TRADE ALERT! Breaking Down the Deadline Deals | Command Center Pod | Washington Commanders

In today's episode of The Command Center Podcast, we are talking trades montege Chase. We're breaking down those Is it a good trade, is it a bad trade? And we're gonna talk about what it means moving forward, right, and then we got a segment. It's a lot of fun. Man, Haters are gonna hate, hate, hate. Hey, Seal get Jay, Welcome to the Command Center Podcast.

I have logan Paulson.

Here were Santanamos with a big chain on today?

Yes, and Fred.

Smooth with a couple of jealous with a coup of that. Joseph decaf or caffeinated.

Is caffeinated And I've wondered how do you decaffeinate coffee beans?

I don't know. But tree that has no.

Cat I don't think that's how they do it. But you know, I don't know.

I don't know.

We'll have to if you know how they do it, please leave a comment. That's always helpful for our distilling what's truth and fiction with Fred. So, but yeah, Halloween was yesterday. What did you guys?

Do you think I did nothing?

You were you were hyping up Halloween.

I went out to parties this weekend, but for this Tuesday, no I did nothing.

I handed out candy and I do experiments.

You know, I'm a nerve, so I put like all the nerdy I've been a nerd like I'm like, I literally like put a big basket of candy right there, and then I put on the other side like funions and tato chips and other stuff.

I want to see who grabs what, and you would be shocked.

I mean I went for the chips.

ND I had to lit crackers with the cheese in there because that's how it was getting from the other houses with candy. So when they see this switch up, my candy bowl stayed full. Really yeah, I gotta I got Yeah, my candy bowl stayed full while the others got taken.

Do you go out at all or no? Just what I'm saying, like, do you like go to the neighborhood or I go.

With the neighborhood.

I walk around and you know, because people know who you are, I be handed out football courts.

Sometime I'm looking like a jerk. Hand here you go, kid, Yeah, what is your what does your son do? Did you go with this? Boys?

And my son is eighteen years old, he's not kicking it with pops on Halloween.

You know what I'm saying, Like what they do now, like they go, they probably go.

They went hung out of it, like I hop like they got it and I hoped people house, Yeah, steal people candy bag stuff like that tall.

Paper on your tree.

Yeah.

I didn't do nothing. I went to the gym I want to l a fitness and got a nice little.

Lot about l A fitness like on Halloween, him and Frankenstein's pack.

Really Yeah, people think about their weight more than they think about these candy and these kids. Man, I mean honestly thought. Man, I was planning on doing something every year. I said, I'm gonna do something Halloween, and like what is.

A grown person doing?

Allow? Because I got kid dressed up and act like I'm trying dress up. I would probably go to like a lounge of a party, but I knew we had to get our ass up earlier to day. Like, man, I'm not trying to like other like parties in DC.

Yeah, DC is big on Halloween. Like when I was in I was in DC Saturday, I was literally driving around. Frankenstein passed me like like riding the school like it.

DC is lit apart.

So then you had to go five you old costume so you can get in where you fit in.

So I just went to the party as Fred Smooth.

Yeah that's awesome man, thank you. Well, yeah, we do like the bowl of candy out, you know, we leave it out. And like I was leaving, just my kids were getting ready for my daughter wanted to start trigger tinging like five o'clock yesterday. Yeah, it was like, sonny out, I'm like, what are we doing? And uh so the first people came by our house and this little neighbor kid, we know, oh the buckets right there. He goes up there and I just hear them, just take the whole thing.

First kid, And that's why you have to police them. And that's why I give him options.

So I was like, I was like, hey, man, just put some of that back. He's like, you know, he's like six. He's like, I don't know, No, IM not trying to share this. I want it all all right. So we got a lot of stuff to talk about today. We got to do a little recap of the Philly game. But I think the main thing we got to talk about, yeah yeah, yeah, it is the trade man.

When did in the NFL turned to the NBA trade.

Yeah, I mean, like when did this start?

Like last year was the best, Yeah, last year was a big deal.

This one was a little bit more location.

Dude, But I still felt like the energy was there, Like it felt like for the first time, like a lot of players didn't know if they was gonna be on their tea.

It's a good point, which.

That's kind of NBA is shut.

That ain't really NFL like they let you finish out the year before. And I think maybe because they're doing the contracts a little different now, they willing to let go of these contracts.

And I think the team that really.

Feel like they got a chance to win the Super Bowl, they putting the pedal to the medal.

Yeah, they ain't just waiting back no more.

You see that, And I think, like, let's talk about that. I think with San Francisco, for example, you know, giving up a third round pick or a compensitory third round pick, which means they have a compensitory pick from their coach Ryan I believe in maybe one other player, Jason, I'm not sure exactly playing that a.

Little more compensitory pick.

They get a pick because of they replace it if you lose something.

They replace it with a pick. Let's just say if we lost montig.

So we got a compensitory pick for Brandon Shriff.

Yeah we did.

So he goes and he gets paid a certain amount of money by a different team, and he's considered like a cornerstone.

Piece, you know.

So what they do is they have like kind of flux picks at the end of the round, and so you get one of those third round flux picks.

Yeah, and so trying to understand the compensatory part of that pick, like, Okay, you either getting a pick or not.

No, you're gonna get it.

They're basically like extra picks that the league allocates, and I think you can get a compensory third, fourth, fifth, or sixth, maybe seventh even too.

So now I think about it, the third round, I have thirty five picks in it, thirty six picks instead of the thirty two.

And so that's why this is kind of this is a little bit weird. I think a lot of fans are maybe upset about it because that compensatory even though it's a third round pick, it's a compensatory pick, which means it's one of the last picks of the third Yeah, it's going to be so essentially it plays like a fourth round like this. Last year we had two compensatory fourth round yes, yeah, and they basically play like fifth

What I think the way they not feeling feeling good about is the fact that he was the number one two pick.

I think you can't think about that he was the number two pick four years ago.

And this is what just just a little housekeeping note there. They're gonna get a couple of compenstory picks, ones for the coach, ones for Mike McGlinchey, and then Ray Karthon is the other one. They're they're gonna three compensitory picks and players that have left.

Yeah, right.

I think they just mad because they felt like we put more in than we got back.

I mean we did, but.

Guess what, that's the draft. I'm not tell people this all the time. I don't care if you got the first pick, ten pick, ain't no guarantees and Draga not one guarantee and sometimes it ain't the player, it's the place. And when I think about Chase, it makes me go back to when I was coming out. If I would have got drafted by the Saints, my career would have started off rocket too, because I was too close to Mississippi, too close to my family, too close to home.

Maybe this is a blessing in.

Disguise for this guy to actually reach his peak.

And it's humbling. It's humbling to get traded.

I think that's and you've been and Tenny, you were talking about this a little bit too with your time in New York, and I just wonder if you want to bring some of that to the podcast.

I mean, the thing that you know so so I get what the fans are talking about, which is a bunch of hoopla. And sorry fans, hoopla. I think it's a hoopla because I feel like we can't one minute be on the fence saying that none of these guys deserve to be here, and then the next minute being mad when they get shipped out.

I say, you're not gonna pay them, And.

Then we can't be on the fence of saying that. Okay, when the season o with everybody gone. But then ask the question of why we're doing it now. Look, at the end of the day, things change drastically sometimes and whatever for whatever reason, both of these guys sweat and pay I mean and Chase, what's going to be potentially got guys that we have to pay twenty plus mire you need one day and they're here and we have other guys on the team that can fit fill in

Can you talk about that a little bit, like when you say it's tough to be santannamaus you got people around you, you got family around you, Like what.

First of all, I was trying to be Santantamous. You know, I was trying to make that name a household name. He wasn't there yet. But in order for me to make that name a household name, I experimented. I had time to experiment. I said to myself, I'm gonna scrap everything that I'm doing, partying girls, whatever it may have been, anything that it was, I was gonna scrap it because

You're gonna be beneficial to him.

And I think, me meeting Tanna in college, the one thing I can give him the way he.

Acts now is how he act then.

He was very mature for his age, and then why.

We call him old man because he just had this all right, But everybody can't self checked, theyself like think about it. So we're talking about Santana at eighteen, nineteen twenty, we're talking about Chase at twenty four. So it's hard to say, you know what, and we talking about Miami. Man, I want to, but they ain't gonna work for me. You know, it's hard to self identify that, and sometimes people.

Need to take that out of your hand.

And I thought it was a burden on Chase being here with family friends around the corner, like and expectation played at the math supposed to be God's gift to defense, and once you don't live up to that, you're gonna have.

You hate us.

You're gonna have people say, oh, he hate this, he hain't this. I always felt like he was a good player. I just felt like the person got in the way of the player.

But also too with all that that extra or added stress of trying to be him, live up or live up to who they expect him to be. It's the team, you know how many expectations it is for the Redskins, for the Commanders to be the Redskins again, like to be that that one franchise that everybody wants to be it's hard and it's so much hooplog going on around this team alone. Then you add that, yeah, it's just too much. So I look at it like, man, it

They now get that chance to star.

That's my show. Ye ye, let me go out here and see what y'all.

Well, y'all shocked that Monte has had more value, Like more people was at the Montes than they were Chase.

Not really for me, for me personally, No, I think the reason is like Montese has just been if you just look at play, just been more consistent. He's been healthier, He's like an established commodity. I think he plays in the context of the defense a little bit better than Chase does. That's just watching film, you know. So I would just say, like it makes a lot of sense, and like the fact that he was getting all the calls, and I think that there was like a big pull

The Bears, it's really a first round that's a first round pick.

I mean that's going to be like, what is that probably the thirty. Like that's that's a huge deal when you're trying to build for next year, that pick, that second round pick becomes excellent trade value in terms of moving around. So I think it doesn't surprise me with Montes. He's just been more consistent. He's been healthier, and I think a lot of people value the health of those players.

Quite that's ability is availability.

Yeah, And he's just been a super consistent guy. Right, So I look at that and I just say that while everything about Montese, I would have thought they would have tried to keep him. I would have thought they would have tried to pay him up to probably. It's just that what the pairs offered is like it's it's kind of crazy, and I don't say crazy, but it's like.

No, I understand it benefited the Bears and it benefited us. But also you were talking about a front four a first round, and that you knew from drafting him you won't gonna be to sign themll so they go to realistic part of.

This is a GM. Think about it.

If they if they did reach their peak, you're still gonna be to play them all like you just especially if they asly as they do. Like I thought negotiating when you negotiate, and I thought, all right, I think swear would be the easiest one to negotiate and say, you know, listen, Letsten, let's find a point. Let me just pay you what I paid the run pay it's call it a day. But there's still a lot of money. And now you're talking about having five picks here at

Well it's it's gonna be a different nucleus than I think maybe a lot of fans identified. But you know, camp Curll is a big part of this defense definitely, and get and be able to pay him and you know, possibly Saint Juces in a couple of years. Whoever it is, right, whoever you gonna do, or maybe go find someone in free agency that you're looking for.

You'll pick it a little in free agency.

Absolutely, And so I think like obviously the Montees one makes it makes more sense to me from an organizational standpoint. I think it makes more sense to fans. I think fans see the chase thing and they're like a a compensatory third round, so basically a fourth round. Is this good value for him?

Well is it? Yeah?

Yeah, And let's talk about that a little bit because it's like he could walk at the end of the year, you could pay him, and so yeah, like do you think that that is Like what would you say to a fan, It's like the value is not there.

Come down and understand when you trade me in car, when you're training in the car with smiles on it, they usually give you what they want to give you at the dealership, Right, but you're still gonna get your new car because that your old kuys of down payment on your new car.

So our down payment was a first fourth round pick.

And what you don't know is what that fourth round pick gonna turn Who.

Is gonna turn to? That's what I was saying, man, I mean, you really don't understand. You don't know what the draft are going to have, you know, there for you around that time, you know what I mean. So you can't really just jump the gun and say, well, it's not gonna be nobody valuable at that pick. Come on, George picks you. That's talent. That's talent everywhere throughout the draft, and you can't look at it. And then you told you also got to think about what is the value

The jadevia on Clowney Ram You remember Clowney first pick came out and everybody thought he was gonna be amazing God's gift to the past rushing. Well, right now, if you had to slot Chase.

Who is he?

Terreil Suggs, this guy, he's Clowney right now, in which Clowney has played some good but he ain't lived up to the height of Clowney. And I think that's where Chase at right now.

Yeah, And I think again, Tanny, you talked about the injury, you talked about the performance a little bit like he's not. I think outside of his rookie year, he's never been overly productive. And I think there were flashes this year where you saw very productive games from a personal standpoint where you're like, oh he had.

And it's they're early too, man. Yeah, Yeah, who knows what is your with a transpire to be like when it came to just getting more play on them, you know, reps and everything. Repetition is key. So I'm happy.

But him not being the star in San Francisco will benefit him, Him not being the focal point will benefit him.

Him with some.

Proving playoff winners will humble him. I just think he's in the right situation to blossom.

So I think the other thing that I hear from fans all the time is that hey, the you know, are we giving up on the season, and no, we're not part of me? Is like, I can see why they would say.

That, No, I don't be with them. We were the thirty first ranked defense.

Yeah, but I also look at like the guys that are backing them up. I look at Casey two Hill, I look at James Smith Williams, and I think those guys are they've been playing good football and they played with a systant.

Football and I don't want to cut you off. I think what the fans are thinking or saying because of them, they look at those guys are not being capable and not they're not really watching football if they watched last year, because that goes to show. But that's how the fans are, yeah, you know, one one moment we're talking about bench. You know, seem how the next thing we're talking about man, he could be the franchise quarterback. So they're not watching it

If I give you a nickname, you good.

And I called Casey two sacks, and I called James Smith James hyphen.

I don't use James hyphen in two sacks.

At the end of the day, I have seen enough of them that if I'm the coordinator, I trust him. And this is all That's what being a team and a coach is. Can I trust players to keep me hired?

That that's the thing about.

And can I trust those two yes, sir?

The question is now that they the start, what depth do we have behind him?

That's the question, absolutely, And I think, like kind of your point. One of the things that I noticed when James and Casey are playing is that they know they're not the guy. They know that they're playing second fiddle to Drawn Payne. But I think like when you look at them, John and Dorawn play better when they're in there because instead of John having to kind of work and kind of figure out where he fits with Chase, it's like he's like, hey, Casey, I'm going.

To do this.

Yeah, in case he's like, oh okay, yeah, yes, mister, I'll do what she'll do that, you know, And I think that allows.

And sometimes that gives that Casey, that's okay to I guess you can say commit to someone that you feel that's superior that Ali, and you might get the sack. You might get. That's exactly right. I mean, shoes, I've been a guy with the quarterbacks say do X Y Z and I want to say, no, coach called this and guess what. Eighty yards later, you know I'm speaking down the sideline. Sometimes you have.

To fall in line.

Yeah, I mean, you got to play in the context of the defense. I think that's what we when they've come in, they fit the run correctly, they rushed, they rushed in their correct rush lanes, and it's not maybe the most dynamic thing in the whole world, but they're doing what they're supposed to do. It gives Jack some flexibility to call more his own pressures because he feels

To see see Jones. I'm eager to see Jones. I'm eager to see everybody want to know he is all right. If you trade away uh your sec leaders where you say it's coming from, I hate to tell you out is but Casey.

Got a lot of sun. He's got five yeah, and he's he's played.

One full of the snaps of the other defensive ends.

So now the question is how can coach Jack del Rio manufacted sex.

Now he's gonna have to bring that pressure.

Now he won't have that option to say in my front can just dictate games.

He's gonna have to beat people with the pen.

Be a little bit more creative. And that's what you saw, like when Chase and Montesa were out. You know over here Montesa has been healthy, but when Chase was out, he was a little bit more innovative. They did more stuff to help guys free up. So I'm kind of excited to see what the defense does because historically, and Kim said this on his Twitter page, John Kim, if you guys know, I love he swent it inside of defensive statistics with and without Chase, and the defense was

No he's not. He's a great football player. That just was not the place for him. And and and change is always good, man. People look at changes and look at it. It's bad. Look at the end of the day right now, we just we like that wishing well with throwing a skipping that rock or throwing that corner there and just hoping man that I used to steal out.

The whists and wheel just you're just in there and there were ever I can't waiting to go to the casino.

That's my way, oh my gosh. But yeah, and I think it's also be interesting to see what they do. You know, like Abdula Anderson played a little bit of end in Atlanta. Does he get in that rotation as an end as a big end like and again we don't know anything.

That's were talking about.

Just there's pieces of big fills back now, like John Ridgeway all that stuff, So they have pieces here. I don't think it needs to be like everyone needs to freak out, but it doesn't mean the season so in the.

Cover is not bare Like I know, we just lost two premium pass rushes, but this defense got talent on all three levels, got talent on because to me, Ridgeway is a start, Like I'm just anyway.

He's playing well, like like we've we've done him a couple of breakdowns on him, He's playing really good.

Lodge Way just a dirty holl, dirty hog. I love a dirty holl.

Okay.

So I think this is the other thing about this is going in the next I know people don't want to talk. We just talked about how you don't need to worry about this season being over.

It's not.

But going into next year, they have five picks in the first three rounds. Well, how much cap space? They have ninety million dollars, ninety million dollars, and they've got potentially a rookie, they potentially have the quarterback of the future.

And saw we'll see how the rest.

Of the season only own a rookie contract.

Yeah, And so to me, I look at this from a drafts value standpoint, and I'm like, you could pretty much and the and the cap space, you can restart your team.

You can rejump everything. You could come out next year. And if you're talking about premium people at premium spots, office.

Of line, you can recreate it. And they have like next like the next year's already got your friend. It's like like right now, in terms of the draft evaluation process, tackle is gonna be one of the premium positions, quarterback, receiver, all these positions of like really high positional value. There's a ton of guys. You're gonna be able to get one a good football player, and.

Then think about it, who are you losing contract wise?

I think Curtis Samuels is up. I think Saint Juice might be up.

Cam You're gonna pay like you're still gonna have tons of cap space.

Interesting and not a lot of positions to fiel.

Yeah, and I think I think what you're you're not looking to fill positions, but you're looking probably at the upgrade positions and just add to that depth. And I think about some of the best teams I was on, and it was it was always you're like, man, we don't have any holes. They go through the draft to go free agency, and then they just make these environments that were so competitive and they bring in another veterans boarder, bring another veteran offensive line, and you're like, man, that's

Yeah, And that's one of the things that I used to love about this game, man like to bring in the other guys. Competition was always key for me, Like I loved it. I never I never watched the draft. I care less about free agency. All I know my job was secure and the only way I could keep it secure about going out there and being ready for every day.

Did you have a this is maybe it's a little off track. Did you have like a big competition in off season you were like, man, I really got to bring it this year, or a guy that they brought it.

I got older, never had a competition from a player, I don't think ever, like I never really like you bringing guys. I'm gonna, I'm gonna find a way we're gonna work together, like we're gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna be one of the guys. You see what I'm saying. But the only one time I think I had competition as even being on the team was in year probably was twelve or thirteen. It was twelve going into twenty

I was two five.

It's crazy. I'm telling you these numbers because I played at one ninety five or one ninety at two at two hundred and five. After I had last my third knee surgery, I basically didn't work out and got big and had some off the field stuff that I was dealing with, and still had eleven hundred. I had one thousand yards with ninety something catches. First time I have a court, ninety something passes and I had, I believe that year six or seven touchdown. So mentally, I'm like, man,

I needed that just twenty pounds. It's funny when I asked that question, I forget how good you were. I forget like you were like the dude every year I did tell you the story. In two thousand and eleven, I like did this charity thing and there was a couple of scouts there. We were talking afterwards, and the scout, like unsolicited, was like like he kind of got this look in his eye and he goes, I am trying to replace you every possible second, because I don't think

And so like the words of tall guy like yourself, who's confident and motivated to go out there and do what you do.

Yeah, and so but I'm just saying, like, for I forgot that you were like you were like the comfort, and for me it was like they'd bring in like when they brought in Vernon Davis. I remember everyone's like, oh, Vernon Davis is over the hill, Like oh, this is all done. And I remember like the first day we were doing uh like routes on air and Kirk took like a five step drop and he outran the throw from a seam, you know, and I was just like, well, he's definitely not cooked.

So but you can honestly say that I've always had to deal with them bringing as a receiver. You bring in so many receivers anyway.

But I'm saying you never had one. You never had one that like stressed you, is what I'm saying here. Was never like, oh hey we're riding Julio Johns. We think about this in dB.

My first dB room from drafted at twenty years old was the sanders Dale Green and Champagne.

Well then we kept morphing.

Then it was just me and Shun.

Then it was me Shunk Carlos. Then it was me Shunk Carlos d Hall. Then it was like it was always like Laurn Landry in the back. It was always an all star cares. That's one position that I think Washington has always coveted it, and then most of the time always got right was the cornerback position.

So it was always cushing through that, you know. That's how it was to in college. I think when you came onto a college and you like basically a walk on and you see Jamie Jermy, Magic Benton, oh My Role, and Reggie Wayne come in as the top top recruit. Darryl Jones is the top recruit, but a dude named Daryl Williams that was I mean, my bad. Robert Williams was better than Yeah this in Miami that was supposed to be better than Reggie and Darryl Jones. All those

Pduce one hundred percent. All right, well, I think that's in the leader. Sto our next segment, and we're going to bring in our.

Producer here with a head full of hats.

Gorgeous hair. We'll have you on camera one time just so you can see his hair.

Hair.

So, Jason, how you doing, buddy?

I'm doing good.

Producer.

Jason will never be in front.

Of the oh bummer. So, yeah, you have a little baby girl. How would you would you dress up for Halloween?

Well, I didn't do anything.

My beautiful wife, yeah, so she was an avocado or a little little.

Baby, but not taking a chipotle. Well then, uh, my wife was a burrito like Chile.

And then I was the tinfoil like you said us A picture was really cute. At first I didn't get it. I was like, what's going on here? But then it made sense.

So yeah, yeah, so.

Then we all like, yeah, that was luke warm.

It was kind of cold on that.

So the tinfoil that I had was one of those emergency blank.

Yeah, yeah that was great.

Did you.

Up as a deer? And then his girl dressed up as a hit light?

I saw that.

Yeah, I saw that was kind of a pretty popular costume, but.

Those are will throw it out costumes. I feel I.

Feel like she came up with that on her own. I didn't see that anywhere else.

Yeah, yeah, Caitlin, Yeah, of course. My wife is very like former preschool teacher, like very resourceful, and she's like, what can we do cheap?

But then I feel like the Heineke thing, I feel like that's something you buy at the store because I saw it a couple of different.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, So Jason, what's the next segment we got?

Yeah, so we got a little segment here called Haters Gonna Hate. Hey, producer, Jason's not going to be a part of this.

This ter Jason Steelki Johnston.

This is stuff you've heard from fans, and.

Yeah, just there are haters out there.

Yeah, that's in the world. I'm not even gonna say there are fans.

I'm just gonna say I've seen it.

They feel that I seen it.

My family got haters in it.

So you're here, comes somebody, Here comes some hate. You tell me if if I'm a real hater here or if there's something you know we lost in these traits.

We didn't get enough back, we didn't get anything.

I hate.

I hate.

I hate having conversations with people like that because there's like an emotional attachment.

To people that you know you was gonna lose anyway.

And you could and you could present every piece of factual information.

This is why I know you a hater for that one.

It's like seeing your ex girlfriend knowing you don't really want them, but you see a happy with her new boyfriend, and all of a sudden.

You want to hate on them. Like that's what it is right there.

Sometimes you gotta let go if you really love somebody. That with Make's wife told, if you really love somebody, you gotta let them go.

I mean when I hear that, When I hear that, I look at guys who's saying that, because I'm like, man, you're just not happy. You hate it, but you're just not happy because you weren't happy with the guys here and now you're not happy that they're gone and what we got and getting back and we don't even know what we potentially getting back.

Listening to haters our morning because the sports Johnny, But so say.

This with the Montes sweat thing, Yeah, that value equal is very good for a guy that's not under contract for next year. I think that's the thing. If he was under contract for like five years, he'd be like, that's terrible.

Thinking about this though, too. And I don't want to cut you up. I say this all say you do it because you don't know how to apologize, and you cut somebody. Yeah, so I always let you know. I don't want to, but I'm apologized. But about how we got back, how we got into the whole first round to get Montese when he came, we got him in very late, so you don't know what's around at that time that's gonna be potentially that that's gonna be able

And I always tell people college, he's remaking another version of us every year, and it might be scrowing, go fast, but still at the end of you just just relax.

Yeah, And so Tanny, you brought this up when we talked earlier. Basically, he was gonna either you're either going to resign him or he's gonna walk at the end of the year. And if he's gonna walk for nothing, I'd rather get a basically a late first round pick. Well, he's gonna be, you know, a thirty fifth smell blind. And so so that's what i'd say to that that fan,

I say, coming some select jack. Yeah. So but the one that I.

Think fans have might have, like they see it on paper. Yeah, they say Chase Young, the former second over post a boy, it is the name, Yeah, for a compensatory third round pick, which is basically a fourth round pick. Did we get Hose in that deal? And what I would say to them is he's been hurt. His production, while at times has been very high, I'd say, has not lived up to expectation for years. He has under twenty six, right, And again we all think he's a good player.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just saying yeah, But but perception sometimes outweighs reality.

Yes, And it's not even about that, it's just the potential hasn't really gotten to be anything yet because of the injury, and he hasn't been on the field. So when you don't have the reps, you can't really see what you really who you are, bingo.

And so if I'm a team, I'm not If I'm a team trading for Chase, I'm not going to give up anything of significant value because I'm like, I'm unsure he's been hurt and he's been kind of lukewarm in terms of production. Yeah, So that's why, like, that's probably the best they could have gotten, in my opinion, is that kind of range of pick. And I think that's pretty generous.

By and still looking out for him and sending him away to somewhere where he could potent to be.

The guy get blossomed.

That was like that was like ally for him, he can blossom there, he possibly win a super Bowl. But I think people had this this view of his rookie year. Yeah, and that's how when they see this rookie year and I hate the bust they bubb on that one.

It was a good rookie year.

But I've seen better.

I mean it was it was such I'll perform that, yes, sax wife, but he got the credit. But because they fumble recovered that he picked up.

But it's also like I was talking to I was talking to Ryan Kerrigan. This was way long time ago, and I was like, you know, how was your rookie year and he was like, I had seven sacks, I had two fumble recoveries and it was like almost identical. And you know, well Ryan had a very good rookie yar. People weren't hyping.

Up the same.

He wasn't the number two p yeah right, yeah, And so I think there's a little bit of that perception that goes into that.

So you have a perception in the NFL has a perception of him. The NFL perception was a third round because he got shopped and people said, no, I'm not giving you that.

I'd rather have him right, right, absolutely right.

So I don't know if that calls your hate hate.

And one of the things, you know what, show he's just not the guy.

Too many turnovers, not showing me enough, He just isn't it.

We got to move on.

The best quarterback we have since Kirk Cousins.

Dude, I'm so glad you brought that up, though, Sorry I cut you off.

So let me just say this.

So people say, oh, he's not ready, he's got too many turnovers, whatever, whatever, whatever, I think back to Kirk Cousins his rookie year and they're they're very similar in terms of production. You're this guy's gonna grow up. He's gotten better every single week, every week, and he's way

And that's me. That's so port And so when I look at that, sir, what if.

I told the fans, this is the worst version of him. Yeah, this year, it's the worst version of Sam Hat. He can only get batter And what if I shocked you and told you this, Pat Mahomes, God's gift to quarterback only got one hundred and forty more yards than Sam, only got two more touchdowns in the interceptions of right there, So step back Hat.

And let this man graduate.

And so we were going to talk about the Philly game. Like in that game, I mean he's starting, he completes his first seven passes. Yes, he looks in total control pretty much the whole game. Obviously, we talked about this on you know, in our production meeting. There's that there's like a ten play sequence at the eight thirty mark after where he looks a little bit flummoxed. Yeah, but he's a young football player. Very those things are going to happen. He threw an interception there, he looked a

He still gathering information. I think when when you watch him play, that's why you see every week it's like a new guy out there. Like he goes from having one of his best games and then the next week he gets something different that he wasn't ed to or I haven't seen yet, and then he goes back, he regress a little bit, and then I guess what, the next week he goes back to having on even a better game. He's gathering information on the go on the fly.

So yeah, I tell you, hey, at the end of the day, I feel like Sam howl ain't even made it to his bye week.

Like are you serious? All right, we ain't. I'm gonna tell you what.

When people are not used to stuff, they don't know how to treat it. We are not used to good quarterback here, so we don't know how to watch it for.

Grace well, and I think also to that point, Fred, it's it's you don't watch people. People watch this team when you watch other games, when you watch other teams, when you study other teams, you realize that it's this is good, this is pretty.

You want to know what stinks?

They have a quarterback. They're what stinking quarterback look like.

And so let's do this real quick. Let's talk about confidence meter. Our confidence meter. It just go around the league. And so the one that's fresh in my mind because I just watched a lot of them is Mac Jones. Would you rather have Mac Jones a former first round pick or Sam Howe? I think this is an easy one. And what's your confidence meter in Mac Jones winning you a game five and a half, five and a half at the end of the day, guys, it straight.

No no here.

Got a thing about Matt Jones is he's too emotional combustible, like if you watch him, and even coach Saban said he was like the one thing if I had to tell mex that we had control when he was at Alabama, we controlled his emotion. Like when he make a band play, he whined like a baby. When he make a good play, he's a static.

Know what I love about Sam?

Sam is just middle.

I'm not mon emotional man. I still got three quarters of ball to player. I don't care nothing about that. I still got to go play ball.

So I the covenant is.

Matter in mac Jones. His name too regular too.

I'm not to give it a four. Four.

Yeah, I'm not very confident in right now. I think he had a really good game against the Bills. Was that two weeks ago? But he's had some absolutely well you look.

At him his first year. John mc dange's really was the kind of the puppet master behind him having that Pro Bowl season. So it's all about, too, who you got calling the players, who you got putting you in position?

Who catching it? Kendrick Bard just got hurt.

Kendrick Bourne. Uh, Parker's hurt there for them too, but nobody.

Let's talk about. So it's Tommy DeVito, He's starting in New York.

He has he has less yours than the dead Man.

Don't you know? He got next negative negative? Your past?

What screen play got stopped on the back from that sounds fitting for New Yorkers, Like, No, it's like one of those those those Gambino movies or something, the Beato.

I'm pretty sure that in Good Fellas, Joe Petty's character's name is Timmy Daviata.

And he also got a niggative.

But you know, like there's some bad quarterbacks the I mean, how would you feel if if Jordan Love is.

The quarterback here?

Would you?

Would you like Jordan Love? I do take him over Sam, No, I'm not. I'm not. It's hard he is younger, Yeah, I mean, but also to you, I don't know. I can't answer that. Is it like a wash for you?

Kind of in terms of comp because I feel like when I watched Jordan Love, I mean, there there are various.

Plays where he have he have He shows you the potential. Then I see plays to where he's kind of still learning and trying to figure it out, you know what I'm saying.

So I think get too much props. I'm not sold on him.

Floor.

I'm not sold on the floor.

I'm sold on the floor.

I think the thing about Green Bay, just to give some context, is they have all all of their all of their offensive playmakers out of the running back are in their first or second year behind an offensive line that suffer a lot of injuries. So I don't think you can kind of.

And that's why I say you can't really show because that especially the officer line. I think the officer line is to me, the deciding the fact that when it comes to a lot of quarterbacks.

Come to the offensive players period.

Don't hurt no ball that hurts how much time he sits there, and don't don't flint he holds the ball more than like if you put him behind the office of line and got the bread man, we'll be we'll be looking at Hurts like we look at Sam like you know what I mean, We'll be having those same

I mean, I think, you know, I really like Jordan Love. I think he's got some ability. I do think there's a little bit of irregularity in game for me, I just or something about Sam like when he's on, he's on, he is on. Yeah, like watching him in that Philly game, just how consistent, how poised he is, you can make every single throw. I mean I still think about that Broncos game. A couple throws me in that game, and I.

Just like that is we throw for child I mean Childer to me, the one that that was great man man as a conaback this show Wards nightmare.

I could be in this hill pocket but that passed.

I can't defat or the Baali through the Gibson on the rail. I can't right over the top there right in the bucket. And so you see enough of those high level things and right now, I think the thing that is like the biggest glaring issue with his game is that he takes a lot of sacks. But you've seen that eb if he calls a good game or he calls the right game, because he's always calling pretty

I just I look at that.

I'm like, man, there there's so much there to be excited about with Sam, And if you're a fan of him, I know this hater over here is doing whatever he's doing. Yeah, he throwing out, But I just think there's enough outside and I think it's gonna get better.

I think that's the thing.

Like there's certain times you're like, you watch a quarterback and you're like, for example, with Mac Jones, like what is his ceiling? Because you watch him and he does these process as well. His arm talent's not there, so they have a really hard time pushing the ball to the sideline and.

He don't do it right.

And I think with Sam, you see all the physical tools and you see the mental stuff starting to come with it. And I'm just saying, if he can become And I just think about Kirk early in his career. Yeah, everyone everyone was hating on Kirk, but he developed into But he developed into one of the best, one of the better quarterbacks in the league, is what I'd say. And I think I think Sam is ahead.

Of that right now. Yeah, So did that all right?

Sails?

So Jason are we doing this? Are you hating this one? Or are we doing this one?

On? Around here?

This team can't make the playoffs?

You know that.

That's a hater right there.

I can't do it. We can't do it.

We're too far behind. We're giving up pieces. Sam, howel ain't it We're not getting there?

Can't do it well? Like his voice asked, Yeah, I love it. Hater's voice, right, It's fitting the character, you know what I mean? Because you know Jason and I know don't talk, you know, but you know I was just talking to this. I was talking to Sheen. I said, I kind of talked about just that twenty twelve season we had, man, it was three and six that year and found our way in the playoffs until I found our way riding high going into the playoffs. So anything

I think it's one of them things where all right, let's go realistic. We already oer and three in the division, but we can go five hundred in the division. You can still go three and three in individual. You got some games you can win. You got the New England Patriots ahead. Of course, people gonna look and say, Miami, it looks something beatable, But I watch them get beat all the time, like it's ways to see how it's way to make this thing happen.

I tell them all the time, take every season.

One game at a time, because once we go and one, I mean one and oh and in the season open we win in the super Bowl.

Then when we're three and one after.

Four games, oh, get my ticket? Do you lose to in a rowing?

Ah?

We just think in his tickets. So you can't go on this emotional roller coaster.

What you can do is sit back and then enjoy the riot because I can say this, this is the beginning, This is only the beginning.

And I would say that when you look at this team in ten, I think you just brought this up, and I just want to reiterate something there is when I look at this offense and I see what they did against Philly in both outings, I say, that is an offense that can win you some football games. Right, So if they can, if they can play with that level of consistency, it was gonna be tough, Sam, how

Right? Can they make the one or two plays we need?

And that's something that I would say is gonna be if if that happens, which I think is entirely possible. It's entirely possible that happens. Let's say Benjamin Saint Juice. And let's just take the Philly game, because we're just talking Abo. He makes that PBu with makes PBu with one hand, Ki yeah, right, or they break up that pass to Julio and the enzng right, two plays, totally different outcome of the game. Or Forbes in that Tampa too.

Right, or Forbes you know, don't keep running fading back on.

Now and just finish the play at the highest point.

And I think that, like then the game is completely different and all of a sudden, you don't need thirty points to score, you just need twenty eighth and that's a much more reasonable thing. And against some teams with like less efficient quarterback play, I think that's gonna be plenty.

And we'll see.

I'm not saying I don't have any of this is an inside baseball. It's just like based on past performance what I think happened. So there's a very real possibility that they play better, they win some games they shouldn't win, and they win the games they should win, and they end up in the playoffs. You know, it's interesting. You made me think back to twenty ten and eleven with Kyle and I remember we had like, you know, obviously Tannis here, but we had like Jabbar Gaffney and Star

Listen, sometimes you got to lean on Jesus, hater, Jason's gone.

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