Hello and welcome to Connected episode 554. It's made possible this week by our sponsor, Ecamm. My name is Stephen Hackett and I have the pleasure of being joined by our keynote chairman, Mike Hurley. Hello, hello, hello. I have... Obviously, a long road ahead of me as keynote chairman, but it will be contested shortly. But I have a long road ahead because I'm not going to lose it. I would like to welcome another long road ahead chairman, the annual chairman, Federico Vitici. Hi, Federico.
hello hello yeah i i'll be i'll be chairman for a while i'm sorry yeah i mean you have the rest of the year Unless, you know, they changed the calendar or something. Look, anything can happen. Right? I mean, they've been changing maps and geography, so why not the calendar? Whoever wins, if you win like three annuals in a row, you get to rename the Gulf of Mexico after yourself. Wow! Wow, I love it. Put it in the Bill of Rickies. The Gulf of Mike. Declaration of Ricky Penta.
Steven, can you just move on to your very, very weird follow-up? I do have some follow-up. That's not weird. We talked about a thing. No, this is weird. And now we're talking about it again. Several people sent me a link from MichaelMJD who does these cool tech history videos on YouTube going over the Motorola Rocker. So you should go check that out. But the real reason I put this in here... is a direct appeal to a listener named Matt. Matt, several weeks ago...
And our feedback form was like, hey, I have a rocker. I'd love to send it to Steven. So I emailed them. I said, hey, I would love to adopt it. Let me know how we could work this out. And I haven't heard back. And so Matt, if you're out there. Hit me up. I would love to adopt your Motorola rocker. Matt, if you would prefer to give it to me, email me. Yeah, I don't want it. I don't want it. No, thank you. This is strange. This is like a personal ad on a podcast.
You know, it's like man looking for rocker. Oh, yeah. Well, Craigslist shut all that stuff down. You know, you can't do personal. So now you need a podcast. Now you need a podcast. Look, what is a podcast if not a way to grow your computer collection? That's a really great point. Have you ever thought about that? WhatsApp is available on the iPad. What? Finally. Incredible. I mean, cut them some slack. You know, 15 years. for a company like Meta, you know.
and the you know the guy has been busy you know zach has been busy first with the sunscreen And then with the little cartoons in VR. And then being in court. Being in court. And then buying gold chains. And eventually it's like, yeah, okay, fine. We'll do WhatsApp on the iPad. Why is this happening? I don't understand why this is happening.
Like, why is it now? Why do we have it now, you know? My answer was going to be, why not? But... probably not good enough i don't know yeah it's strange look do i do instagram next that's that's what everybody wants like congratulations we have whatsapp on the ipad no i want instagram on the ipad the only the only reasonable theory is that Maybe... If iPadOS is getting this big update to WWDC, maybe they might have wanted to be able to I don't know to sort of be there and be part of some like
you know, early demos of people saying, hey, this is the new iPadOS, and look, I'm using WhatsApp on the iPad. I don't know. Maybe. I can't imagine Apple ever having that. No, me neither. You know what I mean? My only thought is maybe they're preparing for some kind of foldable thing. Maybe they think it's going to happen. Because my expectation is Meta would want WhatsApp and Instagram in like a foldable format. But what I will say is, on the Google Pixel fold, Instagram is terrible on that.
You just can't see the images in full. It just blows them up way too big. Maybe there's a way to fix that. Android has some weird settings where you can like Zoom out and stuff for certain apps and change the aspect ratios. Maybe we should play around with that. I didn't talk about doing that until I just said it. But there you go. Federica, views, WhatsApp on your iPad yet?
Not because my iPad is in storage and I haven't touched it in like two months. I'll bring it to WWDC. I'll bring it. I'll bring it with me. I did not expect you. Well, it's, yeah, no. I know you're doing other things. Sorry, we've spoken about them. I'm going to talk a little bit more. But the thing, the reason I'm surprised about that is just listening to AppStories and you were talking about Vision Pro and you were like, oh. that we should have iPad.
mirroring so i was like oh he's still using it then but no you just want it you're just like yeah i just want i just want i want to change my mind i mean and i think you know good vibes going into WWDC. Like I'll bring the iPad Pro with me. I actually want to, you know, I think I'm going to grab it over the next few days, you know, update it sort of. use it again a little bit more, but I'll bring it with me because I do want to see what they do at WWDC. Well, if it's broken in any way.
You could fix it, because now the iPad is part of the self-service repair program. Right. iPad Air M2 and later, iPad Pro M4, iPad Mini A17 Pro, iPad A16. covering displays, batteries, cameras and charging ports. All of these parts are now available for you to go ahead and fix your iPad. Okay, um... Sure. It's been a long time since I thought about the self-service repair program. This is the kind of thing that Stephen cares about. I do care about it.
Was it a thermal event? Is that the thing that it said in the... Uh-huh. If it caught on fire, it's a thermal event. You need sand for any thermal events. Yeah. Yeah, you just... You never know. when a battery could explode it could happen right now yep right now to you how much is that tandem oled panel going to be like if you break the screen on an ipad and you order the part It's going to be pricey. Was it available now? No, tomorrow. Tomorrow. Yeah.
They have Beats products in here, you know. Just the Beats pill. Just the battery. If you want to place the battery in the Beats pill, you can do that. All sorts of stuff. some real-time follow-up i looked at uh rockers on ebay real quickly well you don't have a lot of faith in in uh listen there's still not very many of them but i did find a limited edition motorola razor that is like gold
and it looks wild. It's a Dolce & Gabbana version, that's why. I couldn't pronounce it, but yeah. Oh, here's a better link. I'll put a better link in Discord. People can check that out. Dolce & Gabbana. If you want to. Can I talk real quick about a bit of a problem that sort of manifested itself over the past couple of days and I'm sort of like searching for a solution to this problem? So, like I mentioned, I have been using the Pixel Watch. over the past couple of months.
sort of paired with my with my pixel fold which I really wanted to write about the pixel fold before WWDC and then The article that we're going to talk about shortly sort of happened and sort of, you know, my plans have been all over the place. But in any case... I realized that I was kind of missing the Apple Watch for something. There are some things that I really do like about the Pixel Watch, the design, the assistant, obviously, the customization I do like.
But I think I do prefer, obviously, like HomeKit, for example. HomeKit notifications. on the apple watch super handy um being able to react to i message notifications with tap backs basically the apple ecosystem things right and so i got my apple watch from my nightstand drawer And I charged it. It was behind the software update. So what is it, like 11.5 or something?
started using it long story short i realized that my apple watch ultra first gen battery life like the battery health is now down to 86 percent This thing is not lasting through a whole day anymore. And I'm very bummed about it. I really wanted to push it to September or October for... to get a new Apple Watch Ultra. I don't know what I'm going to do here. How do you check the battery health again? From the settings on the watch itself. From the watch itself.
From WatchFM. Wait. Yeah. So, I don't know, because this thing, like, I put it on this morning. Put it on this morning. It's now down to 30%. all right yeah that's bad you see i said you said 91 mine is newer than yours i got this is an apple watch ultra 2. so mine's only a year old and it's already down to 91 that's not great
Right? Less than 19, you've got a problem, I think. Like, resell and stuff. Because I've only had mine since, what, September 2003? Or something like that? You want to take another round of that? 2003? Yeah. Actually, you know what? Since September 2003, 91% is not that bad. Really? It's pretty good. It's pretty good. Like 21 years? No, it's not bad. It's actually not that bad. Very nice. So yeah, I don't know what to do. I just checked on the Italian Apple Store.
If I do the thing where I give them the trading with my Apple Watch Ultra, they're going to give me 300 euros for it. That's so bad. It's kind of bad, which means that an Ultra 2 would cost €599 instead of €909. How much would a battery replacement cost? I have no idea. Is that even possible? Sure. Yeah. Sure. Battery. I think with the phone, there's a certain level of battery capacity that they won't replace it. Yeah.
If you have AppleCare Plus, battery service may be covered at no additional cost if the battery's health has degraded to 80% or less. So before 80%, I think you would be paying. In the UK, on the UK Apple Store, the estimated cost for a battery replacement is £95. Or it's free if you have Apple Care Plus. You should just get the battery replaced. Like, that's...
If you want to keep it for longer and you're worried about the battery, I feel like you should do that. Your product is eligible. You have a battery service at no additional cost if you have AppleCare Plus. Do you have AppleCare Plus on it? Do you know? how does one find out that is such a great question check it's just great check apple care War.
steven how do you find out if you have a book check your devices so you go to checkcoverage.apple.com you put in your serial number which i'm doing right now Where do you get the serial number from, even? From the Watch app on the phone. Zoe in the Discord says in the Apple support app, which I don't even know what that is. What is that? There it is. I just searched the word support and it was on my iPhone. I never knew about it. Look at that.
Okay. Okay. Let's see. Let's see. Oh, these captchas, man. Wow. Are you a robot? Oh, I guess I am. Use the support app. No, it's too long. Oh my God. Why? I need to find out. Do you need to bring it to the Apple Store to do that? Or can you ship it to them? That is also a great question. Let me see if I can find out. This is very weird. This is weird.
And I guess this is what people are here for, right? Send in for repair. We'll help you. Again, it's all in the UK store, right? We'll help you arrange delivery to an Apple repair center at your convenience. It takes six to ten days. Interesting. Let's see. I would say you would get that. If you have the AppleCare, definitely. Alright, alright. Well, okay. A warranty expired.
friendship and it was a warranty. If it was less than €100, I feel like that is a better thing to do than the trade-in getting a new watch, if I'm being completely honest. Because you would get an Apple Watch Ultra 2, which realistically is not any different. to the Apple Watch Ultra that you have. okay i'll think about it i'll think about it sounds good all right We have some follow-out. Was that a laser?
Yeah. Okay. On upgrade 565, The Scent of Humane, Jason and one Mike Hurley debated about IO and OpenAI and Johnny Ive, and it was very good. I was very happy about how that episode came together. There was definitely a debate that occurred at some points of the show, which I enjoyed and I knew going into it. I was very happy that Jason wrote down all of his opinions about IO beforehand.
Because I was actually quite surprised at how strong his opinions were, but I think it led to a very good conversation. So people should check it out. Yeah, that's good. You know, we covered it as it broke last week, which is always so fun. I loved it. I'm so happy that happened last week. I can't believe Jason doesn't like Johnny Ive. You know what? Actually, someone wrote and... because i was like saying about how much i love him and i have such a bias and someone wrote in a like and said
I wonder if it's because he's British. I was literally going to say that. Of course. I find this so strange because I get this whenever I talk about F1, that all my favourite drivers are the British drivers. and like people get so mad about this but like to me it's like Americans are the absolute worst. And so it's very funny to me that when Americans get upset that I, as a British person, support British people.
How dare you? I find it to be very strange. But I guess, of course, one of the reasons I love Johnny Ive, Sir Johnny Ive, is because he's from my homeland. But also because I think he's the greatest designer in all history. Yeah. Oh man, I'm looking through the upgrade feedback form. A lot of feelings about Johnny Ivan here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Don't look in there. Closing that tab. Don't look in there. Don't look in there. We get a lot of it. Some of it gets, everything gets red, only a portion of it gets red on the show. That's right. That's well said. Yeah. But Stephen, you showed up on another podcast this week. I did! I was on the talk show when John Gruber came out yesterday or over the weekend?
Very good episode. My favorite part, one of my favorite parts of the whole episode is where you nearly melted into a puddle. at the beginning of the show because you were immediately put on the spot with a piece of Apple trivia that I don't think you got right. So we were talking about the... screen resolution of the original macintosh and i quoted it as 512 by 384 which is wrong it's 342 i corrected myself quickly But then we went down a rabbit hole of like why that's true.
And then I spent basically the next two days researching why that's true and wrote a lot of words about it on 512px. this article. Yeah, I needed to make it right with the universe. It's been way too much time researching it. Put it together. So yeah, you can go read about that. But yeah, it was great to be on the talk show. We covered a lot of ground. And it was a lot of fun. Pictures of old Macs looks so much better on your new one.
I think so too. The picture of the Lisa with like the sort of teal header and stuff looks really good. Especially if you like line the image up just underneath the banner. Yeah. That's good. I'm really happy with the redesign. I'm really, really pleased. So yeah, go check out the talk show if you want to hear two hours of me talking about stuff. Who would want that? I don't know.
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So as we're recording today, Federico published a world premiere article. It's that time, right? It's Summer Game Fest time. But anyway. This is about an... A thing? I don't even know if I call it an app. Maybe you can answer that for me. A project called Sky, which comes from some of... Well, the creators of Workflow and some of the people who worked on Workflow, we spoke about this company being set up a long time ago. It's called Software Applications Incorporated.
which is the like, hey, we've left Apple, we've got a small team, and we're building the thing. The thing that they're building is called Sky, and Federico had an actual exclusive, right? You're the only person that wrote about this today who got the... Yes, correct. And it's kind of like a preview article. Can you talk about what is going on here to the best of your ability? Because I know it's very complicated. Great article, which people should absolutely go read.
especially even just to look at the images and the GIFs that are in it, so you can kind of get an idea as to what is going on here. Yeah, thank you. Obviously, AI disclaimer. This product has AI and uses LLMs, so if you are not interested... uh there's gonna be a chapter and you can skip it uh but no but i don't think they should though um i was that's very nice of you to say for the people that don't like llms and stuff but like This is, this is this is interesting. You've got enough.
So that was very nice of you to put that disclaimer, but I'm anti-disclaimering it. All right. I tried. To be fair, they did say that they were going to do this two years ago. I remember linking to whatever the folks... said in November 2023. And they actually delivered on that idea. So the short version. So this is an AI powered assistant that you install on your map. and it's using a large language model.
Right now, in the sort of alpha version that I have, it's using a few different models. I mostly used it with GPT 4.1. Claude is also available. There are no local models. that you can install right now that might change i don't know So you install this app and essentially when you invoke it, it's got this little floating window. It kind of looks like a mini version of Spotlight or Raycast, you know, like a launcher.
And you can use it like a launcher in that if you type, I don't know, SA and you launch Safari, like you can use it for that, but it's not really meant for that. It's meant for asking questions. But unlike most chatbots, because you may say, well, I can also ask a question to ChatGPT or Claude, you can also, the whole idea is that it integrates with everything on your Mac. It's basically connecting to all the possible
system hooks that are available on Mac OS. It's using all of them. And I kind of want to get into the technical details of some of the underlying tech, but I will do so when it actually launches. And what you can do is I guess the thing that sets it apart is that it can look at any window on your Mac, whether it's visible in the foreground or in the background or minimized in the dock even. It can look at any window and it can read the actual content.
of any window using a special flavor of OCR in that it's not just OCR it's like a screenshot plus additional data that's the sort of the secret sauce so to speak it can read the content of any window and it lets you ask questions about that app so you can do things like like basic stuff that you've seen before like you're looking at a browser tab and you're like hey summarize this
Because Sky is built upon this idea of getting window content is the first idea. And the second one is performing actions. It's got these tools. There's built-in tools that come for free with the app. And obviously for a power user, you can make your own tools. After all, these are the same people that made workflow, that made shortcuts. But what's different this time is that, and this is one of the themes of the story.
Both workflow and shortcuts were always kind of... They were always mostly optimized for the power user end of the spectrum. What these folks tried to do this time was like... try and find a better way to cover the entire spectrum of people that want to use computers, from regular people. that maybe I've heard about AI and they're like, well, I know that I can ask questions about CharGPT, but CharGPT is in a browser and it cannot do anything on my computer.
So trying and be this flexible product that can scale from simple things to advanced things.
in a way that shortcuts, to be honest, never could because there's such a high barrier to entry when it comes to shortcuts, you know, putting together a shortcut. So here you can do things like you're looking at a let's say you're looking at a concert page in safari or in an email and you're like hey can you add this to my calendar and also send it to my and it's gonna do all that like from that sentence it's gonna do the visual understanding to see what you mean and then it's gonna use the tool
to create a calendar specifically for the event that you're looking at and it's going to send a message to mike because imessage is one of the built-in tools so that's kind of the idea um it's it lives on your mac It can look at any window and it can perform actions and those actions are based on tools. And there are some built-in tools that the Sky team is going to give you out of the box. and you can make your own tools. That's sort of that broad overview of what it does.
But it's also absolutely controlling your computer, right? Okay, so... How do I explain this? It depends, right? So there are some things Like, for example, iMessage, notes, reminders, the calendar, Apple Mail, web browsing. It actually directly integrates with those apps. um so like it can retrieve your calendar events it can create calendar events um oh obviously file management is a big one so uh it can read any director
It can create files, move files, copy files, delete files. It basically acts as a finder assistant. And it can chain these things together, right? So if you want to do something like, hey, take this email and, I don't know, create a reminder for it and also write a summary of the email as a text file in my desktop, it's going to do all that. Um, right. So it's, it's, it's got that, that behavior sort of like, and you know, people in these days like to call them agents, um, where they're like,
automations in a loop, essentially. But it's got that behavior where it's going to do multiple things in a row for you. When it comes to actually controlling your Mac, It depends what you mean by controlling your Mac. Does it have computer use? Not right now. Can you use Sky itself to write custom tools? to control your mac yes uh and that's kind of the idea like if you're if you're a power user you can sort of extend the app
using AI, using a large language model, essentially using cloud, which is the default model for writing Apple scripts and shell scripts. So where Sky doesn't reach by default... You can provide your own scripts and you can provide your own shortcuts, which I have done, or you can sort of vibe code your way into those tools existing for you. And what's even nicer about this implementation of Vibe coding, and specifically AppleScript. which is... It's totally like a like I don't know why but it
I like to think of it as a Jason Snell feature because I do know that Jason loves some good old-fashioned Apple scripts. He does. so what it does what it does in that case when you're asking hey i want the script to i don't know uh batch rename files in finder in some specific way Or like, I don't know, I want an Apple script for BBEdit or something that does such and such thing. when Claude is creating the Apple script. that Apple Script will likely never hallucinate.
because Sky is actually checking the AppleScript definition file of the target application. So it's, I mean, it's always been correct for me so far, which is incredibly cool. I am guessing this is just my personal speculation. I'm guessing that down the road, this thing will have computer use, but that's like totally separate from what it is in this version that I have right now. How long have you been using it? Two weeks
Okay. Now you said, I'm going to read the opening to your article. Over the course of my career, I've had three distinct moments in which I saw a brand new app and immediately felt like it was going to change how I use my computer. And they were all about empowering people to do more with their devices. And then moving on, you said for the past two weeks, I've been able to use Sky, the new app from the people who made shortcuts.
As soon as I saw a demo, I felt the same way that I did about editorial workflow and shortcuts. I knew Sky was going to fundamentally change how I think about my macOS workflow and the role of automation in my everyday tasks. That is very lofty. Yeah. I mean, obviously, you just wrote this, so you stand by it, but that is big. It's a very big claim, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, that's how I felt.
you know like because i do remember those moments i do actually remember those moments individually the first time i got editorial like where i was and what i was doing when i got short when i got workflow i remember what i was doing shortcuts i was obviously at wwdc And then I was able to catch up with the guys in private. And so I do remember each moment distinctly. And when I got the demo of Sky, it's going to be one of those moments because it was great.
actually sort of losing my mind in terms of understanding how does it actually work. And I think it's incredibly cool the way that it works behind the scenes, which is I will get deep into the technical stuff for the review uh today i just wanted to have a like like a preview you know no need to get into it but also because like technical stuff may change you know absolutely because it seems like this is doing We had stopped.
right like not bad but like not as not as much as you imagine okay yeah but it feels like there is a little bit of like This can only work on the Mac, because on the Mac you have the ability to poke into places and reverse-engine stuff. This can only work on the Mac? But if your concern is, oh, I bet this is the kind of workaround that is going to break with a new design, I am very optimistic that even if Mac OS gets redesigned, it won't break thanks to the way it's been designed.
Maybe a way to put this, I'll ask it to you as a question, and you can just answer or not, is the things that it is reverse engineering are solid. I don't even think it's actually reverse engineering. Okay. I think it's just... All the holes they're poking that feel soft at least. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Okay. It's the kind of frameworks that Apple would be, I mean, let's face it, they would be crazy to get rid of the technologies that Sky is using.
Yeah, that was one of my sort of immediate questions. Like, is this going to be durable or is it going to be one of the situations which we've seen before Apple engage in like a cat and mouse? thing with developers, which is just silly, but... I'm sure it's going to be an app that every single year the new operating system breaks it a bit and they just have to fix it. So many apps are like that, right? Awesome APIs have changed, so we've got to kind of...
we've got to go in and fix it. Not to the point where it's like, if I'm understanding what you're saying, Federico, you wouldn't believe to the point where like the new operating system comes out and it's like, well, we're out of business. It's just like, that was the end of that. Then no more of that. Like it doesn't feel like that.
I imagine installing Sky, the permissions dialogues, a mile long. It was actually one, yes, but it was actually one of the nicest. I don't know if this is going to change by the final release. when i got the first alpha it was one of the nicest onboarding flows I've ever seen for this kind of app that wants a ton of permissions they did all these cute animations and overlays on top of settings it was really nice those are my favorites when an app I can't remember which app
that i used recently but it was like that where it opens settings and like points i think clean shot does some of this yeah maybe like points to like it creates ui that points to where you're supposed to click which I like that because... it's helpful right and then just like open settings and do it it's like i don't know it's so hard to find the places now where you gotta go um to change any of these permissions dialogues i like it when an app can like
suggest to you very clearly where you're gonna go yeah yeah yeah it's very nicely done um yeah yeah so i'm i'm very positive that it'll keep working um I guess one of the things I wanted to talk about is This idea of the same app being both accessible for simple tasks but also very, very optimized for power users at the same time. And what I find most interesting is that I actually brought this in the story.
you want to use this for like just launching some of your existing scripts or shortcuts like it's not going to be the best tool for that because Those are like... fixed things on your computer that you just want to launch quickly. And here, and especially right now, if you try and do that, run a shortcut. with with sky just run a shortcut without any additional processing you're gonna have latency because it's going through an LLM so actually if you just wanna run a shortcut as it is
with no AI involved, there are better solutions for that. Like Raycast? Raycast. But what I think is interesting is shortcuts or Apple scripts or shell scripts as part of this. I call it hybrid automation, not because I like to make up brands, but just because it's a pretty simple way to get the idea. I think Sky is useful when you have these kinds of automations that need to have flexible inputs, non-deterministic inputs.
the kinds of automations where you don't know exactly what the input data is going to be like. which is basically the opposite of shortcuts or Apple scripts the old-fashioned way. The example that I used in the story was... I have this shortcut that I can use to save articles to Mike's favorite application, Readwise Reader. It's on my home screen. Now, before I used to have to choose a tag for an article manually. Save an article, okay, what's the tag, pick a tag, save it.
with Sky because there's an LLM and because LLMs are pretty great at understanding text I modified that sort of workflow on my computer to be like okay before you run the shortcut do some natural language processing understand what this article is about and pick one of these tags from this list of tags that I have. Choose one that you think is most appropriate. for the article and then use that for the shortcut that you're gonna run so which basically is like okay how do you take some input data
That can be one of multiple things. You cannot use regular expressions for that because you actually need language understanding.
And so how do you combine that flexibility that needs to happen by understanding text with a deterministic automation that requires an api it requires saving an article choosing a tag and this is what sky i think is pretty great at like combining the non-deterministic nature of chatbot with power user stuff if you're interested in the power user stuff yeah when i saw this example this is something i exactly want
Like, this exact thing. Because I have tags, and I like to assign tags to my articles, but I find it a frustrating step. yeah right like i want to do it but it's like every time i've got to like choose it plus readwise has this thing where i'm sure it just reorganizes the the tags and every single time I get the view where it's like, what order are these even in?
so i was like oh yeah this is great and like to kind of build on what you were saying federico it's like the power of this kind of technology is like where you're you're adding variable content into an automation the type of thing that is going in article is fake. but the content of the article, completely random, and without a computer that can understand fully what the information is taking in.
Because if it can't do that, it limits what you're able to do with it, right? Where you couldn't do this... without this kind of level of understanding that a computer can provide now with these tools. The best you could maybe do is some kind of sentiment analysis. That is so heavy as a thing to do.
a step like this i found it very interesting yeah yeah and and so obviously i mean i guess it'll it'll come down to how much they can balance The fact that most users just want to play around with AI on their computers. and they're not interested in writing Apple scripts or shortcuts, how much can you make it flexible?
for somebody who doesn't want to go in and create anything themselves. Like how flexible can it be out of the box versus How flexible can you be for the people who actually want to get their hands dirty with this? And so it comes down to that. They said it's launching this summer, I believe they said in the promo video. So they have a few months. The collection of built-in tools is already quite solid.
What I think is most impressive is the whole idea of you can take a sky shot this is one of the things we did not mention like taking a sky shot it's like you hold down the two command keys on your keyboard. especially the right one, which nobody ever uses. You hold down the two command keys and you take this sky shot and the sky shot is basically a screenshot with additional metadata built in. And so that idea of... it doesn't need to be when it comes to understanding what you're doing
it doesn't need to be integrated with anything specifically because it can just read the screen and read the window. But when it comes to performing actions, it does. And so they have these built-in tools or you can use shortcuts or you can use AppleScript and you can use ShellScript. And I believe by the public launch, you will also be able to use MCP, which I don't know. MCP feels like the kind of thing that Mike is going to question me about.
Do you have questions about MCP, Mike? I mean, I'm vaguely aware of it at this point. So it's like this standard that everybody's kind of using now. for you know there was a good episode of the verge class last week when they were talking about google io and they were talking about mcp and i found it to be an interesting discussion because it's like
Essentially, with something like MCP, the web just becomes a series of databases that everybody's calling. And the hope is that something like MCP could at least try and... help establish a new monetary model for the web of, like, it costs, it's tolls, essentially, for accessing these databases. I have no idea if that even makes any sense but...
That to me was like, okay, someone's at least trying to come up with something to still make the web some form of transaction where it needs to be. But yeah, so I've become a little bit more familiar with MCP. Here's a question I have. For someone like me, because you were referencing automations and is it going to be able to do it?
I think I'm very interested in this talk because I think it looks really nice and the examples that you gave are really cool. But sometimes, I think this hits the thing that I have with a lot of automation, right? Well sometimes it feels like it's more effort to run the automation than just to do the thing. Sure. Yeah, isn't there like an XKCD comic about this? Probably.
Yeah, there is. I won't recall it, but I can maybe try and find it. Yeah, this one. There's an example that you gave, which I thought was very technically interesting, which was... take a look at my downloads folder and deal with this for me. And it dealt with it in a really great way, but I'm like, I probably could have done that. Now, you do reference that John Voorhees
has over a thousand things in his downloads folder. And so it did a better job, I'm sure, than he could have done in any amount of time to deal with that stuff. I know that in this you're like showing examples of the types of things it can do but there is that thing of like for someone who's not willing to write an Apple script
they have to be able to ship this product with enough built-in stuff that I can type these commands in and feel like that I'm actually saving time and it's not just like, look at this fancy toy, right? Yeah. I think so. That is the challenge right now. It's going to be interesting because it's also going to be integrated with your Google account. So it's going to have direct Gmail integration. It's going to use Cloud for writing the script.
You can use multiple versions of Claude. I tested Opus 4 and did an excellent job. What else I did? I forgot to mention. Let's see. Doesn't care which browser you use, obviously, because of the window content thing. And it's also integrated with Google Maps. So you can also use Google Maps if you want as a provider. Again, my personal theory is that there's another shoe to drop for this product which has to be
down the road, some version of computer use, right? Because by computer use, I mean like... Okay, Sky, actually do this thing for me in this app, you know? Like, actually take control of my computer. Like, that has to be... down the road for these folks. But I don't know. Yeah, well, at the moment, the only things that it can seem to do is the stuff that the APIs provide, like add a note, send a message.
It's not actually going, opening messages and sending the message, right? It's, it's just sending it via the S like via the integration. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's actually like clicking the messages icon and you know, interacting with the messages window on your behalf. But I think it's a good thing that it's not yet trying to do that. I think it's too early to do that, right? Yeah, probably best to do it later also because like computer use.
as a thing in the AI space is very early. There's tons of different models right now and sort of like the dust still needs to settle on that. And so it's probably best for them to wait and just say, look, we have this collection of built-in tools. We can read your content from any window. You can ask questions about any window on your computer. And when it comes to taking actions, you have these built-in tools or you can use any of these custom ones. It'll be interesting to see also.
if they will leverage what they did with workflow and shortcuts, which was the community aspect. Will you be able to actually share custom tools with people? It's going to be interesting also because those custom tools can even be a regular AI prompt. Because it's based on AI, a tool can be a custom instruction. Just text. Just text. And so it'll be interesting to see if there's going to be, I don't know, a directory aspect. Obviously, these folks, they...
They should have some expertise on that front, given that Workflow used to have one, Shortcuts still has one. and so But I don't know. I haven't heard or seen anything about that. I hope it does because I would like to share stuff with people. I think even if they don't, they'll obviously be, you know, there'll be a subreddit or something. So I think it makes sense for them to embrace it. And that was, I mean, thinking back to it.
that was one of the things that made workflow so cool. Like that you could, you Federico could build something and then share it on Mac stories. And like your readers could download the thing and do it right. And, and shortcuts, you know, they've sort of. kept it alive but i don't i think if apple had started shortcuts on its own maybe that what would not have been a feature even but I hope they lean into it. I think it makes sense.
There's one thing that you kind of reference, and we've spoken about it here a little bit, and I do think it's important to talk about, which is the when it works aspect of this kind of technology. All of this is great when it works. And I wonder... It's complicated, right? If we're doing something here where now I'm interacting with my computer and doing things on my computer and computer rethink... especially looking forward to computer use. Building this kind of tool
There is that risk of like, do you end up just annoying your users because it doesn't work the way that they expect, right? Like they try to do a thing and it just doesn't work. And how much control do they have over that, right? When the LLMs are powering it at the end, like... If you build an app where you've written all the code for the app, you have control to a degree of how it functions when a user tries to use it. But when you're kind of giving
your house over to the LLM. It's like, well, it's going to do what it's going to do, right? They can't, they cannot, they can put checks and balances in place, but they cannot control the output for the input. You just can't because Otherwise you wouldn't use the LLM if you could control its response in every time.
And this is a question we just don't have the answer for yet. But tools like this, how do you feel about them? Do we end up feeling about them the same way that we feel about Syria in the long run? because you ask it to do something and it doesn't do it like how many times is a user willing to accept that kind of to accept fault Or is the technology so good that you're willing to accept faults more often? I just don't know, right? We don't know.
My understanding is that the challenge over the past few months has been like not necessarily like obviously also programming the app itself and all of the mac os integrations but also like sort of managing the llm you know like trying to manage something that is by design I don't want to say unmanageable but it's non-deterministic it can produce unexpected stuff it can hallucinate results I took a look at the system prompt.
for Sky, even though I wasn't supposed to. And I did it on my own. I didn't publish it. It's a really good system prompt and I can tell you that they have put a lot of checks in different places for making sure that things go a certain way. The two hallucinations that I saw were actual bugs in how they were dealing with, for example, one of them was getting a link from Spotify. It was a very specific thing.
But at the same time like short they can have a really good system prompt short they can have this structure where they have some local stuff happening that is checking what gets passed to the LLM and then it's checking again what returns from the LLM. And this is not unheard of, I think Simon Willison. For example, theorize.
this idea of the dual LLM approach, where you have two LLMs actually working together, one to check what the other is doing. Interesting stuff. And Google actually published a white paper on this.
a couple of months ago i forgot is it called the camel architecture where you basically have two lms one is quarantined and the other is not and one of them is checking the output of the other crazy stuff um there's a paper that you can find somewhere but even you know despite all the checks that you can put in place
Can you have a 100% guarantee that this is always going to go the way you expect? No. At this point, scientifically, no. You can't have that. You can check that NLM always returns output. in a certain way and if it doesn't you're gonna block the answer like If you expect getlm to give you, I don't know, some Python code or some JSON and it doesn't, you can have a little actual traditional code in your app that says, well, this is not Python. I'm not going to show this to the user. But...
What if the Python code is bad? What if it is Python code? What if it is Apposcript but it's actually bad? Do you have a 100% guarantee that it's going to work? No. you don't and you know that's i guess the the bargain that we signed up for uh but yeah um but at the same time it also gives you the flexibility to do stuff that you couldn't do before. And that's the whole thing, I suppose. This thing that sometimes can hallucinate or can be wrong or can produce unexpected content at the same time.
It's also the technology that allows you to just chat and ask stuff with typos and natural language. So yeah, it's a balance. It's another example of someone beating Apple to shipping something they said they would do. And this goes, I think, much further even than the personal assistant stuff Apple outlined at WBDC. Man, what's going on in the Apple software division?
here's a funny thing that that i'm just gonna mention um i saw a while back somebody on the internet i don't remember where but i saw somebody actually reverse engineer app intent like third-party app intents. I saw somebody, I'll try my best to find the link, that was able to put together a proof of concept that could call third-party shortcuts actions from third-party apps. in their third party app. Now obviously this is something that only Siri
can do? You know, the whole idea of like Apple intelligence and using third-party app intents. I think people are trying to reverse engineer that using private APIs. So it'll be so funny. It'll be so funny if the Skyfolks or somebody else tries to reverse engineer AppIntense and ships the Apple Intelligence demo before Apple Intelligence. That'll be so funny if it happens. I'll try my best to find that link of the person who was attempting. Seems risky.
Like, that seems the kind of thing where, like, you would build a thing and then they might just pull the rug from under you because they don't really care about you. It is. They're, like, doing their own thing. Yeah. I sent this to Finn. i sent this to finn obviously the one through son for research purposes um but this was the idea um It's somebody that was able to put a proof of concept together that can call third party actions and intents.
with SIP, System Integrity Protection, still enabled on macOS, still enabled, just as they say, just a little private API happening. A little. Just a little. A little private API. Man, well, this will be exciting to see where it goes. And congrats on the exclusive. Thank you. Thank you. Super cool. Thank you. Super. Hopefully, the final thing I'll say, hopefully this launches to the public before it gets acquired by somebody. Yeah. Apple should buy them.
I don't know if they would want to do that, but I feel like... I mean, Apple can't do it this way, right? I understand what you're saying, Stephen, but Apple can't do it this way. I just feel like it's too... like inherently strange like which is good about us like the good thing about i just don't think apple could do it the way that they're doing it but
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Game launcher and achievement and leaderboards and editorial content. Of course, Apple Arcade promotion. So if you see a red badge on this app icon, it's just Apple trying to sell you Apple Arcade. Have I hit my head or does Apple have Game Center still? Not really. It's not what it used to be, right? Game Center is just in the settings app now. It's not what you think. Yeah, it really isn't. And the reason I had this thing today where...
John Voy has pointed this out to me, that Game Center is not a dedicated app, and it hasn't been for a long time. Oh, yeah. That Game Center exists. the functionality and the references to it but it's like in settings and it pops up in certain games It's a framework. GamesCenter used to be its own application, right, where you could go and you could look at stuff that was happening. Yeah, it was felty. It was felty for at least one iteration.
And then it was bubbly. Remember the iOS 7 redesign? Oh, that was weird. I do remember that. The icon of it, when it pops up in games, is still bubbles. There are still bubbles, but it's not as bubbly as it used to be. yeah what a weird thing but so as well as that The Mac version would be able to show games that were apparently not downloaded on the App Store, and this would be part of the WWDC announcement.
apple have also acquired a company called rack seven who made a game called sneaky sasquatch which was an apple arcade game For some reason they have acquired this team of two. game developers which is Odd. It's very strange. Acquisition feels like a strong word when it's just two people, but I mean, congrats to them. Yeah, I mean, it's still an acquisition. It's a company. They bought the company. I don't know why.
Apple referenced that it's a games thing. They're not hiring these guys as developers for Game Center or whatever. The quote that they gave, I'm trying to bring it up now, but MacRumors is not loading. But it's, we love Sneaky Sasquatch and we're excited that the two-person team has joined Apple to continue their work on it with us.
We will continue to deliver a great experience for Apple Arcade players. I don't understand why they have done that. That is interesting to me. Especially there are other development studios that they give a similar amount of...
love to like the what the car what the bat team where like they just seemingly at this point seem to just be making games for our blockade like they have like a new one every year or something i don't understand what's going on here like in my dream world this is a game store
And then games are separated from the app store. And there's an app store and a game store with different rules for each of them. This is my dream scenario of what they're building here. Yeah. But I do not think that that is what is going on. But it's what I would like. to a car so like the game store that split is 73 store is 1090. That's the kind of thing I want to see. I don't think that's what this is.
But if it's just this, I don't know what the point of it is. I don't know why this isn't going to happen. I don't know what they expect to go. I think a split like that would have worked five years ago. But I think the situation that Apple is in now legally and reputationally with the App Store, like say they split it and developers get a better cut than game developers, like that would only last so long.
in the world of courts and lawsuits who even knows anymore you know what i i agree with you like but who even knows anymore like at least it would be they were trying something and it would preserve most of their in-app purchase right most of their in-app purchase money is from games it's not yes you know it's a lot of money for regular developers right but in the scheme or in the scale of apple excuse me in the scale of apple it is uh it's mostly game
You know, maybe scheme was the right word, actually. Yeah, scheme is a good one. Hard to say. Scheme has a couple of different meanings, and it works great in both of these scenarios. I'm a writer. very cool as our resident gamer. How do you feel about this? Um... To me, this sounds like Apple is creating a copy of... Do you guys ever own the Backbone controller? Yes, absolutely.
Good call. To me, this sounds like an Apple version of the Backbone app, which is basically a launcher for all the games that you have installed on your device. Plus, they also have integration with streaming and that sort of thing. I don't mean to sound too harsh because Whenever I am harsh, I upset some people and so I'm going to try my best. But it feels to me as if this is yet another delusion from Apple's part to put up this pretense that they understand.
video games when they only understand video games in the context of a financial product. And I mean, obviously... people make video games because, you know, they want to make money. But... Apple seems to always treat video games as a revenue source. they never truly put in the same amount of care and love into games, as they're doing for, say, Apple TV Plus. Like, obviously, Apple TV Plus needs to make money, but you can also tell that they care about their artistic form of...
films and television. You can tell that they care. And also it needs to make money. But the two things can coexist. And to me, with the App Store and Apple Arcade, I don't know, it always felt... Like a half-baked effort to say, yeah, we do love games. Bye. This seems like another attempt to say, hey look at us, look at all these games that we have.
on the App Store for families and that you can use for free and some AAA stuff! I'm sure this will be... another great storefront for Death Stranding, Assassin's Creed and No Man's Sky and those other five games that they sort of rotate in their press releases.
What they should have done is understand that they either work with STEAM an xbox or they don't and that's what i would have i think quinn nelson was posting about this last night like what i would have done is you're you're apple you fundamentally hate epic right you hate epic games all right cool you go to valve you're like hey valve all right listen to us We're gonna work with you. We're gonna work with you to actually make Steam on the Mac a great place for video games.
Here's the game porting toolkit technology that we have. Please work with us to make sure that it's comparable to Proton and to the compatibility layer that you have. That's what they were supposed to do on the Mac. On iOS and iPadOS Work with Microsoft. Work with everybody except Epic Games to say, all right, what do you want to bring your cloud games? or Game Pass, whatever it is, can you please, please bring these games to iOS and iPadOS? Essentially, what I'm saying is
On desktop, there's a company that you gotta go to, and it's Valve. And on mobile devices, there's PlayStation, and there's Nintendo to an extent, and there's Microsoft, because Microsoft truly wants Xbox to be everywhere. That's what I would have done. I wouldn't do yet another quasi-app store storefront where you sort of take out the games. And you put a couple of stories a week to say, these games are great. We have Tetris and we have Monopoly and we have, I don't know.
But you do what I imagined if you understand theater games. And if games for you are just another upstart category, then that's your problem. I know that there are people there that understand games because they got Balatro. Yeah. Right? Yeah. The people that did that, I want to see them making more of the big decisions. at apple arcade and at apple and gaming because that was smart that was really smart and that would have cost a lot of money and they did it they made it work and it was great
I know that there are people that don't understand how to do it. They are clearly not given. the resources, and comparing it to Apple TV is really smart. I never thought about that before because the people that are making the Apple TV TV shows are absolutely given the agency and resources. Apple Arcade is not the same way. But I feel like Apple could make more money from games than they could make from TV on iOS. Yeah. And I mean, it doesn't...
The thing is, if you don't find a way to combine the culture and to combine the care with the resources and the money, It doesn't matter how deep your pockets are. I mean, look at Netflix and all the studios they acquired, the people they acquired, the exclusives that they got for Netflix games, and then it all went to, you know. to that place um It's like, it doesn't really matter how much money you have. There's plenty of companies these days with this.
with, I was going to say disposable income, with billions of dollars. That's not disposable income. There's all kinds of companies with billions of dollars who could do games and some of them i tried uh but ultimately they fail because you require that's you you require the combination of money yeah and the care
And if you don't have both, you're just going to end up being another Google Stadia, another Netflix games, another arcade. Netflix is the elephant in the room because Netflix got all the right games. Night. And it doesn't seem to have worked for them. Now, you could argue... the reason it hasn't worked is because like with apple tv and i think netflix have really put a lot of money into talking about the fact that they have games like they're acquiring the rights to lots of great games
but they're not doing a very good job of telling their customers that they should use them. Yeah. So, I don't know, I mean... I'm sure this will be one of the big announcements in iOS 19. Game store, games app, whatever. I bet it's going to be called the games app. Apple games. Apple games? Oh yes, it's Apple games. For sure, you're right. It's Apple games. We'll see. Maybe there's more acquisitions coming. Who knows?
Before we wrap up, so next week we're doing the Rickies, so that will probably be pretty focused on talking about WWDC. But next week, the Nintendo Switch 2 launches the day after we record. And so I wanted to get a quick hype check.
from the gang about the Nintendo Switch 2. steven do you want to stop i did not pre-order one we're gonna do it do you regret that a little bit because my plan was to do it for the holidays and now i'm afraid i'm not gonna be able to find one I will say my 10-year-old has been talking to his cousin, and they are both very excited about the Switch 2, but my brother's plan also is to wait until the holidays, and so...
I think Mark and I will have to do this in conjunction so the cousins can play together. But yeah, super excited for the reviews and to see what people think about it. My advice to you. So apparently there is, it's looking like... There's going to be stock available when it launches in stores. I might just go ahead and get one on the way. You should just try and get one because... If you wait until the holidays, you might be paying more money. Yeah, that's true. It's true.
Did y'all pre-order? I forget. We talked about it. Oh, yeah. I pre-ordered two. One for me and one for Mr. Brandon Bigley. Oh, did you? Yeah. That's how that went down in the end. Yeah, yeah. How are you going to get it to him? i'm gonna ship it to him to japan yes oh my god wait so like you're brandon's john Yes. And you're not going to ship it to John and have John send it to Brendan?
That feels more like, is John coming over to ship it to Brandon? What's happening? Have I guys told you? Have I told you guys that I have a new shipment guy? No. Do you know about a new guy? No. I don't know about your new guy. All right. So there's this guy, Alessio. All right. He's got, in theory, well, not in theory, in practice also, like he runs this new stand.
Old-fashioned newsstand. Oh, this is great. That's cool. Okay. Okay. All right. We still have quite a few newsstands in Rome. A lot of them have closed over the years, obviously. But what I've noticed is that a lot of newsstands have sort of repurposed their business with being delivery point. and shipment points for all kinds of packages at Amazon, obviously, or selling Cards for trading card games like Pokemon, Magic, One Piece, all the popular apps. Card games. That I sell vapes to.
No, they don't sell vapes. I haven't seen vapes. And apparently they're making quite a bit of money with that, especially with the delivery stuff. So Alessio, you know, I found out about Alessio a few months ago, become my best friend. Now we, you know, when I go there, like today I went there. had like 10 packages that I needed to ship, all Amazon returns basically. And it's like, and so every time we chat and it's very flexible, it supports all of the major couriers.
and then we end up talking about like you know video games because he's also a gamer so we were talking about xbox and oblivion and all that kind of stuff cool guy so i am gonna use alessio to ship brandon's nintendo switch 2 to japan That is incredible. I feel like we just got an NPC exclusive. NPC listeners has gone exclusive, which is great. Do you guys remember my story about the original Nintendo Switch?
I know you did a video review of it. I remember that. Because I wanted one. What? Because I wanted to do that. I pre-ordered three of them. That's right. From different, from different sizes. well i did it again i i pre-ordered three nintendo switches uh again for the same reason as last time which is like retail here in the uk when it comes to nintendo is very weird like They all just started selling them randomly, not on the agreed upon date.
And none of them are clear about whether you're actually going to get it on release day or not. So I ordered one. The first one I got was from a site I do not trust. The second one was from a website I trusted. And that was going to be the end. Then there was a company who was like, yeah, but you can just come pick it up from a store. And I was like that.
So I have three pre-orders, but they already all have homes, right? Like people that couldn't get them. So one will go to my wife and one of my best friends from home couldn't get one. I was like, great i have three so it's like same as last time where last time one went to a friend and one went to my brother like
I'm not like flipping these things. It's people that tried and couldn't get them, but I'm just more plugged into the system and was able to get a bunch of pre-orders in. So I'm going to have mine on day one. I'm going to go pick it up from a toy store, which is just like fantastic. I'm so happy about that. I'll be there when it opens, pick it up, come home. And what's so good, I'm so happy about this, so...
My mother-in-law is coming to help out during WWDC week. So, like, I can work late and, like, you know, there'll be help. She's arriving on that day.
so like i will get like a day and a half of i'm just gonna play nintendo i'm gonna go upstairs and i'm gonna play nintendo and i am so excited about this like this is lining up just right for me uh i'm really excited about it i'm really excited about mario kart that's that's like the whole thing of me for launch like it's just is mario kart that's what i'm
Yeah, I'm so, so deeply excited about getting your Nintendo console, Mario Kart. And I think I've decided I am gonna play Breath of the Wild again. instead of Tears of the Kingdom. If anything, because I do know that deep down in my heart, I prefer that game. And so I'm gonna play that game again. And I think I'm just gonna download a bunch of stuff to see what it's like on the Nintendo Switch.
But I think I'm going to play Cyberpunk on it. I want to see what it's like to play a really demanding game on the Nintendo Switch 2, despite... Spoilers, I guess. Despite me now having a proper gaming PC, I want to see what it's like on the Nintendo Switch 2. Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'm really intrigued. How are these things actually gonna run? Like, truly.
We've got to find that out in the reviews. Did you say that Nintendo's not sending reviews? Yeah, it's not clear. Are they really doing this? There's not going to be press with review access before? IGN. Said no. Huh. That's silly. Why? Dunno. That's not great.
IGN said no. IGN said that they were not getting units, and so they'll be doing reviews in progress from... that is weird okay it's not it's usually not a good sign or nintendo just don't care right like nintendo just don't care Does it matter if you sell all that you can make? It doesn't, right? Yeah, IGM reported there will be no early Switch 2 reviews.
It's taking me to a Reddit post where it says the post was deleted by the person who posted it so take that with grain of salt i've just said it and now i'm not sure anymore because that was this thing i saw on blue sky and now i'm struggling to find like sourcing of it but that they said it they said it initially i don't know what's gonna happen
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