It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day. Now here's Nick coffee. All right, we got some breaking news here as soon as he went to breaker maybe right at that exact same time. Another commitment in for mister Pat Kelsey, the birthday boy. It is
his birthday today. Another request has been sent at whose birthday was? It was it Jeff Brown's birthday a few months ago, a couple months ago, and somebody asked me to sing Happy Birthday to him just a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, I chose not to, and I'm not gonna sing Happy Birthday at Pat Kelsey, but I will wish him a happy birthday. And his gift is and I'm sure you know, I'm sure he's got plenty of gifts because he's the he's a made man in lowl right. The honeymoon is
is in full effect and it's going really well. And the latest example of that is this commitment from Kahani. Ruth's a former Michigan signee and and we've talked about quite a bit. He visited this past weekend on an official visit and has decided to commit to Louisville. So back to back days commitments for Pat Kelce and this won't count towards your like, this won't do anything as
far as the portal ranking because he's not a portal guy. But if you're adding one freshman and it's a top you know, a top forty, top thirty depending on where you look, player, and he happens to be a
big that clearly you still need to add depth there. I mean again, it won't count towards how Louisville is doing on the on the on you know when it comes to because again I know I talked about it earlier, but everybody's obsessed with looking at every different transfer portal ranking that you can find, rather it be classes or players. So this guy, again, he won't factor into that. But I don't care. If you're gonna get one freshman,
this is a good one to get. And now I guess you have like so right now Louisvill's got this is not in the order, but you've got Chucky Hepburn, Corn Johnson, Terrence said Wards, Javon Hadley, Cason, Pryor Rayin Smith, Kahani, Russ Cater Treira, which, by the way, everybody keeps mentioning him as a Booba car which is his legal name, and like that's what he's listed at it a lot, but like when he gets here, we're gonna learn he goes by cater k A d e
Er is like what is what is what people refer to him as? And then James Scott, So that gives you nine. And then there's two red shirts, Ali Khalifa and Kobe Rodgers, So you have two scholarships left. And I don't think it's crazy to think that it could be Ugo and it could be Noah Waterman. I would rather have Waterman, to be honest with you, because I think he's a better player, but Ugo would give you a little bit more balance when it comes to the true center position. But
happy birthday, Pat Kelsey. I'm happy that you're a coach again. I gotta get better. This is when I said this yesterday, Like wheneverthing like whenever there's good news and like the momentums there and there's good vibes, like it's not new to me, but it's been a while, right, the conversations about Louisville basketball for the last two and really three years, right,
like the last year Mack was terrible. We know that when he left and then Begeeze to go over So for three years, like it's just been conversations that were, you know, for the most part, about not good stuff. And I learned a lot about myself in this position during that stretch because I can't fake it right like I like, for example, it was awkward. Time I've ever had on the air was like when Louisville would randomly win a game, like what do you want me to do? Act like I
think differently? I can't. It'd be fake, it be phony. And if I ever do that, I wouldn't if that's ever what I was like asked to do or expected to do, I wouldn't want to do it because that's just lame. So now I gotta shake the rust off. I mean, because I'm excited, but I also don't, you know, I don't want to just you know, you know, I don't want to go overboard.
But we had a couple of people yesterday when I'd mentioned that, like you forgot how to be a homer, maybe I did, maybe like cardboard needs to be reborn, because I mean, I'm I'm genuinely it's the right word to use her to not be so dramatic and you know, exaggerate too much. If you just said that this was the roster you'd have on May
fifteenth when he took the job, whenever that was. I can't think of the actual date like you you would think, Okay, this guy's going to kill it here, and again, none of us know how things are going to actually work out. You never know, and I believe given the situation, entire new staff, entire new roster, from top to bottom. The best way to describe this season for Pat Kelsey it's it's the ultimate unknown.
But I don't want to brand it as that because that would make it seem as if I'm like, already, you know, we'll see, we'll see, which again, that's true, but just saying we'll see gives people like the ammunition to use against you all you're negative. Oh you're not, You're you know you're not. You're already you know you're the worst. So I'm
excited and now we see what happens with these other two scholarships. I and this isn't just I mean, I can't prove this, but I feel like freshmen that do that are now like the market for freshmen, especially those that aren't, you know, top five players. They don't have the ability to demand as much money, right like they don't. So I don't know how much Kahani Russ really impacts your ability to use in I own money to go
get two more good players. Now, if it's three hundred k for Ugo, I mean, I don't think anybody's paying that, and I hope Louisville doesn't. But Noah Waterman, I'm hopeful that we find out in these next two days that he is working on his visit because that'd be a really good piece. All Right, it's Coffee and Company. We are filed by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven ninety. My name is Nick Coffee the company man
John All on the alongside today. Don't forget to sign up to become a member of the Thornton's Refreshman Awards program if you haven't already, and if you want to give us a call, you can five way two five seven one seventy nine hundred is the number phone lines that are open. John and I were going back and forth during the break and I love this because whenever John and I can take something that we were discussing off the air and kind of
bring it in. I just think it's you know, I enjoy doing that because John's a big part of this show. He's an IU fan. I think everybody knows that if you're somewhat new to the show. I guess we haven't talked about the Hoosiers as much, but he's every day. He wears his candy stripe pants every day. Tom Hole office notes, Tom Crean, And what's the guy who you guys fired, Archie Miller? No, the football coach, Tom Allen. He's a Tom Allen Archie Miller guy. Like
he's a Hoosier through and through, and I'll give him credit. While all the other Indiana fans were bitching and acting like Mike Woodson needed to be fired, like John was level headed. He realized, Look, I'm not telling you it's gonna work out. I'm not saying he's gonna win a national championship. But those thinking that, like they should make a move, now go
play in traffic. He didn't say that, he wouldn't a lot of those people are horned up now, Yeah, they're horned up for Mike Woodson, who they have right to be. I still actually believe that when you consider, like, don't just go off the portal rankings, although if you look in certain areas you'll see Indiana number one. And I get it. They've done really well in the portal. But what they also did is they kept everybody you'd want to keep, like roster management for Mike Woodson this offseason.
I don't think it could have gone any better. And I mean that. So they've got one scholarship left now or will it be one if they? If they, if they, Hatton is on his visit right now, and he's still projected to commit to Indiana. I believe so if he commits to all be left with one scholarship. Okay, So he said something along the lines and I I don't want to misquote you, but like, if they, if Louisville has all their scholarships accounted for before Indiana, I said,
not be embarrassed by it. Yeah, And I just think that's one unfair to Indiana. But it also gets me back to something that I've mentioned here and there that now Louisville could be in that same situation that is not an attractive spot for a player in the portal that wants to play. I mean, it's just not unless, like you know, somehow they got Coleman Hawkins
to come in. But at that point, you know what, you might lose one of the guys you landed in the portal in all seriousness, because that's I mean, I don't really know if you've got anybody that's at his position. Obviously you're bringing back not where. But it's the other guy that
oh uh Malik renewed. Yeah, and he's he's phenomenal. So I just think, like for you know, we'll see, but I think Louisville will have a better chance of filling theirs, more so than Indiana because at Louisville, at least you can say, well, hey, there's nobody that's like returning from playing to twenty five minutes, like it's everybody's new. And you know, I think Javon Hadley's a really good player that's going to help a
lot. I think Trey or from Long Beach State is like the most undervalued guy they've added at this point, but other players might not think that because they've probably never heard of them. So Indiana, again, you've landed. I mean, I think it's the athletic maybe or is maybe it's a twenty four seven has the MIT number. Well, at least last time I looked, they were number one. Might have changed. Not even talking team rankings,
I'm talking I'm talking like players specifically. There's Canaan Carlisle was in the top ten, Miles Rice as top fifteen or twenty. You'll had like four dudes in the top twenty five. Good he was, but I'm sure he was up there as well. So what I'm getting at is with that, who, like, that's not an attractive spot to go take unless you're just literally trying to go play for a big ten program and you are willing to maybe you know, have to work your way up from like third on,
you know, third in line to play at a certain position. Well, I think best case scenario, at least from what would make sense for a player, you find a freshman who was maybe underrecruited, somebody who's not a big name, just to kind of fill that scholarship. Maybe it doesn't really matter if you fill it, but you find somebody who wants to kind of cut their teeth play against a good, you know, roster in practice and
then maybe turn it into something or transfer later on. And here's what's great because if it doesn't work out after year one and they realize the heart they like. For example, Joey Hart. Remember everybody was horned up for Joey Hart last year. Yes, because he was one of the late guys available that really broke out as a senior playing in the state of Indiana. And he goes to Kentucky and did he play a second maybe? And then he
hit the Portland where'd he end up? Ball stat So like that tells you that he he was Like that's that's more so like the the the mac or the Missouri Valley is more so his level. So I think, what you like? I know we're not supposed to tamper, but like if I'm Mike Woodson, I talked to some high school coaches and let him know, like, hey, your boy signed with you know, Valpo, but I kind of like him. Let's see what hen do, like do something like that.
And by the way, like that's just what happened last week with Trent Noah at South Carolina. He knew that Kentucky may be interested, So what did he do? Ask for a release from his letter of intent? Two days later, maybe a day later, he ends up at Kentucky. So the reason I really bring all this up is because I do agree for the most part, like in you know, from what it's we're adjusting to this new world with the portal, but leaving scholarships open his lame. Would you
agree, Yes, it's not a good look. He left one open last year, but it But I think in this day and age, it is understandable how that happens. I would agree with you. Now you can. What you should do there is give it to a walk on. Did they do that at all? I don't think they did last year, but that's just weak. The pardicament they found themselves in last year with the open scholarship is that Jakai Newton was injured, who was a freshman incoming freshman, and
so you technically had two open scholarships for the entire season. Then Xavier Johnson gets hurt. You have three essentially three scholarships open for a good portion of your season. And you saw how things went for the for Indiana last year exactly. So you know, Louisville may leave a scholarship open, and if they do, they'll probably give it to the walk on that they have.
Indiana may leave a scholarship op. But I just think like Cali Perry used to do it, and to me it was legitimately like that's you not doing your job, like that's that's what that looks like. But now it is harder, like you're to truly fill it out. You're gonna have to maybe go get a guy that, like you know, you don't want or need, but hey, let's go fill it like I actually think it should be.
And that's like if they get the kid from from Hatton, the kid from from from Bellerman, who'd be a good a nice addition for them, just giving him more depth. I would expect them to give it to I would want them to give it to a walk on rather than than than leave it open. But it's like Dabos Sweeney, he doesn't use the portal. Therefore, they're going to give all their scholarships to walk ons or they're going
to have like twenty scholarships available. And I think you could you know, I'm getting a little bit of ahead of myself here, but I think you could legitimately make the case that that is somebody just kind of abandoning part of their job duty. I mean, I know that's a hot take but like, that's not crazy. If you bring in players and they choose to leave and transfer and you don't go fill those spots, like that's kind of not doing your job. It makes it I know, I said this a few
days ago. It makes it easier to be fired if you don't have better seasons than the upcoming years. I know they haven't had terrible seasons Clemson, but they've been kind of slowly taking steps backward over the past two or three seasons. I feel like, and I remember Chris Mack told me this in twenty twenty or twenty nineteen, whenever they had just brought in the top ten class at that time, David Johnson, Sam Williams and those guys, you
know they in their next round. They were I mean, there were four dudes they were in really good shape with and literally thought they had Luke Murray thought they had them, and jam and Breakfield ended up. Duke the kid here locally that was playing at Spire Academy, ended up at Kansas, Caleb Love ended up at North Carolina, and there was one other one. Oh, Devin, ask you who, by the way, he's still available in the portal. I think he ended up at Kentucky, and you know,
they lost four dudes. They thought they were in good shape with to Duke Carolina, Kentucky and Kansas, and like sounds like an excuse, but like sometimes if you're in the trenches with those programs, you're gonna lose more than you're gonna win. And I remember Mac told me we're not going to adjust what we're gonna do because of that, and at that time I think it
made sense. Well, now you can because you know what, it's not a four year commitment and technically it's been a one year renewal every time you have a scholarship, but like you know, your scholarship is a one year renewal at the college level. But it was a different world. You just assumed, hey, I'm gonna take this kid who's a freshman who I know will not help me in a big until he's twenty years old, maybe the
end of his sophomore year, because that was how it works. Now it's not like you can take a guy knowing, hey, if he doesn't work out, he'll read the room and leave. So it's just different. It's just different. And imagine if I mean I was about to take it, take it take a turn down a dark path here, John, I'm gonna try to I'm going to try to convey what I wanted to say, but
not really go all the way there. But like Canny Payn would probably still be our coach if the Portal didn't exist, because he would have the excuse. He would have kind of the tom creen excuse. I still choose to
believe. We'll never know, but I choose to believe that it was so bad that it would not have mattered, and the toxicity was in the program, the unprofessionalism, like it was so bad that you know, even if none of these guys could have left, it's you know, you still would have He still would have made You still would have been justified in making the decision because you're Louisville and he's that bad. But you're you're right, though the excuse would have been there, like, Hey, what do you want
me to do? I can't get any players because of the cloud, and I'm stuck with these guys because they can't leave and we need bodies. Like the portal. I know some people don't like it, but Louisville recently, like doesn't seem like you've really benefited from it because again we've were coming off three years where Louisville basketball. I feel comfortable in saying this, and this is probably I mean, this is not a big bold thing to throw out
there. I'm thirty five. I hope to live three thousand years, but I feel comfortable on however long I live, they'll never be a three year stretch that just like the one that just happened at Louisville, because they'll just never be that bad. But the portal existing led to you now being in this position where you could easily move on from Kenny Payne. And now Pat
Kelsey has an eye, all money to use. He's got the brand of Louisville, although it's not what it was, you know, five years ago, and they put together a roster that it's not just Louisville fans, folks, it's those who cover college basketball. They're not throwing them in the top twenty five or you know, putting them penciling them in as a second weekend
team just yet. But he's done a really good job with how he's put these pieces together, and it gives you, I think, justification to be super excited and think that you could be a tournament team in year one. We'll never know right until we get there, and we got many months before that happens. But it's like the portal, it's gonna hurt us at times, right, it hasn't yet because the the in this world of the portal, who's left Louisville that you're like, damn, like why we were rolling?
We ain't been rolling, guys, We've been awful. So like even good players that you like, with them leaving, you understand why you do the same thing probably if it was you. So maybe Louisville will have a really good year and bring back a guy that was your fourth leading score putting up nine a game, and you feel like he's about to elevate to a bigger role the next year, Well maybe somebody comes in and says, look, you're gonna be our guy. We'll give you you know, this amount
of money, Like that's just what it is now. It's so much more transactional than it's ever been. But we're here to say this because again, Louisville has no results as far as like what matters in recent years that I would feel anything other than disgusted about. But because we're in this new world you can now, Like last year, I never thought it for a second
Louisville would be good because of who was leading the program. But can he put together on paper a top five, top three class depending on where you look, Trey White, sky Clark, those were guys in the portal that, like other schools wanted. So I'm pro portal, folks, I'm pro portal. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side. Keep this thing rolling along. You think could we be on commitment watch for the kid from Bellarne for Indiana? Yeah you think, I hope so?
Would that be the first time? It's actually no, You guys have landed some commits during the show, right, Ballow was the same day as a show, but it wasn't during the show. Yeah? Is it Balla or Ballow? I think you're saying it more? Pretty sure. I know it's Umar. I've heard enough people around Indiana say Umar now, but I believe it's Umar Balow. He still got a big bag from Indiana, which you know, if the market's what we think it is, he's worth it.
He's a really good player. But man, when you commit early in this in this stuff, you just you get kind enough forgotten about, like nobody like doesn't remember you. But he was the first big name, oh yeah, no doubt. And Indiana added like three more big ones after that. All Right, so it sounds like there's some uh, some confusion on who Kentucky. I mean, well, I think we know who Kentucky's all
in on right now, the kid from North Florida. But I think there's been some confusion as far as Okay, is he visiting is he not? And that would be a good get for Mark Poe. But just like everybody else, if you've got, you know, some spots open and you feel like you really need to add some umph to your roster, there aren't that many guys left. I don't go anywhere. It's coffee and Company. We are feel about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Where are you
getting this weezf Baby John? Because I mean there's no way you remember this song, right. No, Lil Wayne was a big deal from the end of the mill is a big deal. He's your mouth. Oh he's a he's a legend. He ruled the lead two thousands, early twenty tens. Doesn't mean he's irrelevant. He's an all time legend. I you know, I know people like go back to Tupac or Biggie and they were great.
But you know, I can't claim like I was, you know, really uh you know, into the hip hop scene when they were in their prime, because I was like, you know, four years old or something. But everybody loves jay Z. I think jay Z's fine. I don't think he's just not my cup of tea as much people think he's like the greatest of all time. I think Lil Wayne is is in that in that category because he's in you're he doesn't do as much now, I mean because he
doesn't need to. But I feel like he used to be featured in every topty song. No he what he would do. I mean he he was featured in a lot of stuff, but uh, you know his mixtapes, which I mean he couldn't generate. He would take songs and take the instrumental, take the eat of it, and do a whole mixtape where he just does a little he just you know, doesn't even put a chorus on it, just does the song just straight, you know, not a freestyle,
but just you know, do you know what Little Wayne does? And unfortunately, like if he got a hold of your song, it would be remembered as his more than yours, just because that's what he did. I mean, he's and obviously he's from Louisiana, from New Orleans. And when I went away to school at Saint Catherine College at that time, I mean I already knew who Olawayne was. He was clearly a you know, probably at
that time two thousand and six. I mean that song you just played, I think is from I think it came out my senior year maybe, But
anyways, like I knew who he was. But there were a bunch of guys on our team at Saint Catherine College from New Orleans, and it was guys who did not get to finish high school so they had to go to Juco route because of Hurricane Katrina. So my roommate Rashad, you know, all he had playing at all times, all hours of the night and day was a bunch of old Wayne mixed tapes that I wasn't exposed to yet.
And like it just because I got hooked at that point, and like he was God to them because he's you know, they're from they're from New Orleans as well, and he was at that time. I feel like it is when he's really kind of emerging as like not just the dude who used to always just be with Birdman and cash Money, Like he became like a star himself. So, uh, that song there. We warmed up to that song, oh yeah, in in my senior year of high school. So
I appreciate you playing You didn't know that. I didn't know that, but I'm glad you played that. And let's keep the disrespectful Lil Wayne in a minimum here, And you didn't just you didn't disrespect him, but like you know, it makes total sense. It's one of those things where I got to I got to come to grips with the fact that, like, yeah, Lil Wayne, you view him differently than than than I do, because
you know, you're a lot younger than me. Will you quit being so much younger than me, Like get it together, dude, Like, hey, at least Wayne at least very familiar. Actually it's a good Like how many people do you think, like wouldn't know who that is? I bet most of the gen z like high school kids know who he is, right, they probably see him as like a legend, like you said, Yeah,
they probably don't listen to him. Nowadays. My guess something that I find to be entertaining on TikTok is the high schools or maybe even middle schools. There are and I'll show you when John Jess you see, you know what I'm talking about, and I'm gonna try my best to describe it. And I'm sure some of you probably have seen it. But a teacher will walk up to like eight to ten different people within the school. It could be somebody that's like a senior in high school, junior in high school.
It could be somebody that's a teacher that's older, could be somebody that's a teacher that is younger, and they'll say, like the first five lyrics of like a really popular song in a certain era, like you know, for example, I'm I'm gonna test you, and again, if you get this wrong, it's totally understandable because of your age. What did Master P make him say? I don't know what he made him say. He made him say uh, And then I just say say, oh, no, no,
and you have no clue what I'm talking about. Right, So yeah, So like people my age are older would know that if you are probably fifty plus, you may not know that, like it's a you know that people that are you know, around my age or maybe ten fifteen years older. But other than that, like it would he would be understandable if you're like sixteen, you don't know what that is. And they ask certain students and like a lot of them don't know. But then you'll go to the
you like, there are younger teachers, you know. I mean, like you know, probably like your wife's a teacher, right, she's close to your age, right, same age, same age, Yeah, so you know she wouldn't know that either. And that's where I'm like, holy crap, Like these are people teaching, and a lot of the comments say the
same thing, and it's so true. It's like, holy crap, we're the adults now, like we mess we're we are the old like we're the people who like we like that's to us, that's still like music we would listen to in the gym if we're getting ready to go, you know, have a wild night and go to the bar. We might play this music because it's it's our era, right, But the younger people wouldn't even know what the hell talking about or what it is. They're into the dua Lipa
and yeah, Billie Eilish. I don't even know who Dua Lipa is, but you know Billy Eilish, right, yeah, girl right? Yes, yeah, and she's kind of like indie pop. Yeah. But Olivia Rodrigo, it's another upcoming pop star. I've heard that name, but I couldn't tell you a single thing. So anyways, shout out to Lil Wayne, all right if you are just not joining us. Another one came in for Pat Kelsey on his birthday, and some have asked me how old he is. I don't know. I could easily look it up, but I don't
have it in front of me right now. I'm gonna guess that Pat Kelsey is. I'm gonna guess he's mid forties, just to guess forty eight. Okay, a little older than I thought, but ye, Happy birthday, Pat Kelsey. He landed Kahani Ruth's The four Star, top forty, top
thirty, depending on where you look. The freshman who was previously committed to Juwan Howard and obviously decided to reopen his commitment once that once that firing happened of Juwan Howard, and I don't really know of a lot of the I know Dusty May was still trying to get him, and I know George Jim made a late push, but also it came down. You know, Louisville
looked like they were in good shape. They brought him in for an official visit, and sure enough, two days after or three days after the visit ended, he decided to commit. Which it is wild, and I'm not knocking anybody. I love that we are this excited and there's so much anticipation. I love it. But because he hadn't committed by Tuesday after his visit over the weekend, like there were some people like, well guess we guess we messed that up or whatever it may be. And that's just to me,
that's crazy. But I like when we are crazy, because again, we have never been so desperate and just starved for Louisville basketball to have success. And I think Pat Kelsey right now has given us a really good reason to believe that there's gonna be some success in year one. And I'm not talking about being better than Kenny Payne. I'm talking about, you know, competitive in your league, fighting for a spot on the tournament and maybe more.
I don't think that that's out of line. I don't think that's unfair to throw that out there, And I know Pat Kelsey wouldn't want anybody to like, hmmm, it'd be a pretty good year if they could sniff the bubble. No, he wants to win, like that's what he's driven to do, and that's what he does. He's done it everywhere he's been. You know, can he do it here? Only time will tell. But there's certainly a lot to like at this point. I'll tell you what I
don't like. Jim Phillips, so I mentioned earlier, Jim Phillips. You know, he kind of sucks. He's the leader of the ACC. The ACC needs great leadership right now. Anytime this guy talks, I feel less confident that the ACC is going to survive, and that's unfortunate. Now,
some of it is not really his doing. And Florida State and Clemson leaving and wanting to leave, that's not really his fault either, right, Like he inherited the ACC having this crazy awful scenario that Swafford left them with where they're locked into their grant of rights and no revenue added. From twenty sixteen to twenty twenty thirty six, every other league. It's been like five six
years max. And then you reset and then you you know, renegotiate it and at that point, you know, times have changed, right, cost of living is different, more money is available in the TV market, so some of it is not as doing. But man, anytime I hear him
talk, I feel again like he just doesn't. He doesn't seem like somebody that's really got a play in and how to fix this And maybe again it's unfixable because I can't tell you what he should be doing, but I just know the when I hear him, and you know, I hear of things that they're doing at these ACC Spring meetings, I'm thinking, like, get this guy out of here. At least give somebody else a fighting chance to save this league, because I don't because one thing I do feel comfortable in
saying is he's not going to be the guy to do it. So we'll start with this yesterday at the ACC Spring meetings, the basketball coaches that were there. Let me see if I can pull up the actual details here, because I don't. I don't want to get it wrong. But let's see here. Yeah, so this is from this is from let's see Andrew Carter
who is a writer for the News Observer in the Uh. Yeah, the News and Observer in the I guess the Carolina area covering the ACC, he says yesterday, And he prefaced it by letting everybody know this is not a joke, but he says. ACC men's basketball coach has heard from ESPN bracketologist Joelnardi at spring meetings today about how the league can get more teams in the NSAA tournament. Lenardi was invited as a guest here to give a talk by
commissioner Jim Phillips. What is the purpose of that? Have you heard that yet? John? No, that's first I'm hearing that. That seems very still elaborate. Yeah, I mean he's not the guy who puts the plague together. He does not determine who makes the NCAA tournament. He has no
say so he cannot. I mean it's pretty easy too, by the way, Like, don't lose to teams in November and December that teams have never heard of, because that that is a big factor, right, Like you can't beat up on each other in the ACC when you've lost to you know, Popcorn State in a neutral site game in December, like and claim, what are you going to do? This league is so good. I actually
give credit to the Big twelve. They doctored the system. They played bums in the non conference and then they beat up on each other and they would get the benefit of the doubt, and it actually manipulated the net because they played teams they're so bad they beat them by forty and it benefits them. You know, the ACC. Not everybody in the league is out there, you know, putting together a really competitive schedule. In fact, some some
teams don't do that at all. But you know, have some notable opponents on your non conference, be competitive and beat a couple of them if you want to make the tournament, and then don't lose to the teams that are you know, quad three losses. Like you know, don't you need Jolin already to tell us that, Like it just to me, it screams, oh my god, Commissioner of the ACC, think that Joeln already left these teams at home, Like what a dumbass? Like what what is the point
of that? It's so stupid. It's kind of cringey getting so hot. I don't know, but it's just just lame, Like it's just stupid reminds me of this, by the way, Oh boy, yeah, do you know who I was? Mickey Mouse? Yeah, Mickey Mouse. I still I wish I remembered the context of that. I think we talked about it. I don't know where that. I don't know why that happened. Oh you need is a little magic that sounds doctored. But I guess that is
my voice. It sounds like somebody did some medity, some post production on that voice. I've always wanted a reason to play that. No I do, so you know, I don't. Yeah, I don't know why. You know, I don't know why they did that. But it just it's just a bad It's not hard, it's it's horrible, it's but it's just a stupid look like And again that's the reason that the the reporter that is they're covering these meetings had to let people know I'm being serious, I'm not
joking. This happened like it's just so stupid. Also, just don't say things to make it look like you're inept and you don't really know what's going like you don't even know what like what's going on. And that was the addition. So SMU and Callan stand for those are the three teams joining the ACC. So SMU officially joins the league on July first. Callen Stanford don't
officially join until August the second. Like I would be willing to bet that it could just be somewhat of like a contract situation with their previous league, right, Like that's probably what it is. So on the record, podium or maybe not podium, but like you know, whatever they're doing there,
like he went on. I know he went on the ACC network and talked to Andrew Aedelson and talked about Florida state snub last year and all that, But this was something a lot of people shared as a quote, So I'm assuming it's not like an exclusive interview, like he was probably doing like a media scrum, answering questions from people. And his answer was, I have no idea why. I guess it happens, like you should know why, like you should know why, I you know, and you can blame it
on the other league. But like to just be all, I have no clue. I don't know why happens. Like what it goes back to me sitting there at the ACC media days in whatever it was he was introducing and he became the new guy, took over for Swofford, and it wasn't as if he said anything outlandish that I'm like, wow, I can't believe he said that. But it's like how you like, you just don't give off any any type of vibe that you are somebody that's got your crap together and
you're gonna get this thing figured out. Because, make no mistake about it, the league is in trouble now. I can't present like a great solution,
but it's in trouble. And I think the only scenario where and you're already losing Clemson in Florida State, at least they're trying to leave, and I can at least give them some credit for like not like not living in this fake world of like, oh, everything's okay, we're all in this together, because everybody would leave if they could get out if they had a
landing spot. Of course, there's certain school like that, no matter what if Boston, if the ACC just goes away like Boston College screwed, wait for it, screwed. So the only scenario where you could in fact potentially ride through this and get everybody back together isn't is if in fact there was a collective buy in to say, look, it's all beneficial for everybody.
If we stick together, we become a better league by winning, and then whenever the new deal is up for negotiation, we can ask for more money. But they're not going to do that if they keep having this guy lead it, because there's no reason to feel like he's going to get it worked out. And I don't blame him. I can't sit here and tell you that the reason Florida State decided to, you know, take the gloves off and say, look, we're final lawsuit. This granted rights is bs where
we want to leave Clemson to the same thing. I can't say that they did that because they heard Swafford and felt like he's, you know, a sackless leader. But it certainly can't. I mean, it certainly didn't help their the you know, the probability of them wanting to stick around. And it is weird, like and this is something that just sounds like silly,
but I get why it's being reported. With the lawsuits going on and with both schools wanting out, they did have to report that because of this, Like it was like a newsworthy thing that despite the situation legally, Clemson and Florida State representatives were allowed to be present during all meetings and all conversations,
which I would think, well, of course they will. But then again, like if you're suing and you're trying to leave, like I think the ACC would actually have the right to tell you like no, like why would we You're you're gonna be leaving. Why would we talk about very important things that like you know, won't pertain to you when and you're gonna be competition
essentially if you land in the big ten of the SEC. But I'd say the reason they're letting them do it is because it really isn't any in everybody's best interest in the league if Clemson in Florida State don't win this and they have to stick around. But we'll see. I mean, everybody who you know has some type of illegal background that has provided commentary on this whole situation, I've not heard any of them, and I can't you know, sit
any of them. But like those who have actually got a look at the grain of rights, like they're screwed, like you signed it, like you you you knew what you were doing when you signed it, and now you have remort you have buyer's remorse, and like a contract's a contract for a reason. All right, quick break will come back on the other side, wrap up the four o'clock hour. I feel like I'm really like animated right now. I don't know why. What do you think's gotten into me?
I don't know what it is? Sometimes it just happened, Like, yeah, you would think I would like I don't hate Jim Phillips. I just think he's lousy. But like I just I don't know. I feel like I need a cigarette or something. Don't go anywhere. All right, So we've got some some recommendations here on some other songs. I should start with like the like the first part of the chorus and see if you can finish the song. There's no like this is the one that I feel like you
have a better chance of getting than the last one. Okay, but if you get it wrong, like it's also understandable. Who did Outcast apologize to? Who did they apologize to? Is this from hey, y'all? Or is this from you haven't? I don't know who the I don't know who they apologized to. They said I'm sorry. Who do they say they're sorry to? Outcast? I don't know miss Jackson. Miss Jackson, see I'm familiar with the song. Sorry, miss Jackson, I am for real,
never you know, not coming to you. I know the song, Okay, so like you know what song I'm talking about. I'm not very good with lyrics, especially well no, no, no, no, like it's I mean that would make like that song came out when I was in seventh grade. So how were you seventh What year was that seventh grade? I probably would have probably like probably would have been like right around two thousand is
even three? Yeah, Like it makes total sense. But people my age hear that and think like, initially, how do you not know that song? That's not that old? When you think like, oh wow, it is old, that was the song. Then it went to when it's a big hit though, you think it's just timeless and that everybody should have been
nearly heard it. But I've not heard enough to wreck it. And I feel like the other song which play it, play it after the next break the master p. So for those who do, how do we even get
on that? Like I played Lil Wayne Yeah, so yeah, so I reference like these tiktoks that I find to be funny, but also just to make me feel old is where these people that are in school, they'll they'll go up and ask, like, you know, young teachers the same thing out as David John, and like they won't get it, and you'll think, like wow, like how do you not know that? And it's because they're probably John's ads are younger to like if they heard the song, they
know it. But just by referencing that like someone my age, it's a no brainer. But like you know, the repetition of that song being played over and over, like is not there with you because you were young? Give me one more. I gotta I feel like I can get it all. I'll think of another one, okay, because the ones that people sin in like there's one I don't even know what they're talking about. But I
like that you will enjoy the challenge. But uh yeah, all right, so real quick before we hit to the top of the hour, some more from the ACC meetings. A really good write up that I just tried to read the majority of it there during the break from Bret McMurphy of The Action Network, and he prefaced the tweet by saying, last year it was the Magnificent seven for the ACC you guys remember that there was the Magnificent Seven that were you know, I guess like banding together to try to you know,
get out of the league or something. This year, it's just the lawsuits. And he says from Double Trouble, which again, that's your two bigger brands in the league that you would want to maintain. You want to keep Florida StatET and Clemson are both suing you, and they and they won out of the league. But and this is this goes back to what I just
mentioned a moment ago. There's zero incentive for the ACC to settle. I mean, and why would they, Like they could get a lot of money, but that would just be like, you know, to leave in the will for the rest of the league. It would kill it. If you let them leave, you are killing the ACC because you cannot There is not anywhere close to a valid replacement for either of those teams. So I know
they won out, and I get it. If Louisville could get out and go to the Big ten of the SEC, I mean it, it'd be weird initially, but if it's for if it's for the benefit of like the longevity of the program, then yeah, you would do it. You got to look at it, and it's it's all about survival. At this point, the power five is no longer the power five in football because the Pac
twelve is dead. So as much as it'll be awkward, they don't need to settle, they need to keep them here and make sure that like, because the best case scenario for everybody involved is that they do in fact stick together and they improve their value by being better. And I don't really know how you you know, there's nobody adding the two California schools Stanford and Cal and SMU. It puts you in market you aren't end But as far as
like a television market bump, you're not really getting it. Like you can claim that you are in those areas, but like it's not going to lead to Okay, now you're gonna get a forty percent increase. So as far as just survival of the league, there is no benefit at all to let
these two schools out of their deal. Like, don't settle, right because whatever the whatever it is, however many millions it is, if you took like eighty percent of it and let them walk, Like, yeah, that'd be a lot of money, but again it would to me, it would
be the death nail of the league. And there's because of how the game of musical chairs has played out here in conference re alignment in recent years, with Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten, with the Big Twelve benefiting from a lot of the leftovers in the PAC twelve, Oklahoma Texas obviously going to the SEC. Like, if you lose your top dogs there, you're
not replacing them with anything close to what you are losing. And I don't know if we're gonna get to it, because it depends on where the five o'clock hour takes us. But Devil Sweeney asked about the transfer portal, and you know how he doesn't use it, and his response was very typical dabble, like it's not gonna surprise you when you hear it. But I want to ask this question. I feel like any other coach in the country if they were to take this approach and say what he said, their fans would
be all over since weird man, it's like a cold or something. They do weird stuff. The Clemson I think, all right, don't go anywhere. One more hour left right here. Coffee and Company. Fiel be Thorton's on Sports Talk seven to ninety