For Relay, this is Connected, episode 523. Today's show is brought to you by FitBod, Squarespace, and ExpressVPN. I am the Ricky Banchman, Mike Hurley, and I would like to introduce Mr. Federico Vitechie, Hi Federico. Oh, Chal, Mike. How are you? I'm very good. I'm very good. I've got... This is one of those shows today where yesterday morning, we were like, do we text in like, not really sure what to talk about. And then, by the end of the day, the entire show would written itself.
Yes. Yes. Before we get into the more topical follow-up, I have some real life follow-up. Ah, yes. That in that you sent me some tea, like some actual tea to drink. Because I mentioned how offendedly that I liked drinking tea before doing the show. Yep. And so you were like, you sent me some tea from a company that sounds like a law firm. What's the name? Fort Number Mason. Yeah, that's where you go. Does it sound like something? Yeah, I guess.
They really care about your intellectual property. So anyway, I tried the tea today. So I purchased from Amazon because I figured I don't have one, a little stainless steel filter to... Oh, a tea strainer. You know, I... So when I was buying this for you, so the tea that I bought you was called Countess Grey, which is... Because you mentioned you liked O Grey tea. And I was like, oh buddy, if I got a tea for you. And it's Fort Number Mason's twist on O Grey.
And you could buy either tea bags or the loose leaf tea. And there was two things I was thinking, one, I'm not going to presume Federico is fancy and he uses loose leaf tea. But now I know you are. You are now. But I am now. I am fancy now. And also you get a lot more for the money and you get a nice little tin that you can... That's the thing. That's the thing. We liked the tin so much. It's now always inside. And kitchen shelf. Because it looks...
It actually goes like the colors. They actually go really nice with another little box that we have there for keeping like little sugar packets. I don't... It's useful to have... I don't consume sugar anymore. But you know, when you have people over and you offer some tea or some coffee, most people use sugar. So it's useful. So it goes perfectly with the color of that little box. And I tried to tea today. My God, it was incredible. They have...
One of them, Mason, you know, established in 1707. So they've been around for a bit. Isn't that an incredible thing like older than America? Well... If you think... I mean, you're speaking to an Italian, right? So if you think about it, lots of things are older than America. No, but it's like we have that in common, right? That like our countries are very, very old, right?
And like there is a lot of established history. Like, you know, in London and in Rome, you can walk around and see buildings that are just like... They're medieval, right? Like it's just... But like just this company who makes tea has been around for longer than the US of A. I just find that hilarious. But for them, Mason, I really love for them, Mason. I recommend if you're coming to London and you want to have a nice tea experience,
like you know, like an afternoon tea. This is the one I recommend because they have some a lot of tradition, but they're also slightly modern too, which I like that about them. And also their biscuits are incredible. They're Jams Federico, my word. They make a banana jam, which sounds terrible, but it's... Well, I don't know. Send me another box. Well, now I know I can send you products from for them, Mason. You're in for a... You're in for a tree, all right?
I'm not just going to send you some stuff coming to you. Next time you're in London, I'm going to take you there. They make my favorite biscuits in the world. They're like these shortbread biscuits with pieces of caramel in them. Oh my God. Okay. All right. Okay. Well, the tea was incredible. It's got this taste of lemon. Ah, it's so good. So good. Anyway, we now have real follow-up. Actually follow-up. I've got a couple of people who wrote in about the Moquibo. Moquibo. This was...
This is the keyboard that has a trackpad in the keys. Yes, we were talking about. And we were wondering if it was real. John said, I got one of the previous Moquibo keyboards and it actually does work. It pairs with three devices and you have to touch the left mouse button while swiping the keys to use the trackpad. I wouldn't use it full-time, but as a supplement for occasional use, the Vision Pro or Raspberry Pi's, it's absolutely usable.
Ah, oh, okay. Okay. And Cameron wrote in and said, I have a Moquibo keyboard, actually too, since they sent me a new model as a replacement. It took forever to arrive, a little sketchy, but I got it and it is 100% a Federico-style weird tech item. Ah, okay. It's super thin and very cool to use. The touch surface can be a little sensitive and there is a toggle to disable it. It also pairs up to three devices and has appropriate key mappings for Apple, iOS, Android, et cetera.
It is a nifty device for sure. For the Ricoh-style weird tech item. Yeah. Hmm. Maybe. Moquibo, huh? Interesting. So you need to hold down on the left mouse button while swiping. I think that there might be two different models here. Because if you notice, Cameron says there's a toggle to disable it. So I wonder if Cameron has a more modern one where you just toggle it on and off and it would just work. It seems like one of these things, I think, where Jam put it best.
You wouldn't want to use this constantly, but every now and again, it's like helpful to be able to also just use the tripod with the keyboard. And that actually feels like actually perfect for Vision Pro because I track it's fantastic. But sometimes it's not so good in the compatible apps. So then you would want to track pad. So you're just using it sometimes. Now that you mentioned the Vision Pro, so I'm going to check out the Moquibo.
Now that you mentioned the Vision Pro, I also need to mention something. So I've been using the Vision Pro again as we were established. Yeah. I noticed while using obviously Vision OS 2. Now I use the Vision Pro at night, mostly at night. I just my personal private monitor so I can watch some YouTube or some TV shows without bothering Sylvia and X to me. However, starting with Vision OS 2, I get these low light alerts, which are not new.
But what is new is that in addition to the alerts, now my windows, they start drifting. And it's kind of making me sick in the sense that very often, I mean, my dark bedroom, we just have some blue mood lighting going on because we don't like to sleep completely in the dark. So we have these Philips U turned down very low with a blue color. And what I noticed is that randomly the windows that are in front of me with Vision OS, they start like getting away from me and it's very disorienting.
It's almost like the windows are escaping and they're like getting further and further away from me. And eventually, the issues with the tracking, isn't it? And eventually they stop and it says tracking failed. Now this was not happening in Vision OS 1 and the bedroom is always the same one. The lights are still the same ones. It's just now it's more sensitive to the low light and the windows that are drifting.
And it's kind of like it's sort of physically uncomfortable because like it creates that illusion in your brain that you are moving backwards. Well, in fact, it's the windows that are getting away from you. Very strange, very strange. Are you on the beta? I am. Okay. I'm playing around with some kind of track, like anchoring or something. I think a way to fix it could maybe be to turn on travel mode. Ooh, I could turn on travel mode.
I mean, another tip comes of its own disadvantages, but like I think the point of that is to stop things from moving, right? So maybe, maybe if it's like bothering you, maybe turn on travel mode. It's an excellent tip. This shouldn't be happening, right? Because it's infrared. It shouldn't be happening. Yeah, I thought about doing like few months ago. I saw some recommendations on Reddit that people got some like infrared flood lights to put in their bedrooms at night.
And it's like it's this light that do not like they don't emit any visible light. They just create infrared light for the vision probe that in theory should help with the tracking. But I'm just very concerned about putting this thing in my bedroom and then having to explain to Sylvia that we have infrared lights that are invisible, but actually in the bedroom. It's one of these things where like I don't think that's a problem with it, but like, but like why do you have it?
You know, like why not just not have it? Yeah, it's like when you're getting this like ultrasound on Amazon, I saw there's like a few, so I need to contextualize everything I say a few months, a few months ago. Okay, no, stay with me. A few months ago we had a pigeon problem on the balcony. The pigeons, they were feasting on my plans for whatever reason. And they were making a whole mess, right?
The pigeons that would come in and they would start, you know, using the little, the little work called like they have paws. What do birds have? Down legs. I guess, I guess. Anyway, they were using those. I like they were making a mess of my potted plants, right? Because they were looking for bugs or worms or whatever. Anyway, I had to clean up every day. And so we consider how do we keep the pigeons away? And we consider like one of those ultrasound machines that you can put on your balcony.
And they were saying in theory they're safe because the frequency is just for the birds. It's not for humans or dogs. And it's like, but would you trust what the Amazon listing says? I don't think ultrasound is what you're looking for. What was? Ultrasounds like what you use for like scanning people. But I know what you mean. Like the very, like the sounds are very low frequency. The low frequency in theory. Yeah, that, that not whatever it's called. I'm not sure.
Yeah. They were calling it ultrasound or the Italian equivalent in the Amazon listing. In any case, we didn't get it. We ended up just putting some, some white pebbles in the, in the pots. Ultrasonic. Thank you. We put some pebbles in the pots so that the birds with their claws, talons wouldn't be able to access the, you know, just the dirt. We have tried using one of these ultrasound thing because we had, we had and have a bit of a fox problem. Oh, okay. Yeah, it doesn't work. Doesn't work.
They don't care. One day we're like using one of our plant as outside and it just being knocked over. So, I guess they just go behind and just knock it over and that's how they do with it. But maybe pigeons wouldn't be able to have that kind of strength, but I don't know. Yeah. Anyway, I didn't get the IR light for division pro. And I guess I'll try travel mode. Thank you for the tip. Speaking of vision pro. So I got the speak and strap.
Okay. I would say fiddle, like a lot of these things, I found it very fiddley to adjust, like to get it tight. Yes. But I always have this problem. If I have any bags or anything that has like a buckle adjustment, I always struggle with. And I ended up going to like what I think is like as tight as it can possibly go. And I still think I might want it a little tight, though, but it's good. Like I like this. It is what I was hoping Apple would make. I like it more.
It works for me in a way that the solo top doesn't. And I now can have the more comfortable solo band with the top head support that I want. Yeah. I'm happy that this product exists. Nice. And I'm thankful that you told me about it. Nice. I also wanted to mention a blog post that you linked to a Mac stories by Azad Balabanian. Balabanian. Yeah. Which is honestly one of the best blog posts I've read in a long time. Yes. It's incredibly good.
But this is Azad talking about their experiences of traveling with the Vision Pro. This is almost like the definitive guide for traveling with the Vision Pro. That's I think that's how I would call it. It's really well written. Loads of great photos and videos too that really illustrate his points very cleanly and understandably. I just thought it was fantastic. Like super, super good. And like you, it made me feel like, oh, the next time I travel, maybe I'll do this. But I have yet to do it.
Yeah. And obviously Azad seems to know what they're talking about. For context, they're a senior product manager at Neantic. Oh, cool. And yeah, and Azad checking Azad's value that we're working on. VR, 3D graphics, photogrammetry, like this sort of stuff for decades. So very cool, great blog post. Lots of like very practical advice, which I appreciate it. And yeah, it's fun to discover someone blogging. In 2024, never seen before. So that was exciting. How did you come across this?
Well, I think it was on Reddit. Reddit, I wouldn't say it wasn't Reddit. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I just wanted to how you're plugged into the ecosystem. Reddit. I mean, Reddit is still and always going to be most likely the place. Yeah. Yeah. And Kyle wrote in about threads and just said, I wanted to flag the missed opportunity. You have over the last couple of episodes to use the name Threadoreco to describe Threadoreco's engagement bait persona on threads, which is just like so good.
And I'm disappointed in myself really for not not thinking about this, because I just think that is brilliant. That is very good. And it is a persona that like, yeah, that is such a, it's a different version of yourself. Yeah. Kyle, you know me well. Everything about this follow up is perfect. Threadoreco.
Threadoreco. Yeah. I have definitely called you Threadoreco in the past, because I think I've told you about this where as I, when I grew up, the TH sound was pronounced as an F. So I'd be like one, two, three, like it's just the way that people would grow up in my part. And London would say that they would, it's more of an F sound than a. Is there a name? Is there a name for that? I'm sure there is. But I don't know what it is.
And so like for me, one of the hardest things for me to say is 30 day free trial, which I have to say quite a lot in my life, because I want to say 30 day free trial, which is terrible. Sometimes I say 30 day three trial, which is completely wrong. And so I know, I know I have called you Threadoreco in the past, because I just will have done this because sometimes I'm overcompensating. And instead of correct the F, I correct the TH incorrectly.
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Three years after the sixth gen iPad Mini that was in October 2021. This one has the same physical, like same dimensions, same size, same thickness, same weight as the old iPad Mini, same display. But there are some new things. It comes with an A17 Pro chip that's going to power Apple intelligence. This is the A17 Pro from last year. This is not the A18. This is from last year's Pro iPhone. Yes. It comes with Bluetooth 5.3 up from Bluetooth 5. It has Wi-Fi 6C up from Wi-Fi 6.
It comes with faster USB file transfers. Now it has USB 3.1 Gen 2 as opposed to 3.1 Gen 1. Basically, this means it can transfer files up to 10 GB per second, up from 5 GB per second. It supports the Apple Pencil Pro and Apple Pencil hover. The base storage has been doubled. The 64 GB version doesn't exist anymore. It now goes all the way up to 512 GB. It supports Smart HDR 4 for photos instead of a Smart HDR 3. It's easy only. It doesn't have a physical steam tray slot anymore.
And it says iPad Mini in the back instead of just a iPad. Never done that before. So it's not important. What it does not have, it doesn't have promo motion. So it's still a 60Hz display. It doesn't have OLED, non-new accessories, no nano texture glass option, and it just looks the same. And arguably, the colors, they're worse. Not arguably. They are worse. They removed all of the saturation. There's the great purple one, which I love. I have the purple iPad Mini and it looks great.
They have a new purple iPad Mini. It looks like a silver iPad Mini looked at the old iPad Mini and then that was what happened to it. They finished all the paint with the iPhone 16 models. I don't get it. I just don't know. I'm so tired of being like, what is it? Like, explain this to me. What is it exactly that justifies the iPhone 16 looking ultramarine or pink and being absolutely glorious when you look at it?
But then the iPad Mini is like, you can suddenly make out a faint drop of color in there. But it's like different, slightly colored versions of the same gray. I don't understand. I don't. Mini, either. We'll never understand it. It just feels like that there are debates inside of Apple about color and it's almost like it's like, oh, we'll give you one product of a lot of color, but you can't have another one this year.
So you have to be like, we'll give you the good iPhones, which means that the iPad Mini has to be worse. Right. I don't get it. So the details I want to pick into, I think you're interested in. So the A17 Pro chip, this chip is infamously, notoriously, I don't know, made on a three animated process like the 18 is made on a three animated process.
But the process that TSMC created for this chip had been abandoned by them and they went to a more efficient, with higher yield, I believe, process to the A18. But the thing was about the A17 Pro, which I think is also the M3, I think, was like, it's the same kind of like chip design or process for the nodes or I'm saying words now that I'm not sure we'll go together.
This process was abandoned and TSMC knew that it wasn't going to be used going forward but Apple needed the chips so they made them anyway. But I think that was one of the reasons why there wasn't a new chip in the iPhone 15 was because of this. So it's intriguing for them to do like, I don't understand why it didn't just go with the A18. Like, I assume they just have a bunch of A17 Pro chips that will only ever be used here.
It doesn't necessarily suggest a long shelf life for this iPad mini because it would be weird for TSMC and I'm expecting expensive for Apple to continue making more of these chips. So that is a peculiar choice, but it is a choice that they made. They needed to do this for Apple intelligence, right? It had to be the A17 Pro was the minimum chip that it could be. But yeah, I'm surprised that they didn't just go to A18.
It was obviously always going to be an A chip for this iPad and not an M chip because a stage manager is impossible on an iPad mini and technically if they put an M chip in it, it would have to support stage manager. I mean, technically everything is possible when you think about it. It just would not want to use stage manager on an iPad mini. But hold on, hold on. If you accept the reality that you're using like iPhone sized apps, let me put it another way.
Would you do multitasking with very small windows on a phone if you could? Yeah. Right. But what I wouldn't want is in the multitasking for a significant portion of my view to be taken up by the strip on the side. Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. I get multitasking on the iPad mini is fine. It's fine. But stage manager would be really not good, I think. Yeah, no, I agree. Look, I'm just, I'm just making, you know, just playing devil's advocate here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I've been using old school split view and slider over for the past three months. Like, the only moment I use stage manager is right now when I'm recording podcasts with my iPad plugged into an external display. Yeah, we're going to talk about our iPad usage. Yeah, okay. Show. No, no, no, no, I'm not telling you what to talk about. I'm definitely down with you. I have an 11 and a 13 inch iPad pro. And I, I'd never turn stage manager on.
I forget about it, which is hilarious because I do use it on my Mac. But, you know, I just don't like stage manager on the iPad really. Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't really need that for me. I saw Jason suggest that the implementation of these A17 Pro instead of the A18 and the fact that the three nanometer process has been abandoned. It may suggest that we're not going to have to wait another three years for a new iPad mini, which is a theory that's growing on me. I think this is correct. I do.
Yeah, I think that for whatever reason, they have just decided that they wanted to revise it and make it ready for app intelligence. I'm not really sure why, yeah, they felt me to do that. I think it's interesting because I feel like over the past year, we have seen Apple sort of having to respect two different deadlines. One of them being self-imposed. The first deadline is go all in on USBC everywhere. And that was imposed by the European Union.
And the other is make sure that you have your entire device line up as much as possible be ready for Apple intelligence. And it does like this iPad mini update the more I look at it, the more it screams like, oh, we need to have an iPad mini that supports Apple intelligence, even if like there's basically nothing new about it compared to the previous one.
Down to the like the size, it's literally the same millimeters, the same size, the same height, the same thickness, like everything is the same, but it's ready for Apple intelligence because they wanted to have an iPad mini going into the holiday season, I guess, that has AI. And so, yeah, I guess it's like maybe they feel, and I would actually agree, maybe that they feel that the price of the iPad mini is too high for it not to support these features.
Yeah, where the original iPad, you could say, fine, that was like the, you know, the iPad, the, oh, actually, forget what I'm saying, the iPad has, what does that have, oh, has any 14 in it. So yes, forget. Oh, okay. Wow, that's rough. Yeah, but that's going to take a while, right?
But like, you know, like the iPad air and now, you know, and up and then the iPad mini, they can all support it and I figure, and I think rightly so that like the standard iPad, the $350 iPad, they can let that one go a little bit longer, like for its use case, but I would argue the iPad mini is a niche product used by, I think a lot of professionals, and like Apple calls this out in their blog post that like, it's used by doctors and pilots.
And this is actually a thing on the VergeCast that they talk about a lot. It's like pilots using iPad minis. And like it is apparently a thing that happens. So I guess they wanted to be able to offer this product with that in it. The other thing I found interesting, I saw Matt Burtula right about this. They're wrangling the Apple pencil line up now. So this iPad mini supports just two Apple pencils and it is the Apple pencil pro and the Apple pencil USB-C.
So currently the iPad supports the Apple pencil USB-C and the Apple pencil first generation with the dongle, which is hilarious, but you would expect that within the next 12 to 18 months, they will revise the iPad, the regular iPad and it will support both the Apple pencil pro and the Apple pencil with USB-C. Yeah, it finally makes some sense.
I still think it's going to odd that now we have this pencil pro that is called pro, but it's not exclusive to the iPad pro, so why not just call it Apple pencil three, that part I don't understand, but whatever. Apple pencil USB-C and Apple pencil pro, that's the two pencils that you can use. I think it definitely starts, the pencil line up is making more sense. And now with this iPad mini you're going to be able to do pencil hover.
So like I'm not sure, like if you're an artist and you're serious about illustrations on the iPad, you're probably getting an iPad pro, right? Because of the better display, OLED, refresh rate, size, but still it's kind of nice that you can hover with the Apple pencil, which is like this Apple pencil feature that not a lot of people pay attention to. I actually think it's very nice how the UI responds to the pencil hovering over certain buttons. Oh, I think Apple pencil hover is amazing.
Like I've only used it for the first time, like this year, because I didn't have an iPad that was capable of it. And I absolutely love it. Like I think it makes the Apple pencil significantly better to use.
And I think people forget about it because it feels very natural because it makes it more like a cursor, you know, like all curses you see where you're going to hit before you hit it on the screen, you know, and like, and that's what the Apple pencil pro and or any Apple pencil that supports hover allows for. And I think it's great. I think the Apple pencil pro is fantastic in general. I really, really like that Apple pencil. And I'm happy that the iPad mini is getting that feature too.
Can I share a theory with you? Yeah. So given that they have implemented Apple pencil hover. Technically when you look at the text packs, the display is the same, right? It's a liquid right in a LCD 60 hertz. It appears to be the same display, which is a shame.
But obviously one of the problems of the original, well now the original, the sixth generation iPad mini was the jelly scrolling, which was the problem that due to how the LCD display was refreshing, you may or may not notice one side of the screen moving slightly slower or faster depending on which side you're looking at, then the other half. And it creates this jelly-like effect when you're looking at the whole display because the whole thing looks like it's a jelly scrolling.
It's a great description. Now since they have obviously done something to the display to support hover, I would be shocked if the jelly scrolling is still here. I think the display may look the same, but my theory is that they have done something while they were like, if you're working on it and if the single complaint from people, aside from it's not all ed, it's not promotion, but the single complaint about the previous iPad mini was the jelly scrolling.
And so given that you're doing the work to support Apple pencil hover, why not do something anything? I don't know because I'm not an engineer at Apple, but why not do something to also address the jelly scrolling? So a year ago, there was a selection of rumors that were out. It was actually October last year that Apple were going to try and fix this and they would do it by rotating the LCD controller. Like that's the issue.
You go to put the controller on one side and whatever side you put it on, this can happen. This really is only a thing with the iPad mini-doh and maybe it's because the screen is smaller. And so they were saying that they were potentially going to be rotating it. I am intrigued to see if this actually fixes it or if it makes it worse on the other way.
Like it might be that just like import trade because I would see this and the only ever happened in portrait that maybe with the screen being that narrow and the way that it was done, then it was more obvious. And basically it would look like one half of the display was moving faster than the other. That was the way that it looked.
And so it looks like at least there was some rumors that they were going to fix this got dating a year ago, I will be really intrigued for when people get these to see if it has fixed it or just changed it or what.
I mean, and I always had a theory and my maintain this theory that the display panel in the mini is worse than the air because I went from an air to a mini and just the clarity of the screen to me did not look as good even though all of the specs would indicate they were the same displays. But I think that they were maybe using not as good a version of the same display, but that's purely a conspiracy theory jumped up by me and my eyes.
Yeah. There's been a lot of talk about and you mentioned like things that it didn't add, right? And like, you know, basically here is a list of features which are on the iPad Pro. None of them came to the iPad mini. Should they make a pro version of the mini? Like all of the things that you mentioned, promotion, OLED, nano texture. Are you actually surprised that they didn't add any of these like irrespective of what you want them to do?
You surprised about the fact that essentially this is the same product. Well, I guess what I'm surprised is that they haven't done what Apple typically likes to do, which is upsell people on an even better version of the iPad mini. Right to keep the old one and then have a new one, which is a little bit more expensive. I'm convinced that there are people who would totally buy an iPad mini pro.
Yeah. Imagine an even nicer and more expensive that makes Tim Cook happy, the version of the iPad mini that has a nano texture display that is cellular. You can take it at the beach. And I mean, for a lot of people, good bike handle at that point, right? I mean, it's like an iPad mini with nano texture. That's going to look incredible. Did you say that they announced the color candle today? I saw that today. I saw that.
I'm just surprised that Apple is just making one version of the iPad mini, I guess, because they could potentially make money, a lot of money by having a super, maybe not even super like a high-end iPad mini or maybe another way to look at this is a smaller and even smaller iPad pro. But they've obviously decided that iPad pro should start at 11 inches and I get it. I just arguably though 60 hertz on an iPad in 2024. And I mean, I could also say this about the phones.
And I say this, I say this is someone who can change it. I read an article recently that said it was fine. So I don't know. It's fine for me. It's fine for me and I've gotten used to it. It's okay, but shouldn't the baseline be higher? Is what I'm saying. You know, like a bunch of, you can go to any Android manufacturer for phones and devices that cost a lot less than Apple. And the baseline is 90 hertz at least. So I don't know.
I think it's just a little strange to have an iPad mini that literally looks the same as the previous one after three years. I mean, there's no way that you look at this model and you know that the previous one was October 2021. And this update is exactly the same. And you don't think that's a little strange. Exactly the same. Yeah, I don't find it strange. Okay, I find it strange and like I know what I want, but I don't find it strange in looking at their product lineup.
Like think about the 2020 iPad Pro. It's like we put LiDAR on it. You know, like they do, they do these weird stuff every now and again. Yeah. And like the idea of like a pro iPad mini, I would love, but also I just don't think they can make a $799 iPad mini. Like I just think that that I just don't, I just don't even know I would want it. I just think that the market can't be big enough for them. Somewhere like if they wait another three years, it probably will be old, right?
And like I know that is a really long time to wait, but like I just think that that's what they're going to do. Even though I want it, I just, I always feel like with stuff like this, if they believe that they could make the money, they'd probably do it, right? Like I think that's the one thing about this company for sure. Like if they felt confident, they could charge us more money, they would very happily do that. Maybe this just, it just isn't the right time for this product.
But it is sad to me though, because I wanted a more significant update to the iPad mini, because I, the new, this iPad mini form factor is incredible. It's incredible. And I would have loved them to, to, to step it up whenever they revised it. Like I am definitely, I think they should have OLED. Like that's what I want them to do. I think that that would have been like just a small thing and to be like, oh, this is great. You know, charge 50 always more like whatever.
Like I don't think you need to make an iPad mini pro, but just an OLED display would have, would have really made a big difference to this product and would have made people really excited about it. But the thing that we're supposed to be excited about hasn't even begun shipping won't have shipped when this product starts going on sale. And most of the product, most of the things that they're showing in the press release, we don't know when they're coming still.
Are you referring to Apple intelligence? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because like that's the thing, right? Like what is this iPad mini? Is the iPad mini for Apple intelligence? Right. Right now, because you said that we're supposed to be excited about it. I'm not. But you're not excited about it, but you're supposed to be an Apple size is what I'm saying. Oh, I guess I'm supposed to be. Right. Right. This is the thing that they are pushing is like, you should be excited about this.
Like, you can, I know you're not excited about it. Everybody knows this. But like from Apple's perspective, you should be, right? Like, this is, they want you to be excited. They want everyone to be excited. When I say, a you say, I, you know, like that's what they want. Right. Are you, are you excited, Mike? I mean, I'm using 8.1 and I like some of the features. They do not excite me. Right. But like, I find, I find notification summaries to be a useful feature. It's not exciting.
And the thing is the stuff that they've got coming down the road is even is less exciting. It's actually more annoying to me with the exception of some stuff that is still going to be in point one point to a whatever. It isn't even AI, right? Like the male features, like I'm intrigued about like they're sorting a male. Like, there are features that they are going to be shipping this year that I am excited about, but they're not the AI stuff. And the AI stuff that they have left to ship.
A lot of it I'm not excited about. And some of it, I mean, incredibly skeptical of like the personalized series stuff. Like, I am excited about the potential of that. I am not convinced they will deliver what I'm looking for with that. Right. And I think you would agree that you would be excited if Siri could actually reach into your apps and understand stuff and do things. Like, I know I understand your, the great complexity you have with app intelligence.
I understand it and I empathize with it. But you would be excited if they, if Siri could actually do what you want. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's not like, I mean, I have an opinion on, you know, a bunch of these AI stuff. And how the training was done, but I'm not going to, like, I'm not an idiot. It's not like I'm going to test the things, you know, you can have an opinion.
In fact, I think it's, you know, it would be, it would be a shame to, you know, form an opinion about these things and then never change it again or like never actually try the thing yourself. So I am going to try the thing and the, the, the contextual Siri and the new intense framework for AI. But it is the only thing I'm excited about. I'm just very skeptical of it because like, I mean, we've been burned with Siri for the past how many years?
Like 13. Yeah. So yeah, it's, I mean, forgive me for being skeptical, you know, like it is what it is. I don't know, this hype at me though, it's coming out. There's not going to be Apple intelligence on it. Not that if you were, I could use it because I mean, I'm based in the, in the European union. It's going to look pretty much the same. It's going to be faster as opposed to them before. I am still keen to check it out, you know, I will say this.
The one thing I'm very keen to check out is the Wi-Fi 6C and the Apple Pencil Pro. I guess the Apple Pencil Pro too. But the Wi-Fi 6C, especially like to use the iPad Mini as a game streaming device, I think that's going to be extra nice. Especially when you combine this iPad Mini with a controller that's, you know, one of those controllers that can sort of attach to the sides. It's easier to find those controllers for the iPad Mini than say an 11 inch or 13 inch iPad Pro.
So this is the one thing I really want to check out. But yeah, otherwise, I mean, it is kind of a boring update, but if you care about Apple Pencil Pro, it's, I guess, you're going to be able to use it. This episode is brought to you in part by our friend's Squarespace, the all-in-one website platform for entrepreneurs to stand out and succeed online.
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The new iPad Pro completely solved me and so now I'm in the iPad Pro Camp because of the incredible thinness and lightness of it. We got to go together and see them in Battersea in May. I think that was. We got to see this together. How are you using your iPad right now? How are you using the iPad right now? So I've been working on this story for the past few months really. The short version is that I use it for everything.
The way I look at it is that I spent a couple of years in the wilderness, if you will. You did, yeah. Yeah. It was necessary for me. I tried for six months. I used and I revealed this on the show to you and Steven. For six months I used a couple of years ago at Microsoft Surface Pro and then I switched to MacBook Air and basically almost stopped using the iPad ready. Then I created the Macpad and basically after the M4s came out earlier this year, I decided this computer is so nice.
I just want to try and really go back to the iPad. I feel like it was calling me and I needed to come home so to speak. For the past three months, especially since I decided that I was going to go with the 11 inch iPad Pro instead of the 13 inch and with the nano texture glass instead of the standard glass, I have fallen in love with this machine so badly. And I use it for everything and that's going to be the angle of the story. How I now use the iPad Pro for everything except for one task.
There is one thing that I still cannot do on the iPad because I figured out the podcasting I'm recording this podcast right now on the iPad. But there's one thing that I still cannot do which is it's quite really. It always goes back to that sort of problem. I cannot record video with my external camera while being on a Zoom call at the same time. What I love is this was the problem with podcasting. You found a hardware solution that you there's no point going into today.
Wait for the blog post because it is still complicated. We work together on this. I think me and you collaborated and secret much to the upset of John and Steven. We worked it out for you and we got like we found the thing you needed. But now you come back to the same problem because now you do video podcasts. Yeah. And I know and I know if I go down that route, I know what a potential solution is going to be. Just get a camera that don't do the recording on your iPad Pro using Camo Studio.
Do the recording directly on the camera. You can save the recording to an SD card or something. I mean, you looked at the things like Riverside, like the way you can record in a browser. I just actually asked a friend of the show, Chris Lolli about it this morning. This very question. A Riverside requires a Chromium browser. So they don't have an app. They I'm not I'm just basing this off of what Chris. They have an app. So I don't know what they have an app like to record. I'm sure they do.
Well, this is takes in investigation. I mean, I'm looking at their app in the app store, but I don't know how it works, right? But like maybe you need to have the app open or what? I don't know, but there is interesting. There is a Riverside app. So hmm. Well, I've been using zoom. So I mean, you know, me, the problem is now that I need to switch services. Obviously. But yeah, I need to I need to investigate this more, which is why I've taken forever with this blog post.
I started writing in June. And things have changed. My desk has changed. The gear that I'm using has changed. It's been like a four month longer research process, but the gist of it is I'm not using any other computer right now. It's my 11 inch iPad Pro for all the things and reading, for working, for watching videos. I guess I don't play games on it because I have dedicated gaming handhelds. But yeah, that's I'm back on the iPad all the way. It's good to be home. That's that's my takeaway.
I'm also big time back on the iPad, not to the level that I had been, right? So like pre 2020, basically pre M1, like I was doing what you're doing or what you had been doing, right? Like we were essentially at the same level where I used my iPad for everything other than recording and editing podcasts, like everything. Like I was, you know, I had my iPad in stands. I was using external keyboards and track pads and like the whole nine yards like I and I was very happy.
But then the M1 Mac kind of blew my mind and then I went down that path and never changed. One of the other things for me was when they also produced a good display and then at that point I was like, oh, this actually just, it just works easier for me to just plug my laptop into my display and then just use my Mac. And that was solidified when I moved into my studio because that was easier than kind of unplugging and re-plugging iPads.
And which I tried for a bit but preferred this and then I kind of left the iPad behind. Then I fell in love with the iPad Mini. It was like my home computer and I was doing a bunch of stuff on it. And then the 11 inch iPad Pro called to me, you know, with like OLED display and everything about it, like just loved it because I'd not use an OLED iPad. And now I have two iPads. I have two iPad Pros and I have. This is wild. Yeah. I need to understand this.
Okay. So the 11 inch iPad Pro is my home computer and it is the device that I use most when I'm at home. Like I use it all the time. I love that expression. It's such a throwback. The home computer. It's like it's like it's in the computer room and everybody goes and they sit at it and then they use the iPad.
And like so it's kind of for me being what it is, like it splits into kind of two use cases and it's usually like morning and evening because I'm typically in the middle of the day and we've work or I'm doing things at home or out and about in the weekends or whatever. So in the morning, my 11 inch iPad Pro, which I don't have a smart keyboard for, I don't have any smart keyboards at all. I just use my iPad in a smartphone. So in the morning, I like checking messages, checking emails.
I'm starting my maybe starting from the show prep in the morning, which could either be like so like today, for example, Brad does the like 90% of the show prep for the pan addict, but I'll go in and read what he is. The articles that you've dropped in and the notes you've dropped in and I'll also bringing questions from listeners and follow up and stuff. And I can do that all in my iPad really easily. It doesn't take too much time. So I'll do that in the morning.
And then like for starting connected prep, I'll just go from my RSS. Well, I'm just kind of like a nice easy thing to do. I'm kind of like just going through it. I'm not really reading articles. I'm just like scanning, scanning headlines and scanning the first few things and then, like sending, sending them to my Apple note to read later on because I think they might be interesting for the show or whatever. And then I'll also do like, I'll open to do it.
I'll do some task triage, you know, make sure like the things that I've got in today, like, am I going to do them today? I'll show them things that other days. So it's like those kinds of like early in the day activities and all of those kinds of activities, I think are fantastic for the iPad, like perfect, right? Like, I really like a touch interface for this kind of stuff. I think it works really well. It's very comfortable.
And you know, anything where you're dealing with like text, like the iPad is just perfect for, right? Like the quality of the screen, all this kind of stuff like wonderful. And then in the evening, I use my 11-inch iPad Pro for watching videos, like I watch a lot of YouTube on my iPad. And then just like social media. And what I refer to is Newt Link, which is just like the expression of the great love of the iPad. Yeah, I see love. I see love. The Newt Link computer. Yeah, I see love.
The Newt Link computer. Yeah. Where you're kind of bouncing around from one thing to another thing. You know, like, you're not really doing a task of any kind. You're just kind of like, I'm checking this over here. You're not checking that over there. You're Newt Link. You're Newt Link around. You're Newt Link. So that's my 11-inch iPad Pro, which is like, I don't know if you ever have this term, personal computer. It's one of those for me. Right. It's my own personal computer.
And then my 13-inch iPad Pro is a dedicated device for Cortex brand. Wow. Okay. That's what this product is for. It lives at the studio. And it lives on a particular table that I have for design, like for product design. So I just leave it on there. And when I'm at my design table, I only use this device. And so it has specific apps on it, which are for this work. It's signed into specific services that are just for Cortex brand. Like, I don't have everything on this device.
Like I set it up fresh and I just add the things that I need. So for this iPad Pro, like what I like, there's a bunch of things I like about it. And why I wanted to get this? Because I have the 11 and I was very happy. But the 13-inch iPad Pro gives a larger canvas for sketching. So I do a lot of sketching and also brainstorming, which I like to do with written and is really good to just use an Apple pencil for this stuff.
Some sketching I will do on paper and then I can also scan those with the iPad Pro as well. At the moment, I've actually really, a while ago on the show, I spoke about like wanting to look at infinite canvas applications. And a lot of people recommended a few especially concepts to me. Freeform is where I've landed. I think that some of these applications are just way more complex than I need. And like for me, the basic set of pencil kit tools and an infinite canvas, it just works really well.
And then freeform also is just like a super good for sharing with the people. Like it's so built into the ecosystem. Freeform is underrated, I think. I think you need to have a specific task that freeform is good at to value its quality.
Like if you're not doing something, which is like this, like brainstorming or whatever, like for me, it's like, I'm starting sketching an idea and then I'm drawing arrows because now I'm like, and what I like about the infinite canvas apps is I don't need to worry about where the edge of the pages or I don't have to work in a linear form. Like if I'm working in an Apple note, I'm just going down the whole time.
But what I like about freeform is I can start with sketching the middle and I can draw like blow up parts of it, like I want to draw a specific detail or something I was working on recently. Like by the time that I ended it, what I thought might be a decent idea, it was very far on the left because I just kept drawing left because what I drew in the middle, what I drew on the right and left, I liked the idea on the left more so I just kept going. And I really liked that about freeform.
You kind of just keep going into your done and yeah, it's just a cool product. I would like them to actually do more freeform in the Vision Pro. I would like to be able to stand up and draw on a freeform board in Vision Pro. Like you can in the meta horizons, you can use a digital whiteboard which I think is a really cool thing. And I would like them to do that kind of stuff for freeform. But yeah, so we use that for product designing stuff, sketching and brainstorming.
But also I really like a product evaluation so this can take a couple of different forms. So this can either be like I have a product that I'm working on, I have a prototype of it. And I want to kind of write some notes down. So I'll leave a, you know, I'll just type on the keyboard or I will speak aloud. Something I found recently which was really helpful. So we're working on pocket notebooks at Cortex brand which will be coming next year.
And I wanted to try and kind of like think, I was sitting down and thinking to myself, like how, how do I describe these to people? What is our market message for like what the product is, what it's for? And I just opened notion and I turned on dictation and just started talking, which I, I'd never really done before. And it was more of just like, let me talk through my feelings of the product which I found to be better than trying to write them out.
So I'm looking at it, I'm holding it and like, it does this, it does that. Like I like it because of this. I like using it for that. And it's just like a lot of stuff that I can go through and edit. But I found that to be pretty cool. It's like a way to just evaluate a product. And then also I take pictures and video with the iPad, which I can share, like I can take a picture of a prototype and kind of like share that with whoever needs to see it.
But something I've also found to be really useful. Like when I'm working with, I work with a lot of creative people now and like designers and stuff. I'm not very good at writing, design feedback. I'm better at speaking it. So most of the time I'll just record a video with my iPad and just be like, look, you can see how it does this. I would like you to do something different.
And like the designer that I work with is named David, he finds this to be so much more helpful than the madness that I write down. And I'm like, I start writing and then I'll like send it. I'm like, I'll wait. No, I actually mean this. And it just sometimes like he has just said to me, he's like, I actually don't know what you're talking about anymore. And so this is when I started taking videos because like what can be helpful is like, you know, sometimes I'm like, no, I want a line to be.
You lined up with this, rather than lined up with that. And it's helpful for me to just take a video where I'm pointing my finger or something as opposed to trying to explain it abstractly. So I, you know, what I actually really love about using my iPad pro this way is I feel like I am the type of person like I'm doing the type of work that Apple imagines someone might do with an iPad. Like I feel like I went for the product design stuff, it feels more like the ideal iPad customer.
You are the commercial. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I'm doing this stuff and I'm like, yes, I feel like I am the type of person that sometimes when you go to like Apple events or whatever, they will have kind of like people set up like working, right? Like this is them actually what when they're not really working, they're like demoing how they work, right?
I've seen stuff like as I've been to events at the Apple put on before where they're like showing like I went to one with the Mac pro once where they had like people from different fields like someone was a photo editor, someone was a video editor, someone was a game designer and they're just like showing you how they use the product. And this is how I feel when I use my iPad pro this way around like this is how they imagine somebody uses an iPad pro. Like I'm doing those things, you know.
Nice. And that's how I use my iPads. That's great. I'm happy for you. It's good to have you back. I'm back big time. These iPad pros men. They're good. They're good. They're so good. They're so good. I don't care that the iPad mini didn't get better. Like, you know, if they had to put all this effort in at the sacrificing of the iPad mini, I'm happy with that. I agree with that. Yep. This episode is brought to you by Express VPN.
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I thanks to Express VPN for the support of this show and relay. I have a quick, very small surprise for you, mate. Okay. So you know me, I like to try all the things. I like my options. So yeah, I decided, you know what? It's been a while. I kind of want to try the AirPods Max again. Oh, you pull things. Okay. That's how it goes. I want to try the AirPods Max again. I thought, well, I'm going to get the USB-C version in Starlight. And if I don't like them, I got a 30 day return window.
Sure. It was my thought. Apple also, you know, obviously they have a store on Amazon now. So you're buying the, you're buying from Apple about via Amazon. I got to tell you like, and I like obviously having USB-C is part of the reason why I sold the previous AirPods, AirPods Max was that I hated charging them with Lightning so much using just the one Lightning cable with those headphones like it annoyed me so much.
And when I got them, I got to tell you like, as someone who's not that huge on noise cancellation, because I actually don't need to cancel noise that frequently. As pure wireless headphones, they sound incredible. They're still, they still sound incredible. These Starlight Color looks so elegant compared to the previous Space Gray one that I had years ago. I really, really liked the way that it looks. I liked the color of the case. I liked everything about these headphones. But it was a problem.
When I was putting them on, after 15 to 20 minutes, I could feel the pain on my head because they were clamping onto my head too tight. And I was really annoyed about that. Like I forgot that this was an issue with the previous AirPods Max. I don't think the shape of my head has changed in the past year since I sold my first gen Max. I don't know if it's like slightly different in terms of like the shape of the headphone arms, you know, how they clamp onto my head.
But after 20 minutes, I could feel the pressure on the sides of my head. Actually, you know what it is? I'm using different glasses. I'm using the Metarei bands that have thicker arms. That's what it is. That's what, just now I'm realizing what the difference is. They're thicker. Therefore, I was feeling the clamping of the AirPods Max too much.
And so I was kind of generally kind of bummed out about this because I loved the sound so much and rotating the dial like it's small thing, but rotating the digital crown. The digital crown on the AirPods Max is better than the digital crown on the watch. Yes, it's so nice. It's so nice. And like a physical control for playing pause. Yes, thank you. One of my favorite things, because they have the two buttons, right? So you have the play pause, which is on the crown.
And then you have the like big button for nice cancellation transparency. When I'm on a plane, which is really the only place that I use these things, if someone's talking to me, it's hitting them both at the same time. It poses what I'm watching and turns on transparency. Yeah, really nice. Yeah, very nice. But I was in pain, right? It was bothering me. And so I googled how to make AirPods Max more comfortable, simple Google search. And I landed on this Reddit thread from four years ago.
And sometimes when I reach this Reddit thread, what I like to do is I like to scroll down to the comments, and I like to sort the comments by date. Because usually when something is from a few years ago, it's the top result on Google. For these kinds of problems, there's always the people coming in years after the original thread was posted to say, four years later, this worked for me. Thank you so much. And so Mike, I'm going to send you a video on I message.
And I want you to not get scared for what you're about to see. So the video is sending now. I did something that was recommended in this thread. The title of the thread was finally solved the AirPods Max clamping force tightness. I believe you have received a video that I shot that I shot with my meta-ray bands. And please describe what you're looking at. So Federico is essentially opening the AirPods Max to a completely horizontal degree.
They are absolutely stretched fast to the point where they should break. Yeah. So this technique. This technique, so do not do this to your AirPods Max. I am not responsible. If you try this, it's your responsibility, not mine. I'm just sharing my personal experience. This technique is called super stretching the AirPods Max. Why do why? All right. Why do people have to name everything? Why why does this need a name?
Because well, because humans communicate with words and we need words to express what we do, I suppose. So the idea is you super stretch the AirPods Max. They're going to bend. They're not going to break. You can stretch them to 170, 180 degrees, 190 degrees, which is more like more... This is not what I thought. So this is not a mod. You just keep stretching them. Yeah. So you can break them. I'm expecting if you stretch them wrong. There is a point where they will break. I'm sure.
But if you do, well, again, don't do this. If you do it, it's your call, not mine. But I followed what the person on Reddit was saying. Like you do this for like 30 to 60 seconds. You do it a couple of times and it's going to make a world of difference. Let me tell you Mike, I've done this. My word is it better. Like I can now wear these headphones for like hours and I don't feel anything anymore. It's the most comfortable thing I've ever done.
Like seriously, this single thing stretching the AirPods Max to basically... Be almost completely flat to the point where you think they're not supposed to go that way. But they do and they don't break. You do this for like two times for 30 seconds. It's been incredible. And I am so happy. I can now wear these. I don't feel any pressure on my head anymore. I can wear my Meta Rayband glasses. They're thicker than before.
But I don't care because these are so comfortable now and they stay comfortable. I guess I have... You do this and you bend the metal a little. I don't know what else to say. The technique works and check out the comments. Sort the comments by date in that red thread. The top comment right now, the most recent one is, thank you so much for this. You literally saved my Max's life. Hello from 2024. This worked and thank you. Again, if you try this, don't say Federico told me to do this.
Make an informed decision. I'm just sharing my experience. This worked and I love it. I will say if you do do this, you should go to this red thread and say, Federico told me to do this with no context. No, no, no. No context at all. Just Federico told me to do this. Have you ever come to cross the... It's a concept in horticulture and plant called forcing. Forcing. It's where you convince a plant to grow in a certain way. Oh yeah, that's what I do with my plants.
Yeah. So that's what this feels like. Yeah. You're just like you're gently stretching it over time to kind of... You tell it to go in one direction. Yeah, she's supposed to be this way. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. So just, you know, I did a mod, my AirPods Max. I did not install any weird thing. I just, I super stretched the headphones. Yeah. If you would like to find this red thread, it's in the show notes. I put it in there, which you can find at Realized Out of Phams, I should connect it.
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