Hello and welcome to episode 503 of the Connected Podcast from Relay FM. This episode is brought to you by Net Sweet, E-cam, One Password and FitBod. My name is Mike Hurley and I have the pleasure of welcoming to the show, Federico Viteci. Hello Mike, how are you? Hello Federico. It's good to be back here, it's good to talk to you and happy to be back. It's good to talk to Steven, hello Steven. Hello boys, it is good. We're all together again. Yes, which is nice.
Mike, I hope you had a good time off. I did. And now we're back. We're back. And that means we start with follow up. Follow up. You got to do something that's got to do the sound, you know? Follow up. Follow up. iOS 17.5.1 is out. This fixes an issue that it kind of fell between our episodes a little bit where deleted pictures were reappearing for some users.
A lot of people wrote the headlines of the iPhone is undeleting your nudes because obviously that's what people are going to recognize immediately in their photo rolls that have been deleted. Right. If you took 17 pictures of your kids soccer game and two show back up, you're not going to notice that, but new pictures you probably will horrific bug. I really hope that everyone had to work late and over the weekend to fix this. Unexcuseable, but it seems to be fixed in 17.5.1. So good job.
But I would like to call attention to this one other thing. Right. So this bug happened. We also had that thing a few weeks ago, which I spoke about an upgrade where a bunch of Apple IDs got locked and had to reset the passwords, right? Both of these things have come and gone. Apple's not saying anything about it because this photo's saying, how did this happen? They, I believe they need to answer this. Yes, they do. Because if I have deleted a photo, that photo should be gone, right?
Why does it still exist? Exactly. The photos that I have chosen to delete that Apple tells me will be deleted after 30 days. How did they come back? How did that happen? Like there were reports where I don't know if this is true or not, but there were reports that I was reading that some people were getting photos from a previous device owner. Well, that was like one report on Reddit. Yeah. I mean, you can't be sure of that. I don't think that was the fact.
Enough to say that photos that were deleted were coming back and they were longer than 30 days even. So where and why are these photos being stored and how on earth did they come back again? Like, I think there needs to be an explanation for this. You're right. You're totally right. I cannot believe Apple hasn't said anything about all that log in reset stuff. But between the two, they need to have some sort of statement. Because like, this is, it's serious.
I mean, the nude headlines are one thing, but like all sorts of terrible things can happen when this comes up. And it definitely raises the question in my mind as well. Like, does deleting not mean deleting? Like, is it, are these hanging out on a server somewhere? Are they still in my eye cloud account? Just like hidden away somehow? Yeah. They're news to be explanation around this. But if that hasn't been mine now, probably won't be.
Because like, they've been pretty good recently, getting their statements out. And these are things that people are asking for comment on and they're not giving any. That's not what you think. That's not what you think. Deleting. It's not what you think. I love it. That's so good. That's so good. Teacher, you are the king of moderating. Not moderating. Moderating. Yes, I'm moderating. You are the king of moderation. You're the king of moderation. Moderating. Modifying. Jeez. iPads.
Moderateifying. Moderateifying. Moderateifying. Magic keyboards and iPads and Macs. We're going to talk about Macpad 2.0 in a little while. Can you walk me through what's going on with this magic keyboard mod that's floating around? Yeah, so I saw these posts on threads. This person noticed that the magic keyboard felt more, felt more tippy when used on a desk compared to the previous one.
And the problem is that the hinge, the redesigned hinge of the magic keyboard, doesn't touch the desk or any flat surface when the keyboard is open and you're typing on your iPad. And this person's solution, Chris Newman on threads, was to just simply attach some clear silicon bumpers, like some clear rubber feet, essentially, to the hinge and stabilize the keyboard and it works. And this is something that I also noticed.
I'm going to do this mod myself, not exactly for this reason, but because the new hinge, I don't like how it scratches my kitchen table because it's like flat, this flat aluminum bar on my kitchen table. And my kitchen table is made of ceramic. And so I don't want this thing to get the hinge to be ruined by the texture of my kitchen table. So I'm just going to apply this clear plastic bumpers, exactly like Chris did on threads to solve that problem. So yeah, that's what I'm going to do.
It's a clever, simple mod that doesn't involve avoiding any warranty for your magic keyboard. So I have something that I think you'll enjoy Federico, those little rubber guys. Three M created a product like this and they call them bumpons. Oh my god. And I think you'd like that word bumpons, B-O-N, B-U-M, P-O-N, bumpon. Bumpon. Bumpon. Bumpon. And I can get them Friday. And I know this because in keyboards, this is what people just call them.
So like these are very, this type of little rubber feet that like they're on all mechanical keyboards because you don't want the metal on the desk and also it stops the keyboard from moving around. And so that's where I learned to turn bumpons because I have a bunch of bumpons. So bumpons are great. I put them on everything like in my like what you are for those rolling squares I am for bumpons. Like I have them on a tons of stuff in my house.
Like things that go on kitchen counters and stuff to stop them moving around like cotton boards and I'm bumping on everything. Bump, bumpons. I've used them to replace feet on like computers I get into the collection. Because sometimes those rubber feet are like really sticky or they come off and what's great about me go to the hardware store and they come in all sorts of sizes and like clear or you know brown or black, round square like it's a great technology. Bumpon.
Bumpon. Bumpon. Listen to Greg wrote in and connected 502 Federico wondered why the body's default remedy to many situations is to throw up. I yes, yes I did. If what you see doesn't seem to agree with your other senses what your other senses are telling you about your motion. One thing that can cause this is ingesting something poisonous. The body simply decides to get rid of everything in case something in it is causing harm. Huh. There you go.
Okay. So this is like a natural reflex or something that the human body thinks that it ingested something and something it's like all let me throw it up. You know as a precaution. Makes sense. Yeah, you eat some wild mushrooms and the forest and suddenly the ground starts moving. Yeah, it's a good thing just to toss it overboard. Yeah, I was recently talking to a friend. She relocated to New Zealand a few years ago.
Don't like the typical story of like abandoning all of her belongings from her previous life. She's a couple of years younger than me and she tried to sell me on this idea that it's actually good for you to microdose on mushrooms. It's like if you do it in small quantities, it's fine. It's like, yeah, I'm not going to say. I'm not going to say. Thank you. It's just like, no, it's actually great for your creativity. It's like, yeah, thank you. But no, I'm better than that.
I mean, you know, a hypercard came out of an LSD trip. So did it. Did. Oh, no. Okay. We should all microdose some mushrooms and see where it is. Maybe we should consider the mushrooms. Can you imagine how funny this show would be if we were all on mushrooms? Someone might cut a MacBook Air in half. Someone might, but the other way, it's not what you think. It's just like half of the screen off the keyboard.
Or you know, like, I take the screen out of my studio display and like stick an iPad to it. It's like, it's like the inverse of the Macpad. I want to split it around and you're just like, you're reaching around and you're like touching the back, you know, and the voice happening on the front. It's like perfect. That's the way it's. Speaking of microdosing. Yes. Speaking of being high, humane is looking for a buyer. This is according to Mark Herman and Bloomberg.
No, no, they're going to need a big dose, not a microdose, but they're going to be the big dose of money. This is the whole basket of mushrooms. Tell us the price. Like, so Mark Herman is reporting that they're trying to sell themselves so they're engaging with financial middle people and they are looking for a price somewhere between 750 million to a billion. Holy, holy.
Which look, I mean, the thing is, if they're going to sell, this is the kind of money they need because of how much money they've raised. Like, we can make a lot of arguments as to whether they're worth that money. I'm not sure they are, but they might have an amount of intellectual property that's interesting. I don't know how you would value any of that, but this is like, they need to return money to the people that invested in them, right? So they're going to sell it has to be for this.
I think someone will buy them and don't think someone will pay that amount of money. Like, I think they'll probably end up just like everyone just gets what they paid in, which is probably like half a billion or something. Someone's going to buy them, I think. Yeah, it's the world's most expensive laser. That's why we need a laser. I think that they are probably genuinely like interesting to some company because they did produce a piece of hardware that looked nice, right?
And there aren't a lot of people that can do that, I feel, but I'm not surprised by this. Like, where else are they going to go? It's either this or it goes out of business, probably, right? I think realistically. I made the joke to you guys early when we were talking about this and I messaged that if I was Tim Cook, I would buy them and force them to work on the iPhone. That's what I would do. You said the iPhone SE. I did say the iPhone SE specifically because it's the least exciting iPhone.
Sorry, iPhone SE users. You see, I didn't want to say that because I didn't want the follow up. But yeah, that's what I would do. I mean, I had a lot to say about the smartphone, get back to work on the smartphone. That's what I would do. But you know, Stephen, did you make a decision about your social media username yet? I did. Okay. I am the real Mike Hurley. I'm also sorry. Please stand up. Please do so. Mike Hurley official. I'm Moms Spaghetti. Slash the real Mike Hurley. You're a liar.
As always. As always. Geez. Yeah, I'm just sticking with I some H86. So I'm done. Also, you've gone everywhere now. Yes. You can't. I don't know if I said this on the show, but you can't just change a message on username, which is. Yeah. That's not surprising. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. I'm not surprised at all. It's the surprise in those. You have to think about it. You have to create a new account. And then you can migrate the account.
But the migration only moves your followers. So people who follow you will follow your new account. You have to export a CSV that import it to your new account to have people you follow come over to your new account. Why is that not in the migration? And there's no way to move your content. So all your old postures go away. just fine, I don't care. But it's very complicated. And this is now the second time I've done
it, because I went from massadon.social to eWorld.social and now this. And it's kind of a pain. But you know, open web, what are you gonna do? It's fun to search for you right now. Yeah, there's so many six of me. There's so many Stevens. I know. So I have a couple of questions for you. One, did you say that you lose the posts? So you keep the posts? You lose them. Well, they don't move to your new account. So they're effectively gone.
Oh, because also when I search for you, I find the threads version of you as well. Yeah, because I have that federated and fettied. That is actually broken at the moment. So I went to the threads interface. I was like, oh, I changed what account I need to go to. So I turned it off and you can't turn it back on for like 30 days. Makes sense. Because you don't want to federate too hard. So it is not federating right now, but it will again. Because I think that's, I think that's good.
Mums, moms fed, fed, fed, getty. fed daddy fed fed fed fed a fed averse getting. So yeah, I don't, you know, it's not my favorite thing in the world, but it's done. So it's done. Yeah. So let this be a lesson to you and everyone. Don't delete accounts on social media. Right. Like if you want to take a break, delete the app. Don't delete the account because then you end up in this scenario, you know. Yeah. Like it's, I think it's rare that somebody changes a username to add numbers,
but Stephen had to do it. So don't delete accounts. Don't, don't do it. I was mad because Instagram got bought and raised quit. And I should, I should have just, just, yeah. Just, just done it. And that's what I do with my Twitter account. It's just like locked and yeah. Yeah. Yeah. My Twitter account is just like, just like a ghost. Yeah. You know, it really is. I think I even changed my profile to black and white to make it look
like I'm dead. Wow. Wow. I did. I have this thing. If I ever see a black and white photo of someone, I've immediately assumed that they've died. Yeah. Do you ever feel this? Yeah. Like if you're on Instagram, if someone posts a black and white photo of someone, I'm like, oh, no, they're dead. That's my initial thought. I don't like that. I just went to Twitter because I was going to look at my account. It redirected to x.com. And one password doesn't work because all my URLs
saved in one password are for Twitter.com. Not x.com. I'll just never log in again. Yeah, whatever. I did not change my account by going at it right now. But what I find so funny right now is you go to like a Twitter page and you very quickly see it and then they put up a thing with this login. And I find that so funny. Like it's so broken. It is so broken. It is, uh, it is dead. Rest in
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Our thanks to net suite for the support of the show and relay FM. So we should talk about headphones. There's always there's a new headphone king in town. Maybe I don't know. Sonos. They have officially unveiled their widely speculated and previously rumored and shown on a bunch of websites. Sonos ace headphones. These are all these are over here wireless headphones that look pretty good, I would say. They are reminiscent of the AirPods Max in some ways.
The design of the headband and the arms and the removable sort of magnetic cups that you can that you can remove and replace whenever you want. And they have of course some unique integrations with the Sonos ecosystem. I will leave you to there's a bunch of videos that you can go check out, but I think Chris Welch's first look on the verge is a pretty good one. Chris is the headphone guy on the verge. Excellent coverage all the time. He's also been like breaking news about these
products for their entire existence. Yeah. Yeah. It's very funny that they do continue. And I'm playing. You know what I like about Sonos actually is they continue to give this access to Chris. When Chris is like the key person posting the leaks. Yeah. Yeah. I respect that. I respect that about a company. Right. That like that this person is like they are on your beat, but like he's still there in the press events. You know, like I respect that about Sonos. Yeah more companies
should be like that. So yeah, these headphones they have. So the first unique integration is of course the support for private listening. So if you're at home and you have Sonos sound bars or other Sonos equipment. Just Sonos sound bars. Just Sonos sound bars. Okay. So you can put your put on your headphones and you can sort of transfer the audio from the sound bar to the headphones. If you want to join in and just listening using your headphones. They have these. What's
any of the buttons that they have? The content button. The content key. Content key. Yeah. The content key which is this metal slider that you can use to adjust volume and press to play and pause as well as to long press if you want to beam the audio from the TV to the headphones. They look pretty good. I think they're not made of aluminum as the AirPods Max. They have a really cool looking case that also uses magnets to line up the different parts that
you need to store and carry. I'm not going to buy this but we do have a long time at this point. Sonos customer. The real Mike Hurley. What do you think about this Sonos 810? headphones. I think that it's interesting the decisions that they made. I think they made the right decisions though. These headphones do not integrate with the Sonos system that you would be used to as a Sonos customer. You can't put these headphones. You can't be listening to
something of Sonos speakers and then have that music also play in the headphones. It doesn't work like that. These are Bluetooth headphones first and foremost. Then they have the one integration with the Sonos system which is the if you have the moment it's just their most expensive sound bar but they're going to be bringing it to the other sound bars where you can do this thing of like watching something on TV and now I can just bring that audio to me and I can you know and it's
these are fully featured headphones. They've got Dolby Atmos and surround sound and they say they have best-in-class noise cancellation. They're transparent. So if you are a Sonos customer it's weird because here's like a Sonos product that doesn't work like a Sonos product but I actually think this was the right decision because I think it would have been weirder to be like here's a pair of headphones and you can only listen to them in your house. That would have been
very strange as a product to exist. So I think that this is a smart product of like what I hope that they have done here is we have made an excellent pair of headphones that are Bluetooth headphones you listen to them when your phone you know your iPad when you're traveling and then it may bring more people into the Sonos ecosystem right where like I really like these what
else do they do so like that might be a thing that we see more of. For me I am obviously very intrigued about this product because I am a big fan of Sonos stuff we spoke about it in the pro show but I know that I noticed it's a bit controversy about the app right now the app is fine for me because I don't I'm not I don't use the features that I'm missing and I actually like the new design.
And I I'm intrigued about these headphones I'm very intrigued to see the full reviews like how good is the noise cancellation but really what I want or what would be best for me is I want AirPods Max 2 that's what I want because like what I want is all of the stuff that's in my AirPods pro
but in my AirPods Max I want active transparency I want USB-C I want voice like conversation detection like I want all that stuff and that's obviously not what the Sonos has because that's Apple stuff so I'm just going to sit hoping and wait in for the AirPods Max 2 because I don't want
to buy two sets of $400 headphones within like a year or whatever you know and I would say like the AirPods Max they are still excellent headphones even though they miss a bunch of features but they are still super good so if I didn't have any of these and I was maybe making a decision
about a pair of headphones to buy I could see myself making this decision based on how good or not the reviews are but I I would struggle to replace my AirPods Max of these when if AirPods Max 2 come which I do think they still will then I would want those more but these are this is an interesting
product I think they've done a I think this you know looks way more compelling as a version 1 product than you would expect a version 1 product to be right like just like the overall fit and finish of these look really really good yeah yeah I agree Mike you have an iPad pro tell us about it
yeah so I love my iPad pro I have an 11 inch iPad pro I've had it since that a day and I am enamored by this product I am excited to use it okay it makes me happy to use it which is a feeling that comes along not every time that I have a new Apple product right
you know like recently like obviously the vision pro because it was all brand new but like I think about something like the iPhone 12 not 14 what was the one that went flat sides was it 14 no I think it was the 12 okay so that one was like oh I loved that phone right because it was like
this is so nice and new in its way or even to an L to a point that the 15 because of the lightness but not it didn't have as much or I think about something like my Apple Watch Ultra which is like the first Apple watch in many years and all the the M2 MacBook Air because like
there it is devices they take these big leaps and for me coming from an iPad mini huge leap right like and as well like the last iPad pro that I used was a 2020 iPad pro so the best screen technology I have was promotion I never had many LEDs are going to an OLED it's fantastic
all of the new pencil stuff is incredible I found last night that if you use you know I I still now I'm using an iPad pro again I'm using my Apple pencil was the navigation as well as I am for like scribbling around but they added a little all haptic for if you long press on stuff
so if you long press on stuff the pencil clicks it's like great I love that I want that all these little details are just fantastic I love I love the new smart folio the fact that I can put it in different orientations is a little fiddly but it does the job yeah this I think this
iPad's fantastic I'm super super happy with it and you know I spoke about it's not great but like I don't have any road desire to use my iPad for more than what Apple wants you to use an iPad for and like this is no shade on any friends of mine right like I have I have lived that life you
talking about me you know I don't know anyone you know Stephen maybe but I've been in those trenches I lived out life but now I just I use my iPad for content consumption and I'm very happy with that and this one is like it's fantastic it's fantastic because it's all content looks and feels
better on it so thin super light like I'm still have I pick it up and I'm like man that's so light yes this is just for me an incredible production I'm very happy with it you know that Apple pencil squeeze has never worked for me have you adjusted the sensitivity no no no what I mean is
that I go in settings and I assign run a shortcut as an action okay for for the squeeze then I back out of that page right I go to the previous screen and it says squeeze turned off I open the setting again I say when I squeeze run a shortcut then I go back and it says off
and so I rebooted my iPad I installed 17.5.1 I tried again it's like the setting doesn't stick for me like so the squeeze is currently useless on my iPad pro so have you played around with it without the shortcut they know like just just in notes and so
I would I guarantee you shortcuts I can I can barely hold the pencil in my hands like I don't even know like yesterday I had to fill out a form using a pen I was like do I even know how to write anymore oh boy yeah well I like it but if it didn't work for me I would also I would be unhappy you know
yeah yeah so hopefully it'll get I put us right you know yeah what are you gonna do yeah what are you gonna do it's a thing go macOS on it now I'm skinny but maybe Stephen if you kept yours yeah yeah it's nice nice I gotta say is the listener of the show last week just a great moment just a
great moment no that was a classic Stephen and Stephen the notes that he had an iPad which I I knew was gonna happen like I was very confident it was gonna happen but it was beautiful the way it was unveiled to the world federico would ask me before we hit record I just didn't answer
I'm just talking about something else what is that we're talking about in the show I go okay yeah talking about it on the show uh what about your iPad mini mic is it is it gonna be be jettison to a family member or you know I think it's gonna have to be I'm giving it a little bit more time
because what I thought I would want to keep it for is for reading comics at night because the screen is so small and the products is so small it makes it very easy to hold right we're like the 11 inch while thin and light is still bigger you know what I mean and it's like it makes it a bit more
cumbersome but the screen is just so much better right so like the the comics I'm reading look better on an OLED screen than the yeah I would say subpar LCD screen of the it is I've had many other it's not as good as the other iPads and so I keep looking at that minion I'm like I love
you little guy but I'm just not sure I don't think I can do it like I think I've got to go you've got a good time together no it's time to move on yeah we had a great time together me and Patrick like Patrick we had a wonderful love affair but I think I think it's time to love
you would see yeah okay I'm gonna let go of my short king and I'm gonna talk about it now let's just look in for some something else I wonder what you're gonna say this Steven I just now just now I just stopped I'm just stop miss you just immediately just jess and I that one we're done
you don't have the magic keyboard you're just using the smart folio I got a smart folio uh in denim it's a useless color but it's it's nice like and I think I think it was an upgrade Jason says something that blew my mind it was like I keep my iPad pro in the folio and then I put it in
the magic keyboard or I need the keyboard and I've always used mine the other way around and so I'm gonna give that a try I'm gonna leave the magic keyboard at my desk like in the drawer and then when it's time to like take it someplace to a meeting or something or want to you know do a
little light email or something on it then then slap it in the keyboard see how that goes because it doesn't feel drastically thinner with the magic keyboard on it compared to the old one it is but the smart folio really makes it feel thinner that's a good idea keeping it
because I've also been like now that you mentioned it I've also been doing it the other way around like it's always in the magic keyboard and I've been keeping like the smart folio usually on my night stand because that's what I want to do like non-work things on the iPad at night like watching
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Federica we've all been holding our breath waiting to see what you were going to do with the macpad with the new mac with the new iPad pro out i know you went to the 13 inch this time you have a story on mac stories about some of this how's that gone are you liking it how's the OLED life with the macpad it's incredible all ed looks really really nice on macOS making the ipad pro ready for the macpad was like a 10 minute deal i just i i i knew that i was going to have to get that i needed to get
like this back cover that i had to cut just like i did with the previous one attached three magnet three magnets to it and then it was good to go because like the macbook was already of course half of the macbook was already good to go i just needed to prepare the mounting system which
will be the back cover on the ipad with three magnets lined up and yeah there was a 10 minute deal and i just ran my shortcut to enable sidecar and there it was macOS on OLED which looks fantastic i mean the wallpapers look especially good um and even like something the
Jason mentioned in his review of the ipad pro which is you can you can tell the quality of OLED even just by looking at things like black text on a white background like i also noticed that on macOS with like the names of folders and files in finder when you're using light mode like
i can tell that the black color of the text is crisper and darker than before which is nice um and yeah then then like i guess the the more interesting part of this experiment which is something that i'm still working on is um something that is still a bit of a working progress
and that is so in this current version of the macpad when i detach the screen so when i grab the ipad the ipad i only have a back cover for it right uh it doesn't have a front anymore um and i was thinking about this and i realized well it's that's not convenient like it works as a
mounting system but then i don't have a folio anymore like it's just the back because the the front i cut with an ipad and so i started thinking is there a way that i can actually keep the best of both worlds which would be attached the ipad as a screen for the macpad but also when i detach it
i can have a folio that does all the things that folio does which is there's a front cover and you can fold it and you can prop it up on your lap or on a desk or you can use it to type in landscape or something so i started playing around with these ideas and i had a first version
based on a mod for the apple smart folio i attached three magnets to the front of the smart folio and i realized that if i fold the folio in a particular way which is different from the default one there was a way to attach there's a photo of mac stories that shows what i mean
there was a way to attach the folio without cutting anything to the macpad but when i did that i noticed that the ipad would tilt backwards because that folded section the ipad essentially became a lever and it would cause it would cause that folded section to well unfold because of the weight
so i put together this very ugly i gotta say it's very ugly it works but it's ugly prototype that uses a velcro strip to keep that folded section together and so go check out the photos because it's easier to see in practice what i mean this solution works and i've been using
it it's a way to keep a working smart folio that when you detach the ipad from the macbook it's still a smart folio that you can fold that you can close on top of the ipad i don't love this first version because i i i used magnets there are too big
so i want to do a second revision with smaller magnets and also i used too much velcro i tried as i mentioned in the story i tried replacing velcro with microstuction tape it doesn't work because the the weight of the ipad is too much so i will need to use velcro again maybe i can find
a thinner velcro but for sure i got to use less of it because i was a little too concerned in this first take on this experiment and i used too much and so in the second revision if i can find thinner velcro that would be ideal but also use less of it the velcro is to kind of hold
the cover of the smart cover out of the way basically right yes yes so if you take a look at the photos when the when the front part of the cover folds on itself and you and i attach it to the magnets without the velcro the ipad would tilt backwards the magnets need to be stuck to the
rigid part of the small cover yes yes which goes on the back yeah okay yes yes so that part because of the weight of the ipad it's because the ipad in that configuration is very top heavy so the top part of the ipad would push the the cover backwards and so the velcro acts as a
resistance in the bottom section and so even though there's weight the velcro keeps it together this is where i'm probably gonna need doctor drank to design a major structural engineer at this point i need an engineer to take care of this for me so doctor if you're listening hit me with any tips
as long as it doesn't involve any equations um but yeah i'm lacking this a lot uh yeah go check out the pictures and that's uh yeah it's uh i've been using it it's lovely with all ed it works amazingly well and uh yeah we you know the macpad lives on even with the new ipad pro it looks
much better with the 13 inch it's much more visually balanced than before Mike saw the original version in real that yeah and it looked funny with the 11 inch ipad pro now it looks much better uh so yeah go macpad go macpad this kind of the beauty of this product right is that you've you can update it component by component yeah yeah imagine sir cus to say naked robotic core that's right like it's like that i don't think he was talking about cutting a MacBook air in half but i mean it's
more naked if you're if you're cutting the screen off it's more naked than it was previously it's more something yeah but you know like say that you want to update to uh an inform apricare or something
in there or like yeah you can like do these things separately that's pretty cool yeah yeah well maybe it's called pilot plus windows pc you know what i mean oh we can talk about that we're gonna get to that don't you worry you can do anything you can do anything now we're gonna get to that on top of
the mac book the MacBook it's like you're you're free yeah i know fedrica you've spoken about uh macOS being usable on the 11 inch display when you're in that mode yeah but is it better noticeably better on the 13 oh yeah i mean yes it is it absolutely is it feels it's a it's a it's a
traditional computer display it was fine before like i remember being a huge fan of the 11 inch MacBook air a decade ago or something when it wasn't a beautiful time that was you know great computer they should do one again but they want um so it was usable uh it's obviously it obviously much better
on the 13 it makes more sense and yeah the window sizes they're more comfortable the dock is the proper size like everything makes more sense on the 13 inch yeah yeah it is they've sold max smaller than that now right you are now fully in MacBook size screen territory
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the voice sounded a little familiar and turns out that uh they don't goofed or committed a crime that's a way to say it done goofed let's see what i'm gonna give my attempt to an abridged version of the train of events please please open a i had a voice named sky this voice predated
the gpt 40 launch it was one of the pre selective voices that you can have because they've had the voice thing for a while this voice sounded an awful lot like scarlet your hands and uh referencing essentially referencing her role in the movie her where she plays a voice a i
during the launch of gpt 40 they spent a lot more time with the the the voice stuff than they have previously right like it's actually the entire uh presentation really is like talking to and hearing it talk about um and they were also showing off improvements that they were making to the voice
technology to make it sound more real like breath and and stuff like that uh lots of people also recognize the voice similarities to johansson right they're like oh this sounds just like uh it was in media that uh that i actually there was a snl joke about it which is particularly uh
funny because the person who said the jokers is scarlet's husband calling just so anyway uh open a i we'll get lots of questions about this because it's like hey this sounds like they're very famous actress who was in that movie and also as well uh sound ortman tweeted the word her after the
presentation uh open a i took the voice down after receiving lots of questions about it then scarlet johansson released a statement should i read the statement yes all right last September i received an offer from sound omen who wanted to hire me to voice the current chat gpt 4.0 system so i've read
this initially and thought oh did was that written wrong did that mean four oh i was like no actually that's gpt 4 which is when they brought the voice in and also last September right it was a long time ago anyway so he told me that he felt that by voicing the system i could bridge the gap
between tech companies and creatives and help consumers to feel comfortable with the seismic shift concerning humans and ai he said he felt that my voice would be comforting to people after much consideration and for many and for personal reasons i had to climb the offer nine months later my friends family and the general public all noted how much the newest system sounded like this name sky sounded like me when i heard the release demo i was shocked angered and disbelieved
that mr. omen will pursue a voice sounded so eerily similar to mine that my closest friends and news outlets could not tell the difference mr. omen even insinuated that the similarity was intentional to eat in a single word her a reference to the film in which i voiced a chat system Samantha who forms an intimate relationship of the human two days before the chat gpt 4.0 demo
was released now here i think they're referencing four oh not 4.0 anyway but mr. omen contacted my agent asking me to reconsider before we reconnect the system was out there as a result of their actions i was forced to hire legal counsel who wrote two letters to mr. omen and open a i setting out what they had done and asking them to detail the exact process by which they recreated the sky voice consequently open a i reluctantly agreed to take down the sky voice in a time when
we are all grappling grappling with deep fakes and the protection of our own likeness our own work our own identities and i believe there are questions that deserve absolute clarity i look forward to resolution in the form of transparency in the passage of appropriate legislation to help ensure
the individual rights are protected all time great statement once again scarlet johansson is out there sticking it to the big companies like don't forget she sued disney and one yeah i think they settled but they did but nevertheless she was right in what she was doing
at the time that she is right now open a i are saying that this is a coincidence and that is another voice actor who just so happens to sound like scarlet johans hmm which i just believe is a lie like i don't one of these things is a lie right either
it's a lie that it is a voice actor who just so happens to sound like her or what i honestly think is happening is this is a synthetic voice that they created trained on her voice and i don't know if you two it experienced it at all but i have access to gpt 4r and so like and so you can
you can talk to it and the voice is still good but not as good and my voice was set to the sky voice and uh when i was on vacation i wanted to see like how adina would talk to it because she's she you know doesn't she's not going to be kind to the machine where i might be in that way like she
was just asking it questions where i might like let things go or like phrase things in such a way that i know i'm talking to a computer and she had a conversation with it for a couple of minutes was asking it advice about what we could do on our trip it just sounded like her like i i don't believe for a second that this is a coincidence because it sounded just like her so that's kind of the the the the news is it is so far the really damning part in my mind is that they contacted her agent
two days before the demo yeah they this is like when my kids were younger and you come in and there's like a mess in the kitchen or in their room like hey did you make this mess you're the only one here like no i don't know who made this mess like well you did you're just lying to me very transparently and i mean as bad as this is and this is pretty bad really bad and boy to your point Mike they mess with the wrong person i would not want to be on the other end of scrawlager Hanson's lawyers
but this is yet another example of this company and probably other companies in this field using information that's not theirs to build their products right member the thing a couple of weeks ago when their cto was asked if soar was bit was trained on youtube video youtube videos
and there's like just not answer like well yeah of course it was oh we we trained different things we found on the internet yeah like the youtube.com website this is the same to me the same sort of we can do whatever we want get out of our way that i find increasingly distasteful from this company and it just they they think they can just do whatever they want to get away with it like
i don't they may not in this case but it is it is really gross. Well they don't care right this this is their attitude i guess it's just uh we're we're the cool guys and and we are changing the tech industry we can do whatever we want which i think it's a that's a very toxic attitude honestly like just disregarding completely i mean getting in touch with her agent two days before and yeah just going ahead because hey what's what what are they gonna do to us you know like we have
billions of dollars what like i really dislike everything about this honestly. The thing that like i think annoys me the most is the stupidity of it yeah like you didn't need to do any of this and it would have been fine you know like none of these things had to happen you didn't need to
get scotch enhance in any way like you didn't need to get her voice right like it doesn't matter it could just be any voice why does it need to be the voice from the movie which i know this is like a old joke at this point but like that movie ends real bad like i don't understand why you
want to make that connection so much and also why like ortman thinks that like her like the her voice would be the right thing to bridge the gap like doesn't make any sense um like you miss the message of the film yes and like i i just
gpt 4o is really impressive no one cares now right this is completely overshadowed it and so like all of these people inside of open a i have done the work that they've done to make this technology well there's fewer people than there used to be did you see like the flood of people leaving in
the wake of the demos yeah i don't know about all of that like i don't really know i i heard about as a couple of executives left right i don't know about anybody else personally but like yeah some of it was some of the people behind the coup like the the other executive that was part
of that yeah and then some people apparently on the product safety team left as well okay i mean like i don't know what that was all in relation to i think that might just be like the fall out of the coup yeah yeah my main point was just all the people working there and i was just like
well as few people there used to be i don't i don't think there was like a scarlet joe handsome protest within the company okay good i i was sorry i wasn't sure if that was what what you were yeah what you meant um yeah but like all of these people did this work and like now it kind of
doesn't matter right and it's all just because of the the the idiocy of ointment in this scenario right it's just like why even do any of this like what are you doing like you should be doing everything you possibly can to make people warm up to your company yeah because people are rightly so really
hesitant of this right and like this is like this era of technology has promised there are interesting things that are going on but there's also a lot of really unsettling things that are going on you don't need to add to the unsettling by doing things that don't even make any sense like
why would you do this i want to read a quick quote from uh uh kacy newton a platformer it's narrative about so open a i's narrative about the jahunson debacle is essentially that is chief executive slipped on a series of banana peels over the last nine months until they were
trapped in an uncanny valley between one of the wards most famous actresses and another actress whom it declines to name who sound just like her mm-hmm like for me it's the slipped on a series of banana peels thing where it's just like whoa whoa i didn't mean to do any of this like it's all
just so happened to occur like it's just so stupid and juvenile it's like you're supposed to be in charge of this massive company just act like an adult mm-hmm and if you hired somebody else to have that person come out and make a statement and it all goes away or it gets better at least
like i'm sorry like to me look the idea of like we're protecting this person's privacy that doesn't hold wall with me no that feels like the kind of thing you would say when you're trying to protect the fact that nobody exists mm-hmm like what is the like what's the issue here like voice actors
all the time they're a credit what you can't credit this one yeah what's the what's the concern around this like i don't i don't understand what that concern is yeah we know who did the original Siri voice like yeah come on to me that it just feels like we're trying to hide this me i mean look i don't know what scolga jahunson's move is going to be i don't know she's going to try and file a lawsuit um if she does and if she's successful to do so i think she has the ability to
do it oh yeah maybe we'll find out the answer but it's going to be a long way in the future and maybe people won't care about it anymore but i think she's done a great job here i've kind of exposing them i think done very well to be honest i think she's she's kind of crushed it but it just it
just disappoints me it disappoints me and then i think about oh what are we four weeks away from from some old man may be appearing at wwc hey everyone i made a new voice it's called tim it's got it's got tom it's called tom it says good morning
i i always wonder what happens at microsoft when these sorts of things happen right microsoft is put a lot of money in this company a lot of their co-pilot stuff which we're talking about next powered by this during the coup they offered sam altman a job and he turned it down to go back to the company that tried to ask him like i want to know everything about that relationship but you know someone at microsoft like when this news broke they just uh they just slammed their head into their
desk yeah i think they kind of expect it from them now though like i probably don't know how much you do to follow this but like microsoft is buying up more ai companies like they're essentially building within microsoft a team where they can just plug them in yeah get rid of open a i as they should
they should they should own their technology but like i think open a i's brought them to the dance right and like now they're building the infrastructure that they need to live mm-hmm so like you know for all this it's like yes i expect that every time something that is happens such as just
like i don't want to have to deal with this right like you're you're like we're trying to do a thing over here and you know like he was at build like the next day after this and it's just like you're just you're embarrassing me but it at least seems like he is making the moves that he would need to
try and get rid of them and move over to whatever there is but i think that it would be particularly awkward for apple yeah because if they're going if they are actually going to announce a brand new partnership like also you decided still a brand new like that's going to be the question where
it's like with with microsoft it's a little bit like well we're already in bed together like you know that uh the the the be weird it's going to be i think more complicated to be like no we made the decision now that we're going to do this so i'm very intrigued to see how that's going to go
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So there was a Microsoft Surface event earlier this week followed by the Microsoft build conference I believe and of course at the Surface Event Big News is the debut of this brand new AI PCs that Microsoft is not calling AI PCs they're calling Copilot Plus PCs which is an interesting name to say the least Copilot Plus. Do you guys familiar with the fact that they already have things that are called Copilot PCs? No but I'm not surprised. It's a different thing.
Isn't that great? It's so Microsoft. I really like the Copilot branding. Me too but I think it's great branding but you got to deploy it in a more reasonable fashion Microsoft. Yes. Yeah. So this Copilot Plus PCs obviously we know Microsoft is going all in on AI and they've been doing that for the past two years really but what's different about this new computer so there's a new Surface laptop and there's the new Surface Pro 11
is that they skip the 10 right? Well they're actually not numbering them. They're not numbering it. Yeah. The 10 is business only I believe the Surface Pro 10 is just for business customers. They did a number this one. The thing about these computers is that they're running on a brand new ARM based architecture. So this is the long rumored Qualcomm made Snapdragon X processors. They're going to power this Windows machines and specifically there's two versions of
this Snapdragon X. There's the plus and the elite. Now the what's really remarkable here is that we can get to the details about like how Microsoft is doing this transition from the X86 architecture to to an ARM based architecture. They tried years ago during exactly workout in terms
of developer adoption app compatibility and a bunch of other issues. It seems like this may be the time they actually do it but what I find fascinating is their comparisons to the M series chips to Apple Silicon and specifically Microsoft saying we are beating the MacBook Air with these computers. Yeah. That I find interesting because from a certain perspective in terms of just raw AI numbers it may even be true if you consider how these processors perform and all the
different large language models that Microsoft has embedded within Windows at this point. I believe there's about 40 different models that Microsoft has in Windows but I still struggle to see these computers as having the kind of performance of a MacBook Air in terms of run cool and being thin and that's not even to mention of course the Surface Pro compared to the incredible thinness of an iPad Pro. But they're using different metrics to compare these co-pilot plus PCs to
MacBook Airs. And so I wanted to ask you guys first of all, I mean, name, silly name aside. Do you find this interesting as an idea of a AI first computer? Well, I mean, or do you find it silly? No, I don't find it silly. I mean, to me it's just like, well, I do believe I've come around to the idea that like, look, love it. I hate it. This is the next phase of computing now. Like we're in it. And so like the idea of a AI focused PC is funny to me because it's just like I do think
that within five years that's just a PC. It's immune now. It's like saying, it's like saying if this smartphone was invented now, oh, this is a camera phone. It's like, yeah, well, or just like, what do you guys think about this new touch focused phone? You know, like I genuinely think we're just in it now. The thing that I find the most interesting, I think some of the stuff that putting a Windows is interesting to me. But the thing I find the most interesting is how
hard they are bringing it to Apple. Yeah. I like this. I like this. Yes, do it. Just go for it. And like they're saying, I mean, I listened to the Verge cast and Tom Warren was saying that like he was in a briefing with Microsoft for multiple hours where they were just, they had an macro care and the surface laptop next to each other. And they were just doing benchmark after benchmark. Like they are not just saying that this is more powerful in AI. They're saying
it is more powerful in everything. They are saying it has longer battery life. Like they are just saying like all in all this machine is better. Now they probably have fans in them. You said about the call this saying it's like, okay, like a lot of people are bringing this up. Like I think John Gerberot about it too. I don't know if that matters. Like I don't, you know, like, okay, like it does, you know, whatever. But like it's probably more powerful than a MacBook Pro then.
Right. Yeah. Like I'm, you know, it's just like, whatever. Like to me, the thing that is interesting here is that they are building computers that look compelling and they are putting these features into the operating system. And then they're saying this is better than Apple's laptops. And I'm just like, all right. Like this is it. I like this from Microsoft. Let's see what they got. Are you guys
familiar with where these chips came from? Yes. I am. Okay. This is the Qualcomm chips. But a while back Qualcomm bought a company founded by a bunch of people who left Apple, who worked on Apple Silicon. Yeah. It's company called Nuvia. Nuvia. And Qualcomm just said, we'll give you whatever you need. Make us the chips and these are the chips. And they did. Yeah. And this is a pretty remarkable chip. Like in terms of, like for AI, they're saying like 40 trillion operations per
second. Like this Snapdragon X architecture, like it is a serious thing. And the fact that Microsoft is saying we're not just comparable to a MacBook Air. We are, we are superior in terms of performance to the M3. Like that is a serious claim. And they're saying that these computers like they're, they're claiming like I was just checking the Surface Pro specs page. They're claiming 14
hours of battery life for a tablet, which you know, different kind of tablet in many regards. But but yeah, it's like this is a serious effort in terms of bringing an database architecture to Windows. And now will it work this time around? I think it will. And the question remains what is the app story? Like that is the very issue of like how many apps are actually going to come and they announced a bunch of important apps like Photoshop and others are like they're bringing
they're going to make native. It isn't like fantastic. I'll also come in doing this because of this. That it was on a slide. And then there was a tweet or a thread post by somebody who said it was coming. But I don't, I would not be surprised. I mean, it makes sense to them to do that. It makes sense to do that. To your point, Mike and Antigurus Federico really, the reason this is so interesting
to me is that this is Windows on arm in a way we've never seen it before. And the software and the harder both have held it back, but in particular, the software, if you go back whatever was eight years or whatever, 10 years to the surface RT, that thing failed because the hardware was underpowered, but also because there was no software for it. And Microsoft has taken their sweet, sweet time to get Windows ready to get their emulation ready. And in that time, now they have this
chip. So now things are coming together. And either John or Ben said this on dithering, I forget which one, but this feels like a turning point in the decline of x86. And Intel is going to have with lunar lake, a next gen processor. They're going to have, you know, co-pilot plus PC stuff ready. But arm is where these things are happening. And if these devices and the software do all really work as well as Microsoft says they do, this very well could be the turning point where, hey, x86,
not on the Mac anymore. It's going to be a long time before it's not a Windows anywhere. Like, it's a very long transition, but this feels like a very big step towards that future. I genuinely think the Intel thing is just that because Microsoft is being nice to them. I like things too. I think x86 is over.
They can also still use them. Like Steven said, like it's going to be a long transition. And there's probably, there's probably many reasons for Microsoft to remain, you know, partners with Intel for lower-spec computers. Like it's, the Windows world is so different from the Apple one. It makes sense. Like they're the kind of company that is built to have multiple partners. But yeah, this is the question. I was, how good is their emulation layer? Like because if it's still not good enough,
this won't work. Right. So to give you like, I posted on threads about the gaming angle, for example, which is obviously an interesting one because those are some of the, along with 3D applications and like professional applications, like 3D graphics is one of the most intensive things that you can ask. A system on a chip in this case, like this is not a, keep in mind, this is not a system with the discrete GPU. This is just like Apple Silicon. It's like a single system on a chip that has a
GPU inside of it. The macro wins in the end, you know. This is not, these are not computers with a discrete dedicated GPU. It's just one snap drag on X system on a chip. Now for the emulation layer, so I think Microsoft is telling a really compelling story much, much more compelling than whatever Apple did last year with that macOS
compatibility thing for gaming that nobody ever really took advantage of. So they're saying that they have a thousand games that are already, sort of, have already been tested and are playable or basically just, you know, complete like sort of like Steam's proton thing like they have passed the compatibility checks. So a thousand games and mostly you could expect these games without
any optimizations to run at 720p or 1080p 30 frames per second. For example, they showed Baldur's Gate 3, which is, you know, a game from last year, like a massive game from last year, running, I believe, somewhere in between 720p and 1080p at 30 frames per second. Now you may say, well, that's not impressive, but again, this is a system on a chip without a discrete GPU using an emulation layer and running that game at 1080p 30 frames per second in a tablet. Yeah.
It is pretty remarkable for a first day. That's pretty good. It's pretty good. It's pretty good.
It's pretty good. And you can imagine that like I have a feeling that Microsoft and Qualcomm are absolutely going to take Apple to task here when it comes to gaming because like they can tell and they can offer a much more compelling alternative than whatever Apple has in store for the App Store and Apple Arcade because the signs are pretty much in the open that Microsoft, they're going to do a gaming handheld and it's going to be most likely at this point,
it's going to be based on this chip on the Snapdragon X series. Now you can imagine that sort of Xbox handheld that has full on compatibility with games on Windows with this kind of battery life. And also I will point you to the president of Xbox, Sarah Bond, I want to say, yeah, saying that they have assembled a dedicated Xbox game preservation team for future
backward compatibility. Now why is that? I mean, they're also saying like as well, that the next Xbox that they're working on is going to be the most powerful games console ever made by a long margin. And yeah, maybe this is part of how they get to that, right? Like this
kind of technology. I mean, we've seen it. We've seen what happens when you go to arm, like your power and your amount of power per watt and all that kind of stuff, it just goes through through the roof and that could be a big leap for this kind of system too. Yeah, so the final thing I will say is that over the past few years, and rightfully so in our community, because this is what we do for living, we've been focused on the incredible improvements of
the Apple Silicon and M series. But I just wanted to open up that like it's not like Qualcomm has been just resting on the laurels and doing nothing. You can get some pretty remarkable Android phones, like especially the Snapdragon 8 Gen 3. That system on a cheap and the Adreno based GPU that they have, you can play some Android games and do some emulation in 4K with some really remarkable performance. Now, of course, the app ecosystem is different between iOS and Android. But if I were
Apple, you know, competition is good in this case. And Qualcomm proving that they can work with Microsoft to bring Snapdragon to a desktop operating system with a gaming angle, it's very remarkable. And yeah, it's competition is great. Over on ours, Technica Andrew Cunningham has an article about Prism, which is Microsoft's emulation. You know, we have a resettatoo on Apple Silicon Macs. And Andrew writes that with a upcoming Windows 11 update that those translated apps will run
between 10 and 20% faster just with the Windows update. And that Prism's performance is quote, similar to Rosetta's, although obviously this depends on the speed of the hardware you're running it on. And that's another benefit of these arm chips. They are so fast. If there is any penalty for emulation and it's not really like emulation is not really the word. It's translation. It's translating not emulating. Then you make up the difference in the speed. And they've got a bunch of apps like
you mentioned Adobe, but Dropbox and Chrome are native on arm and Windows. This is happening. It does not answer the questions about dedicated GPUs. It doesn't really answer the question of like, you know, the the bajillion x86 PCs under people's work desks like it's going to take a long time. But I'm telling you, I think we're going to look back in a year or two. Like this, this is the time when the when the tide really started shifting for Windows on arm.
The other thing I want to talk to you all about is Microsoft recall. So this is a feature that was internally called AI Explorer. But it effectively looks at everything you're doing on your computer. It puts it on a timeline. So you can go back and see what's going on. If this sounds familiar, there is rewind AI, which was this Mac application that was going to do this and that company is pivoted. But this is built into the OS in the Windows. It will. There's some privacy stuff. You can say,
you know, don't pay attention to these websites. You can pause or stop it. It's local and on device. But you can say, Hey, you know, I saw an email with this in it or I was on a web page with that on it. Can you find it for me? And it scrolls back in time. I love the interface for it. I think the interface is really fun. Very reminiscent of time machine. Yeah. I mean, it is. And except like sideways instead of
back into the screen. It's more colorful. And it's got my it looks like modern Microsoft. Like it looks great. But like, yeah. But this is, this is, I mean, it's a wild feature. I would imagine that there'll be a lot of people that turn this off or a lot of companies that turn it off for their employees. But I'm curious like for us, is this something that, you know, if this came to Mac OS, is this something that we would be interested in? This is the dream for me to have like the idea of
total digital recall without having to bookmark or like explicitly save things. And I get it, I get it. The privacy concerns and everything. I'm sure if Apple ever did something similar, they would have better settings for things that you may want to exclude from your recall. But like for me, this is exactly the perfect use of AI and a large language model. Like see everything I do. I choose to let you see what I do. And then let me search using natural language things that I remember
having seen on my computer, just not having saved them specifically anywhere. This is something that I really, really, really hope Apple does, not just on a Mac like anywhere, like everywhere. I want to have this on all the devices that I use. We should know it does only work on some of these newer co-pilot plus PCs with the Snapdragon X Elite chip. So this is a subset of new machines. The minimum storage space, Microsoft says hard drive space, but you know, solid storage space.
The minimum required for the system is 256 gigs, but 50 gigs of available space, you know, for this feature to work. And it's to fall allocation is 25 gigs, which they say is about three months worth of snapshots. But you can change in the settings how much storage allocation you allow for this. So I'm interested in see how this is how this takes off if this is used in the world. If
people think this is creepy, we just don't know yet. And I think, I think for me, like I am interested in something like this, but boy, I'd want to make sure that it's local because something like this, you know, basically screen reading, everything you do, that's, you know, that's weird. It's not a very common thing at this point. Yeah. I'm like struggling with it
myself. I keep going backwards and forwards of like, I actually would really like the utility for federico's mentioning, like I don't need to remember anything, like it just remembers everything for me. Like I love that. But there is also just this like, like, do I want the computer logging everything, everything, everything, you know, like do I want that? I'm not sure that I do. And like, ice comp is complicated. I think this is the thing I'm
going to have to like come to terms with if something that this comes to macOS. It's just like a strange, it's just like a strange thing to think about that like, there is another thing that's watching every website I go to every app that I open, every conversation I have. Like if I have an I message conversation with someone and delete the I message thread, like it's still going to, we're going back to that thing we were talking about earlier, right? Like the photos thing,
like it's just reappearing. Like there is just this like another memory. It gets weird. It's just like a, it's a thing that we haven't had before other than web browsing history. And we all got used to web browsing history. So I'm sure it'll get used to this. But yeah, I think this is something that I would eventually much prefer the utility of than a creepy thing. But there is also
just like security concerns, right? Like real ones that would have to seriously consider that if someone got access to your computer, they have everything, everything now. No, complicated. Yeah, it's new realm, right? It's just like a new thing we'd have to get used to. And yeah, it makes me uncomfortable. But also I like the idea of it. So like if this came to macOS, I would turn it on. But I would still be a bit like sometimes when I'm thinking about the feature.
So sure. Man, WBC a couple weeks away. Who knows who knows what's going to happen. They're not going to get to this level. They're not going to do this. They're not going to do this. I'm still excited about WBC. I want to see what they've got. But I'm starting to lower my expectations because everything is rising and they're not going to be at this level. No, because Microsoft started doing all this stuff ages ago.
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a website. It's great. That's right. If you want to find Federico, turn down Mac stories lane. Yeah. Over at MacStories.net. Lots of great stories over there. I'm sure they're they're gearing up for WBC. You can find Mike on a bunch of other shows here on relay FM. And you can swing by Cortex brand on your way home and get something for the kids. Kids need notebooks and pins, right? Yeah, in the way home. Yeah. Make up something for the kids. And I like 512
pixels. Don't net, which is Steven's home because it actually sounds like an address. It does 512 pixels. Yes. Yes. You can you can stop by, you know, get a glass of tea, read about it for a while, you know, come on, y'all. Visit for a while. That's one of my favorite Southern phrases. Like someone visits. Like we're just going to visit. I like that. It's going to visit. If the information super highways is not your thing and maybe you want to go down the
social media expressway, you can do that. We're on Macedon as Vitechi, I mic and I SMH 86. As as are your threads. It's all the same user names everywhere now. It's all unified. Very very exciting. You guys sound excited. Some of us have done that a while ago. So that doesn't have that problem. But yes, it's very exciting that we're all unified now, you know. If thinking about unification, what do you think about the three of us having just one social media
account? You share. Why not? What do you think? We just share it. Y'all get a log in, it's connected. No. Well, were you on us all sending all of our thoughts on the connected account? No, like we were just we were just to use it. What would our name be? Steve, Steve Michael? Steve Michael, yeah, that sounds like a fine gentleman. Didn't we do this before? Fan, Mike and Mike. We've definitely done this before. But yeah, I think that would be a good idea.
I think three of us should have one account and we just post everything from it. So like one day it would be like, look at this thing I wrote about a Macpad. Then next day we like look at this podcast that I did. And the next day it would be like, look at this calendar that I'm selling, you know, that could be us. You have to look at that photo in the discord. Yeah, that could be us. Like that would be us like final form, you know? Yeah, we're Mike and I got face melded to each
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I think I think I think people enjoy what we did. Tell them. We talked about Titanic. Mike's favorite movie. Federico's favorite movie. Mike's favorite movie of Federico's. Mike's favorite movie he saw this week. Yeah. Yes. We talked about Titanic. It sinks. Spoiler alert. Why would you do that? So many people would just like, well, they didn't know. They didn't know. They happened to 100. 10. 15 years ago. Okay. That's it. We'll be back next week. Until then, say goodbye.
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