Jeff Bridges

Hello, my name is Jeff Bridges and I feel very open, very a lot of love, I'm a love man, not a love feelings, I'm surfacing now about being Conan O’Brien's friend and being here with him, actually. This is the most thoughtful, beautiful, you're a lovely, you're a lovely guy. Thank you, man, I feel the same about you. I mean, I can't remember all the time to we've encountered each other over a long long time.

I was plenty of times at night when you're sleeping. That's me, yeah, and I always take a little something when I go. But you leave a little something to. I leave a little something to. Hey there, welcome to Conan O’Brien Needs A Friend, joined by my stalwart companions, Sonna M obsessedion, hey Sonna. And of course Matt Gourley. That's the name. Yes, I just wanted to, I just need your social security numbers now.

And then I can steal your health insurance. I want to bring up something to Sonna which is over the years I guess it's become well known Sonna that you are my assistant and that you are Armenian. Yes. People just come up to me now wherever I am in any situation and say, Conan, I'm Armenian, but Ev! And I know to say because we went to Armenia together, oh, Inch Pasek. We are everywhere.

Everywhere. But the thing is it's almost like if other people around are like, I said a year and I'll leave him alone. No, Armenians just to like, and I don't mind it, I love them. They're very nice. But I'm starting to notice that they will crash through a wall if I'm alone in a room and go, Conan, Burev! I'm like, hey, whoa, Inch Pasek. I will say, I mean just my experience is we're not great with boundaries.

Right. And we don't take pick up on like social cues of when it's okay and not okay to say it. Oh, and I think they're really excited to see it. They're excited and they always want to hear like how Sonna is doing. They want to know how you're doing. But then you don't imagine that's the case. Matt Gorglian. Oh, Matt Gorglian. Yeah. Matt Gorglian. I just said Matt Gorglian. I just wanted to tweak it a little. I wanted to punch it up. Yeah. Just Gorglian.

But then they asked, they want to know all about you. And I say you've got these, you know, these twin boys. They want to know, you know, they're always very interested in the fact that who did you marry? And I say like, relax. He's Armenian. Yeah. So they don't get mad. If you tell them they're, because I am a little self conscious that I name them such American names. Do they like look, of course, Mikey and Charlie? No, I never bring that up because I think they might not like it. Oh, really?

Yeah, because, well, I never say because I was surprised when you told me, when you said that the twins are born. This is like three years ago now. I was so excited. And I said, I'm downstairs. Can I come up with the hospital? And you said, I'd rather you didn't just leave whatever gifts you have. And I was like, well, that's weird. I drove all the way. Has anyone cut the political cord yet? Yeah. I really thought I'd be in a big part of that.

You made it very clear. I should just get back in my car and leave. But no, I was, and then I said, what are your kids names? And you went Mikey and Charlie. And I thought it was going to be, you know, grudy and strudy. What's wrong with that? First of all, it sounds like that's grudy and strudy. That's right. You're right. I went through about that. That's what's wrong with this. Give me the names that they could have been like Armin and Rafi or Kevler. Artaq is tax name.

Yeah, yeah. Artaq Jr. Ar air air air pod. Air pod. Hold on. Air pod. Car van. Car van. Beats by dry. Vortex is vortex. No. Do you want to keep trying? I think we should. Yes. I think you're trying to say you should stop now. No, but unfortunately you said, do you think we should keep trying? Right. Which makes me want to go grogol. Okay. But anyway, no. I think we should keep trying. But do you get some flack in the Armenian community for naming them? Mikey and Charlie.

They go to an Armenian school and a lot of the parents name their kids Armenian names. And then I just see Charlie and Mikey. I'm like, I think we let our people down a little bit. Also, you talked on that song since they were very little. We must assimilate. Assimilate. Assimilate. That song. It's a Mr. Roger. We must assimilate. And I was like, why are you teaching them this? Oh my god. Shut our immigrant past. That's the song you taught them. And Tak plays it on the guitar.

We must assimilate. Assimilate. We must assimilate. And chat our immigrant past. Chat our immigrant past. Chat our immigrant past. As far as anybody knows, we're little Dutch boys. Denen, denen, denen. I just think I was a weird song to teach your children at such a young age. But they should assimilate. Right? I don't know. It's good. I think I always feel badly from my mom because I think deep down, she really wanted us to be the kind of kids that could go to a country club.

And we just weren't. We were Irish pirates. We were single. And I used to just pretty much tell her that. Like, what are you talking about? We're just Irish. We're 100% Irish. We're bombs. That she wasn't intellectual. Your dad isn't intellectual. I know, but it doesn't. It was snow. And then I know my parents are very smart, accomplished people. And then they had kids and we were like, but it kind of backward on them because you're very intellectual, but in a way that probably infuriates them.

It's like some kind of Cassandra curse. Like, be careful what you wish for. Yeah. Well, I don't know. Something went horribly wrong. But I think I like Mikey and Charlie. And I do think they've grown into those names. They are Mikey and Charlie. That's who they are now. Did they have Armenian middle names? Yeah. Creek or Antonio. Have with it. I love that one. And what's the other one? Tanya. I mean, it's Tanya. It's Daniel. And what's Creek or Gregory? Oh, I named him after my grandparents.

Oh, you just forgot your grandparents are named Charlie and Mikey. Yeah, no, they're Creek, what Antonio? They're my grandfather. Grandpa Mikey and grandma Charlie. Oh, yeah. I'll never forget the day in 1907. When Mikey saw a beautiful Charlie walking down the lane, carrying that basket of dried apricot. Come on. Creek or Creek or my grandma went by Eddie. That was her name. Is that true? What's her form? My Eleanor. But why Eddie? I don't know, to be honest.

My grandmother who lived with us for a while, who I think was born in 1890. So she really saw everything in a lifetime. But her, we always knew her as Motti. Her nickname was Motti. And we would say, why is your name? What does everyone call you Motti? Motti, and it was because there was a comic book, a comic strip, when she was about eight years old, about a Mule named Motti that would kick. And at the playground, she once kicked, like some boys were bothering her and she was kicking at them.

And they called her Motti. And so a hundred years later, we're saying, hey, Motti, past the salt. What's her real name? I'm shocked, you guys weren't country club. Yeah. You mule damaged lineage. What's her real name? Yeah. It was Ruth. Ruth. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, which was my mom's name too. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's cool. Oh, so she, that's your mother's mother. And they did like my mother's mother.

And what we, She was named after, she was named after this kicking Mule in a comic strip that was popular in, you know, nineteen hundred or eighteen ninety eight, and then it stuck like one day on the playground. Yeah, you're a real Motti that one. And then cut to, you know, us, a hundred years later, a hundred years, but whatever, 85 years later, you called her by her nickname, though, you didn't call it grandma. We called her Motti.

Okay. And we called our grandfather, my mother's father, Hooper. And because, no, that's true because he, as a young man, he was a policeman in Worcester, Massachusetts, who directed traffic, but he knew like one dead step and people were like, yeah, you're a real hoofah. And that kicker over there is a real Motti. And so we called them Hooper and Motti. And then the one day we go to enlist at the country club. They're like, well, tell us a little bit about yourself, kid.

Hey, there are six of you. You seem to have been born three months apart. And your shirts are all torn. Tell us about yourself. Well, grandma is Motti after the kicking mule. And our cop, grandfather is called Hooper. Because he knew a dead step. He used to kick the winos with it. All right. Well, this is back door here you can use. But should I tell my mother? Should I tell all of it we're in? And we can come here and eat peanut butter and jam sandwiches? No, get the fuck out of here.

Do you want to hear my way? Other grandfather, shitsy? Yeah! Get out! Oh! All right. And by the way, God rest your soul. Hey, shitsy, get over here. Where'd they come? Shitsy. Hey, took a shit. When World War I was declared, he shits pants. Because he knew he had to fight. So he called him shitsy. Say hello to Gishe Schmeckman. Shitsy. What's your way? Well, who did he marry? He married a fucket. A fucket? Yeah. She was three in 1850. She banged her shit on a stool. Ah, fucket.

So a fucket met shitsy. So about this country club application. Where do I sign? And where do my 15 brothers and sisters sign? Who are all born the same day? And where do we check in bread? Hey! Is that a golf course? Can we play? We've got hockey sticks. I can't breathe. Quick apology to my family. Too late. We're throwing you on the bus. Hey, my guest today. My guest today is an Academy Award-winning actor. Oh my god, why? The chasm between the shit we talk about.

The chasm between how low we are and the quality of the people that come here. It's like, first guest won the Nobel Peace Prize. My guest today is an Academy Award-winning actor who has started such films as Tron, Iron Man, and the Big Lebowski. Now you can see him in the FX series, The Old Man. I really do love this show. I'm glad it's back. I'm thrilled he's here today. Jeff Bridges, welcome. So you know, it's so funny because you've done so much incredible work.

And I've also thought about how I just have this bond with your family because when I was a kid, they would show reruns a lot. And my brothers and I, there was one thing that we watched in the summer. And it was... We would watch C-hunt. C-hunt was on. And of course, your dad, the great Lloyd Bridges, was the star of C-hunt. And so I remembered when you first came on the scene and I'd see you in movies and people... I would think of you as Lloyd Bridges... That's Lloyd Bridges son.

Because he was on C-hunt and that's the show we watched with my brother, Neil and Luke. And we would watch C-hunt. And we thought that was the coolest show in the world. And of course, we were watching it long after it had been on. We're watching it in the 70s. Oh right. It was the late, the early 60s. Now you've triggered a story. Okay. That's what I do. I trigger people. You've triggered me. C-hunt. You mentioned C-hunt. Now this is also a plug for a fella named Richard Peterson.

Okay. People can Google Richard Peterson's first movie, Big City Dick. It's called Big City Dick. Richard Peterson's first movie. That's the official title. And I met this fella maybe 30 years ago in Seattle. I'm getting dressed to go down and do this movie, American Heart. I hear this. Outside my window, I look out there and there's this ball kind of heavy set kind of tight, madness, sport coat. It's like, I know. I know. I go down there. I forget all about the guy.

And he comes up to me and goes, oh, Lloyd Bridges son. Son of C-hunt. I'm going to say, you got me. And then I realized what he was playing on his trumpet was C-hunt music. And he comes up to me and he says, these are the cues. I need to have the cues, these cues. And I say, what is this? He says the cues from C-hunt. You know, every time they go, he saw it. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, you know, Richard Peterson is a Savant and his subject C-hunt. Yeah, all the crazy music.

And also what's crazy is his connection with you as mine was just like early, early on was through your dad. And then you've gone on to have this insane career, but it doesn't matter what you do to this guy, you'll always, the connection will always be C-hunt. So now, years later, I'm about 20 years later, I'm doing a C-biscuit in Pasadena.

I have a big suite of us, piano in the room and these guys come over and say, do you know Richard Peterson, where some documentary film directors, the three of us have gotten to get asked, oh yeah, I tell him this story. And they say, now, Richard's downstairs. Can you come up? I said, oh, wonderful. I've always wanted to, because he's really a piano player. I said, we got a piano. And we get down there and we start playing C-hunt music. You're playing the stings to an early 60s television show.

And as I'm walking him out the door, saying, Richard, you know, are you into jazz? Because it's kind of, you know, out there music playing. And you'd like for instance, and he looks at me. I dig C-hunt. Have you heard of Mozart? Yes. Was he on C-hunt? Yes. So C-hunt. No, he's well. But you know, I don't know. I know that you're in the business. You did obviously some cameos on C-hunt with your brother Bo.

And then I remember a movie came out that to this, I love this movie, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. And my, my, have you, you know this film? Yeah, yeah. And it's Clint Eastwood. It's you. It's George Kennedy. It's a great fucking movie. And I love that movie. And you're, you popped so much in that movie. You must have been a young kid at the time. Yeah, I can't remember how old I was. I think it was the movie's 1974. They probably shot it in 1973. Yeah. But you're just such a great character.

Well, it was, it was, um, Chaminos first. Michael Chaminos. Michael Chaminos first movies. The guy directed Heaven's Gate. Yep. Yep. Completely different experience. You know, in Heaven's Gate, we would do up to 60 takes. You know, but, you know, we're here. We're show up. And I'm not sure if I really dug that approach because nobody, you know, nobody. You never know.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or you went into it, you know, but, um, with Thunderbolt and Lightfoot, Clint always only liked to do, you know, one take maybe two, you know, and I was the kid who'd go up to Chaminos and say, God, I got out of here. Well, that's the boss. And Clint would say, yeah, I guess the kid. Give me a kid one more time. Yeah. But, uh, that film is very, uh, close to my heart because that's the first film I did in Montana.

Yeah. And, uh, man, that's what we've just came back from Montana. So I'm a little, well, there is, uh, I know a movie is great when the loss of a character, uh, upsets me on an emotional level. Or if a character's hurt, it upsets me because, you know, there's a lot of violence. There's a lot of things that can happen in movies and television and you just don't feel anything. And George Kennedy gives your character a beating and it upsets me. Cause I was so invested in your character.

And I thought, that's a good movie. And that's a good, that's proof to me that the acting here is top level when I'm upset. I mean, you see, if you just casually watch anything, you'll see people getting the shit kicked out of them a million times, you're a numb to it. But I don't know. I felt a real loss there when your character was, was beaten like that. It just upsets me and it still does. I'm smiling because I, it's funny when I see movies that I'm in, they're like home movies.

You know, I remember so many different things about it when I watch it. And as you're telling that story, my mind was like very much like the Richard Petersen story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just shared with you. That was perhaps too long. Do you like a longer, uh, and you edit this, right? Yeah, I'll just give you a long as you have. Oh, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, Jeff, I assure you, I assure you, this is all gold. This is a great day for me. I love that you're here. Okay. You can do no wrong.

Go, but you're the dude, you know, I think we have to acknowledge you are the dude. And you know, it's so crazy. You came on my show once and you were wearing sandals, jelly sandals. And then you revealed these are the same ones you wore as the dude. And I felt like I was in Rome watching, looking at like a religious icon. You know, it was just crazy that you had those. Yes. What? No, not them. These are my, these are my hocus. No, they're hip dogs. Doesn't the dude do the sandals?

Yeah, the dude is, the dude is evolved. Oh, my dude evolved. Yeah, the dude. So, let me, let me, let me, let me. That should be the new one, the dude evolved. The dude evolved. There you go. It's all set up. Yeah. You're in Lebowski too. Yeah. And in this one, he's pregnant. But he was, Mod's got a baby. Yeah. The stranger said it up. And the one, and the one difference is his, his footwear. It's still open toad, but it has more support orthopedic. It's orthopedic. Yeah. It's right.

That's really the only difference. I like it. I, you know, I was going to, oh, go ahead. I just, he had that story. Yeah, I was going to tell the story. So what that triggered when you were talking about the Thunderbolt and Life, but that scene that you're talking about where I die in the car with Clint, I go up to Mike. I say, Mike, to me. Mike, you mean, yeah. I've got an idea of Mike. Now, I can do this with my eye. I don't know where the camera is. You see, I don't know. You see, like that.

I can hold a half blank pretty good. Yeah. So I said, why don't we get a dentist? Because I suppose they die of a brain hemorrhage. Brain hemorrhage. You've been beaten really badly. And Clint thinks you're going to be okay. Yeah. I say, let's get a dentist up here and shoot me with Novacade in this part of my face. And I'll go like that. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, okay. So we did that. And it worked great. And they lost the film. What? And we had to do the whole thing again. I love being there.

Who comes in and tells you that? Oh, man. You know the thing where you, the dentist, has to come in. That's unbelievable. Because that's a very powerful ending where you think everything's okay. And then you realize that you're gone. Yeah. Man, I don't know what your approach says. I know that you're a very philosophical person who thinks about things and doesn't take things for granted. I also happen to know that through your father, you learned like, this is a job. Do you know what I mean?

You've got to respect the crew. This is real work. So you grew up with this great ethic. And do you have a perspective on your career? Because you've done so many of me, you've been, how do you see it? Do you see it as like, I wrote a wave? Do you see it as? I worked hard. I made good decisions and a mixture of both. Well, it's quite amazing. You know, friend asked me, there was a like to be famous kind of like, what do you, you know, what? And I grew up with a fame.

You know, my dad was famous with Seahunt. You know, so it was kind of nuts. And then the movie seems very, very natural thing. There's, it doesn't seem anything too special about that to me. But as I think about the movies and I'm so fortunate to have discovered this camera, this wide-lux camera that my wife gave me on our first anniversary. And I've taken pictures while I'm doing the movies. And I look at those books and they're like little lifetimes.

You know, remember all those intense relationships, you know, and poof, it's gone. That's how I look back at it. Because you could have a very intense experience, you know, whether it's you're doing too grit or last picture show or whatever, whatever film you're doing, you have this, it's, I cannot, it's crazy for me to try and compare. The thing that I can relate to a little bit is when I do comedy stuff or a show or travel to a different country, that's all I'm in it 100%.

And then it's over and I'm gone. But there's a document afterwards. And later on I look at it and I go, oh, that's right, I was in Cuba. And what am I doing? I'm on a seawall in Cuba and I'm drinking rum with some kid I met, smoking a cigar. That was, it fires off little neurons in my head, but they also know that I, there's a thousand other things that I'm done. It almost, it feels like the product, the movie or the TV, that is sort of the byproduct.

And the real product is the experience of doing it. It's almost incidental. It's crazy as that sounds because you've done all this amazing work. Yeah, it's funny. That's what I was saying, I look at movies I'm in, they're like home movies. It's hard for me to follow the story. As terrific a career as you've had as an actor, music haunts you.

You know, you grew up playing music and you really were seriously considering, am I, am I going to be a, I'm going to go into acting, am I going to be a musician like there's a fork in the road and I feel like it's something you're still wrestling with. It's kind of dancing with the man. I think maybe it's kicked my ass basically. I think at this moment, I don't know if I'll get back into it as strong as I did after a crazy heart. Yeah, I'm around when I did your show.

You came on my show to do crazy heart, which was this phenomenal, phenomenal movie, phenomenal performance. And you know, in 60, whatever I was, 62, whatever that, you know, I finally had my beadled moment, you know, because there's nothing like playing in a band. You're a musician. Yeah. And it's just like it's so great to do that. And my buddy T-bone, you know, when we did crazy heart together, he did all the, you know, most of the music for it.

And after the crazy heart, I got my, you know, music, you know, I was tickled. I said, well, I got some more tunes to do, bone, you know, we, and he said, sure, and we did album and then we'd get a band. And he said, well, I'm going to get the band together and all these friends I got in Santa Barbara. And I had that, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm being triggering myself here. I had my beadled moment with my band at a Lebowski Fest. Yes. Oh, man. So it all came together.

Yeah, oh, and you're playing to a sea of dudes. Oh, man. No, but you know what's so nice is, I don't know about you. My experience has been, I've had, and Sony, you were along for the 2010 experience where I went on this tour and there was a lot of music and crazy crowds. And we did comedy, but we also, I got to have my moments of soloing in front of it, sold out like, multiple tier. And it was just, it was a, it was a crazy experience.

And what would happen is that start to think to myself, hey, you know, I, I think I could do, yeah, I could, this is what I could do. This is what I could do. And you know what, always resets it. I'm around a Jimmy Vivino or a Jack White or any of these guys who really does it. And I go, oh, like, oh, I see. Oh, and it's, I, I'm constantly being humbled by people that, that I love it. It's fun. I like to do it for fun.

But if this was something I was meant to be doing, I'd have been doing it when I was seven years old. And that's what I, that's comedy for me. So that decision was made. I didn't have to make it, you know. Well, now we can you say wrestle or struggle. That's really, you know, this thing about comparison and everything. I, you know, when we had all this downtime with the strikes and COVID and all this. And the different guys did different things during that time. You must have seen inside, right?

That guy Bo Burnham. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What you would buy is Bo is phenomenal. Oh, phenomenal talent. That movie is eight, eight, yeah, he's phenomenal. So I had a bunch of time and you're, you know, a creative person. So what am I going to do? Yeah. So I just said, I don't go back into my mind, my music mind and discover old tunes and things that I'm now I'm one of my 74. I say how to perfect all that stuff going to a music. You know, that's a lot of effort.

There's a lot of things I'd like, you know, slowing down, not doing as much as I might have when I was younger. I said, I've got all these things. And I'll just play with them and I started going on the internet and finding things to juxtapose these tunes, you know, and then I would take my little, I'm phone out and it do things and juxtapose this. Pray, I had played fun and I said, okay. You know, more than this other guy who knows how to make websites. Yeah, why not release this?

I mean, why not? You know, what it, you know, I'm just sharing, man. This is my offer. You know, listen to it. There's so much. There's so much shit out now. He's there. I mean, there's so much going on. I said, well, why not put your shit out there? You know, so I decided to release this thing called emergent behavior. Volumes one through five. You know, just and, you know, so that's what I've done kind of musically and that's where I'm at.

And I don't know, I feel kind of spent, I don't know, do volume six or what, but it was interesting. You know, what you were talking about comparing yourself to the Beatles and these guys, you know, and wow, that really gets in our way, man. Well, I compare it to you because, because ultimately, isn't the spot that you want to get into where it's doing you. You're not even doing it, you know, with what you do. I'm sure you get into that place all the time. Oh, yeah.

I'm not taking it too damp seriously, man, and let the thing come through. What it wants to do, don't be so ego tripping like, you know, just right. What is it? There's a famous quote that I'm not coming up with right now, but it's like comparison is the death. Is the thief of joy. Is the thief of joy. Thank you. I thought it was Aaron Blair was the thief of joy. And then it goes out further from there. I'm so Aaron Blair.

Thank you, Aaron. That was, I don't want, I punish a guy for having the right answer. And so welcome to Stalin's holiday camp. On the other side of that practice, man, like you say, that that's what I regret. Not woodshedding, you know, I've got some friends that did it, you know, when they were 12. And now they're just so facile, they can play whatever they want. Yeah, it's humbling. But, you know, I think the bigger point is comparison gets you nowhere.

And trust me, I'm sure there are many actors that have hurt themselves by comparing themselves to you, like your career, what you've accomplished, they've hurt themselves unnecessary. Do you know what I mean? It's just, it's a, you can't get into that game. I just been hanging out with a guitarist, you know, Blake Mills. I know the name. Oh, man, you got to check him out. Here's another, just I'm not, you know, we're talking music, Wolfpeck, you know them.

No. You know that there and the fearless flyers. Blake has a great version of sign sealed and delivered that he plays with the fearless flyers. It's really cool. It's amazing. I just always find that people will ask me who are your favorite groups and I'll say, it's not even about a group for me. They're just certain songs, you know, that I hear it. I have to learn how to play it and I can't stop playing it. And sometimes it's not, it's by a very obscure musician.

Yeah. I don't really know if they've gone on, what else they've gone on to, but it just grabs me by the throat and then I have to do it. I just have to learn it, play it until everyone around me so tired of it that I'm asked to live in the yard. You must have seen standing in the shadow of Motown, didn't you? Yeah. Wasn't that a great movie, man? Also, you narrated, I believe. Oh, I know you narrated it. You narrated it. History of rock and roll. But you also narrated it.

Didn't you write narrate the credence clear, horrible documentary? That was great. And I remember baking the minute, I love them, but then the minute you were narrating it, I thought, oh, this is the right guide to take me through CCL. Yeah, absolutely. I got to play with him, gone stage and played with him. Yeah, with the motorcycle, Sturgis. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You played with John Favre. Yeah, man. You remember what you've been saying? No, I said, I got to sing. I left the guitar work to try.

You know what's becoming clear to me? You were not acting in the Big Lebowski. Everything I said, you're like, yeah, man. That's what you do. Now you just get like a white Russian. Just start drinking it and going, yeah, look. Let it angles. Let it angles. You let the dude do you. Yeah, exactly. The dude did you and then never left. And then never left. You know what's so funny? Dudeism. Dudeism is a religion now. Dudeism. And you know what? I was raised Catholic. I switched to dudeism.

I think it makes more sense to me. I just visited the Pope and I would talk him into doing dudeism. Tell me more of this dudeism. Dudeism. He did have a white Russian. He did have a white Russian and he was saying, there's a lot of, you know, I got to get the rub back. It ties the Vatican together. It ties the Vatican together. It's one drug. My, yeah. But dudeism is a religion. Well, I get the whole, yeah.

The, yeah, the Lebowski just keeps, you know, and there's the, the fest that goes on for three days. Yeah. And it's a religion and there's a book, you know, what's it? The book I do know the hell. Many books. One book is written in Shakespeare. You know, two, two dudes in Verona. I'm sitting at this dinner party. And on my right is Rondas, you know, the guy here now, this guy over here is a guy named Bernie Glassman. And he says, then master. And he lends over to me and says, I'm really dug.

Lebowski. He says, oh, great. He says, it's full of co-ons, you know, I said, co-ons, what do you mean? And you know, and you know what a co-on is. Like, what is the sound of one hand clapping? You know, these kinds of zen riddles or make you think there's no logical answer to it. And I said, he says the film's full of co-ons. I said, what are you talking about? He says, well, who wrote and directed the film, the co-on brothers? He says, I'm all, he's a wiseass. Is what he is.

I'm all about bringing in the film. I'm all about bringing Buddhism and Zen to modern times. He says, let's write a book about Lebowski. And I said, what do you mean? He says, well, the dude abides. Very buddhistic. Yes. I said, what are some other co-ons? Shut the fuck up, Donnie. Yeah, yeah. That's a co-on. Shut the fuck up, Donnie. Exactly. You know, or I said, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, yeah, exactly, you know, or that's just like your opinion, man. Yeah, yeah.

So we go up to Montana and write for two weeks when we wrote a book, The Dude, and there's N Master, another blooming thing out of this movie. You know, it just keeps giving. You know what's interesting to me is when that movie came out, it was not a success. It was not deemed a success. But like the best things, it resonates. And then it grows, and it grows, and it grows, and it grows, and it's going to keep on growing.

And I think, you know, like a thousand years from now, there will be giant deutism centers that people go to. Well, those brothers, the co-on brothers. I mean, this is masters. You know, they make it look like it's like it's nothing. But you know, they are the two guys. I'm pretty, I think I've met everybody. I, uh, revere the co-on brothers. Love them. I'm obsessed with them. Never met them. And I saw them once in a restaurant, and I was sitting very nearby, and I didn't say a word.

And we should get. Well, I kind of was, I, I'm, that's how high up they are for me, which is like, I do not, I would not, you know, just to meet them would, would make my year intimidating. They're intimidating. Yeah, I think so. And I have such, they, they're, they really are my go-to filmmakers. And I've, I've watched all of their films so many times. Yeah, you can see them over and over and just appreciate the mastery. I mean, it was Lebowski.

You know, if something comes on, I'm in a TVL, you know, click, watch, if seen, click. But with Lebowski, I, you know, I'll just watch, you know, till, you know, Donnie dies in or something, I'll keep my, I get hooked because it's like, I love you watching Lebowski. I love you at home. Oh, man. Watching Lebowski and it's like a black hole folding unit. I know exactly. It's the good way. It's the snake eating its tail. It's the snake birthing its tail. It's very nice.

I know about a home movie, man. I mean, that is very much a home movie. I just, you know, one of my favorite parts about that movie is, is when you, whenever you have a chance to get your favorite drink, you will, as people do that like their drink, they'll kill time just so they can drink more. I always get the sense you're always saying like, yeah, a lot of angles, a lot of angles, a lot of levels got, and you're bullshitting.

You're totally, and I know I've done that in my life when I just did like, I got a nice glass of wine here. My wife thinks maybe we should, let's move on. Let's pay the check. And I'm like, you know, we got to, we got to talk about here. A lot of angles, a lot of moves. I just want to have just, let's just everyone settle down for a second. DeTurro made that movie, you know, and another out shoot of LaBosky. It's something of it, you know. Oh, where he plays his character.

Yeah, he plays the pedophile, you know, and the role everyone's after. I turned it down six times. You know, you went through this intense experience, which makes me very grateful that you're here and looking like a million bucks. You got a cancer diagnosis, I think in 2021, is that right? I can't remember. You can't remember. Yeah. And you, it's a lymphoma, you're fighting that, and then you get really bad COVID at the same time.

And it was, I've read that it was, and you've talked about it was rough. It was incredibly rough. And I don't know. Oh. You come out of that with a different perspective. Yeah. Oh. You know, think of something like that as a gift, it seems bizarre, or before it actually happens, seems bizarre. Now I can understand it. Now you learn things during those times like those that you can only learn it in times like those, which is, this is a gift, man. We're alive doing this.

Oh. Yeah. No, no. I, I, we, we take it for granted, didn't I? Yeah. I've learned, I wish this wasn't true. I think it's just human nature, but there have been a number of times in my life where there's been some time, where there's been some difficulty or death or there's been some, and I've, I get this incredible perspective. And it starts drifting away within 20 minutes. And I had it yesterday where I, I talked to a fan who's quite ill, and we had this really intense conversation.

And I thought I have no problems, I have no, it was, I thought this person giving me a gift of this amazing perspective. And then I feel that for a while, but then inevitably you go home and then you can't get the cable to work, you know? Oh, and, and, but I want to say is it's like I'm, I'm, you immediately go, we got damn it. This Christron never works. Sorry, Christron. I know you do incredible work, but you got dead. And I think your name checked them. I'm sorry. They had it coming.

They had it coming, apparently. This text screen isn't immediately giving me the entertainment I want to watch. And so, and then I stopped myself and I go, wait a minute. You had this amazing moment and all it took was your drive from Larchmont over to Brentwood to get you to this. Like, that's the part. But you had that flash. Yeah. That's the important flash. The second one that pulls you back. Yeah, the, you said, oh, oh, and that word practice comes to mind.

We can practice this kind of attention, you know, and like you said, God, I fall in that old time. What, you know, these bombs, you know, something, and what about the body, man, as you age? Oh, I don't like that. Well, unfortunately, I, my body's perfect. You're, you saw that when I, when you walked in, you probably found you. I noticed the delts. You were rubbing me for a while. Remember that. You know, talk about a gift.

You, you know, it's this world we live in of streaming, which I'm still getting used to, where a show, where a show will come out. And I'll start watching it and I'll binge it and I'll love it. And then it's done. And then I'll say, okay, I want more because that's how we are. And so when the old man came out, I watched this show. My wife and I watched it and absolutely loved it. Absolutely loved it.

And you're a character, the way the story unfolds, we know so little about you, but then we start to realize there's more to this guy that meets the eye. And then more and more layers start getting exposed. John Lithgow is it who's also one of my favorite people. And he's fantastic. And then we learn you to have this big history together. And it's about the CIA and generations and, and our involvement in, you know, foreign wars. It's, it's a, it's a great story, great acting. And it was over.

And I was like, I want more right away. And I've had to wait. And now it's back. Yeah, man. And I'm so happy that you guys haven't this other season because I can't wait, you know. Yeah, yeah. I hope you enjoy it. I was, it's a good one. A lot of twists and turns and just get the anti keeps, you know, up and. Yeah, the writing is spectacular. Yeah, well, that's this guy, Joan Steinberg, who is our show runner and the writer and really, yeah, he really put it together.

And then the cast, you know, not only the actors who are all splendid, you know, Amy Brennan and Joel Gray, we got to do some stuff with Joel. But it's the cameraman. I'm always, I'm impressed with the cinematography of this thing. You know, I'd be in primarily in movies. I didn't know about the TV thing, you know, but there's such great stuff on TV. My gosh, now so that I said, oh, yeah, no, don't put that on there because the making of it, I mentioned the cinematography of the thing.

It's like, you know, the same attention that goes into making movies. Well, you know, what's happened is I don't think the line between what's the TV show and what's a movie is meaningless to me. Yeah, because it used to be the case that, you know, it's just a running length. Yeah, exactly, but it's really the some of the best acting directing. I don't know if any of you saw Ripley, which was a success.

Succession. Oh, man, but like, you, but you see these things play out and you think, no, no, this is great. This is great cinema. Call it what you want. I'm not, I'm not seeing it in a theater. What about your gun side? No, no, I love it. We're not talking other people projects. What about any show that's not your show?

No, but what I was saying about the old man is that the old man is a cinematic experience to me because what got to me was when from the first episode, you realize, what is going on with this guy? This guy looks like he's got a pretty simple life. And then I can tell you're aware that something isn't right. You've been laying low for a long time. And then you realize people are coming to get you. And I'm in and thinking, what is, what is happening?

And then the way the patients, you have to wait for it. You have to wait for each thing to unfold to find out, who is this guy? Who is he? Who was he? And then we get to see that in flashbacks. But the whole thing is teaching, I hope, a younger generation about patients. Like you don't get, you know, the way I think what happened with movies is there's so much money on the line. Everything had to happen right away. Yeah. And they had to show you a trailer that showed you everything.

Oh, I still hate that. And then I think I did think once if Citizen Kane came out today, there'd be a trailer online that shows them that Rosebud is a sled and shows them burning it. Because you know, we don't want anyone to have to wait for that. Yes. And that would be like the first thing that show is if the body guy who says, Rosebud, don't worry, that's a sled. It would also be merchandise. There's a toy. Yeah. And toy sled. Get the Rosebud sled.

And so the whole mystery would be gone. But I love that with your show, with a lot of these shows, you have to wait. And so I had to wait for the old man to come back. And it's like, you know, even though I think I'd have some pull with you when I could get you to call me up and tell me what happens. No, I had to wait. Well, what's a wild, I don't know what's going to happen. It's very much, you know, like life, you know, what's going to happen and make second.

And hopefully we're going to go into season three. I don't know where that where it's going to go. I'm this guy and I put my faith in the showrunner, you know, and do it. And so it's, that's a fresh experience. I'm going to take these things. I'm going to try that. Look at that. I just matched you. Huh? What do you think, man? You got the best, you know what? I got to, I'll keep coming up. I just want to take these off of Sony. Do it. Oh, I don't know. Do it. Do it. Do it.

Hey, check me on this. Who's got better hair than this man? You, I mean, you're just, you know, I, you two of you, you know, you, no, no, no, no, my, my is more of a caricature. You have, that's fantastic. That's fantastic. And my hair heroes, you're one of them. The other was Jack Lord in Hawaii, five. Oh, yes, Jack. Remember, he had a big, very nice. And then I was, my heart was crushed because I found out on this podcast, remember who we were talking to, who did a scene with him as it was a,

who is a child actor at the time? Was it, was it Kurt Russell? Who himself has amazing hair? Yeah. Who himself has amazing hair. But Kurt Russell's talking to me and went, yeah, I was a kid actor and I did a white five. Oh, and we were, we were, they were doing my shot. So the camera wasn't on Jack Lord and he took his hair off and I said, and I said, what do you mean he took his fucking hair off? And he said, well, you know, it was a piece. I didn't know it was a piece.

Did you know, didn't take it out? I'm looking at you now. We're talking hair. And I think my favorite haircut was shaved head bald. Oh, really? I'm looking at your head. I said, this man would look wonderful with bald head. Should I go for it? Have you ever had a head head? I never had a shave head. It's really nice. Have you guys, never? None of you guys. Uh oh. Yeah. Well, you were terrible. But it wasn't, it wasn't. It was a really weird voice. My friends did the thing.

Oh, yeah, yeah. They shaved my head. Yeah. I get it. Finally, you get into it. You know what? I will say I did like it. It feels so, you feel so clean. It's very, you know, all the, it first it feels, you know, like you're just your forehead, but up here. And then you get this shark feeling. Yes. It's like a shark skin. Yeah. And you get a little velvet thing. It's erotic. Oh, it is. It's a little bit of a cat's tongue. The water hits on there and stays in there. I think it's shadow.

No fuss, no must. I mean, I'm six hours every morning with my hair. You know, they're putting, they're using curlers. They're injecting. This is after six hours. Yeah. And it's just, well, then I was in a terrible accident. My hair saved my life, but it's shadow. I don't think I would shave my head because it's such a part of my identity that I've been pretty much reduced to like, I am a Woody Woodpecker cartoon, you know, like I'm not even a person anymore. I'm a cartoon character.

I was going to ask you, did you, you know, you, you know, now I'm seeing this as a silly question because I'm imagining, of course you did, but maybe I'm wrong. Did you put product in your hair and work that? Yeah. You know, that's it. She's a low-tech. I know. She's in the house. You know, how do you have no idea? You know, what was your product? I'll tell you exactly what I got into rockability. That was my first love rockability music.

And I played the old like Burdant Brothers and I would, I grew the sideburns and I realized my hair would do that. So I first, you must have, oh, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. And I used this stuff that a friend of mine turned me on to, he was like, use 10X. And there was this stuff they made called 10X. And you'd put it in your hair and then you could comb it up. And I was doing this in the 80s. Not a lot of other people were doing it. And then I got a job on the Simpsons.

I remember I met the Simpsons and I had a writer, producer and I have these sideburns. Eisenhower jacket with the collar flipped up. Whoo, hair. And I'd walk in and writers would be like, what are you doing? This isn't a production of Greece. We're writing the Simpsons. I'm like, hey, my own, we know what it was. But I don't know what it was. I was, that's what I wanted to do. And so my first big magazine cover was Rolling Stone. And they put me on the cover Rolling Stone.

And this guy had this idea, which is she took my hair and then he added these extensions and we blew it way out. And it's one of my favorite. I've seen it. Like there's an air, it's in an airport somewhere where they just put Rolling Stone covers up. But mine was one of them. And the hair, it's like 50 pounds of hair and a giant wave on my head. And it looks absolutely insane. But I was like, in my mind, even though that's a joke, that's what I really wanted it to be. And still do.

And you must do that. I do it sometimes. And my wife was like, can't we go? Yeah. I got it. I need more mayonnaise for my cloth. About a ductile. You never had never did the ductile. You never did it. No. Because it's kind of classic rock and belly. I know. I didn't do the ductile. Yeah. But I just got lost in all that craziness. I don't know. I come down to the, it comes down to this for me. I think there's a lot we do that's compulsion.

When people tell their story, they act like they made choices. And they forge to they are. And more and more, I think, I don't know. Yeah. My life is a bunch of synaptic misfires. And now here I am. I, you know, the hair, the choice of so many things. It's very doodest. No, but it is. I mean, I mean, I, and I say misfires meaning I have a, it sounds absurd for me to say I made any of this happen. I didn't make any of this happen. And I'm here talking to you.

And I don't know your one of my all-time favorite actors, people. And you're here talking to me. I didn't make this happen. This just happened and I couldn't be happier. There's this guy, so Paulski, you know, who's saying there's no such thing as willpower. That's, you know, I didn't control at all from the very, you know, from the very, the circumstances that you come out of. I don't know. I kind of feel mixed about that. You feel, you know, I do.

I do, because it maybe lets us off the hook too much. Yeah, well, yeah. Because then anyone could say, yeah, I just murdered eight people and left their bodies by the roadside. But that's just what I did, you know, you're like, no, no. Well, yeah, and he's big on, on cry, on the cry, all those people in jail who we say you're a bad, he's saying it's the circumstances. Yeah, a lot of times that's true. It's very, very beginning of all of how it turns out.

I think it's kind of, don't you feel life is so paradoxical? You know, there's not one way, one thing. I think it's kind of both. You know, maybe it's only willpower. You think? Come on, man. Come on, come on. Yeah, there you go. It is. It is. And there are two co-ons. Yeah, go on, Brian. One co-on, Brian. The co-on. Yeah. That means one co-on brother's really pissed about something. It doesn't like the edit. Well, I want to make sure people check out the second season of the old man.

It's so easy to binge the first season. And I'm just a lifelong fan. And not just of your work, but you're, you're an authentically nice and feeling person. And I'm just, it's an honor to know you. It feels like the same way. Yeah, yeah, well, I'm a good expert. Yeah, yes, you're excellent. Beautiful, okay. We don't do this often. You're crinkling papers in the background. It sounds like, oh, what's wrong again? A guide, man. Just a guide. Yeah. That'll work once we know what I'm talking about.

Here we go. Three, two. I control everything. The opposite of the dude. This is, yeah, you really are. Yes. Quiet. There is no rug. What is? Three, two. We don't do this often. Oh my God. All of this is staying in. Yes, please. But no, my control will come out. You'll never know. You'll never know. You really will. Never know. Someday I will listen to this podcast as soon as I can figure out how to work. My, my, my, whatever machine plays this. I am definitely, I don't know the machine.

I am definitely going to edit the first part of this segment. It's not common that we have a guest on. The guest leaves and then we say we have to talk. We have to talk immediately. But the great Jeff Bridges just left the building and there is something nourishing about being in that man's presence. He's such a talented guy, but he's also very humble and sweet and wise. And we're just sitting here with him and I don't know. I just, I feel like I've been healed.

It's like a car wash for the soul or something like that. I love his life. He's got a good vibe. It's got a very good vibe. Can I tell you something that happened that is just so dude. Yeah. The listeners wouldn't know this, but every one of these seats has a little tape mark for where your belly button is supposed to go so that we line up with these cameras. And, and people who are reminded of it. Every time they come in, we are just to make sure that we get good footage of the person.

Yeah. And there's a point about, I don't know, 30 minutes to this interview where he just, can I take off these headphones and then he just looked down at the piece of tape and just goes, takes it off. He holds it off. Yeah. Like, I will not be, not be burdened by this mark that I have to hit. No. No. Why would the dude symbolically? Yeah, if symbolic that someone was trying to control him with a little piece of tape. Yeah. And then he's going to put the button here.

No. No, I'm just going to, I'm going to let the universe guide me. Not this colored piece of tape. My belly button mark is where my belly button is. Yes. Basically. That's very wise. Slash stupid. Yeah. But I thought, I loved when he took the headphones off. I'm always wondering, I, now, here's what we get into it with Eduardo. Eduardo always says we need to wear these giant cans on our head. So that we're reminded of where to put our mouths near the microphone.

And part of me thinks, huh, because wouldn't people be more relaxed and look cooler if they didn't have that burden of having these things on their ears? We've had some guests request not to do it. And I think those have turned out fine. Eduardo, why don't you weigh in from your very narrow technological perspective? Happy to. There are professionals out there who I would trust to not wear headphones because they've been around mics enough times that they know to always be near them.

Like DJ Jazzy Jeff or Shabbity Shramp. Exactly. And then there are other people that I think are great storytellers and they start to tell stories with their hands or their body and then they start to drift away. Yeah. Was that recently that really sat back in my chair? I can't recall. Oh, more than a few. Oh, it was lean along Jones. Well, you know, so without the headphones, they don't realize that they're so.

So I think the answer here is to improve the technology so that the microphone moves with the person. And the cameras move when the person moves and the lights move. Now I realize this is a lot of money. The camera does move. The camera does move. They move it. Why do we have a belly button mark? I will. I mean, we have a belly button mark because if we move too far, then we're in each other's shots. That's right. Why am I explaining this to you? Love it. I found you years ago.

Oh, God. Don't even. Don't, don't, don't. Don't explain. Don't explain to me. No, I appreciate that. No, I understand that there needs to be a very general reference point. Yeah. But I do think it's important that people are comfortable. And let's get back to the important thing. Two points. One, Eduardo has failed us. And I think also, Hamstrung has creatively. And I'll get you Eduardo if it's the last thing I do. Uh, you didn't have a second point. You just wanted me to honor red.

You don't even know what you're complaining about. No, you is. Let's get back to Jeff Bridges. Can you need more Jeff Bridges? Can you try? Yeah. You know what? I honestly believe that I should go across the Jeff bridge, go across the bridges of Jefferson County and be more like Jeff Bridges. I hope you're proud. I hope you're happy with yourself. So far. And you know what? That's staying in. That was it. I'm proud of that. Yeah. I wanted on my tombstone. Yeah. Oh, trust me.

It'll go on your tombstone and it'll be soon. Uh, I love it, Moll. You know, I'm a, I'm ordained in the church of dude. Yeah. What's the story here? Yeah. Yeah. When I got, when I was officiating one of my closest friends, wedding, and she, uh, and I was so nervous because you know, when you get ordained, you've done it. Yeah. It takes minutes online. Yeah. And so I got ordained at four different online churches. And one was the church of dude. Just why four? Because I got nervous.

I wasn't ordained enough. Oh my God. It's like it's good to have different passports. You never know what's going to come down. It is. Yes. You didn't want to bring that up while you was here. I was nervous around him. You know, they're very few people who've been here who made me nervous in Jeff Bridges. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. I'm going to say this. Uh, I do, and I'm saying this not as a joke or anything.

At my stage and my life, my career, I do think it should be a mission of mine to become a part of my career. I'm being completely honest. I'm more like Jeff Bridges. I don't want to. What else is the point? What's the point? Yeah. And, um, and it'd be one thing if you could say, yeah, but he's a great example because his body of work is fantastic. And I think he's lived this. He doesn't think he's authentic. He's authentic. Do you notice too, after we finished, he got up and he just did this.

Now, can I just say something? I do that. I used to do that around the interns and I was spoken to. It was. It was spoken to. It looked so much cooler when he did it. I'm not denying that. It's going on my two-story. And this is a podcast. You should explain what you did. Yeah. I think the audience gets it. Okay. And you need to not do that around interns. I used to do it and say it's a lighthouse crime. Which is not the shape. It's a illumination.

Yeah. And he's stuck his tummy out and sort of did like a rotation. Like he's. Who would be without it? Who would be without a who's fine. And yeah, I think that that's something I would never do. I don't have that. He's just so comfortable with himself. Yes. He's got like a stoner's vibe. He does. I think. Yeah. So I wonder. I don't know. Does he partake? I have a question. Why I know what I was going to say. We become stoners now, but Sona is a stoner.

But, but like you and I, Matt, we have, we have, we have a similar thing, I think, which is, we're probably worriers. We prepare, round up a little, a little wound tightly. And I was thinking the other day, like at this point, why not just, I don't know, just become a stoner. That part about just practice about, you know, what you said really resonated with me when you're talking to that person who is ill, and that how you lose it because the cable goes wrong, what else is the point?

Well, you know what it is, I think we drift. There's constant drift. You're never in a fixed place. So I saw this in New York on 9-11, after 9-11, 9-12, 9-13, I mean, everywhere you went, people were asking each other, how are you? You'd go to a restaurant. The waitress would come over. The waitress would sit with us. We'd talk. How are you? Where do you live? How are you getting to work? Is everyone you know okay?

There was just incredible, and then I remembered thinking, I think it lasted like three and a half weeks. And then people went back to being, you know, where New Yorkers, and I'm not, this is nothing but New York. It's the same, it would be the same thing in Boston, it would be the same thing in Los Angeles, San Francisco, where human beings. So hit us over the head really hard with a 2x4, and we have this incredible wisdom and generosity of spirit, and then wait 20 minutes.

And it's like, hey, I said, I want chocolates. You know, that's a kind of gum. Give me my chocolates. Yeah. You know, um... Is our chocolates gum? Wow. I had no idea. Did you know about chocolate? I don't know if something I'm saying is... Can you just be more like Jeff Bridges, please? Okay, he would not do what you just did. You were like, oh, this moment in history, and then you immediately do something very un-un-JB. Yeah. And it's not, you're just, you have a long way to go.

Go for a Jeff Bridges too far. You have to stop making these three two stones. I'm gonna need three two stones. How many tombstones can one man hit? Oh, my God. You cannot have too many too quickly. I'll put you there. Hey, you two are... You two have a lot of work to do. I'm... I feel like I'm bare, man. Yeah, you are. He wouldn't have gotten... He wouldn't have thrown out... Even if he did say chocolates, he'd just say it. Yeah. And then if you picked up on it, you picked up on it.

But I'm like, well, do you know what that is? That was... Is that still a gum? I don't want to look like I'm too out of touch. I should have just said it. But so on and also, you are the most Jeff Bridges of us all. But if you were at True Peak Jeff Bridges, you wouldn't have had a problem with that joke I made. He would have been like, all right, man. He wouldn't have laughed. Yeah, he wouldn't have laughed. But he would have appreciated it. No, I wouldn't have. No, I wouldn't have.

Because I think he's a lot of bridge-joke. I think a hyena would have... A hyena that was laughing. There would have been a cessation of laughter. Start crying. If there was a hyena here, he'd have gone, Aah! A Bridges too far. He would have just turned into a coyote. Stone-cold silence. Well, then then later. And then later, then I'd come back in the room. I don't like the tone of this. It's time to wrap.

All right. Well, anyway, Jeff Bridges, you are a very special, cool spirit and we're indebted to you. And let's all try to be more judyler as we move forward on this podcast through. Amen. You can just end it there. No. Oh, God. Conan O'Brien needs a friend with Conan O'Brien, Sonom of Sessian and Mack Gorylee, produced by me, Mack Gorylee, Executive produced by Adam Sachs, Jeff Ross, and Nick Leo, Themesong by the White Stripes, Incidental Music by Jimmy Vivino. Take it away, Jimmy.

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