@JohnnyVedmore joins COJAC

What is going on? Everyone? Welcome to another episode of Conspiracy or just a coincidence. I am Jack Allen. If you're not following me, Echo Jack Podcast. But I am very excited for tonight's guests. You know, being in this world or whatever, you recognize people who actually put in so much time and effort and research as opposed to people that just say these crazy things that sound great but just also make us look foolish. Johnny is obviously

not one of those guys. He's one that puts in so much time and effort into research and studying these connections. So I'm excited to have him on. Johnny Welcome. How are you doing today, buddy? Yo, Jack Man, I'm really happy to be on. I'm really really happy to be here, and thanks for the kind words. Like I do spend a lot of time with my nose on the grindstone, try trying to get ahead of

everything and trying to get trying to work out what's going on. Yeah, yeah, well, and so how long are you because how long you been doing this like this researching and all exposing all this. Yeah, I mean I started research and I think for all researchers it's hard to know when because

you automatically kind of become a research or you're not. You you want to know more, so you go and read one article, you go read another article, you go read another article, and then at some point you leave the articles and you go somewhere else and you go look at a little bit more information than a little bit more. And then suddenly you find like databases and archives which then you could troll through, and then you find like you're

looking for things. You know, it doesn't start off with you looking for conspiracies or stuff. You're looking for other things. And then you get to loose, you know, learn how to use all the technology and rue. And it was for me it was about two thou fifteen. I was having like a bit of a spiral in my life. I was a musician. I had spent a lot of years being ill. I was on drugs. I was hooked up. I had got up to morphine, like I had people who were feeding me really heavy drugs, and I was going out.

I was like I was, I was out of here. Two thousand and fifteen. I was like checked out, I am going to kill myself, like this is it. And then I reached a point where I was like, Okay, well I really do actually want to do that. I really do want to get get out of this because I hate it all. And so I went up to the hillsides in Wales and I picked a load of

Welsh magic mushrooms, loads of Welsh magic mushrooms. And I spent three months basically saying, Okay, I'll spend three months tripping because I mean, if I'm going to die anyway, then you know all the warnings that don't make no difference anyway, and I'll like investigate my mind inside outside darkness, sit there, meditating, learned about myself, and I was trying, and I got to the point where I realized, well, if I'm going to die, and it made it all go out shooting, picking and and really I

knew what was deep down, what was the problem inside me. I had so much I wanted to say, And what you said at the beginning is really important. You know loads of people, and I wanted to be that person who was saying stuff and it meant something to somebody. But anything I said at that point would be vacuous. You know. I could talk about something I knew, but it would just be I wouldn't care about it because all of the things I knew I didn't really care about. I didn't have

a passion for them. I felt I felt like a great like lots of people, like an emptiness, and I knew where. I knew where I needed to go. I knew where the direction was, and I got on a wave. I've talked about this a lot with people, you know, I got on a comic wave. I said. I had loads of troubles. I mean, the reason why I got to that space in my head was, you know, I had been groomed by a pedophile when I was

young. My my my my who like childhood had been a mixture of physical abuse, chological abuse, and had I had kind of been ill from when I was thirteen with something called Graves disease. It was undiagnosed. That was twenty seven and I was almost down. I had all these troubles and all these issues, but at the end of the day, I knew that the real thing I was running away from was the truth of everything. Realizing,

you know, I had got to a point I realized something. I had to find something really obvious about myself during this time that if I didn't know something I was scared to look, and I think loads of us feel like that, and we'd give into that. It's like it's like given in to greed or the it's like not examining your own ego because it's so fucking scary.

It's so so scary to look at yourself properly. And you know that if you examine others, the moment you examine others, you project that examination back onto yourself. And then you start studying yourself. And then you feel really bad because you're too busy, you're judging other people. And then you realize at some point, oh god, i'm judging that person, but I'm doing the same thing. And then you know, what you learn is that

by studying others, you become better yourself. But you don't want to become better at the start, because your fear change. You fear that you'll lose yourself, your fear that you'll become someone else, that you'll go on a journey and you won't be able to turn back from it, and you'll get on the wave. And once you're on the wave, there ain't no getting off the wave. The wave pushes you along. And I've been like I've been since two fifteen sixteen, I've been I hopped on the wave, I

didn't get off, and it's been mad. My life has been crazy. It's got crazier and crazier, and I'm you know, I have moments of synchronicity every week where everything just like I'm able to go and talk to someone, suddenly something happens that means I can help them, or I can do something that benefits somebody else, And that is my life now. I kind of just keep stepping forward to the next thing and stepping forward. I have

these conversations. I know, I know, I feel like I'm not a religious man, but I do believe that there's a similarity between my idea of what the universe is, what karma is, what the wave I'm on is, what truth is, and everything that religious people, you know, teach and learn is so much similarity. They're basically these same things. Just there's no infrastructure to what I believe. It's just the feeling, the understanding truth,

love, goodness, and knowledge. Just taking all of the knowledge and see what that says about yourself. Then and after a while you learn yourself so well that you no longer have to look at yourself and then you can see the information. And I just want to say one more little thing for it. Yeah, man, there was something that that happened with researching for all budding researchers or whatever or writers, you know. I learned this process

where I go in and I drag net information. So I take all of the information I can find about any one subject, I put in chronological order, and I put it down on tape paper. I basically link it up so people can understand it. But basically I'm just giving them a straight fact. But for me, at first trying to go through that process, I had so much ego, so much emotional experience that affected how I viewed the subjects that I was researching. And they're always bad people, so you'll always

feel like you want to judge them anyway. But I knew that I had to like get out of that frame of mind. And slowly, what I've discovered is that now what I do is I spend a day or two days hate rage researching whatever I'm doing, and then it all goes so at some point she enters like this, it becomes everything is viewed stoically from an exterior view. I'm just suddenly I'm no longer like emotionally attached to all these things, and I can go right, and now I can really examine a subject.

And that was only after all of those things, all of that journey, all of those sort of like the culmination of all this experience and letting go of certain parts of my own sort of like and like I said,

I keep saying the word ego, and it really is. It's like, you know, you examine information from your own perspective, or you have to lose your own perspective at some point, and your perspective is viewed through this prism of your own independent identity, which is so obviously attached to the ego and the idea of the ego. So now that's where I got to. Now now I study information. I look at information, and I'm able to put it in chronological order and wap it out there. And but go,

wow, you're doing something that no one does anymore. And yeah, it seems so simple, But there was a whole like a litany of tragedy, right you happened for me to understand how simple everything is. High dude, I love it. That's a that was a beautiful sentiment. So since you started because I was also I was a heroin addict, so I was like

you for a long time. But in so since you kind of start being really heavily research in twenty fifteen, is it just our perspective that things have just gotten like infinitely crazier these last three years or has it acts like, have you also noticed this just uptick of insanity? Yeah, I think it's an exponential growth in insanity. It just keeps going up. It really kicked off. I would personally say that it started around two thousand and eight to

two and ten. You could feel since something was different, like the leash

had been taken off politically. And then the next like three four five years, you saw this introduction of these new characters on the scene that were almost like um the like a formed Hegelian dialectic being formed, you know, manifest in creating the Jeremy Corbyn in the UK, the Victor Orban in Hungary, the Donald Trump in America, the creation of the counter narrative so that the establishment that was losing had had the enemies so that they could be the heroes

again and they could say, look at these enemies, Let's fight these enemies. And then so so all of these things had a cycle. So you had like a four year cycle where they changed, like like I say two and ten to twenty and fourteen, where they started to change that sort of narrative started to say, Okay, we got to paint ourselves as a hero sumhow because we're so so not so, we need a load of enemies. The creation of the enemies, then the slander of the enemies that took.

I mean that's for people in Britain as well. I mean you had in America, you had Trump and etc. In Britain we had that so heavily with Corbyn. It was twenty sixteen, seventeen eighteen. He was just saying the nastiest things about him and doing and then we had these Brexit things. But all of these things were like everything was getting crazier and crazier, and

it was like exponential growth of craziness, constantly going up. And when it hit you know, and I think we everybody kept saying, oh a gender twenty twenty one or twenty we're getting there. Wait, wait, we're getting there now, and people did really realize what that meant, and it really did. It does seem that from twenty twenty one, there really had been a complete rollout of a new ideology, a transhumanist ideology, a way to

change things for the future. The the the agenda that they wanted to enact has started in twenty twenty one, just as I said it was, and they aimed to get most of it done and sealed off by twenty thirty. And I think we're only going to see this like increase and increase and increase. So so the next like seven years are gonna be nuts. It gonna be nuts. I don't think we'll we even recognize the human race to an extent afterwards, because they will have messed around with it and forced us apart

so much. So, Yeah, that's what I that's what I see. But that's my own personal view from all of the going. What's so I like struggle with this all the time, this the war and like Ukraine because I flip flop back and forth between all these people are all owned by the same bankers or whatever, like is this just all k fave you know, WWE what's your take on is this Ukraine war? Are we actually antagonists with Russia? You know? I always bring up I don't know if you ever

read Anthony Sutton's Boy or is that Wall Street trilogy? But he brings up how the Soviet Union and the Bolshevik Revolution all couldn't have happened without American and German capitalist bankers. So you know who's really an enemy? So what's what do you think is Ukraine? Russia? Is this a real bad our people?

You know, what do you think's going on there? Yeah? I think this is still What you've got to realize is that the style of warfare is nessar is probably different from the prevailing agenda of the time, and they come from two different times and two different agendas. So the style of warfare is the overarching fear of mutually a short destruction with underneath perpetual limited warfare,

warfare that has planned to go on forever. And you see it. I mean it's very very very describable with Ukraine because you have like a Russian unit retreats and any Ukrainian rap into the area, and then the Russians move into an area in the Ukrainians quickly retreat and then backwards and forwards. Now, this was kind of agreed on by American and Russia through a load of after

Kissinger wrote Nuclear War and Foreign Policy in nineteen fifty seven. By nineteen fifty eight, they were publicly talking about the ideas that he brought up in There any idea of saying to the Americans, listen, we don't want to use these big nuclear weapons like you're developing. I mean, eventually, within a few years from then, Russia would develop the massive, the biggest nuke to ever be go off. We don't want to do that because that's no good

for we all die, So we don't want to play that game. What we got to do is agree to have a basically a smaller, limited nuclear warfare. We don't want to use a big sticks, will use smaller nukes. Again, beans to each other, and if we can agree on that, then we can get on with it. You know, John Foster Dullus was saying this out loud in nineteen fifty eighties, like in newspapers. I covered this, Like in newspapers they're saying, you know, we can't fight

you. But in that newspaper article I'm referring to, they were saying, but the Russians won't listen to us. The Russians still want to play with their big sticks. But the Russians were as as scared as the Americans were. So what the what the Russians did was eventually get on board. What happened through the sixties and the seventies and the eighties and the nineties and the naughties too. Now we see the same thing happen perpetual limited warfare, constantly

going Vietnam warfare. That was Kissingers war. Yeah, and then it had already been developed and practiced before. But then you're talking like, oh god, every single conflict Afghanist that first Afghanistan, first, second Afghanistan, but all of it is perpetual limited warfare. It's Kissinger war. So it's not meant to win, it's not meant to be. It's meant to cause instability

in the minds of us, the peaceful folk. So we will accept whatever they say, and we will say see them as a savior on whichever side we are. And they're playing the same game. So the Russians, I mean, the words they will use to their own populations of the same words the Americans will use to their populations, and the bridge will use to their populations. And it's a safe, agreed upon strategy. And if you look at them. I was on Russian Federal TV documentary the other day talking yeah,

yeah, talking about Kissinger. They wanted to talk to me about Kissinger's International Seminar Harvard and how cloud Swab came to power, because of course that

fits their narrative. But I was talking about the Kissers International Seminar, which was running the fifties and sixties out of Harvard and was a training program to bring up young global leaders and was really and what what Kaid Schwab went from and Claishwab would later create the Global Leaders for Tomorrow and the Young Global Leaders

program and so that he would he would do the same thing. But what they don't know what the Russian TV don't realize while they were, you know, saying, oh yeah, look how bad all of these people are. Well, there was two programs that were started in nine ninety two nine ninety

three. There was Global Leaders for Tomorrow, which would be young global leaders, and there was something that was I think it was called the Young Patriot program, which was the Russian version run by the same people to choose the future leader of Russia. And there was free candidates, only free candidates to the Russian Patriot one of them was Vladimir Putin, and that was nine two, ninety ninety three. Yeah, and by nineteen ninety nine, yeah,

since turning around just saying that's your new leader. By you know, that's it. That that's how it is. It's already eat the same people, choosing the same things, greening on the same battle, fighting on the same battlegrounds under the same agenda, but the agendas from something in the fifties. But the actual style of warfare, it's the silo warfare is from something like that. But the actual agenda that's on the ground is also kind of like

that, but it's a morphed version. And both sides, like the Russians and the West, they have the same things going on behind the scenes. They're creating CBDCs, they're injecting their people with whatever, and they're doing all of the same things that everybody else is doing because they're going the same direction.

And when they're not at war, well, they've got cyber Polygon going at the World Economic Forum where Tony Blair, American intelligence officials and Michael mus Shustin, the Prime Minister or president of Russia, can't remember which way it is now at the one of them's you know, puts one and he swaps around all the time. Are the people and that one of the head of Spur Bank, the Russian bank are all part of the cyber Pologne program together,

you know. It's it's a really thin line between this war and it's all a narrative, and so is it really happening? There are people dying, These people don't care, They don't care about people dying, and it helps to pop up the idea to or the majority of people that they could one day be in that situation of dying. You know, it's not necessarily whether who's dying, it doesn't really matter. As long as they're reporting death, then people have fear of death and the process continues. And that was

the best explanation I've ever heard. That was awesome. Limit, that's exactly what it is. It's a limited forever war, dude. That was beautiful. Oh my god, that's exactly Jack. Is that because it's it's just so hard to you know, decipher what's real what's not. But and that's but that's literally I'm just in my mind, you know, I'm like processing this. That's what every war has been. You know, we dropped forty We left forty billion dollars in a country that we spent billions fighting for nothing

because it was again this limited warfare that you just mentioned. That's just look at look look at what's happening over the past week. Yeah, um I and it works for me as well. It works for me. I don't I don't claim to be um immune to it yet. But I hear about this Wagnus, this Wagnus stuff, this um Russian. I can't remember what the guy's name is. I can never remember the name. Is this a

passing guy? Anyway, it'll you'll be dead in a week. Um. I hear about this and it comes on and the first feeling I have is like this tingle over me, all over me, like oh my god, I'm watching history. I'm watching history app And then I have this like ring in my head that comes in there and says, stop it, John, it's a it's a it's a bloody mainstream US. What are you doing to

stop? Stop believing what they're saying and think about it. And then I'm like, oh, wait a minute, Oh this is probably a load of balls, isn't it. So I'm watching it and I'm thinking Okay, what are they telling me. They're telling me that this guy is marching on Moscow

with military units. He's going to take down your Moscow, he's going to take it over, and this at the other and I got a friend saying that to me on the side, and another friend over there saying, oh, yeah, this looks real, and I'm like, no, it's not going to be real. It's going to turn out that none of this what they've said on the mainstream media is correct. And even though I feel that it's right as well, and it's real, and I feel the tingles as

well. Right, the only difference between like accepting that and going forward it is just like it's not using your rational mind. That's the only thing. You have to stop using irrational mind, because irrational mind is every single time

they lie to you. And now I look at the news from what they're saying, they're saying, oh, no, he was saying he was demonstrating and he had no intention to take Moscow, and he was marching to Rostov to speak with two guys who refused to speak with him, and he'll probably be dead within a week. Now. That's that's like completely different than the Felia get a beginning, you know, and it's five days. Nowadays they

can't keep one of these narratives going for a week, you know. It's it's when we're talking about how quickly things are moving and how fast and more rapidly it's developing. That's an example of it. Something like that. Used to be like months and months and months and people talking backwards forwards. Now it's just like five days, and it's exposed now to the next SI up, onto the next sie up. This is fifth generation warfare. This is what they do. This is what we can expect soon. We won't even

know soon. Yeah, they'll they'll type in AI, they'll type in Russia, scare the bloody people, and the ai'll go brah and make a load of reports. You have report, tell you something that seems exactly true, and everybody's heart rate will go up. Dude, you're in that again. Like and it's a good U micro macro of society. Like how you said these SI ups used to be able to be dragged out for months. I

mean, people can't pay attention for longer than thirty seconds. So they need to keep this, these these fresh new stories that captivate and interest because the public can't even read a book. Probe ninety percent hasn't read one in twenty years, you know, So yeah, I know. No, man, it's amazing. It's a it's amazing to see how switched off people are. And I talk to Oh my god, I can't. I can't even I can't talk to people. I talk. I try and talk to people about

like normal people in the park, about what's going on. People I know really well. I try and say, you know, this is going on, this is going on, and they're still defending marks or some stuff like that. You know, I'm having arguments where it's like base sprint arguments about marks, and it's like, we're well beyond marks now, people, well

well beyond that. We're well beyond talking about like a theory from the eighteen hundreds which will be completely irrelevant in the next ten years because of how technology is moving. We're well beyond having conversations about which way we should go. We need to have already chosen our direction, because our enemies, the people who were against us, have all chosen their directions. They've all sealed this up. I mean, when I was talking about the Young Global Leaders Program

earlier, that was the fall of the Berlin Wall. They instantly set up this program first year as Tony Blair, Victor Orban Nicholas Sarkozy, Anglo Merkel, Gordon Brown, Bill Gates, Richard Branson, all of the boys, all of the boys. The first year they started it up because they knew we're about to take over everything. And by nineteen ninety seven they'd already been

installing all of their people into power and they'd already won. And I've said to plads of people were so far behind in the party, like we're twenty five years late to the party. There's twenty five years. We're only just working out now that the whole thing was sealed up and organized then. And it's now been going for so long it's become industrial. And how do you stop something that's industrial apart from ending up at war? That's a absolutely dude,

damn man. So I so that's kind of like what I you know, I wanted to be like an action. I almost like would prefer to be actual animosity between China and America because there it leaves room for like a good guy versus a bad guy, I guess, or a better alternative.

But it's more it's almost more depressing to know that they're all on the same page, because it's just as screwed everywhere, you know, It's like, yeah, the Chinese, the Chinese are particularly I mean, it's it's particularly interesting for us in the West because do you know, have you ever gone onto a Chinese website? I who ever gone into the Chinese into web whatever it is, I don't know what it is. I did a bit of research into wuhan Um righting to start and looked at their their their pages.

It's hilarious actually, because it's like October twenty nineteen, there's suddenly the websites just stop saying stuff almost completely. And that is really the time when it got released like that, they crack themselves. It goes clear and then and then they start, like a few weeks later, they start producing things again

on there. Other than that, it just goes dead for that period and you can tell what but but but there's not much on these sites, you know, there's not much, and we can't understand it anyway because it's all in bloody Chinese, so we don't even know what's going on in there.

And Chinese culture is so different from Western culture that even if you talk to a Chinese person in the street, it takes you, it would take you probably a year of knowing each other before you could get past cultural boundaries to be able to have a proper conversation about what's really going on in China and what the people in China feel like and how they act. And I've I just I just don't think we have a realization of what's really going on there.

What's going on there is just they're about five years ahead of the plan that's going on over here, and it's the same plan, the same things going happening. They're creating megacities at high high speed, and I think, I think what China gets to do it without with authoritarian rule so they don't have to worry about going through all the procedures, so they're racing along on

it. And that that was something I think the Kissinger, the World Economic Forum and others worked out in the late seventies early eighties, maybe even before that. They'd already like mapped out and gamed out which countries were going to do the best in the future, and they knew that that, yeah, China wasn't just going to be a manufacturing base forever. Eventually it would step

up to the next level and then it would be the ruling power. And I think a lot of what the New World Order Kissing Your ideology was aimed at was trying to co opt and aligned with China for when that time comes, so that that China doesn't feel threatened when that time comes, and America it still can remain on top somehow However, that doesn't isn't how it's playing out in reality, because China is always going to get a little bit threatened.

And this is a problem. You know, they're all on the same agenda, but they all want their version of the agenda to go interesting. Yeah, so so I mean, can you imagine once there's Chinese CBDCs, Russian CBDC, m a European CBDC, in an American CBDC, who's gonna then say, okay, which one of you then gives up all your CBDCs and created good joins our CBDC to make the one global government CBDC. And then they'll all be like, I don't think I want to do that quite

now. You know, it gets up to a point where we've and it's been foreseen within fiction and within other things that you'll end up with three major superstates more likely than the global government because people argue, and those super states will probably be somehow aligned with race, So there would be possibly like an entire Americans and the European and then the Chinese. And we can't kind of

see that playing out now anyway. And like I say, they're heading towards the same things technologically, the same And when you go and look at things

that Epstein and Clinton were doing with China, it's crazy. They were just selling off everything you want to elaborate anything there is I oh god, I can't remember where it is, but I was researching for one Nation under Blackmail volume two for Whitney Webb, and we were looking at loads of I mean, I was looking at the trips with Clinton and Epstein, and we had loads of conversations about the evidence and what the evidence point there, and the

evidence points really what they would do in intelligence level, especially in Asia, was selling off nuclear technology to the Chinese in a way that is completely and utterly illegal, so far beyond illegal. But it doesn't matter because by the time that the Chinese will benefit from that, they'll also be getting selling nuclear technology of some type to America back was a force because they're all on the

same side. But they've got to do this behind the scenes to create the air of this we're against you and your against that's we're rivals and all of this. Really, these people, the people like Clinton after he left the White House and Epstein and others are going around and doing the stuff behind the scenes that they won't talk about that they're doing out loud. But we all know what's going on. So why is Hunter Biden hanging around in places like

China and Ukraine and all of the time. Why is all of if you really you look at Kloud Schwab, where's Kloud Schwab's son, Olivier Schwab, where's he hanging out China? All of them? China? Yeah, Young Kerman who was an Epstein associate. And because I've mentioned a name now this will be pulled off YouTube. I'm very sorry about that. Well, she pulls off all of rich men anyway, So young Kerman, Jesus say she went. And it's like they all go through this Chinese route at some point.

They all go through Chinese because they can make loads of money in China, and all the Chinese want to be unforced. You know, they're co

opting each other, they're selling each other's technology to each other. And it doesn't matter because technology is moving so fast growth technologies or jung that by twenty years time nuclear technology will be easy to counteract with whatever terrible, horrible technology in the future is fought up. And it was people like Herman Khan, who was one of the mentors of Claud Schwab and called the real doctor Strange Lave, who mapped all of this out in the year two thousand and the

next two hundred years two documents which basically at the Hudson Institute they gamed out in nineteen sixty six nineteen sixty seven, they gamed out all of the potential future technologies that were likely in the foreseeable future, anything you could possibly get

to and the likelihood of us actually achieving that. What you discover is that that technology move rises so quickly that in nineteen forty five the whole world changed because of the atomic bomb, and that was a shift where one technology changed in tire light like they created an epoch and at the start of a new epocal era. Later on, later on we got like fight in the next ten years. We got five of those, like powerful technologies about to come

up, you know, in the next hundred years. We've got loads of them. AGI is right at the end of their you know, artificial general intelligence is right, yeah, because after that we're doomed. But in between there, like they got stuff they're going to put in your brain will make all our brains. The saying they got they got things that you'll you'll stick in your um, you're stick in your bomb. It doesn't make no difference. They'll stick them everywhere. We'll be flying around, We'll be around,

will be planting stuff inside us, will be something different. Before you know it, Hey, before you know it, you'll be uploading your mind to the hive mind and you'll be hanging out with Bill Gates inside Bill gates brain. How about that, and you'll be chuckling together. Well, you won't need to chuckle because you won't feel anymore. And you won't need to feel because you're part of the collective. You're part of and that's that. You

know, this is what these people are describing as well. When you look at the transhumanist like Barbara Marks Hubbard, you get into a point where they start to say where we going, Oh, we'll do all of this technology and then it'll move really quick. We'll get to AGA and then we'll all upload our brains to the system and live in complete harmony where we're orgasming to the sound of children all of the time. You know, it's insane where

they go. You already kind of see that, you know, you're already like on Twitter you see this high I mean it's just one side or the other. But they all have the same exact you know, like how you just talk about Poigan or whatever, that Russian guy. I remember all these Jeffs the Ukraine flags, like the popcorn eating jefts and cheering. You know, it's it's just too now, it's not perfect harmony. It's just one one side or the other. Yeah, everything's I think I think the fact

of memes, it's everything is is like mimetic. Now, everything is just bouncing off. It's really quick. It's causing like us, like we see something, we know what it is, go ah, and then the next thing exam we go ah, we are and then we're dead. You know. It's like we are constantly distracted. Everything is really describable in in no time, We're picking up We're waking up at a speed that is as fast as the technology is improving, as fast as the authoritarian rule is being put

on us, is as fast as um the agenda is is going. You know, we are waking up as fast. Everything is related, Everything is linked. Whether we like it or not, we will it is true and we will see. When I said earlier, you know, I've had loads of like examples of synchronicity in my life recently, when things have been like, oh man, I'm obviously here to do this thing right now, or to say this thing right now, and a lot of it is just little

things, just helping people in my area. I'm meeting people and like suddenly I'm having a conversation. I realize I'm the person to say this thing to them now, and then it makes them be able to go on or get something that. I feel that that's going to keep happening as well. I feel that there's like as things go into crisis, more people say I see crisis. I know what crisis looks like. I've experienced crisis, and we

can go through this together. So there's you know, there's really a negatives happening, but there's real positives because the normal, everyday the reaction, the automatic reaction to crisis is for solution and for people to try and find ways through the crisis. Um, so it's not all doom and glue. There are there is like good stuff in there. No you have. Yeah, you can't be a total black belt, you know, that's that's too depressing to live life like. Yeah, but I mean it looks pretty bad,

doesn't it does outlook does look bleak? Yeah, they're talking about bees that can give you diseases. I mean, things are pretty bad. I don't know. I don't know. I think this is something else that Herman Canter I mentioned earlier. This is something else. Is something he said is that you know, we have so many different challenges coming towards us in the next fifty sixty years, that some of them are extinction level events if we do

not manage them and we do not handle them properly. And yet we're walking towards it. We're running towards it, we're screaming towards it. We're sending people like Epstein and Hunter Biden in to it to manage it and to to to exchange it. And we're not talking about it. Probably just in case the other side finds out and we hide it away and give it to the most nefarious people. You know, this is the direction. We're aheaded, we are humans. We keep doing the same thing. A lot of it

is killing ourselves. Dude, that that was beautiful as well. That's that's do you think? Um? I know, I'm just like asking random questions now, but you're so well so I always like run into these questions, so kind of changing the topic a little bit. But I always am wondering why are is intelligence spycraft so linked with the occults and banking? Why are

these three things? And you're like, why are they all you know, like John d for a magician spy and Crowley and all these people and uh, you know Parsons, so many people these people are spies and but also like Pratt or magicians. What what's like linking these two things together? Okay? Is I think one of the things is literature. So one of the things that people who are in comprehensives like me I went to I don't know why we call it public schools over here, like like, but I think

it's public schools. Well, we just state schools. Like you know, people who aren't educated so much. Well, we've had our the curriculum, things on the curriculum removed. All of the stuff that can help us progress in certain ways has been removed. But some of that comes with elements of other things. So when I say this, you go back to philosophy,

angel philosophy, Marcus are really is so greate? Stuff like that that was all taken out of the curriculum in the UK for good reason, because it leads people to have logical fort and be able to rationalize things and be able to note fallacies, etc. But also in studying it, you're allowed to think esoterically. Now you're also allowed to look at things ancient stories that give

you really like it deeply. If you look at them deeply and you look at the real themes involved in them, then you're able to say, um, I understand humanity, I understand the world around me, and I can act in certain ways. But it also leads you to end up looking at things maybe maybe not religiously, and maybe that didn't suit the religious orders at

the time. That's why that sort of ancient sort of philosophy was taken out, like the Greek and stuff was taken out because because you know, it didn't sit well with biblical scholars or whatnotum but eventually there was there was there was a magic attached to that as well. There was a magic attached to the ancient stuff. When you re read the Greek tragedies and stuff like that, you know there was a magic always within there and an essence of it.

And I think it was a pagan thing that was lost as well, is like an element of pagan ritual that can be lost. But that's that's kind of not all. That obsession becomes something that the rich know that they have knowledge of that they know separates them from the poor. And they know

Latin, they know these things in the original language. They know this, or that they know more, they know more, they know more, and and because of that then that gives them identity and allows them to create certain organizations like well, the Freemasons or Bohemian Grove, or as I mentioned in podcast the other day that the kit Kat Club in the UK, not very well known no Nos for philosophers and scholars, et cetera, was recreated by

Gilaine Max as well in the nineties or the naughties. Because these people all educated at the same level are all in the same sort of like cliques, and with it comes a lot of magic. So Bohemian Grove, you know, a lot about Bohemian Grove was about them having a play. They had certain plays that were repeated. But then they had people come in and do really extravagant like really famous playwrights and stuff come in and write amazing screenplays.

And I have all of these guys do all of this, but it was all about magic. It was all about these things, and it captures the mind, it catchures the imagination. But then a lot of these people's families are connected with things like freemasonry, where they speak rituals and they're taking what is like a certain paths that is obviously has again like esoteric thinking attached to it, and this sort of cult, this feeling of cult, is always

there. They have to be members of gangs, they have to be members as a groups. They have to be organizations. They have to be on the committee of the committees. They have to have a council of far relationship around tables, they have to have all of these different things. They have to have these organizations that are hermetic organizations, you know, and that always ends up then with Okay, it's not related to religion, it's outside religion.

Let's create our own mysticism. And then these guys then think. The first thing that they think of is going back to the things they would talk when they were young. And most of these rich people would talk about Greek tragedies and all of these other things, and lots of Shakespearean stuff and ghosts and this that the other. So I think I think there's an element of that to it. I think the reason why they end up there is because

they're more classically trained. I think that was the same maybe for the Nazis, you know, the I mean, the original Nazis, not what we have today or what we had in the eighties or any of that. And the original Nazis still exists today, but they're just corporates. They're up there in the offices. That's the real Nazis, who are top business guys. So yeah, I think it's classical education. One of the biggest things is

classical education. And I remember when I was about five or six, I was in class two Missus Moxon, and she said to me, this would have been nineteen eighty six, and she said to us, all that we were no longer going to learn about ancient Britain, we were no longer going to learn about Rome or Greece. That instead we were gonna The curriculum that they were going to be teaching the kids from then on was about Welsh history,

which isn't so bad. I suppose I am Welsh World War two, which makes sense because everything those World War and I think it was even the English Civil War, but there was It was like there was a lot of focus on law basically through history, which isn't so bad either, but ended up with then always talking about which trials and stuff like that because it's saucy

and gets kids interested. Yes, But basically what they did is even when I was young, they were removing it out of the correctly removing classical education. Now I'm older and I've looked back at the youth programs that these elites were put through. I'm able to see why those youth programs were designed in

the way they were. And the same people Herman Kahn who I talked about, who wrote the year two thousand and a year two hundred the next two hundred years at the same time he was writing that between nineteen sixty six and ninety sixty eight, he was also writing a secret ancillary document for the State Department which had a section that was about educating leadership group outside society, outside regular society. And then they implemented that, and that's was already they didn't

then the implemented that. That was already what was happening at Kissinger's international seminar. And that's the same mentor of Klaus Schwab. At the same time he was being given to Klaus Schwab as a mentor, was releasing that as a

document. And then we'd go back too with Klaud Schwab and be one of the on the main stage for the first ever world economic form, which was called the European Management Symposium, and would sit up on stage representing those ideas, those exact ideas you're going to, you know, creating a organization that would eventually train leadership group outside society, just as his document had written and

mapped out four years before. So it's all I mean, this is planned, planned, so planned, and it's about set breaking the leadership group from the rest of us. And so that means they have to predefine, they have to pre select. So justin Trudeau get selected why hegemony hegemony? However, he said his father was a leader. His father went through that international seminar, Kissinger's International Deminar, saying when Clouds Swab went through, Pierre Trudeau

went through. In actual fact, I think, Pierre, I'm going to do more research about this, but I've got so much to do that I didn't get round to this. But Pierre Trudeau's father, I think he's actually related to the man who was really behind Kissinger's International seminar, a guy called William Yan del Elliott, who was a grandee on a scale I cannot explain. A close advisor to six US presidents and one of the most important people in history, and no one ever knows about him. You know, it's

just amazing. Yeah, is that? Like, I mean, everyone always says that I read, um, I forget the author, like Barack Obama was the Manchurion Kennedy. But you think that that that I mean that people say, like, you know, just say that all the time, but you think there's some truth then to that. That's that kind of statement that he has a chat for whatever reason as a child, whether it's his grandfather's connections, whatever parents connections, He's pre selected out to be to be pulled

out to be educated outside the US regular folk. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. And I mean I noticed it before I could define it like that. And I feel in the senses of synchlinicity again to me coming across that information and research in Klaus Schwab's Rise and kidsenes into all of that stuff, because I'd also researched other stuff before that, that made then a lot more sense. So, for instance, Ashdown House School in nineteen seventy four,

there was a guy called Billy Williamson. He was the headmaster of Ashdown House School was a private school in Sussex in the UK, and it was an all boys school and Billy Williamson had molested boys for years and years and years. These were rich boys as well, from powerful families, and he was

systematically molesting them over and over again. And in nineteen seventy four, after years and years and years of his reign of terror, a guy called Ali I think his name is Alex Renton wrote a book about his time and how he was molested by one of the teachers at the school. So it was more than just the one as well. Billy Williamson was a beer Bottoms banker. He was a friend of Ian Fleming, who wrote James Bond as well.

Yeah, these people were really heavily connected. Well. Nineteen seventy four, Boris Johnson's father turns up Boris Johnson, Joe Johnson and their daughter. I can never remember her name, woman Johnson female. I think her name of Rebecca or something um. And they they turn up at the school and he says to Billy Williamson, this is no longer going to be a boys school. My daughter is going to come here as well, and you've got to leave. And they don't say why, and he leaves straight away.

Boris Johnson and Joe Johnson go that cose. Boris Johnson's already preselect we know by even when he's going through the following years at Ashdown House, he goes to Eaton and then he's like everybody knows in Eaton he's untouchable and he's going to be a leader one day. He's related to King George the third or

whatever. You know. They have chosen him, They have selected him, they have they have made it so that everything that had affected any boy around would not affect him in the same way that he was complete and then what did it lead to it being? It basically installed into power. Now they're they're battling around like, oh he's terrible's he will come back to power again, just like Trump. It's like a it's it's a juper cut operation.

It's something that you see a lot from America and Britain. Yeah. Yeah, it's like America running the Trump operation and Britain's running the Boris Johnson operation. Both the let's paint them as far right even though they're just a little bit right, uh and and extremely dopey, even though they've both been very successful in like most of the things they do. Um. But but essentially, yeah, they're selected beforehand. Boris Johnson was selected, and only was

he selected, but a private school had to change completely their ways. Um, if they wanted to educate to this futurely educate this future leader. Dude. That I mean, I really, I you know, I think we all suspected that. But that's like just an amazing that's amazing, dude. So my my last question, and obviously you follow American politics, what what happens in twenty twenty four here? What is um? Are they going to install Trump again to cause utter chaos. Are they gonna keep riding with Biden's

Uh, what's going to happen? And h you're hear do you want to hear really brave addiction to brave and dangers? Do you want? Um? Okay um? I'm excited. I think I think that I can't see how Trump could possibly win an election because of the vac stuff. I can't. I I don't understand that. I can't see Biden being on. I can see Kennedy being are very like getting lots of momentum and being dead, dead as a doornail at some point. I see that. That's that's I see

history being purposely repeated in a way that is ritualistic. Cultis is everything that the establishment is. So so maybe this time, okay, so I don't want to be too narrow. Maybe this time Robert F. Kennedy won't make it to be the person who's the Democratic nomination for president, but the next time he will. If he doesn't this time, if he does this time, he's as dead as a doornail. Is history repeating itself, It's being planned out, mapped out. You'll be lifted to power and you will be

shot down in the same way. And it's to remind people who's in charge. It was to remind people who's in charge. Other than that, I mean, if it becomes if I just I can't see how the Democrats won't end up fixing and rigging the game again. Um, if it's I'm saying, if it's anybody, but I think Robert F. Kennedy might get enough momentum to look like the he will win the presidency. Um. That could That could very well happen. But that's only if the Democrats just don't rig

the game again, and they always do so. So what's really likely to happen? I say all of this, buff what's really likely to happen is that they'll go into counting for which who will take over as Joe Biden because Joe Biden is obviously not going to be able to handle another term. So

they'll go in and they'll they'll fix it. We'll all know who it is as soon as it comes up, because it's the one that Bernie Sanders he's going to get run over from, or whoever is that supposed left wing sort of candidate, and it will be some another Obama Clinton Biden, push it in, push it in, push it in push everybody out of the way, um or or it'll be candidy and it'll be tragic and so so that's

that's how I feel about it. That's how I feel about it. I just feel that history is just it repeats itself and we always are like, oh my god, it's repeating itself a game and we've just got to get over that bit. No, dude, that's a brave and that was That's You're right, history always rhymes. I mean, I'm sure when after JFK got us that, no one thought, well, his brother's not gonna get no one his brothers. They can't kill both of them, right. Yeah,

Well that's a that's a I like that. That's a that's a fun prediction. Dude. Well, Johnny, where can people support your work, find you, watch you, support you all those good things? Well I really need people support right now. So thanks for getting me out. Yeah,

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