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us here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Appreciate you guys hanging out with us here two hours in with one more to go, and we haven't spent much time outside of the first segment discussing what happened last night, which was the presidential debate, and I'm trying to see I would imagine maybe in the next twenty four hours, you know, maybe we'll get some numbers as far as
the viewership of last night's debate. I mean, for what it's worth, they always are very, very highly watched compared to I mean, if you look at the most watched live events throughout every year during an election year, when there's a presidential debate, they're sprinkled in there. They're not, you know, as watched as the super Bowl or anything like that. But there'll
be a big number. But I just have a feeling that even though the circumstances are not ideal for both sides, it seems I just have a feeling there are people who watch that typically wouldn't because they realize, like, what are we gonna do here? Things aren't going great? Let's see which one of these candidates. I mean, I know people already have their mind up may May, they've already made their mind up of what they're going to do
on election day. But you know, maybe you are somebody that you know is not super I wouldn't say loyal, but like you want to you know, you're not just going to do what your what you know your party does because it's your party. You're gonna hear it and make a decision based off of what you feel like makes the most sense and how it could particularly particularly benefit you. So there's also the component of people watching because it was at
times comedy. I mean, that's just be real. It was, And uh, I know there were some people laughing because what else are you gonna do? Right, like laughs, so you don't cry, and all you can do is laugh because of just you know, two senior citizens yelling at each other like children, and you know, always wanting to get the last word. It just it, really it was. It was actually legitimately funny, Like I laughed genuinely, not like for effect. I laughed because it
brought me laughter to see just how ridiculous this thing was at times. I mean, Trump can't control himself, right, like he's gonna no matter what Biden says, Trump, Trump's going to counter it, always want to get the last word, not really listening to the question that's asked. And then
Biden, I mean, God bless him. I mean at times, you know you, I mean not even really at I think through out even when he did say things that you could understand what he was saying, and he didn't get caught up and you know, lose his train of thought, forget what planet he's on, like he just I mean, he can't even speak loudly, and no matter what happens, we'll always have this. This was
said at a presidential debate, and I still can't believe it. But then again, given the situation it's it probably shouldn't have been such a surprise to hear this. What what are you talking about the morals of an alley cat sir, I didn't have sex with the porn star. What are you talking about? You have the morals of an alley cat? Is that that's kind of like a low key old man jab? Yeah, like what what do
what type of morals do alley cats? Alley cats are dirty and you know, just you know that makes sense, slimmy, Yeah, I mean, you know, no, I've never heard anybody say that, but I think a lot of people my age are younger probably that's not in their back pocket
to throw at somebody being an alley cat. I mean, it sounds like something from your old alley cat, you like, it sounds like something from you know, fifty sixty years ago, which at that point, I think Biden was fifty or sixty years old, fifty or sixty years ago, but you know, the morals of an alley cat. I did not have sex with a porn I mean, it's just it's it's insane that we're here and they'll do it again at some point, and I wouldn't expect much of a
difference. Although it was it was pretty crazy to see, but then again not surprising if you watched it. That the Democratic Party, I guess like that was there Uh, oh, we're in trouble here, and I just don't get how you couldn't see it. Oh, same here, same here,
I mean, And I really don't know. And again, I feel pretty good about how we addressed it in the first segment, and I'm trying not to veer away from that because I think we spent like fifteen minutes discussing it but really not even talking politics specifically or you know, leaning one way or the other, because I think you can actually discuss it without doing that, given that there's so much more to it with a guy who is a
convicted felon who was the president two terms ago and now he's back in position to try to win when the gig back who you know, also the first guy who officially, you know, top to bottom, contested the election and doesn't accept that he lost against a guy who is just too I mean, like he's not I don't even think it's it's it's not even about age,
it's more about health of him. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say to say that he's not sharp because of his age, is not even doing it justice like he's I mean, because they're both around the same age, which you wouldn't be able to tell that last night if you didn't know any better. Yeah, And honestly, like you know Trump, I think Trump has probably used a lot of his money to work on his appearance where he doesn't look as old and Biden, you know, I guess doesn't do that.
But like Trump looks old, Biden doesn't look like he's ancient compared to him, but he he acts like you know, he's just not as he's not as sharp. So I don't know, I don't We're not going to turn this into a political show. But I think in my lifetime I'm thirty five years old, this is the most I mean unusual circumstance I can think of when it comes to a presidential election to where I don't think either side you know, well, this is where I got to toe the line because
I don't want to turn it into that. But like I think, I'll just I'll back off. There was one thing you you quite you asked a question earlier. It was during the first segment, and that's can they like switch out candidates in an emergency situation? Because and I don't know the answer to this, but I did talk to someone about this last line because I was curious. I do think it's possible to where like Joe Biden, you
just be like, you know what, I'm gonna retire. I'm not healthy enough, I mean, and then just put in I don't know, Kamala Harris because she's the vice president. God please no, please know. I don't know who else they put in there? Who else would they do? I don't know, I don't know. And this sounds very unpatriotic and it's not really what I mean, But I'm just gonna say it. Who would want to do it like that? Who would want to do that? I
mean, who would want to do that? I can't I mean people who you know, you can give you though, because they care about their country. And I think there's some legitimacy to that for sure, because I don't think you get into politics unless you do have a care. But then again, it turns into power, ego, status, that kind of stuff, and these two guys clearly along the way have have have shown that that's that's important to them. And I don't I don't think. I don't think that's
unnatural. That's not even a criticism, but like, who would who would want to do that? I mean, again, it sounds like I'm like, who, you know, I don't mean just a mayor who would want to be the president of any country. Again, people who I guess want to do good and feel as if they have the you know, they're they're politically savvy enough to you know, do right by their country and put the rest of their you know there there. They're natives in a good spot and
all that, and financially the economy all that kind of stuff. But I mean, to me, there's it screams like a thankless, thankless job, right. I mean, you're always going to be criticized. So I don't know where we go from here, and I don't really know where, you
know. I mean, there's no way Biden wins the election, right But then again, but but then again, on the other side, I also can say this, and and you know, I think it's also crazy to think that Trump would win it, given the fact that he was just convicted of felonies and he you know, didn't exit the White House like any other president. And you know, if either side had a more coherent candidate, they could easily win. I feel like, yeah, I don't think that's
untrue at all. But instead we just put In and for Donald Trump. You know Donald Trump, like you know, I think when it comes to I mean, clearly he lies about stuff, and you know, look, every politician lies to be honest with you. But there was a lot of fact checking going on with some of the things he said last night that ended up clearly just not being true or if anything, just misleading exaggerated. But
you could say the same thing about Biden. I don't know what the scoreboard says about who was fib and the most and all that, but it goes both ways to an extent. But things last night that made me think to myself, like, there's no way Trump can be president again. It was it was the same things that I thought when he was becoming the president in twenty sixteen, and it's it's just because he's so he's so unpresidential, he's so unpolished, and that's just different. But I mean doesn't mean he did
it for four years and obviously you know that came to an end. But because Biden just is so not really there even when he would make and I don't even I mean, I'm not sure he may a lot of great points. Last night. He did a lot of a picking and talking and jabbing at Trump, which I feel like is what you expect in these kind of things to an extent, but I feel like that's that didn't used to be
as fastball. I think last night a lot of it was just like, look at this guy, he's the worst, and even if he did at some point makes some great point and answer to question perfectly, because of how just because of his situation in delivery and appearance and just age, it didn't sound good. It didn't sound convincing. It didn't win you over because and I'm saying that as somebody who is a Democrat and not saying that's who I'm voting for, but that's what I identify as. But again, I've voted
for Republicans before and I'll do it again. Like I'm not somebody. I'm somebody that at least tries to think for myself, even when I'm not the most educated and knowledgeable person. But you know, like Trump, I thought sounded way better than he ever has. And some of it could be because of how he answered things and what he said and what he brought up. But man, I gotta be honest with you, I think a lot of
it was because the guy sitting next to him. I mean, he looks like he could croak it any minute, and i'd sound I mean, I don't be mean, but like that's that he didn't have anything to offer as far as delivery. If oh Biden was it all intimidating or had some behind his voice, you might have seen a little more, you know, contesting going on from from the other side, which I think made it easy for Trump to look good. Look when it comes to things like this results action
that's really what matters. Words don't matter as much. But in this position, like when you're debating each other trying to win votes, what you say matters a whole lot, but you know what, how you say it matters even more. And that's where no matter what Biden says and how he it, just it's it doesn't hit you know what I mean, like because I'm just thinking, like does he even know what he's saying? And I'm not like, I don't say that to try to make a poor attempt at a
joke like that's just that's that's just where we are. That's the situation. So I know a lot of people didn't watch it because they just don't care. And you know, whatever I get, it would and I'm gonna tellnybody how to spend their time and what to watch. I know there are people who didn't watch it because it would make them angry, But I know people watched it because they're like, man, this is insane. Like people who don't vote because they just you know, out of sight, out of mind,
they're just going to live their lives, stay in their lane. They probably were more inclined to tune in last night than ever just because of what we have here with these two guys being the two candidates to you know, to be the president of this country. Now, when you heard which you
didn't watch a lot of it, did you? I watched it was until they went to the first break, which was I think about forty five minutes into it, when you heard Trump at times mention how bad of shape the country's in and how we're being mocked by others this, and that you know, he's doing that to highlight in his mind how poorly of a job Biden
is doing currently as our president. Yes, but did you notice how anytime he would say that, Biden's first reaction wasn't to counter and dispute that, it was to just bring how could you say that about this great country? Like to me, that was like that, ain't it? Like? I didn't hear Trump say that and feel like, how could he talk about our country? Because again, I won't claim to be the most knowledgeable. In fact, I'm far from it when it comes to what's really going on.
But I also know we're not in great shape. And I feel like, you know, I didn't feel like that was out of line for him to say it, yet instead of addressing that, Biden just acted like, listen to this guy, how could you ever have him as a president? He's talking about our great nation like that. The most out of line thing I heard last night was when Trump was asked about January sixth and he decided to not say anything about January sixth and talk about what was going on with the
country outside of that at the time. And that's where he just can't help himself. Yeah, because he can't not have the last word, He can't just move on. It's a little it's almost like it's a childish thing, to be honest with you. Yeah, And Biden showed that last night, which I don't really remember ever ever seeing that before out of him at least not in that, you know, not to that level to where they were. They were both on each other's level as far as childish back and forth
bickering. That really, I guess isn't a big surprise, but it's not something you typically see. Like you go back and watch previous debates in other election years, you'll see, you know, it's really the same thing in regards to like discrediting the other and you know, calling them dishonest this and that. But again, most people care like Trump just carries himself and delivers differently than most, and that doesn't necessarily mean he's terrible at it. It's
just unusual. And then now you've got a guy who probably used to be a little bit more polished as a politician that you can just you know, not even know about his policies and what he believes, but you could just hear him talk and say, yeah, that sounds like a guy who's been
in politics his whole life. But back it sound like that. Now he sounds like a guy who just showed up, don't know where the hell he is, is struggling to breathe, it look like at times, and the look on his face when he says things again, how he says it, and the look on his face when he says things has me questioning anything he says because I'm just like, does he know what he's saying? Like is
he did? He forget where he was? And it's sad to be honest with you, and this clearly is is is has been said by others as a joke and it's it's not gonna happen. But to see how poorly Biden kind of carried himself just he just wasn't it wasn't good wasn't good night for him, I think anybody, regardless what you think of him, would have to say that that, you know, Trump aside, just look at only what Biden said and how he carried himself and how he presented himself, how
he appeared. He's not in great, great shape. It looks like and I don't mean like you know, physically, I just mean, well, I guess it is physically. But to see after the fact and really the whole conversation nationally turned into like, damn the Democratic Party, they're probably really really worried now if they weren't already, I mean that that was the noise.
And then to see Jill Biden, you know, just standing there on stage after the fact, Joe, you did so great at answering every question, you know, hyping up the crowd that was there, you know, after the fact. And yet he's wobbling like a Mortal Kombat figure, just like waiting to be just just fall over. Like it just was sad to see. Like people who say it's elderly abuse again, that's I don't think that's I mean that they're never gonna that's not gonna happen. Like, I
don't think people are really wanting her to be charged with that. But like I get why people say it, like it's not that far fetched, because I don't know how anybody could could watch last night and feel like this guy's in great shape not only to be in that debate, but to run the country for the next four years. Like it's it's insane. But uh, you know, do you know how old both of them are? Just guessing? I looked it up early seven seventy seven, seventy eight, Trump and
Biden is eighty one. Yeah, I knew Biden was in his eighties. I thought Trump I would I felt like I guessed a little older on the Trump side, So Trump seventy eight, Biden's eighty one? Is that you said yes, yeah, Biden? Apparently you know there's here's more highlights from last night, President Biden. You're gonna see he is six foot five and only two hundred and twenty thirty five five pounds. Well you said six four
two hundred. Well anyway, that's your anyway, just take a look at what he says he is, and take a look at what he is. Look, I'd be happy to have a driving contest with him. The reama I got my handicap, which when I was vice president down to a six. And but by the way I told you before, I'm happy to play golf. If you carry your own bag, I think you can do it. That's the biggest lie. He's a six handicap, of all, I was an eight handicap. Eight. But I have seen this wing. I
know you wing, President Trump. Let's not act like children. I mean, that had nothing to do with that's funny. That has nothing to do with anything about politics. But that's funny. He's whispering the whole time. And what did he say about I think he I'm not sure this is a real number. As far as what he said his weight was President by you can see he is six foot five and only two and twenty third found two hundred and thirty thirty thirty What was the twenty third? I don't know what
he said, Biden. You can see he is six foot five and only two d and twenty third found twenty third, twenty thre He's six four, two hundred and thirty fur pounds. And in the best part is he's he's insinuating that Trump's fat and that he's lying about his weight, which he probably did. And the best like the first time Trump says something, whereas Mike's on his biggest lies that he's a six handicap, I was an eight handicap. Yeah, that's the biggest. He's a six handicap of all handicap Yeah,
yeah, yeah. I've seen your swing. I know you swing. Don't act like President Trump. We're going let's not act like children swing. They should wheel both of them out the next PGA championship. I mean, we can laugh about this, right, I hope. So, I mean back, you and I are in the position where like we're we both understand the radical left and the radical right, and I feel like it's it's very
difficult for both of us to get offended by this kind of stuff. Oh yeah, and this is not a silver lining or like you know, like this isn't good all the way around. But if there is one thing that I can personally and it doesn't matter to anybody else, that I can take from this whole situation, is that because of that clip that I just played for you, it's content without being political, and that's rare because usually they don't. You know, this is just next level. I mean, like
that could be on a sitcom of a presidential diy. Absolutely absolutely, I mean it's it's crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. But again, when I get older, if somebody ever shares this clip with me, it'll take me back to last night, and I'll be reminded because I'm hopeful when I'm older years down the line that you know, we're in a better situation overall as a country, and we're not as contentious with one another or not against each
other. We're not bickering and fighting, but just you know, we'll always have this and it it still amazes me that this was an exchange last night in a presidential debate. What what are you talking about? You have the morals in an alley cat man, Sir, I didn't have sex with the porn star. Oh my goodness. All right, let's go ahead and get our next break here out of the way and come back on the other side.
Talk a little more about the takeaways from the NBA Draft, the added weird weird component to the Kyle Pilapowski girlfriend situation for those of you that miss that, And do people realize that the EA Sports College Football game like it's not real, Like it's a video game. People are getting pissed off about where their team's ranked in like the top twenty five defense. It's not real, folks, It's a video game. I'm not trying to rain on the
parade. I've never seen a video can get this much hype. But like, are we are? We are we worried about our team because of what EA Sports said about our offensive unit or deef. I get it's a video game. It's a Friday too, so stick with us right here. Coffee and Company. Feel about Thorton's on Sports Talk seven ninety. I feel like it's been a while since I was was able to get a Friday afternoon with
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she give me that that good vibe song. All right, So the NBA draft concluded yesterday, and I did feel like a real feelt more more like a dumb ass than I usually do, just because I had no clue why would they do the draft this way, And what it turned out to be is because of the of the presidential debate. It's always the last week of June, and this year there's a presidential debate. It was gonna be on Thursday, and they made the decision to have the first round on a Wednesday
because they didn't want to go head to head with the presidential election. And I guess the one thing I don't understands why not just do both both rounds the same night like you typically have done, because doing the second round yesterday
during the day was just weird. But Bronnie James gets drafted, and that has been easily the most talked about thing among I mean, really, I think that's probably the most talked about a thing in the draft overall, to be honest with you, just because of the top two picks or guys most people aren't super familiar with. I mean, there's other talking points, no doubt about it, but Lebron James now being teammates with his son is a huge story. Not a surprise. I think we kind of saw this coming.
And despite it being the most talked about thing from this draft, I don't think that many people really give a damn unless you're a Lakers fan or a Lebron fan. Like you know, it's not something people really care about. But get used to it. If you already have fatigue of the Lebron
and Bronni teaming up in LA story, it's not going anywhere. In fact, I think that's going to be the most talked about thing and it's not even close at the Summer League, and you know, he'll make his debut and they'll be so much hype around it, and it's really not fair to
him, you know. I think most people would love to have that kind of attention, But with that attention comes pressure and expectation, and I'm just curious if is it going to play out to where like, if Bronny plays limited minutes in the Summer League and has you know, nine points and five boards, is it going to be viewed as, Hey, that's pretty good. You know, I thought the kid sucked, or is it going to
be Wow, that's all Lebron's kid. I mean, you're going to get reaction from from all all angles when it comes to that that overall situation. But I continue to say that Lebron James's son has handled himself really as good as you possibly could throughout this situation, and he doesn't seem to be bothered by any of it. But it also feels weird, like painting him is like a victim, you know what I mean, John, because like he's I mean, he'll never need money, Like he's very pre villig Lebron James
son. But you know he's going to be a punchline and that's that's inevitable and that would always be the case, always, and nothing can do about it. But I did love our man Rob Cassidy of Rivals, who comes and joins us on the show from time to time to talk high school basketball recruiting, and he covered Bronni And I know guys who cover recruiting that don't care for Lebron, that love Bronnie because Lebronni's always been, i mean,
respectful and just seems like a good kid. But I'll read directly from Rob Cassidy's tweet because it's it's spot on in my opinion. This is this is what he said. I hope Bronnie James is a great NBA player one day, but whatever happens with him, the one thing I never want to hear from Dad is that the media put unrealistic expectations on him or whatever because he
did it himself, saying lebron did himself and that's true. Like last year in March, Lebron James tweeted, man, Bronni definitely better than some of these cats I've been watching on league past at a lightweight, hilarious, A bunch of laughing emojis, like, Because here's what's gonna happen. There's going to continue to be a lot of noise about Bronny. There'll be many people
criticizing the Lakers for making the pick. He'll either not play much or if he does play, he's probably not going to make a huge impact and Lebron will do what most fathers would do defend their kid, which is unusual. You don't usually, I mean you see teammates defending teammates. This is a different element here. This is his son. Like really, it's a conflict of interest for them to even be on the same team, if I'm being honest with you. It's one thing for brothers. This is his father.
Yeah, this is a nepotism. Oh yeah, I mean absolutely, But you know, Lebron is not the boss. I mean he is, but he's not, you know what I mean, Like Lebron didn't draft him, although he he's pulling the strings. But Lebron will tell people to chill out and quit being so hard on his son and expecting too much too early, when again, even Lebron said that his son a year ago it was already
better than guys in the league. So even though we know what's coming with this, it's still just annoying to know that we're going to go through that. And I go back to what I said a minute ago, like unless you're a Laker fan or a big Lebron fan, like I don't think many people care, Like this is not a significant thing within the NBA. Yet it's gonna be shoved in our face for a long, long time. All
right. So one other draft story that we've talked about over the last couple of days, and there's there's new layers to it that make it even more weird. I think that's the best way to describe the Kyle Filapaski situation. It's just weird. So to quickly run down the overall situation here, he did not get drafted in the first round, which was a big surprise. Kayle F Lapaski was a top five player in the country coming out of Duke, was a was a really good freshman, came back as a sophomore at
Duke and was a good player. Didn't quite reach expectations. He didn't have the All American type season everybody expected. But still he's a seven footer with great skill, a lot of tools, and he was invited in the green room because the expectation was that he was going to be a top twenty pick, maybe a lottery pick, and he slipped out of the first round.
Well. One of the NBA draft analysts for ESPN said in a podcast yesterday leading up to the second round that he didn't have good workouts and that he didn't do great in interviews, but he's still super skilled. But the one thing that keeps coming up. In fact, he said twenty five different teams brought it up about Filipowski's they have concerns about him because of his girlfriend. And that was really all that Giovanni said, outside of his girlfriend being a
little older than him. Well that led people doing some digging and turns out his girlfriend is eight or nine years older than him, which isn't crazy, but it's you know, the relationship started when he was a child, Like technically he wasn't a little kid, but like I think seventeen sixteen years old is what his mother says his age was whenever these two became, I guess romantically involved. So the NBA knows of this, and the NBA also,
I guess knows that he has kind of like shunned his family. He doesn't speak to his family anymore. And you know, there's always context that we don't know about people's family situations, but that's still a red flag and you'd want to get some information, and I'm sure they reached out to get information as far as how that happened, and they told him, like, I mean, they probably didn't help their family member, their son, their brother.
But like when NBA people are doing some digging to figure out why he's not with his family anymore, they were probably gladly. They were probably happy to tell the NBA folks it's because this woman, she's kind of taken him away from us. And here's where you know that alone is kind of weird that she started dating him when he was a kid and she was twenty five
years old. Twenty four years old. Again, as I said earlier, imagine if the roles were reversed and it was a man that was twenty four or twenty five and the girl was sixteen or seventeen, like that would never be allowed to happen. But what makes it even more weird is that she she was his babysitter when he was a little kid, and it's just hard not to see a scenario where she saw this young. I mean, he's
she probably changes diaper, and she's attractive. She was probably attractive when she was his babysitter, and maybe he had a crush on her or something. You could just see her taking advantage of that, knowing this guy's gonna be a millionaire. He's a basketball phenom at the time. Again, he was a top five player in the country. So this young kid at the time she started a romantic relationship with when he was in high school and she was
graduated from college for a few years. And the mother claims it was all because she knows he's going to be rich, he's going to be in the NBA, and that's I mean, that'll that's just you know, that's weird. It'd be different if like they connected randomly. But the fact that she was his babysitter as a kid is what makes it weird to me. But also she's Mormon. That's not weird, that's not that uncommon. But she's for her to I guess because of her family. For her to be able
to be with him, he has to be Mormon. So I guess if there's some kind of conversion that can take place to where you're a more like, that's what their family, that's what she's trying to do, is convert him to be a Mormon. And it's sad for his family, and it's really sad for him. Like he's a grown up, he can make his own decisions. I'm sure he does love this woman, but it's hard not to question her legitimate intentions when you really look at the story from top to
bottom. But yes, John, you said it best him getting drafted by Utah, Like I mean that the joke writes itself, Like no, it's I mean, it's terrible. Well, here's the thing too, that's also kind of a silver lining. He's still young, and we talked about this earlier too. If he can, he has time to kind of figure out that this could be a mess for him and get himself out of the situation.
It absolutely, absolutely could be a situation where the attention to this story is getting might make a light bulb go off for him right to where he thinks, all right, this is weird and this has impacted Like he's probably not just gonna cut her off, but like from a professional standpoint, he does need to let I guess his employer know the jazz, Like that's not gonna be an issue, Like, you know, I'm my own man,
you know I'm gonna do what I need to do. I'm now an employee of yours, And despite this being a story, you know, maybe he can provide some context that would make it make a little more sense. And surely there's things we don't know that might make it not as weird. But I'm telling you when I when I when I saw the babysitter thing like that, that made it really weird for me because again I'm thinking of you know, she's been around him since he was a little kid, Like you have
a babysitter. I mean, I don't know, do you remember how old you were when you had a babysitter or did you ever have babysitters? I didn't have them very often, and it was it was it wasn't like a consistent thing. It was very rare occasions. So I feel like when my
mother and father no longer needed somebody to watch me and my sister. My sister's a year older than me, and she's always been, you know, the more responsible one, So it was around probably gosh, I don't know, I don't it's probably changed since then, But I don't feel like my mom left us home alone. We were little bitty kids. But like I wouldn't even really know what age are going raid, but it was usually other family members. Yeah, yeah, yeah, fine, So my cousin,
my older cousins who you know, were and now that we're older. Like, they don't seem like they're that much older than me, you know what I mean. But they were probably like five, six seven years older than me. They would babysit me because you know, whenever I was seven, you know, they were twelve or thirteen old enough to watch, you know,
a kid. So that just makes it weird to me. But you know, he's gonna be asked about it, right, like that one guy we played yesterday wants to put him on his podcast and talk to him about it. Who the Oh yeah, I don't know. I mean I think he did it. I think that was before I mean that was Zach low
But that's before this became a story. Like he he Zach Lowe responding to Giovanni actually really got this thing rolling because when mentioning all the things that could have potentially kept him from being drafted, they mentioned the fact that he didn't do great in the workouts and his interviews were a little little we're a little shaky, and his girlfriend and then that's when Zach Lowe is like, what
do you mean his girlfriend? And then it just his girlfriend's a little older, and every team's bringing it up. He's like, wait, what and then it turned into where like people did a little digging and his parents or his mother and his brother saw that it was getting a lot of attention online, and they, you know, were not afraid to share their side of it, at least, you know, without I mean, they didn't. I mean, I'm sure he wouldn't have liked them to have said that,
but I don't feel like they said anything crazy. They were just you know, I mean, if he's truly cut them off the way that it's been portrayed, I don't blame the parents or the sibling for saying something online about it messed up, all right. So I don't have a whole lot of strong reaction to Justin Edward's not getting drafted because he wasn't very good at Kentucky
and there was really no expectation he would be drafted. I don't think, I mean, I guess he was mentioned towards the end of the draft, like Trenton Flowers, one of those guys that was with four picks left, they're still showing you the ten best available, and I think he was in there. But Justin Edwards didn't get drafted, which again I didn't expect him to be drafted, but to know that he is. According to the twenty four to seven Sports Rankings, he is the first ever top three recruit to
go undrafted. I mean, and this guy did a little digging here and found and found all of the I mean, let me see if I can find the actual Yeah, so you know, you go back to you know, I'll just get not gonna run through it since twenty or since two thousand and three, but just the last you know, five six years. In twenty twenty two, Nick Smith was the number one player in America. He ends up going twenty seventh in the draft. He was injured. If you
remember at Arkansas, he didn't play much because he was injured. Dreake White had went twenty fifth. I forgot about him. Was he a duke? I think he was due? And then Derek Lively was went twelfth in the draft. He was the third best player. In twenty twenty one, Chet Holmgren was the number one player. He went second in the draft. Pollo was the number two player in the in the class went number one, and then Shade and Sharp was the seventh best was the third best player and he
went seventh. Kate Cunningham number one pick number one player, Jalen Green number two, pick number two player, Jalen Evan Mobley number three, pick number three player in the class. So that went one, two three. James Wiseman, number one player, went second overall. Anthony Edwards, number two player, went number one overall. Isaiah Stewart was the number three player. He went number sixteen. To go back even further, R. J. Barrett, he was the number one player in America. He went number three.
Cam Reddish was the number two player. He went tenth. Nasir Little went to Carolina, he was the number three player he went. He went to the twenty he went twenty fifth. So even if you have it like, let me just give you an example. Nick Smith certainly fits within that. Within that category, Derek Whitehead, Nasir Little certainly was not nearly as good as a freshman as everybody thought he would be, despite being the number
three player in the country. So bring it up to say, Excalabasia, he was a bust at Kentucky stunk, but he was the number number two player in America. Yet he still went in the first round at pick number twenty eight. So when you look at these numbers, it really is insane. To think he could be highly that that highly regarded and not even sniff the draft, and nobody's really to blame here. I think, if anything,
it's just an unfortunate circumstance. Yeah, the recruiting guys were wrong, for sure, but he you know that happens from time to time, but not to this level to where you could be that wrong. Because I guess, more than anything, it shows because some of these guys, like Harry Giles was the number three player in the country in twenty sixteen and injuries got in his way, but he still ended up going in the top twenty of that draft. So I'm sure they do their own homework. They evaluate players.
They're not basing it only off rankings, but there's got to be at least some level to where they do. Trust. Hey, if twenty four to seven sports they say this guy is a top five player, that means something. Because a lot of those names I just threw out there, Yeah you could still see I guess, some potential, but you know it was it was quite clear that they weren't as good as advertise. Yet they still
go first round, which the first round pick is a big investment. Folks like that's that's and then that's every year, unless trades happened or whatever the NBA. Each NBA team's got one first round investment, and that's that's somebody
that they're investing in to help their franchise. So you know, to still invest in somebody that in one year in college you know still has potential, but yet they were so underwhelming compared to what the hype was, Like I don't know, Like, for example, Aaron Bradshaw was one of the top five players in the country last year coming into college. He still has potential. He may be pretty good at Ohio State, but what do I know.
I'm not working in the NBA as a scout or as a GM, but I feel like I've seen enough to know that that was a dramatically overrated player, Like what is his tool? What is he doing that that gives the NBA a lot of value? He's big, athletic, but he doesn't
finish great, he doesn't have great hands, He's fragile already. He's not a shooter like you know, Yet it wouldn't be shocked if next year at Ohio State he puts up you know, nine to eight and somebody takes him in the first round like that's not uncommon, and usually more often than not it ends up being a pretty bad investment. But maybe the tide turns here because justin Edwards, I mean, a year ago, no way, he
thought this was how it would play out. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side, wrap it up right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. It's right, we were wrapping things up here, finishing up another week of coffee and company, getting you set for the week and hopefully by now you've you've you set yourself for the weekend and you're ready to rock and roll. You got to big plans this weekend, John, I don't That's good, isn't it It is? I mean, we've already had
our vacation for the summer. My wife, she's actually coming back from being in Michigan all week, so well, it'll be good to reconnect with with with moll. I'm sure. I'm sure you guys missed each other. So yeah, good to be good to get her back in town. Yeah, I mentioned it earlier. This is the first weekend in a long time where I have literally nothing planned, which at times is good. I'm sure. I mean, I'm not gonna do nothing. Even if I wanted to,
that wouldn't be possible with my kids, they wouldn't let me. But yeah, no big plans, just kind of relax. And then next week we've got a holiday week, fourth of July, four day weekend. And I said that like a real rednet four with the July got the best of me. And I'm just I don't want to jinx it, but I want to give everybody some kudos here because we're a week away from fourth of July, less than a week, I guess, and thank you because in where I
live, I've not heard any fireworks yet. Like usually it's a whole month of June, they light them off all through a couple of nights. You'll be come over and set them straight. Do it. I'll do it. I'm not scared. All right. You have a good weekend, sir, You too, You guys everybody listening out there, have a good weekend as well. Come back and join us on Monday afternoon right here. Coffee and Company. Philby Thornton's on Sports Talk seven ninety