From relay, this is Connected, episode 550. Today's show is brought to you by Turbulence Forecast. I'm your annual chairman, Federico Vittici, and it's my pleasure to introduce to the show, Mr. Stephen Hackett. Hello, Stephen. Hello. Did you know 550 in Roman numerals is DL? Yeah, it makes sense. Connected episode DL. Keep it on the down low. Keep it. On the down low. Yes, I'm Stephen Hackett. Hello, Federico. And we are joined by our keynote chairman, Mr. Mike Curley. You know...
Until you said that, I thought I was the annual chairman. I've forgotten what chairman I was. Keynote. Oh, so I've got to compete in a few weeks' time. Dude, WBC is around the corner. I mean, May is here. It's not as close as I think it is because I keep doing things. that suggests that the next month on the calendar is June, but it's not. So it's close, but to me, it's further away than I think it is.
But it is coming up. It's coming up real soon. It is. I'm getting excited, to be honest. I'm excited for WWE this year. I don't know how you two are feeling, but I'm looking forward to it. I'm excited about a redesign in the sense of the user perspective, but I was on the phone earlier with underscore. I was like, from that perspective, real scared. Terrible. Yeah, this could be a real... Yeah, this could be like...
This would be... When did you start working with him? It was the beginning of 24. So this would be potentially the first big summer. Because 23 was big, right? Yeah, 23 was big. Because they bought widgets everywhere. And then last year, we did a bunch of stuff on Widget Smith, but it wasn't like Apple had... drastic changes for us but this year could be like we have to look at every single screen in all these apps
I look forward to that version of Stephen for June to September of this year. I'm excited for him. Follow up. Follow up. This was one of those things where I opened the feedback form and like, I love you all. There were so many people who sent the same thing, which was awesome. I'm quoting Julian because Julian was first. Okay. We were talking about the macro mode in the iOS camera on the phone and how you don't like how it...
Yes, it switches too aggressively for me. Yes, you want a gentle switching. And so we had talked about like, oh, you go into settings, there's not a setting for it. This is one of the things where I honestly think Apple really should spend some time like just looking at their settings for things because this is. a little confusing so if you go into settings camera preserve settings which is a terrible name but what it is
What preserve settings means is if you change something in the camera app, it will stay that way. Yeah. So camera preserve settings, macro control. After you do whatever you want in the macro mode in the camera app. And so if you have it off, it will stay off. It won't automatically switch. This is the perfect thing. Yes. Hilariously, the first person to tell me about this... that my wife sent me from a conversation that she was having with a friend on Instagram who said, tell Mike this.
It was very confusing for me to get that screenshot. That's one way to send feedback. I know Chris. Chris could have sent it to me. Yeah, no. For now, we can just slide into your wife.
dms on instagram okay if everyone could just send feedback to my wife don't do that don't do that to her she'll get it to me no she's got things going on she's busy um but Yeah, so this is doing what I want, which is now that I keep, you know, you keep the macro control thing on so you are able to enable it if you want to.
But now it preserves my settings, which is off. So I have the little flower with the line through it, which means it's off whenever I'm using it. Take that, nature. Yeah, who cares? Nature's nature. And now it doesn't switch as often as the phone wants it to. So I'm very happy about this. Thank you to everyone who solved this problem for us and Apple. You've got to get it together on this one.
my opinion but what a poorly named thing preserve settings like aren't all settings preserved that's the point of them yeah i I agree with you that it's weird. It's also weird, but I do like that this exists, though. I have used it in the past for some other stuff, too, the Preserve Settings thing. pretty it's a good thing to have for the camera specifically that like there are things that you do in the camera app that
might just be what you're doing this time. But there are things you might want to do that you want to be the same every time. Like maybe you want live photos off all the time or something like that rather than just turning them off in this one instance. So it's a good thing that it exists. It's always funny when you find these things in Apple settings where it's like, oh, you actually have a weird granular settings, like just in this one.
how much of a fight was that for the camera team right you know yeah and i get it the camera is really complicated and it can do a lot of things and i'm glad that those settings are there because like some people really You know, I never want to shoot outside the frame or whatever that thing was years ago, but I think it could be, I just, my point is, I think it could just be clarified. I'm glad that they're there. The iPhone camera app is almost like its own operating system. It is.
It is so incredibly complicated in there, right? Like across the like 12 different shooting modes and then all of the different features that you can have within them. Do you remember cinematic mode? I do. Okay, moving along. Martin wrote in to me. I mentioned my UniFi cameras, and we are going to do a whole Ubiquiti UniFi episode of Mac Power Users later in the year. But for now, Martin asked.
Do your Unify cameras natively support the Apple Home app? If not, are you just using the Unify app to view and control? So they do not support the Apple Home app by default. You could probably someone emailed me as like, you could pipe them in through like. home assistant or something i don't necessarily i actually don't want my cameras in the home app because i i don't like what was that noise mike what was that noise sorry was that out loud no he said he said the home assistant you're like
I just, I can't. Like, I find it... I hate homocyst animals. things i know people love them and i know it just it's just so complicated like i had home bridge set up once and then the home bridge server the clock changed and everything broke and I couldn't log into the server anymore because the clock broke and I don't know how the clock could break but it did and then that was the end.
it and it was there was no more home bridge for me so yeah that i only have one thing in home bridge now uh when i was using ring stuff i had more in there But to answer Martin's question, I use the Unify app. So they have a camera app and it is every bit as good as Ring or Nest or any other sort of consumer camera app that you've ever used. But what I really like about it is you have nearly endless customization when it comes to notification.
And so say that you want to be notified only if a car is in your driveway, but not a person like because it can do. basic object recognition. And I don't have this set up on mine, but you can do facial recognition and be like, oh, if it's my wife approaching the front door, don't send me a notification. But if it's a stranger, let me know. You can really dive into that. And so I'm using, they call it Protect. It's the Protect app. And I've been very happy with it. And it's been great.
Unify make a camera called AI Turret, which I just think is like a bad. That's a terrible name. That's really bad. Just a friendly name. The AI turret that's just going to look at you, you know? Yeah. I mean, looking at their whole thing, all of their imagery, it all looks like Portal. Everything's lit up. G5 Pro with Vision Enhancer looks like the... AI Turret sounds like the name of a product that the guy...
who deals weapons and is now also making a Game Boy would make. Oh, Palmer Lucky? Yeah, it sounds like a Palmer Lucky product. AI turret. Can I say something on the show, which is a safe space? Oh, boy. Sure. Jim, get ready.
Someone reached out to me and they were like, hey, would you like this cool Game Boy that we're making? And I was like... sure like i'll take one of those and so i got someone and then like two weeks later i was like oh no is it headlines i'll never talk about it i'll never talk about it uh but i didn't know disclosure
They sent me the Game Boy. It's really nice, but it's really complicated because not great, you know what I mean? Poor Mike just wanted a Game Boy. Mike just wanted a Game Boy. Just make a Game Boy. Why have you got to do everything else? Couldn't you just make a Game Boy instead of, you know... Dealing weapons. Just make it, just choose, you know? Stay in your lane! That is the biggest stay in your lane, right? I mean, look, it's a spectrum, all right? On one hand.
On one end, there's a Game Boy, and on the other, there's a weapons dealer. So... It was like, I was, it was one of those things I was like, oh, like, oh. You know, it's just, it's just, it's just coming from a guy who makes a Game Boy with a little weapon on the side, you know? It's like heavy. It's apparently a really good Game Boy. I'm not telling you to buy one.
And there's no point in hiding. It's called the Mod Retro, right? Like, that's the thing. I'm not telling people to buy one, but I will say it is a really nice piece of equipment. But, you know. Disclaimer, you know? Disclaimer. Disclaimer. I'm not even going to put this link in the show notes because people will see it and be like, but I feel like I've made myself really clear at this point. They're all sold out. Okay. I think it was very popular. Look at these colors.
Yeah, it's a very nice piece. i'm sorry but i gotta i gotta i gotta Shout out this comment in Discord, Zoe. saying, hopefully Amber Nick won't get into weapons manufacturing. Now that's going to tank NPC. You thought terrorists were doing you in. Nope, it's war crimes. Oh, boy. You know, Amber, Nick, if they get into weapons manufacturing, they're going to make like 20 different models of the same gun. And it's like... And they all come out a week apart.
Okay, sorry, enough with the weapons joke. This is not... comedy material. No, it's not. We're done. There are beats in cause. Beats and Cards. Daniel wrote in to say regarding Beats branded product. My friends have a smart hashtag one. That is the way you're supposed to say it, apparently. And it comes with a Beats-branded audio system. In their trim version, there's a lowercase b in all of the speakers.
There's also a sporty Brabus trim of the car, which has an uppercase B Brabus all over the car in addition to the lowercase B branding of B. There's a link in the show notes to the smart hashtag one. And you can see some pictures with the speakers with the Beats logo. Yeah. Yeah. Who knew? Well, I guess. I guess somebody did. This is one of those things where I feel like not everybody knows. We didn't, but Daniel did. I feel like Ethan's like, how old is this car?
Is it new? Like 2023. All right. So this to me feels like just one of those things where like there are people at Apple that just don't know. Oh, Tim Cook didn't know about this until right now. Yeah, this is just a thing that like nobody knows. Now they do. There's a picture of the infotainment screen not running CarPlay. No. Come on. There's a little fox on the corner though. It says comfort mode and there's a little fox. Is that comfortable? I don't know.
Let me tell you a thing that's happened to me in my life, right? Okay. So, I was going outside a couple of days ago, and all of a sudden... Huge. Huge if true. Yep. I know. All of a sudden... and noise at the fence. I was like, oh, it's a fox. We have foxes sometimes in our garden. They're just hanging out. The problem this time is it was actually a family of foxes. There were two adult foxes. They left, but the fox cubs...
Didn't. They're just in the garden now. And they're not scared of me like their adult foxes are. Okay. So we just got these little fox cubs running around, which is adorable. They're kits. They're called kits. Fantastic. Thank you for letting me know about that. But they're just these pair of kits while adorable chasing each other.
absolutely destroyed this peony bush that Adina has been cultivating for like nearly two years. Like they ripped it straight out from the roots. So then she kind of replanted it again. Next day, ripped out again. So these little kids. They're destroying my garden. That's a bummer. Could you hear them? Were they making noise? Let me tell you, man, I know the joke that you're making. Foxes, they make the world.
Like, foxes sound like, I think foxes, when they're up to something, they sound like screaming humans. It's horrific. Does it sound like some white guys in the woods in a fox? What does the fox say? He just had to say it. I was really trying. You really took the wind out of myself. Yeah. I mean, everyone got it as soon as you started. The job was made. You didn't need to get to the end. Like, I knew what you were referring to. One of those. Uh, Mike. You are trying to improve yourself.
Oh, wow. Wow. And you have asked us how we learn things. Yeah, so, alright, here's the setup. What is happening? Spoiler, we don't. Here's the setup for this, alright? I'm going to be honest for a minute. I look up to both of you. As people that are very knowledgeable. Very knowledgeable. And taller. And taller. That's why you look up. Stephen, you wished. All right. Federico, I don't remember. I am taller. I am slightly taller. Are you? Yeah. I'm the shortest. Okay. Yeah.
So I do look up to you both because you're taller than me. But you're both very knowledgeable and you're both, I think, very good at learning. So if there's something that you're interested in, you are very good at learning more. And this is something that I want to get better at, that like learning new things and then having better tools in place to, if I find an interest in something, to like. deep dive on it. So I am curious for you both to talk about like, where do you find
kind of like inspiration to look into something new. And then when you do, how do you know where to go? What do you do with the information? How do you retain it? How does it become? a thing that just becomes part of your mind, as it were. I'm intrigued. So I'll start and I'll say that retaining for me is always more difficult than finding. Finding, you know.
Whenever I come across a topic that I feel like, okay, this is something that I want to learn about. And maybe, you know, a few months ago it was AI and maybe before it was eGPUs and like this sort of macro topic. I think it's important to have that distinction right away. Like the bigger topics of my life that I want to learn about. Like, oh, I feel like I'm behind on AI.
And it's becoming part of my job. I should learn more about this. Or like, oh, I'm doing a podcast about handles. I should learn more about handles. And those are like the bigger topics. And then there are like the smaller things, like the one-off questions. And I think in my mind, those are two separate things, although they share the same methodology, so to speak. So for me, it always... It tends to start with Reddit, if anything, because I always prefer a good Google search.
that's filtered to Reddit to try and find, and usually I take advantage of the date filters a lot, like find information from the past month or for the past year, for example. A good... theoretically human conversation on reddit i say theoretically because there's been like controversy that like some ai bots from some university were like
actually manipulating people in this subreddit we don't need to get into all of that but by and large if i'm reading a conversation about eGPUs on the eGPU subreddit i'm running into a bunch of like like-minded people that have done this before So that's usually the first place to start. And the first line of offense is always Google, Reddit. And after that, there's a combination of... So it's like a funnel, right?
these layers and the deeper I go down I'm trying to distill like the actual details that I need And, and, and when I do that, I keep like a notes app on the side and it's not like I'm writing down absolutely everything that I got to know, but like just the key details. So after that, Wikipedia is a good place to double check.
YouTube videos, because unfortunately like a lot of information for like tech stuff these days, you can only find in YouTube videos. And sometimes you can use Google search. to find a keyword in a transcript of a YouTube video. So there's also that. Also filtering YouTube results by date also helps.
and finding smaller creators, like smaller YouTubers, especially for like niche content. Like there was this creator on YouTube. She was doing like this wild eGPUs setups and she had like 500 subscribers to the channel. Incredible resource. that nobody knew about. So why, so like, why would you look, was it recommended? Like, how do you find that person and be like, usually, usually one other thing that I do, usually these people,
especially when it's like new creators, they tend to have the same usernames across Reddit and YouTube, for example. So sometimes they link their own channels. I always read the comments in this Reddit thread. Sometimes they link to their stuff or sometimes you can tell that they have like a YouTuber.
adjacent username and so i just looked them up and realized oh they also have a channel so that kind of stuff i do all the time um In the post-AI era, there... has really changed in a way that has complemented how I learn about stuff. like these models like Gemini 2.5 Pro or O3 that have web access. And so they're not just hallucinating stuff, they're actually looking up and hitting those websites.
and they're giving you an answer that is grounded on a web result, if for whatever reason my traditional search query on Google cannot get me to those websites, there's a good chance that my natural language query... in an AI you will find that website so this has been great for tutorials this has been great for like finding really niche products like USB 4 cables like that sort of stuff
And I, like I said, I always keep a notes app on the side just to make sure. And I link to the source. Like I always, like I have a few notes in Obsidian with like links to Reddit thread. or previous conversations that I've had with chat GPT, just to make sure that... Something that I learned, I can find again later. And the one thing that I will mention also about bigger topics is I've really taken advantage of... Gemini 2.5 Pro, when I absolutely know nothing about a topic.
that i i feel and this could be like random things that i feel like i know nothing about this uh this is sort of how my brain works i Think about the most possible random thing that I feel like, oh, I don't know anything about this topic. Like, for example, a few weeks ago, I was like, I feel like I've been mentioning PWAs on Connected like a bunch of times, but I've never really done any reading about PWAs. And so a trick that I've learned lately is I will go into Gemini 2.5 Pro.
Ask for deep research query. So the deep research is the one that like takes a bunch of times and comes back to you with like a little Google Doc essay with all the... source citations at the bottom. So what I do is I take that Google Doc. I import it into notebook.lm And at that point, I can either ask questions about the topic.
So like about PWS, I could ask like, okay, tell me like what are the key differences between PWS and Android and iOS and give me the source. And so give me answers with the sources. Or, and I've done this a couple of times and it's... It's been kind of weird, but also useful at the same time. I asked for a deep research about a topic.
I get the Google Doc, put the Google Doc into Notebook LM, and then listen to 20 minutes of the fake podcast that they create, like the audio overview. It's been surprisingly efficient for like learning.
The key details about something in a car drive for 15 minutes or something, it's been very clever and very useful. But I would say... by far the most important combo for me, as always, like this trifecta of Google, Reddit, Wikipedia, as... been like my sort of key workflow for the past you know 20 years that have been online so to speak yeah Okay, so I guess there's also just like a time element, right? And so you prioritize this kind of...
This idea, this like learning idea, like you will just prioritize, like, I want to learn more about this, so I'm just going to take the time and do that. Yeah, I think I've always done that. Like, I've always been a curious person because I get... I think one of the key things that Sylvia and I, we have in common is the fact that we get bored easily with... staying the same or using the same things like We get bored with the status quo of anything.
pretty quickly and regularly and uh it's it's like not to get too philosophical here but like i've always i've always been this way even when i was like in in middle school like i've always been I've always thought that it's a shame not to be a curious person because, you know, the time that you have is limited. So it's kind of boring and it feels like a waste. not to be a curious person and i've always been fascinated um
Silvia's grandfather. He passed away a decade ago, but until he was like 92, he was like still writing books. and browsing the internet and asking questions about stuff. And that person really had an impact on me in terms of like, look at this guy. He's 92 and still learning about stuff. And so I feel like, especially in the past 18 years of my life,
I've always made an effort to be curious and not to settle on knowledge, like especially pre-existing knowledge that I have about something. That doesn't mean... I feel like it doesn't mean not to have any principles. It just means that, you know, it's good for your soul to know as much as you can. And so I do actually set out just a bit of time for myself every night.
browsing reading i do a lot of reading um and just you know going down rabbit holes and more often than not that curiosity and maybe it's just my brain but that curiosity like it creates other ideas you know it's it's like you're browsing about a topic but then somehow you think about something else that you can use for your work or then you can use for your personal life or something so i do do you pick topics or do you just like
I'm going to do some reading and see where I go, or are you like how I want to do? It's a combination of both. I feel like especially with... The fact that I'm not a native English speaker, what I do a lot... Whenever I listen to podcasts or when I read articles, there have been, over the years, many, many cultural references.
that I never fully understood. And so whenever I hear something that I don't understand, like an expression or like a fact or something that like maybe, for example, Americans take, you know, take for granted that everybody understands what it means. Like I just, I just make a note and then I Google it later. And that's usually how it starts. So I think observation is, is the, like just.
Do not let the things that you read or the things that you watch kind of wash over you. Just make a note of the things that like, oh, what's that mean? And make a note of it. And then later when you got 30 minutes for yourself, you just go wild. What about you, Steven? Mine is really similar to Federico's minus the AI part of it. That has not made it into my exploring a new topic workflow. Mainly because I think I would be afraid it would teach me to put glue on people.
You still think that? Okay. It doesn't tell you that anymore. I'm far less optimistic about it than you are. We have swapped places, I think. But it's, yeah, I mean, I think... Reddit, Wikipedia, those are all good things. You know, I mostly thought of this question in a work context. So like I've done a lot of this over the last, you know, year and a half working with underscore, right? Like learning how to.
work on optimizing paywalls and like all sorts of stuff that i'm doing right and having uh those resources online are are really good um For, like, more casual stuff? Like, uh... you know, like everyone else because of the influence of Jason, right? Like I've been, uh, been listening to, uh, episodes of the rest of this history and like learning about, Oh, like what were the causes of world war one? Like I knew kind of vaguely, like someone got shot, but.
Those are the things I think... That story is amazing. Yeah, I think those... Those sorts of things like podcasts and potentially AI could be. a good fit. But yeah, Federica's I think is actually really good. And yeah, with everything on the internet, right? And everything in AI and everything else, like verification is good, right? Like I'm not going to watch just one video about how to rewire my house, you know, going to supplement that in various places.
But having having these resources at our disposal is just like amazing. What this question really made me do was just kind of reflect of how lucky we are to live when we do in terms of this stuff. I could just look up how to replumb a toilet. do it. And that's kind of a miracle. It's amazing. But for you, a lot of the other research you do, it comes from your Dev and Think, right? Yeah.
So you're just going around the internet hoovering up information. And then if you want to sit down and write an article about... I just wrote one about like the processor direct slot in early. There you go. So how does that, how does, how does the research for something like that work? Yeah. So, I mean, the Dev and Think databases, like anytime I come across anything about old computers, basically it gets sucked into there. Having...
you know, having those resources is great. Cause I can like search for, you know, so like the, the PDS thing that I started for five, 12 members, right? Like, sorry, but it's like, what does, what is my dev and think database? have about the processor direct slot. So like search across all these, you know, thousands and thousands of documents and reading them and trying to like.
I really actually really like what Federico said, like, Oh, I came across a term or something I'm not familiar with. Like, okay. Like let's go down that branch. Okay. So like.
pds is talking about okay well it interfaces directly with like the pins of the processor like well what does that actually mean like in terms of how it works compared to something more modern right so you kind of go down that rabbit hole and And then supplement it with web searches and those other things that he mentioned.
Really, my Devonink database is like a very specific version of the internet. Anytime I see a link on social media or come across a blog post or something on the Wayback Machine, it gets saved in there. Just as a, you know, sometimes it is the source, right? Like I'll quote, you know, baby Jason Snell and a Macworld magazine from 1886 or other times I might. Use that to like go search something online that that piques my interest or is something I don't understand.
Yeah, I mean, I just, I feel like I... I'm a curious person, but I don't feel like I have as deep knowledge about things that the two of you do. It's just like a thing. It doesn't really bother me too much in most of the stuff that I do because a lot of the knowledge that I need is like accumulated over time. Right.
A lot of the knowledge that I need to do this job is based upon the fact that I've lived the last 10 years. So it's just like, well, it just happened to me. But if I wanted to learn about something new, I'm just not sure that I have the muscle. And I feel like I could start a project similar to the two of you and just would not get the depth of information. And maybe it's just a personality difference or maybe it's just that I don't.
I don't really have the tools because it's not something I do very much. So it's very interesting. I think that's a good instinct. Like that was part of the reason I wanted to branch out career wise. When the underscore opportunity presented itself, why I jumped on it, it was like... I had that sort of in the back of my head of like have I sort of learned what I'm going to learn in my career?
Is that something like, am I okay with that? Am I not okay with that? Like, it really was a point to examine. So I think that's a good sort of reflective process to undertake. And I would say, don't sell yourself short. Like, yeah. It is much harder to learn. here knocking on the age of 40 than it was when I was 20.
Right. Like I had to take a big exam a couple of years ago for something non-work related. And it was really hard to study. Like it was just hard to memorize and like do the thing that I used to do all the time in school. but I can still do it. And I still have those muscles. And the more that I use them, the kind of easier it is to keep using them. So I think this is a really, really great topic and something that I think.
important to think about as we all get a little bit older. Yeah, and I think it's something I'm going to keep coming back to a little bit because I'm on a little bit of a personal journey. Yeah. Yeah. And I really think there's never been a better time to learn about anything when you consider just like the devices that you have, just the many, many search tools that you have on the Internet.
how you can use AI as an assistant for this sort of stuff. I really feel like... I would be so curious to see how I would be a student today compared to when I was in school 20 years ago. You know, and I really think it's... I also think it's important to say that it's... Like, you are a curious person. I feel like maybe what you're looking for is a little bit more of a practice, you know, when it comes to reading or taking notes or whatever. And, you know, just...
just use whatever you want. I think you mentioned you were using Readwise Reader. That's an excellent way to like... You know, save a bunch of articles about like being a father or something and highlight that stuff. And now you can use that. They have that feature on the web where you can search your highlights with natural language.
And so you can do, hey, have I ever highlighted anything about X topic? You know? Yeah. You don't need to build a complex system, I guess is what I'm trying to say. No, and read-wise is definitely like... something that I think is going to be key for me. I like how easy it is. I like the tagging and I like the highlights. I think that the kind of the set of features it has is really good. The thing that is just I keep stumbling on.
where do I find the things to put in it? It's like, where do they come from? And again, I feel like I'm slowly getting there, but it's difficult. I mean, one of the areas I'm trying to learn more about is just design, right? Like industrial design. It's difficult. I'm finding it difficult to find resources that speak to me. Like, you know, I'm trying to find, like... Who are the Federicos and Stevens and Jasons in this world?
And it's difficult. It actually might not exist in the very specific area that I'm looking at. And I'm, like, poking around and I'm trying to find these, like, voices of people, you know, that make sense to me. But it's tricky. Yeah. Especially on the web where like so much stuff is locked up in video, you know, like that's the thing that Google's got to solve with YouTube. It needs to be much easier to search for things. I really do think that for that kind of...
Like subjective. Like you're trying to find sources by comparing... I really do think that you should give these new AI tools a try, like this deep research. I've been working with an OpenAI deep research query to do this.
and it's been okay so far um but i'm still kind of like every couple of days whatever i'm plugging away at it and being like no i'm looking for this kind of thing or more of that less of that like i have found it to be that system to be better at trying to dig these things up but
I haven't yet really stumbled on what I'm looking for. And this might be one of those things where I might not be asking the question right, you know, because it's giving me answers, but the result of them is not necessarily what. It's not really speaking to me, you know? But it might just be that...
You're right, like I'm trying to overlay something onto something else and maybe I need to kind of like start back at foundation and move on from there. Like you were saying about, you know, so much of the web is in video. I also think... Another problem is so much of the web is behind paywalls, which makes it very hard to... I have no problem paying for content.
But I like to try and know that it's the content I want before I pay for it. Yeah, for sure. And not all websites really seem to get that. It's just like, no, you would just pay. It's like, yeah, but I'm coming here for the first time. Like I need you to kind of, let's work together on this a little bit, you know? I mean, Mike, that's why Connected Pro is such a great deal because it's just more of this. That's a great point. For $7 a month.
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Fly smarter and way smoother with Turbulence Forecast. Our thanks to Turbulence Forecast for the support of the show and all of Relay. All right, Federico, right before we started recording, you dropped a link on us that Androids may be getting a redesign here in May at I.O. Seems like it. The folks at Android Authority, they posted this article. showing screenshots of what looks to be a pretty big UI overhaul for Android based on hidden settings.
in beta 4 of Android 16, which is currently ongoing. Android 16 is supposed to ship at some point in June, I think. So that would be after I.O. I'm looking at these photos, these side-by-side comparisons of the current Android and the supposedly redesigned Android. And it's funny because part of me thinks that it kind of looks like one of those. Like Samsung skins of Android? Like One UI? What is it called? Yeah, One UI.
It looks, you know, it's a little bit more rounded, obviously inspired by iOS. Is it OnePlus who, like, it's just iOS? OnePlus is just fake iOS. It is. Samsung is like... kinda iOS. Yeah. But at the same time... What's funny is that it seems from these photos that Google is also doing the... sort of blurred background. There's a lot of translucency. Lots of translucencies that are currently rumored for iOS 19. So you can see in these images, you know, the new control center.
or the new notifications, you can see a blurred wallpaper in the background. It would be so funny if Google shows off a version of a redesigned Android with transparency and translucency. you know, like two weeks before WWDC with iOS 19, supposedly doing the same thing. And they've got, I see right at the bottom, icon shape. This is a thing that was rumored for iOS, right? This was a thing that was rumored for iOS. It was also a thing that was rumored for Android. This is not a new rumor.
I saw a report about icon shapes a few months ago. This was actually a feature icon shapes in Android 11, I think. And they took it away again. And a lot of Android launchers have it. Like if you install your own home screen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, the more you look at these images, the more... the more you realize truly how much ios and android are similar to each other at this point
Like you look at settings, you look at the icon customization screen or the wallpaper customization screen, control center, notifications. And sure, there are implementation details that are different between them.
But my God, are they similar to each other at this point? I like the new look of the settings because I've been using my Pixel Fold. Yeah. The Android Settings app is like... are so hard to pass like yeah because it's like a list of stuff it's a list of a lot of text yeah it's really it's a very strange ui android settings like because
it's not always immediately obvious that something is actually something you tap on. Like you think Apple's bad, right? With like, that's not a button. Like some things in Android, it's just like, there is just text. Like it's just a list. It's just like a paragraph and you just got to work out whether you can tap on it or not. It's quite peculiar. The funniest thing about Android for me is that on so many different Android versions...
If you want to enable like hidden or developer settings, you need to go into the settings about info page and tap five times. build number of android yep uh and that's wild imagine if apple let you do that let you do that like just go there and tap five times on the build number but that's like so cool to android though right that like that weirdness, like the fact that even this, right, which is that...
The new UI is hidden in the beta. This is such a Google thing to do to me. It's just like it's in there. You just got to find it. But it's in there. I find it very funny. so we'll see you know they could do they could do the funniest thing ever uh at io with the redesign android and yeah you know ios they and you mentioned mike before the call like they've done this before right yeah
There was the, yeah, the thing that I mentioned is like screen time, right? Yes. Google calls digital well-being and Apple, I don't, I think they called it that too, but they just kind of stopped using that phrase. But like in Android, it still was all of those settings are just. called that where i think apple over time it's just like this is part of like parental controls and screen time They did that at the same time. There's always been these things which are clear trends.
And it's like, and I expect genuinely a lot of the time is that, what is it called? Like simultaneous invention? Is that the phrase? Yes. Like there is just a... push towards something and it's just funny that they both end up in the same spot yeah yeah because there's just certain things where it's like If all developers are thinking about it, it's not, you know, and just like the lead times for these things of like.
There's a rumor today about Apple. Google can't get that ready for I.O. in two weeks. It's not how it works. They didn't read Mark Gurman in February and be like, oh, snap, we got to redesign. It's funny. Hey, did y'all see Apple has a new webpage? I don't understand what I'm looking. I looked at this and I don't understand what I'm looking. So if you go to snapshot.apple.com. Is this just a grid of famous people? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And you click on one of them. You can't search.
And you can't skim. You just have to wait for Cardi B to slide past you. And then you can click on her. Cardi B, who I definitely know is a real person. That's a throwback. And then you click on them, and it's just a list of what they've done and how to get to it on Apple Music Podcasts and TV. The page title is Snapshot on Apple. I don't know what that means at all. Your favorite at a glance. Do you guys remember meet me at Apple? Meet me at Apple. Meet me at Apple. Meet me at Apple.
Okay, so this is like a Craigslist for celebrities. Like, you just go here, you know, I'm going to click on Drake. I just love the selection. We have Cate Blanchett, Cardi B, Lionel Messi, Coldplay, Beyonce, Stephen Curry, Steph Curry. Coldplay is my father. It's a very... This to me feels like the thing that Tim Cook wanted to show off to his nephew at Thanksgiving. He's like, hey.
Look at all the people that have worked with Uncle Tim's company over the years. Discover more about the artists, actors and athletes. you love across Apple. This would make sense to me if this was just an Apple TV thing, right? Yeah, no, but like I clicked on Jennifer Aniston and, you know, I got The Morning Show, obviously, but also Friends. Yeah. Did you know that Jennifer Aniston was in Friends?
I didn't know that actually. I thought she was just on the morning show. Did you know that she's been on three podcast episodes that you can find on Apple Podcasts? Just three. Just three. Well, these are the three episodes that are featured on one from 2020 and the other two from 2022. Well, she hasn't been on any podcast over the past four years, it seems. This is obviously connected to something, right?
This isn't just like a thing that now all of a sudden lives on Apple's website. Right? I don't know, man. There's obviously like another thing that this ties into. My assumption is this is something to do with Apple TV. That's my guess, is that this is an Apple TV feature and I don't know what that means. Maybe it is a... they did that thing. What do they call it for Apple TV? Like, it's like the x-ray thing that Amazon has. Yeah. Right? And if it's... What was that, Stephen? Is it Insight?
I think so. I could imagine that this is just, this is like an expansion of that, which maybe is trying to... stretch outside of just Apple TV content and like, but these things need to have just like some kind of web backend and this is the web backend or something like that. I don't know. And like, oh, this is the front end of that.
just existing on the web. It's weird. I don't know, because it's very... Why is this here? How was it even found? How was this a thing that people know about? Do you know? I just saw it reported, so I don't know if Apple sent... Someone PR emailed, like, look what we did! Or someone stumbled across it. Here we go. Spotted by 9 to 5 max. this is from Ryan that launched a new page on the website which means that like this is just one of these things where like a bunch of sites like 9to5MacRumors
They're doing something to just see, like, is there a new subdomain all the time, right, is my assumption. And I'm sure they have some kind of thing that just, like, alerts them when something... Casey's app is fine. Although, Casey, I recommend that you also should just make Coresheets UI just a very... slow scrolling list of things with no search you just have to wait for your favorite movie to come by and you just hope you just you hope that maybe it's the I don't know
Some classic movie. Did you guys know that Post Malone is an American recording artist? Whoa. Did you know that? You know, I'm happy to know. Federico, have you seen... Have you seen the thing that he did on SNL 50 where he sang Smells Like Teen Spirit with the rest of Nirvana? No, I haven't. You have to look this up. It's incredible. He sounds...
so much like... Oh my God, why is his name going on my head? This is terrible. Kurt Cobain? Kurt Cobain, thank you. He sounds so much like Kurt Cobain. It's a very, very impressive performance. Yeah, I mean, I... I ironically love Boss Malone, so I will find that. You'll like this. It was quite surprising. Yeah. Oh man, I actually, I actually loved the latest country album by Posty. Everyone's doing country, man. Yeah. Everybody's doing country, you know? Thanks, Steven.
Why is that on me? You're the closest to it. I don't like country music. That's why you exported from Memphis, right? I mean, it's country music and Elvis. The most time that I will hear country music in a calendar year is when I'm in. Yeah. I mean, I think our export is like blues and rock, but that's fine. And you obviously on the internet. And me, obviously. Yeah.
Okay. I need to tell you something. Okay. Last week, people will remember that you, speaking of simultaneous invention, you both came clean. about using a pixel fold as a secondary. And I just sort of sat here quietly. Just listening, absorbing. Okay. As you do. As you do. Holding court, really. Okay. I too... have been experimenting with a personal phone work phone. Oh my God. Not a, not a pixel fold. It's a, it's an iPhone 15 pro that technically belongs to underscore.
Well, that's a work phone. It's a work phone. Yeah. Unless you've made that one your personal phone. No, no, no, no. My 16 Pro is a personal phone. This is still very early. It's only been a couple of weeks. But what I've done is taken... What does the fox say? That's the other song. That's the cowboy in the sky. Ah, yes, yes. Take in work apps. So Slack, Discord, work email account.
And taken them off my personal phone and shuffled them over to this iPhone 15 Pro that I have. Okay. And so my personal phone, I'll talk about safety nets in a second. All right. I want me to come back to safety nets. Um, but it means like on Sunday, like we were just doing family stuff and like my work phone was just like,
On the kitchen counter. I just didn't look at it. And, you know, couldn't it be distracted by Discord? No, there's no social media apps on my personal phone. They are on my work phone. what about instagram it's off my personal phone now too wow Appreciate that. That's, that's, that's big respect. So, um, cause I had the realization, so several things happened. Um, I spent, you know, a few weeks ago we were at St. Jude with, uh, Casey and Brad and.
Kathy and Jason in sort of preparation for the fall with an event that they do for creators. Like a bunch of my friends at ALSAC and St. Jude have worked. company information on them and like, you know. Oh, so it was peer pressure. Okay. Well, so I talked to a couple of people and they were like, no, don't do it. It's a pain in the butt to have two phones. But the idea of like you could just leave it behind and it's not with you was compelling.
And I just had the realization because I work with a lot of British people or people who live in England. Basically, the first thing I do when I pick up my phone in the morning is check Slack because there's relay stuff, there's stuff with David.
It's not, and I don't like that. Like I found myself like responding to things in Slack at 630 in the morning and then basically not being at work for another two hours because I get up, I help take kids to school and my workday basically starts around 830 or 845 after the school. And I just didn't like that. And so I was like, well, you know. This is an experiment worth undertaking. I have this phone for beta purposes anyways, and let's just set it up and see how it goes.
So yeah, that's kind of the state of it right now. I'm happy to answer any questions. And I do want to talk about safety. Yeah, let's talk about safety nets. Okay. Let's talk about them now. So... So again, let's refer back to our friends at St. Jude and LSAC, right? A lot of them, I don't actually have their personal phone numbers. I have their work phone number, right? Because our relationship is within a work context.
And that's not true for all of them, but it's true for many of them. And it means that, you know... I'm sort of siloed in their lives as a work person. And that's how it should be, right? That division is good. That's difficult for me for a couple of reasons. One, I don't have a nine to five job, right? Like I am the co-founder of Relay along with Mike. I basically work my own hours and my own days as I want. And that's a huge, like.
awesome, incredible thing I get to do. But the downside is if you can work anytime, you end up working all the time. So that's sort of like point one is like, I don't have clearly defined work hours normally, even though I try to end my day at 530, you know, stuff happens. For instance, our developer who works on our CMS at Relay.
He works extremely part time for us. He's a freelancer for us. And that means his availability is only in the evenings. Right. So like if Ben is going to be working on something, I got to be around. So that's kind of point one. Point two is everyone I work with already has my personal phone number. And so I am not going to go to 45 people at Relay or whatever and be like, here's a new phone number.
Don't contact me on my personal phone. Like, I'm not going to do that. Can you imagine? Stop texting me. So that's coupled with the fact that all of us, or most of us, at Relay, we're pretty disciplined that work happens in Slack and like personal conversations happen in messages. Now that's not a hundred percent, but I would say that's probably eight.
true right like if like if carrie has something she needs to run by me for an advertisement for mpu or connected she's not going to text me she's going to send it in slack and i'll see it when i see it and i deal with it So instead of this being a negative, I'm viewing it as a positive. I'm viewing it as if I don't have discord or slack on my personal phone and like something really hits the fan. It's always been with people I work the closest, the closeliest with.
text me, right? Like if something is, you really need me and I'm not on Slack. you can text me. And so that is my safety net here of like not having these apps on my personal phone to say that I leave the work phone at home and we go out somewhere.
If something really hits the fan and I need to know about it, that's still possible. And so far, I feel like that's actually a pretty decent balance for... my world the way that i work and and you know 10 years of history of being independent like all these things that are already true in my life that Having my personal phone with me all the time and people having that number is actually a good thing in those cases where, you know.
I published an episode of connected and we forgot an ad and Carrie's trying to get ahold of me to fix it. Like I need to know about that. That's that's on the list of emergencies within relay. That's really high. And she can break that glass in case of. Does that make sense? So is Slack on your personal phone or all? So Slack currently is on the personal phone with no notification. And that's a stepping stone, and it's not going to last. It is going to come off at some point.
Okay, cool. This is good that you said that because I would like to take Slack off my personal phone, but I don't feel like I can... I just don't naturally assume that I can do that. But if you're going to do it, then I can do it too. I do it because people can text me if there's something serious, and I just don't know where your boundaries are with that.
But it's the same, though. People can always text me if I want to see it. But I also have been doing a lot of reflecting. I actually just don't think things are really, ever really... that serious like i just don't very rarely it's so rare that i don't know if it's something that needs to to be like that prepared for, you know? So part of this, like the reflection angle of it...
I didn't really realize this until yesterday when I kind of sat down. I was like thinking through, I took some notes separately from the notion just for myself in this conversation. But what I've realized is this experiment. is a, maybe not direct, but it is a result, it's a byproduct of my sabbatical in October. which is now like six months ago or something, which is hard to believe, in that what I learned in that sabbatical is that...
Things that feel important or really were important in the earlier days of our company are far less frequent now. are handled by other members of the team now right like part of me was still stuck in this company just the two of us and like i need to know everything that's going on all the time
And the truth is, and the truth has been for years, that's just not true because we have an amazing team, because we have lots of people working on lots of things. And that I could be... less involved in the day-to-day
uh, okay, this is not retirement, right? It was like, I didn't need to be hyper aware of everything happening in Slack all the time. Like I had been in the early days. And honestly, maybe that wasn't even true in the early days, but that's how we operated. And so this feels like, uh, sort of a response to some of that. And I think it was, I think it was highlighted again on your paternity break, right? You were out for two months and. It was fine, right?
Yeah, I think we said this. On my sabbatical, there was one time where you needed me, and it was because the website was down and you tried everything you knew to do, right? There will always be those sorts of things just because we are a small company.
right and that was even something you couldn't fix yeah but then i was like hey ben and ben our developer he knew i was on sabbatical was like hey i'm still on break but can you look at this and he jumped on it and it was fine right um i just needed to be a conduit for that and And so it's really kind of had me rethinking some of those things and my general availability.
So I think it's good that you were thinking about it. And Federico, I want to hear from you too, because you and John, like Max Stories, I think, you know, from sort of my point of view of like not working for Max Stories, but being really close with y'all. and seeing how it works on the inside. It seems to me that y'all are in sort of the same space Relay is, where like it was just you and John sort of primarily for a long time.
but now y'all have a team like you have other people just like working on things um how do you feel about this in your own experimentation and stuff And it'll probably be unpopular with the listeners. uh but it's i'm sorry just who i am uh i don't have any boundaries never have um when i when uh when i get like unless it's If there are emergencies, we have plans in place, like text our developer, text one of our two developers. Obviously, if it's something really urgent, John can call me.
is why i've never been that into like focus modes or custom notifications like if something comes in and i'm busy doing something else i just ignore it i'll get back to it eventually and i think you know it just You know, I got a text from a person a few hours ago. I still haven't replied. I will tonight, just I was busy doing something else. Well, that actually makes it sound like you do have that.
They're your boundaries. You're going to do it on your own time. I guess they're just in my mind. They're not separate by any software or hardware. So I have never really particularly minded like, oh, I'm getting work-related notifications. when I'm on vacation, I like to know that the site is still going, that things are happening. And if I'm on vacation and something major happens... I want to know about it. Like, that's just how my brain works. You know, I don't, I don't.
Personally, I don't really buy the whole, like, you know, I'm going on sabbatical thing. I don't want to know anything. Like, I want to know it. I want to know it.
you know i want to be i'm kind of like plugged in all the time so but then i don't act upon it that's the difference like i'm not sitting down and getting work done you know um but i want to know so uh and maybe that'll change in my life at some point still hasn't in 16 years that i've been doing this this racket um but yeah yeah this is how i do it
I think it takes something that will make you, like I felt that same as you and then I was off for two months and was like, you know what, actually I don't need to live my life the way I lived it before. The key thing for me that I keep coming back to of like just like the simple thing of like trying to think of. finding this separation, is I want to go to work. I do not want work to keep coming to me.
Like in regular jobs, people go to work, right? Yeah. Hopefully, right? That's the plan. No, but like I think that lines get blurred a lot more now and actually people that work. for other people live their lives a little bit more like people who work for themselves i think that's 100 true yeah where and that i i find to be just like it's like i find that disappointing because you're you're not
people do not get the benefits of working for themselves and they get the downsides of working for themselves. But I find that it's a shame. I think it's a shame about a lot of modern working culture. And so I'm just trying to get to a point where...
Finding my comfort level, like what am I... okay with what am I not okay with but like keeping this guiding principle How do I get better at working when I'm in an environment where I'm like I'm sitting down to work rather than just like doing little work things all the time at any time? And that's where it's like the physical device separation is helpful.
as well as some emotional separation. And I would say the work device is helping now. Sometimes I'm hanging out, but then the baby's sleeping on me, and I'm not going to move for like 20 minutes. I was like, what could I do with this time? And it's like, I have my phone in my hand. I could. get my other phone and open Blue Sky, and I'm like...
getting the other phone is like, now I've given myself that step of like, do you really wanna? And so like the last couple of weekends, I've just not been checking social media. Because the phone is often in my bag. So I'm just going to leave it there. And just having that secondary step is just nice. I'm focusing on different things.
And it comes back to the other thing that I was asking you about earlier, right? Which is like, well, if I do have that little bit of time, something I could fill it with is like bettering myself in some way, learning. doing things that are more my own choice rather than the choice of other people, not even just algorithms. like other people like filling my mind with the things that they're thinking about like I would like to fill my mind with things
Stephen, I have a couple more questions for you. Okay. What is the notification situation for this device? So I actually had a brainwave and actually migrated my phone to this one. So it inherited all my previous settings. The only mail notifications to the lock screen are VIPs, right? The mail badge goes up, but only VIPs get actually like a notification.
But like this device gets notifications. It does. Essentially what I'm asking. So like you've got it on your desk or whatever and it's buzzing. But it's not connected to your Apple Watch, right? It is not connected to my Apple Watch. So my Apple Watch notifications have fallen off greatly. Interesting. And this phone where does it go? So it's so like, for instance, yesterday I had a doctor's appointment like kind of midday. I took it with me because like it's work hours.
you know, someone, you know, I'm, I'm around, I'm just kind of like in a waiting room and then like seeing a doctor and then like, you know, so it was with me. Um, but in the evenings I've been plugging it in, in the kitchen. So if something, you know, I can check in if I want to, but. It's not, it's not like I, I know some people don't like this. I do charge my phone on my nightstand.
It's not coming in the room, bedroom. Like it's not charging on my nightstand. It is in the kitchen. Uh, if I'm at home and I can, I can pick it up and check it if I want to. Um, and if I don't, then it just. And it has a cellular plan? It does. I put a T-Mobile like just the cheapest. T-Mobile plan. I did the same. I keep getting text and I actually turned off FaceTime because I kept getting calls.
I think whoever had this number for me, their friends think they're dead. Like, it's like, where are you? Like, are we hanging out? It's like, I just, so I have messages, notifications off because I don't. I don't need those. I do have iMessage. You should say, yeah, I'll be at the spot at 7 p.m. I'll be at the spot. That's terrible. Be at the spot. I do have messages turned on because...
There've been a couple of times like, oh, there's this thing on Blue Sky. I want to share it with, you know, I grouped that with John, but. I just use my phone number for iMessage and not my email. And I do not want to change that. And so it's like. oh, I'm like sending the link to myself and then sharing it. That part is messy and not worked out yet. That is incredibly complicated when you're using other operating systems. Yeah, yeah. I would not want to do this with an Android phone.
Honestly. This has been my biggest sticking point so far. I was like, I see a link and I want to add it to Apple Notes. It's like, well, how are we going to get it? That's why I use Obsidian because it's everywhere.
Yeah, so this has been a thought of mine of, like, I'm trying to find, like, what is a good way to send this up? I'm thinking, oh, maybe I just put these links in Readwise and put a special tag on them and, like, remember to check Readwise when I'm doing my show prep to grab all the links. Oh, by the way, I guess... Juggling iOS and Android at the same time. Did I ever tell you guys that I've been texting you on iMessage from Android for the past like three months?
Oh, my God. Are you using Beeper or something? One of those things? I'm using Blue Bubbles. Blue Bubbles. I've never heard of it. Blue Bubbles. One of the reasons for the Mac Mini server. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. I don't think I want to do that, but it would help a lot of stuff. It's very convenient. You will notice when a text from me is coming from Android when I'm sending you a link and the link bubble doesn't expand. So it's not doing the like rich expansion thing? Yeah, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I'm scrolling back in our group thread. There are definitely some examples of this. Yeah, see, see? Yeah, that's coming from Android. Yeah, click to load preview. That's really funny. um yeah i i do have both i mean the the work phone is signed into my my iCloud account because like i do want like
A lot of what I've done in the last couple of weeks is like screenshots for stuff. It's like, that's really helpful if it's just in my photos library. It's like it's sharing an iCloud account, but messages is just on that random T-Mobile phone number that no one has. I can text myself something if I need to or use AirDrop. It did remind me months ago on the show, we talked about this where you can turn off the.
uh my phone gets close to another phone and starts airdropping because if you have two phones that's really annoying oh i have that off on the work phone so it doesn't like try to talk to my other phone like over airdrop all the time But yeah, it's an ongoing process. Same. I think based on the early days of this, I am actually really happy with it. I'm sure it will evolve and change over time, but for now, that's kind of the state of things. Yeah, my kind of...
another week on my takeaway currently is there are a lot of things that would be much easier if I had a second iOS device. Yeah. But also maybe making things a little bit harder is also the point. that's what i haven't i have i'm not settled yet on like what what that means because there's been some stuff that i've resisted so far like slack and stuff like that but i think
I think I'm going to give it a go of taking Slack off my iPhone and just see what happens there. Yeah. This is weird. It's like super weird and maybe it's just like weird to talk about, but it's just like I feel like... we're not a new business it's like an old business now it's like a really old business now and like maybe
Maybe it's okay to like settle into some new ways. And with our newer things that we're both working on, so me and you, that we're still in a stage where we can just kind of like establish how stuff's working. Yeah. And it is maybe that. Not always on worldwide. Do you know what's really wild to me? As I had the thought the other day, assuming the rest of this year goes okay, I will have spent my entire 30s being self-employed. It blew my mind. I don't know why.
Wait, when do you tell Foy? January. No way. Yeah. And this fall or this summer is 10 years of me leaving my job. So I guess that makes it that I'm going to turn 40 pretty soon. It's like a thing that I've not realized. A couple of years. Yeah. No, it's in three years. Yeah, but that's sooner than I want. You know, I'm never going to say that I'm 40. I'll be like 37 or 38 forever. You'd be one of those people. I think I can pull it off.
yeah I can pull it off you could pull it off Yeah, you've got to count backwards and then go up again. Right? No, you gotta keep people confused, you know, with these numbers. yeah like keep going up and down right you know people are like oh it's my 36th birthday just keep doing it forever you're like if you're like oh I'm 38 and then the next year I'm 37 and then I'm 38 again yeah yeah yeah because this now like that that threshold from 36 to 38 nobody keeps track nobody cares
No one knows. Like 36 stereo, whatever. So I'm just going to alternate between those three numbers and whatever. Legitimately, right now, I could not tell you how old I am. I actually don't know. I do not know how old I am. Does anybody know? 38. 37. I'm 37. No, you're 37. You were born in 1988. Yes, I'm 37. Okay. Yeah. And, and look, I get in all these conversations, like I know there are people listening and kind of groaning because they're forced to carry a work phone or like.
Oh, these guys are just like learning how the world works. Like I get it. You know, we, we, I get it. I understand. Yeah, but then they're usually the same people that say, like, these guys are detached from reality. And then we try and come to your reality and you don't want us there either. You know what I mean? So, like, just accept us for who we are. Let us in. Yeah, please. What's wrong with you? Well, I think that does it. What a journey this episode was. We're growing.
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Lots of great stuff going on over at Mac stories. And at some point Federico before WBC, I want to, I just want to put like a flag in the ground of like what you're thinking about a review this year, but maybe, maybe we can do that next week. Because it's coming, baby. It'll be a pretty short answer, but okay. I got to do it. I got to do it. I don't know if you had changes in mind or something. Nah.
I feel like maybe we're having the conversation now real quick. This year it feels like you can't make that decision until WWDC happens because you have no idea what you're in for. Right? No, but I'll do it regardless. No, you're going to do it, but how involved is it going to be? The answer to that question is quite nebulous right now. Because it could be like, hey... It's a redesigned year. And also, hey, now apparently iPadOS is macOS. You know what I mean?
yeah or you know uh it's it's a redesign that changes and you're making screenshots at midnight the night before launch you know oh yeah that's uh Anyways, we saved ourselves a future conversation. Mike hosts many other shows here on Relay. You can check out his work at Cortex Brand. Mike, you've been teasing some new things with Cortex Brand. I'm very excited about it. Yeah, next Tuesday. It's going to be great.
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