from taking Iowa Oscuwa retreat. And I was like, and you know, he doesn't like smoke weed or anything. Like. He just went on you know, the I'm I can't say the word Iowa Oscwa retreat you know, in Mexico, And he just tripped balls for three days in in the forest or whatever, you know, in the jungle. And I was thinking, dude, like that's how
mainstream this is, you know, like he's like a tech guy. He does like coding and stuff. I mean, it's it's not he used to just be you know, the druggis in school or the hippies or whatever. And now no, dude, it's all walks of life and so it can't just be you know, And I struggle with that too, like things from God's creations like mushrooms and stuff, like could they really be bad if he created them? But I don't know. But it's just crazy how it's just
lit a wildfire among you know, the populace. Yeah, and there's there's a big industry for that, you know. And my wife and I we watched it's been a few months ago, and I cannot remember what it was what the name of this show was, but it was a show where all these people went to do I can't remember if it was ayahuasca or something else. But the guy was an ex con and he made the stuff himself, and it showed him like have these stuff in these vats or whatever. It
was just like gross all around there. These people would pay big money to come there and do it and trip out, and man, these people, some of these people were like losing their minds. And this guy's he's like missing teeth. I mean, he is the picture of an ex con. And I'm like, what the hell is wrong with these people? I mean, yeah, it's just to trust somebody like that, and also to put
this substance into your body. I think this was different. I think they actually drank this if I'm not mistaken, and it may have had ayawaska in and it had something crazy in it. Yeah, dude, that's you're exactly like, it's nuts. That's nuts. You just you know, you talk about science and pokes and things, but you'll go to use these drugs. Somebody made like Barefoot, you know, Dirty Rise and Showered in weeks and
you didn't question that at all. But I don't know. Yeah, if they're the one guy on Twitter, I almost had him on the show and it fell through. But he wrote the whole book, this whole book about how psychedelics have been used to you know, to propagandize the public, and you could make even though like people not everyone's just even drugs aside, the propaganda has a similar effect of opening you up. Anyway, These the music,
these artists are ones that are ladding demons possessed them. I mean, you listen to this stuff and it promotes this I guess Luciferianism or your freemasonry or this do as Thou wilt, you know, it's it's amazing, like get this this way to connect with the demons or whatever realm it it's in so many avenues and doesn't us just need to be drugs? Yeah? Absolutely, there just reminds me quickly. I'll just mention this. I have,
you know, used LSD before. It's been years now, but like I used it quite a few times when I was in my band days or whatever, and I'll never forget the last time I did it. Me and my drummer. My drummer was like notorious for knowing shady people, and he could always get whatever you wanted and some things you didn't want. But like, so we go to this guy's house and he's like just pull at the edge of the driveway because he doesn't know you, and then I'll walk down to
his house. It's like, okay, and I'd heard like this guy was kind of a legend, this guy that we were going to his house, like he was a Golden Cloves boxer and just h he seemed like a really cool guy, but like not one of those guys you would he was almost like too cool. You didn't want to like get close or whatever. Right, So anyway, but I could see them, and I was, you know, like the he lived down a hill, so I could see them. My buddy goes to his door. They both walk out to an old
abandoned car in the edge of the yard, all rusted up. The guy opens up the trunk and I see him stick his hand into the trunk and pull out like a thermist, like a coffee thermis, like an old school one. Yeah, and he does something with his hand and then gives it to my drummer and he comes up, you know, and and we leave.
But then it was a really hard trip and it was one of those where some things kind of happened and it was like one of those that was not fun, and you ended up just sitting there thinking really deeply for a long time. You know, we looks very short. I had the epiphany after I was coming down because I even though when I was doing it, I hated people who bragged about, you know, they were getting these like big ideas and they found God or they found the meaning of the world.
They thought they were so cool. After they tripped, you knew everything. It is hit me. This is like when you have like a traumatic incident in your life and afterwards you do learn you feel like you've learned from it. But I feel like it's it's like it's kind of like putting. It's a lot of pressure on your like mind when you trip, it's like really stressful, you know, you know what I mean, in your body afterwards you feel just like dead point, dude. It does that. It simulates
that it's not like you've learned anything. You know, You're not making this like I don't know. It just hit me, you know. I was
like huge. I was like, I'm never gonna do this shit again because this is a bullshit you know, excuse my language, but yeah, anyway, I hope that that was an awesome epiphany whenever you had that, because that's it's your I like I remember saying, like, you know, it's work to trip and like you know, oh, like damn, dude, that day was crazy, Like it wasn't like and you look back on it and you're right, it's not like you're usually it's pretty stressful. I mean
I kind of find it. I don't find it that enjoy That's why I haven't done it in so many years, because it's it's not enjoyable. I don't think, well, I think it's like I mean, when it's coming down, it's enjoyable. When he said it's pete, dude, you're you're screwed up, man, You're all out of the place. And you know, I never found it that fun. But that's such a good point though.
It's like trauma based up programming. Dude. If they talk about the serial killers and all these it's a traumatic event and you're now more open to manipulation especially, and I bet that's what Manson did. They're they're tripping balls, they're kind of freaking out, they're coming down. He's whispering in their ear, and that's the best time it's gonna stick. They're gonna have these realizations because they just had trauma. Dude, you might be onto something huge.
Dude, that was awesome. Well I wish I could have said it more eloquently. I couldn't get the words out, but yeah, I mean, it's that's the way I felt. Man. I still feel that way to this day, and I feel like the people around me he were, you know, just thinking that they've learned all these things. It just come to me. I'm like, I see those people afterwards, and that's totally
gone away after a few days. Anyway. It's just kind of like, you know, one of those things that makes you feel good afterwards or whatever. But yeah, that's my point on it was that was a great That was huge. That was awesome, dude. Wow, good for you. I've never heard that before. I think you know, people you know, because like if you're going through a traumatic experience, you know, it's like it lasts quite a few hours and uh, but not not like having a
real traumatic experience in your life. And so I went through in just a few hours something really stressful on your mind and your body, and and then you're open to uh, you know, believe and when you start to come down, you all you also feel you're glad you're starting to come down, you know, so you're kind of like thinking of all these things. And
so anyway, dude, No, that's and that like helps me. You know, sometimes things just click in my I'm not as smart as a lot of people, but I here something like now makes so much sense to like this and not that, um, you know, Dave McGowan's books didn't make sense, but now I can get Aggrat's a great I can, you know, imagine in my head now because I never really had something super traumatic happened to me. So when he writes about that, how this is how they
brainwash, you know, create an alter ego. Yeah, I'm reading it, but I can't really understand it. But the way you just said that, dude, that's exactly it. You're you're you're just like, oh God, and you have somebody that comes over that's reassuring, that's supportive, that's helpful. You're you're gonna be somebody that's much more willing to listen to their
advice follow their orders if you're this trauma broken down individual too. Yeah, and especially you know, especially, you know, if like they've kind of like given you these if you're going, especially like you're going to a place like you mentioned, and and they're kind of you've already got these preconceived ideas of what's going to happen in your mind because of like you've watched Joe Rogan
or you know, somebody like that talk about these these different things. I can imagine it can be really you could just imagine that certain things were real and they're not at all. Dude, Man, what a great way to end the I wish we led with that. I'm gonna be thinking about this all night. That was so good. Wow, that just puts into such perspective for somebody like me who hasn't had, you know, very dramatic life.
But that after those things and you're right and you think you you think you learned something, or you come out with like this idea that you had a realization when often it was you know, very miniscule realization. But that's that's great too. Well, where can people listen to you? Are you on YouTube or no, I'm not, okay, someone in the chat ass,
but where can people find j od Man and all that stuff? Yeah, man, so thank you for having me, and you can find me an underscore the odd Man Out on Twitter and Instagram and in the profiles there you can find all my other links. I'm on podbean and The odd Man Out dot podbean dot com. So that's where the show is. And yeah, I preach about twenty people watching, So thank you all the people in the chat. I'll be I'll promised to do better. I've just been my
floor. I've been so busy, so but I'm slow. I'm finally almost done. We've got the bedroom left. So next week i'll I'm reading the politics of Heroin and so we'll start going down that road. And uh yeah, so that's it, guys. I'm Jack Allen. Follow me at co Jack Podcast. Thanks for listening everybody, and I'll see you soon. Take care