All right, what is going on? Everyone? Welcome to another episode. Conspiracy or just a coincidence. It's been a while. I think my last show is November. It's been a crazy time, long break. I'm finally back though the baby, I have my my son's home. I got the odd Man with me, so for I'll introduce odd Man first. Odd Man, how are you doing? Thanks for coming. How's it been? Man, It's great to be back with you. It's great to be back period.
Uh you know, I've been kind of laying low myself, not doing as much stuff, and uh, you know, it's it was kind of good to to kind of get some time off. So thank you for asking me on. Oh dude, I'm so happy you're you're able to do it. So without further ado, We'll bring my We'll bring Louie, Louis James Allan, here are you passing to me? Oh? One set? One set, one set? Okay, all right, So everybody, this is mister, this is mister, this is mister Lewis. So here he is.
You're live. You're live, You're you're live to two people the world to see you. He's already a star. And that's right. He's got a conspiracy theorist. All right, you got him? All right? No, so all right, So anyway, so I'm so but thanks man for doing. You know, it's like it's hard, like once you have a baby and pets and life. It was, it's just been you know, it's tough to juggle a podcast and work and you know it's gets life gets
hectic. Oh sure does, man, it sure does. I know exactly what you mean, yeah, dude, And so I I even like I've been listening to a lot of audio books, so like I love this series. It's by Wildering and they're written over like I don't know if you ever heard it. I think, I'm sure I've taught, we've like talked about. But it's like from or ancient times to I think it goes up to maybe the post Revolutionary War, maybe right around there. But it's like twelve
series, twelve books there. It's like like eighty thousand pages and I've just been using audible credit after audible credit and all those I've jumped all around. So now I'm on Napoleon's era. But it's an awesome series because like I don't you know, I know bits and pieces of the history you know, but it's just that's so that's just what I've been it said, I haven't been reading as much, but that's what I just listened to that all the
time. I finished like five of his books already. So if you're ever looking at their amazing, I mean they're so amazing. I've learned so much about like the Renaissance, and you know, he just breaks it up. It's awesome, it's so awesome. Cool. Yeah, but that's been my big so the first time, like I told ad Man, before I even started the show, I had zero plans. I can't. I was washing bottles, uh, you know, before I even came up here. It
was we were struggling. But the biggest topic obviously that I wanted to talk about was the Jewish tunnels being dug in the what's the the Chad Lubadovich, which what is I I feel like you've talked about that group before. Yeah, it's actually I think it's called the hubbad Lubovich. Yes, okay, it's it's it's weird. I've heard it pronounce a bunch of different ways.
But yeah, they're like, you know, kind of a different sect of the Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, and they're what makes them different is they well, for one, they own an absolute unbelievable amount of property, so they're very wealthy. That's not really anything new, but they're very wealthy. And also they I'm blanking on on the title, but they are one of
the few Jewish sex that actually tries to convert people. And what they do is they pay young couples to go out and convert, try to convert people to Judy. Really, they're like the Mormons knocking on door or Joel Witness is knocking on doors. Yes, similar to that very much. So yeah, yeah, because I feel like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I know nothing, but I feel like it's like against the rules to prothless prothlessize or I mean, it's just extremely uncommon. So that's really
weird that they do that. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that they try to convert non Jews, you know, I think they just try to I see, I'm sorry, So they try to convert already Jews to their sect yeah, or just uh, non religious Jews to Judaism. There's their version of it. Yeah, Okay, Well, I saw like the a few interviews on the tunnels, and like the one guy, you know, he was I don't know if he's a member, but you know, they're they're saying it was. It was totally unknown to the leaders of the
synagogue they were doing this. It was done by migrant workers. I'm like, what, dude, come on, you you know such And it was done by a bunch of teenagers from Israel, some far right teenagers. You know, that's such a BS story, unbelievably BS. But I did find it interesting was that they so again this is allegedly they did this because the guy, the guy that they claimed was the Messiah, at one point rebbe
from blanking on his name. I don't know if you know his name who passed away, and like, do you know his name, yeah, knock him Mendel Schneerson, Yes, yes, And he passed and he like six years before he died. He said how he wanted to expand their whole the holy site they have in Crown Heights where they dug the tunnels, and that's why they were digging the tunnels to expand there that that quote unquote holy site. But and and then I found even more interesting was that that's the grave
that the Argentinian president visited when he went to New York. I don't know if you knew that, no, but man, it's coming together. That's really interesting because we've probably talked about this, but that was the grave that Ivanka and Jared had visited the night before Trump was elected and they prayed there. Yeah, no way, dude, So he must have I mean. And then I saw like a few like posters like he like claiming he was
the Messiah, you know, or something like that. And so I found that that interesting as well, is that I don't know if he's still people still share those or hold those beliefs, you know, within that group, but clearly he had a lot of sway and a lot of power to be claimed to be called the Messiah at some point, you know. I mean,
yeah, absolutely. I saw an interview with somebody. It's been a few months ago, but they said that, you know, people certain Orthodox I guess a Bodist if I don't know if that's what they call themselves, but the Bodhists. But in Israel, they still hold signs and say that he's the Messiah. So damn wow. And they call yeah, and they call him Rebbi, they call him yeah. Yeah. But when I read that that that's where the Argentinian president visited, I said, like, very
that's very interesting. And you know, so many people were and I try not to be so like pessimistic, but when you know, so many people were like, yeah, look this this libertarian president one, It's like, dude, come on, come on, yeah, how like you how many times do we need to be tricked before you realize that he's not going to do anything. He's not going to do anything. What's going on? Du mister terrible? Thanks for coming, but yeah, like you know what I
mean, like, come on, guys, please please. Yeah. You'd think that people would learn, but that people just don't learn in mass you know. And you know another thing about Sneerson and just hbad in general is they have like when you see presidents or people like you know, DeSantis and there's rabbis gathered around, if they have those black hats kind of look like
sort of like mobster hats but not yeah, a little bit bigger. Yeah, those are hubbodists because the other sex, I believe, wear different types of hats. That's my understanding. And so they pretty much I mean every president in the last I don't know. At least going back to Carter, you can see pictures of those guys with the President. And not only that, but Sneerson, if I remember correctly, was born in Ukraine, which
is an interesting connection. Right well, I remember John on the show at some point talked about I feel or maybe you did, that they even have like power in Russia. That's who like Putin, you know, associated with. So I mean this must be a very large group, you know, a large sack of Judaism, but that holds a lot of power. I think they do. And I've seen I forget his name, I've got the book upstairs and I've only read bits and pieces of it, but it's the
guy who's in the Hubbad organization. And he did the autobiography on Sneerson, and he's got a section in there where he talks about how during the Cold War they the Hobbodists, they ran an intelligence ring in Russia. So these guys are more than just a synagogue, for sure. I've seen some videos they had some kind of I mean, all churches have intelligence and inspirings.
That's totally normal, right right. Absolutely, It's funny because I think it was it was some kind of get together they had and it was it was a video clip and it was what was that? Joseph Lieberman, he was a Democrat senator a few terms ago, and when I first got into politics, he was really popular. He was a Democrat, but he was like friends with Hannity, friends with all the Republicans, right, And so he introduces Jay Wolsey, who is the I don't know if he is at the
time, but he had been the CIA director. And I forget the exact quote that Lieberman says, but he says something like I've often said that about is no ordinary synagogue. They're almost like an intelligence agency in themselves. And then he introduces Wolseley. So these guys are probably connected to Masaude, I would think, oh, absolutely, dude, absolutely, and and like just the and I don't you know, I don't know what the tunnels are for.
I think the one, you know, everyone's like pointing to the mattress and like the baby stroller and you know, assuming the worst. But I think I saw like the measurements being something like three feet by, like they weren't big, they were like very like big enough to crawl through. That's about it. Like you could crawl under them, you know. So I don't know the true purpose of what, but I did see and you know,
I know, I don't know if it's real or not. But I saw some guy's Twitter account and he, like you, maybe he has a podca. He's like twenty thousand followers, but he tweeted December like seventh. He says, I swear I keep hearing Yiddish underneath me, but I'm on the bottom floor and I don't my building doesn't have a basement. And then like on the twenty thirty, said, I'm going to delete this tweet because people, if they're gonna people are calling me schizophrenic and all this stuff.
And he lives like right by the synagogue. So I thought that was funny. I mean, if I don't know if it's real, you know, people can like doctor all those things and stuff like that. But I thought that made me laugh that, you know, because if you can just imagine you're sitting in your room or like someone speaking Yiddish underneath me here a nightmare. No, you know, I saw that somebody had taken a screenshot of
a couple of that guy's tweets, and I wasn't familiar with him. So I went on Twitter or x or whatever they called these days, and the guy is like, he works for the Blaze. So yeah, I guess that's he had said that people were calling him anti Semitic, right, yeah, he was saying that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, which is insane, and I mean that's you know, so, oh so what do you do you have any speculation what the tunnels are for? Yeah? No, I mean I'd like to know more about them. You know,
there's not been a lot of information that I could find. You know, basically what you said is about all I know. Yeah, you know, somebody said, well, they're just uh, they're just like making more room to live because it's so expensive to live in New York City. Yeah, that's a lot of that's a lot of work and a big chance to take just to you know, did you hear they hired migrant workers to dig the
tunnels? Oh? No? Oh so and that was the other thing that made zero sense that because again they claimed they did this without the leadership knowing that they did it, like Shawshank Redemption, where so these migrant workers secretly were digging these tunnels for them. And then the far right teams were carrying out the dirt in their pockets, Like come on, oh man, I mean you saw how I think they got like at least like fifty feet or
something like that. They got far they were carrying out the dirt in their pockets. I mean really really, like somebody wouldn't notice the dirt all over you know, they're so messy, you're going to see that all over the sidewalk, all over their clothes. I mean, dude, that's such an outrageous claim to make, that they're carrying out the dirt, you know, carrying out this stuff in their pockets, like, you know, they just
think we're so dumb, they think we're idiots. Yeah. Yeah, And somebody suggested that it was a place for I think they call it the mikvah, the ritual baths for the females. Okay, I don't know if there's any truth to that or not. I mean, why wouldn't you just do that part of the synagogue, I don't know. Yeah, And you know, and then you also have like the QAnon people, Well I don't have
QAnon. They're probably I don't think they're anti you know, Zionists. So, but you know, human trafficking and I mean maybe, but like again, I'm pretty sure the tunnels are only like the measurements like three feet tall by you know, not you know, not like big enough to crawl like an adult could crawl through you. No, I mean, I mean human trafficking. Maybe, I don't know. I find again, like that's you'd have to build build a bigger tunnel. You have to do that. So
I feel, you know, there's got it. There's definitely some reasoning to it, maybe to hide maybe do escape people. But I can't imagine that you're I don't know, you know what I mean. Yeah, Yeah, that doesn't quite Yeah, that doesn't quite make sense. I mean now, but it could just be what you were saying about them trying to expand the
temple because they believe it's a holy side or something like that. I mean, they do some crazy stuff, so you know, nothing would really surprise me, I guess, because I know there has been a lot of sexual abuse cases in those communities, but you know, I don't know. Yeah, I wish I could remember the name of the page because it's worth following on Instagram. But there's one and I'll try to find it and if anybody wants to ask me, I'll try to find it and I can give it
to him. It's just video clips of this rabbi sneers and people giving him money, just coming and giving him handfuls of money. And there's one that's a short clip of this lady comes up and she says, I'm Steve Spielberg's mother. Do you know who Steven Spielberg is? Wow? And he's like, and you know, she gives him a whole bunch of money and he blesses her, you know, and it's yeah, I mean, this guy clearly had power. I mean, it's I mean, I guess they's a
lot. They called him the Messiah, so clearly, you know. But it's interesting he's from Ukraine as well. Yeah, isn't that weird? I believe that if I'm not mistaken, it's you know, I've looked up all this stuff and I'm starting to forget more than I remember, but it's just all going in my head. But I believe, if I'm not mistaken, the whole, like the Hasidic sect of Judaism was created, uh in Ukraine.
I believe that the leader was called the Bell him Tav, So I'm pretty sure that's where the kind of as we know orthodox Judaism today was created. Well, and that's even more interesting because I was just telling you, you know, like I was telling you for the show, I have been reading The Thirteen Tribe by Arthur Koestler, which is basically talks about how none
of the Jews from the Bible still exists. That they all come from Kazaria, which was a modern day like Turkey, Ukraine Ish area from and they resided there from like six hundred to eight hundred and they eventually I don't know what pushed him out, if it was the I forget who pushed him out, but then they spread from there and they picked judae As in the story hype the way like you know, he goes, yeah, he cites all this evidence, these letters from like written, but he cites that basically the
leader of the tribe at this point he had a Christian missionary, a Musslim missionary, and a Jewish missionary all come and to defend their case. And so like, why what religion should he pick for his group of people? And so I forget why he decided, oh, because so he immediately cast it out Islam. But he so he was debating between Christian or No. What he did was they all agreed with the Old Testament or something like that, and so he said, since they all agree with that, I'm gonna
go with Judaism. And that's how these Kazarians became Jewish. And then you know modern and since like you know, I frege at which Roman emperor's son wiped out all the Jews? Do you remember his name? I can't remember who did that? No, I don't, I forget whatever whatever his name is. But that, but that's all modern day Jews actually are Kazarians,
and they come from that, you know, that area. And I always find that I and I that I don't find that too hard to believe, because you know, it's a that's so well hidden that, I mean, if you look up Kazari, there's so much little information on this. It was a real place, you know, all these things, but yet you know, you never hear anything about it. And I I and I think that. And there's something else. It's like DNA testing, it's not banned
there in Israel. There's something weird that they don't because if you did it, it would show that these people are not from the Middle East, but from modern day Turkey, Ukraine area. So I forget what it is. It's like, I don't know if it is actual DNA testing as banned something like that though, So I found that interesting as well. Yeah, you know, I I asked Ron Lane to come on and talk about that,
and I don't know if he's going to come on or not. Ron if they call him Ron from the North, I've heard him on a few podcasts and he knows a lot about the Kazarians. So Ron, if you hear this, if anybody listens to Ron's show, tell him to do the show with odd Man. I've bugged him about it a little bit. He might think I'm a lunatic like a lot of people, but no, he's got a lot of good information on that, and I've tried to look into it myself. I've got enough to do a show on it. It's just a
matter of kind of putting everything in order. Yeah. Yeah, well, no, that Thirteenth Tribe book is awesome. You know, it would be hard. I was thinking about doing a show with it. It's just hard because he writes it with just using source documents and then like analyzes the source documents, you know, So it's kind of challenging to It would be tough to like do a show with because I'd have to read all the source documents.
Yea, but like it, like it was just really fat. It was like because at the time there was only like Spain had had the largest Jewish populations and they're called what Sephardic, right, and so they were the ones that came over and they were just so amazed at this place that this huge civilization existed of a Jewish homeland in Kazaria and and but that sort. But yeah, it's just like how all modern day Jews they don't stem from
Israel. Their bloodline comes from from Kazaria. And you know, it's just funny now that you said that that rabbi also came from that area. You know, it's just a weird, weird coincidence, I guess, yeah. And you know what they say, there are no coincidences, conspiracy or just a coincidence. I forgot the name of my show. It's been so long, I forgot, but but you can tell you're a new dad. Not
a lot of sleep. But yeah, but yeah, so I just when I saw those tunnels, though, dude, that cracked me the hell out, Like it was just so funny the videos and like the throwing of things and the blocking of them. But then when again when I saw that somebody they really were pushing the lie that they were carrying the dirt out in their pockets, I was literally like, oh my God, Like, who believes
this? Who believes this? You know, I guess the same boomers that you're on, you know, is Israel versus Palestine and in that war. I guess that's people would believe that story. Oh yeah, yeah. And that's another thing that makes Hubbad a bit different too, is a lot of the American or the docs seem to be kind of against the kind of anti Zionists, a lot of them anti war. But Habad is not. I mean, I've tried to read because like they really have a good source.
They've got a couple of websites once hbad dot org and I forget the other one, but you can find out a lot about mysticism and kabbala on there because they they just straight up tell you the pretty honest about it. So I've read a lot of their stuff and it's just really interesting to kind of, you know, see this happening at their main This is like their headquarters. You know. Yeah, so that sex big into Kabbala and the occultism and all with the rituals. I'm guessing oh yeah, yeah, absolutely as
crazy as you want to get pretty much really I want. And I wonder, like, you know, I did a show on Sabotine Frankism. I wonder how closely related Hubbad is to that type of of uh, you know practice. Yeah. You know, it's kind of hard because you can see elements of Frank or at least I know more about shabtaiz v. I guess he was the precursor to Frank. Didn't Frank like think he was Shabbatai reincarnated or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so but I see some things
that that really remind me of that. You know, they say he was like anti Noman or whatever. He was kind of anti the laws. But then again, at the same time that they seemed to push all their laws, you know, like there's six hundred and thirteen laws and all that stuff. And the bad sector also real big into the Noahide laws. They're big pushers of these Noahide laws. And I think it was uh started with Reagan
and then then George Bush signed a document a document as well. And the way they did it was it was in the name it was to honor this Rabbi, Sneers said, But they put it under an education bill or whatever, and so on a certain holiday they they honor him. And it has some text in there actually about the Noahide laws. Really, so it's not like they implemented them, but they they show them honor. And then I noticed a governor, I want to say a governor Abbot of Texas, but
I could be wrong. There's been several governors who signed similar legislation in the last few years honoring the Noahide laws. Wow, and for I've what are the I've like, I vaguely, what are the Noahide laws? Again, Well, so the Jews have a whole bunch of laws, but these are added They claim that Noah gave the or God gave these to Noah uh either after before the arc. And then the Gentiles only have seven noah Hide laws that they have to follow. But they're also sub laws if you start looking
into the text. Because I've got this book and I think it's called the Divine Code, It's like an eight hundred page book. I've got the PDF. But anyway, it's by this Jewish Orthodox Association and these rabbis wrote it, and it's like all the laws, what they mean the sub laws,
and so I've tried to like go back and forth in there. The main one I'll tell people that they should look out for as far as the seven for the Gentiles is they say that idolatry calls for the death penalty, capital punishment, and they consider Christians idolators because of Jesus Christ and the Trinity. They say that plainly in that book, and I've heard rabbis say that too, and they actually what I thought was very interesting in there. They say
that the Muslims are not blasphemers, they worship the same God. Interesting, but the Christians are, I mean idolators, not blasphemers. So you know, it's pretty interesting because I think to myself, damn, look at the way they treat the Muslims and they think they served the same God. Right, so think what they would do to the Christians if they ever Well, and I'm sorry I'm jumping back to the Kazarians, but I just remember something
else. The Kazarian prior to converting to Judaism, they were pagans, and they were big into like ritualistic you know, blood sacrifices, all this that, you know, all the you know, like all pagan groups are, you know, sacrificing people and stuff like that, and they incorporated that into the Judaism. So when the Jewish missionary came back, or when a Jewish missionary came back to visit Kazaria, he was like, whoa, this is a lot different than this isn't really what we do and you know, we
don't do this. And so I again, I just find that even more interesting that that that rabbi is from there, and you know that they they the the sac problem, incorporate it incorporates I'm sure so much Kabbala in it. And I wonder how how much comes from the Kazarian area with their pagan practices that they incorporated into into Judaism. Yeah, that's a great question. And uh, just so I understand. So I think I have this right.
The Kazarians. So people say that the ashkar Nazi are a Kazarian, right right, yes, and the Sephardic are the ones that come from Spain, correct right now? This is this is one of the things I have to question though, and I'm kind of skeptical on if they are Kazarians and they're not real Jews. There's some pretty like powerful Sephardic rabbis in in Sephardic
synagogues. Why would they not be freaking out, you know, because they are the Ashkannazi are taken over, like at one point that the Safardam were the majority and now the Ashkenazi far I think, yeah, so that that makes me wonder why that hasn't because I know there's problems between the two types of Jews in Israel anyway, Yes, yeah, which is it's fun. I think the Sephardic don't they look down on the I think, I mean,
I think both like there's there's an animosity between both. But I'm pretty sure like the Sephardi believe I don't you know, they think they're more like real than the Ashkenazi, right, I think that's yeah, I think so, And uh, you know, I've heard me Ashconazi Jews say that Sephardi like they look down on them as well. They think they're stupid and and not as sophisticated as Nazi. Interesting, dude, Yeah, it's like it's
such a fascinating like that it is a fact. I didn't finish the book yet, but it's fascinating topic, like just how they they were like this the bulwark against you know, so I don't forget, I don't know who
they they protected kind of Europe from that's why they supported them. A lot of European countries paid tribute to the Kazarians because like they they were, like they said, like the they were like the people stopping and I want to say the Mongols, but I think that's wrong because the Mongols were like after that, but I'm pretty sure, but I think that's what drove them out eventually, actually was the Mongol Empire eventually pushed Kazar because that's what ended the
Kazarian Empire was the Mongols and they pushed they pushed them out. But but yeah, and and it would make sense though to hide that if you're if you're this is your big claim to Israel is this is your birth your homeland, this is your birthright, and you would hide this information that will actually you're no one's from there. We're all from Turkey and Ukraine, Russian and area. But you know, that's that's why you would hide that information.
Like the as much as possible. Oh, absolutely, yeah, it's it's it's fascinating. And you know, I remember probably seven eight years ago stumbling upon an article like it was like a scientific article from from a professor in Israel, I think it was Hebrew University, and she had done that DNA study probably the one that you're talking about that said that they were uh you know, the ashke Nazi were of Eastern European origin, not the Middle East, you know, right, So right, you know that, right,
that's that's interesting. Well yeah, it's just it's fat, dude, and it makes sense because like the again, I want to say, Herodis, that's gonna bother me. I'll have to look it up when you're talking. But when he you know, when the Romans wiped out the Jews there, I mean, they slaughtered like all of them, it didn't matter. They enslaved the women, they killed every like every male, They enslaved the children.
I mean because they were fed. I think they killed a few like Roman soldiers or Roman you know, they didn't want to pay taxes or something like that. I mean, and they slaughtered like all of them. I mean they came in he literally, I mean they kind of like what they did to uh Hannibal's group, the Cartheniagens or whatever, you know, Carthage. So you I mean, how many really survived from that that attack.
I can't imagine that that many did. So you know, even if you have, yeah, I mean not like if you fifty thousand survived, I mean you can't. It would be hard to re populate with you know, nobody wanted to take you know, they had nowhere to go. It was you know it really so it makes it makes perfect sense that that was the at that's where you have this large population come from, because yeah, they wouldn't they know there was they didn't they I mean they raised that they burned
the city of the ground they did, they destroyed it. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, there's a lot there to to investigate, and I would you know, I'm sure that there's some people out there looking into this and probably have done some great work on it, Like I said, Ron Lane, but I'm sure there's other people as well. But you know, if you if you're a big show, you're probably not gonna do too much on it because you don't want to. By the way, did you think it
was last week or maybe two weeks ago? I'm getting the times mixed up. But have you seen uh? Are you familiar with brother Nathaniel? He was a gu his whole life and became an Orthodox minister recently. Yeah, yeah, did you get to check that out? I saw a few clips of it, but you probably saw the best part. Yeah. It's funny because from what I can tell, I saw a bunch of people say that Alex deleted that pretty soon afterwards. I forget what what do you say?
He said something like what did he say? I forget what he said? Well, his main I think the main thing he was trying to push h to get Alex to accept, is that, you know, because they basically are the money lenders. It's the same old story going back, you know, hundreds and hundreds of years. They control the money. So just that simple fact of they control the money means they control politics and control entertainment and news and stuff like that. And so I think that was his main thing.
You know, he he knows it so well because he grew up in that culture, you know. So yeah, it's I saw it, Like I said, I saw the clips of it, and it's funny that Alex deleted the clips. But and he seems like kind of like a crazy guy a little bit though, you know, yeah, I don't know, but he seems like a little he seems like a little wacko. But well, apparently I didn't realize this, but he had started a the website Real Jews News, and I've been seeing that for years. I didn't know that was
his website. And I talked to a shout out to Carl Hassel. A lot of people know him on Twitter, but he was telling me that brother Nathaniel has been around for like he's an I've been following him for fifteen years. I thought he was kind of like new on the scene. So I didn't realize that he'd been putting out information that long. Wow, dude,
that is a long time. Yeah, very long. And then all right, so we'll get off this topic because I don't know, you know, we start with the tunnels, and we we beat I feel like we beat the tunnels up. And I'm sure every like show has talked about the tunnels to the n degree and you know, there's there's there's only so much in
Tide. But I just love the dirt in the pockets. But anyway, so you were talking about how you your last study or what you've been working on recently was freemasonry and and yeah, so what have you been studying?
Well, basically, I've just been looking into the because, like you know, know, ever since I got into like researching, reading history books kind of suppressed history and stuff like that, and the occult, you know, and I hear people talk about the New Age and Freemasonry, you know, constantly, and so the more I've looked into kabbala, you know, the
more I realized that it's the root of Freemasonry and the New Age. And so I just was like, let's see if we can prove it, because you hear a quote here and there from maybe Albert Pike or maybe Manly p Hall like kind of equating the two. But I was able to find just a whole bunch of quotes from different occultists and freemasons about that. So that's mainly what the I've done two shows on that, and that's mainly what it's about. I basically just for the most part read the quotes because I feel
like they're telling and their proof that you know, they are. Kabala is like the root of I would say, even modern occult in general, because they all use the Tree of Life, and that seems to be one of the major things that they, you know, all occultists agree upon. And I've talked to a cultists that are pretty seasoned and they they don't not all occult is even realize that's where it comes from, like the Kabbala and all that. So and I don't I don't know when like Cabala was incorporated into
judae as it always been involved with it. I like, I don't know when, and like do I don't think like and do regular groups, Like I don't know how much it's involved in like regular because I know there's like three level, just like Christians, there's like three levels. I forget because I where I grew up, like my high school, my area, we have a large Jewish population, and so I forget. So it's like, you know, there's Orthodox, there's like a middle group, what's that Orthodox
Reform and Conservative? Yes, okay, all right, and I and there's yeah, so like because most there was no like Orthodox in my school, but there was a lot of like the other ones. Yeah, but yeah, So where as I going, Oh, so I don't know which, so I assume only the Orthodox. I don't like which group, you know,
I would assume only the Orthodox get involved in it. With that, well, you know, I thought that at first, and you know, you've got the Orthodox and the ultra Orthodox, and that's these different Hasidic groups. And I'm not sure where Hobbad's falls in there, but one of the most popular rabbis who is has written many books about kabbala is Michael Lateman,
and he's like one of the most popular rabbis in Israel. And so I started looking at reform Judaism and he's in the reform sect, and I started finding more and more articles about reform Judaism and Kabba law, and so I'm like, well, you know, and you do read every now and then you'll read like that they weren't big on mysticism, but it's it's been incorporated
in over time. And from what I can understand with the with conservative and reform Judaism, So what that was is Judaism, you know, was they were getting kicked out of all these places and all the programs and all these different things. And part of the reason was because of their beliefs, because they wanted to, you know, be able to rule themselves under these Talmudic
laws which are so bizarre and inhuman right, and that was it. They didn't want to obey the laws of the land, basically what I'm trying to
say. So in Europe they they they kind of had the idea, i think, to create reform Judaism, okay, and in the United States as well, and then conservative Judaism is mainly, from what I can tell, mostly just in the United States. I'm sure there's some synagogues here in there, but it was a way to kind of it's an Americanized Judaism that you know, that they wanted to be able to have these synagogues without getting pushedback
basically. And so they're not supposed to be the conservatives. They're not supposed to be into mysticism that much. But I've been finding the same here lately about reading the Zohar in a conservative you know, ju ju daate ick website, synagogues and different things like that. Not as much as the reform, but also in the beginning of reform they didn't they were against the tal mood.
And now the Talmod's come into being looked upon, is okay to read at least parts of it in the reform Judaism, and it's kind of working its way into conservative Judaism. So I think they're all just basically trying to get back to orthodox Judaism. Okay, sorry, that's a lot of no And I was isn't this so the Talmud? Right? So this is what I think I remember is when Noah got the ten commandments the Talmud, is he got other information or was there like other people with him or something,
And that's the oral tradition that's been past. Supposedly that's been Those are the rules that were passed down when from God to Noah, right right, Yeah, that's yeah. Supposedly God told Noah the oral as well. You know, he gave him the tablets with the ten command right, then gave him the So that's I guess we're the six hundred and thirteen years because it's like a bowload of things and that's and that's been passed down just like you know,
like that's been just passed down from generation to generation. Yeah, yeah, and to your forgive me, I got sidetracked. So it's so from what I can understand, some people say that Kabbalah it come about like before any recorded history. But from what I can understand, there was mysticism. There was something called Mercaba mysticism in Judaism, which was kind of the precursor
to Kabbo law. But Coupla really came about as far as having written documents and I think, uh, like uh, eleven hundreds, so it's a relatively new thing. Yeah, and then you got you know, the I think the thirteen hundreds when the Zohar was published by this rabbi Moses da Leon. And then I think maybe two hundred years later, give or take some change there, Uh, you had the the lorient Kabala come about. It was kind of like a revamped, reformed Kabala. And that was by this
guy. They called him Isaac Luria, the the lion Luriau the ari i guess Ari means lion. But anyway, so he kind of like was the one that come up with all the light, the symbolism behind light in kabbala, sparks of light escaping and you having to collect the light by doing these good deeds, obeying the laws and all that kind of stuff. And from what I can tell, that's also where the idea of tikau lam come from.
Is Uh. Basically it's their idea of the great work. Basically Freemasons we would call it the great work or occult but doing good deeds to try and kind of right the wrongs of the world. So that and that's in Judaism across the board. Now like that, a lot of stuff that happened under Isaac Luria just seeped into all of Judaism. So it's pretty interesting once I started realizing, oh man, a lot of these ideas came out of Kabbala and they're just a part of all Judaism as far as I can tell.
Interesting, huh and you and so I think I changed the topic on you. But so if you, Freemasonry pulls a lot of its ideas from the Kabbala, and I think the most secret societies do as well. They pull their information from that that mysticism. That right, yeah, yeah, and uh, you know it comes about like the kabbala Is talk about levels between levels and levels beyond level, and you'll hear like Manly p. Hall talk about how masonry has levels between levels, and you know, they it's
basically like, you know, there's no absolutes. That's kind of what Kabbala teaches and what free masonry teaches and what the occult teaches. For the most part, I think, as far as I can tell, there are no absolutes. And so the kabbala, the rabbis say that, you know, they can make it basically the they say it's based on the first five books of the Bible, but they also say that those books can be interpreted anyway
you want. Basically, it's endless their interpretations, you know. And so all these rabbis have been writing books for hundreds of years and thousands of years, I guess now with different interpretations of what it means. So and I wonder why this why, Like it's I guess it's seeped into the secret societies, maybe to like cast a wider net, I don't you know. I like, I wonder why is it or to cat to get more people that in practicing, you know, like, what's the purpose of it getting into
these secret society groups? Well, you know, I wanted to I wish I could say for sure, because the big question is did Jews create freemasonry, because there's so many similarities. But you know, I tend to kind of think that they didn't create it, but that there's just so many similarities that they once once it was kind of put together and came out in the open as hey, we're we're a secret society. You can join it, and people started finding out about it. I think it was you know,
I think they kind of infiltrated it. And because it why not. I mean, it's a perfect situation. It's it's it's based on their so called religion, and it's also secretive and perfect for things like you know like uh, intelligence and uh, you know, doing things like mobster ish different things like that. And then a breath was you know, became the a d L and the neigh Breath was Freemasonry. It became out of a law. I mean they call them lodges. Many of the guys that started the neighbor
were Masons and that's all documented too. So yeah, but then I struggle. I also, but it's weird with that because like Scottish rife freemasonry that came from you know, like the templars and all the that things. So it's it that's and it crosses over so it's like you know, between religions. So it's so you know, maybe if it's pulled those ideas from that, but it's weird and they I mean, and even some of those ideas get pulled in from like what is it the what what mystic the group is
in Islam the sufis, yeah, the sufis yes. So it's crazy how that that also crossed that over, you know, between all religions, how they have this mystic group, you know, like a mystic sect of it that all seemed to practice the same thing. Yeah, yeah, that is very interesting. Indeed. Yeah, it's it's hard to you know, it's
hard to find absolute definite proof of this or that. But I've just tried to kind of collect as much information from the people in the know and kind of say, okay, this is all the information we have saying that basically, and I dude, man, of course there's some hermeticism in freemasonry. There is, you know, you can find some astrology and freemasonry, but it just seems like that that's the roots of it. And you know,
I'm hoping to do a show about this. I've been looking at the origins of the Scottish Rite in the United States, which started in Charleston, you know, Charleston, South Carolina. I know it started in Charleston. I believe. So, oh yeah, at least that's where the headquarters was, and I think now it's in Washington. Oh really, but yeah, Actually we went there a few years ago and it's a neat town if you ever get to go, because there's all these historical markers on the streets on the
old houses. They say they're cannonballs still in some of the houses in the inside the walls from because it's right there where uh you know, the first shots of the Civil War were fought and all that stuff. But yeah, it's that was there was actually, like I got a picture of it. There is a on the side of a building and it could have been the
old Scottich Right headquarters. I don't know, but it was an abandoned building had this metal thing that looked something like maybe a vent on the side and it stuck out and it had the eye and the pyramid in it and it looked like it was like two hundred years old. It was rusted. Is pretty awesome, And there's lots we were driving for Louis, like appointments and
in Philadelphia they at the Penn It's like or no is it Penn? Yeah, University of Penn and like they're old, this old like shutdown part of the campus and on the campus there was it a Star David or not. Damn it, I'm pretty sure it was a Star of David or it was like yeah, I'm pretty sure the Star David was on and this you know, the pennant started, you know, before the Israel was created, so
before that flag was utilized. You know, the Star David is not from the Bible, but that it was on a building in there, and I was like, that's so like, what's you know, that's such clearly and you know obviously Philadelphia huge freemason, Freemason town, I mean, all the founding fathers and everything. So I just found that like super fascinating that this it's engraved in this and now it's like it's like the courtyards like totally like
shut down and everything like that now. But it just it's like so weird that you know, it's aged in this building from you know, the seventeen hundreds. Oh yeah, there's a lot of history in that state for sure. That Yeah. I heard this mason, Robert W. Sullivan, and he was talking about Philadelphia and he said, you know, it's the Keystone state, and he said, the reason they call it the keystone is because that's the uh, it's basically the like the royal art stone in the center,
the keystone, the whole of that thing together, right. I never thought about that. I was like, no, yeah, that's what they said. Yeah, that's yeah. But I mean I think it's like dual meaning you can like say anyone regular it like holds you know, these states together. But if it's a big Freemason term, obviously the keystone it's huge.
It's like such a you know, huge you know, sim symbol or whatever, right, right, I all, But then I also like to in today's day and age, you know, I don't you know, obviously freemasonry isn't popular anymore. I guess maybe they just they don't need to. Maybe you don't need to have a secret society to do it, you know,
or maybe it's just celebrities that do it. I mean, because I don't know, I don't follow like ma, but like like Doja Cat, I don't even I didn't even listen to the song, but like she has like a song like called Demons and like little not you know, obviously I'm sure people listen to Isaac Wisop they could find much more better information, but it's it's so amazing, like the what they put out, like these these music videos that are just such like clear ritualistic you know, spells or whatever
you want to call them, energy harvesting like rituals. That it's it's so maybe you don't need a secret society to practice it anymore. You can just do it out in the open and call it art. You know, yeah, yeah, you know that's now that you said that, Like I listened to uh. I think it was William Ramsey. He sometimes will play old podcasts from other shows, like classic stuff, and he had one the other day. I just was scrolling through and it had the author of the book
Blood on the Altar. I think his name's I want to say, Craig
Heimbechner or something like that. It's a great book. It's about the Ordo templey Orientis and he claimed that was the main kind of like secret society that runs the world, which I have my doubts about that, but it was very interesting and none nonetheless, because he has so much other information in that book, but he was saying something that I thought I'd actually thought about and may have even said something similar, but he said, look, you don't
need the Masonic lodges to be popular anymore. You don't need these secret societies to be that popular anymore because everybody has been initiated through pop culture. So oh, I like that. And that kind of goes along with kind of like some of the stuff you read from Alice Bailey kind of talking about initiation and stuff like that, so it all kind of makes sense. Did jump
around jump around like crawl. That was also so weird was how Crawley like in World War One, because you know we talked about I'm still like reading that book because I'm just so slow on reading these days. But like how all like the these all these people, these powerful people in every country, they were all conn and a lot of it this comes from Germany, which is so weird as well. I don't again, I don't know what the connection is with Germany and like their fat I don't know if it was like
just a fascination with the with their people or like what it was. But regardless, like they're just how all these powerful people were so connected in these secret groups and that was how like Crowley was able to be such an influential spy, was because you know, they they really appreciated his work or whatever you want to call it, and that's how he was able to infiltrate all these upper echelons of German you know, power players, because they were all
members of these secret societies, like whether it was the OT, I don't know if it was the OTO or their medical order. You know, they're all whatever, whatever group they were a part of. But it just was so crazy, all these powerful people, just like today, we're so high up and involved in these you know, these rituals and doing all these crazy things. It's just like wild, how times have not changed at all?
No, No, that's it, You're right, And yeah, I mean and we kind of the same way you think about it with the I mean, I'm not as down on the Founding Fathers like some people in our community. I try to keep a level ahead about it because I mean, without
them, we wouldn't be here. So I mean, you know, but you know, we were kind of led to believe that they were all Christians, and then you get a little older and look into this stuff and you're like, oh, well, most of them are Freemasons and Indias, or at least a good percentage of them, So yeah, I got all of
them. Yeah yeah. So you know, if you go back to that, and and I try to tell myself too, because I've tried to go I've done like ten shows on freemasonry at this point or something like that, and I've tried to really delve into the books that nobody reads, you know, the really occult Freemasons. Like a lot of it's just cookie cutter stuff, you know, it's like surface level. But a lot of these guys
like J. D. Buck is one of the ones. Mystic Masonry is one of his books, and he tells her plainly in there, you know, it's it's about becoming your own God, you know, basically the and she goes right back to the the Garden of Eden. That's you know, he's he's and that's I think the basis of all occult belief systems is just becoming your own God. You know. In my opinion, I don't know, do you know Billy Carson is he's like he's an African American guy.
He's like real big into he's he's like a new age kind of guy. But I mean he's he's like very super smart guy. He's an alien guy though, so I don't know if you've ever seen Billy Carson, do you know that. No, he's like he's very popular. He was on Instagram and stuff like, I mean, he's got a lot of followers. But he's big on the Anyanaki, the Emerald tablets and stuff like that. But that's like what he pushes and from. It's constantly is with like combining Jesus.
But really you know where all gods and and you know you can see where that where that's going. You know where that could take you when you when you think you're a god, you know, right, And that's what I always like try to explain to people. You know, they always are bigger, like, oh, the Europeans they slaughtered all these people, they did all this stuff, you know, like these practices that they were doing
prior to the EU. Like when you're a pagan culture and you don't have this set of not saying Christianity is like a perfect religion by any means, but if you don't have that, you know, the Aztecs were slaughtering up to one hundred thousand people a year alive, cutting out, beating hearts to
appease these gods. And so you can see how if you can remove Christianity from a culture, you can remove these standards and you promote these ideas like you know, where your morality is kind of like up to you, you
do what feels good. These are the same beliefs that you know, the Sabotine Francas have that that you can see where that will lead to, you know what I mean, Like it's it's a it's like a dangerous spot to go to, yeah it is. And you know, you look at some of the things that happened, like all the dead people that died under communism.
I mean, granted that was part of the West's fault too because they were doing things that kind of you know, because they were finding communism to to break these countries and you know, but still at the same time, a lot of people died under communism, which was atheist. And then you look at like science. I mean, I always think back about science.
You know, it's basically known as you know, atheists loved to put got science on the back of their car, right, But if you think about it, science has done on one side, science is double edged sword. It's done some wonderful things and given us a ton of fun things. On the other side, it's given us poisons, It's it's given us the atomic bomb. It's it's given us all these things that allow us to kill our
fellow humans and masks and make us sick. And you know, so you know you got to think about it man and all the scientists, Well there's I guess no, it's split. There's some scientists that were very Christian and then there was some scientists that weren't. But it reminds me of Steve I'm
and we'll end with like this topic. But the Epstein and I didn't even did you read the Epstein documents that that were leaked or like, I didn't even because I think it was just like the same names that always came out like that. We all knew. I'm pretty sure, right, Like I know, I mean I've seen some people post some things and they posted some pictures some guy and it was like a collage of it was just like movie stars like Bruce Willis and some people you wouldn't kind of think would have been
on there. But you know, yeah, well I saw this Stephen Hawking was or not Stephen Hawking, right, Yeah, the guy in the wheelchair, I can't Yeah, yeah, that guy he was on there and like
visited you know, frequently or all the time. And I'm stealing this from Roman Benjamin, but he brought up like a great point too, like he was diagnosed with I think it's a sthing like yeah, with a l S and like the normally like the the you're you know, the the lifespan of people with this disease very short, you know, not a long time. And if even if it is, you last long, like you you lose brain function and things like that, and like this guy he lasted supposed you
know, so long. I don't, you know, it's just like another like scam that just like it's just that maybe you know, like I don't know, I don't know, It's just it's just and again just I'm just saying that because science he's involved in Epstein Islands, like you know what, it's just like what are the odds of that? You know? So weird,
it's so weird. Yeah, but yeah, Like so I didn't read any cause I think it was all the names that were already on the list like that we all knew, like the Ken or you know, then there's Kennedy's on there, Clinton's on there, but and then I keep seeing articles now and I don't you know, I'm not like a Trump. I don't love Trump, but I keep seeing articles now that at first they highlighted, you know, Clint Or they taught they had to bring up Clinton, Prince
Andrew, and then they also like there's this one guy. I keep seeing articles, one guy is talking about like Trump and Trump, and it a lot. And I don't doubt that Trump was you know, was was was involved in that thing. It's like, you know, I don't you know I would accept that, but yeah, it's just funny, like how politically I see the discourse is if you bring up Clinton, then they'll bring up Trump. You know, you have to spend your gout your side at all
costs. Oh yeah, yeah, it's sad. I saw I saw today that the former Prime Minister of Israel, his name is Ehud Barak, he was one of the I guess this Newest League show that he had ridden the uh Epstein plane thirty plus times. So I thought that was interesting because this guy's connected to all kinds of people and you just look at the guy and
he's got weasel written all over him. So thirty plus times, dude, and people were saying that, well, they're alleging and I haven't read this, so I don't know, but that he was basically the I guess, the contact man for Mosad in Epstein. You know, he was kind of like the middle man. I don't know if that's true, but it would make sense, I guess. And I just last, like, I just I don't know how big the island was or anything like that, but I
mean, I guess, like I don't know. I just struggle like that it remained under wraps so long that this operation was able to just continue to, you know, grow and grow and grow. It's amazing. And then why and ended? You know, why did it get why shut it down? Did it lose its purpose? Like why did they even let it end come out this way? You know, I wonder, like what's the purpose
of that of releasing this information? Because you know that if they wanted to, it wouldn't have to release and you know they you would never find out about it, you know, right, yeah, they would just laugh it off like, oh, this is like stupid, whatever you want whatever, you know exactly. Yeah, that's a great question. You know, have you seen it's old now, but that footage of that. She was either I think she was NBC or maybe ABC, but the yeah, ABC.
Yeah, and she's talking about how she was trying to get them to put that information out. She's talking off air, you know. She yeah, she like three she had the information like three years earlier. Yeah, yeah, she she was so pissed, and I think she got her fired.
I'm pretty sure I think they fired her. Yeah. Yeah. And dude, well and Cindy McCain, she, you know, she's like, oh, we all knew that this was going on, and you know, it's like what you say something, And I so I wonder now where what's replaced because obvious there's you know, does Bohemian Grove still happen? Do they still hold Bohemian Grove? You know, as far as I know, they do, But I haven't heard anything about it in the last couple of years.
Maybe it's just because all the other stuff going on. Yeah, yeah, because I was so I wonder, like what's taking its place, you know, because like something has to or you know, like there's still or again, maybe they just can do it more in art like artistic forms like you know, and that's and that's it. It doesn't need to be you know, as hidden because you can just do it as art. And you know because even like with Larry King and that whole you know, the Franklin scandal
and stuff like that. You know, it's like something has to if I would like they don't just stop. You know, maybe it's in those tunnels to those that they're digging at the synagogue. I bet there's tunnels under Bohemian right, I'm sure there. I'm sure there are, dude, well a lad and then also I saw it Mark. Then again we'll end it. But Mark Zuckerberg is building that huge bunker. Did you see that. I've seen like headlines, but I haven't delved into it, Like I didn't know
if it was just people saying that or it's like a real thing. No, it's a real thing, dude. He built It's like it was like a billion dollar in like it costs a billion dollars something like insane to he built like this, you know, like a doomsday bunker. And you know, and Jeff Bezos, I think he has one somewhere. I forget where he has his and oh and like at the and then at the bottom of like Bezos put at the bottom of his bunker. He put like this clock
that will outlast humanity. You know, it costs like millions of dollars to build. But I want, you know, like what's going to happen in twenty twenty four. You know, something's something's bubbling that all these people are, you know, they're letting this information out and they're they're building this these things. Well, I've seen some and I haven't delved into it, so I don't know all the details. But there's some kind of cabitalistic prediction about
the year twenty five. So I want to look into that, something about like it's going to be the year the Messiah, you know, the mushiak the Messiah comes and no dude, yeah, so and you know what happens then we convert. So well it's it's just going to get crazier and crazier. I guess. I guess that's the what we what we have to look forward to is more chaos and more fighting and uh, you know, last
thing, who's who is? Uh? Who's Okay? I don't know if you saw the clip, Trump like said he was going to pick his VP and and he know or he knows who he's going to pick his his VP, and but he went tell on air did you see that clip on fire? I didn't see that, Okay, Yeah, So they said, do you know who you're gonna pick? And he says, I know, yes, I know, but I can't tell you. So who do you think he's gonna he's gonna choose as as VP. I'm gonna say Nikki Haley?
Because do you think nik I mean they on one, you know, they kind of seem to hate each other sort of or be the big I don't know, but like they were, they were saying that she's polling like close to what Trump is. No way, Yeah, I've seen these like yeah, these headlines. I haven't looked into it, but like she's so unlikable
that I find that hard to be true. But they're both so tiedy in with you know, a pac in that, you know, the Israel lobby and stuff like that that I feel like if she is polling that high, he's gonna want to take her with him, and then they have that double bill and the Santas wouldn't have a shot in hell, dude, I could not see him. I don't know, I don't probably not old prediction. That's a bold prediction because I cannot see. I don't. I want to
say it might be vivic, but I don't. I don't know, though. I don't know, though that would be pretty good idea because he's charismatic, so but he's such and he's such a scumbag too, like, oh yeah, he's done that. You know that billion dollar far he pumped up these prices and for a drug that I don't even think it worked. I think it was like a pump and dumb scam docks, you know. I think I don't know if he was he worked at the farm company, or
he's just a hedge fund. I don't. I can't remember remember what his association was with the farmer company. I don't. I can't. I don't. I don't know, if you know, I don't never know. No, But yeah, I know doctor Shiva. You know, he kind of goes balls out and and he hates him so bacause they've seen him just lambast and it's hilarious. Dude. I love how he says he's the creator of email. Yeah, like and like, dude, maybe if you were maybe
maybe you were the creator of email, doctor she or whatever. But you know, he just says that all the time, and it's like, well, the word the Wikipedia doesn't say that, dude. Okay, you know, like you may have created email, but I'm sorry, dude, Like you know, you got like it's a cringe. It's so cringe that every show or that's like how he titled himself the creative Email. Yeah, that's not a good lug man come up to embarrassed. You know, it's embarrassing.
But well, I man, thank you for doing the show with me, Dude, I appreciate it. It was good to be back, you know it was. It was very kind of you to do it. We I thought it went pretty well with having zero idea of what I was going to talk about, what we were going to talk about. So if anyone wants to where can they find you? Odd Man? Follow you, listen to you, all those good things. Yeah, man, thank you, it's been great to be back with you. And I hope that this year,
I hope that we do a lot more shows together. Yes, yes, yes, yeah. You can find me at Underscore the odd Man out on Twitter and Instagram and I've got a link tree in the profile and the show you can find on podbean. It's the odd Man Out dot Podbean dot com, and uh yeah, I took the the odd It's no longer called
the odcast. I'll still call it that, but it's not officially called that because it was a confusing people, you know, and I thought let's just call it the odd Man Out because nobody can find the long time because it was yeah, because it used to be the odd Man or the odcast with the odd Man Out right something like that, the Oddcast featuring the odd Man Out. Too long. People couldn't find it, so right, right,
I didn't know you changed the title. Dude, Well that was probably smart, you're because you're right, that is kind of long and it was hard. It's too many odds in there, right exactly? So what so what's it at? So what the name is now? The odd Man Out? Yeah, all right, the odd Man Out. You guys can listen to odd Man there. Thanks for everybody in the chat, and I am I'm Jack Allen. Conspiracy or just a coincidence, and I might be doing a
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