It's time for Coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee. I believe this is the first time I've ever said what I'm about to say on the radio, which is props to Mark Stoops for a great idea that I'm hoping Pat Kelsey will do the same thing. So thank you to someone who just sent this in but apparently on
I don't know when. Yeah, on July seventeenth, former Kentucky players, all former Kentucky players have been invited back to watch the La Familia TBT team. Of course that's the Kentucky team in the uh, in the in the tournament, and uh they're gonna play the current Kentucky team, like the team that Mark Pope just built. So I mean, I don't the former players being able to go back and watch. That's cool, but like, uh, I mean, you know, if Louisville played, and maybe they will,
maybe they are doing it and it's just not out there. I mean, they wouldn't open it up for fans to watch, but I would love because people would talk like we would hear. I mean, it would be out there as far as not maybe a total score. But if the Louisville TBT team with Peyton Russ and those guys and Kyle Curic, Montrez Harreld, Chris Jones, if they scrimmaged the current Louisville team that Pat Kelse put together
one that would make them better. I mean that would be that'd be a way better test, I would imagine than anything they're gonna see in in in the in the Bahamas trip. And I know some of these guys aren't in great you know, I know that Peyton Siva now is not Peyton Siva six years ago. But still like that's it'll be a really really good it would be a really good test. And I just feel like we would get enough to where I would you know, we'd hear about which players stood out and
which players you know, really excelled on both sides. I mean, it would kind of be weird, like if you watched it as a fan, like what would you want? Right, Like the the instincts are going to kick in if Montres Harald dunks on somebody, or if Russ Smith goes you know, full rusridiculous and does crazy things that Russ does, Like, instincts are gonna kick in. Where you're gonna cheer and be happy if you were watching it. But then again, they're doing it to the current team.
That's about the you know play this upcoming season, So maybe it would be a little you feel a little conflicted. But yeah, that's a good idea, I mean, because one that'll help, that'll help Kentucky's team too, scrimmaging working out against those those guys and you know, props to uh to Mark to Mark Poe. Did I say Mark Stoops to start the hour? Sorry, you corrected yourself though, Oh if I don't ever correct my well
I did, I got it right, but I didn't correct myself. I thought we need a sounder to where you can just play something that insinuates that I've said something very stupid here because everybody else knows it other than me. Because off the bat though you didn't give any context. But then when you compare Mark Stoops with Pat Kelsey, that's kind of when it set in. It was already too late at that point. But did I say, like,
did I say Pope? Did I ever even say Pope's name again until just a couple of times after you mentioned the Pat Kelsey And because and then I got into my head there because I'm thinking Pope and then again did I say stoops? So anyways, yeah, we'll move on. It's our number two here. It's coffee and company that is us. We are fueled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety nit Coffee that is me. I hope
you knew that. If not, now you do the company man, mister John all In alongside today and at the beginning of the show we were talking about how you know, this is such a lull for us around here when it comes to the sports we mostly really care about and discuss on this show. And the next thing is media days, right, the Big twelve Media Day's going on right now. The ACCAL have Theirs in a couple of weeks, the SEC I'm sure will be not far behind that. And really that's
talking season and that's better than nothing. But it's such a tease because there's usually not a whole lot to take from it. But I'm continuing to see here more and more signs that like Brett Yormack, the or your Mark I should say, the Big twelve commissioner, like he's he understands perception matters and he understands that, like, you know, you can't just sit on your rear end. And I feel like that's what Louisville's not Louisville, but the
AEC Commissioner Jim Phillips is doing. I mean, it's really unrealistic for, you know, for him to say this, but I like that he said it. So this is let me just double check to make sure I've got the yes. So this is from Ross Ellinger. He tweeted this out earlier today. Brett or Mark quote, I won't stop until we are the number one conference in America end quote. Like that's never going to happen, right, I mean, what are the chances that ever happens? But at least
he's he's striving to continue to be better and be creative. We talked about it earlier for those who missed it. Just creative things the Big Twelve is doing to get themselves attention and to potentially make some money to close the revenue gap that's there from them and everybody else. I mean, they're gonna put ads on the officials' uniforms, and that's not like something I can say is like cool, But you know, I've not heard anybody else saying they're gonna
do that. They've got a radio partnership with tune In or there's gonna be a twenty four to seven radio station on Big twelve Sports, which again I'm not sure how lucrative that'll be, but that's something they're looking into new TV windows. And this will probably be probably be made fun of. But like if, in fact, they're going to try to find new like if they're gonna try to play a Big twelve game once a week, like in a time slot on a day that like you never see college football, it'll be
weird. People will mock it, but hey, it's getting attention. It's a standalone opportunity in those matter. I mean, heck, that's how Louisville really built their brand in football is they were willing and actually wanting to play some standalone games on a Thursday or something like that because it got some eyeballs on them. So you know, the Big twelve is never going to be the number one conference in America. But again, I like this guy's attitude.
He he's given the Big twelve the cool factor. This guy used to work for Rock Nation, jay Z's company, and now he's running the Big twelve and it's led me to not even really realize how much. I mean, I've known that they took a big hit and they're not going to be able to replace what they had with Oklahoma and Texas as far as just brand value and just I mean, those are two humongous fan bases with humongous brands that have value. Right, That's why the SEC was a no brainer for
them. Right, So you know the Big twelve, I mean, who's their best team this year? Maybe Kansas State, Oklahoma State, I don't know. So, Like, the league's clearly not what it once was, but they're doing innovative things and they're keeping their name out there, and that's better than just bragging about or not bragging, but like telling people to not worry about the ACC because we're in third place. We're we're we're the third
highest you know, profitable conference in the country. Only two more leagues share more revenue than we do to members, Like, okay, like you brag it about that, there's only four that actually really are in that tier of college athletics. I don't know, man, Like part of me feels like I just hammer on this guy way too much, meaning Jim Phillips because he did inherit this deal, like the deal was already done by Swafford. But anytime I hear him talk, I get less. I feel less confident about
the future of the ACC. And I think because everybody's aware of the situation, Like it hasn't been a big talking point, and it's really a lot of legal jargon that you know, a lot of people, including myself, have no understanding of. But think about this. You got the two best members, two most valuable members of your conference suing the league, and the league counter suing them. Like things aren't fine in the ACC. I mean, there's nothing you can do about it if you're a fan, But like,
let's be real with ourselves. The ACC is only it's the And again, this is something I've said a handful of times recently. Why not say it once more considering we're talking about it. What eventually I think will kill the ACC is actually the only thing that has a chance of keeping it together at this point, and that is the grant of rights deal. Because you're locked in till twenty thirty four, and as of now you're locked in, you can't get out. So anyway, shout out to the Big twelve.
I mean, I've never really thought about what life would be like as a Louisville fan if Louisville was in the Big Twelve, because I just don't think it's realistic that they're going to end up there, at least not anytime soon. But you'd still have a really good basketball league. You'd reconnect with some old rivals in Cincinnati in West Virginia, but they're not a rival anymore.
Cincinnati, that's right, Yeah, yeah, that's right. There'd have to be something done for them to kind of, you know, like get that going, you know what I mean, Like I can't fake hatred that's no longer there because I'm forever grateful for them taking Scott Satterfield off our hands and paying us millions of dollars. But as far as basketball, I mean, that league's already really good. I mean, even before their recent expansion where
they added Arizona and Arizona State and Colorado. Again those aren't I mean, Arizona's great, but the other programs aren't. But still like they've got in basketball, I mean, it's been viewed as one of the best, if not the best league in college basketball in recent years, and I know sometimes it's a little bit of a stretch because I think they did manipulate some of the numbers. But either way, like it's it's a good league, a
really good league in basketball and in football. You know, it's still one of the four the power for and I mean I think the same can be said about the ACC because right now, like I don't feel like there's a team currently in the league that you feel like, man, they're just a jugger, not there's nothing you can do, no matter how you could have your best season ever and you're not beating them, which maybe that is the case with a team like Clemson, but like again they've fallen off, like
you can beat them now. They're still gonna be top tier in this league as long as they're in it. But but they're not. They're not the big Bully, I don't think anymore. I mean, I say that knowing Louisville's never beat them. But one of the things I was about to say about what would make the Big Twelve attractive is that you're playing teams you know of right, It's not as if you're playing a bunch of you know,
nobodies. But there's also not the juggernaut that you know that's gonna win the league ninety percent of the time, Like you could realistically win your conference there. But again, Louisville was in the conference championship game last year, so that can still happen. And by the way, I rarely get it. But sometimes on the text line, I get a few people that like, have you know, ACC loyalty and they love the league And I don't know why. Maybe it's just because hey, it's the league we're in, and
let's support it. Because you're right, the better off the ACC is, the better off it is for everybody involved, including Louisville. But like, I don't have any allegiance to the league. I don't have like I'm not out here, like I don't. I don't root for ACC teams because they're in the ACC. I just you know, I've never really cared. All right Again, for those who don't know, we are fueled by though, make sure you stop in and actually you can do it on your phone.
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big, big game changer for you. All right. So, do you remember when we talked about the uh Chipoltle controversy where people were going in and ordering at Chipotle and holding their phones up thinking, oh yeah, recording seeing how much food they would put on the so uh there was actually a memo sent to all employees that if somebody is holding their phone videoing, don't be stingy on making sure they get a good sized portion and like the minimum,
you know, don't don't don't stiff them. And to me, that was just wild, but like that was an effective strategy. It was almost like it, I've never have you ever. I've never eaten there. I don't know, I've never been I've never eaten a Chipotle. It's got to be like a mos or a It's kind of like, what's the other big one. It's Quidoba? Yeah, is it something like that? Yeah, it's stubwlay style in the sense that you you know, you see them make the
food in front of you as you go down the line. That type of thing. Yeah, I've never I've never had it, but it's certainly popular. But it felt like, you know, customers, the common man was sticking it to this big food corporation, you know, like getting you know, hey, you want to stiff me all out you on the internet that you guys are not holding up your end and giving us small portion size is while the prices are skyrocketing. So that apparently, and by the way,
he became a national story. And this guy who I got it, this is a Wells Fargo analyst in New York. He put them to the test because after this happened, the who was it? The CEO of Chipotle said this quote, the portions have not gotten smaller. We always want to give people big portions. They get them excited about the food. So he's saying that they've not gotten smaller, denied it and acted like, hey, move
along, nothing the sea here. So this Wells Fargo analyst ordered seventy five identical Chipotle bulls to test out the CEO's statement that portion sizes have not gotten smaller, and the results confirmed that the CEO is a liar. So, first of all, this guy Wells Fargo analyst, that just sounds like a very important position. You got more time on your hands than I anticipated. But then again, if you're an analyst, I guess you are analyzing here,
right. So the median weight of the bulls of the seventy five was twenty one point five ounces. Some locations offered the ball at a hefty twenty seven ounces, while others came in at fourteen ounces, all from the same menu, prepared in the same way. So how is it possible that one order can be two times the weight of the exact same order? Like this is They're not the only company that you know, Like Burgers, it's pretty self explanatory, right, you pay for a burger, you get a burger.
For double cheeseburger, you get two of them on the burger. So like the one that sometimes like a taco at Taco Bell, Like sometimes I feel like, damn, they gave me a like a that's a thick taco. It sounded dirty for some reason. But sometimes I'm like, you didn't put anything on this. There's more cheese than there is anything. And then at Arby's. I don't ever eat Arby's, but when I do, it's good, and I love Arby's. It's just it doesn't love me back,
if you know what I'm saying. I end up having to go to the bathroom quite a bit after I eat at Arby's. But the food's delicious. It's a it's a me thing, not a you thing, I would imagine, but nonetheless like same thing if I get a beef and cheddar. Sometimes, you know, I feel like they gave me the short end of the
sticks. Sometimes I feel like they really hooked me up. And then sometimes I take the bun off and realize, hey, I just got to rearrange this a little bit to even it out, then we're gonna be good. So there's got to be some type of quality control process for these kind of companies to where they don't do this and this is the kind of thing why, Like, remember we talked about the robot workers for for I don't know
if it was McDonald's locations or something like that. I don't feel like McDonald's would be the perfect way to test this, and honestly, I don't want to see it happen regardless. But if you want to perfectly portion your your you know, your your meals for whoever the customers are, the only way to do that is to streamline the process, and I feel like it usually entails, you know, not having a human make the food for you. There's there's no doubt about that. And that's kind of a sad thing to
think about. It is. But at the end of the day, like I mean, I don't know. Me again, I'm not endorsing that. It just seems like that's the only solution for that to actually be that consistent. I'm not endorsing it either, but I'm with you. I think it is the only solution. And you know, like I don't know, I
don't want to say something insensitive because I know some people. I know of some people who like their entire career they worked in fast food and they moved up the ladder and they became you know, managers and you know, manage different you know, multiple locations, that kind of stuff. So like, I don't want to act as if that's but I just feel like that that's that's one of the jobs that was eliminated. It would not be the worst thing ever but then again, you know, I think you're spot on that.
In order for it to be like, it to be a precise, inconsistent thing as far as what you're getting when you order it, you're going to either implement technology and maybe the technology already exists, they're just not following it. But there's some technology something there to where you can weigh it and like you're you know, you're doing it that way, or you know, you have a robot that does it and it's you know, streamlined, and
it's quick and it's consistent. And yeah, I mean again looking back at the looking back at this this breakdown here, I mean, think of the difference in these two. I mean, it's the same thing. You order the bowl and one of them is twenty seven ounces, in the other one is fourteen. Like that's that is it's for the same thing price the same way. It's crazy. Yeah, that's that's that's wrong. Yeah, I
mean, are there any other places I can think of? Like I guess, I mean, you could put Subway in that category if they don't, but isn't it usually was? And I haven't had Subway in a long time, but I feel like I don't know, I guess like if you've got I never liked to look at the tuna that was there because it grows me out, and I never got tuna. But like, I'm weird about food like that. I don't like watching I don't like watching people make my food.
Not because I think that they're they're dirty. They were usually wearing gloves and it's super sanitary. It's not. It's not the people. It's just I don't really like watching my food be made by anybody. I'm just I'm weird like that. But when I would watch, you know, when I would see people. I used to go to subway probably like twice a week before I you know, many years ago, whenever. It was one of the only In fact, when I first got hired at iHeart that was like
the closest thing to us at the old place. I mean, where did you go to lunch whenever you would or whenever, I mean, if you ever leave the old les never time over at the whole building, I don't think. So when I would go to work every day over there, initially, I would, you know, when I was on in the mornings or if I was on in middays, like I would either go get lunch at eleven or something, or I would, you know, in the morning, if I was going on at noon in the closest place to us the subway,
and I'd go there pretty often. And like if you're getting like a turkey club or you know, like this the lunch meet, like I think it's pretty consistent. They just know to pick up this many slices of it and that's and that's it. But then when it comes to like the tuna or maybe something I'm trying to think of, there's other like like a chicken taraioki, Like I'm sure there's like one scoop or two scoops. They just
assume that that's all kind of the same kind of the same size. But yeah, when it comes to like meat that is there in those whatever you you know at places like Kidova, Chipotle and all that, Like it really is just that one person just kind of guessing, right because they're making it in front of you. They don't have like something in their brain that's telling them how much this weighs and whatnot. It's just and if they're they're checked
out for the they may not be giving you the best portions. Yeah, and then like and nobody wants to be that guy, but like I get what people are that guy. What I mean by that is like, hey, can you not put a little more on there, like why you know, Like I don't know, I don't know what the fix is, but that ain't a good look for Chipotle. And if some random dude does it,
I mean it's still legit. But if the fact that a Wells Fargo analyst to tried or do they put together like a project here to really hold the CEO accountable, like shout out to them, I think it's gonna get even more attention because of the you know, these are analysts, all right, quick break will come back. Keep this thing rolling along. It's coffee
and company feel. But Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety so. Every year the ACC network does a takeover day for the members of the conference, and Louisville's takeover day is tomorrow, and I do love that they did not include men's basketball, which is not a surprise. But yeah, they've got looks
like baseball versus c State. That'll be at noon, and then the ACC Traditions, which is like a little thirty minute show just about you know, an inside look at ul athletics field hockey at three point thirty and football the Louisville Miami game, which was a good one by the way, that'll be on at five am tomorrow morning if you want to watch it. Softball will follow that, Lacrosse, then baseball again, women's basketball at three, volleyball, which is right now, I would say the top as we speak.
It's the best team sport over there at UL on Floyd Street. Shout out to Danny Busboom Kelly. And then another football game Louisville against Notre Dame at seven o'clock tomorrow, and then at ten pm you can watch Louisville women's basketball take on Kentucky. So two women's basketball games and two football games, two baseball games and not a men's basketball game, so not a surprise. But yeah, I mean, like if U of L has any say so on what is put on, which I don't know you think they do, John,
I feel like they may have some yeah, maybe some influence. Are they only taking games from this past season? It sounds like, yeah, they just just basically kind of year and review kind of thing. That makes sense. But if they were going to do men's basketball, like what I mean Louiva did if you remember they did, they did mess around and win a you know what, they win eight games this past year. Yes,
yeah, so what if they just played Pat Kelsey's introductory pressos. That would be I mean, that would be I mean, that would be better than anything from the Kenny Paane era. But it may not just be because Louisville doesn't have many games to pull from. Because, to be honest with you, when they beat Miami at Miami that at the time, I don't think
we realized that Miami was gonna end up being that bad. But like that was a like that was the first time and that was the only road wind that Kenny had, right, and then the other wins came against who They beat Georgia Tech at home, they beat Florida State at home, and there's I think it might have one other acc win. Maybe either way, we don't need to talk about that. That disastrous to your era. But I would imagine that if you fire a coach, they're probably not going to show
his games when there's a new coach in place. On this day where you're really I mean, what this is is it's an infomercial for U of L. That's what this day is, right, each each league member gets a day where you know, from from you know, from start to finish in that in that in that day from midnight until ten pm. The next to ten pm, I guess technically that same day it is your athletic programs being
featured in a game that was memorable from that season. And yeah, I mean I would think even if Louisville went like thirteen and whatever and actually had a couple of ranked road winds or a couple of ranked wins and you still moved on from Kenny, they probably still wouldn't show it because somebody had somebody sent this on the text line like do you think this is a direct shot at Kenny Payne? And I really don't think it is, to be honest
with you, because here's the thing. If you air those games, any of them, all you're going to do is have people on Twitter, tagging ACC Network or whoever it might be, saying why are you showing this? And it's sure and deal with that. That's true. I mean I wouldn't want to deal with that either. All right, So, recruiting rankings are still referenced in the world of college sports. From the Super fans right, Like, the portal has certainly become the quick fix to reload your roster and
get better, make a big splash. You're bringing in at times guys who have proven to be really, really good, and now they're coming to your program. You don't have to develop them. They're ready to go. It's more just about getting acclimated or can they play at the same high level now that they're elevating up to a better league. Like coaches, I would imagine are always going to evaluate young high school talent in every sport. But I'd
be shocked if you know. I mean, it's already It's already the case now, Like if you are like not every program, by the way, is loading up in the portal with twenty players every year in football or six or seven in basketball. But I would say that in a few years, the new additions to your roster, it'll still be more transfers than it is freshman. I just think that's I think that's going to be the new norm, and it's kind of already happening. The only program that's a relevant program
is Clemson that is not adjusting. But anyways, the reason I bring it up is because I think You can be a Louisville or even in Kentucky, and your high school recruiting class can be in the thirties or forty and if you do well in the portal, you can still look at your you can still look at the upcoming season and feel like, Okay, we're in a good spot here, because I just don't think you're not going to bring in as many of them. There's not as much of a necessity to develop guys.
I mean, you always want to develop players, you have no doubt about it. But again, the game has changed, so this may not be worth referencing in a few years, but I think it's still worth getting into now. So this is a great breakdown of the relationship between recruiting and winning in college football from twenty fourteen to twenty and thirteen. So keep in mind, you know, the portal didn't really take off until what twenty twenty
two. I feel like the first season. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe's twenty twenty one, but I feel like the first season of college football and basketball where like ever like, the portal is filled with thousands of players and you can you know, you don't have to wait on a waiver. You don't have to you know, get approval. I mean, if you remember, you used to have to get if you were transferring. You know, the schools that would release you to transfer used to be able to limit where you
could go. Like that's crazy that that was a thing, and now it's like a free for all, which is unfornately as chaotic as it is. I'm telling you that's the way that that that's fair, that's the way it should be. But either way, you know, a good chunk of this from that time frame twenty five fourteen to twenty thirteen was still in the world where you didn't have the ability to go add twenty players that are proven college football players like you can now. So there are four different tiers here,
and this is a really good graphic. I'm gonna I think I'm gonna retweet it in just a second here, but it came out over the weekend and it shows the win total on the left, which you know goes from one to thirteen, and then it has your your recruiting rankings, you know, one to ten to twenty to thirty to forty to fifty, to sixty to seventy and there are four programs that fall in this category elite with elite talent Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and Clemson no surprise, right, like
their average win total. I mean Alabama's average win total in that time frame as thirteen wins or just it's like twelve point eight or something, and Clemson's just under twelve and in Ohio State and Georgia at eleven and a half. So that is I mean, you are you bring in elite talent and you win at an elite level. I mean that is truly in that window.
Again, things have certainly changed, but in that window, those were the most dominant teams because you had some programs that had a flash of real like high level success. I mean LSU won a national championship with Joe Burrow. But like in that ten year window, they had years where they weren't very good. So there's only that's the smallest group that exists as far as winning with elite talent, elite results with elite talent, the biggest window is lose
with more talent. So you know, for example, there are it looks like yeah, here we go Tennessee, Miami, Auburn, Florida, Texas, Texas A and m USC and Florida State, they've all been right around. First of all, they've all been in that in that their average recruiting class ranking and that ten year window was fifteen or better. So in a ten year window, they the average was fifteen or better. In fact, A and M was in the top was in the top ten, Texas was
in the top ten. It looks like Auburn and Florida were right there at ten. Florida State was right around there as well. So those are schools that lose, lose with more talent, like they bring in talent, but there when like they it doesn't equal out. I was surprised Nebraska wasn't in that group. Nebraska is in the group, but they're in the they're on they're on the lower side of it, like they're their recruiting rankings are not close to top ten, they're closer to top twenty. That makes sense.
So again that's the biggest I haven't even gotten to half of that big the huge pool that I'm referencing here is but those are the ones that are legitimately top fifteen every year in recruiting in that window of time, and they never averaged more than eight wins, which eight wins is not I mean, eight wins is not a bad season for most. But again, if you're bringing in top ten to top fifteen talent every year, you should you should have
to war your averages. I think it's closer to ten because you would want in a ten year window, one or two years to be where you are getting close to eleven wins. Right, maybe that's the year you break through. So Ole, miss their average ranking was twenty, their average wind total
in that time was seven. And then you've got Nebraska, Arkansas, South Carolina, UCLA, Stanford, North Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi State, and Michigan State where Kentucky slightly about Kentucky's average wind total was seven and their average
recruiting ranking was just under thirty. So again I'll give them a little bit of credit or not credit, but I'll give him at a little bit of a pass here because I actually think, you know, as much as they at times don't schedule toughly or they don't schedule tough in the non conference, and you know, sometimes they've been able to put a seven and five or even a ten and three record together and unfortunately they just didn't end up playing
anybody that was having a good season. I mean, those two win seasons are special for Kentucky. I'm not trying to knock them, but my point is this, Like, you know, they're they can be a top thirty recruiting class every year, which I think would be pretty good for them. But think about where they rank in their own conference. I mean they're probably still what like fifth to last or something like. That's just because that's that's
life in the SEC. So those are the schools I think that look the worst here because it's not only do you not have like again, you're not winning an average of four or five games, but you know you are. You are bringing in elite talent and there's not a lot to show for it. Yeah, Nebraska, their their average recruiting ranking was twenty five in that ten year window, john and their average win their average wins per season was
five. So like in surprise, Yeah, that's that's pretty bad. So you have the other group that is a small group that is win with less talent, where you've got a high level of wins per season, but your recruiting rankings aren't great. So shout out to these schools. These are the true programs that are doing more with less. Wisconsin, Oklahoma State, Utah,
and Iowa. They all have an They had an average win total between eight point seven and nine point one and they never had a recruit Their recruiting rankings were never near the never near the top thirty. Like for example, Iowa has averaged non wins per season in that ten year window, and their recruiting rankings were typically between forty five and fifty. Like that's crazy. I think it's more based off the style of play in what they do. Yeah,
but very different. They usually win, you know what I mean. They're boring and they know how to win that style of football and especially the Big Ten West, Like that's really all. They were known for. Different style of football compared to the rest of the country. So another I think you know notable team here is Kansas State. They don't like their average recruiting ranking is between fifty five and sixty and they haven't won anything. Crazy,
but in that ten year window they averaged seven and a half wins. That's again that's doing more with less. So Louisville and a handful of other schools fall in the middle here to where your average recruiting ranking was around between thirty five and forty and your average wind total was at seven. You're not in the sweet spot of you lose with more talent, but you're also not in it to where you're really overachieving. You're closer to overachieving than underachieving, but
you're kind of in the middle there. And that's Missouri, Virginia Tech, Louisville, West Virginia, Baylor in Pittsburgh. Did I say anc State? They're in there too. So then you have the bad with lesser talent, and these are schools that recruit really really poorly and they don't win. And that's Kansas, Vandy, Rutgers, Purdue, Illinois, and Syracuse. And
because of the window of time here, Colorado's actually included there too. So the Indianas of the world, they I was, they fall not They're not quite as bad, you know what I'm saying, Like their win total is kind of on par in that ten year window with those other schools that US
mentioned. But you know, like for example, Indiana's average wind total was around five, their average recruiting ranking was around forty five to fifty, So they're in the class with cal Georgia Tech, Arizona Virginia and IU, So
I don't know, I just thought that was interesting. Again, it probably won't meet as much down the line because you can have teams that have a recruiting class ranked forty fifth, but they might be elite because they didn't recruit a big class for two years because the portal it made it to where they didn't need to do it. And this will always be like, it's going
to be completely like rankings are going to matter. You always need to be bringing in young talent and you can develop and hope that they stick around and give you great success. But you know, at the end of the day, like it's just not as it's not as important anymore. I mean there's there's now two ways to do it, and I think you're going to still see both being actively used as far as how you build your roster. But
again, the portal makes it easier, man, it just does. So the one real random here is is wake Forest their average win they're off by themselves. Their average win total was six in that ten year window, and the recruiting ranking is between sixty five and seventy. So I think that's you know, that's still on the side of doing less with more, but they didn't actually get to the level of you know, the other schools like an NC state or a Kansas State who won more games. All Right, I
just thought that was interesting. Let's get to a quick break. We'll come back on the other side, wrap up the four o'clock hour, keep the party going. It's coffee and company, and we are a few about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Usually this time of year, whenever you know, I'm not watching any live sports. I do watch a little summer league, but U and I'm gonna watch the TV T still excited about
that. But I usually really get lost in some shows and I'll try to watch, you know, I just try to stream different shows that get I mean, I'm really in I mean, I have way more than I need as far as the streaming services out there. But there's a show on Apple TV that my wife and I started and we are we're already caught up, which you know, it's it's new and Apple TV does the weekly release, which I hate. I mean, I still don't understand the benefit of doing
that. But you know, I'm sure there's clearly a reason why, because if you binge it in a day. You know, you may not come back for a month until there's something new there. If you're having to come back every week that keeps the engagement, then you know more, you know, more time spent on the app that is Apple TV. But it's it's really good. It's called Presumed Innocent and it's got Jake Gillenhall and I think the next episode comes out to Marow which I can't wait to binge it.
It's been a while since I've seen a show that has I mean, it's like a it's a who Done It? It's like the there's like five six different people within the show that you know could in fact be the one who committed a murder, And I like, a good who done it? John? So, I don't know if you're interested in that kind of what's last show you watched? It was New That was New Man probably the one I made you watch, right Beef? Yeah, and I only watched maybe three
or four episodes of that. I did watch Ted Lasso all the way through. That's New enough. I know that's TV, isn't it. Yes? Yeah? So yeah, if you're looking for something to watch, Presumed Innocent is really good. And then I'm probably gonna give this a shot because I this is my cup of tea. But you know, I didn't watch the
Quarterback one. So Netflix did a show that was just called Quarterback, and it featured Patrick Mahomes off the field, all these quarterbacks, I mean, just follow them, you know, just a documentary about three NFL quarterbacks. One was Mahomes, one was Kirk Cousins, and the other was randomly was Marcus Mariota or maybe I think it was Mark Marcus Mariota, but either way, it was really well done according to everybody who watched it. It got
great reviews. A lot of people kept telling me to watch it, and I just never did. And it's it's kind of like why I've never really been able to get into Hard Knocks. Like those shows are clearly very popular and successful. People watch them, and they've been making hard knocks forever, But like, I'm not that interested in behind the scenes stuff in the NFL. It doesn't bother me. It's just not really my interest, you know
what I mean. Like those guys are famous celebrities, Like I'm not really that interested in their lifestyle, although you know, maybe some of them have stored like apparently Kirk Cousins went from being this guy that people just made fun of because he get makes a lot of money, never wins when it matters, has never really showed a lot of personality as a player, at least
not compared to some of the other quarterbacks. But apparently seeing him like at home with his family and he made him more relatable And I feel like he became a more popular guy within the NFL because of that show. So they're doing a receiver one now that actually comes out I think tomorrow, so I may give that a shot. Those guys have a little bit more flair to them, Like I feel like you may get some better stuff with those guys than you got with the quarterback. But either way, both are both.
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