Ikea presenterar Ljud av förändring. Välkommen till IKEA! Ving firar 70 år av resor, och det gör vi med massor av erbjudanden som är omöjliga att motstå. Hitta våra bästa jubileumserbjudanden på wing.se. De bästa resorna försvinner först. Hi, my name is Lisa Coudre. feel still really good. Conan O'Brien's day-to-day. Every day I ask I take a walk. Then I go, wait, how do you feel about being Conan O'Brien?
Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend, joined by uh well, no Matt Gorley right now. He's still out on paternity leave. Yeah. It's been six years now that he's run on paternity leave. This child uh Just joined the army. Um good to have you here, uh David Hoppin. Great to be here. And um and Sona Obsession, of course, as always. You were late today. Uh we just taped an interview that you weren't
Here for what happened? Was a little bit of a snafu? There was a little bit of a snafu. What happened there? Um, it wasn't in my calendar. So If it's not I'm like, you know, if it's not there, I don't know it's happening. Is this a physical thing you write in? A physical calendar? What do you mean like I have a calendar and I write in it with my
Yeah, it's not like uh you know a f a a fireman with no shirt on, you know. Oh like a calendar. That's the kind of calendar I pict you having. You probably like a sexy guy calendar. Well it's a digital one. But then there's other calendars that get sent that do have it on there and I didn't Pay attention to those. There was a show about um male dancers that you were obsessed with. They weren't dancers.
Oh, they were giggleos. They were gigolos. You were obsessed with gigglos. Did you have a gigolo calendar back in the day? I did have a gigolo calendar. And every month. And see, this is why I asked you, I picture you having like a gigolo calendar or a shirtless fireman calendar or now a heated rivalry calendar. Yes. Yeah maybe. Okay. And then the problem is you get so distracted by the hunk.
that you don't write things down. Every time you go, oh, I'll write down I've got to be in there for that interview for the podcast. And then you look up and it's one of the Uh the shirtless hunks from Heated Rivalry and you go And then you forget And you just write blither, blather, blother. Yeah. Or I just drool all over it. And you draw butts on the calendar. I draw Oh my God, I draw butts.
But maybe maybe that's my system for putting things in my calendar. Yeah, two butts means uh I gotta get into the podcast. Three butts means I've gotta go see my my orthopedic surgeon. Yes. It's a it's my butt Butt code. Yeah. Yeah. It's the butt code for my calendar. Look, but then also today And then you use different things. There's some butts, there's some penises. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Six butts and two penises is Mikey and Charlie need to get their shots. Ha ha ha.
This is her system. The ancient Incas used knotted string instead of recorded language, and it they it worked fine. Sona uses a series of buttons. And dicks. Yes. Uh and in a certain order. And sh I mean I your when you published your version of uh King Lear, it it was fantastic. People are gonna look at my calendars thousands of years from now and they're gonna be relics of butts and penises. And then people are going to worship.
Yeah. Because it exactly explains the solar system and the movements of the sun. Yes. Yeah. I I think so. I think it's a very special system. Anyway. So I went to a workout class this morning. Anyway, uh aside from my ancient Incan or Aztec calendar of buc butts and dicks. Yeah. Onward. Yes. So butts and dicks calendar. Then I went I went to work out this morning and I was driving somewhere and then I got a a a text from Blay
Which is the one of the scary texts to get when you work. He's like, Where are you? What's your ETA? And I'm like, Oh, I'm supposed to be somewhere right now And then I called and I found out. But I look You're you get look shit you look like you went to the gym. Yes, look at me. Look at my hair. I think you look great. What's the problem? Shut up. No, no, no. I mean I mean thank you. No, I feel like uh I'm I'm really wishing you didn't have so many subscribers on YouTube right now.
Okay. So here's the thing. I want to know what your workout is because in the whole time I've known you, you've never said to me I'm off to the gym for my workout. Yes. You've never done that. I don't. What do you what do you do? What is a workout? Today was the first workout I went to. That's I didn't know that. Yeah. This is gold. I'm a prosecutor who just happened to ask a question and you said, well, when I purchased the murder weapon and committed the murder.
I thought today would be the day that I've been in the middle of the day. So today was your first day. Yes. Where? I did a spin class. At Solcycle in Pasadena. Shout out, gimme no, don't give me some c I'm probably not gonna go back. I was really you are not going back. Okay, so You I also I picture you like yelling back at any instructor. If they say, Okay now ladies, let's go. No. Fuck this. I'm not going up a hill. I was saying it under my breath. I was like, shut up, bitch. SHUT UP BIT
As she was talking and telling me, You're not allowed to yell at the instructor, Yeah. I'll cut a bit. Yeah. I why but I wanted to and the whole time I was like, This is stupid, why am I doing this? I wanna watch TV. What am I doing? Why am I doing like I was taught I had an internal monologue that was so
not what you should have when you're in a workout class. I hated every second. Did you have were you while you're working out, is there a big container of red vines in front of you that you're eating while you're Six calories out, like twelve calories in. Someone's feeding it to her. Yeah. Yeah. You bring in a system to feed you red vines. Well, I'm glad you're here and um yeah I'm sorry I I missed the interview. Don't be sorry. I mean, yeah, you would have had fun.
Yeah. But uh I know. I I liked who you interviewed and so I'm bummed out. I'm sure I'll interview uh you know, uh Barack and Michelle Obama again soon. It was Cher. Yeah, and Cher. It was Barack Obama, Michelle Obama, and Cher. Oh my god. And uh oh, and uh the survivors of the band Queen. Um they but you know what? We'll do you'll come to really. Everyone was here. It was really fun. But you wouldn't have loved it. I took your seat. Yeah. Oh, and this great hummus place sent in some food.
But y next time that happens we'll we'll everyone's laughing it up. I hate everybody in this room. Uh this is hilarious when I introduce This guest. It just always cracks me up because we've been friends literally forever and uh she uh she is one of my absolute favorite people in the entire universe. Uh she uh stars as Valerie Cherish in season three of the hilarious HBO series The Comeback, which people people are so psyched for this. So excited. So psyched for it.
Uh she is uh one of my closest friends. I adore her and I love when she comes on the podcast. I mean we've known each other forever. Yeah. And uh got started together, as everyone knows, in in improv in eighty six. And and um and it's still a day to day thing with you. I never know. I never know am I am I still good with Yeah. There have been there have been whole years where I've been out. But at the moment I'm in, which is fine.
And we'll see how it goes. That's not true. The um the uh it's the other way around. What? Where'd that come from? Look, in the two thousands I just turned on you. Uh we were just it's funny'cause I mean, you came in here and you started being really funny and we're just laughing and we hadn't even like turned on the microphones yet. And it just always feels strange when I say, Hey, my guest today is Lisa Coudro, because
We had dinner uh last week. Yeah. With my wife Liza and um and you and uh Michelle could not be there because he refuses to dine with me now. Right. Um and he was out of town. I know, he was out of town. We're just trying to start trouble. No, things yeah. Anyway. But uh yeah, we had a blast and so it's so funny when it's formalized this way a little bit. And it used to be worse. Not worse because you were always great, but when I would say when I had an o a band.
And it was on T V and they'd be like, All right. Here she comes. And you'd come out and you'd get you know the dress and I'm Bowing to you and then getting behind my seat. And I would I would just flash back to you and I in a dupar's diner in the late eighties going, here's a funny idea for a skit. Yeah. Well, we both gotta get back to our day jobs. Oh yeah. Yeah, at least I had a I had a decent yeah. Yeah. And you were slinging hash. At the headache clinic.
At the headache clinic. Which was given why were you slinging hash at a headache clinic? I don't know. You said slinging hash. I wanted to be a good improviser. Yeah, that was good. That was good. Now it's a very funny scene. Headache clinic. Exactly. Um yeah, I'm s uh delighted that you're here. People get very excited when you come. Um huge fans here. Uh and So Paula Davis, who we were just talking about before the mics came on, who's been with me f uh forever, who's our booker.
She is vibrating. for I would say a month now talking to me about The comeback and the new season of the comeback. That's what she was telling me. She's doing a rewatch. But she's not the only one. I have so many friends that are telling me the comeback. And because they know that you and I go way back. People are asking me questions about it. I don't know anything. A lot of people from my life couldn't watch.
seasons one and two. They couldn't handle it. It was tough. And I think probably for you, even though you're too supportive to say it. But uh my husband hasn't seen them. Do you know that? Really? I didn't know that. Michelle has not seen all of season one or all of season two. Also, I think that's really sweet. I watched both of them. And thought it was brilliantly funny. But because I'm such good friends with you and care about you. It's hard. It's hard.
talking about with that. I can't like it makes me nervous that I'm something's wrong with my version of reality because you're not the only one. Right. It's like because it they're so humiliated for her. Well you play it and everyone here is you play it so brilliantly close to the bone. And for me anyway, there was the character of the writer, Polly G, who is just so
mean and that actor did such a great job. Yeah, in season one, he was So good at being a type of writer I know and it made me but you know not supporting you at all, you know, making just Wearing away your confidence uh and so much anger and bringing so many of his own issues to that situation that because I don't know, I've been in that world.
It was hard. It was hard just like I I'm I told you I wanted to like fight him at one point. I said I don't want to meet him'cause I think I want to hit him with a two by four. Right. And poor guy, he's a lovely guy and a terrific actor, but uh he needs a beating because But listen, I mean,'cause we had a writer's room the first season and every one of them knew that guy. Yeah. So we weren't making him up. And the thing is is that
To me it was really obvious that this guy thought he was having a promising career. You know, we hear that he was a Simpsons writer, he won an Emmy and you know, and now he has this show and then the network tells him, No, it has to be this Oh and by the way Just to hedge our bets, there's a companion reality show. Yeah. And and and it's that would be enraging to any showrunner. Yes. And he is a pr particularly asshole-ish.
Right. And has whatever feelings he has about her.'Cause she is annoying. She is sort of phony and what do you do with that? And just Shut up. Right? Right. Right. And I've been that's been a solid five minutes of me monologuing, by the way. But To me it was really obvious like what he's pissed off about. And okay. No, no, no. That's fair. I just uh there's a case. And he's punishing her. Yes. But did she seem punished?
Well, she's Sona says no. No, I d she's she's like blissfully almost I wouldn't say blissfully. I would say Valerie ch Valerie Cherish is Valiantly unaware. Yeah, I think it's but also I think one of the reasons she's that way is she's not Completely oblivious. She's she knows that she's hanging by a thread in this business. She knows that. Um and and you play it so well, uh excruciatingly optimistic in a way that's so forced because you know that
This isn't all going your way. And you're so thirsty. You really wanna win that Emmy. You really want and what's amazing to me is that it really does capture something you see out here. Yeah. You see it out here all the time. is the big force smile. I can't tell you how many times I pass a billboard and I see a big smiling face of someone who's saying, It's all great. Right. And I know that person's miserable.
I I know they are. I've met them. I know p you know, and I see those faces all over the place because so many people aren't happy in themselves. Do you know what I mean? And So the smile gets bigger and Yeah. It uh that's what you see a lot of. And I think Valerie Cherish is like the best character, in my opinion, that captures something that exists out here. And I do have a lot of empathy for
But I also think she's not Peter Sellers as Clousseau. She's not someone who's oblivious. No. Things are fires are you know, she knows that, oh, here's the paparazzi. They're not shooting her. They're shooting someone she used to work with. She's trying to get to her. They're stepping on her feet. She knows that it's not going her way. And she's pushing herself through the crowd. Yeah. I just realized I just might be really mean.
Because that just made me laugh. Well it's funny. No it is bad for her. She thinks it is, but it hasn't. Like yeah, I don't But it's this it's a I don't know, it's a really to me she's what she's doing is like that's okay. Mm-hmm. Like that's her mantra is It's okay. It's okay, it's okay, that's what it takes. You know, like it doesn't matter. Yeah. And then'cause first I was just making fun of her. Season one to me, yes, I am mean. And I was making fun of that.
And after we were done, I had a friend, and she's smart, this woman. Her name's Maraid. She's really great. And she was saying, Oh, but no, and she's Irish. So I don't know, maybe you know her. Of course, yeah. I see I see her at the meetings. The community? Once we reach for the same potato at the bowl, yeah. Oh my god.
It happens. Yeah. There was a fight. Um But she said, no, isn't she wonderful? She's just, you know, she's so you can't keep her down. No. You know, there's no one more resilient. No, she's wonderful. She's the strongest person I think I've ever seen. And I just went, huh? And then realized, yeah, because I don't feel bad playing her. I don't feel decimated when I'm playing her. Yep. Because I am rejecting
the rejection or the insult and turning it into something that she needs, that I need. Well she doesn't say no ever. Right. She says if they say, okay, now you've got a, you know, for this I'm making this up, but if in the new season they said, okay, to promote this next project, we're gonna you you need to be covered in duct tape. And we're gonna put bunny ears on you and you have to hop down Hollywood Boulevard, you'd be like, All right, well, okay, you know, I mean you can do it.
This is what we're doing. I guess this is what the kids want to see now. I don't get it. Right. But you would do it in a hundred and twenty degree heat. Yeah. And probably pass out, but She is intrepid, she's brave. Yeah. I don't know. And just I I She wants what she wants and whether you think that's a worthwhile goal is another issue. But Yeah, she doesn't give up and there's something I guess we like that.
So here's here's something about it. I don't know. All of a sudden like Lindsay Vaughn flashed in my head. You know, like everyone likes to come No, but'cause I was thinking, why is she doing this? Yeah. You know, and then like, well, everyone likes a comeback and everyone likes Yeah. Oh, I don't know, it seems dangerous and then
This just happened over the weekend. I don't know when this comes out, but Lindsay Vaughn crashed and I think she fractured her leg. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But there is the reality to um, you know, she was really brave. to make that attempt. But you're right, there's a high level of There's a slim chance this will work out. Right. A comeback so incredible are the odds against it. And you can't have a comeback or do that if you're not
Just being optimistic and hopeful. Hopeful against all odds, against like what's like presented right in front of your face. Right. I don't know. But yeah, I don't know. We do this every ten years. Yes. This is what I wanted to talk about. This is the thing. This is what I love. What's you so unique about this show is I think the first one is
Two thousand four or two thousand four and came out five. Yeah, and you were kind of I mean it's I think it's two years or something before keeping up with the Kardashians. It's like This is you were doing a satire of something that hadn't, I don't think, really formed yet. Right. Then you come back. ten years later and now, which then commented on that moment, and I think few people would have the
Patience or the nerve to say these come out once every ten years. But it's really cool because now I have not seen a second of of the third season, but the idea that you can now drop in again a decade later. It's very unusual. It is, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. But i I'm so it's so great that we didn't get picked up that first season because it gets to be about something.
Right. Were you surprised when it didn't get picked up? Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. I was surprised. Yeah. Why were you surprised? Just because it was really good. Thanks. And you think, well this will now get picked up. Yeah. Of course. Um I've been wrong about these things before. Yeah. Wait, what do you mean? I don't know. Um but I but I think uh You've only had an easy time. You're right. Um You and your privilege. I know. Never a bump in never a bump in the road.
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Ring och surfa i Sveriges bästa nät enligt Open Signal 2025. Välkommen till Telenor! What's nice about the world we live in now is shows used to go away all the time. Yeah. But now there's this world where Shows can not get picked up, but they they don't go away. And then you can have this audience built. and people who and if you
I mean I've seen it with so many like Party Downs, an example of a show that I don't think was getting a lot of attention, but you can check in on it years and years later and it's almost like the wire. The you know, there are these comedy shows that Okay, didn't see it, didn't support it.
You check in much later on. I wasn't aware of Party Down and then you you see it and you go, Oh, they've really they've made a nice little Swiss watch here. Yeah. And it's just as good now as it would have been if I had tuned in the day it came out. And definitely the comeback had that. Yeah. Where it was building and building and you probably experienced a lot of people when you're out at the supermarket. Oh yeah. The supermarket is where all the fans of the comeback are.
They are. They're there. They're there in the produce lane and you're there like, what about those melons? And you're like, I don't know, hey, the comeback. Um but I go to a lot of supermarkets. Uh but You must have had that experience where you're hearing from people. I love that. And so you didn't hear that necessarily from the, you know, the people that made the show or broadcast the show. Right. But you knew I'm hearing from way too many people.
Well even when it was when we were on, we heard David Bowie got in touch with HBO'cause he was gonna be on tour. He didn't wanna miss anything, so send him Whatever, I don't know, two thousand five DVDs or whatever it is. Look, I'm looking like I don't know we don't remember. Then you find out the other shows David Bowie wanted. I didn't get the latest fear factor. Shit. Can you have that one, please? Um you're like, David. But to and then we felt like, oh, okay. Yeah, that's right. HBO.
That's all they need to hear probably. And you know, we had a lot of bad reviews'cause people didn't understand what they were seeing. Right. And then uh by the ti halfway through there were revised reviews, like retractions and And when we're not going to be able to do that, you can't do that. So we f and also our ratings, we were doing as well, if not better, than Entourage was f when its first season was just the year before and went, All right, so great.
And where who else has shows that you don't un you've not seen this before? You don't really understand and then you get to know what it is and embrace it and it's great. Um HBO. Except they kept telling us, Yeah, we're not HBO's not HBO anymore. So I don't know. It's really gotta I don't know. We'll see. I don't know. And then it turns out I only found out a couple years ago. There was one guy.
At HBO that I don't know if I ever even met him in charge, who was just like, We're not gonna pick that up, right? Yeah. Yeah. So well, but I have to say, yes, it was a surprise that we didn't get picked up, but I didn't feel bad. Right. I and I was in shock that I didn't feel bad'cause I thought, well, look This is about the best I can do. And I think we did it about the best that it could be done. So I've got nothing to feel bad about. It's not my mistake. Yeah. So I don't know.
I didn't feel bad. Well that's I'm glad. Um you should have felt a little bad. Oh I felt bad later when I As long as you fad at some point. No, I did. Good. Good Oh no, don't worry. Good. Oh I felt bad. No, no. Like gut wrenching, it's like A hole in my soul inside. In my soul. Good. And my soul's That's necessary for good work.
It is? Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. You'll you'll have it one day, Sona. But it wasn't. Will I? But here's the thing. It wasn't because it was canceled. It was because someone else, it was Bill Maher talking about something and jokes. that don't land because of like one joke and I it was famous. I don't remember um someone making fun of someone who's marginalized or, you know, like
A victim or and he was saying, Look, you wanna make fun of white men, you can make fun of white men all you want, okay?'Cause they've got the power. Yeah. But don't make fun of that person or that thing and I went women are still you know, you can't make fun of women in that way. Like you can't Oh no. They're just it's too they're too easily recognized as victims if they're and I went, No I never thought of it that way. Oh.
I mean'cause so much great comedy I mean. Lucille Ball, you know, Tina Faye, so many great uh on and on and on have made fun of themselves as women and it's brilliant, you know? Well well, this wasn't the same. This was like a a man being cruel to her and I thought, no, it's a writer you know, g have giving a hard time to an actress. Like what
Like w why is that a big shock and horror? I mean, that's one what do you think what do you think actors and especially actresses have put up with forever? Yeah. You know, and haven't I dunno. I don't know. No anyway. So you prove me wrong. I take it back. I'll never say it again. I get it. No. I get it.
I get what she's saying. What do you what do you give us your input here, Sona? I just think y I actually think it's part of the reason why she was so just kind of like, okay, just taking it is cause she's used used to it. I mean that's how it's always been right. It's not gonna change. Exactly. Yeah. So you've gotta like here's here are the boundaries. Yeah. And so you just work within them, around them, you know, that's all. Yeah.
And I mean look, I I don't know if it's'cause I've I don't know if it's I never felt like Oh, I'm a woman and so you know, I don't get to. I don't know. I mean on some level, yes. Especially with this, it just didn't occur to me. It's like this isn't gender specific ambition or hopes and dreams. So it didn't occur to me that it would be an issue at all. And I think it kind of was. that it was a woman. But um now when you come back ten years later and you do the second season. Yeah.
You did you feel more assured that I know I really know who this character is, I know there's a lot of fans, people are excited for us to return. Did it feel different? Kind of. I mean, it's a little scarier because then there's expectations and and what Michael, Patrick King and I knew was it's ten years later, she's ten years older and it's gonna be different. It has to be different. And um You know, and then I just thought it was great that we had her win the Emmy. Yeah.
for a performance she couldn't even appreciate in herself because she was stuck on how tired she looked. Yeah. In the scene. And um And I liked I liked that a lot for her. And then of course the huge thing is that she, you know Leaves the Emmys that you hosted. Thank you. And um I got paid. Oh, you did? I told them you didn't have to get paid. It was That makes me mad. It was validated parking. That was my payment. Yeah. But um I ni I needed to say I'm kidding.
It's disturbing when you'll say something like, Yeah, and I hope something horrible happens to you, Conan. I'm kidding. That sh that I'm kidding chills me more. Oh, okay. Well,'cause it could be real. It could be true. Uh I'm explaining in the joke. So myself I was really sad. I was really sad about
The character of Mickey. Yes. The actor who plays your actor. Mickey. Robert Michael Morris. Yeah. And yeah, he he was such a so terrific and he completely nailed this kind of person that we all know, especially in this business. someone who's been with you a long time, is in your corner, and it's just you all you were getting was, you know, undiluted support from him. But uh
And of course he's not perfect, but I just s I was very obviously sad, you know, that that he had passed and that character is just kind of note perfect, I think. Yeah. He is. And also biting his tongue. Like we had so many takes. He was sort of a little bit of a reality check sometimes if she's saying something and you're wondering like
That's stupid, right? And then you like they switch over to Mickey who's looking confused or why'd she say that? Yeah. Yeah, he was great. Yeah. And that was a horrible loss. I mean, I I couldn't even think about doing more for a l really long time'cause we'd been talking about it and, you know, knew that it would it might be possible, you know, to do more. But no, it took me a really long time to
s get over Mickey. Like yeah. Yeah. But yeah. He was great. And you know, he wasn't He was sick when we were shooting that season and when our first day we were we had to walk back and forth a lot somewhere, I don't know, and he had to sit down. He said, I don't know if I can do this. And Michael Patrick King
you know, who know knew him and from college. That was his college acting teacher. And um and he came over and he and he just said, You can do it. Of course you can do it And I said, Yeah, and whatever you need and He got as over the course of shooting he got better and better and better and his doctors said, What are you doing?'Cause everything's good. The disease is not progressing. Yeah. Woo. We don't what are you doing? So I don't it's that stuff I I love.
Hearing stories about that. Yeah. Happening. Which'cause we don't understand it, but it makes a hundred percent We believe it. I I believe there have been times where I haven't felt well and then I've gone out and done a show for a really big audience, you know, at a theater or something, and I Uh uh I
I feel great afterwards. And you think, okay, this is adrenaline, but it's also community. I got my people around me. Um, I'm getting all this positivity. Right. If you're getting this bath that is uh very um you know life saving. Right. It's it's so I totally understand that. Yeah. I I right. I mean we d look if COVID taught us anything. Well, it taught us a lot of things. But uh to me one of them was, boy, our immune systems are everyone's is different and wow, the it seems like
what activates it and what you know, what helps it along and how much of wellness is immune system and then other things and we don't know. To me it just meant, oh That's right. We don't know most everything about it. Our bodies and our universe and every we don't know a lot. Well, I get most of it, but I don't think you would understand it. Okay. I'm sorry.
Do you uh you know what I mean? It's just the little Do I know what you mean? Yeah, I'm just thinking on like I'm thinking in like the ninth dimension. You know, so there's only so much I can do for you people. That's true. You know what's interesting? That's true. I just I'm sorry. By the way, I mean I think Conan is so smart that he could explain physics.
No. Not physics. Physics I don't understand. You don't? No. I really don't. Did you ever take physics? No. I mean I did in like high school, but I I you know, when they start saying, Oh, time is a relative. Of course I understand that. Um I'm the one who explained it to Einstein. Oh okay. But no, there's so much I don't understand. Uh did it. Oh okay. Yeah. Went back in time and he was like, Who is this man? Who what are you doing in my patent office?
Hey, E equals M C squared, buddy, and grow out a mustache. Oh, yeah. And then I zip back to the future. Yeah. Yeah. Spot on. Well that was Einstein. Can I hear it again? I'm trying to work into patent office. There we go. Okay. And I th oh who's this Irish lady? I'm a dude, man. You look like Jane Lynch. Shut up. He knew J Square.
Time is relative. Yeah. He just tried to explain it to you. I don't even know. So here's an interesting thing about you is that you've experienced this Real uh this real victory in this space with the comeback But you also got to experience
That failure. Oh no. What if that's where you were going? That would be great. Yes, yes. You I don't know I don't know what you were doing before the comeback. It just didn't pop, whatever it was. No, my point being that you With friends, you could arguably say you got to be in the last giant communal TV, you know, mega hit that And no one at the time realized This is maybe the last of these where everyone's gonna watch this show and it's a cultural cultural touchstone and
Um this is where we all are watching these people go through this this life. that was such a phenomenon. Yeah. And very few people get to be in the nose cone of that rocket. And you've had both these both very different experiences. But the success you're having now is is the success of this new way of experiencing T V as opposed to the massive you know, uh it
Cheers level, happy days, massive uh and I'm just curious, like you've experienced them both, and I don't think a lot of people have. That's gotta be an unusual to have both of those. Okay. But also it's a different it's a very um it's it's It's a very it's a great piece of work that is Uh that fits this new medium really well. In my opinion Which is um Okay. I'm just trying to understand. Because what do you mean time's relative? Yeah. See a guy's on a train and he's passing a station.
Now what if someone on the station throws an orange? what I'm hearing simultaneously while you're talking about the other thing.'Cause time folds'cause you're existence. Yeah, you're on both phones at the same time. Oh, right. Okay. And it's nineteen eighty six and hi, I'm Lisa. Yeah. Yeah.
I mean I'm also at that point in my life now too. I'm traveling I'm existing on this plane in two thousand twenty six, but I'm also right now in uh nineteen eighty six and I'm buying tons of Lisa Coudros stock. And now I'm rich. Um It was exciting when I went public. I made a killing! I already know some of you were started buying Lisa when friends hit the air, but not me.
I was there in the olden days when we were in a weird basement doing improv. Right. For absolutely nobody. I think that one night we had one person in the It was a rat. But they applauded. They applauded and they had good they had good suggestions. But they k they were the same suggestions. Virulent disease. Rat, you said that already. You were so mad at me. It felt like there were days we were doing this and you were just looking at you like
We're doing this? Like why did what did you do? It was. We were in a performing in a theater that was at the bottom of the Scientology Center and no one would come in. And there was one person, I think one night there was one or two people in a theater that and we did our show anyway. We were like, We're gonna
The real pros perform even when there's one or two people. Let's go. And then afterwards I was just embittered. Oh Yeah, you were That's rough. And she was my you know, uh s so honest. Elise is always super honest with me and I just She would uh when I would be down or if someone was doing performances that were hacky, I would put my head in my hands like this and she'd say, They can see you. Yeah. You're being a dick. And I'm like, Oh right, you're right, you're right, I forgot. That's subtle.
compared to what you were doing. You know what you were doing. What were you what were you show them what you were actually doing? I don't know. I can't Oh, pulling my hair out. Yeah. You know that bit? That funny bit when he's Like in so much he's pulling his hair out. And So it's a little more than just there. Oh no.
What I'm saying I I'm saying you're a terrible person. Basically, I guess. Wow. That's not nice. Yeah. That's not a nice thing to do to do. I wore my heart on my sleeve. I know. When it came to comedy. Yeah. And I that was not always a good thing. And I needed to just be a good one. You just need to put a sheet over me. You just need to put a sheet over me When someone went up to do a nerd character and had
tape around the middle of their glasses was going, mmm, mmm, I've been working on a new formula and I like computers. And Lisa just needed to have you need to have a tarp that they put over a barbecue outdoors. You just need to have one that you put over me so that they couldn't see No, it was going oh, you're going up? Okay.
Give me a second. Conan, we're gonna put the tarp on now. Then you just see a quivering tarp with steam coming off of it. With fists coming out of the steam. Okay, listen. What is this beat up Conan day? Soda's not gonna stand for that. Yeah, I am. I am. Oh, okay. I'm gonna laugh and I'm gonna enjoy it. Yeah. But to me it's not baiting up on you. It's just you are we had a highly attuned Antenna for subpar comedy. And that's the whole thing about classes, everyone's learning.
What their clown is. Don't you hate that expression? Find your clown. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Anyway, that's another groundling thing. Teachers were like, you know, you just gotta find your clown and I'd get really mad. The one thing I still can't do to this day is um improv warm up exercises. And there have been I didn't like them back in the eighties.
And uh I just wanted to go out there and do the thing and I didn't wanna play these games backstage to have us all get in the mood. Right, me neither. Not in the mood. And then um yeah, and it's these games like I'll look at you and go boop and you look at me and go bloop and blip bloop and you're always in an alley somewhere in Hollywood and uh it smells like urine and you're going boop boop blip blip boop. And I would say, can we just not do this? I will pay you.
I will pay you if we don't have to do this. And be like, You have to do it, man. It's really good. We had to do that recently. We did. We did a we did a show for charity and backstage. Again, in an alley. in Culver City, I think, and someone said, Okay, everybody, let's warm up, let's gay let's play
Skittily daddy dee. I know. Skitty doo, skitty dee, skitty daddy. What is that really? And I don't know what it is. What's you know? No, I didn't know what the thing was. They were even telling me. I didn't know either and I said But it was an involved thing. But first you had to like Skidop like just like kick it out. And I was begging. I was saying, can I just not do this? Yeah, why did you do it? No, I think we did it a little bit and then just went, All right. Okay. So moving on. Is it time?
I think it's time. I think I don't know that we have time for this. I m I made the sound of a siren. I said, Oh, I think someone I think there's someone got hurt somewhere. We better go inside. Oh the cops are coming. We better clear out a gunshot? Yeah. Kapow! That's not a gun, Conan. That's a terrible gun. Now get back to your blue I said blipped. You gotta say blipped
Anyway, that's just me. I wasn't built for it. No, I didn't like it either. Yeah. I almost quit because I didn't like what I saw in the first improv class where it's like throw a space ball and they're just and And be angry. And they're just like Gur. Maybe I'm not this isn't for me. You know what's interesting? I've always thought and this is something that's true of legitimate acting, which is not what I do. But
the the line between it being great and you absolutely humiliating yourself is so razor thin. And, you know, a lot of acting classes kind of you need to just put that stuff all aside and strip yourself of all your uh and I I think uh of of your defenses. and then sob or roll around on the floor or pretend you're a jelly bean or all that kind of stuff. And I thought
Yeah, I did you go mm like good jelly bean or that was you being a jelly bean? Yeah, I was like, Mm, yeah, yum, yum. I love jelly bean. So I'm gonna eat every day though. Yeah, um is a good jelly. But I don't know, I always thought oh no, all I am is if I weigh a hundred and you know ninety pounds, a hundred and eighty-five of it are defense mechanisms. And then some hair and maybe some teeth.
So I can't g I'm not gonna get rid of all that stu I can't do it. I mean I have my hat's off to people that can do it. I have a lot of respect for But you still use so much improv. You learned something. No. Both of you did learn a lot, I'm guessing, unless you already were just natural improvisers. Both of us brought some of our own way we think to it. And then yes, you learn great.
Tools, crazy. About listening. Listening, talking, responding, and then just and committing. And that was the first thing I learned. Watching him. He was really committed to throwing a ball. And you didn't look No no no. But there was no ball. He was pretending there was a ball and it looked like he was throwing a ball and he looked like a little angry but not over the top. No, you did it. And that's what acting is, which is why you can act. I let you say all that.
You know,'cause I felt like you really wanted to. But um No, you can, you can act. You can act because you know how to listen and respond. Isn't that all it is? I guess. I don't know what it is. I don't either. Yeah. Um but whatever you're doing, keep doing it. All right. That's what I'll tell you. Oh I don't know. I don't know. I mean maybe you have questions for Lisa.
'Cause you know, I know Lisa so well and I'm done. Yeah. But I I know Lisa so well that some t these are interesting interviews for me always because sometimes I think well we just talked about that at dinner. Right. So then I think, oh, I want to make sure that the
the people listening get some stuff that isn't just me because I know Lisa so well. You know? I mean Is that does that make sense? Yeah, I I totally get it. I think that I do have a lot of questions about you guys starting off together in terms of Are you both kind of the same people as you were back then, you think? Yes. You are. Yeah, I am. You don't think you are? I think I'm very much the same. I will tell you, we both had not great cars.
So you have better cars now? That was no I'm just talking about like we gotta start somewhere that people can understand. But what's my car?
How do you think that's a good thing? You had a Dotson Z yeah. And it was fun. Two eighty Z? You had a two eighty Z. That's a nice that's a nice No, it was a fine car. I'm just saying it was um it was a it's a great it was a great sports car. And then I could get a little bit more than a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little clean and I smoked.
So you did? Yeah. What? I don't know. I did of course I did. For twenty years. Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Pack a day. No, Lisa. Part-time, poorly. And I used to say you could do better at smoking. You could and I would get mad. You'd be smoking, but not enough. And I'd be like, come on.
Are you winning her out? Are you in or out? You gotta be a three-pack a day smoker, Lisa. Did you ever smoke? No. Oh my god. No, if I smoked, I would look. I was very aware that if I smoked, I would look like a kid who got into a pack of. Cigarettes. And like the teacher came by and went, put those down, Augie. I'm picturing you next to Lisa though with those candy cigarettes. Yeah, yeah. Puffing little powdered sugar. Oh, and I started smoking this summer. I was at Harvard.
Oh that's you were we were there at the same time because you went you were there in the summer. We were there at the same time. And I used to work on the lampoon in the summers there. So I never missed a summer there. And I was so I was there there one summer. And that's when I started smoking because those fucking bugs. Those flying water bugs as big as your fist. What does that have to do with you needing to smoke? Who says there's too many bugs? I need to smoke. Why?
'Cause it m terrified me. It stressed me out so much and I didn't tell you the part that made it so bad as I'm sleeping and I hear a jet has flown into my room. Oh god. Okay,'cause it's these old crappy buildings next to the river and there's no screens on'em, but there's no air conditioning because, you know, it's the east coast. And Well, that's how it fell East Coast East you East Coast in the eighties. Um and it was an old an old charming dorm building. And so the windows were open.
And I went, What what Something mechanical flew into the room. It was the loudest. And there was a giant water b flying cockroach water bug. Don't you're looking like I don't know what she's talking about. No no no I'm not gonna The whole time I was there I didn't see a No there's there can be some big bugs but it never made me think I need a smoke. Okay. And then it was on my and it was just like on my wall.
So now it's this big on my wall and I went okay. And I grabbed my shoe, dumbass, throwing a tennis shoe, that's way too slow. Yep. As I throw it, it's Flying toward my head. And and then I couldn't sleep. And, you know, there were cigarettes somewhere and I just started smoking and it calmed me down because nicotine is wonderful. Oh. It's really good. It's good stuff. Never had it. Yeah. And then
Another one flew in and they became pets. There was no getting them out and there was no choice. We got them little toys. Figured out their favorites. He looked at me when I was being insane about something and tightly wound and he said, You're the only person I know who would be healthier
If he smoked. Oh, I'm not sure. That smoking and the breathing and the nicotine, you it would extend your he said, Conan, it would extend your life. It's bad for everyone else, but you and I was somet I think about that sometimes because Robert been right about a lot of things. And now I think at my age, if I started now I'm like, come on, how much damage could I do? No, but this has nicotine in it. Oh nicotine gum. Yeah. Look, I didn't even take one, but I have it.
This is turning into an ad for starting to smoke, which I don't want it to be, although I'm a little intrigued. Well, I don't wait, but I do want to say something'cause you said are you different? And here's you are a little different. How? I mean we should be, shouldn't we? Yeah. Don't you think? Sure. Okay. But you had told like when we met from my from when I was in nineteen eighty six. Well yeah. I mean I should hope so. I don't think you're as tightly wound. No, I'm not.
Okay. Good. He was worse he was worse than the thing. You have been gotten a lot more chill. Yeah. Yeah, I see that too. But he told me that he would be so tightly wound, like something I can't I either I don't remember or I just don't want to say. Um no,'cause you were telling me something happened at college and it upset you and you sat and you quietly just like took a part a chair. Yeah. Really just like quietly. Yeah. Patiently. Yeah. With rage.
Wow. Yeah. And there was a very sturdy wooden chair that they have at Harvard that has like the Harvard insignia on it and I've quietly was pulling out all of the pieces of the chair. Oh boy. Yeah, I had that in me. I if there's a there's a guy in here Um, who uh it scares me. But um Is that scary?'Cause maybe this is scary. You told me that story and I went, yeah.
Right. Yeah. He doesn't yeah if I went in front of the biggest thing. No, no, I would never turn that on anyone. Uh the person I beat up on mostly is me. And writers who need a physical beating every now and then. Sure. Well No, I yeah. But I mean uh I we of course we both changed. I think having kids. Changes you too. Yeah. Yeah. Like I love and I said this recently on someone else's podcast, but so much of being young is being narcissistic.
Mm-hmm. So it's necessary. You kind of have to be a narcissist when you're young and it's gotta be all about you, and your problems have to be the biggest thing in the world because you are going through life and it's the stakes are big. And then once My daughter showed up, and then later my son, I remembered instantly knowing, Oh yeah, I don't count anymore. It I'm not. Uh I get it. Yeah. And and liking it.
Like it's about them. Yeah. I've gotta be here for them. Ah and uh just even thinking about it, I'm much calmer. Yeah. So I yeah, needed to be having kids when I was fifteen. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. All of us. Hi kids, settle down. Dad, why do you have acne? Shut up. I gotta go to high school now. Well not yet, but next year You guys settle down. I'm gonna go watch Star Trek reruns. Um well I am thr I think we're all thrilled. Anytime you drop in. Thanks. Uh and
Um so excited for the new season of the comeback, which is a jewel. It's just so beautifully made and really looking forward to it. And I love you. You're one of my favorite people in the history of the world. Oh, come on. Seriously. Yeah, you are mine too. You just did a me too, yeah. Uh Okay. I mean, come on. I won't. It wasn't me. Thank you for your thank you. Mail it. Here comes a bird with it. If you'd give me your address, I would.
Yay, what's play? Squip scoop! Gotta warm up for improv. Okay. Lisa Coudreau, peace out. Tupac. IKEA presenterar ljud av förändring. Men slut! Jag har inte det tänkt snet! Vida. Teksting av Nicolai Winther Väng firar 70 år av resor, och det gör vi med massor av erbjudanden som är omöjliga att motstå. jubileumserbjudanden på wing.se. De bästa resorna försvinner först. Okay, I'm gonna break into this programming now with uh urgent urgent news update. David Hopping just saw the backstreet boys.
At the sphere. And whatever you're doing, if you're driving right now, I want you to pull over to the side of the road. Uh if you're listening cooking uh dinner, dinner uh I mean just order, order out. Um because this is just Yeah. Uh David, what was this experience like? Backstreet Boys, the sphere. Paint the picture because America wants to know. Okay. Hi America. Um
It was on America just hung up. It's just one person named America. Yeah, it's America Ferrara. She does not want to hear this story. Got there with no traffic. We got there under four hours, which That's nice a win. People love that part of the story. Um And then whenever you hear about seeing an iconic band at the sphere, you said paint the picture. People's favorite story is about the commute. Okay, I love I love that you consider the Backstreet Boys iconic. This is nice.
You didn't see my uh I have put little quotes around it. No, they uh come on they're amazing. I'm not gonna shit on the backstreet. I'm not gonna I just didn't I I didn't know they were your cup of tea. I I'm just saying this is a huge band, whether or not I know all their songs, I know a few of them, let's get to the place. Um do it before it's not done doing. Which which goes. Yeah. Do it before it's not done. Hey, hey, do it. Um, she's all that and a corn sandwich. Uh
They have some great songs that are part of the American experience. Yeah. Uh but anyway, um just get to the good thing. We got to the sphere. We had Then we stopped and we got canned peaches. Sorry, go ahead. I got a drink and a souvenir cup that has all their faces on it. Then we walked, we had standing on the floor. So have you been to the sphere? I haven't been to the sphere. Because like Sona and I get excited about like l the little things in life. Yeah. But walking into this.
Seeing the huge screen was everything. And then everyone stuck to y you were supposed to wear all white to the concert. Why? Everyone,'cause it's like their uh millennium album cover, they're all wearing white. Oh, I thought they were all saving themselves from marriage. Which I admire. Like a virginal thing. They're virginal, yeah. Yeah. They're all like pushing 60. They're like when the time comes, I want it to be spent. And now for my next hit.
Gotta get going to the place where we go. That's a big one. Um, everyone stuck to the theme though. Everyone wore white. That's great. And then they came out and I've never seen anything like this. Like The it was like space themed, so there's like a spaceship above you. And it's like everyone's like looking up. I miss them even coming out on the stage because the visuals were just so cool. So I'm getting the sense they didn't need to be there.
They did. Their music was everything. Well they could play the music and then you could look at your spaceships and then, you know, whatever. They could have anybody get up there wearing a white shape. No, they needed to be there. Okay. Eduardo's going soon. Are you going to the backstreet boys? No, no, no. I'm going to catch uh no doubt. Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Taking my wife, my niece, my granddaughter. Yeah.
I don't know if they've ever had a comedy show though. You should try to be like the first person. You know how I prefer to watch No Doubt? When they premiere on my show in New York. Oh, what a flex. In nineteen ninety-three. What a flex. Mic drop. Uh so the sphere. Yeah. I want to go to
Here's what I wanna do. I wanna go to the sphere when they're featuring something that in no way is enhanced or benefited by the sphere. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Uhhuh. I wanna go when all they're doing is someone's playing a banjo. And they're rebroadcasting Walter Cronkite's last episode of the news.
And it's just a regular news program where at the end he's and they just run that a couple of times and someone plays a banjo. And it's all around you on the sphere. No special effects. It's just Walter Cronkite saying, It's been an honor and a pleasure. And uh you know, take care and uh uh be well.
the screen at all. It's like two people having a guest lecture on like AI. And they're not even two. No, no, you use the screen because at one point the two people giving a lecture mention um I'll be talking about this at a separate conference which is on March third and just the date March third comes up. And tiny fonts. And small font on one part of the sphere. Those are the things I want to go see at the sphere. I want my dream is to misuse the sphere. Let me be very clear.
I will go and do something at the sphere that completely misuses that amazing technology. PowerPoint presentation on like a timeshare in Vegas. Yeah. And then you're just like holding on. It's just one little part. It's one little square. That could you can't even see it? Well no, here's the thing. You can kinda see it. That's important to me. You can kinda see it. And I go on and on.
Oh my gosh. Uh yeah, that's how I wanna use the sphere. But anyway, so you had a good time? Had a great time. It was Yeah, and then at the end I was actually texting Sona after because it's just a bunch of drunk Backstreet Boys fans all walking in some hallways singing their songs together. Yeah. And what else could you want? Hey, wait a minute. Isn't that Jub Jub? What's it what are their names? Uh well there's Nick. There's AJ. Wait, wait, there's Nick.
I don't know. Is there a Nick? Yeah. Okay. I wanna just make that up. Is everyone okay? Everyone's healthy? Everyone's healthy. Okay. They're all there. Okay. It's like the um New kids on the block also are in Vegas. They're all there. I'm Oh, I know they're there. trying to pick a date to go see them. You need to those guys ever join forces, you know? Or is it like Marvel in D C where that's not allowed? No, they've they've done they've toured together before. Oh, they all get together? Yeah.
Oh, I just thought I had this cool idea. Oh no. And can they then join up with another group like you know, minuto or is can can you ever get another group that joins them? So those two united Backstreet Boys and New Kids on the block, but then who else could join? We need an in sync reunion. Oh. In sync. I mean it could be ninety eight degrees. It could be O Town. What if you got them all together? I mean all together.
And then um didn't let them perform. Wait, what do they do? They are giving the PowerPoint presentation. You get'em all together backstage and then you lock the door. And then I go out And I show a I I show a little timeshare uh Lecture it's projected on one small part and they have to watch it and they can't get out. They can't get out. The ultimate bait and switch. I love it. You'll be murdered by a lot of people. Hey, a lot of people have tried. A lot of people have tried.
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