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know if any of those are great, John. I mean, I it'd be better if I just put out a you know, a full list of things we're going to discuss. But I've actually I take the stance that that actually doesn't drive a whole lot of people to tune in. You know, I think you would would hope that people will be curious. Hey, I wonder what they're going to discuss today. I wonder what opinion they'll share about
this and that. So sometimes I wonder if it's even worth sending out the tweet, right, I mean, it can't hurt, right, John, Yeah, that's a good point, especially if you just if people aren't thinking about it and they come across your timeline, like, you know what, let's tune in things out. I really wish we were able to pull off the live stream like we did for what we had a few weeks there,
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by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety nit coffee. That is me, the company man, mister John Alden alongside today on a beautiful Monday, a little warm for my liking, but you know, the sun is shining. And I told John before the show started today that this week is the Hillview Fair, which for those who don't know about the Hillview Fair, I can't really put. I can't nothing I could say could really give you a true feel for what the experience is like. And yes, I can make fun
of the Hillview Fair because I'm from Hellview, That's right. I ain't first class, but I ain't white trash, you know what I'm saying. That's just that's those are my people and it's the ultimate people watching spot. But I do believe that the time is run out here like this this. Uh,
I wouldn't call it a prank. But my kids, you know, they they've never been to Disney. My daughter, she's special needs, so you know, she's she's she knows what it is, but it's not something she's always she hears her friends talk about it or people that she knows, and you know, she's not one to say, oh, I want to go. My son a little bit different, but he's you know, he's
always been young and now he's getting old. He's four now. But we we would take the kids to the Hillvy Fair and we wouldn't like, you know, really manipulate them, but like when they would ask about Disney, or they'd hear about Disney, and they'd want to know, like, you know, hey, my cousins or my friends from daycare, they went to Disney. Have I been to Disney, Daddy? And I'm like, oh, yeah, don't you remember you rode the you rode the ferris wheel that
was put together with duct tape? Remember that weird guy, that Carney who you know, I had to make sure, you know, he wasn't doing some funny stuff over like, yeah, yeah, that was Disney. It was great. Oh yeah, it was fun. Well, I you know, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to get away with that anymore. I think this will be the test, John, if we take the kids to the Hilly Fair and try to say something about it being Disney. I think both will probably be like, all right, it's up, like
the jigs up. Yeah, it's up. Like there's especially knowing now while we are, you know, if we go, which I'm sure we will at some point. There cousins, my brother in law and his wife and kids. They're at Disney right now. So anyways, if you ever wanted to really take in a great I mean, I guess you call it an event where people watching is top tier. The Hillview Fair is exactly that,
you'd be a good case study. I'd love to whenever you even take your kids down to Disney, I'm curious how you would be in that scenario. Oh man, it's going as adults like I did, me and my wife and some friends, that's one thing, But taking your kids down that's a whole other experience. I've always said that there's just no reason we would ever do it, because my wife and I've been on the same page that the cost and just the hassle it would just make it to where like, is
it really worth it? We can do other great things with our kids where they're gonna have fun, But as they've gotten older and they still haven't gone, and a lot of people they know have gone. It's made me think, okay, well maybe maybe we should look into doing it, and we haven't yet. But it used to be, oh, hell no, you all have fun, because I swear I used to hear from everybody who went to Disney with their kids that, yeah, man, it was it was
two things. The kids loved it, you should have seen the look on their face and then but it was also hell and I never want to go back like that. That's what a lot of parents would would tell me. I'm sure some parents see it, you know, view it differently and look at it as a great experience and they go every single year. But when we did Disney on Ice, we did that a couple of times at the Young Center, and obviously all the Disney characters that you would see at Disney
World are there and their ice scared and they're singing and performing. Seeing how excited my kids were, especially my daughter, to see like Elsa and whatnot like that made it to Okay, if that reaction, that emotion from her is what it's gonna be while we're there, then you know we need to go. Because that would be a lot of fun. But here's what I do know. I'm not the one who makes plans. I'm not the one
who makes arrangements. So like it's only gonna happen if the wife just decides to get a wild hair and say we're going to Disney, and I would tell you that I believe she's probably more anti Disney than me. That's that's interesting. Yeah, well we do share the same thoughts on like big like me, Disney to me just seems like extravagant as far as the amount of people like it, you know, just crowded. You all need to go during the lines, Yeah, like, which sucks. The off season really
is prime sports season. Yeah, there's really no reason to go at that point. Yeah, but I mean if it's just a day, I could maybe pull something off. But yeah, yeah, anyways, let's uh, let's get started here with what I think are the two most talked about things right now. One is on the local side among Louisville fans, and the other I think is what is the most talked about thing nationally right now in sports that everybody seems to have an opinion on. We'll start with the Louisville
side. And I don't want to act as if this has been the conversation all weekend among the Louisville fans everywhere, because that's I'm sure not the case. But we talked on Friday about the Coleman Hawkins recruitment in Louisville. As we know, a few weeks ago before they landed what three more bigs, Noah Waterman, Case and Big Frank. I mean they were talking to Colemanhawkins involved. I think that's the exact word Trilli Donovan used to describe their interest
or whatnot. And then he sent out the tweet last week then deleted it, which again at that point, it was okay, is this guy just trying to potentially get fans riled up about the thought of him playing for them? Is he trying to insinuate Louisville is involved to maybe get more money from
other schools that are pursuing him. And you know, I don't know, but I think on Friday I mentioned they do have the ability to add another player if they want, And what I mean by that is, I don't know what the exact plan is, but thirteen scholarships have been have been used, but they can I don't know how they're going to do it, but they know and that's all that matters. They're going to be able to add
somebody if they want. In fact, there's actually still recruiting an unsigned high school kid too, so you know, if they can make it work, hell yeah. But I remember thinking on Friday, I think I might have said this. By Monday, we'll kind of get a feel for is this real or not? Right? Was he just kind of trolling us and seeing if Louisville would maybe get back involved, if he could get the fan base
fired up, and you know, do they have enough money? There's some people that have mentioned that the players that have committed to Louisville that are not US citizens, you know, they're INNIL is a little bit different, right, Like you can't they can't make NIL money the way others can. If you remember that was a situation with Oscar sheib Way. Those guys are probably still going to get paid, but I think even some of them, in fact, one of them for sure. And I'll stand corrected if I'm told
this is not the case by somebody that would know more than me. But I think Khalifa will not be getting INIL money. While he doesn't play because he's rehabbing his knee. And same thing for Kobe who transferred from Charleston.
He's not going to play next year. He's a Canadian citizen. So like if they got to do a workaround to get money to those guys through nil, or maybe they get to wait a year to pay them through nil because they're not going to play this year, that does leave you money that you could potentially go use and get a good player. And also I have a feeling with the momentum that Pat Kelsey has right now, not only with fans, but with those that you know are able to throw some money here and
there to help out. Like if someone knew, hey, we need this to make it work to get this guy, you think he can help out. I think he would not have a difficult time finding somebody that would in fact help out. So I was hopeful, but I didn't want to buy on Friday. I didn't want to get my hopes up and really think this was something to follow closely and consider to be like a real thing. Well then Friday night, Pat Kelsey on Twitter did something that I don't think is
an issue at all. I don't you know, I don't really get it. But on Friday, let's see what time it was. I felt like it was no, it was. I thought it was later than it was. It was eight forty six. He sent out a tweet that said, Joker in the Thief if you know you know, and then he said the
revived. He said the revival and then the fire emoji. And for those who don't know, Joker in the Thief is the song that is played I think right before the last TV timeout in the second half at the Young Center, and it gets I mean, it gets the crowd rocking like no other song they play, you know. I remember players that have played here before, I know, Montrez Harrell and even Donovan Mitchell have at times randomly brought up like man, when that song would come on at the YOUM Center,
it would be rocking, which is true. So a lot of fans, I guess, saw that and thought it was him given one of his signals. Because coaches do that. Now, by the way, I don't know if every coach does it, but a lot of coaches it'll maybe maybe it's an assistant or maybe it's your head coach that'll send out some kind of cryptic you know, maybe it's not cryptic. Maybe it's just the sign. Right. I can't until they sign a letter or become, you know, officially
part of the program, I can't actually publicly comment on him. So let me just give you the hint that we got somebody and sometimes you know exactly who it is, right, if somebody's visited that kind of stuff. So Pat Kelsey, though he's he's been consistent. He's been tweeting out the Zach Bryan revival link on Apple Music, and that is that has been his sign. You know, there's a Kentucky assistant coach for Mark Pope. I think
that does something like a boom. And to be honest, I think I don't know if he was the first one, but I think it was Vince Merrow doing yachtzi for Kentucky football. That that's been around for a long time. I'm not sure if they still do that or not. But like, this is not that uncommon, but a lot of fans saw that and thought that that meant something along the lines of Coleman Hawkins, like it's happening everybody
beyond standby, he's about to commit. And I didn't see it that way at all, And I'm surprised that there were that many that felt like he was misleading us. And there's some then look right now understandably. So my man Pat Kelsey can do no wrong. I mean, this is the honeymoon and he can't coach a game. All he can do is try to get the fans excited about this new era and put together a roster, and he's
done both of those things almost perfectly at this point. I think, not to say that he has a perfect team, but I mean all things, consider thirteen new players, considering who he's added, I mean, Louis was going to be preseason, not top twenty five probably, but around there. And that's that's credit to him. So I don't think fans are like upset, but some of them are like, welly, we gotta he can't. He can't do that to us, Like he's got to know. Man,
we take this stuff so seriously. We are lunatics. We are crazy. Any kind of little signal could get us getting our hopes up about something. And although that may be true, like that's an that's that's an US thing. And I guess you all think. I mean again, I'm I'm a fan like all of you but I didn't see that and think that meant anything, and a lot of people did so. I don't know if there's any scenario where Coleman Hawkins ends up here. In fact, I haven't heard a
whole lot about his recruitment over the week. Now, again, I wasn't following it as closely as others. I didn't spend much time in the truly got them in discord. You know, I had a you know, I had a weekend with my kid's birthday, and you know, now, I don't try not to go looking for that kind of stuff, you know, until you know it's time to actually, you know, get caught up in that kind of stuff. And right now, you know, I don't.
I don't really know where Coleman Hawkins is going to visit, where he's considering. But I'll say what I said last week. If they can make it work, that would be humongous. I think that's actually the kind of addition that would give you. I mean, you already have a good roster that I like, that I think is a tournament caliber roster. I believe that. I think this is a tournament caliber team. But if you added Coleman Hawkins, it would take it to where you feel even more so like,
yeah, we better make the tournament. But also I think nationally folks would say, okay, on paper, maybe I do have Louisville pencil in here at number twenty one or something like that, because again you're talking about I mean, I think what I love some of these dudes that like nobody seems to talk about. Meaning I think Cater trejoa at Long Beach State, is going to be a really high impact guy that will be a fan favorite.
I think Javon Hadley has quietly kind of just been I've been forgotten about, but like he was a really good player at Colorado and can do a little bit of everything. You know, Rain Smith, we didn't watch him play because you know, he played at Charleston. They weren't always on television, but he's a lights out shooter Reno, which by the way, a great nickname that I I don't know if Pat Kelsey gave him that or not. But anyways, like I really like a lot of these guys on this roster.
I mean, case in Pryor, I think he could be I mean, he could be an NBA player, I think at some point. But I think as far as like, and some will say this doesn't matter, right because we'll find out how good they are once they play. But if you're somebody that is really wanting there to be some more love nationally, not just people saying, wow, Pat Kelsey's off to a pretty good start.
I like what he's done with his roster. But people saying, Okay, this Louisville team, they might be a top four ACC team, they might be a top three ACC team. I think the addition of somebody like Coleman Hawkins would turn the conversation to that. And you know, even if they you know, conversation aside, I don't care if anybody talked about it. If you could add Coleman Hawkins, he's a good enough player that you would, you would do it. I just have no clue if it's like even
being looked into. But for what it's worth, it it's not a situation where they're worried about making room because there's also again, there's a kid named Jamari Phillips who is a twenty twenty four kid, meaning he's going to be a a a freshman this upcoming season. He is available. He opened his recruitment, was committed to Arizona in Louisville, along with Arizona State, Kansas, Florida BYU Oregon. I mean, those are schools that are recruiting him.
So Louisville like the fact that they're still reaching out to players that are available and there aren't that many left. It tells you that they're not worried about room, like they'll add somebody if they can make it happen. And I mean if that's Coleman Hawkins, then hell yeah, I really hope that they could make that work. Now will it happen? No clue? I mean, does Woodson have anything like that? John for those who don't know, John is our Iu, who's your correspondent covers Indiana. Like, is
Woodson even active on Twitter? Yas he has a Twitter? And it's weird. It's like at Mike Woodson NBA. So he still has his old handle from when he was in the NBA, but he's not very active. I don't think he has like a signal similar to many other coaches. And I think it's cool because again, anything to get your fan base excited, engaging with your fans, I think I've always known that that matters. But excuse me, I'm not getting emotional. I had to fight off a burp there.
It's always mattered, but like I learned how much we needed and how much it's important. Whenever we had a coach here that didn't do it at all, and that was Kenny Paine. Maybe it was an emotion thing. Anytime I start talking about him, I just get PTSD and want to cry because of how you know, how bad that was. But you know, we'll see again. I wish I could give you more information, but I don't have more information. So I was wrong. I thought about Monday,
we know, hey, is this real or not? And I don't, you know, maybe maybe it has been debunked and it's not happening and I just don't know that. But we shall see, all right. So something else we're not going to get into right now that I think is I think it's safe to say the most talked about thing nationally in sports right now, national shows that are on television, the Roundtable shows, First Take Around the Horn. We'll talk about it later. Pat McAfee he made I mean,
he really got some attention on his show talking about it earlier. Today. It's the Caitlin Clark WNBA stuff like it's all anybody's talk about Becau. Everybody seem I have a strong opinion on it, and I do too, and I'm not gonna tease the rest of this show. Hey, everybody, stick around. We're gonna talk about the WNBA. You better lock in, you better cancel your plans the rest of the afternoon, folks, we're talking w NBA. And I don't mean to mock the WNBA, but like, let's
also not treat this for anything other than what it is. Kaylen Clark and how she's being treated in the WNBA has made the WNBA the talking point, maybe like it's never been before. And I don't think that's an exaggeration drama. It works. It's entertainment and there's certainly some drama here. So we'll get to that because I've got I've got, I think a surprising opinion for those who know how I feel about Kaylyn Clark and how I talked about Kaylen
Clark, and it's not me painting her as a victim. It's not like I've completely flipped it. And I now think she's this great, awesome human
being. I don't know, or she may be great, but I think Kaitlyn Clark made it quite clear that despite being one of the best basketball players of all time on the women's side, I mean, I don't think she carried herself very well, to be honest with you, So you know, I have no problem saying that, Like I don't think she's like clearly she's good for the game and she's brought so much attention to the women's game and that's important, but like, you know, I think she at times acted
like a turd out there. Can I say that? I mean, I know I can say it, but like when I say, like, you know, is that I mean? People know what I mean? Like I found okay because one of my kids, one of my kids was misbehaving last week and I wasn't angry. I just said, why are you being a turd? And one kid, who I didn't say it to, thought it was really funny that I said that word. My daughter she just thought it was funny because you know, she's she's silly. And then my son he
was appalled. You can't say that word. And I'm like, is that that a bad word? Like I'm glad he thinks that's a bad work. Is that'll make it to where he won't say anything close to it, but like I almost felt like a poor file like that. I just call my son something that like he thinks is you know, is he ever going to
forgive me? But I'll put it this way. She carries herself and behaves in a way on the floor at times to where I understand why people would think she's not the most likable person or player, and none that matters. She's so good that none of it matters. So we'll get into that. And we've got another long list of things to get to on a Monday. We usually are very busy when it comes to when it comes to Mondays, and I don't really feel like there's a lot to react to from the weekend.
But maybe I just went above and beyond to prepare for this show, because yes, you may not know it if you listen, but I do, in fact prepare. I've got a confession about the Big Twelve that I want to share at some point. We also have the anonymous quotes from other
coaches in college football about the local teams. I don't know if there has been one that's dropped yet about the other local teams, but we know what coaches are anonymous anonymous anonymously saying about Louisville, so we can certainly get into that. And I got a new documentary I want to share with you guys that I think I'm a little bit late to but it was really fascinating and I feel like I was on the right side as far as making a smart
decision about something. And I rarely can say that, you know, I do. I've done some dumb things, you know. I rely on other people to make important decisions at times, just because you know that's me. But Bitcoin, like I never thought bitcoin was in any way like a real thing that like was going to take off, and I didn't realize the level of like how much most of it was like a scam. I mean I
heard about like Tom Brady having that crypto company that you know crumbled. There's all kinds of, you know, stories about people who were arrested for defrauding
people with it. But really smart people that you know, have a lot of money to invest because they've probably done something smart to give themselves the opportunity to have a lot of money, if you know what I'm saying, Like, I just you know, the amount of people who just assumed that that was going to be the new way that we spend money, and we no longer use banks, Like I mean remember that Matt Damon commercial or was like
fortune, Oh yeah to Breeve. Yeah. I mean we're cringey you And we can get into this later because you were never a bitcoin crypnoba right now. But I do feel like your generation, like your era, like that's that's I know people or at least one person that that got invested in.
Yeah, like you know what I'm saying though, Like that was like kids, just so twenty seventeen ish, twenty eighteen ish, I think is when it really kind of started to grow and become a bigger thing that like, you know, it was clearly something everybody had heard of, even if you
didn't know a whole lot about it. And I still don't even really know what it is, to be honest with you, but like kids first out of college were all about it, and a lot of them, you know, wasted probably money that they got from their parents or grandparents to invest. And then some of them realized how much you could scan people. And you
know, that's a documentary I watched. It's about one of the I think it's called CenTra, one of the companies that you know crashed and burned Earned and the I mean just the gullible people that like throw money at stuff. I mean, I just it blows my mind. All right, We're with you till six o'clock, so hang out again more WNBA conversation the rest of
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We were talking about the Coleman Hawkins situation and said, it's tough to get bummed about something that you never really expect it. If Coleman Hawkins ends up at Louisville, that's great, but I'm not really going to think about it until it happens. That's a good way to look at it. I mean, you know, I'm not telling anybody not to. I mean, do whatever you want. But that was sort of my approach, is that,
hey, if they could make that work, that'd be awesome. But I have a tough time really knowing if it's that you know, if it's that realistic. But again, it does seem as if they are still looking at what's available and pursuing at least, you know, kicking the tires. I guess you can say on some of the players that are out there that are either still maybe available in the portal, like Hawkins or a freshman to be and that young man that I mentioned earlier, that they're at least you know,
they've talked to. I don't know if he's going to visit I know he's going to visit Oregon here soon. But Jiggy Phillips is what he goes by. But his name is Jamari Phillips. He's a four star guard who was committed Arizona and then recently decided to reopen his recruitment. All right, So I'm just going to assume that you know a lot of you aren't tuning
in to watch the WNBA. I mean, I'm not. And if you are, cool, but if you are, it's probably because Caitlin Clark is in the is in the WNBA now, and she's I mean, this is this is next level. The WNBA has never had a player enter their league with this much notoriety, this much hype. I mean, I don't know if there's ever been not to say she's the best women's player of all time,
because I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I mean, I wouldn't be shocked if she is, but I wouldn't be shocked if maybe, you know, there's plenty of others that would have a claim over her, And look, she just started her pro career. So regardless of what you think of hers, how as far as how good she is, she moves the needle unlike anybody I've ever seen a women's basketball and it's good for the sport, and
you know that has led to people wanting to watch. Now, you could also be someone like myself, who you know, I'm not anti WNBA, but I don't want to be a liar and phony. I act like I watched the product, didn't care about it because nothing personal. It's just I don't you know, I think some people are afraid to say that, Like the WNBA doesn't have a huge audience. I mean that's why the league is, you know, not amy. They don't make money. They cost a
lot of money. So I don't know if that'll ever be you know, flipped around to where they generate so much revenue. But you know, either way, like I'm one of many people that like sports, likes basketball, but I just don't tune in to watch the WNBA. But you're gonna hear and see what's going on with Kaitlyn Clark because of the level of buzz that she has created for herself. And I always felt like Caitlyn Clark was as good as advertised, never thought she was overrated, never thought she was you
know, getting all the calls. I mean, I'm sure she does get favorable calls, at least when she was in college. You know why, because she's a legendary player. Legendary players, legendary coaches have a little bit more leeway with officials than anybody else. That's just human nature. So I always thought she was great. But I also, you know, without knowing her at all, as far as what I see, I don't really like her. And when I say that, it's not as if I can say
she's an awful person because I don't know her, never will. But like the way she carries herself, the way she acts to some of her teammates, the way she has, you know, been mouthed to some of her coaches, she just doesn't to me, as far as a player, seem like she has a very likable attitude. And I know some are thinking, well, hey, would you say that about a guy. Yeah? Absolutely.
I mean it's one thing to be fiery, That's not what I'm talking about, because you know, she'll scream and she'll get emotional and into the game like anybody else. I mean, sometimes that can be cringy no matter who you are, but like that's part of it. It's an emotional game I'm talking about, you know, the flopping, the you know, theatrics with her body language when she when of her teammates didn't pass her a ball. You know, she's even had maybe not like cheap shots to where she's
out there trying to hurt somebody. But you know there's been some plays where you're like, Okay, that was kind of dirty. Does make her a criminal? Does really make her a lot different than a lot of players, But like you know, this is what I said during the Kaitlyn Clark the ending of her college career. She to me, as I mentioned, doesn't really carry herself in a way that makes her super likable with all the stuff
I just laid out. And if a guy was in that position, there would be there would be hate, Like I don't want to say they'd be a villain, but like there would be energy towards a dude doing that that really isn't there for a woman. And I don't think it's because it's a sexist thing. I think it's just because there's nobody else like Kaitlyn Clark that has brought that much attention to the sport, and it is a good thing for sports. It's a good thing for women's Basketball's a good thing for women
and nobody wants to be anti that, including myself. So you know, I've felt a certain way about her, Like I rooted against IOWA all the time, just because you know, I just wasn't a big fan. And I guess that's a weak, lame way for me to say I don't like her. Is that that's a really nice way to say, right, I mean, like a good counterexample is like people were root against the patriotscause they didn't like Tom Brady. Yeah, And look, sometimes when you're when you're
on top of the world, it becomes unfortunately. I think it's just how we are wired as humans. There's gonna be some that just worship you and jump on the bandwagon and worship and there's gonna be some that can't even really put her finger on why but they don't like you. They want to see you fall down a little bit like that. I don't know why we are
wired that way, but we are. So what I think is happening is that now that she's in the w NBA, maybe other I mean I got two theories here, others in the league maybe have seen the way she carries herself, and they want to they want to go out of their way to check her and kind of like put her in her place. I'm sure there's some of that, but I think the the real, like obvious thing to me as far as how nearly everybody in the WNBA is treating her. Now.
Not everybody's going out there trying to, you know, get in her face and cuss her out and push her and take a cheap shot. Not everybody's doing that, but clearly some of them, some players are. But even her teammates, they don't defend her at all at all. Her coach doesn't really take up for the wa The WAA commissioner like you gotta be careful
in that role. But I don't think it would have been a surprise or a bad move for the WNBA commissioner to acknowledge that it's not great for me any look, any attention they're getting as far as this, much of it is good for that league. I don't care what they say, but you know, you know you would want it to be because of the way your your employees in the WNBA are treating one of your new hires. Essentially like
that's not a good thing for optics. It's entertaining to some it gets people talking, and again there's value in that, but like nobody in the WNBA can like that that this is the reason why it's being discussed. So I don't think it would have been a surprise or a mistake to have some level
of like statement on the thing. It's the commission or maybe maybe see if you can get yourself on you know, what's the show in the morning, get up and and you know, pardon my pardon the interruption, first take whatever the show they got with the stephen A. Yeah, like you know, Colin Cowhert even like whoever, like you know, talk about it,
and you know, you are the mouthpiece for your league. You're the commissioner to where you could not only maybe talk this down a little bit and and make it not seem as bad if people are bothered by it, but also just promote your league on a platform that you usually don't get a chance to do so. So I think everybody, and I mean everybody again, her
teammates, her coaches, everybody else in the league. They're jealous. It's jealousy because Kaitlyn Clark is like there's nobody that's entered the NBA in my lifetime that entered the WNBA like Kaitlin Clark just did, like you know, like it just it's it's not happening before. And I know it sounds like I'm acting as if she's the best player that's ever played, and who knows, maybe she ends up becoming that down the line, But like other great women's
college players, didn't have the national following that Caitlyn Clark has. And there are players that are in the WNBA that are accomplished more so than she was in college as far as the team thing, and some of them even individually, like Kelsey Plum. I mean, I mean, Kateln Clark broke one of her records for scoring, and you know, she played for a good
team, but they just didn't. They didn't. They don't carry the same attention, and I think there's clearly some jealousy there or or they just really don't like her, and that could be it too. And I don't sound like a hypocrite because I've mentioned that I don't think she seems to be that likable at times on the floor, with her attitude, body language, pouting to teammates and refs and whatnot. So that's what's kind of been a little
ick for me. But she's no different than any player. So I have a hard time thinking that these WNBA veterans have just have just you know, learned enough about her. They've been around her, they've got to know her character, and they just don't like her because they think she sucks as a person. I just don't buy that, I mean, because again, what I'm telling you makes her kind of unlikable for me, the casual women's basketball fan. That's every day in sports, Like people act like that all the
time. Like the athletes, athletes you know, at times can be theatrical about a missed call, or maybe get on a teammate or maybe talk back to their coach, get a technical flop, maybe throw a cheap shot like that happens with not everybody, but like that's not uncommon, that's not something you've never experienced before as a professional athlete. But clearly like she's I mean, she's not very popular, it seems. And I remember the WNBA vets
that are still playing. I don't know a lot of their names, but some that are still playing now that have been playing for a long time, and some that have no you know, like Chryl Swoops is this one that that really made a fool of herself trying to talk about Kaitlyn Clark before she got to the WNBA because she just had no she didn't know anything, Like she had no everything she said about Kaylyn Clark, which is actually not true as far as like stats and you know, her story, that kind of
stuff, And it just made you think, well, yeah, they're jealous that she's about to bring the spotlight to this league like nobody else ever has before. And these women are bothered by that. They're not embracing that. They're not you know, I don't want to go as far as and say, hey, you better protect your meal ticket because I don't know if her being great and bringing a following to the WNB, I mean, like you
could never be that. Like I think people say that kind of tongue in cheek, like they better be had, they better be nice to her, they better protect her, you know, cause she's the meal ticket. She's the one thing that gave them a viewership that they've never had before. Well yeah, but like you can't cater to her in the WNBA, like this
is at the end of the day. This is a competitive thing, Like you have to mean you should want to kill her on the floor, not literally like some are trying to do it seems, but like it you know,
it's not like you need to bow to her. But I never thought that it would end up to this level, to where it's just like and little things stand out to me when it comes to like when she gets shoved and kind of you know, sells it at times, but unsolicited, Like it's almost as if that was the plan before anything happened in the game.
They were going to do something to you know, I don't know. I don't think it gets in her head because she still performs at a really high level, right, Like I don't think that you know, there's this rap on her. Hey, you get in her head, get her mad, she shuts down, Like No. I think more often than not she usually ends up killing you and making you regret it. But like they just don't
like her. They're jealous, it seems, And I'm just curious to see, like if it continues to happen, will the WNBA like come out with like a press conference. You know, they I know, they they they whoever the what's her name? I think it's Kennedy, but it's Tinnity.
Yeah, it Trinity, Yeah, but it's Kennedy. That girl, I mean by the way, I mean, like I don't want to make this a godgirl thing, but like I mean, just the way she handled that after the fact was just embarrassing, Like clearly, you know, she got all work like, and she got all work like, she got all worked up after the fact, as if like she's the victim and she's liking and retweeting everybody on Twitter who is saying that Caitlyn Clark got what she deserved and
she's gonna keep getting like for what being great? I mean, like it's just you know, and then they wouldn't take questions on it. Angel Reese was was fine because she didn't show up through the postgame press conference because she tried to play all where all great friends were, and then she made a clown of herself by just you know, being really into the fact that like her teammate pushed Kitlyn Clark down and then threw a little elbow at herself.
Like, look, even though I don't like Caitlyn Clark that much, she doesn't deserve what she's getting But like, these people are really telling on themselves as far as their character, and I don't know if they know it or not. They look emotional, they look childish, and they are jealous. But yeah, Kennedy, Kennedy Carter said we grown asf which I think a
lot of you guys know what that means. And y'all talking about enforcer man gt foh Hooper shut up and also then said I ain't answering no Caitlin Clark questions, immediately goes onto Twitter and won't shut up, like it's just it's oh, that sounds so grown up. Yeah, it's it's you know again, I don't want to make it well, I don't want to make it sound as if like, well, that's you know, that's how women act, because that's not what I'm saying. And I know there's already probably people
thinking that's what I what I mean. But like woman or man, whoever, whatever you identify as, I don't know what gender you are, what you want to be, whatever you claim, that behavior is childish and it's emotional, and it's it's it's the kind of stuff that will gets you fired from a job acting like that, all right, quick break. We'll come back on the other side. Nothing but WNBA conversation from now it'll six o'clock hang out. It's right, Coffee and company. Wrap it up our first
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All right, So there is a show on documentary, not a series, but just a documentary on Netflix aut about bitcoin, and I watched it earlier today whenever I was at the gym. It's called Bitcon. And I still don't know if I can really tell you a whole lot about what bitcoin is. And I know it's digital currency, but I really don't even know what
the hell that is. Like I know, like I understand it's a new form of currency, and a lot of people thought maybe some still think it is like the future, but I've never like, what do you do with it? Like how do you you know, spend it? And I don't care to know, you know, it's it's not something I would ever like.
The only time I would ever want to know is if like we no longer have USD currency, right, if I still if I if I can't use my plastic debit cards swipe it and it works, and or if I pay cash, like you know, that's that's that's what I know, and
that's what I need to know. But what really just like floored me is to see just how many people tried to get in on the wave, invest and put a lot of their own money towards it, thinking that it would be a big payoff for him, or thinking that it would be you know that they're way ahead of the curve and they're going to be, you know, much better off than anybody who's who's you know, still waiting around to like, you know, realize that this is you know, this is this
is the way people are going right digital currency. But there was fifty I'm sorry, five billion dollars invested, sorry, four point nine billion dollars invested between like twenty seventeen and twenty nineteen or something like that. I guess that was like the real big boom. Seventy eight percent of the money of that
five billion a cent was to go towards scams like not wasn't real? Like what about was it the cool idea that you know that made that made people think like it was more real than it actually was, Like was it something that were interested in? I mean, sometimes people invest money and it's just about it's a good investment. I'm going to make a lot of money by doing this. I don't really need to know the specifics. I need to know what I need to know, and you know, I trust you.
That's why we're business partners. And I'm going to invest because of what you've really broken down as far as like the numbers, well Bitcoin, I mean, who nobody really knew and a lot of people were skeptical for you know, obvious reason. And now I mean, I'm sure I know it still exists to like in some form or fashion, but I just to hear that and to see the stories of people that were that were profiled in this documentary
who invested in I guess it was called gen Con. Yeah, it was called That's gonna drive me crazy because it was one of the more popular I guess you know companies that were that that people were investing money in. But man, I mean, did you ever consider did you ever try to learn about it? John? No, I'm I'm always very skillsful of that kind of stuff. Yeah, especially if you know me. Uh, I don't early adopt into a lot of things. I just started using TikTok maybe less
than six months ago. And that's something that really kicked off maybe four or five years ago. That's what makes you an old soul. And it's it's called uh CenTra Tech just CenTra, I guess became the type. You know, it was a crypto company that obviously for those who don't know, it was just a couple of young South Florida hustlers that were able to get you know, enough of an investment from people to like fund the scam, if that makes sense. And then it just got down to like, I mean,
keeping it going. And I'm I'm fascinated by those who are con artists. And I don't know why. You know, there's a show called American Greed and some of them don't really profile con artists. They just profile criminals
that have, you know, some level of financial crime. But there are some people who are brilliant con artists to where like if they did if they were on the straight and narrow, utilizing the savvy street smarts, that they have the ability to sell like they would be they would be rolling in the dough like they would be super successful, and they don't put it towards that. And this guy who was sort of at the center of it, his
name is Ray Trapeenie. You know, he is someone who made it quite clear in the documentary he wanted to be like he always was fascinated by, you know, scamming people crime, which I think it's a weird thing to get you know, interested in, but it's like you know, once they get once they get away with it early on, and maybe they've been able to kind of you know, take a little money off the top, mislead somebody slightly. That is actually you know that has led to them making money
in a major way because somebody believed it. I think it's got to be like an addiction thing where you just don't know the line and you don't realize how elaborate your nonsense is getting to where somebody like, by the time you get caught, you've seemingly taken money from a whole lot of people, and
it's going to turn into where you end up going to prison. But because it's all like white collar crime, a lot of them don't do that much time and they're probably in federal prison thinking of their next game when they get out. Like it just fascinates me because some of these people are creative as far as how they're able to pull things off, and you know, you shouldn't do it, you shouldn't be dishonest with people. But it's also made
me very like, I don't know, I'm more aware. I feel like I'm more aware of things to be like, yeah, that doesn't sound real, Like that doesn't sound legit. All right, two more hours left, so stick with us right here at this coffee and company. We are Feelbuth Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety