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Trump uses government powers to target perceived enemies

Apr 29, 20259 min
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Summary

An NPR investigation reveals how President Trump has used government power to target over 100 perceived enemies since returning to office. The targets include political opponents, former officials, law firms, and media, facing consequences ranging from investigations to firings. While some actions have been challenged in court, critics argue it represents an assault on fundamental rights and an attempt to silence opposition, though the administration claims it's about accountability.

Episode description

An NPR investigation has been following President Trump's efforts to retaliate against his perceived enemies since he returned to the Oval Office in January.

NPR's Tom Dreisbach found that Trump's targets are already facing the consequences - including criminal investigations, attempted deportations, and firings.

Trump has used government power to target more than 100 people or institutions across American society – and they're all feeling the consequences.

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Intro / Opening

President Trump campaigned for the White House promising payback. I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed. I am your retribution. I am your retribution. That was Trump in 2023. Now, 100 days into the second Trump administration, it has become clear that was not just talk. Consider this, Trump has used government power to target more than a hundred people and insta- across American and they are all feeling the consequences.

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Trump's Retribution Agenda Begins

It's Consider This from NPR. NPR's Tom Dreisbach has been following President Trump's efforts to retaliate against his perceived enemies since he returned to the Oval Office in January. Dreisbach found that Trump's targets are already facing the consequences, including criminal investigations, attempted deportations, and firings. Tom picks up the story from here. To get a sense of President Trump's agenda, take the events of just one day.

April 9th. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Trump was in the Oval Office holding a black Sharpie. The White House Staff Secretary, Will Scharf, was handing Trump a set of orders targeting the president's enemy. to ensure that they can't access government resources, Susman Godfrey is a law firm whose previous activities include suing several Trump allies for defamation. There were some very bad things that happened with these law firms.

The next target. The next presidential memorandum we have for you relates to Miles Taylor. Miles Taylor served in the first Trump administration. He crossed Trump when he anonymously wrote a scathing op-ed that called Trump an amoral agent of chaos. I think he's guilty of treason, if you want to know the truth, but we'll find out. And I assume we're recommending this to the Department of Justice. Yes, sir. Trump kept going. Terrible guy. similarly sir Christopher Krabs the former head of CISA

Christopher Krebs was the top cybersecurity official in the first Trump administration, and Trump fired him for saying the 2020 election was safe and secure. Now, Trump is ordering the government to investigate Krebs, too. He's the fraud. He's a disgrace. So we'll find out whether or not it was a safe election. And if it wasn't, he's got a big price to pay. That was all in the span of just 10 minutes in the Oval Office on April 9th. But Trump's retribution agenda started on day one.

Targeting Over 100 Foes

NPR has found that Trump is using the government to investigate or otherwise punish more than 100 people or institutions, including political opponents, former officials, student protesters, law firms, universities, news organizations. and people who investigated him or his allies. What you see here is just an assault on our most fundamental rights almost in every single sector. Amanda Carpenter is a conservative and a former aide to Senator Ted Cruz.

She now works with the non-profit Protect Democracy and says Trump's actions are about seizing power and punishing anyone who stands in his way. Whether that's the media, whether it's academia, whether it's immigration, Donald Trump is working at a very rapid pace to exercise control and command over that area.

Trump's orders have not all held up, like the order against Sussman Godfrey. A federal judge found that order unconstitutional, saying the country's founders would see it as a shocking abuse of power. But the courts did not protect Sean Brennan. Brennan was a federal prosecutor. He worked on dozens of January 6th cases. On Inauguration Day, Trump issued mass pardons to the January 6th defendants, even the most violent.

He said they were treated unfairly. Not long after, Brennan got an email from his new boss at the Justice Department. I was being terminated specifically for my work on January 6th cases, which it characterized as perpetrating a grave national injustice against the American people. More than a dozen other January 6th prosecutors were fired.

And they don't just face unemployment. The Justice Department is now investigating them too for possible unethical or even illegal conduct. Do you believe you were retaliated again? I don't think there's anything that could be clearer. I was retaliated against for taking actions that were well within the law, but that were politically unfavorable to the people in charge. Mark Zaid is a private attorney. He's also been on the wrong side of Trump.

Back in 2019, Zaid represented an anonymous government whistleblower who filed a complaint that helped lead to Trump's first impeachment. At the time, Trump called Zaid a sleazeball attorney and said he should be investigated for fraud. Now that he's back in office, Trump has issued a White House memo targeting Zaid and revoking his security clearance.

without any due process, without any notification of why my clearance was revoked. And without that clearance, Zaid can't work on the national security cases that are his bread and butter.

Lawyers, Politicians, and Others Targeted

Lawyers and law firms have been some of Trump's top targets. The administration has taken action against more than a dozen firms. They cite the fact that the firms have taken cases on, for example, transgender rights or hired lawyers who previously investigated Trump. And Zaid says there's another reason why Trump is going after lawyers. Because we are upholding the rule of law. And so long as the court system functions, we can damper, hinder, slow down, if not stop, what he's trying to do.

Some firms have made deals with the administration and agreed to do tens of millions of dollars worth of pro bono work for causes Trump support. The White House bragged that big law was bending the knee to Trump. A federal judge said those deals amounted to unconstitutional government coercion. Congressman Robert Garcia is a Democrat from California. He says the Trump administration is trying to coerce political opponents too. I'm a pretty outspoken member of Congress.

And they wanted to silence me. Garcia's story starts in February when he went on CNN and said Democrats needed to fight harder against Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency. And what the American public want is for us to bring actual weapons to this bar fight. This is an actual fight for democracy. Garcia says he was speaking metaphorically.

But Trump's top federal prosecutor in Washington, D.C., Ed Martin, sent Garcia a letter, asked him to clarify his comments within one week, adding, quote, we take threats against public officials very seriously. Just what was your first reaction when you got that letter? I mean, my first reaction was this is totally insane.

And then immediately I got angry and I thought, you know, Trump's DOJ, the U.S. Attorney, should not be using their office to intimidate people and certainly not trying to use the office to silence. The Trump Justice Department has gone even further with other Democrats and announced a criminal investigation into the Governor and Attorney General of New Jersey over immigration policy.

Along with political targets, pro-Palestinian students from abroad have been arrested and are fighting deportation. Media outlets the administration dislikes are facing FCC investigation, including NPR. For weeks we asked the White House for an interview for this story. They did not respond. Never again will the immense power of the state be weaponized to persecute political opponents.

Justification and Consequences

Publicly, the administration claims that Trump has kept this promise from his inaugural address. Under my leadership we will restore fair, equal and impartial justice under the constitutional rule of law. And when Trump has targeted his political opponents these last hundred days, the administration says it's about accountability.

Just last week, the FBI arrested a Wisconsin judge for allegedly obstructing ICE agents. The judge denies the charges. Democrats warn that Trump is trying to intimidate the judiciary. Attorney General Pam Bondi told Fox News that some judges are, quote, deranged, adding no one is above the law. Tom Dreisbach, NPR News.

This episode was produced by Monica Avstatyeva and Erica Ryan with audio engineering by Damian Herring. It was edited by Barry Hardiman and Courtney Dorning. Our executive producer is Sammy Yennigan. It's Consider This from NPR. I'm Mary Louise Kelly. A lot has changed in higher education since President Trump took office. Everything that's been going on has kind of changed my life plans. Students have come to me and just, they feel really scared. On the Sunday story...

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