I'm good, how are you? I'm good, it's raining, kind of like a dark cool rainy day here, which is fun, but what's more fun is being joined by our very own Ricky Benjamin, Mike Hurley. Hi, I'm Ricky Benjamin, Mike Hurley and I'm here today to try and get you to buy a T-shirt. Would you like to look good for the holidays? Let me tell you, the Relay FM unwrapped the gift of podcasts holiday T-shirt is available once again. What's it going to take to get you in one of these T-shirts today?
Good or really not of them? I will buy one. And you can get one for yourself, or there's also a link in the show notes. Also on this store is a really weird collection of merchandise called Happy merchandise, which is an artist's interpretation of me in a ball pit from the podcast. These are all available to you at Relay. FM slash store. I'm making lots of hand gestures right now to try and invite people to buy, but they can't see them.
What's it going to take? Nothing, just a bit of money. Okay, that's what it's going to take. Go get one for yourself, Stephen, did I do a good job? Pretty good. You know, we'll see all the sales go. Yeah, so far so good. Okay, great. I put your face on a cups and a phone case. I just I went wild the other day. Yeah, well, you know, as I told you, I'll fly a neck that I'll cost a lot of money.
So you've got to try and make it back somehow. I was shocked. It's very expensive. People, if they are members, which you should be, you get connected pro longer at every version of the show each week, one member perk is this membership podcast that you and I do called backstage. And I did the merch live on backstage. And it's pretty funny. Okay, follow up. Mike, tell us about Vision OS 2 and keyboard. So, yeah, it's going on here.
So this is some long time follow up. So we have spent time in the past talking about the Mo Kibo keyboard. Which is the keyboard that you can kind of rub your fingers across the keys and use it as a mouse. We originally called it a sketchy keyboard and got lots of feedback from people who have used it and say that it does work. What is he true for the keyboard truth is out there. What is even further back follow up. This was a post on mastodon by chaos TN who was the person who designed the
3D printed case and also created some of the spec files for how to extract the touch ID button from a magic keyboard and put them into that little case. Thanks. Chaos did that. Anyway, they said after Vision OS 2 enabling mouse support, which was a thing I did not remember it happened. The Mo Kibo fusion seems to work pretty well with the Vision Pro as a multiple keyboard slash occasional trackpad for high precision selection. So, you know, there you go.
I ordered one. Yeah, you did from the sketchy website. Yeah, you have no idea if it's going to actually go to sheep or not. I actually ordered one from their IndieGoGo page, which seemed a bit more legit. The thing is I ordered one from their IndieGoGo profile four days ago and then I got no confirmation whatsoever. Are they even considering shipping the unit? It's on the right now. I got a receipt from IndieGoGo. Yeah, but that was it. That was it.
They have concepts of a plan for shipping that thing to you. Yes, yes, they have that. I don't understand. So with IndieGoGo, you can just buy stuff. Like it's not like. I will, I will let you know if it works. I mean, the answer is we'll say, I guess. In the past, I have used IndieGoGo to. It's weird because it's like you think of it as a Kickstarter, but like it's like a Kickstarter that keeps going after the fact.
So like I have bought and received like an EGPU and a handheld from IndieGoGo from two separate quote unquote campaigns after they were over. So it's like the campaign stays up and you can continue purchasing the item, but it's it's all very unclear to be fair.
IndieGoGo, no offense to IndieGoGo, but like I get like a weird fuck. So why did you not do Kickstarter? You know, like it because I've seen lots of IndieGoGo campaigns for things that have been kicked off of Kickstarter and they go to IndieGoGo. And there's just like a thing of like, oh, why are we here? Like, why did we choose IndieGoGo as the starting point?
I don't know if you guys ever feel that way, but that's kind of how I feel about IndieGoGo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I'll let you know if it ever shows up. We'll see. No clue. But it looks, it looks interesting. And it seems like there's a version two of the Moquibal Fusion, which is what I ordered.
Should be compatible with both Vision OS and iPad OS. So we'll see maybe at some point you'll show up. The next time a follow up that I just read in our document made me I had to really sit and think about as for a second where it kind of felt like I was I mean, we're in like a James Bond movie and someone is trying to get like some documents to us.
It says the marble is still in the van and like, I've worked it out now, but it took it took a minute for me to walk out. Well, this was in reference to it's like the crow flies at night or something. That's right. We spoke about this on what how I spent so much on my sabbatical. We think there was a marble loose somewhere in our minivan that you would only hear every once in a while.
And I put a picture in discord. I took the seats out of the van pulled a bunch of carpet back. I thought I had fixed it. I found this like piece of plastic. I didn't hear it anymore. But my wife, this is a direct copy and paste from I message yesterday Mary texted me and all it said was the marble was still in the van. So I failed.
And honestly, I'm probably going to take another month off just to say you got to go back now you did not complete the sabbatical. Yeah, you got to go back and do it. I know. I don't I mean, the next step is like truly disassembling this vehicle and I just seems like a lot. I'm going to tell you something now. You can do whatever you want with it. You are an incredibly skilled individual. I've seen you do things in like two things and I'm like, wow, how did you do that?
You know, like I've seen you get on a roof like just things that I would not do right or like even doing the car play thing right way like you, you know, you changed the car play thing out. You like change the suspension or whatever. I don't I don't know and please don't take this as a challenge. I don't know how I feel about you disassembling an entire minivan. Like I'm convinced something won't go back together correctly.
Can I say something? Can I say something else? Can I say something else to add on what Mike said? I am by no means a handyman. But I think you're I think you're thinking through this problem the wrong way. I think you disassembled van right? You took out all the seats and whatever. But I think the marble is actually in one of the seats. You've been looking in the van. But I think the marble is inside the seat. Oh, interesting. That's why you were unable to identify the marble.
Have we also considered that maybe there's just a marble in Mary's backpack? Like there's just like there's mobbles in every car. Like what's going on? The marble jumped into your truck. You're never going to get this thing. But yeah, I'm with Federica. Maybe it's not where you it's like it's not where you think it's somewhere else. It's some of the mobbles like mobbles coming from inside the house or you have a potentially dangerous way to test out your theory that the marble is in the van.
I do not advice is but have you tried moving the van without the seats and see if you hear the marble moving around? I mean the concern is or not the concern. The problem is that it's intermittent. And so like we thought it was fixed now for like three weeks. And then it came back. And so I don't I have to drive the van without the seats for a while. And that's right. It's bad. Right. Right. Yeah. Don't do that. Or if you do maybe record a YouTube video for a sponsor while you do that.
Oh my god. He made the joke. We all made it. I messaged. He made it. If you go check your I message now Federica, there's two references to this. I'm not going to. I don't know. This is assembling it further will get complicated. And I already had to like disconnect the battery so I could unplug the airbags from the seats. Like it was already a lot. So we'll see. We made it. Yeah. The mobbles. The mobbles pot the family law now.
Maybe you know. And just where it is. If we sell it at some point in the distant future, it's like hope it's quiet. Just slow just really, really slow. Like on the test drive. Like just very, very slow. Bad news. No. Granny gate. No, no, no. Granny gate. Granny gate. Mobile gate. We're not doing this. This is not a gate. This is a person. No, no. Just stop going on the macramas forums. Someone sent this to us. This is for. Don't care. Who is this? Someone. This is listener. Igmar. Sorry.
I'm listening to Steven with a V. It doesn't matter. Like even if someone sends you a link to the max Mac Ruma's forums, it also counts. Stop going on the macramas forums. It's like people with conspiracy theories hanging out in there. That's all it is. But anyway, please, yes. The MacBook M1 cameras apparently look grainy after the Mac OS 15.1 update. Okay. And I have an M1 in Macbook Air. And I see this. It's weird. It's cool. It's a software processing thing.
Maybe you can spend time on the forums then. I guess. I guess if you have it. Wait, did you notice it before you read about it? I don't ever. I mean, that's on a laptop. I only use verbatis. I'd go get it off the shelf and update it. And I don't really ever use the camera built into any laptop. But there you go. Granny. I'll both fix it. It's probably fixing 15.2. Granny gate. Granny gate.
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Thankfully, they've raised $135,000 over a goal of $10,000, which seems low when I describe this product to you, but definitely like go check out the page. I just opened the oh my god, I need to buy this. Yeah, one of us will. So talk about this. Let's talk three things. It's three things. Okay. A rugged waterproof tablet, a premium portable speaker, and a mobile car play system. These are not three kick starters. It's one kick starter. We call it no mad.
So this thing is incredible. It's this Android tablet that supports car play and Android Auto. Supports AirPlay has Bluetooth and headphone jack out. Lots of mounting options. It's waterproof. Basically, it's a take it anywhere, including the shower, car play, air play, speaker thing. And I kind of love it. What they are. Federico, if you haven't seen this, you have to watch the video with sound later because it's hilarious. Like the guy doing the video.
This is if anything, this is a this is a fantastic kick start to campaign from like a video perspective. Like the marketing of this product is very good. And like what they're going for, which I appreciate is like this is the portable TV, right? That you know, like from when we were kids. Yeah, people have like portable TVs. Like that's what they're going for here. Now, Steven, you are famed, car play, enthusiast. Yes. How are they doing this?
So you can there's a bunch of Android tablets you can get. And you see this a lot in like aftermarket stereo stuff and cars, like you buy these things off AliExpress or Amazon or something. There's huge Android tablets and they are they run car play or like they can receive car play because if you remember, all the brains of car play happening on your phone. Basically, the screen just has to be the right kind of receiver for that.
That signal. And this is not something that app as far as I know that Apple has to approve. Cause certainly they would not approve like a 17 inch Android tablet. You can slap in your in your F150. But the airplane stuff, you know, it's like people have built these packages to run on top of Android. And so this thing is an Android tablet that can do a bunch of these different things. One of the things it can do is accept car play.
Because like, is an Apple involved in car play like, is there no like blessing of this? I don't there may be or there may have been, but it seems like I couldn't find a lot of information on this, but it does seem like either there's not anymore or people have figured out how to do it themselves. Which that doesn't, it doesn't strike me with confidence that this is a product that will work forever is one is kind of what I'm saying. Yeah, maybe.
Like, cause I don't know. I just don't know about about like, for example, there are a bunch of headphones that you can buy that are fake air pods that when you try to pair them, somebody is somehow re-engineered the air pod's pairing thing. And it will show that. Right. Like, this has been a thing forever. There's been a bunch of YouTube videos about this. You know, people have done this.
And so like, there are always walk arounds, but every time there's a new version of iOS like is this going to, going to jam up. But anyway, it is a very interesting product because you say it is an Android tablet heart. So you can run Android apps on it and you can run car play on it. And it is fully waterproof. It say, so it's a screen. So you can watch things on it.
It's got speakers. It's got a bunch of attachments that you can, you know, you can, it's got a stand, you can strap it to things. It has a shower mount. It has a battery that attaches magnetically has a cup holder. It's a very, I think a very well for out clever product. Now, you know, how does it actually run? You know, I was digging through some of the comments today. The actual like, hardware, the thing like it's going to be, it's going to be a little rough.
So got Android 13. It's running a Qualcomm 662 processor, which I think Federico crimp me from wrong. It's like low up howard than a bunch of people like gaming. So like there are ways to maybe make this thing a little bit, you know, better, but it may also just do the job of like you want to listen to things or watch YouTube videos in the shower.
I get, you know, like it's, it's a clever product. Like, you know, I think that they've, they've developed something really interesting. I just, there's a couple things. I wonder how's it going to work. They said they're going to deliver this in February. Like that feels like the, the kickstart a mistake. Like I don't, you know, of like over promising and it being delivered very light.
Then that just happens to everyone, you know, sure. So yeah, it's an interesting idea and interesting campaign. Stephen, are you going to get one? So I was interested in it because like yeah, car play in the shower. It'd be great. So I have a Bluetooth like some waterproof speaker in the shower and listen to podcasts and music in the shower, but like your phones like in the bathroom and you're like yelling at Siri and it's not ideal.
And so I showed this to Mary's like, look how cool this is. And she had such a visceral reaction to this. The only other time I've really seen this sort of reaction from her was when I stalled into the house wearing the vision pro. And she was like, no, no, like you're not wearing this in the house.
She's like, you cannot have a screen in the shower. I was like, well, it's not like a camera. Like I think I was like, it's not like a not like I have a iPad in there. She's like, no, like that's too much like interesting. Very visceral reaction to it. And she doesn't mind the Bluetooth speaker like she uses it too. But something about this she did not love.
So probably not soon to put my household near sata, but this feels like they made it for you. This feels like the like an end point to a thing we've been talking about for ages. Yeah. And maybe, you know, maybe I could build my own. So in, in googling quietly in the background, I'm not going to link to it because I know it should actually buy this.
And then they say $40 USB dongle that is like injects car play into an Android tablet and in the description is a URL to download an APK to run on the Android tablet. Yes. And the URL is not an actual domain name. It's an IP address like in the Amazon description. So yes. I did not put that in a browser like I do not. Nothing to do with that on my network. But yeah, I mean, it is it is for me that you're like, I won't buy this because my wife said I can't but I might make my own.
I'm not 100% sure how we get to that like that either probably, but you know, it'd be a project. It's the same thing. It's why you're doing the same thing. You're just like hiding it like which is worse, right? Yes, secret car play shower tablet is worse. Yeah, it's worse than just buying the car play shower tablet.
That's true. I respect this. I respect this project. You know, the video is really good. Like, even if you're not interested in it, the videos a couple minutes long, they did a great job on it. It's really like it's funny and engaging and that it is it's good. It the video made me go from I have no use to this to I want this. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not going to buy it because I don't I don't want it that bad. But like the video is good enough that it made me want.
I'm intrigued to see how this project unfolds. I'll we keep it and I own it. That's for sure. I think it's just interesting that it's it's car play beyond sort of the normal places we think of car play being like you could see and we're going to talk about the Mark Gurman thing later on like something like car play could be useful in other rounds. I don't know. It's pretty cool. Mike, tell us about Apple's new book.
Oh, I mean Apple, a work in with gasoline to make a book which is $450, which is very normal for us, and books that's like what they do. They make very expensive books. I respect that this book comes in a clear case and it looks like a cassette or like a CD. I think they've done. They might art books and they make expensive coffee table books.
And you think to yourself, OK, they're having another shot at the designing California or whatever. Yeah, let's go. Stephen has. But no, it is a book. That is the one. It is a physical representation of the 100 best albums list that Apple music put together a little while ago, which is bad.
I'm going to read from Christina Warren, friend of the show, a master, and on. Yeah, says. The price isn't what's making me love. It's that it's for Apple's truly unhinged 100 albums of all time list. It's not a good list. The list is very, very bad. I cannot imagine making such a beautiful book for such a terrible list, which I agree with wholeheartedly.
Yep. Good. It's better. You know, our lists and it's all subjective. You know, like people are just making their lists and stuff like whatever, but like list ain't great. You know, like. No, but I think unhinged describes the vibe of that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. As a reminder, as a reminder, and this is no disrespect to Lauren Hill.
But the best album of all time is the miseducation of Lauren Hill, followed up by thriller and Abbey Road. Now I'm an MPurple, right? I'm sorry. I'm sorry, but it's not accurate information. I don't know how a group of people came together and did this. Yeah, I think I think I had this conversation with you or Don or you and John together at the time.
My opinion is I, I've always thought that it was going to be either thriller or Abbey Road. But any figure like just my personal opinion, if you go by influence on the music market on just the style of music production, just influence on people in general, like it should have been thriller. In my opinion, but the whole top 10 is truly kind of unhinged, sort of like give us give us a me the vibe of like, hey, let's let's just be different for different sake.
Like I cannot believe that rumors by fleet were magged not make the top 10. Yep. That I think I think rumors by fleet were mac as the best album ever made. That's my pick. Like it's not my favorite. I think it is the best collection of music ever put together. Like I think it is an untouchable album. No, this respect to Frank Ocean, but like Frank Ocean higher than Prince. Yeah, no, I just think there's something like that. Like like,
well Frank Ocean is just behind Prince. Frank Ocean was four, but like Frank Ocean ahead of songs in the key of life by Stevie Wonder. I don't understand it. Like I feel like an album released in 2016. We haven't had enough time from it. You know, like anyway, the list is wild. And it is actually kind of very fitting that they've put it in a $450 book. But like it is a, you know, and it's, you know, I'm sure that the book does a much better, does like an interesting job of explaining.
And I think it's a little bit more editorial in it too. But yeah, I, the list is wild. The book is expensive. I respect Apple. Putting like making books. I think they should do more of this stuff. Because like why not? Like, but this one is all is is it truly. Yes, continuing the unhinged nature of their book releases, right? Yeah. Yeah. Where the first one was unhinged just because of the fact that it existed. Like that was unhinged.
And now they have continued it by putting this list into a book. Designed by Apple in California was a couple hundred bucks. When it was released, I think I guess I 300, wasn't it? Yeah. And you can now only pay they go for over a thousand dollars a copy. Given the vibe, given the vibe of this list, this book should have been 420, not 450. Yeah, absolutely. There's a new iOS 18.2 beta that we can discuss 18.2 beta 3.
Apple keeps rolling with this 18.2 beta for a rumored release date in now seems of the week of December 9th according to Mac rumors and some information they received from the e-carrier in the UK. I want to say it seems like that's going to be the launch week for 18.2. So Apple basically shooting to have 18.2 and more Apple intelligence features out before Christmas and the holiday break.
There are some changes in beta 3 as well. There's the new ability for cameras, couple of things for camera control really. There's the previously announced ability to lock auto exposure and auto focus with camera control with the light press. I think you tried this. I tried this. Yes, I tried this. I continue to be what's a good word in English mystified by camera control.
Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing. Like honestly, I enabled this and I was like, OK, it's one more thing that I need to learn and I tried it for a couple of days. Basically never used it and went back to my simple, you know, just press the button to open the camera and press it again to take a photo. So the way it works is when you open camera control, you light press you like light press and hold and then it will lock the focus and exposure on what is in the center of the frame.
And it will keep that lock until you let go or take the photo. If you remove it, then it gets rid of the lock again, which is like, OK, this is not the way anybody expected this. What we expected was this to work like a camera works and they didn't really do that. They kind of did. I don't know. Maybe they kind of did. Stephen did they do this. I don't know. Nevertheless, it's weird. But they did have thing that I do like, which is there is a new option for require screen on.
Yeah. So I turned that off, which now means that I can just press the camera control button and it always opens the camera. I don't need to have to screen awake first. I think that is a good feature of making it more natural. I will say, I am, I am a camera control user. That is how I open the camera and it's how I take photos now. I have internalized it. It works for me. Absolutely.
But everything else, I don't really do it. I do leave it on the switching of cameras. That to me is the only thing I ever want to use it for. It's just to swipe to switch from like the one extra to extra five X and the selfie camera. I think that is like a great fit for a feature and that kind of is it for me. My take is that the camera control settings are better than camera control itself. Yeah. They got lots of options, right?
But they're scattered. They're scattered across the settings app and a bunch of different places. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them are in display, some of them are in camera. I mean, but that's I guess kind of fitting for the complexity of camera control. Right. Complex feature complex settings to find. That's what they say. There's no ability to share an air tag with selected airlines to locate your luggage. Yes. And I think Mike, you have thoughts about this.
Yeah. So the way this works is you like how there is the new sharing of items, right, in the in Find My. This will allow you and there's a bunch of airlines that have opted in or you can choose to share it with an individual for a set period of time.
So essentially, if your bag is lost and you have an air tag, you can go to the baggage counter and share that information with the person and they can then I guess more easily find your bag because I don't know if you've ever had this happened to you, you arrive at the airport and they're like and your bag doesn't come out of the baggage car. So and it's always like this could take up to an hour to get your bag.
And I think part of it is finding your bag is complicated, even though it's in the system because lots of bags maybe this will help that. I just had this happen to me when I was on my way home from the podcastathon, I was going through Chicago and I was I wasn't flying the same day. For some reason, the airline took it upon themselves to check my bag to my flight the next day. Now, this was not a thing I wanted nor was it a thing I asked for or anybody told me they would do.
And when I went to the and spoke to the person at the check and like at the desk, they were like, yeah, they shouldn't really have done that. It was like, great, can I get my bag please? And they were like, yeah, but it could take like an hour and they're like, all right, well, I'll guess I'll wait for my bag. So like, and I was like, where will it be? And they're like, oh, do you see that baggage carousel? Like they have like a specific baggage carousel? Like it will come out here.
And I'm like, okay, so like 20 minutes pass. And then like, they said they know my bag is like there to go retrieve it and like bring it 20 minutes pass and open find my. And it's on the original baggage carousel just going around. So like they didn't deliver it to the correct place. Now, if I wouldn't have had an air tag on my suitcase, I don't even know how long it would have taken for me to find that bag.
Because like, at some point it would have gone back into the system again because nobody picked it up. So like air tags are great, but it would have been way easier for me if I would have been able to say, hey, I have an air tag and then share it with the person I'm expecting that could have sold things, but nevertheless, this is just an endorsement from from me to you.
Put air tags in your suitcase and my extra tip for this is one air tag on the outside one air tag on the inside. That's what I do with my suitcase because air tag on the outside is good for indicating to so many if your bag is lost that the bag can be located right. That's why it's therefore you can someone can scan it with their phone and contact you that way. But then the air tag has the opportunity to fall off or be broken.
So I also put one on the inside, which is for me for finding it in case something like that happens. So that's my top tip for attacks and so can I ever tell you the story of something I did a couple of years ago where I remotely rescued a dog on Instagram. By teaching a famous Italian influencer how to scan an air tag. Absolutely not you did not tell us that. Okay, this is something I did. So I followed this influencer. She's very popular in Italy. She's also a TV host.
She posted the story a couple of years back in the summer. She was a on vacation. Some more fancy in Italy, I want to say, Serrini probably she posted the story of this real cute dog. And in the story she wrote help we found this dog. She has a I believe was a yeah, she has a collar and there's an air tag. What do we do? It's like a public story with this photo of this dog with a collar and an air tag.
And so I was like my you know my apple nerdeness kicked in immediately. I was like, you know what? This influencers they never look at messages, but maybe in this case, you know, there's a there's a dog involved and maybe this is my moment. And so it's like I replied via DM. I mind you. This is like an influencer with two million followers. Okay. And I have like what eight thousand. Don't say yourself. That already come. Yeah. Well, whatever. So anyway, I replied. I was like, okay.
So what you need to do is bring your phone close to the air tag. And if it's in lost mode in theory, it should prompt you with the notification to open safari. And in safari, it'll give you a web page with a phone number of the owner that you can call and sure enough, it worked. And she replied. She replied. It's just like, thank you so much. We're gonna try this. And so I was like, okay, that was it. It was like my moment with an influencer who replied to me.
And and she actually followed up a few minutes later with a picture of the dog says like, thank you so much. I was able to call the owner. He just rescue the dog. Everything's okay. Thank you very much. It's like, oh, that's you know my skills were useful for one life. You know, one dog at a time. Sure. Yeah. And one influencer at a time. Sure. Yeah. Anyway, tags. They're tags. They're good. Yeah.
Also, a couple of other things that I thought were interesting. Media volume being able to change the media volume from the lock screen is coming back. It's an option in accessibility. And there's a live activity for safari downloads now too. Yeah. That's nice. Actually. And as you know, someone who releases every year, like ebooks. And large downloadable files. I always get the emails from people from people because before this change was very confusing where the safari downloads would go.
Sure. There's a small indicator in safari showing you that something is actually downloading, but it's easy to communicate. It's easy to miss. And with the live activity, it's a little more in your face. You know, that something is actually downloading. And it also highlights the fact that maybe a few people know this, but safari can totally download even large stuff in the background.
If you close safari and you go do something else, even before the live activity safari could do it. Now it's more obvious that it can. I just like that all these things are being added into point two, like it's not just Apple intelligence, right? Like the iOS 18 is being made noticeably better. Even though they're focused on the Apple intelligence as well, like I'm just I'm happy about that that is like the work is still happening. It's not all been passed over to this one specific thing.
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So we were just speaking about iOS 18.2 and I was surprised when I opened the document today to see that Federica wanted to talk about some uses of writing tools in. So this is not what I would have expected from you. So I'm very intrigued. Now first of all, I like to keep people on their toes. You know, you gotta keep guessing.
When people, exactly when people form an idea of me, that's when I know it's time to change because you know, you know, but seriously, the thing is I obviously have my very strong opinions on generative AI on the training that was done how it was done. And with as we discussed in the previous episode, this is not meant to be another of those political segments. Unfortunately, by and large, the damage has been done from that perspective.
And I wish I had the strength and the power as an individual to undo what has been done, but I cannot. And so I for the past few months, I have found myself at this crossroads where like these features are happening. These features are coming. Apple is working on them. Other AI companies are continuing the rollout of their products. And there's very little I can do. But the more, you know, I have an opinion about something that doesn't mean that I'm ignoring that it exists.
And the more I keep observing this space and the more I keep, you know, reading and testing and playing around with these things, the more I think I am coming. This is like just an assumption that I have, but I think I'm coming to a conclusion in my head, which is. I fundamentally despise generative AI in the sense of a software that aims to replace human creativity and human output.
There's nothing I can do about it. I really, really strongly dislike it, especially for illustrations and images and photos, quote unquote, photos. But at the same time, I, I find it more comfortable when there's an application of AI. I believe people in this field, they call it assistive AI as opposed to generative AI, where it's really meant to assist you with certain tasks.
And you still got to do the work, like in my case, I still got a right, I still got a research, I still got to do my job. But there's another essentially another tool in my toolbox that I can use. And that makes me more at ease than say, write an essay for me or write an email for me or create an image for me. And so I've been looking into this sort of stuff, not just for Apple intelligence, but for other, for other AI tools, though, maybe we'll talk about later.
But I thought this week, as I was working in Apple notes, also because I got a right about 80.2. I thought I identified a couple of things where I could test writing tools, not for writing at all, but for assisting me in the editing and management of a couple of notes that I had in the notes app. Two very different types of notes. The first one was a list of payments for the current year, payments and related tax rates that I needed to keep track of. And this note was like all kinds of messy.
It was not properly formatted. Some payment amounts were inserted in the note with the symbol, the unicode symbol for euro, others were just saying like 25 euros, like spelled out. Like it was all different formatting. There were really no sections. It was all playing text. It was a note that I understood, but it was not nice looking and it was not neatly organized or well laid out. And so I thought, well, let's try writing tools here.
And especially the flavor of writing tools in a team.2 with chat GPD integration with the ability to further refine your query, but also to compose something using chat GPD. So what I did was I took this note and I said, can you take this entire document? This is actually me typing out these instructions in natural language in the writing tools, chat GPD tax field.
Can you take this note and give it consistent formatting, make sure you always label these payments a certain way and these other payments with a different way and the tax rates, you know, make them put them into a different section. All of these sections should be organized by month. And I want you to create sections for each month.
Sure enough, we did that like writing tools with chat GPD did that and it took the contents of my note and reformatted the note gave everything a consistent for example, Euros were all transformed into the Unicode symbol for the Euro currency and everything was organized by month.
And the payment types were organized with the same order with bullet list. It was really well done. A couple of things where I was impressed. I got to say I was impressed and even more interesting though is that I found value in being able to to query that note for information later.
Like for example, once the note was organized, I said, okay, can you now this is in the compose field of writing tools. I said, can you add a section at the end where you sum up all of the payments that were labeled Mac stories and give me the total of all of them. And it did that, it worked. So basically what I realized is that with this note that contained a bunch of numbers and a bunch of currencies, I was basically remaking a spreadsheet without actually working with a spreadsheet.
I was doing that, but instead of entering formulas, I was asking the AI to do the calculation for me. Which is much easier. I mean, like spreadsheets are good if you know how if you know the incantations. Exactly. And in this case, I was just I was using like even the wrong terminology. I was like, hey, can you sum up this like, you know, I was not using like a person like a person like a person. But in doing this, I I ran into capital limitations. The first one is that.
Apple notes specific formatting that they want to do for headings, for example, when I asked it, like, can you make so I selected some actually I said, can you make all of the month labels proper headings notes. And it didn't know how to deal with that. So instead it entered markdown headings like age to markdown headings with two pound signs was like, no, that's that's not what I'm asking for. It would be sick if notes had markdown support.
It would be sick, but it doesn't. And also like, I realized something that I naturally gravitated towards was like, okay, now that I can, you know, I can ask this thing to work with numbers. I was like, hey, can you can you make me it? Can you make me like a table with these numbers? And the problem is that you cannot like you can turn a selection of texting to a table, but you cannot ask
charge you to in writing to us to say, hey, just take a subset of those payments and make it and create a table at the end. That doesn't work. That doesn't work. Yeah, because the table creating functionality is not chat GPT, right? Exactly.
Essentially, like, what is happening? I agree. Like it would be great if they actually did talk to each other, but like chat GP, chat GPT is doing its thing. And then iOS is just pasting the results. Like that is essentially what's happening, which is exactly it's kind of janky, right? It's kind of janky. Like a lot of this stuff, like basically every every part of ample intelligence is currently janky in some way. Like that is that is going on across the board.
The second note was also interesting. So the second note was something completely different. It's a shared note that we are currently sharing with the Mac stories team to make our selections for the Mac story selects awards, which are coming back, of course, this year.
And there are sections in this note for each of us on the editorial team casting our votes for our preferences. So there's Federico, John, Jonathan, Nilean and Devon. And everyone of us is deepening out, deepening in and out of the note entering their selections.
Mine was empty. And so I want to I want to clean start and I saw that John already had all of these sections, the categories already inserted in the note. So I placed the cursor under my name in my empty section and I someone that writing tools and I said,
can you make me a list of the same categories of awards that John used and much of my surprise, it worked. It took all of these sections without the actual picks, just the names of the sections that John used in his section and created basically a template for me in my part of the document.
And I was going to use some of these sections names were not properly capitalized. So I selected a couple of them. And in the refine text field, I entered make this title case. And it did like a reformatted this selected line of text in title case. Sometimes it crashes for no clear reason, especially on the iPad, because hey, why not, let's crash on the iPad.
What was also interesting is that I entered my so that again, once again, there was me doing my manual work. So I entered my preferences, my potential candidates. And then at the end, I moved the cursor at the very bottom of the document and I went back to the compose field and asked, okay, I believe my request was, who is the likely winner for each category based on the number of appearances in this note for each person.
And yeah, and it did that. It created a list of the categories with potential winners based just on number of appearances in each category said, I don't know, I'm going to say something that can possibly be true, so no spoilers. I'm going to say tweet bot, resting piece, because it was mentioned by Federico Devon and John in this and this category. So like it did that. And I thought that was useful.
Like instead of me having to like, there's no creativity in me running down, running through a list and counting appearances. Like, that's what that's what computers do. You know, take care of the busy work for me. And so for this type of busy work, despite the jankiness of it all, I found it kind of useful. I'll say like something that has changed recently too, like, like, chat GPT just got web searching capabilities.
Yeah. Oh boy, it's a good. Oh my god, it's so much better than Google. Like it's, it's incredible. Just how, for me, like, how better at searching the web that is. And I've had similar experiences with complexity, right? Like, that's what it was doing before. But I just, I like the way that chat GPT is doing it, like, visually, but like these tools, somebody wrote into me, I haven't tried it yet, but you know, Kagi.
Yeah, the search engine. Right. Yeah, they have, they have a thing with, they're using a bunch of things and they're doing a search tool like this to things called Kagi Assistant. Well, if you're pay for their profile and they have a version of this too, I just think as a version of like web searching, these tools are just correct for searching the web, I think. Yeah. And I think you got a hint to chat GPT search. They do a decent enough job linking to the sources.
Yeah. I've also been using it. I don't think that their search linking is any worst in Google. Exactly. That's, that's what I also think. I think just like Google connects extract a snippet of information from websites. So they also extract snippets. But what I like is that they put tapable sources, tapable links at the end of each paragraph. And also at the very end, there's an overall like sources pop up that you can tap and it takes you straight to the destination web page.
And I got to say like I've actually been using this as as my main search engine for the past two weeks. I actually put chat GPT in my dock because of that and every web search. I'm running through chat GPT and it's it's kind of wild. How much better than Google is at doing this. It's no surprise to me that Google must be so afraid of this product. And I actually prefer like if I if I use this like I have landed. So we've been researching buying a new car, for example.
And I have landed on so many different auto related websites in Italy that I had no idea existed with Google. And so I thought it was actually nice that I was using something better for search. And I was actually clicking more to get to the original source than I was doing before with Google and their front page results. Yeah, I do wonder if there's I mean, I know I put us in myself right where like I think Google's AI stuff is is getting criticism because we have long trusted Google right.
So like when Google gives a weird result, you're like, oh, come on Google. Like I have faith in you to do this for me. And I've had a similar experience to you where like I feel like I'm finding different websites and I'm doing my searches. But that's because I don't I inherently don't trust chat GPT. So like I'm more likely to click the sources and a chat GPT search. Yes. Then I am in a Google search. So like this is like one of these things where just like it's not really.
It's not really fair to Google in a way right like where I where I feel in that regard where like they may be giving me as good things but I'm going to check in something else anyway. Nevertheless, whatever, but I do these took the answers that I get to these like so far example right give you a great search that I wanted to know the other day. How long does it take a container ship to get from the UK to America.
Googleing that is not great like it's just like I know I know this is a bad question for Google. Well, I feel like it but I actually be T and it told me just told me it's like great. That's all I need. I don't need exact. I just want to feel like something went on the web and collected a bunch of information and gave me the answer right. And yeah, and so I think these tools work it for them. Yeah, I think I think that's sort of the the nexus of like Google's problem in this new error right that.
Their tools rely on you to go get the information at the end and then now they're trying to shoehorn like the responses at the top of the search results like you can see them struggling with that shift. In real time and I think your example like perfectly describes what that the heart of that issue is like am I doing the work or the computer doing the work and the trust and everything else like those are all elements to it and you know that will.
Come and go over time, but I think your example is like perfectly succinct on why Google is facing the challenge that it is now. Yeah, now you're clearly on a bit of a AI assistant kick right now, Federico right. I can I can I can fill this in you you're going out there you see what the state of the art is. Yeah, have you hit the thing that so many people hit including many of my friends where you realize just how smart Claude is.
Yes, yeah, it seems to be like the flight but the problem with Claude Claude isn't connected to the web which I find to be limiting. But then there are these other tools that can collect connect to the web and use Claude as the LM but like for some reason, I think it's very strange that well maybe strange is not the right word it's hard.
It's a problem. It's also a policy decision that I'm not going to be connected to the internet because of safety reasons which I understand to be fair I understand.
Yeah, Claude it's funny because I was actually listening to you and great discusses and I was like maybe maybe I should try Claude and see what it's like for like personal research purposes and so what I like about Claude is that it gives you the ability to create projects so it's you're basically creating like a self-contained project and you can give it reference files and so obviously like an idea came to mind was like if this thing really has powerful search and reasoning capabilities.
What if I gave it my own iOS reviews as reference files because a problem that I've always had and maybe a large language model will be the only solution to address this problem is I've been writing this reviews for 10 years I posted a screenshot on threats today I did the count the word count of all those reviews combined.
It's over half a million words in 10 years I have written 520 thousand words on iOS and I have a lot of us combined it's a staggering amount of text and you do this you do this for a while. The lines get blurry in the sense of like hey when did widgets become interactive yes or even more esoteric stuff like hey when was it that accessibility was moved to the main page of the settings app like this.
My new IOS and I have a lot of details that for years I had to use Google for like site specific searches in Google searching my own website and eventually find in the page you know or clicking through multiple links and I've always thought wouldn't it be great if I had a system this was like I was having these thoughts before large language model like wouldn't be great if I could just query a database of my reviews to find the specific bit of information
and remember when something happened. And so I thought well I'll just give Claude the text of my reviews and start asking questions and see what it's like because I'm basically I'm basically in a way training the AI to reason over my own work right that was the goal. And so spoiler even with the biggest model Claude pro with the 3.5 sonnet model it doesn't go over the call it tokens they don't call it words but it doesn't go over 200,000 tokens.
Are you paying for Claude right now I am because of this because I wanted to try this yes okay did it work when you paid or was it still doesn't work so even if you pay you cannot go over 200,000 tokens okay which means that my half a million words far exceed what is possible in Claude right now.
Maybe this is like a long term process like upload each document and say take out everything except the details and like shrink each review down maybe maybe right like just say like take a look at this just create another document that is just facts feature you know I can.
But then again I wouldn't be able to do what I've been doing so basically 10 reviews I cannot upload it can only do 3 of them my latest 3 reviews 16 17 and 18 that's the maximum I was able to do otherwise it like it gives me it actually gives me an error it's a prompt is too long.
But what I've been able to do is like I've been able to ask for like hey can you give me a summary of the widget changes across the latest 3 releases and can you give me a list and it's okay sure here's like it does take about 15 20 seconds to process but it works like it runs through all of my my 3 most recent reviews and he gives me okay I was 16 these changes to widgets I was 17 these other changes.
Then I was able to say okay can you tell me how I described this changes and it gives me quotes that I use like expressions that I used or I could go like hey how did I conclude my I was 17 review and it gives me like the final sentence that I used like this sort of it's like having it's like having a superpower like this is the work that I've done this is my life's work
really and there has never been a good search method for that work. This system gives me a solution but it's very costly and very expensive and even with the most expensive option it still cannot handle 10 years of work.
But still it's remarkable and you know the fact that you know I really like how and in general like Claude seems to have I don't even know to describe it like a better way of thinking I don't know they don't really think but it's got a better way of accepting back and forth and refining and just you know giving getting to the result you want
with fewer magical wording conditions. It feels the smartest. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah that's that's eventually I would like to have something like this and this is what I mean by assistive right the generation of this work I have done and I will continue doing every year you know sit down with my iPad and I write my review of iOS and iPadOS.
Now I'm human I cannot possibly memorize the entire text of 10 years of iOS reviews but that text is out there I would be able I would like to be able to search it current search systems mostly suck this one is pretty good but limited in terms of amount of text. Yeah. So yeah it's remarkable and in this court we have discovered that you've basically written something the length of war and peace. There you go. Okay. Which is also a great way to think about iOS. And I promise.
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Yesterday, Mark Gurman published a report on Bloomberg detailing the Apple home hub or like home control center. Not quite sure what to call this thing. Basically what Gurman says is that this is an iPad like device that is designed to go on a wall or with a stand you know in the kitchen or something like that. That would give you control of your smart home and your Apple ecosystem stuff. And so as what he says the company is gearing up to announce the device as early as March.
Just wild and will position as a command center for the home according to people with knowledge of the effort. I will also spotlight the new Apple intelligence AI platform said the people the device has a roughly six and screen looks like a square iPad. It's about the size of two iPhone side by side with a thick edge around the display is also a camera at the top front a rechargeable built in battery and internal speaker speakers Apple plans to offer in silver and black options.
What do you think Mike? March is aggressive. That is but that is exciting to me. I'm surprised at the March timeline. I like a lot of stuff that he talks about with creating a kind of and to be clear. What he has done with this report is collect up some previous reporting and add to it a little bit so there's like some details that I know like the some of the physical attributes like that you could maybe have like a speaker dark and you can put it on the wall.
Can you put it in the shower you know this is going to be out. We'll find out I show hope so and you know like the release time frame of stuff is is new to things like combining some of the best parts of the operating systems.
I liked this one thing he mentioned about like that they might put some senses in the device that depending on how far away you are from the device wherever you're querying it or just looking at it the device may be aware of people's proximity to it and like show different types of information.
This feels like a very well thought out product and it seems like Apple is doing what they do best when they do it which is like combining and taking from different parts of the operating systems right so like take a little from vision of us a little from iPad OS a little bit from TV OS or something anyway but like and kind of being able to mold something interesting together.
I'm happy that this is the product that they're looking to do I'm happy that they're not starting with the really expensive one that apparently has a robotic arm. I'm pretty sure is like mark gomen sleep paralysis demon at this point he loves their about it about it loves it because I just feel like if he is right then he will get the run this one in everyone's face because I think a lot of people think they're not going to do something like this.
But just in general we spoke about what this is a product that I want same I want a basic version of this and it feels like they're going to give me a little bit more than that actually maybe a lot more than that and that's amazing I am happy with just a device as a speaker in like a home pod right that I can talk to the assistant and it will show me photos and maybe a shared family Canada like that is all I want but it feels like that they're actually going to go to the better route of like hey but what if I don't know this is a better route.
Hey, but what if another OS but potentially combining this and TV OS I think is great as I will be good for the Apple TV to like to kind of maybe give it a little bit more. Yeah, this is great and I am very enthused by the idea of having this in my home within five months from now because from the previous reporting of this product I figured this was probably a you know this time next year kind of thing. Rather than like in five or six months from now.
I'm into it I dig it and I really hope that they that they do it in the way that the way that I mentioned. I think having it while mounted is super interesting I think it really opens up the ability like put this by an exterior door or like in your entry way and yes you can plop it down on a stand that I'm sure will be an extra purchase.
A lot of these things are really good in the kitchen but they're not good just in the kitchen I think it's really interesting and in the article talks about having like a home kit security cameras up like you could see you would maybe want this in other places. And I think if Apple is using TV OS or like some combination of things under the hood I think that's wise we don't need yet another OS.
But the thing I couldn't help but notice it's missing in here I think that I think a lot of the people thought about almost immediately was like what about iPad apps like is this TV OS plus some widgets plus some you know photos I show stuff and like is that enough or do you want more for full blown widgets or full blown apps on it even as like an escape valve like they are in vision OS I'm not quite sure.
But it is interesting that Apple would be kind of taking you know parts of other OS and things they've done you know this is really close to like standby mode on the iPhone in a way it's all really interesting.
I want one of these things so bad like really just the idea of something square shaped it seems that potentially has a rechargeable battery base with speakers that I can use for music and use for podcasts and ideally I can move around and I can also use for face time calls because it's got a camera and I can use for stuff like timers check the weather or play some music play some podcasts.
And home kit controls I mean yeah that especially I would say especially if it's portable which seems a little unclear the government mentions a rechargeable battery so why would you have a rechargeable battery unless you're planning to make it portable around the house.
But yeah I mean I do find it interesting that it doesn't seem like there's going to be an app store launch Apple probably learning the lessons with vision OS and being like hey we don't exactly have you know I message or you know I message or watch us like we don't exactly have you know let's let's not do another half empty app store for now and let's not ask developers to create apps for yet another platform.
Do you not think they would just say it runs iPad apps that do not wouldn't why wouldn't I don't I don't think it's going to run iPad apps.
Why it sounds small for iPad apps and also square is too small and square and square yeah square I don't know yeah I mean it's complicated right I I've been while we've been talking about I've been going back with some words in my head of like do I really need it to have apps like there's some stuff yeah but like for what I want this thing for I think just apples apps isn't enough.
But then I think like you know when you were talking for the recovery car but like podcasts well then I haven't got overcast on it you know maybe car plays the answer you just been looking at it all along throughout the entire episode is just going to be a car play but that it's complicated right because like having another destination for apps is is a bad is a bad idea right that that is about
the answer but having no apps is also about that right because then this device will launch and like what you can't use Spotify right like what you can airplane and like maybe that's it right maybe they're like hey well I want to watch you to great just
airplane yeah and maybe that's fine right maybe that's right and maybe they you know maybe they make it smart enough with our friend apple intelligence that like you ask for a video and it can just work it out by getting it from your phone for you right you're like I want to watch
fire 12 pixels on YouTube and it's just like goes and gets me that video and just gets it works it out right like they said I mean Mark says AI in this but like I'm sure apples that guy was going to say AI and everything but then also hilarious I guess this thing runs an E 17 pro
yeah way more powered and they would have wanted for this product when it was originally conceived so yeah I don't know it's the app thing is complicated because going back far enough into history right we would say apple will never launch a device of out an app store because like of course you need apps but then the practicality of apple in 2024 is like they're not necessarily going to build like you know it felt like for a while it was like all apple had to do was release a product and the
developers will will come and they will do it and they will make the applications but I just think that the last couple of years especially this year of kind of suggested it is not necessarily as simple as that anymore so so yes it will be a wrinkle out that would be very interesting to see what happens there.
Yeah well if if if this product actually happens I do plan on getting one yeah same and especially if it's portable now any guesses what they're going to call this is going to be a home pod. I think if they don't call it the home pod then they have messed up like this is home pod yeah home pod max home pod pro. Yeah I could see home pod pro yeah the name is terrible though home pod pro yeah I mean it's not above apple we have I've had many parentheses A 17 pro flown around so true
home pod A 17 pro there it is just it's right in front of us the whole time yeah yeah I think they've got a I think they'll tied in with the home pod brand you know even if it's not really the same thing but I think I think home pod has the ability to extend on to other things like if they you know there's also that rumor floating out there like an Apple TV sound bar combo type thing like all these things can be in the home pod family just like air pods.
Or you know a whole family of products now to people understand that and get it yeah home pod is a good name to like it is just like in general like it is actually a good name yeah wall pod that's a terrible name home home with that one which means they might go with that one but like yeah I think creating more products in the home pod families find even if they end up calling this one the home pod and renaming home pod to something else yeah maybe
or killing it yeah why is that big one still for sale I mean you just get rid of that and have the home pod and it's this one and then the home pod mini and it's just a little little spooky you know I don't know why I could it's be key yeah that was weird what that's about that was for I don't know why I said it I regret it and I what I hate sometimes is that
the things that I say are recorded and they're not just things that I say and everyone's like Mike why did you say that I'm like I don't know man I'm tired and then we just move on because now I've said it and it's out there forever and people are suggesting as a title already which is good little little little little speaking speaking it runs a little widgey you know it would run little widgey now see now come on and now we're talking Steve I got to get one of the I got
to get one of these for work you know like what do you think though widgets though would be good right it'd be awesome I'm reaching in my restaurant getting underscores credit card out right now but like seriously though this would be yeah really great widget experience yeah I mean that's why I
thought about stand by on the iPhone right this completely widget powered experience that yeah parts of it are a little like we are to customize and why is that not on the iPad nobody knows but like apples been probing around this problem for a while and I think
having the ability to have your widgets on it would be huge you know I'm thinking about like you said it right like well yeah apples apps would be enough for me like I actually don't think that's true and I think if you have something like this you would want Spotify you would want ring or you would want you know whatever other security systems that are out there like this should be open to everything in the ecosystem and which is our great way to do that in a way that's not
fitily we're like complicated to use like oh it's like some some fun colorful things to interact with and then I can move on right no one wants to like stand in their hallway poking their wall computer right and this this should be
glanceable quick type things and with interactivity and widgets you're you're basically there I will just restate that it's like so in general yes this product should have more than apples apps I just be like for what I personally want it for like I all I need is my calendar photos and being able to talk to it like that's kind of all I want and have weather and like so I don't really need more than that personally for this thing like I wouldn't even use this for music because I have sonos
or other house right so like I don't need it be cool to control the sonos for me but that's probably not going to happen you know but like I don't I just for me like where I imagine this in my life is replacing my echo show which is like the most annoying piece of technology that I still have and is in daily use and I hate it but like you know like I want to control my home stuff right well it's going to do that it's in there and like you know you said you need
which is great but I don't need that I have home kit cameras so like for me personally this thing give apples current existing OS ecosystem would give me all I need to be what I want that product to be but it is undoubtedly a better product by being able to use the
podcast app that I like use the music app that I like be able to have widgets from every app that I want you know like that is a much more important product but I would personally get by just fine with just Apple stuff I think for what I can imagine I would want to use this thing for but they should do anyway should yeah it's going to be exciting I think this would be a nice addition to a lot of people's set ups because in a way apple has tried to make TV OS this
year right they've added some smart home stuff and like you have the control center and TV OS and some of the stuff lives over there but you got to be in front of your TV and you're using that you know the serial remote and it doesn't I it's still a TV first and they've kind of added these other things to it and I don't think that's really work like it's nice that that's there but it's not super compelling and your TV is not in your kitchen or by your door where you
want this thing and so this being being smaller and more flexible and building it for these sorts of interactions from the beginning that's all good I can about you guys like a lot of like the home screen stuff and the screens have a stuff and like that's great like it's nice my TV is not on all the time yeah I don't leave the TV on right like I see these things when the TV is on and we're waiting to do
something you know like even stuff like the you know ring it like when when someone rings my doorbell if I have the TV on it will show them yes I'm kid doorbell I seen it once in two years because the likelihood of when I'm watching TV that somebody rings the doorbell is that the overlap isn't there like I watch TV later in the evening like it's not on in the daytime so like but having this this one device that would just be
the like the thing that is in the the place on the kitchen counter like I look at it and I know that all the stuff is there like even just like the home screen of it make it the photo lock screen thing with which is
doing the smart like my watch my beloved watch lock face right like all of that stuff they got all of the component pieces of technology now it's just the case of bringing them together which and that that excites me because I think it would be a better product than the other stuff that I've done. The last thing I'll say here is that the Mark's time frame you know we touched on it so these rumors have been out there for a while it seems like this has been kind of cooking for a bit.
Mark seems like an interesting time to have a new product but I also don't think this probably raise you know rises to the level of like WBC keynote and maybe they wanted out before the fall so like March is interesting I could see it being that being true and accurate. I saw another room today of like a potential that new iPhone SE with like the full screen one is also looks like it's potentially on track for March. So they may have like a March event. Yeah where they got a few things.
I dig it. I think it could be a lot of fun. This year March was the iPad Pro. Yeah. No, that was me. That was me. That was me. This year in May is what I said. Yeah. Yeah, I think I think Zoom crackled you miss hub me. I've pretty sure I see. Again, there was no recording of this. There's no way to get fun. There's no way to know you can't hit back and overcast. It's not possible for anybody to know so it's fine.
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