[SPEAKER_03]: Welcome to the Come Followed Implotcast. [SPEAKER_03]: This podcast is created by the Boise Nampah Institute of Religion for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. [SPEAKER_03]: Here, we hope to help young adults find relevant principles each week as they study the Assign Come Follow Me in Scripture Block as outlined by the Church.
[SPEAKER_03]: This episode is simply two links to two teachers talking about what they see in the Scriptures that might be relevant to your life. [SPEAKER_03]: It is not intended to speak for the church or to definitively define doctrines or policies. [SPEAKER_03]: Any opinion shared here are just that. [SPEAKER_03]: Our opinions as we have learned to come follow him. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm your host, Max Winson. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's jump in. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, welcome back, everybody.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's good to be with you again this week. [SPEAKER_03]: I am Worcester Kathleen Clements again. [SPEAKER_03]: Sister Clements, welcome. [SPEAKER_00]: Hello, I'm so great to be here. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so fun to have you guys here. [SPEAKER_03]: I always worry because we're all super busy. [SPEAKER_03]: And this is part of my institute assignment, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So it's part of my job. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's added when I ask you guys to do it.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's an added like, hey, spend another two hours with me and it happens so frequently that I'm grateful for your time. [SPEAKER_03]: Pray for the prep and come and spend time with us. [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome to give. [SPEAKER_03]: are we were just talking about this.
[SPEAKER_00]: You are getting masters know a doctorate degree right now want to tell us a little bit about what you're doing learning because I just want to help us with two but I am at Gonzaga getting my dissertation getting ready to do that in organizational leadership. [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm excited, I'm thinking about doing something about covenant, where God is a covenant, makeery, the covenant, and creator.
[SPEAKER_00]: He invites us to do, you know, be involved in this covenant, on where that's kind, that's what's missing in our organizations, even in our civilization, in society, is we're just not committed, you know, like the actual covenant. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: like I, while I'm in a leave, I'm only going to give you about two weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not committed to the people necessarily, the competitive community. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And what if, what if we could find that in leadership, then immortalizations? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Just in corporations and businesses, but in our communities. [SPEAKER_03]: Mm, that's really great. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, if we would really commit to one another, what might we overlook? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: How would our jobs be different if we didn't view them as I'm contributing my time to your venture? [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So one of the things I think often about that, you know, in the church, often we're told we are of volunteer organization. [SPEAKER_03]: But every time I hear that, I just bulk at it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's your temple attending person, having gone to the temple and made covenants. [SPEAKER_03]: You are not volunteering anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: It's very different to think, I'm going to go volunteer my time on Wednesday night to spend time with the young women, or the young men.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then it is, I've covenanted to assist the young men in young women because that's my calling right now. [SPEAKER_03]: That changes how you act on Wednesday about your assignment or whatever, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So I think you're right, changing, [SPEAKER_03]: the premise of our service to each other in our community and in church or wherever. [SPEAKER_03]: Even at work would affect how we are influenced by the titles we used. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: And I would just really work together. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how that turned out. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm excited. [SPEAKER_03]: I will read that. [SPEAKER_03]: That sounds interesting to me. [SPEAKER_03]: Today, we're going to be in Genesis chapter five, and in Moses chapter six, and Moses chapter six, I think probably has the bulk of where we're going to be.
[SPEAKER_03]: Genesis chapter five covers genealogically, I think some things for much of it, so we're, we're going to probably spend our time in Moses six, but I'll let you direct us there's take us in, what should we know, where should we go. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's interesting now that you're saying the comparison here. [SPEAKER_00]: Genesis 5 is fairly short. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It really just gives the details of how long they lived their film history.
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll be got who and these families that have led up to. [SPEAKER_00]: And we only have really two verses, like I said, yeah, it's about two verses that we've learned even anything about Enoch, verse 21 and 24 in Genesis when it just talks about he walked with God and he walked with God and he was not, we're gone took him. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So after he walked with him for a while, then he had to be taken up with God.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So we really don't know a whole lot, but yet we turn and get this amazing feeling that [SPEAKER_03]: take an hour left out or whatever the insert of the next between first 2023 really maybe just to summarize everything else chapter one through 32 is the generations of Adam [SPEAKER_03]: which I think is great because it goes from Adam to Noah, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't teach us how the scriptural accounts that we have linked to the family, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Because there were lots of branches once you got past Adam's kids, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But this is a reference guide for, when you're reading about this story, this is where his dad came from, and this is how we're linking. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think there's value in chapter five, but it's not really principally based or doctorally based.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's [SPEAKER_00]: When I love in this history that we have extra in Moses, it doesn't just say, like if you look back over in Genesis, and we have Melon Fimmel Recreep, and we have Adam that lived this many years. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it goes right into his one of his son's death, and just moves forward, where if you get back into Moses, it tells just brief details a little bit here and there about these families still had hard experiences.
[SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just that this family lived and then this family lived, they had some. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, give us an example of that. [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you see that kind of a? [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so, I mean, you get into, it mentions a little to me, but about Abel, which we know other places in Genesis, which we don't even have about Cain and Abel, and the heartache that that would have been for Abel and to, you know, what are we doing here, how do we raise these these children.
[SPEAKER_00]: But then if you get down into, you know, more of this chapter of about Adam, it talks about how he walked with God and how the spirit helped him through some of these situations [SPEAKER_00]: have been able to learn and live. [SPEAKER_00]: When you get down into Seth, it talks about the Satan had dominion over man everywhere and it raged on their hearts. [SPEAKER_00]: And so it shows where I like you said with this, you know, these families that how are they going to navigate?
[SPEAKER_00]: This life is a gets bigger and greater and have more and more family of more and more situations. [SPEAKER_00]: We have careers in a longer and elementary or middle school. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Just it progresses. [SPEAKER_00]: But how can you do that?
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I love that that it brings my mind right to verse six of chapter six of Moses says by then, speaking about him, [SPEAKER_03]: Having a language which was pure and undefiled, what are how they were taught that, right? [SPEAKER_03]: What did angels come and teach them how to read and write? [SPEAKER_03]: But then for seven, this same priesthood, which was in the beginning, shall be the end of the world. [SPEAKER_03]: That's literally the next sentence.
[SPEAKER_03]: So it says, by them, they're determined if their children were taught to read and write, having a language which was pure and undefiled, now this same priesthood. [SPEAKER_03]: But what are we talking about the priesthood, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that, you know, it's interesting what the Lord describes to priesthood.
[SPEAKER_03]: In this case, he's describing a knowledge of tracking your history and writing your ancestral lines down and writing your history out, being a leader, right? [SPEAKER_03]: That's a godly power that he's associating with the priesthood. [SPEAKER_03]: But what's interesting is this in this, [SPEAKER_03]: is it says now this same priest which was in the beginning shall be in the end of the world also.
[SPEAKER_03]: So the priesthood in its fullness is what we know Adam was getting right he was a Melchazic priest and holder had held all the keys necessary that we probably have today on earth right with some that are given and taken at certain points like plumber or whatever right. [SPEAKER_03]: But an interesting concept, the way that he's defining priesthood and describing the powers that Adam and I were given, that are then going to govern the family, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that is how he starts and then he gets into these problems that these families are having, but ultimately by priesthood and by the teaching of parents to their children, that structure is how we are to learn from beginning to end. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, on that God, this is his power. [SPEAKER_00]: This is his plan, and it's from the beginning. [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't Adam's power. [SPEAKER_00]: Christopher didn't begin with Adam.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's God's power that he organized and set up and gave and gave. [SPEAKER_00]: assignments to direct power. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so that's interesting that, you know, that it's mentioned these all through different ones that well, this power was continued. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of God. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, to be given to family, after family, after family and I do know that they mentioned almost all of these.
[SPEAKER_00]: and they be gas-sums and daughters that are benefiting from this power of God, because I think sometimes we forget that the priesthood is not man, the priesthood is God, and God has organized it so that all of his children are being led, guided, and can access him through that power. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's really interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the language that he uses and the terminology that he uses, I think is really telling there.
[SPEAKER_03]: If you look at verse nine, in the image of his own body, male and female, created to them. [SPEAKER_03]: So we're talking about the image of God. [SPEAKER_03]: He was able to create male and female based on his physical form, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So, I mean, obviously, I think God is a male, but he's creating female based on the pattern that is human, right, that is the child of God.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then it goes on and where this language comes in again, it says, [SPEAKER_03]: Isn't that an interesting phrase because we learned earlier, and even in chapter five, and in Moses, Aaron Genesis chapter five, it says that he would call then, he called him Adam, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But now he's calling them all of the children, Adam, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Which ultimately is the children of God, all being called under Adam, the father, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So the atom lives in 130 years, we get suns, and then we get into the beginning section a little bit here in the Moses X, where should we stop? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, so can we jump right into this amazing example of what God can do with us? [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So here we are if we go to Moses 6, 26. [SPEAKER_00]: And what's going as we point out in Genesis, there's only those two verses about Enoch.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But here we find out and we found out that Enoch was born. [SPEAKER_00]: And there were some others in this family. [SPEAKER_00]: And then in verse 26, it says, and it came to [SPEAKER_00]: among the people. [SPEAKER_00]: So where is he at? [SPEAKER_00]: Where is he, you know, walking the worker, walk and to do this or talk to these people and do these things that he needs to. [SPEAKER_00]: He's journeying, doing these things among the people.
[SPEAKER_00]: And as he journeyed, so rumors with the people, journeying, when he was experiencing these things, the spirit of God to send it out of heaven and a boat upon him. [SPEAKER_00]: And when he talks to him, he immediately, the first thing he says, [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, we go, we've gone into the, you know, yeah, we've, we've studied this about and I can help. [SPEAKER_00]: He walked with God and we're going to find out how there's power there.
[SPEAKER_00]: But we also need to think about what was going on in his journeys with these people. [SPEAKER_00]: And we recognize that when he first, when God says, okay, I need you, these people are not listening to me. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And I want to talk to them. [SPEAKER_00]: I love them. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to help them. [SPEAKER_00]: So instead, I'm going to have you go and you're going to talk to him so that they'll listen to you.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And the first thing, the e-mic, points out when God says, okay, I'm trusting you with this special permit because these are my kids. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I know that they need to hear me and I want you to go, e-nig, bows themselves to the earth. [SPEAKER_00]: First of all, this is just like a humbling. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: almost an overwhelming, I just can't even imagine.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he says, why is it the five found favorite on the site? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm but a lad, which 65 years old, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not quite there. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's that's all to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and you live to be, what is it that? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm lived it's right here. [SPEAKER_03]: Adam lived 930 years, first 12 says, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, 65. [SPEAKER_00]: So I was going, yes.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so he's like, first of all, I'm young. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want me. [SPEAKER_00]: Second of all, all the people hate me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: For him to express that, what is going on in his journeys? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What is going on that is so heavy that he must feel overwhelmed. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you imagine if people hate you everywhere? [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, they all hate me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Not just a few of them, not just this side of town, right? [SPEAKER_00]: They all hate me. [SPEAKER_00]: And what's the first thing God said to him, you are my son, I think that's so important, especially in our world today, with all the voices and all the circumstances and all the things that we have going on, and even so many of Satan's tactics right now that we fill alone. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, I've recently, I've really identified with Satan's plan is a loner plan.
[SPEAKER_00]: you're alone. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, if you're already messed up, so you might as well give up. [SPEAKER_00]: You're disappointing everyone. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Or nobody likes you and all of our technology and how that is just using that to make us feel like withdraw. [SPEAKER_00]: Should be by yourself, do it on your own. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you're not doing it on your own, do well. [SPEAKER_00]: You're failing.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But Heavenly Father and our Savior, they're planned. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a family plan. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: and what's the first thing that God reminds in it when he's not feeling of, he's lonely, he doesn't fit, they all hate him. [SPEAKER_00]: You are my son. [SPEAKER_00]: You are important, you are special, and if you will understand that truth, it doesn't matter what's going on.
[SPEAKER_00]: I will be a bite of you, you will bite of me, you have my power. [SPEAKER_03]: So I just thought that was a really powerful I agree with you in in its experience Verse 21 and go back to verse 21 Barrett taught Enoch in all the ways of God is that right? [SPEAKER_03]: Jarrett his father [SPEAKER_03]: And so Edic had a boyhood probably of learning, and maybe even at 65 with his dad who's our old at that point, he's still learning the spiritual sense of the earth, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: We have a hard time, I think, perspective wise, looking back and understanding what culture they were living in, right? [SPEAKER_03]: You and I live in a time where the church is very organized and structured, and there's a profit in the apostles, and we have a bishop, and there's the structure is there. [SPEAKER_03]: But to these people, God was creating in the right order the understanding of who they were, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: You couldn't just start with the structure of the church. [SPEAKER_03]: You started with the family structure, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And as the family splintered and grew bigger and bigger, then the structure of the church comes in to manage and direct the family. [SPEAKER_03]: Or to assist the family would be a better way of saying that, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But in this case, [SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, Enix a prophet, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Obviously, he's got parentage that is prophetic with Adam, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And it would have been probably during his life. [SPEAKER_03]: He would have had prophet like people living amongst and around him. [SPEAKER_03]: But he doesn't have the feeling that that's him yet, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I love just quickly a comparison between verse 31 when he says, [SPEAKER_03]: Why is it that I have found favoring my site and and then but a lad and all the people hate me for I am slow speech Wherefore I am am I that servant that's a question like really me on the guy if you fast forward just to see his transition go to chapter 7 verse 13 [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing what he becomes.
[SPEAKER_03]: So great was the faith of Enoch that he led the people of God and their enemies came to battle against them and he spaked the word of the Lord and the earth trembled. [SPEAKER_03]: This guy that was slow of speed, right? [SPEAKER_03]: How many years has been out of him? [SPEAKER_03]: In the mountains fled ever according to his command and the rivers of water were turned out of their course.
[SPEAKER_03]: and the roar of lions was heard out of the wilderness, and all nations fear greatly, so powerful was the word of Enoch, and so great was the power of the language of God that had given him. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think in connection to our young adults and people that might be listening to this thinking, I feel like I don't have that strength, I don't have that power. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, neither did Enoch, and you could put in your own weakness, whatever it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether the people hate you or you feel like you don't fit in your word or whatever it is Because I am slow speech was what Eniquit say Cause I thought that whatever you put in there God's response will still be [SPEAKER_03]: I am your father, your my child.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have this plan for you, just stay on the course, and you can have like in it, have the same power to speak the word I give you, that if you'll stay there, will give you all the power and the authority and the direction that you need in your life to accomplish. [SPEAKER_03]: Wonderful things, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so very cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, another thing, too, that you mentioned, you know, wait, wait, wait, nine knots. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not good.
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have, but, but. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, his dad gets, I think it's, I think this is not a coincidence, but he, it's recorded that his dad was 162 when he had him. [SPEAKER_00]: So by the time he's called, which we assume it's 65, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's recorded that way. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: How old is dad? [SPEAKER_00]: So even for him to say, whoa, I am young. [SPEAKER_00]: What about my dad? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: He is there. [SPEAKER_00]: And we know that he was righteous. [SPEAKER_00]: We know that he was he taught his son and all the ways of God. [SPEAKER_00]: So he was a good speaker. [SPEAKER_03]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: He was able to help him. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want me. [SPEAKER_00]: You want someone else. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: They're coming down. [SPEAKER_00]: And how many of our young adults probably also say, wait, whoa, whoa.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's so interesting is, Enoch says, God, are you sure the very first thing, after he obeys, okay, I'm gonna walk again, the very first thing, what happens? [SPEAKER_00]: In verse 37, it came to pass that Enoch went forth along among the people standing upon the hills and the high places and cried with loud voice, testifying against the works, and all men were offended because of him.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not an instant obvious, whatever the Lord's going to do with us, and that's one of those as well, that walk with me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't show up with me, and it's going to change, walk with me, and I will show you what I can do with you. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's so interesting and I love that perspective, you know, standing upon the hills, high places, cried with the loud voice.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's he's doing the prophetic, you know, the watch watchman on the watch tower, right? [SPEAKER_03]: What he's saying, I think is also interesting, that [SPEAKER_03]: He's not calling them to repentance necessarily. [SPEAKER_03]: If you back up to for 33, say unto this people, this is the thing he's told. [SPEAKER_03]: Choose either day to serve the Lord God who made you. [SPEAKER_03]: Use your agency.
[SPEAKER_03]: choose to follow God, choose to be obedient to the commands and the instructions that we've been given up to this point. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that instruction, if he's standing on the mountains, saying, choose to follow God, and like teaching the principles and practices of Godly life, it's interesting that they get offended. [SPEAKER_03]: like what I'm doing is not that. [SPEAKER_03]: And so who are you, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like it's not even that he's calling them out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's just saying, you know right from wrong, and this is right. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm teaching you what's right. [SPEAKER_03]: Use your agency and do what's right. [SPEAKER_03]: They get offended and say, whoa. [SPEAKER_03]: Who are you? [SPEAKER_03]: Why are you even talking right now, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like we don't need any guidance outside of our own perspective in our own thoughts. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think that's the world we live in today.
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not any different, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, thinking about even how he just went up, you know, just I'm going to do what I've been but told it's interesting that the Lord didn't respond to Him when He's like, I'm too young, I can't speak. [SPEAKER_00]: They'll hate me. [SPEAKER_00]: Like if this is such a special, important thing to you, father, [SPEAKER_00]: and the Savior to go and talk to them and hear you. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't want me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Think of the comfort in his mind that we've given him. [SPEAKER_00]: When he's journeying and it's clear that he has been pierced many times. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably by words, by actions, all sorts of behavior if they don't like him. [SPEAKER_00]: Open my mouth and it shall be filled. [SPEAKER_00]: And I will give the utterance for all clashes in my hand and I will do a similar good.
[SPEAKER_00]: He doesn't tell, you know what, you're right, why don't you pay attention in school and learn how to speak better. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Why haven't you in practice? [SPEAKER_00]: Why haven't you tried making more friends instead? [SPEAKER_00]: He just says, just, oh, day. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And open your mouth. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: That action, just keep moving forward. [SPEAKER_00]: I will inspire. [SPEAKER_00]: I will help you.
[SPEAKER_00]: And that kind of goes too when he tells him, this is what you're going to share. [SPEAKER_00]: It's as simple as this. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: and maybe even how you said that he was just saying juice. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he was just saying, this is blasphemy. [SPEAKER_00]: He was just his testimony. [SPEAKER_00]: He just needed to open and the war would do their last. [SPEAKER_00]: But those words. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's so offensive.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I mean, holy cow. [SPEAKER_03]: It, you know, I love the, I love the, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: the counsel that God's giving him. [SPEAKER_03]: I love that it also comes with that the promise of being, I don't know that safe is the promise, right? [SPEAKER_03]: You just shall not be pierced, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It sounds like safe. [SPEAKER_03]: He had been killed in the act of serving.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know that we could we would read that and think, well, that [SPEAKER_03]: didn't happen. [SPEAKER_03]: I think we would say what, eternally, nobody's right, but that's not what happens in the unique story. [SPEAKER_03]: Just quick anecdotal story.
[SPEAKER_03]: Oldest son is currently serving mission in the Alpine German speaking mission, which is a Swiss Alps, he's just in this in Switzerland right now, it's just beautiful [SPEAKER_03]: I had an opportunity to give him a blessing just before he left, and some interesting words came out of my mouth as I was processing what things I felt like I needed to bless him with, and one of the things that he was blessed with was that he would be protected.
[SPEAKER_03]: And here's a quote, those that would wish to do him harm will be sorted before they even come close to him, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And now I don't speak like that. [SPEAKER_03]: That's not my language. [SPEAKER_03]: That was just came my head and I said, I just said it. [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't think about that much. [SPEAKER_03]: My wife did. [SPEAKER_03]: She heard that and she was like, what does that mean?
[SPEAKER_03]: People want to do an arm and she gets all nervous about it, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And but then she realized, okay, well, there's a promise that he won't be harmed, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And so I didn't really think much of it. [SPEAKER_03]: My wife recorded the blessing and she wrote it all down and all stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: So the next day he flies out. [SPEAKER_03]: We're like three in the morning. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to the airport. [SPEAKER_03]: We fly him out.
[SPEAKER_03]: He's he goes to Salt Lake. [SPEAKER_03]: He's on his way to Georgia. [SPEAKER_03]: and he gets to Georgia, lands safely, and we know he's in Georgia. [SPEAKER_03]: So my wife, it's early in the morning, still my wife is viewing his travels around the country, you know, on his fine mind, because we put a air tag in his suitcase, so we know we were wearing that.
[SPEAKER_03]: And so she's following, kind of where he's at, and she's on social media kind of that, she's watching, and she's just kind of wasting time, maybe. [SPEAKER_03]: But the new story comes up that a shooter was at the Georgia airport. [SPEAKER_03]: And she's like, I mean, obviously as a mom, your blood all run, rushes out of your face and you're, you're worried, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So she immediately starts reading this story.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it turns out that the shooter that was caught at the boy's, or at the Georgia airport, his family knew what he was doing. [SPEAKER_03]: They called the authorities. [SPEAKER_03]: They said he's coming. [SPEAKER_03]: They found him wandering around in the airport, kind of case in the joint. [SPEAKER_03]: and were able to get him before Keith even arrives to the airport, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Not that it would have happened in the same moments, but maybe we don't know that six hours later, six hours earlier. [SPEAKER_03]: And so for my wife, that promise was instantly found. [SPEAKER_03]: The day he starts serving his mission. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: There might be people, but God won't even let him get close. [SPEAKER_03]: I think those types of promises are all over the Scriptures.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think that while this one is promised to Enix, if you're asked to do the same thing, go and teach, open your mouth, I'll fill it. [SPEAKER_03]: Why would God not give you the same promise that he gave to Enix, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the principle is, I'd alert him bound when you do it, I say. [SPEAKER_03]: unbound by the promises I associate with the blessings and and the tasks that I give you, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's Enek or it's you, same blessings are associated. [SPEAKER_03]: Again, that might be come to fruition in the attorneys. [SPEAKER_03]: You might get killed in the act of doing your thing, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever that is, but I love the principle there that the whatever the Lord says will happen. [SPEAKER_03]: Whether I see it that way or not, it will happen. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's so cool.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, how awesome that even your wife, like as a mom and your child already your worry. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And for you, your family had that special promise day one and the comfort there that obviously, that was probably one of her number one, this is the first mission area. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: like this is a new territory and how really is he going to be okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Well to and how he said it's all over the scripture of these promises.
[SPEAKER_00]: We see it just like your special promise going back to Enoch, my spirit will be with you. [SPEAKER_00]: And the mountains will flee, the rivers shall turn their course. [SPEAKER_00]: How do we first meet in it? [SPEAKER_00]: He was journeying.
[SPEAKER_00]: It was journey among the people and whether that was a mountain or not, can you imagine how that would have felt, trying to journey people that didn't like you, but whatever reason that was, and those lonely feelings and everything. [SPEAKER_00]: And what does it promise? [SPEAKER_00]: The mountains will flee. [SPEAKER_00]: Now that doesn't necessarily mean it's going to completely move, necessarily. [SPEAKER_00]: But a mountain feel is going to flee.
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was just stay with me and then rivers. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you ever tried to go up, river? [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, tough. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's how exhausting it is that he's promising. [SPEAKER_00]: It'll change its course. [SPEAKER_00]: You're still going to keep moving. [SPEAKER_00]: But just stay with me. [SPEAKER_00]: And when he says, therefore, buy it in me and I and you. [SPEAKER_00]: And I loved that word of Biden.
[SPEAKER_00]: It's just like with your son. [SPEAKER_00]: God was saying I'm a Biden with him. [SPEAKER_00]: I got this. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a Biden with me. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm I'm charged. [SPEAKER_00]: In fact, I wrote down earlier. [SPEAKER_00]: I got this. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what God is always. [SPEAKER_00]: I got this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Just an abide.
[SPEAKER_00]: And now I pulled it up in the Webster's 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th, 18th [SPEAKER_00]: visits here with you. [SPEAKER_00]: I love this resource because this is the year frame a time that this was translated.
[SPEAKER_00]: So we don't use words the same. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know the last time I used door to buy it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think about this. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, without scolding for words. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And so what does that really mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it talks about to exist or continue to dwell, stand firm.
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, if you think about a dwelling, a dwelling isn't somewhere you just visit, it's somewhere that you feel safe, that you connect to, that you repeatedly, you know you're going to either start their finish there and you're striving to all the time because of what's it could be a home. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a home. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: It takes a house to a home. [SPEAKER_00]: It has that connection.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And with the evening of your son, I got this. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's cool to what happens to him, right? [SPEAKER_03]: All were offended. [SPEAKER_03]: We've got, we've got that far on 38, right? [SPEAKER_03]: 37, but look at 38. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're all offended, but what do they do? [SPEAKER_03]: They came forth to hear him. [SPEAKER_03]: What? [SPEAKER_03]: And listen to why they why?
[SPEAKER_03]: They say, upon the high places, saying, under the tent keepers, Terry here and keep the tents, like there must have been people that handle, like home makers or home keepers or odd amount of what it was. [SPEAKER_03]: But the tent makers, we're told to stay back and we're going to go, while we go yonder to behold the sear for he prophesied. [SPEAKER_03]: And there is a strange thing in the land, a wild man had to come amongst us, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: So this idea, and again, maybe it's cultural that we live in a time where church is prevalent, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Whether it's our church or all the other churches, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But they didn't necessarily. [SPEAKER_03]: And [SPEAKER_03]: This is a group of people that kind of had gone off into the Cainan area, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Cainan was a person, and he was a son.
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but Cainan, the land was also created, and so this group of people was living in Cainan, where they would have been separated from the Adams Adam family, and which was probably where the... [SPEAKER_03]: priesthood remained. [SPEAKER_03]: This group, living off on the on the side, would have been equivalently like a group of people living out in the bush today that doesn't have access to consistent.
[SPEAKER_03]: So this idea that there's someone speaking for God, [SPEAKER_03]: What is God is not foreign to these people? [SPEAKER_03]: This is the, that's their whole world. [SPEAKER_03]: That this strange thing is in the land I'm wild man, come at the monastery. [SPEAKER_03]: So they're offended by this thing, but they're attracted to the thing. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's the gospel, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It's so offensive sometimes to my personal desires.
[SPEAKER_03]: But I'm drawn to it because I know it's right. [SPEAKER_03]: My spirit is season and says that's the thing I need. [SPEAKER_03]: But then I listen to what I'm told and I'm like, I don't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't do this. [SPEAKER_03]: This is way more fun, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm inwardly offended. [SPEAKER_03]: But and and then maybe to some degree, I see those that are probably it's more tempered and not members of the church, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: But and members of any faith, really. [SPEAKER_03]: But for those that don't have faith, [SPEAKER_03]: a profit is a wild man, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, I can drink coffee. [SPEAKER_03]: That is not killing anybody. [SPEAKER_03]: Like, right? [SPEAKER_03]: There's no reason behind anything a profit says for those that are unbelievers. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's where these people were. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and to talk about a wild man, something, how you mentioned, they they saw him out. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And they want it. [SPEAKER_00]: He's a [SPEAKER_00]: Many years ago, I had an incredible young man that was, he had just graduated and he had started an adaptive needs class. [SPEAKER_00]: And I found out about this incredible young man and invited him to come back and be one of our mentors.
[SPEAKER_00]: And this young man is in a wheelchair for some things with his body. [SPEAKER_00]: At one point, a general authority was in town and his family, a telemobility tells our soldiers, but his family traveled around with this General Horty. [SPEAKER_00]: And after the weekend was over, I asked him how was that to go with a round with this General Horty. [SPEAKER_00]: And initially, this young man, I'll just say his name's Bryce.
[SPEAKER_00]: But this young man, Bryce was, he said, [SPEAKER_00]: Everywhere we went he wanted me to say something or be in front and I didn't like that and in that moment It was just a coolest thing.
[SPEAKER_00]: You know a small moments that God let you really see even more the potential and who someone is a different woman's and just as look at Bryce What as he was saying that I recognized recognized how God trusted him with this body that he has [SPEAKER_00]: no matter where Bryce is, people notice him because he's in a wheelchair and has to do some of these things and his spirit, he's so bright, he's such an incredible young man.
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's interesting, each one of us have something in our lives that we may see it as, [SPEAKER_00]: something that's a little bit different, a little bit wild, a little bit, it's not like everyone else. [SPEAKER_00]: But as he's trusting, he's trusting you to stand out in the way you need to stand out, to help others find him. [SPEAKER_00]: And the way that he knows, you have the gift of whatever that is because of that, that you've agreed to.
[SPEAKER_00]: So I just think that's really interesting that how many of our young people say, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, why is he getting that? [SPEAKER_00]: Because he loves you. [SPEAKER_00]: Because he knows you can use that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, no, that. [SPEAKER_03]: It probably is something he turns into a strength of you. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, Enoch was a slow speech. [SPEAKER_03]: Moses similarly, right? [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't feel confident at his speech.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it those those characteristics attributes of their physical sense were things that the Lord actually could turn into powerful resources or [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe even in Moses's case, a sign an errand to be part of his experience, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So that we grow by having a head and a neck and an arm and a finger and right? [SPEAKER_03]: We need all the parts and pieces of the church.
[SPEAKER_03]: or of the body of Christ, and by learning, maybe Bryce's situation, he was not going to be the legs, but he was going to be the voice, then somebody was going to be with him and will be with him throughout his life, helping him be in the places he needs to be. [SPEAKER_03]: But he'll be the voice or whatever, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, it's interesting.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, it's coming to my mind, but my older two daughters are married just recently in the last five years they both got married and they've married such wonderful young men, just fantastic young men, and I've had occasion of giving both of them blessings and [SPEAKER_03]: and they're both very athletic and tall. [SPEAKER_03]: They're both super tall, 6, 5, 6, 6, 6 tall, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And they carry themselves with [SPEAKER_03]: power and with authority when they walk into the room, but with humility, both of them. [SPEAKER_03]: And one time I was with my oldest daughter and her husband and we were walking behind them, going into a part living voice, it's not dangerous. [SPEAKER_03]: But we were walking into a part of downtown voice. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a little less comfortable. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was interesting my my son-in-law is a Brandon.
[SPEAKER_03]: He always kind of walks. [SPEAKER_03]: He doesn't want people to feel intimidated by him. [SPEAKER_03]: So he kind of walks with his shoulders down and his head down just a hair, just enough that he doesn't want to stand upright in front of you. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was so interesting as he walked into that space with my daughter right next to him. [SPEAKER_03]: They were in front of me in my wife. [SPEAKER_03]: He stood up and he got big.
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was not, it was not I'm gonna fight something. [SPEAKER_03]: It was just, I need to make sure we're good here. [SPEAKER_03]: And he used the thing that God had given him to protect his life and to protect his circumstance situation. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's a tactile example of where men and women, young, young, and especially have been given talents and attributes that maybe haven't been fully developed yet.
[SPEAKER_03]: but they're learning to grow into and I don't feel like I'm very good at speaking, but I'm going to keep speaking and I think that's something that Heavenly Father wants me to develop or I'm a really good writer but I'm not a very good speaker. [SPEAKER_03]: Well guess what all general authorities do they get up at general conference and they read a talk they wrote because that's the way that they want to get their message out and they very rarely wing it from the pulpit right.
[SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I think there's some power in recognizing your skills and your talents, and even your weaknesses, our things God wants you to develop, so that he can use you, just like you use an unique and unique in this story. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and to go even a step further, not just our talents, but our experiences, because you use the example Moses invented and up to be an orphan, right? [SPEAKER_00]: He had been given away by his birth family.
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, he knew growing up. [SPEAKER_00]: It was not an Egyptian, but he would have looked different even though he grew up in that home. [SPEAKER_00]: So he knew he was different. [SPEAKER_00]: And then when he, whatever was inside of him, right, that good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, the God saw that he could not stand for what was happening. [SPEAKER_00]: And that circumstance, you know, kind of, I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: He's with it. [SPEAKER_03]: He's not okay with that.
[SPEAKER_00]: There's no longer a lot of people or has a place and so God putting him in that to be vulnerable to know what it's like to want to be free. [SPEAKER_00]: It's to want to know who you are or to be a part of something. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And that God was able to use that even with his weaknesses or strengths. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then here we have Enix that you even mentioned, like they were a people that probably weren't always hearing about the gossip. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [UNKNOWN]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: He was raised with a father that knew the ghost. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe that's one of the reasons they didn't learn. [SPEAKER_03]: I think it is.
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, in the first 40, it says, tell us, plainly, who that art and from one stop came, come up, it's like, who are you? [SPEAKER_03]: Why do you have this? [SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: And where did you come from or you learned this stuff? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, what is this? [SPEAKER_03]: and then he says that came out of the land, came in, the land of my father's and land of righteousness unto this day, and my father taught me in all the ways of God.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then he goes on, he just explains the basically the plan, effectively, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Verse 44, the heavens he made, the earth is his footstool. [SPEAKER_03]: The death comes upon man and upon our fathers we know that we we know them and cannot deny and even the first of all new All we know even Adam we're talking about look we all know the story of how we got here [SPEAKER_03]: But then verse 46 for a book of remembrance, we have written amongst us.
[SPEAKER_03]: And then in verse 47, and as inexplicable forth, the words of God, the people trembled and could not stand in his presence. [SPEAKER_03]: Remember, these are the offended people that always talking about is like, where we came from, why is it so hard? [SPEAKER_03]: He said, because that Adam fell, we are. [SPEAKER_03]: And by his fall came death, and we are made partakers of misery and woe.
[SPEAKER_03]: but verse 50, but God had made known unto our fathers that all men must repent. [SPEAKER_03]: So now it's becoming like, okay, I'm teaching you who you are, where you came from. [SPEAKER_03]: And now I'm gonna start calling you to repentance. [SPEAKER_03]: But look at all the offended and the fear and all the things that they'd felt before even starts calling them out to repentance. [SPEAKER_03]: It's amazing, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It's really, it's amazing to me.
[SPEAKER_03]: Verse 52, if that will turn unto me, speaking for the Lord there. [SPEAKER_03]: hear unharking into my voice and believe and repent of all thy transgressions and be baptized even in water. [SPEAKER_03]: The name of mine only begotten Son was full of grace and truth which is Jesus Christ the only name which shall be given under heaven where by salvation shall come under the children of men ye shall receive the gifts of the Holy Ghost.
[SPEAKER_03]: So [SPEAKER_03]: Foundation of the Church, Foundation of God's plan laid out cleanly to these people who had no idea what they should be doing. [SPEAKER_03]: It is God's way the same yesterday today and forever. [SPEAKER_03]: Foundation is baptism. [SPEAKER_03]: Foundation is Christ. [SPEAKER_03]: Foundation is daily repentance. [SPEAKER_03]: Joyfully repenting, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So the same as it was back then.
[SPEAKER_03]: And what I think is crazy is, Genesis chapter 5, we get [SPEAKER_03]: that he walked with God, and it's gone all, and then God took it. [SPEAKER_03]: Like what did this guy like? [SPEAKER_03]: He did so much, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and it's interesting in the Bible here, they take it out the testimony of Jesus Christ. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, out of Enoch's experience. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, for sure.
[SPEAKER_00]: And how powerful the God wanted us to have him, wanted us to know about the testimony of Enoch. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And how you'd mentioned that, especially 52, you could just heal his testimony, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And that the Spirit was able to testify and it's testify in us, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Of the truth of this, that [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus Christ is the only, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He is the only way home.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And he can save you. [SPEAKER_00]: He can help you. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at those words whereby salvation shall come unto you by Jesus. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And so it's interesting. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so cool and I think what's even better about it to me is [SPEAKER_03]: that Enek tells of Adam's experience when he asks the question, back when Adam was first learning it. [SPEAKER_03]: Adam says in verse 53, why is it that that men must repent?
[SPEAKER_03]: So there's there's for question part number one, and be baptized in water. [SPEAKER_03]: There's part two. [SPEAKER_03]: Why is why do I need to repent? [SPEAKER_03]: And why do I need to baptize? [SPEAKER_03]: And behold, God gives the answer, I have forgiven the detractions in the [SPEAKER_03]: So the, why do I have to repent? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, because if you don't, I can't forgive you, right? [SPEAKER_03]: The answer is, forgiveness comes through repentance.
[SPEAKER_03]: But then answer to part two, why do you need to be baptized? [SPEAKER_03]: Verse 88, therefore, I gave unto your commandment to teach these things freely to your children. [SPEAKER_03]: That by reason of transgression come with the fall, which fall bring it to death and as much as you were born into the world of by water and blood and the spirit, which I have made and also became a dust a living soul, even so you must be born again under the kingdom of heaven of water.
[SPEAKER_03]: Right? [SPEAKER_03]: So he answers, he answers Adam, cleanly, fast forward. [SPEAKER_03]: However many years this has been and Enix is teaching so foundational why you need to repent, why you need to be baptized fast forward to Christ's life. [SPEAKER_03]: Nicodemus, can a man enter into his mother's womb again the second time? [SPEAKER_03]: No, but this is what I'm talking about. [SPEAKER_03]: This is so foundational, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's so fantastic that we have the Lord the same yesterday, today, today and forever, right? [SPEAKER_03]: The principles of the same as they were for Adam, as they are for you and me. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not asking to do anything different. [SPEAKER_03]: Foundatially, it's all the same. [SPEAKER_00]: mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_03]: So cool. [SPEAKER_00]: It is cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and if you even hop over to verse 60, for by the water, you keep the commitment.
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So part of baptism is to help us know the commitment, help us keep the commitment. [SPEAKER_00]: I think of a special gift that Enix reminding us and testifying of every Sunday. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He has set up for us to start over. [SPEAKER_00]: No one is going to be so hard all week. [SPEAKER_00]: Keep them there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: experience that covenant to keep the commandments.
[SPEAKER_00]: So remember what that looks like from with us by the spirit you're justified. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So that spirit in that it's it's there with us. [SPEAKER_00]: It's helping and I think it was elder bednar. [SPEAKER_00]: I am probably wrong with that. [SPEAKER_00]: You your abilities. [SPEAKER_00]: But somebody testified that the the whole ghost any time we fill the whole ghost. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is a witness that we are clean.
[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of his roles. [SPEAKER_00]: How wonderful everywhere it with our family experiences with our work with going to school wherever we're at if we feel the spirit It can help remind us that we are walking with him. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to write direct. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I think that's so foundational too.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think that He does get a caveat in that he says unless you're working through some big thing with priest leaders and [SPEAKER_03]: Um, because I think you can feel the spirit while you're in those moments, working through things, but his general principle for us is if we're a member in good standing and particularly, we can know when we feel the spirit, we are clean, because the spirit will not be with you if you're not, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: I think there's something else that's interesting in verse 60. [SPEAKER_03]: the spirit by the spirit you're justified and by the blood you are sanctified, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So there's two different things going on. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the way we use the word justified in our world is not the way this is intended.
[SPEAKER_03]: To fight here is not intended to mean the spirits going to like, [SPEAKER_03]: say, well, because he repented tertiary times, and he's probably going to be fine, he's not justifying my behavior, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It's not how he's, that's not what it means.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think of the term justified, like when you're in a work document, and you justify the document, center justify it makes all the words in the middle, left it puts it all the right and column, right and right and puts it all the right. [SPEAKER_03]: That kind of justifying is what spirit does for me, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It tells me [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: So by the spirit, I am justified. [SPEAKER_03]: I am realigned. [SPEAKER_03]: But by the blood, I am sanctified.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the thing that that actually cleanses me as Christ's blood. [SPEAKER_03]: Similarly, when it [SPEAKER_03]: the spirit comes again to me as I make the covenant again and because of the blood which I'm partaking out, I can be cleansed again, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So the need to go get that past again is not there. [SPEAKER_03]: You do it every Wednesday, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Or every not Wednesday. [SPEAKER_03]: We don't protect the sacrament on Wednesday.
[SPEAKER_03]: We do it every Sunday, right? [SPEAKER_03]: It's something that weekly you can be reclaimed and read [SPEAKER_03]: and then sanctified through Christ, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I thought so cool, so cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, and how you said just by how you think of it, it's to show. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And once again, it's to show you you're going with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: You're on the right path, no matter what, and I love that you mentioned when Elder Benner said, except for if you're going through, that doesn't mean you're completely clean, but it is an indicator you're going through. [SPEAKER_00]: You're on the right path action. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Bible dictionary. [SPEAKER_00]: Going with you. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the bad dictionary defines the spirit in two different ways.
[SPEAKER_03]: One is the power of the Holy Ghost, and one is the gift to the Holy Ghost. [SPEAKER_03]: And it says the power of the Holy Ghost can come upon one prior to baptism, and is the convincing witness that the gospel is truth. [SPEAKER_03]: So even those that aren't members feel the power of the Holy Ghost all the time. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, all right.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think for those that are made to go through some hard and big, [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe even not particularly the sacrament doesn't mean that you can't feel the spirit. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't mean that the spirit will stay away from you. [SPEAKER_03]: I think even maybe the spirit comes a little more powerfully in those moments, saying, you are on the right track, this is the right thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: Which is why sometimes those experiences can be so hard and tender because the spirit is showing you oh and missing what I don't have right now. [SPEAKER_03]: and I do want that. [SPEAKER_03]: Right? [SPEAKER_03]: And so I think that that experience of the spirit outside of the perfectly clean you is cleansing to some degree as well, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Helping you in that direction. [SPEAKER_00]: And even the spirit can do that because of Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And what he offered. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and then we need to redefine that too, because I think there's an important principle to be had.
[SPEAKER_03]: If, for example, a young man or a young woman does something immoral, and they go and they visit with their bishop and the bishop says, you know, it's setting up a particular sacrament for a couple months or a couple weeks or whatever, which by the way, I don't know it's as frequent as it was back when we were grown up. [SPEAKER_03]: I think priesthood leaders are counsel, no, they need this sacrament, that's something they need to do.
[SPEAKER_03]: But let's say that it had happened. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they walk out of the Bishop's office, have they're saying that I've done this thing, being Council, let's not protect the sacrament. [SPEAKER_03]: I think the lay person listening to us have this conversation would take way to minute. [SPEAKER_03]: What the person has repented, they've gone to the Bishop, they've said this thing that they've done, they've committed it, they've owned it.
[SPEAKER_03]: And they've gone to the Lord, obviously, and said, hey, I've done this thing. [SPEAKER_03]: Why does the atonement take a while to affect him, right? [SPEAKER_03]: What are we talking about? [SPEAKER_03]: If that person walks out of the Bishop's office walks into the parking lot, the bus comes flying through and kills him. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think God looks at that guy and goes, man, if he did just done this like six weeks later, then, you know, we'd be okay.
[SPEAKER_03]: or six weeks earlier. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't think that's what's going on. [SPEAKER_03]: I think that the any time period given to a, hey, let's let's work this through, maybe accept for excommunication and, you know, membership loss. [SPEAKER_03]: I think any time period is really just an alignment time. [SPEAKER_03]: It's okay. [SPEAKER_03]: You start the process of realigning your life. [SPEAKER_03]: The priesthood leaders there to help you do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: He is not there to help you identify when you've been forgiven. [SPEAKER_03]: God does that the second you ask for that. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we learn in the scriptures all over the place. [SPEAKER_03]: But the process to become worthy to protect a sacrament again might take some time, so that you're not partaking of it in a space where it's actually maybe a little more condemning than it would be helping. [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's important to identify that.
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a good Christian friend of mine who says, [SPEAKER_03]: that they have to do something in order for the atonement to work. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, for we say things like, well, in order to make the atonement effective in my life, that's a type of language that we use. [SPEAKER_03]: And Christians don't think that way. [SPEAKER_03]: They think Christ did it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't have to like do something for him to.
[SPEAKER_03]: Then we know that we need to request that, right, involvement from him, but I think we do put a little bit too much on us when we say things like, [SPEAKER_03]: You'll have to go talk to the bishop and then I have a little bit of this problem and whatever and I just don't think the Lord is waiting to forgive us. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, and I know I mentioned this before as well, but I serve my mission of Thailand and so the Thai language is very all your emotions and those things that are important. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to think about your heart. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always giant. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a heart. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you are happy. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a smile and heart. [SPEAKER_00]: Like you really think about how you're feeling, hand one of the words for repent is a glut GI.
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is return your heart. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you think about anything we have to return it takes more than just Giving something it takes more of that effort. [SPEAKER_00]: It gives it's really our heart Yeah, it takes time. [SPEAKER_00]: It takes a change and it's you're evolving Yeah, somehow. [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's like how you mentioned with Christ.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he just wants to help us Become more like him. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah [SPEAKER_00]: to just have a better life to understand, especially in our heart and our mind, you know, more like him and who we are, who others are. [SPEAKER_00]: So that repentance, just returning our heart to him, are we turning back our lives, our efforts, our motivations, our desires. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I love it. [SPEAKER_03]: I love it.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, just for time, maybe we move towards the end of this, but one of the [SPEAKER_03]: the phrase the plant salvation actually comes from this chapter. [SPEAKER_03]: Look at verse 62, now behold, I say unto you after having top baptism, repentance and Christ. [SPEAKER_03]: Now behold, I say unto you, this is the plant salvation unto all men. [SPEAKER_03]: through the blood of mine only begotten, who shall come in the reading of time.
[SPEAKER_03]: That's the whole plan right there, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you and I know that the plan started before we came and it doesn't end when we die, there's more to the plan than, but this is how I am saved. [SPEAKER_03]: is Christ's baptism, repentance, faith, very simple, and all of the other things that come from membership in the church, knowledge that comes from that, is an appendage to being saved by Jesus through the Atonement of Christ, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: It's very, very simple. [SPEAKER_00]: one, do you even look in the footnote? [SPEAKER_00]: It's gospel of salvation. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's everything God is giving. [SPEAKER_00]: It's that plan to get us home. [SPEAKER_00]: The gospel is just helping us find him, understand how we turn to him, and we allow him to heal us through that atonement. [SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate that. [SPEAKER_03]: I go back to the question that they asked in verse 40, tell us plainly who thou art?
[SPEAKER_03]: And from one's to come, who are you? [SPEAKER_03]: Where do you get this? [SPEAKER_03]: And what does he do? [SPEAKER_03]: He goes into Adam. [SPEAKER_03]: He says, I come from Adam from the place where Adam was, where all things are still righteous. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm here to teach you the plan salvation.
[SPEAKER_03]: Ultimately, by the time he gets to 64, he's been just explaining what the Lord told Adam, how the Lord taught Adam, and then verse 64, an Adam cried unto the Lord, and he was carried away in the spirit of the Lord, and was carried down into the water, and was laid under the water, and was brought forth out of the water. [SPEAKER_03]: There was his baptism, right? [SPEAKER_03]: There's no need to baptize him, so the spirit had to do that.
[SPEAKER_03]: Thus he was baptized in the spirit of God descended upon him. [SPEAKER_03]: Thus [SPEAKER_03]: I think that's... it's so easy. [SPEAKER_03]: It's so simple. [SPEAKER_03]: We make it so hard, right? [SPEAKER_03]: One of the things that I love about you, Sister Climates, is... [SPEAKER_03]: your lessons, your classroom is not a place of lessons. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a place of learning. [SPEAKER_03]: And there's a difference.
[SPEAKER_03]: I think you are very well prepared when you walk into a class. [SPEAKER_03]: I've taught for you and gotten slides from you to see, oh wow, there's a lot he's got ready to go. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think when the students walk into your classroom, you see them and there might be some slides that you pull up, but all 40 of those slides don't come out, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Ever, probably ever. [SPEAKER_03]: And I think it's akin to what this is. [SPEAKER_03]: The plan is so prepared.
[SPEAKER_03]: There are answers and there is detail. [SPEAKER_03]: But when you walk into a teacher who is trying to teach the student, [SPEAKER_03]: to learn. [SPEAKER_03]: It isn't all presented. [SPEAKER_03]: What's necessary and needed in a moment is presented. [SPEAKER_03]: And I love that about you. [SPEAKER_03]: I love that one students come to your class. [SPEAKER_03]: They are fed and identified and feel individually taught.
[SPEAKER_03]: As opposed to, I learned a great thing today about this thing that doesn't really apply to me. [SPEAKER_03]: They learn a thing that applies directly to them. [SPEAKER_03]: Just like Adam's teacher, Enoch is teaching from what Adam had learned, right? [SPEAKER_03]: So cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Anything else in here? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I never thought about how you just mentioned that.
[SPEAKER_00]: I never thought about even that in relation to this, how God taught Adam, and set up how simple it was, but he still, just like with Enoch, he used a mountain and the river because he knew what that meant. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And if there were tents up high, they were journeying up on the mountain. [SPEAKER_00]: He used what they were familiar with to reach them, like he saw them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I've never noticed that, but in verse 63, he testifies that all things are created and made to their record of mean, both things that are temporal and things that are spiritual. [SPEAKER_00]: heaven, earth, all above the all bare record of me. [SPEAKER_00]: And that what does he use?
[SPEAKER_00]: Water to teach him and create and give him this covenant to be able to be baptized with water and come up clean, which think without a minute, for Adam, now going out into the big, scary world, that was so different in the garden. [SPEAKER_00]: But here's water to still feel that way before, so I've never thought about that and how he uses these small and simple things to talk, everything testified and how he ends is how he started.
[SPEAKER_03]: Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God, and thus, I think the word thus, [SPEAKER_03]: we read it in Scripture like it's a passing word. [SPEAKER_03]: But in this case, it means by this, all the stuff I just taught you. [SPEAKER_03]: And thus, by this, may all become my sons, amen. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the end. [SPEAKER_02]: Right? [SPEAKER_03]: It's that simple. [SPEAKER_03]: You can become a son or daughter of God by doing this thing.
[SPEAKER_03]: There's maybe a little bit of a confusion in that you're already a son, or one in me, I already a son, that's how now you can do this thing and become a son, right? [SPEAKER_03]: I think ultimately what we're talking about is the eternal nature of the capacity of man can really only be fulfilled as a son of God, when I am fully living God's law and receive blessings, all the eternal blessings God has in the store for us, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: I know you'll talk about this in a matter of podcasts, but just to show the power, like you did before, to show what the very end of Moses in chapter seven at the end of seven, 69. [SPEAKER_00]: And Enic and all his people walked with him.
[SPEAKER_00]: And he dwelt in his design and it came to pass that design was not for God received it up [SPEAKER_00]: Hus, Enic, had the courage and the determination to walk with God, and in fact, from the very, we didn't touch on that, but from the very second, he said, okay, now go get clay. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he, it, it shows. [SPEAKER_03]: Wash your eyes, get, get. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh-huh, as simple as a vision then, right?
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as simple as that is, he still immediately went and did what he wanted them to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, gave him these abilities because it was with him because he was willing to do that. [SPEAKER_00]: He even though it wasn't easy at first. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was walk with me. [SPEAKER_00]: And even in Genesis, um, he walked with got like it was a constant thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then God took him. [SPEAKER_00]: Here it was.
[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't just walk back. [SPEAKER_00]: Continue. [SPEAKER_00]: He helped all of those. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And did that all of our young people in who they were, who they loved. [SPEAKER_03]: And all the people that hated him. [SPEAKER_03]: And all the people that just didn't listen to didn't were offended by him. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the group of people he saved. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the group of people he didn't. [SPEAKER_03]: He didn't just teach them.
[SPEAKER_03]: He helped them become who Christ was, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Perfecting enough that they could be taken off the earth into a [SPEAKER_03]: completely different space. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know what that looked like.
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know where it's going to come back to, but I think there's some really cool things about, you know, the correlation between me feeling like I'm not enough, young adults feeling like they are doing it right, and in it, seeing, oh, through a life of doing this. [SPEAKER_03]: And maybe there's something to the age of these guys, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Like, if you get to do it for 700 years, [SPEAKER_03]: You probably get a little better at the U.N.I. [SPEAKER_03]: in 70, right?
[SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And so there's probably something to learn there too and be a little more patient with ourselves. [SPEAKER_03]: But because by the time he's even being called to do it, he's put for us, retired. [SPEAKER_03]: And I love that. [SPEAKER_03]: Thank you. [SPEAKER_00]: This has been, well, did you see how long it took him? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: So is that 365? [SPEAKER_00]: It takes him 300 years to help them come home.
[SPEAKER_00]: This was a long process and that's a really important of well. [SPEAKER_00]: How awesome that Heavenly Father gives us these stories of individuals, to not to look up to them and and be like them, but to allow them to help us see what that looks like for us. [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: With the same.
[SPEAKER_03]: And I like the idea that if I fast forward that 300 years into the future, right, if I can actually do this for 300 years, I would be [SPEAKER_03]: in a much different space, and I'm going to be when I die at 75 or whatever, and maybe in a similar way, if Joseph Smith had lived for 300 years, what would have been accomplished, right? [SPEAKER_03]: He says, if Joseph had lived in the age of a tree, 80 years, then much would have been accomplished.
[SPEAKER_03]: But 300 years and 700 years, man, if those profits were allowed to live that long, the amount that they could accomplish with us, I think would be significant. [SPEAKER_03]: Just grateful, the grateful for your time today. [SPEAKER_03]: Would you just close us out by speaking directly to your students? [SPEAKER_03]: From what we've talked about today, what's the principle or a principle that?
[SPEAKER_03]: you want them to remember just something that if they were listening to this podcast and their sister club and student and listening to listening to you outside of the class time with you, what would you hope they listen to or remember? [SPEAKER_00]: Just like the word reminded me, Nick, let the word remind you, you are hills. [SPEAKER_00]: based and bound ends. [SPEAKER_00]: On this foundation of number one, you are a tall guard. [SPEAKER_00]: Two, you are a child of the covenant.
[SPEAKER_00]: And number three, you're a disciple Christ. [SPEAKER_00]: If you will understand and allow Heavenly Father and your Savior to help you see who you are. [SPEAKER_00]: that you are mine. [SPEAKER_00]: That will never change. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you will choose to just walk with him, I love that. [SPEAKER_00]: Have my father doesn't. [SPEAKER_00]: That's if the Savior doesn't say run with me. [SPEAKER_03]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: He says walk with me.
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I would love for my students to just see that it's okay [SPEAKER_00]: And if we think we have to do it on our own, and we have to do it the first time, that's a lie. [SPEAKER_00]: But what the truth is, is that you can go step by step with our head, my father. [SPEAKER_00]: Give you a bite, just stay with them, walk with them.
[SPEAKER_00]: Include your Savior Jesus Christ in everything in your life, allow His atonement to help you turn back to Him and dee the best version of yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: One day, all of these young adults, all of us, if we will, if we'll just stay, you continue with Him. [SPEAKER_00]: One day, we'll walk back with Him, our Heavenly Father and Mosley will.
[SPEAKER_03]: me you might take 300 years or more right yeah but we can do this with him yeah thank you thank you well have you back thanks yeah thank you yeah