On Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick Coffee. Big thanks to everybody who checked out the interview yesterday with Pat Kelsey. Obviously I know a lot of people listen live who probably are listening right now, but a lot of good feedback from those that are podcast listeners, which hey, however you're
listening whenever, wherever you're listening, we certainly appreciate it. It was nice to have coach Kelsey on the show, and it was just a reminder for me, not that I needed to be reminded, that there is so much excitement from Louisville basketball fans for this upcoming season. And yes, part of it is just due to the fact that we know we're going to be in
much better shape than what we were in with the previous regime. But also Pat Kelsey's a guy that I think, even when he doesn't even I mean when he's not really turning it on to try to be a hype man, his energy, his enthusiasm, it's infectious and it's uh, it's rubbing off on the fans. So a lot of excitement I am really looking at. My son is just now old enough Austin to where he you know, he's he's known of sports for quite some time. He just turned for a couple
of weeks ago. But he's now to the point where like he knows who wins and loses, right, he's not just watching and he knows. Like it was last year early on in the season, whenever he kind of looked at me with this puzzling but almost like a there was like a revelation that he realized the goat cards suck. Like he didn't say it, but like he was kind of like Dad, like, you know, we're not we
don't We're not good, are we? And I don't remember exactly what word he used or how he said it, but I had to break it to him. You know, we'll be better. We'll be back one day. And now you know he's all in with Coach Kelsey and even if they lose, I'm gonna try to tell him that they won, but he'll know, and uh, it's good stuff. When I got home yesterday, you know, I told him I was gonna have Coach on the show, and you know he's I mean when I told him we got a new coach, and
I was excited. You know, he wanted to be excited with me. So he actually brings up a little of basketball a lot and and asked me, did did you talk about Coach Kelsey and that kind of stuff? Within yesterday when I got home, he said, did you have Pat Kelsey? I listened to you with Pat Kelsey? And then he asked me why I didn't tell Pat Kelsey I loved him whenever I told him by because I always
tell you know, love you by. I always say that to my kids, and I still say to my parents when I talk to them on the phone. And I knew I forgot something. I forgot to tell Pat Kelsey that I loved it. Yeah, So if you're listening, Coach, I love you. That's weird, but you know I wanted to tell you on behalf of my son, Moose loves you too. Yeah. Oh yeah, dude, he's he's even got the glasses. You ever seen the picture that
I po He can, he can, he can become. You know, he might in fact, might be a good Halloween costume for him to sure, right, you know, just you know, cut his hair a little bit and you know, get him in a you know, a Louisville not a suit like Coach Kelsey's gonna wear. On the sideline. But you know something, you know, and yes, something you'd see a coach wearing practice write some practice gear and just put those glasses on you and he'll be good
to go and he'll be screaming. He'll be screaming, you know, go car cards. Yeah, So a lot of sports bars around town, obviously, regardless if you are a fan of Louisvill or Kentucky. If you're a server waitress, you know, it's probably in your best interest. Like if there's a big game on and there's Kentucky fans there, and if you're a Louisville fan, it's it's gross to do it, but like I get it.
Everybody's got to make a living. Like you might throw on the UK shirt right because you want your you want your customers to think that you're all in with the cats as well. Sure, And we were at lunch last week and just little things my son does confirms to me that he's going to be he's going to be a psycho like I am about this stuff about the rivalry, you know. And our waitress she was super great, but she had a UK shirt on because I think UK Baseball played later that day and
we walked out and uh, Mason told me. He said, he said, Dad, she liked the Go Cats, we like the Go Cards. And I was like, I know, it's it's okay. Sometimes you know, there'll be people. And she said he told me he wanted to go in there and tell her Boo cats. And I was like, we don't have to do that. But I like where you're I like where your heads. That sign like that's that's the kind of you know, and he's you know, he's still so young, which you know, it's good, it's
he It's a good sign early. But it also makes me wonder, like, okay, what am I am? I creating a monster? Yeah? And I kind of wouldn't give it any other way. Yeah, I kind of wouldn't want it any other way. But maybe his mother wouldn't agree. I don't know. We gotta we gotta have that conversation where you like that deep into it at that age where you like kind of understanding the cards and
cats thing. So I always knew, I mean as long as I can, as early as I can remember, I knew that I loved Louisville and I didn't like Kentucky. Uh huh. But they're really you know, my early days of and again I wouldn't have my situation any other way. So the early days of me being a big Louisville fan, we're talking five six years old. You know at that time, Louisville wasn't great, right, I mean that was My earliest memories are Louisvill's teams that you know we're all
right, uh with, like Tick Rogers and those guys. But ninety seven I was nine, that was the really really good team. So like that team went to an Elite eight that was Dwan Wat, Alvin Simms, those guys, bj Flynn, Bozac Smith, Damian Danceler. I mean, I can, I can, I can go on and on. So I love that team. They were special. But I remember Louislle teams before that. But Kentucky was always really good, and it didn't bother me because I didn't
really have a rivalry moment yet, you know what I mean. And to be honest with you, during Rick's time there, and even Tubby's year when he won a national championship in ninety eight, some of Denny's bad teams beat Kentucky's really good teams. So even whenever I knew they were really good and we weren't we beat them when I was a young kid, so and I wasn't exposed to it, so like I didn't watch Louisville and Kentucky games when
I was a young kid with Kentucky fans. I watched it with my parents and who were you know, diehard Louisver fans, which is why I am. But when I started, you know, going to school and you know, probably like second grade, I think I remember that being the uh you know, the the the age where I realized, you know, I'm a I'm a Louisville fan. Growing up in Bullet County, Kentucky. This was long before you know, Louisville was cool. Yeah, I mean there weren't.
Just to give you an example, you know, the Louisville fan base, I feel like, really exploded with younger people during like the Tom Church era because Louisville was good in football, they were relevant, they were good in basketball when Rick Patino got here, and you know the other sports, women's basketball and baseball just kind of exploded with the hiring of Dan McDonald and Jeff Walls. So that led to a lot of like for example, in
that area, you know, right outside of Louisville. There's still probably more. There are more Kentucky fans, but there's a lot more Louisville fans now than there were when I was a kid, because when I was a young kid, there really wasn't a whole lot. I mean, Louisville football, they just they had the ninety one Fiesta Bowl and that was cool, but you know, the history wasn't really there. So when I would wear U of L gear like you, I had a UFL starter jacket. You remember
the starter jacket era? Oh, yes, had a UL starter jacket. We got them for Christmas. I got a Louisville one. My sister got a Charlotte Hornet's one and original, and I would wear that everywhere and I never thought anything of it. But then over time, like I realized, like you know, Kentucky fans kids my age, like they would give me a hard time about it, and I like didn't. I didn't know why,
Like what's you know, what's going on here? And that's that's when I realized, like that it's you know, the rivalry is real, Like you you can't mean, I guess you can, but I can't relate to people who'd go both sides. I just can't. I don't. I don't get it, and how I don't know how you can really love one if you like both. That's just me being you know, a sick Oh, I suppose, because I'm sure there are some that you know, grew up in Kentucky and rooted for Kentucky, but they went to U of L and
they graduated. So yet they do have some level of like the ability to to to to like both. But when the games on emotions kick in, you got to pick a side, and even if you don't want to, you're you're going to. It's gonna happen whether you want to or not. So you know, I realized pretty early that like, I loved Louisville, and then I didn't really in a way, I guess I'm happy that I realized Kentucky fans were the obnoxious ones and we're in them. Look, both
sides have obnoxious fans, trust me, I know how this works. But I got the heat for just being a Louisville fan from Kentucky fans and it was all playful. It wasn't like I was bullied or anything like that. But that led to me at an early age, thinking like, the hell with these fans, like they're snobs, Like what do they you know?
What are they worried about? Like? And it also get you know, and I wouldn't have this rivalry any other way other than Louisville being more competitive in basketball in the last fifteen years, because that's been tough to take and football too, for being honest, just because they're on a losing streak there too. But both sides claim that, oh, they're so obsessed, why do you care? What do you care? Why are you so obsessed?
When in reality, it's not necessarily an obsession. It's just how rivalries work. Yeah, your best weekend in the fall is if your football team wins and your rival loses, of course, and that's just how it works. Like that's it, you know. Again, maybe some are more charged up and into the loss of a rival than others. Right, you should always
prioritize your team. I think that's normal. But the obsession debate that will never end because really both sides, it's a healthy rivalry if you're if you're keeping up with what your rival's doing to an extent, Right, it's not obsessions, just how it works. But I got to experience my first side of the rivalry with me not even caring or thinking about Kentucky because I didn't really know they were a rival, but yet they were worried about me.
Were in that Louisville starter jacket Austin, And I thought, you guys, I mean, get a come on, was it the red one or the black one? Oh? Okay, red had that? Had it had the not the dunking cardinal, but like the that mid nineties cardinal logo is it's I don't know if people would call it vintage, but you know, the nineties, it was a long time ago. Yeah, but yeah, I uh, in my my first grade or my second grade teacher she was I told her like that people you know that, like why are they giving me?
Because she liked U of L as well. She actually had she actually just graduated and she had classes with some of the basketball players and she would share stories with me and whatnot. Yeah, and I told her, like, you know, should I take this off? And she was like, never it off? And I was like, all right, she's on my side, Yes, let's go. Yeah, good stuff. And you so how did you get in? Like how did you become this diehard Louisville fan. Obviously, you know you have roots here, you live here now,
but you just had a lot of your life in Arizona. Yeah. Well, I just always remember we came down here for our summers, and I always remember my Uh, I'm going to give a shout out to my pops, my biological father. He was He always wore every time. They would always show me pictures of him. He was always in like the Louisville Cardinal. Well this was a dunking cardinal. Oh yeah, And I can't remember. I can't trace it back to one day, but I remember always trying
to draw it. I was a little kid. I was into art, and I was always trying to draw it. And I always have problem with trying to make because you know, we're the only bird with teeth, right, you are smart trying to draw that that teeth part. But I just always thought that that was like one of the cooler things about it because it
showed like a fierceness in such a cool logo. And and my stepfather, on the other hand, was always a big UK fan, so like I for and all my family is. But I think I I just kind of wanted to translate it that way, just because for some reason, I always liked the red and black combo has always been cool, and just I loved Louisville and just the city of Louisville living here, and there wasn't I mean, I guess I can't say there wasn't any Kentucky fans, but there's just
a lot more Louisville pride and a lot of people wearing just Louisville that I was used to. So I just kind of got used to it like that, and it's deep, but it's not. But I think even as a kid seeing your dad in the dunking Cardinal, it's just the human. It's it's it's being a human, like you just knew without even thinking about it. Well, that's my team too, because that's my dad's team, like exactly. I became obsessed with U of L because my dad was a big
fan. My dad became a big fan because his older brother went there, you know, in like the early the late sixties, early seventies. So like maybe not that I don't know if my uncle Wane's that old. I'm sorry, Uncle Wayne, if you're listening, I don't know the exact age, But like my dad, fresh out of high school, was watching his nephew's, my uncle's kids because they were they were traveling to go watch Denny's
all four teams in the seventies. Like, you know, it was kind of we were kind of born into it essentially, And another thing that I just find fascinating. And you know, I again, I say it all the time. I wouldn't change anything about this rivalry other than Louisville being a little more competitive in recent years, because that's that's what makes it fun.
Right Like in for a stretch there when Saderfield was the coach in football and especially when Kenny was the coach here in basketball, we couldn't realistically like be chesty, you know what I mean, Like we could, but like we didn't believe it. I mean, you would tell yourself you believe it, but I don't think deep down you did. Now, you know, who knows what's going to happen in basketball. But obviously I feel pretty damn good about Pat Kelsey as a coach, and Mark Pope will see, but like
he doesn't. Mark Pope's not gonna put any fear in anybody, that's sure, and cal you know, I think he put fear in a lot of teams, and he put fear in Louisville. But it wasn't because he was a larger than life successful coach. Despite him, he I mean that is the case. It was because over time, even when we were really good, we'd lose to him, like no matter what, we just couldn't beat him. Yeah, and it was, you know, it became like it was just a complex. So with Jeff brom A hate that they lost last
year, that was the worst. I mean, I it really didn't change the trajectory of anybody's season. I mean, Louisville would have not They wouldn't have been in any different situation had they beat Kentucky because at the end of the day, they were never going to put Florida State in there regardless. So if Louisville would have beat Kentucky but then lost to Florida State in the AEC Championship, I don't think anything changes. I don't think Florida State gets
the bump because they beat Louisville, who then beat Kentucky. But it's still a terrible like it won't be one that I remember forever because that was still a ten win season that got you the a SEC Championship game. So I feel like it was success a successful year, but of all years, given the circumstances in the scenario, I feel like that was, from what I
can tell, the worst loss Louisvel's ever taken to Kentucky. But again, now with Jeff Brom here, it's not like I'm looking at Stoops's record in the last six years and feeling less confident Jeff Brom's coaching that game one time, you know what I mean. Like, it's not as if, I mean, let's be real, Stoops was able to alpha Scott Sadderfield like he just did. And you know, I don't know how many wins Jeff's gonna get against Oops. Hopefully there are many. But Louisville is clearly on a
different planet now that they have Jeff Brahm as their coach. So I wouldn't change anything about the rivalry other than Louisville having some success. But one of the things that I've that I've learned over the years is there's a lot of fans across you know, especially the Louisville area where they're the black sheet. Right. They have five brothers or you know, seven brothers and sisters collectively and their mom and dad big Kentucky fans, all their siblings big Kentucky fans.
But they chose to be well, you know, I'm gonna I'm you know, it's what you like to do. You like to you like to rib your siblings, right, and you know, and you know, fight with your siblings, play fight, you know that kind of stuff. And I know some of the most diehard Louisville fans that I've met will share the fact that they really became a diehard Louisville fan because they just wanted to be
different than everybody else in their family. And I mean, it's one thing going back and forth with obnoxious fan on the other side that you just casually know that you work with that maybe you know they're an acquaintance or even just a friend if it's your brother or your sister, like you're you probably when you think of the bad side of the rival, you probably think of those
knockdown, drag out fights. And I don't mean necessarily physically, but I'm sure there are plenty of people listening right now, and I'm not exaggerating. There are people listening right now that have been in a physical altercation hopefully nothing serious, as you know, with somebody because of the rivalry, Like that's not crazy. We had two dudes at the dialysis center in Georgetown, Kentucky, where law enforcement was called because they got into a fistfight over the rivalry.
And they're at that dialysis clinic fighting for their life seemingly. Yeah. Literally, I mean that's what we do and I do if there's ever one and I mean one collective agreement among the two sides is that when it comes to ranking the basketball rivalries. And I know I've given this take many times, why not once more since we're talking about it, there's no debate when it comes to the best rivalry in college basketball. When it comes to like
success in his history, it's Duke Carolina. I mean, they've both been great forever, seemingly. They have a bunch of championships, and they're always competitive. I mean a few years ago, this was a stat that I thought was made up, but it wasn't. They played, you know, countless times, and I think at that point one school had like a one or two game lead in the all time series. But if you just add up the total scores in all those games combined, it was tied like that
speaks to how competitive those juggernauts of college basketball have been. So I have no argument as far as the best rivalry, as far as a clear rival that has history, tradition, and success. But to me, and again this is where I'm biased, a rivalry is all about fans. At the college level, you come and you go as coaches and players. A lot of the players that that come there to play for a school that has a
heated rival they didn't grow up around it. They may have heard of it, they may know it, but you're not really in it till you're in it. So I think fans make a rivalry. There wouldn't be a rivalry without it, at least not to that extent. And if you live in Louisville, because I think it's different here in Louisville, Kentucky. The majority of this state Kentucky fans. Now, there's Louisville fans spread out throughout the
state and they're really passionate too. But in Louisville there's so many on both sides, so many and we all coexist together. So I think to truly understand and feel what this rivalry is, you got to be in Louisville, because there's no other place where you have this many that are all together. And I don't know if it's fifty to fifty, sixty forty, I don't know. I don't care. But you know, some Louisville fans get really
defensive when you mentioned that, because it's normally UK everywhere else. Yeah, outside the city. Yeah, And I would say I choose to believe there are more Louisville fans in this city than there are Kentucky fans. But I don't know that for sure. And I'm not a Louisville fan that's going to act like, oh, there's no way, no, I believe it. Trust me. There's UK fans everywhere, and there's a lot of them here
in Louisville. So because you go to work every day and you probably you know, after they play in basketball, if your team loses, you're you're you're not looking forward to going to work that next day to take to you know, to teach, to take your medicine. And if you are on the winning side, you can't wait to go to work so you can rub it in your colleague's face that you know your team won and you know I rivalries I think are one of, if not the best things that come with
sports, and there's a lot of great things to come with sports. But you know, if if Louisville and Kentucky end up not playing each other in football anymore, which I don't know if that's going to happen, but if the SEC does expand to nine, I mean Stoops and Barnhardt have essentially said that, yeah, they would have to do some real, real, uh you know, soul searching essentially to see if they're if they're going to be brave enough to continue to play their rival, which that is, if that
happens, which I choose to not believe that. I choose to believe that it won't ever happen. But if Kentucky it does not schedule Leivelle anymore because they have to play nine SEC games, that I mean, that would be because Kentucky fans don't want to not play Louisville. Why, I mean, they're not scared. I mean, I don't know if their arrogance is justified, but they have won this matchup quite a bit in football in recent years,
right, and let's be real, last year. I don't know how they would define their season, meaning Kentucky, but they hated their team when louisvill played them last year. You remember how lifeless Kentucky football fans became that week, and then sure enough, they won, and it changed. I think how a lot of them view their season. I'm not claiming that they're acting like they did something substantial and crazy, but they were having a very
underwhelming season. Their coach told them to pony up and pay more money or basically stop bitching about us losing to Georgia. They lost to a bad South Carolina team, like they were having a very They were a very underwhelming year based off expectations, and then they beat Louisville, a top ten team, their rival on the road, and it gave them some good feels. If
you beat you know, let's just say you beat I don't know. Let's say let's say Missouri was that last game on your schedule, and they were they were number, you know, eleven or twelve in the country, and you were having a tough year and you won. Clearly, it'd still be a big win and a nice way to finish up your regular season, but
you wouldn't feel the same as you did when you beat your rival. Like, that's why rivalry matchups, It's one of the many reasons while rivalry matchups are are awesome and they're you know, I just I can't imagine Kentucky deciding to not play it, and you know, and who you looking out for, like your fans would you know? They not, they wouldn't revolt, they wouldn't stop cheering for you, but like it would be just the lamest thing ever. All right, let's do this. Let's get a quick time
out out of the way. We'll come back on the other side, reset some things, and then we'll talk. We'll talk some TV dads. We're gonna do a little TV dad draft here with Father's Day coming up, so stick with us right here on Sports Talk seven ninety Now back to coffee and Company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day, Will Smith easily one of the corniest rappers of all time, but still good, right,
like still good, very clean too, right? Oh yeah, like his hits, I mean I didn't even I didn't know they were corny when I was a kid because I was a kid. But like he had, you know, he had very wholesome hip hop. Yeah, it's like that one right there. Yeah, it's really good, just the two of us and you know, just uh my one of my goats to karaoke songs is the Fresh Prince of bel Air theme song. Okay, that really gets the crowd high up spot. Yeah, it's every everyone knows about it, right.
I do like the uh, I do like little Carlton dance and I'm up there. I get everybody involved, so like it's, uh, there's more to the song than just like the twenty seconds that everyone knows about, Like it's a whole song that Will Smith does. I gotta be honest with you, I'm not sure I knew that. Oh really, yeah, there's everybody knows that the original like the opening, but there's a couple couple of different choruses in there, and that's usually when they played at the party, that's
when everyone stops because I don't know that part. I've never karaoke before, never carryoke, never even been in a position to where like I thought about it or I was asked or I was with somebody who did. I've been to karaoke bars and they're fun, and I've been, you know there with friends who did in fact get on stage. But uh, yeah, I uh never, I've never never been in that position, but I've been.
I've been. I'm not sure what I would do recently. Well, you can let's see if I mean, I mean something to where like I wouldn't really have to like truly expose that I can't sing right, and that also it would be a well known enough song and a popular enough song to where others would sing along with everyone else to where they could kind of drowned out
how bad I would be at singing. That's usually my key because when you get up to karaoke kind of there are the two people that just kind of know that they suck, and then there's someone that really tries to kill it, which I don't. I don't mind that too, but like, I'm not trying. I'm not looking for a serious performance. I'm just looking for you to sing, because by that time, you're like and and you're just
you're just having a good time. I'm ever doing karaoke in my life, which I probably never will, but there's no scenario I would ever do it if I wasn't drunk ye about to be honest, absolutely, And I've been to like I've been to places that you know, Hey, it's karaoke night instead of live music, it's karaoke night, or Hey, we're gonna have karaoke here at this party, and it's all, you know, not serious,
it's kind of whatever. And you have some people that will participate and you're like, wow, they can actually sing pretty good, and then you know some people who are terrible, but it's still fun and funny. I went to is it a Keikos? Yes sets on Bar Center, So I've been there a couple of times, and that to me is like that's that's that's what they do, right, Like, yeah, that's that's their thing.
So I was blown away by how good Like every five people that would that would be up there on stage doing karaoke at Akikos when we went, four of them would be phenomenal, and like that's why they come, because they enjoy singing and they're good at it. And now there'd be one that was either like not very good or were just comically bad and just drunk and
you know, having fun, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, but it was a little intimidating being there and like knowing there's talent there, like people who literally like they're there to show off essentially and have fun of course, because you know, I'm assuming if you can sing and you're good at it, something you enjoy doing. Yeah, there's there's a new bar. I want to give a shout out. It's called ah It's called Mickey's off
Frankfurt Avenue and they're actually a like a Korean restaurant, McKee's. They have some really good raman by the way, and it's like cool. They have updated music, and it's like it's it's because usually you go to some places they'll just have like the machine Box that really doesn't have much probably hasn't been updated technologically since like nineteen ninety nine. Yeah, I went to one.
A couple of weeks ago. Was my co host, Billy's last last day because he moved up to he moved out home right, moved back home to Northern Kentucky and we went up there and it's this guy was looking it up on YouTube, the DJ and then there was like YouTube ads. It was on Amateur Hour. I embarrassed myself because I wanted to sing Fresh Prince and I'm like, nah, dog, I don't need the words to that.
I don't need the words. It turns out I did because you just let me, just let me go to work, is what you were talking. Just well, I fumbled the bag pretty bad, but you know I still need the visual cues, you know, like to come in the three two one or the little circle that's closing, let me know when to pop on. And this this guy was just looking them up like fresh Prince karaoke YouTube. Well, I will say this, I'll never see karaoke in my life, I'm sure, and if I do again, it would be me just
being insanely intoxicated. Yeah, but there's a level of if you are bad, like no big deal because it's karaoke, you know what I mean. Like you weren't there trying to audition for American Idol, So like just that's where karaoke can be fun is because anybody who's up there, they're not there because they think they're going to be famous. They're there to, you know, have fun. And if they think, you know whatever. Uh. This is probably been years since I saw it, but and I don't I
don't know why I thought it was so funny. But I've also seen many other videos since I saw the first time. But people who would go to a tequila or to go to karaoke bar and do the tequila song that only has that word in it. Dona, You just stand up on stage, Dona, nah Tequila. That's all you have to do is wait for that. Actually, actually that would probably be my my karaoke song because that seems
like you would kill that. Yeah, it's safe and although others may see it as a stale, lame attempt to be funny, there'll be at least a few people there that hadn't seen that done before, and they would think it was really funny. Right, all right, let's get into it. Let's get into the serious stuff. We're gonna talk TV dads. Father's Day coming up here on Sunday. Happy Father's Date, all the dad's out there. I'm looking forward to Father's Day for a variety of reasons. I'm a
father myself, looking forward to hanging out with the kids. It may not be something they think of, but I'm sure their mom's gonna tell them. They'd be really nice to me and love on me and give me hugs and tell me I'm great, which you know, I thank you, I'm I'm I'm fine with that if that's what they want to do. I'm also going to hang out with my dad, my stepdad and you know, have a
good Father's Day and tea. The dads, I feel like, have left a bigger imprint on you as somebody who grew up watching certain shows than maybe the TV moms. Maybe that's just me being biased because I'm I'm a dude, I'm a dad, but uh, I think there's been some phenomenal TV dads over the years. And what we're gonna do here is we're gonna do a TV dad draft where three rounds, I'll draft a TV dad, Austin will draft one, and we'll we'll see you know where we end up.
I'll let you start. You get the first overall pick. Are you going to start? Yeah? I wish I had some NFL the music, and then I'm gonna have to go with I hope I'm not sniping this from you, But the show I just mentioned, Fresh Prince of bel Air, I might have to go Uncle Phil. I mean it was called Uncle Phil, but Philip Banks. That's one of the I love that show growing up. It was always on, like you talked about quintessential nineties, it was him
a very supportive dad. Also, if we're just being you know, we're just being crass here. Incredibly rich. You know, he wanted the best out of all of his kids, and you know he took he took in Will. He was a great character in TV history, h Uncle Phil and uh, you got to see him be a father to of course, you know, Carlton and what was Carlson's sister's name, Hillary, Hillary, Yeah, and then of course also be a father figure. But obviously a different
situation with Will. So that's a good one. I'm gonna go with Carl Winslow. Family Matters, Yeah, love. Family Matters was my jam a little before my time. And and you know, everybody called it the Erkele Show and just thought of Erkele, and Erkele was great. But Carl Winslow to me, I mean, gotta be honest with you, I kind of feel like you raised me, Austin. I mean, he was just a he was a law enforcement officer living in Chicago, you know, help protect
and serve the great community of Chicago. Had had a few kids and had to deal with a you know, a nosy neighbor and Steve Erkele, and I just felt like Carl Winslow was like the ultimate badass. And I always felt like when watching that show, he stood out to me to be a great father. So yeah, shout out, Klara Winslow, shout out. So we're doing a snake draft. You're going again or back to back to you. Okay, I got I got one that I feel its kind of
forgotten about. But I'm gonna go Red Foreman number the school, old school Red Forman. Now we talked about you know, Red Forman didn't take no issh right. Red Foreman wanted foots and asses. He was very stern. He didn't want you to a loser. Yeah, that was that was his brand. He didn't he didn't want you to be a loser and just you know, just kind of smoke away in his basement. He wanted something out of you. He was, you know, but he also still loved you
at the end of the day. At the end of the day, he still loved Derek. He was still there for him. But you know, he he let him know a lot of the times, how not proud of his actions and that in that seventies show. You know a lot of us who grew up not in the seventies, we weren't alive then you got us. I mean, I don't think this is just the back in my day crowd. You know, we were tough on kids, but like, I think there's some truth to that. Like I think his you know, not
taking any you know what and being kind of a hard ass. It kind of gave us a sense for what it would have been like to you know, grow up in that time. Yeah, I mean that show, when did that come? I mean that show was really popular in what the early two thousands, I think like maybe mid to late nineties, early two thousands, because I remember watching in the nineties. That sounds about right. So yeah, that's a good one. And I like, you know, I
wouldn't expecting you to go there, but that's that's a good one. I grew up. That was my thing. We alwayd that came on that it was like entertainment Tonight usually on after that. I just remember sitting down and having supper that's what was called in the nineties supper, and then just watching that in red form. And he always made my dad laugh, so like it was he was just it was just a stern headed dude. I'm gonna
go my second pick, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Frank Costanza in Sinfeld because I think Frank Costanza is one of, if not the best characters ever in television. I mean interest It's a little bit of a stretch because I think George Costanza, his son, is probably the best character I've ever seen in a television show. But Frank so good, so funny, and just an all. I mean, I can't relate as if, like
man, I wish he was my dad. He was a you know, because there are plenty of things that happened in Seinfeld that make you think that maybe he's not the best father, but he is a TV dad and he's one of my favorite people ever on television. Jerry still are r I P and I still will. I'll argue this with anybody. Not the exact same, but almost the exact same character. Frankestanza and when he was Arthur Arthur spoon Spooner and King a Queens, I mean a little bit of a difference,
but almost the same character. People and people say the same thing, like, honestly, Carry and Doug were great effidence, But I'm telling you Arthur was probably the funniest guy on the show. Yeah, when he comes along that's when the things start to pick up a little bit, because it's it's hits antics that they have to live up. Yea, and how Doug gets pissed off his outbursts and just like insanely child he's more of a childish character in King of Queens, but in Seinfeld like the I mean, it's
just it's the exact same. So right, that's what I'm going with. Who's Who's your last one? This one is a little bit tough because I kind of want to go cartoon character. But as I'm just looking up just at my big board right now, I don't I don't know if just man, I I guess, I guess I'm gonna go with Phil Dunphy. Okay, I don't know. If I don't know, if you've ever watched Modern Fans. Yeah, I'm not a Minern Family guy, but I know the
show and I know exactly who you're talking about. The show kind of died off for me once everybody kind of like, uh, grew up and outgrew their roles a little bit in my opinion, But he is like the perfect You got two of the kind of Stern fathers and you just got him, who just kind of wants to be your friend. Right, He's like he slips on a banana peel. Sometimes his delivery sometimes isn't there, and he
just he tries to be too cool. But once again, if I'm a little money hungry, they always seem to have like a really very wealthy family. He does well for his job, and I like Phil Dunphy, I can I it is quintessential Dad jokes with him and he just is a meme. So the brand is Dad. Yeah, he's a dad brand. Yeah, all right, my last one, I'm gonna try to be quicker because
no, we've got to get to a quick break. This is probably not when anybody would would would be expecting, and some may not even know who this is if you haven't watched the Netflix show Ozark. But Marty Bird who's played by Jason Bateman, and I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you why, Well you should watch it, but I'll tell you why Marty Bird is up there for me, talk about a selfless dad. Show starts with him finding out his wife is having an affair and the beginning the beginning of
that show. Okay, you have to watch it, Austin. It's a wild sex scene. Just gonna say that. But his wife's his wife's cheating on him. She's about to run off and abandon their entire family with some dude she works with. And yet in the end he ends up realizing that while that's happening, his business associate that he works with is involved with the Mexican cartel, and all throughout the show, which is great, by the way, Marty Bird is just keeping the family together. Oh, we gotta
we gotta work with a Mexican cartel to keep the family alive. I guess that's what I'm gonna have to do. My wife was cheating on me. You know, she sucks, But you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna ride it out with her because I love the kids, and his kids were not good kids in the show, So Marty Byrd. By the way, Jason Bateman's great, but Marty Byrd is It's an off the wall pick for me.
But I feel like he was. He was a selfless dude that I know as a I mean, you never know if you do what he did unless you're in that situation, and God willing, hopefully I never will be. But yeah, good stuff. Do you have any honorable mentions, any last second honorable mentions. We still have another segment, right, it's gonna be brief. Yes, I've got because I've got I've got two honorable mentions. I want to mention on the other side. So we'll get to a
quick break, don't go anywhere. If we had more time than just a minute, I would let this ride because this is I mean, this takes me back. Man Classic my one of my favorite shows. And yes I'm biased, but also a great, great theme song for a television show in the nineties. But you asked me if I had any honorable mentions, and I don't. I mean, there's plenty of other great TV dads that did not again did not get included in our six picks collectively. But I always
find it fascinating that some of like the father figure fatherly advice. I guess it's the best way to describe it. From some TV shows growing up, were characters that did not play a father I'm sure they could have been, but like mister Belding and Saved by the Bell, the Principal, mister Feenie
also a principal who was the neighbor of Eric Matthews, Yeah. And then Wilson, the guy who lived next to Tim Taylor in home improvement who never saw we never saw his face, but he gave a lot of fatherly advice to everybody. Yeah, so good stuff, all right, Happy Father's Day everybody. Austin, thank you so much for helping out this week. Baby, you my friend. I appreciate you a lot of fun. See you guys on Monday. Take care. You're listening to Coffee and Company with Nick Coffe