It's time for coffee and company, fueled by Thornton's on Sports Talk seven nine day, Now here's Nick Coffee. One of the things that I have not discussed today, and it really isn't something you know that I'm just eager to dive into and discuss. But it is a big story and that is the uh the UK swimming coach lawsuit, which in fact it's a lawsuit, uh that is that is from former swimmers at the University of Kentucky. And the
only reason I'm bringing up it starts five o'clock hours because Tim Sullivan. You know how Sully does. I mean, he's got the he's the Capitol j he's got the sharpest pencil in town. And he's going to get to the bottom of it, right. I mean, there's gonna be no scenario.
Mitch Barnhart talked about it yesterday, but he said Tim Tim Sullivan said he spoke with one of the one of the attorneys for the one of the former swimmers at the University of Kentucky who is suing the University of Kentucky as well as their former swim coach, Lars Jorgensen's because of his alleged sexual violence. But apparently there's gonna be a press conference from that attorney I think Wednesday.
Yeah, there'll be a zoom press conference Wednesday to discuss the case. So, I mean when that happens, doesn't it typically mean that they're eager to like really, I mean, this is the attorney for those suings, so I'm sure they're going to probably just discuss the heinous allegations that are made by the swimmers that this attorney's representing. So Barnhart was asked about it yesterday and said that, you know, he can't comment on it, cannot comment on
it because it's illegal matter, which I assume it's probably the truth. But at some point, I mean, they're going to need to defend them else, and they will in court, I'm sure. But I mean, here's
just a little bit of what is alleged in the lawsuits. So, based on interviews and documents obtained by the UK from UK via an open records request and the complaint, the allegations against their former coach include this, he raped two members of the swim team of following their team Christmas parties at his home, raped one of the individuals in hotels on team trips, and I'm not
gonna say the word. It's not something I can't say. But you know, did something to himself in front of his players in his office, sent a member of the of the women's swim team photos of you know it, sent him chaft shots and just videos of himself, you know, being in ultimate creep. And then he told different sex stories about himself two members of the swim team and talked to them often about women he fantasized about having sex
with. He asked swimmers about their sexual experience and commented on their their bodies and just an all around slim bag. But it says here the last one I'll read before and if you want to. The Athletic has the full story with all the allegations if you want to check it out. But it says he implemented punishment workouts in violation of the NCAA policy, made degrading comments,
and body shamed the swimmers. He also withheld food from athletes after poor performances and assigned extra workouts to swimmers whose body fat percentage exceeded a limit he determined. He told one swimmer she reminded him of the fat people that walked around the mall. So that's a bad look. And really what makes it awful is that before he was hired by Kentucky there are emails from I don't want to get the school wrong, because you know, having this guy affiliated with
your program in any way and your school is not a good look. But I believe it was a school in the mac that's where he came from before Kentucky hired him. And during that process a former player at one of those schools had reached out to UK to let them know about this guy, and they didn't you know, and they didn't pursue it, or didn't you know they didn't take I shouldn't say they didn't pursue it. I don't know. Maybe we'll find out that they vetted that information and found it to be not
true. But either way, this is a bad look overall. So at press conference Wednesday, I mean, I guess Kentucky, the University of Kentucky and Mitch Barnhardt, they're probably going to do what their lawyer told them to do, which is shut up. Well, we'll fight this out in court
and defend ourselves there. But the more these these victims and their attorney talk, I think the more people are gonna want, you know, the University of Kentucky to at least do something and say something, but they probably won't, So just a messy situation all around. Anyways, welcome in our number three Coffee and Company. We are feeled by Thornton's here on Sports Talk seven
to ninety new era in this state for both basketball programs. We've known that, which is why I said at the start of the show, it kind of feels like we're picking up or we left off on Friday. But with Kentucky fans completely filling Rapperini yesterday for a press conference, I think it's safe to say that they're all in on Mark Pope. I think it's safe to say Louisville fans are all in on Pat Kelsey, and that alone is exciting
for the rivalry. Now. I hope Kentucky and Mark Pope lose every game, and you know, none of us know how anybody's really going to do, but the fact that we both have something, there's some renewed energy here in the rivalry, which has me certainly excited. But because of it being a rivalry, I know we are in very similar situations with these two fan bases where neither side ever thought the guy that's currently the coach that as the
title head men's basketball coach at Louisville or Kentucky. Pat Kelsey Mark Pope were not names that a month ago any of us thought were realistic and probably wouldn't have even taken it serious. I mean, is that fair to say, Joan, you're an outsider a month ago on March fifteenth? If I would have told you that Mark Pope would be Kentucky's coach and Louisville would have Pat
Kelsey, you know. Or let's say you told fans that, they would not believe you, right, they would think there's no laughed at Jeff Goodman from Pat Kelson. That's right. So it kind of played out exactly the same. You have panic, you have fear because first of all, maybe there's I mean, I don't know if it's shame embarrassment, but around here
the fan bases are really prideful about their program and Louisville. Again, I get it, there's some easy jokes to be made there because Louisville won twelve games in two years, but it's still a great program in a great job, and I honestly thought more than anything. The reason Louisville wouldn't go in that direction is because of how important it is to not take a step back
here. Then again, let's be real, like how many we're in a new era here right where a lot of these guys that are that are really emerging as the elite tier on the younger side, right, the up and comers, if you will, they're they're doing it via the mid major route and getting an opportunity to bigger level and they're and they're knocking it out of the park. So you know, I just thought Louislle wouldn't do it, not because you know we're better than that, because like, we can't risk
it. We'll go get somebody, We'll go get tom cream before we get a guy who's never played in the tournament or never won a game in the tournament. But sure enough, you know I was wrong, and I now realize that, and this is something we talked about before. Right. You want a guy that's hungry, You want a guy that would want that wants to be here so badly that he'll be fine with knowing he wasn't the top
choice, but he will absolutely thrive. Well I shouldn't say thrive but he'll he'll take advantage of the opportunity that he has and either succeed or die trying, because that's how hungry he is to really excel at a at this level. So you know, we're all and I mean all fans on each each
side are are, you know, feeling great about the future. But the one thing I feel like we can you know, on the Louisville side, Like, I mean, why were there why were there so many grown ups talking about tears yesterday at Rupperna, Like I love this stuff, right, It's something I still can't believe I've able to, you know, turn it into a career for me where I get to just yap about these teams locally
and it's awesome. And you know, I talk all the time about the rivalry being so much different in Louisville because you experience it just at a different level because there's so many of both sides in this humongous city. I mean, it's not one of the bigger cities in America, but you know what
I mean, and we all co exist together. So I love the rivalry, but what would bring genuine like you know, everybody's got certain things that bring tears to their eyes, but the amount of grown men tweeting out how they couldn't stop crying while Mark Pope talked what about it? Like gave you the I mean, I just don't get that. I can't relate. I'm not judging, because you know, I'm sure there's things that'll bring tears to my eyes that you guys would say what the hell's wrong with you? And
I'm not saying what the hell's wrong with you? But like, I just the guy is never coached a game. You could be excited, but I feel like the emotion that would bring tears is like I can't believe we did it, we won the national championship or uh, what does Kamala Harris say? We did it, Joe, like, you know, like some achievement, like oh my god, like we worked so hard for this. The guy showed up to be introduced as your coach, and he said a lot
of good stuff. But he wasn't even being sentimental. He wasn't being sappy. He was just being I mean, he was just being genuine. And I like Mark Pope, I mean, I'm gonna want him to not get any players he wants. I want him to lose every game and maybe eventually I'll learn to, you know, have a dislike for him. But I don't think he's gonna be very good villain. To be honest with you, he'll be kind of an easy punching bag if he does, like the corny
stuff and all that, but he's gonna give us to me. He's got a little bit of Tubby Smith in him. And what I mean by that is that Tubby seemed like the most likable guy ever at Kentucky, and I think he was, like he's still somebody that I've never heard anybody say a bad thing about. I think Mark Pope's gonna be viewed as that same kind
of guy. But with Tubby, he won a title in his first year, so that kind of that kind of gave him a little bit of of Okay, he's a nice guy, but man like he's he's really really good, So we don't like him. I don't know if that's gonna happen with Mark Pope, but he did. I thought, you know, from an outsider who listened to a good chunk of his press conference and heard not only his part, but the questions that he was asked and how he answered him.
It's one thing to say the right things, you know, win the press conference, play all the hits right. But you know it was different for Kentucky fans. I think to here's somebody do that, but clearly know that he's one of you. And that's a genuine connection. This guy loves Kentucky. Not just because he played there. I mean, that's a part of it, but at every stop he's been at as a coach Utah Valley State, BYU, even as an assistant at places like Georgia and BYU.
I mean, he is somebody that will go out of his way to let people know he played a Kentucky. He's a Kentucky Wildcat. So I think to hear that, I mean, I get how it's like cool, but like why, I just don't, you know, the emotion the tears is just kind of I don't know, like and maybe part of it is like me thinking about it from a Louisville perspective, Do you know how bad we were the last two years? Had three thousand people showed up to games.
In the last two years, Louisvills lost to more Division two teams than they've won games away from their home arena. We didn't cry and Pat Kelsey Man, he came and did his thing at the press conference and was a master with the words, right, I mean, just self deprecating, telling stories.
I mean, just holding court, doing the damn thing as they say, you may cry, Like, I just I don't like it'd be one thing if you guys, if I could guess as to what really really stood out that may have brought that emotion over you, is like here's my thing, y'all ain't been through nothing, Like what do y'all the dude do you
that you know that played there? Now being hired as your coach is a cool moment, but like the tears of like, oh my god, this like what if y'all been I mean, I just don't I don't understand the climax there. I like to know is how many of the people who were crying were super pissed off? Probably all of them or maybe you know, maybe not pissed off, but just kind of like, you know, like
no way, yeah, yeah. So I don't know. I just I think to play you know, psychologists here, I think it reminded him how much they actually hated Caliperry. I know a lot of them didn't want him gone, and they really didn't want him gone once you found out it was going to be somebody named Mark Pope. But what he did yesterday that I was a little envious of was he owned the moment at the presser, meeting the presser itself as a guy who said all the right things, but he
did something nobody else could do in that role. Right, he gets it. He's one of them. Like he can speak on what Kentucky basketball means and he's not just saying it because he just got the job, and he knows it's a big deal, right Like he's he's experienced it. So that's like Jeff Brown, Louisville couldn't pay I mean, Louisville couldn't pay money to recreate Jeff Bram as far as him understanding what this is and it being a
part of him. You know, Jeff Brohm, whenever he coached at Purdue, I'm sure he wanted to kill Louisville when they played they played once. I believe it was, And I know his primary focus was winning at Purdue. But there's never gonna be a scenario orre if he's not the coacher, he's not checking it on scores because it's he helped build it, like it's part of him. Mark Pope is not. I don't think the player that Jeff is to football for Louisville, and I don't think Pope is that for
basketball. But he did play out a national championship team, you know, so that's a special moment. So I thought it was as an outsider, meaning somebody that really doesn't care if he does well or does awful on the press conference or anything like that. He was very calculated to where he said some things that were quite clear shots at Calipari and the way he did things and how he handled stuff, But he also did it in such a nice
like it wasn't in any way personal. There wasn't any real animosity attached to it. But you know, make no mistake about it. He talked about going to you know, the winning hanging banners for the SEC tournament. We care about that kind of stuff. And the one thing that is quite clearly a shot at John cal Perry. It's actually kind of silly if you're a Kentucky fan, you know what I'm talking about. But like Cow would never go to zone, would never switched up defensively, like he was so stubborn.
Only going to do it this way was was zone, no, no full court pressure, just you know, just playing man to man, Pope bringing up you know, we're gona mix up our defenses. We'll do different things like that's clearly a shot at Cal And I think hearing a guy claim, you know, here's here's something that is that always fascinated me about Cali Perry in his air at Kentucky, he had the best job in the world.
No school could pay him more money than Kentucky. I mean, the only other school that you would claim is on par with that job is maybe Kansas, But like you know, I'd still give Kentucky the edge. So this is a guy who had a lifetime contract making an insane amount of money. There's nowhere else he can climb on the ladder within college basketball than where
he was at in Lexington. But he never once felt like I should really buckle down and make some adjustments and you know, get this thing fixed, because man, I've got the opportunity of a lifetime here and I I don't and I want I don't. I don't want to lose it. And you know, he at times was I guess just stubborn, arrogant, whatever it
was. But like he knew that you all hated whenever he talked about the talked about the the the NBA play, Like what did he say that the night they got six or five players drafted in the first round was like the best moment in program history. Like he knew that you all hated that, and he it like he used it as fuel. I think to like continuously
like let that be the brand. So I don't know. I just again, I'm sure I've cried about things, and it's that that that my emotions have have got the best to me about something that nobody else would understand. But like, I don't know what would make you cry, Like again, if it's happy tears, it's cool, it's a feel good but like,
what's the climax, right, Like what accomplishment was made? I guess just having somebody that is embracing that job and embracing I guess you all as fans, and I guess if it's people who grew up watching Mark Pope play and now you see him leading your program, and if you're imagining the possibility of him taking you to heights that you haven't seen in ten years. I mean that could do something. Maybe it's a little mutch with you. That's probably
what it is, I think more than anything. And you weren't alive to experience this, but it's that era, and that era was never forgotten because they won two championships in ninety six and ninety eight, and as I mentioned earlier, I think they're ninety seventeen was better, but that era was not really embraced at a high level because the guy who was coaching you, you know, for the last fourteen years, hated the guy who was a part
of that, who was responsible for that era, which is Patino. So I think just to see the the all the ninety six guys there yesterday, I guess that's probably something that brought out emotions and whatnot, and that hadn't
hadn't happened in a long time. But I think that nineties era, like that's going to be their brand, right because that's where Pope, that's where Pope was a part of and they won two titles in three years, and like again, it wasn't as if anybody was disrespecting that era and acting as if like that wasn't a big deal. But like Cali Perry wasn't gonna go out of his way to prop up the nineties at Kentucky. You know why because the guy who was responsible for it is a guy he hates in Rick
Purtino. And again that's why I think if you missed it earlier, we talked about it. Eric Pertino just each day throwing out something on Twitter talking about how much he's just, you know, so happy for Kentucky and Mark Pope. He did the video last week saying he'd write the nil check if they need money, which technically I'm not sure he's allowed to do as a
college basketball coach. But either way, I truly believe that Rick is one thousand percent happy and over the moon about this because he's had a lot of great players that have gone on to be good coaches. I mean that have been I mean Billy Donovan won back to back national championships in the in the
two thousands. I mean, he's had some really good players and even I mean, and I'm not just talking about guys that were you know, coaches that coach, and I'm talking about guys that were players and then went in to be coaches. But Mark Pope is like, this is the coolest story probably for him, because this is a guy who's now coaching at the place where they were a part of a national championship together. So you know, the Rick dynamic here is going to be odd because I truly believe Rick has
a great appreciation and love for both fan bases. Now there's one fan base that it's gonna be tough for them to you know, I mean, the whole time Rick Patino was at Louisville, I think Kentucky fans, I think they enjoyed making fun of Rick Pertino more than they enjoyed anything. And I
get it. There was some things that gave the rival some ammunition that like, you know, we're preventable, like the por Chinese fifteen second incident with Karen Seiffer, the Minority Hall Katina pal like, don't say we didn't, you know, load the gun for you, right. But when he comes back, which he's going to, and Mark Pope's gonna talk him up, and it's going to be such a moment some of you are going to feel
bad because you're like, man, I love this guy. I'm a fan because of what happened in the nineties and for the last you know, twenty years. I've just been making jokes about him only lasting fifteen seconds on a
table at an Italian restaurant. True story, by the way. So anyways, we'll get back into the recruiting stuff, well, the portal and the recruiting stuff on the other side, because obviously you know that's never ending, and there's many players that have entered the portal that are going to be big time priorities for a lot of schools. They just entered the portal within the last few hours, like since the show started, So it is it never
anymore. We'll get back into that on the other side. But what I want to do here is go to the phone on five way twof i'e nine hundred is the number. If you'd like to give us a call. Let's go to Rob Robi. You're on Sports Talk seven ninety. How are you, Nick, I'm doing great. How in the world are you, buddy? Good to hear from you, brother. How you been. Oh, I've been great, man. I found I just got back in town,
and of course there's so much going on here. I've had to listen to most of this from abroad, Nick, and I gotta tell you it's been an emotional roller coaster. However, as much as it's been a roller coaster for me and for you and the rest of these lovely Cardinal fans, I must say that after I saw twenty two thousand screaming go Big Blue fans in rupp Arena yesterday, which was amazing to see, what made it most amazing to me Nick, because I can't describe what the UK fans have gone through
as a roller coaster at all. I've got to say that's the most fickle fan base ever seen. Because all last week, from the moment they said Coach Pope or as your son said, Coach Poop was on his way, all I heard was I'm never man to take it again. I swear folk goodness, I can't believe it. Barr and Hart needs to be fire. That's all I heard everywhere. I mean it was even the national media. Everything they had to talk about was you know, UK fans they're just wow.
I mean they're really And then yesterday twenty two thousand out there we love you, coach. I mean it's I've never seen a more dramatic, just total spin from burning down that you know, Lexington to we love you twenty two thousand deep. It's really amazing. I mean, were you not thrown off by that? Yeah? I mean I thought that they would have a
good crowd, because you know, they just that's what they do. But to see that many people show up before ever hearing him talk or really knowing who was gonna be on the team, it does speak to just how insanely large their fan base is. There's a ton of them, but I mean, I think even can I mean, there's a reason they delayed. I
think is because they didn't expect there to be that many people there. And my only theory, Rob is that like this, it's just not Caliperry in that deep down they didn't realize as a fan base how much they actually hated that guy the last four or five years or something. Well, I'll tell you what it's gotta be. If I'm Mark Pope right now, I'm a little bit excited, and I'm a little bit nervous because he heard all this stuff. Oh quickly, the turn happened, so he knows they can turn
it on the drop of a dime. And if he loses Sicken to Louisville. You know, I'm sure he's got that in his mind. If he starts off the season and you know, has a couple of disappointing losses, if it's recruiting class doesn't have a couple of Hamburgers, right, He's he's got to be sweating some Oh, no doubt about it. Rob. I'll say this, man, I think that the leash with him will be really, really, really short, despite him being a former player and despiting him
being a guy that they're going to like. And it's because you know, Cal Perry didn't retire. Kyle Perry's now a competitor and you know, an enemy essentially in your own league. And I don't know how good Col's gonna be, but you know what he's gonna get. He's gonna get five star
players at Arkansas. He's gonna get big name transfers, and he's going to have the Arkansas relevant and Mark Pope unfortunately, he has to win big for them to be They're always gonna be relevant in the sport because they're Kentucky. But you know what I mean, Like, he's not a larger than live figure. He doesn't have a resume that people can point to and say, Wow, this guy is elite. He was elite here let's see if he
can do it to Kentucky. So you know, all they're gonna do now, and that's what louisvill fans are gonna do too, Right, there's a lot of momentum with Pat Kelsey and fans are seeing his energy. It's infectious and you know, we'll see what happens when this roster gets put together.
But that's where I think Kentucky is gonna be much different next year because Louisville, let's be honest, like we won twelve games in two years, so we want Pat Kelsey to win the national championship next year, but also just being back in the mix with the tournament would be a big step in the right direction. But Kentucky, if Mark Pope, you know, somehow just is a bubble guy next year, they're gonna lose their minds absolutely, and he now has seen how that can swing. But I'm enough about Mark,
enough about uk Nick. You you said something earlier, you said, you said, you know who really thought that Louisville would have Look I've been away too long, I said, Louisville. Who I was thought that Louisville would have would have a Pat Kelsey at the hit coaching spot, and Nick, I gotta be honest, I didn't think it would be. I didn't know who it would be, but I was pretty sure that whoever we got was
going to be someone from that tier of coaches. And the main reason is we lost our mystique with me, with the Kitty Payne hour, with Kenny pet Payne higher. And I've explained it to people this way. You know that really cute, beautiful girl that you know, everybody thought was so untouchable, you know, they were afraid to talk to hers, like, oh my god, you know, I mean anybody that she even looked at was always like a jock or or somebody who had a lot of money or a
nice car. Right. Oh yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. The moment that girl gets caught, you know, on the corner of eighteenth Street, you know, doing something promiscuous with a nobody, all of that clout, all of that mistique, all of that draw vanishes, because now the mindset becomes, you know, anybody can have her, you know, that whole untouchable mystique. You gotta be somebody, you know, to to be considered by her. You know that used to be us the University
of Louisville was that girl. We were that untouchable. You didn't get you didn't get to be considered. Louisill didn't call you unless you were like somebody who one day was gonna be in the Hall of Fame. If you weren't that guy, if you weren't of that tier, you didn't get looked at by the University of Louisville. And then they caught us on the corner offering up the goods to someone who never had been a hit coach, even at a high school man. This that is the best way to to to to
describe it. And I mean, because you're right, like nobody would say that she isn't still good looking and that she still doesn't have, you know, all the qualities that that you you would want. But however, that mystique is gone. I mean that that's a that's very very well said. And and if you're if you're gonna be joint if you're taking the job, and the only two guys that have had it in the last I don't know,
sixty years or Rick Patino Denny Crumb, different situation. Well, you know, now there was there was an in between and and and and Rob, I appreciate the call. I gotta run to break. Really good to hear from you. Man, don't be a stranger. I always love when you call in. And uh, that was really well done. As far as like describing why Louisville again, nobody's claiming we ain't a good program that
has had success. And you know, can can can win the champion, can win national titles, but that mostique was gone because again we hired a
guy that like, you know, we know. I've said this many times when it comes to the free agency that we now have in college sports, and we talk about college sports here more than we talk about anything and this you know sports radio market in Kentucky, and and now you can talk about it for more throughout the year than you used to be able to because again, you know, new teams, guys leaving, you know, tracking in IL money and how important it is to get a certain player. I mean,
I'm not saying it's like the most interesting stuff. I find it to be interesting, but again, it lets us talk about college sports more year round than we used to. But I'm not kidding you when I tell you it's hard to keep up with because I'm since the show has started. Every time we go to break and I refresh Twitter. You know, it's not just it's not just Louisville and Kentucky players that are either entering, like for example, JJ trainor earlier committed to go to De Paul. We talked to
Earli about Aaron Bradshaw. He's going to Ohio State. But really, what really I mean makes it difficult? Is it like Louisville now is going to have to add like a ton of players right Kentucky may be doing the same thing, and it's just it's it's tough to keep up with. But hey, it's exciting at least I think it is all right. I was two. If I have seven, one seventy nine hundred is the number. If you guys want to jump in and give us a call, Let's go back
to the phone lines and welcome in, Danny. Danny, you're on Sports Talk seven ninety. How are you good? Nick? I have a question, And I know I think every fan base, like like your last caller, every fan base does that. You guys hated Rick Patino, so he came to you all of course, Arkansas fans hated Cal Now they love him
that's the silliest thing when you're on those messages. Kentucky fans hated Rick when he was here, and then if he comes back and him and him and Poper holding court like it's going to be something that is awesome to them. And the same with Kelsey. I mean, you guys were were kind of lukewarm at bathroom. Oh I would say, I would say we weren't lukewarm.
I'd say we were worse than that. Yeah. So but I guess I guess My question is I do feel like and I don't want to be confrontation with those things, but and I don't like the little other moniker, but I do feel like, just for instance, like I grew up in eastern Kentucky, my died in the wool UK fan live in Louisville now, so I just kind of caught your show driving home, and I'm addicted to it now, thank you. Like my family, what they know about Pat
Kelsey is nothing nothing. And then Louisville fans, I've already texted me, well, Mark Pope's offense looks like this. I just feel and maybe, like I said, maybe it's the other way that I can only see through the blue colored lenses. But I feel like Louisville fans the little brother Moniker for us comes more from you know, as soon as football schedules will come out, three Louisville fans will text me and say, well, youk's gonna have a hard time at Tennessee this year. And I can't tell you who
Louisville plays in football. And I feel like when we play, you all, yeah, that week's fun and that week, but I feel like it's three sixty five for Louisll fans. And maybe that's just my lens of it. Maybe if you ask a Louisll fan, they would say, you know, every time I listen to Matt Jones, all he's talking about is Louisville. But I honestly was just curious on your take. You see it,
you think that's everything. Well, Danny, I appreciate the call, and I appreciate you listening, and I appreciate your honesty because you know, you mentioned that it could be sort of your lens the way you see it, and I think that's the way with a lot of people, myself included.
You know, I really do try to and I know some Kentucky fans are gonna hear this and be like, yeah, right, But I feel like I'm very transparent as far as where I stand what I I mean, I would never claim to be objective about what I want to happen to Kentucky basketball
or Kentucky football because they're the rival. But I also feel like, you know, I try my best to at least be honest about their results, and sometimes though they're probably like it's been a long time since I've been really really as a Louisville fan, like really bothered by Kentucky to where like maybe it would just really really be tough for me to acknowledge that they're this good or that good, you know, because to be honest with you, like,
in football, Louisville losing to them in football was like a I mean it was like a and it was disaster. It was the one thing you couldn't do. I mean, it didn't mean that Jeff Brohm had a bad year. He had a great year when ten games played in the ACC Championship, but like, you know, that win really only did one thing, and that was make Kentucky feel a little bit less bad about their season, and it gave Mark Jumps his biggest win he's ever had as a coach,
he beit a top ten team on the road. So, you know, with Kentucky basketball, I'm telling you Louisville being so dead for two years, I mean, Kentucky being good, like I didn't want it, and luckily they weren't. During the Kinny Payne araa, Kentucky really didn't do anything special. In fact, what do they win one tournament game in that era? And the year before Kenny got there, they lost to a fifteen seed.
So when Louisville was just so lousy for a few years and Kentucky was, you know, good, but you still kind of felt like they weren't a threat to win at all because you know, cal had been struggling. So if Louisville, I'll put it this way, I feel like it's been more easy for me than ever to just kind of like be whatever about Kentucky.
Clearly I don't want them to win because of the rival, but like, who am I to go out of my way to really discredit Kentucky basketball When Louisville's been in the position that they're in now again, it could still be it could still be you know, for example, like it could still be something you use as far as fuel and ammunition when when you when it comes
to the rivalry. But I just think Louisville fans have been you know, trolling and keeping up with Kentucky in a different way the last couple of years
in basketball. But to go back to what you'd said about how you know, the when the Kentucky schedule comes out and Louisville fans will hit you up and be, you know, talking about Kentucky to you, and you just think that's kind of weird because you don't really like obviously you know that Louisville's the rival and I'm sure you don't want them to win, but like you're not you're not really like in any way caring about what they're doing. That
is where in my belief, it's because you're not from here. You mentioned you grew up in eastern Kentucky and then you made Louisville your home. It doesn't mean you you know, you aren't. You aren't part of the rivalry now in the city because you are. But if you grow up and I'm talking about grown ups that are like, you know, I'm kind of a grown up, but like you know, people that are in their forties,
fifties or you know, thirties like me or younger. If you grew up and the first thing you remember about being a fan of sports is that you knew you loved Louisville, you loved Kentucky. You went to school with Kentucky fans and Louisville fans. It's never ending. So a lot of people say obsession, and maybe that is what it is. But that's something I've always pushed back on because there's a lot of people who I think kind of tell
on themselves about why are you talking about Kentucky. Huh. We don't like the guy who called in last week, John, who was like, here's a Kentucky show. I mean he thought that was like some clever dig or something like that. I mean, maybe we obsessed. It's just a word that I just don't think it's the right one to use. But I can't give you a better one. But yeah, we all keep up with what's going on in the right with our rival, not to the extent we do
our own team. But the best this weekend for you on a college football season on a Saturday is your team winning and your rival losing. Like that's what always really bothered me. I mean, it doesn't make me angry, but it's just silly for those some people to act as if I don't even know why we play y'all. Huh who Louisville Well doesn't exist? Like it's just lame. Like what makes the rivalry great is that we hate each other,
not as people. I mean maybe you do with some, but like it's gonna be back though, by the way, because Mark Pope may be great, and I think Mark Pope is a fine coach. Now is he going to meet the expectations of Kentucky. I don't know. To be honest with you, I would bet more often if I was making a wager, I'd be more inclined to wager that Mark Pope will win, but not be elite there in Kentucky Lea's I check, that's what they strive to be.
I could be proven wrong. Maybe he's awful and I'm wrong because he sucks and he's not even you know, solid. But one thing I know right now is nobody scared him or Pope when it comes to recruiting, when it comes to anything, and I know nobody's scared of Pat Kelsey on the Kentucky side, and Cali Perry. Maybe fear isn't like the right word because it's just hard to say, Oh, Cali Perry scares mean. But let's be honest, that guy, during his time and as a fixture within the rivalry,
he dominated Louisville. I don't think we were scared. We just knew he was gonna come in here and beat us because he did it more often than not. I if we'll ever see anybody with a record like that against the against Louisville. And what makes it even crazy about Calipari is, yeah, lately he's been just beating up on us, and we've also lost to
Bellerman and you know, Kentucky Wesleyan. But Rick had a really Rick's best run here at Louisville still included him more often than not getting beat by Caliperry Kentucky. So I'll admit it. I'm not too proud to say it. I'm glad. I'm glad Cal's gone because you know, even in years where you felt like we should beat him, we're better. It just it was
always it was. I can't even think of the game where Louisville played their best basketball against the Kentucky Cali Perry team, because even when they beat him in twenty thirteen, when Louislle w in the title and Kentucky went to the n I T I mean, game is closer than it should have been. So anyways, I like that call because that was somebody that you know, asked Anna's question and was also willing to you know, willing to say,
well, maybe it's because you know my lens I'm a Kentucky fan. But I think the difference is because when you're living out in Eastern Kentucky or western Kentucky, when you're talking college football, college basketball mostly with your peers, your your classmates, your coworkers, whatever it may be, kids in the
neighborhood, you're talking Kentucky because there's not many Louisville fans around here. It's just both NonStop, and I think that's why, you know, you do see fans in Louisville that are more that are more into I won't say obsessed, but more into what's going on with the rivalry, with the rival others than others would expect, because you know why they can't wait to go back to the cubicle Monday when your team loses to a bum in football, and
they want you to hear about it, right because we're all coexisting together. When you have a great moment, you probably visualize seeing the friend or coworker that's on the other side so you can rub it in their face. When you lose and it's bad, you might think about taking a PTODA because you don't want to face the music. Like that's what makes this cool to me?
All right, quick break, we'll come back and wrap it up on the other side at his Coffee and Company, we are a few about Thornton's right here on Sports Talk seven ninety all right, So just to update those of you that are you know, just now joining in, or maybe you've been with us for the last hour or so, we just haven't haven't been able to discuss it. But the big news on the recruiting front, which I would still say that the majority of the news for Louisville basketball that's going
to help us figure out this roster will be from the portal. But on Thursday, one of the best players in the recruiting class of twenty twenty four. In fact, he's a consensus five star top ten player overall former Kentucky commit. Obviously, he dec commit it and reopened his recruitment. On's Cali Perry left, but Jade and Quainton say six to non Center is going to visit Louisville Thursday. It's an official visit. This is the first visit he's
taken since reopening his recruitment. Don't know if Louisville is getting, you know, a courtesy visit or something because of the connection that Pat Kelsey's assistant coach has. He previously coached at Ward of God Christian Academy where Quaintan's played his high school ball. So but just to know that that's you know, like
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Do you think Omar Ballow will Loup taking his visit to louis or do you think he'll commit to Indiana before tomorrow or I guess before the end of the day tomorrow. Yeah, I don't know. I don't All the momentum is is that he's going to go to Indiana. But this is his first visit, so I would say that he would at least get another visit in. So maybe he does end up at Louisville. But again, I'm it certainly looks like, uh, he just posted a picture of Instagram. Do
you see it? Is it the one with uh thet behind him? You know he's got a it's just him in a jersey in the cannon right pants. And yeah, I mean he's he looks like he's enjoying his visit. But you know what, maybe he'll think to himself, Wow, Bloomington was great. Mother Bear's pizza. You kidding me? But man, this is Louisville's Pat Kelsey guy. He's he's fun, he's a ball of energy.
I want to play for this guy. Wishful thinking on MIAD, But we shall see because he is again I mean, if, if, if, what he lands the number one player in the portal given the fact that he's also just landed the PAC twelve Freshman of the Year. He's bringing back the guys who'd want to come back other than you know, the guy that's going to the NBA, like got five star Bryson Tucker to replace. Yeah about that one too. So I mean, hopefully he starts getting some respect within
his fan base. People want the results on the floor. I mean, I don't blame him, but like you think Dusty May is doing this in Indiana this year, I don't, I mean agree with I don't want dust You need Indiana. Get him out of here. Nerd. All right, we're out of time. Everybody have themselves a good evening. We're back at it tomorrow right here on UH Sports Talk seven ninety