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A couple of breaking news that I don't feel like is something that we would typically spend a whole lot of time talking about. But it is certainly a big, big piece of news in sports, and that is that Tiger Woods has ruptured his achilles and I don't I mean, there's been plenty of injuries in other situations that have made us assume we've seen the last of competitive Tiger and we were wrong. But I don't know, Man, the achilles is it's gonna be tough to come back from.

A lot of people, there are hundreds of people in attendance. It sounds like it was at the Gold House, the forty fifth annual Leadership Luncheon on scouting, and while having a conversation, I guess an interview with Kent Taylor, he expressed that he thought he was having heart attacks. So people immediately jumped up and tried to help emergency medical services where the ambulance came and he was taken away

in an ambulance. And there's not been any official notification of his condition as of now, but obviously very scary thoughts and prayers with Junior. Seventy one years old and obviously a legend around here when it comes to basketball, but he's one of those guys that has become a billionaire, and it really didn't have much to do with basketball. He's a very successful businessman and obviously had a great

career played for the Milwaukee Bucks. I'm pretty sure his numbers retired, but you know, he's made so much money as a businessman. He bought Steak and the team he played for you're buying steak into an NBA franchise that you know, you're doing pretty well when it comes to you know, when it comes to business. And he's actually a co owner currently of Valhalla's golf Club in Louisville, so he's been on a bunch of different boards throughout the city. He's just a very influential, very successful.

here on the ACC Network. And of course, the winner of this game tomorrow will play Stanford in the winner of that game will then play Louisville on Thursday. So a very awful ending for the Pittsburgh Panthers. I don't have a whole lot of sympathy. In fact, I actually earlier within the show, was just complaining about how worthless Jeff Cable and Pittsburgh are and it was really me just being me, being.

to have your season ended that way. I mean, for those who missed it, go back and.

That's what happened with pitt and then somehow I'm sorry with notre name, and somehow they were bailed out, And I mean I was live on the air whenever it happened, and then I rewound it during the break, and I haven't had a time to watch like every angle that

they showed. But what I'm seeing from folks on you know, social media, Twitter really reacting to it makes me believe that it was, in fact, you know, as bad as I thought it was, because I mean, this was and when I can't figure out and again, if you're not watching and you don't care, I totally get it. We're talking about the day of shame here. We're talking about the you know, the worst teams in the ACC playing

just because that's how bad they were. But I've never seen anything like that, where again postseason game a season essentially decided on such a bad call to where I'm not really sure what they called, like I don't know where the like I thought initially that they called a foul on this late jump shot attempt where the guy fell down, and it turns out it wasn't that they called a foul on the putback, which is even worse. If in fact they had called both would have been terrible.

There's no foul here at all. Pitt did not foul. But if they were going to call it on the first shot, at least you could believe that they were sold a great acting job by a Notre Dame player who just jumped up in the air and made it look like he got hit and fell down. But then he misses the shot. Pitt gets a couple of I'm sorry, Notre Dame gets a couple of attempts, you know, around the rim as the clock's expiring, and they called a foul on one of the putback attempts, and it just, I mean.

been in that position. And that's what like, that's always going to be true when you lose a game and bad, bad calls happened, but it's tied and the ref really you know, like it'd be worse if if it wasn't tied, you know what I mean, Like if it was I don't know in any any way how you want to look at it. That was just an absolutely awful, awful call. All right, Coffee and Company, feelbout Thorton's here on Sports Talk seven to ninety. Appreciate you hanging out with us.

Pat Kelsey has now won two different acc Coach of the Year a ward. Yesterday was the league that named him the ACC Coach of the Year that's voted on by the coaches and a handful of media members. And then today the AP named Pat kelcey ACC Coach of the Year. And somebody asked this on the text line and I and I thought I hadn't thought of it, but I went looking and I got the answer.

conference Coach of the Year. That's already happened. And then he will get fifty thousand dollars if he wins national Coach of the Year, and that could be given to that could be given to the There's a lot of different awards, but it's the AP, Associated Press, the NABC, National Association of Basketball something and then or Naismith.

they're hooking him up with tickets. You could expect that Juan Soto couldn't even get club seats at the Mets and his wife also his wife if an immediate family are also allowed to travel to away games, that's like not even a financial incentive, but.

sign of faith. It doesn't just include a bigger paycheck like that's that's a nod to your to your coach. That's like, hey, we get it, we appreciate you. And this doesn't necessarily show in your bank account. But you know, I would imagine that that's probably pretty standard. I would

imagine in a lot of places. But I don't know, wouldn't shock me if it's not actually because you know, it is a job, it is work, and wouldn't be a shocker if if some of these coaches, like I don't know, maybe their wives would not be the best to have around all the time.

sure if that's fair or not. But I will say this, I was just there last week. What a what a random coincidence? I was there, but I wasn't. So they have something called Round ten. It used to be it used to be I think it used to be called Round one, yes, which I don't. I mean, it's totally now it's round ten.

there's it's not that uncommon to see place. I mean again, it's it's I don't want to act like it's totally different than where you'd get at a what's the one called that's over there on blanken Baker Event, main event, I mean even even the play, even the uh it's over on Hurstborn what's it called. It's more of a uh uh you know what I'm We actually done business there.

to say. If somebody who said, well, actually, now that you mentioned that, I don't know how good the gens fit, can you tell me? I would have been like they fit good. I mean I would have just That's what I would have had to have said. But yeah, I went to the UH. I got a break and I went to the food court and called my mom and was like can I leave?

which you know was clearly not a good thing. And I probably should have been in trouble more than I was because twice it happened to where you know, I just wasn't aware that people are out here like and in fact, there's there's some there's some retail analytics that you can find that may surprise you that if you are in a mall this day and age, the percentage of people that are there with the mindset of stealing

as much as they can is would blow your mind. Sure, Like, you know, there's a reason that the employees that these places are trained to like monitor people like it. I mean, there's a lot of thiefs out there and a lot of people that I guess are good at it. So I had two different people come in and ask for I mean, I guess I was just distracted and just being a dumb kid, and now I guess I'm just a dumb adult. But they would ask me, you know, hey, you know these fit a little bit a little bit.

These are a little bit tight, a little bit loose. Can you go maybe get me a size bigger? And you know, I would just oh yeah, sure, like anything to get the customer what they need. And all they were wanting to do was to have me walk away and then they could put the shoes they were wearing in the box that you know, they would just swap out their shoes but the shoes they were trying on, and they would walk out like it's a Really it

wasn't a real big uh. It wasn't some big heightst to be able to steal from me, Like I was pretty gullible. But what made it really bad is it happened once and I was like, man, I can't believe it. The nervous some people like who does that? And then you know, two days ago by are two different shifts go by, and it happened again, and I'm like, yeah, I should probably and they definitely what we want it.

Put me in the stock room after that, have me back there, just still working in the back, which was actually a better part of the part of the gig overall. But anyways, back to Pat Kelsey, the contract that he signed last year. I mean, we played the audio from Terry Minor's conversation with Josh Hurd last week and it wasn't anything.

And he laughed and said something along the lines of it's coming, like we're working on it, so you know, that tells me that there's at least a doubt right now, they're they're working on getting pen to paper really soon and having the agents crunch it out because they're in the middle of of you know, crunch time here it's postseason.

So but I would imagine there's been at least some level of communication between Pat Kelsey and Kelsey's agent to U of L. I'm sorry, I think U of L meaning her probably to them like, hey, we're aware that the deal you signed last year, although it you know, was it wasn't a crazy deal to give him at all at the time, and and honestly it's not even crazy to you know.

That would make a lot of sense for him to you know, turn down a bigger job if offered, because he came in at Louisville making good money, clearly making a lot more money than he ever made at Charleston and Winthrop. But like if if any of the other schools wanted to take wanted to take a run at him, which I think they won't because they realized Louisville will do whatever they got to do to keep it, keep him.

It's Louisville, but currently that's not his arrangement. He's paid a lot lower than what most would expect for a successful coach at Louisville. But you know, Louisville wants to keep around, So you know, I doubt anybody would even try to make a run for him. But I mean if they did, Louisville would have to. And this is where I like, it's not my not my lane, right, I don't.

the world. But like I would hope that he didn't get to that, and I don't think it will because again, I just still think that if you know, you don't want to go pursue a coach just to you know, ruffle up a different fan base, and nobody would do that.

But like Indiana, they have to know that even if they did come with a big offer and they were doing it before kat Kelsey got a different contract, Like the likelihood of him bailing after when you're at Louisville and then go to Indiana, it's just so unlikely.

between agents, coaches and all that. But they offered the job that Dusty May, and they didn't they didn't realize that he didn't want the job. Now you talk to certain people, they'll tell you, well, he misled them or he you know, he basically, you know, let us take him out to dinner, he ate the steak, drank the wine,

and then he ghosted us or something. But anybody who knew Dusty May for a while knew that he didn't want the job, like he was not going to be energized by going to Louisville because it just wasn't a fit. So it just kind of felt like it was, you know again like if you if you wanted him that bad, then you know you still you make him, you try

to make him want you, right. But also the fact that others seemingly knew that he doesn't, like he didn't want Louisville and Louisville maybe didn't was just kind of a bad look. But maybe they knew it and were still going to try to pursue him. Well, then there was the job Shirt situation, which again he was offered

the job. I mean, it's crazy how this all works out, because Shirts was offered the job, and you know, sounds like he had a really forty eight hours because he didn't know what to do, because he wanted to take the Louisville job, but he'd already signed something with Saint Louis to where we're talking multiple millions would have had to been paid by Louisville to Saint Louis in order for Shirts to be able to take the job. So that alone eliminated him, and I'm glad that it did.

But like he was offered the job, and I mean, he was calling around to people, you know, connected to Louisville or at least that used to be around at Louisville, knowing the administration. And that's what people learn is that it's a new it's a new regime really from what it was many years ago. But Shirts was working the phones, well inside info for you guys. He was working the phones to try to figure out do you think there's any way Louisville would actually be able to round up

the money to buy me out? And Initially people were thinking, buy you out of Indiana State. What are we talking about like a bottle of bourbon? Like Indiana State can't have a big buy out. It's Indiana State. And he's like, oh yeah, signed a memorandum with Saint Louis. It was like four million dollars was gonna have to be paid just to get him, which again that's a blessing in disguise.

do it? Well, it's it's I think you want to be a good partner and be a good employer, and like, you know, even if it's not super necessary right now, because there's not a real threat of another school coming to get him, you still should do right by a guy that you always want to show that you know you Again, the way to really show your employer that you appreciate them is what money right, So you can do that, but also, you know, I think doing it maybe.

If you've got players, and you got you know, you've got a coach that can win games in the tournament.

the top twenty. I mean, that's not a crazy theory, and that would still make it to where you don't feel like you're you know, you're in some poor man's league. All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side. Keep it rolling along. It's coffee and company, and we all feel about Thorton's right here on Sports Talk seven.

would have. I think I tried a couple of times, and just it's hard to do that when you've emotionally invested in a team, I don't know if it's even possible to ever just like, I mean, clearly I'm checked out, Like I'm not keeping up with the Colts like I used to as far as just you know, like being really into it because you know, they're pretty to me, they're they're in like the worst spot as an NFL team to where they're never going to be bad enough to get good picks, at least not very often, and

when they do, you know they're never going to get as lucky as they were, like they're a franchise. And by the way they read I'm upset about the Colts is because they they clearly made a mistake in drafting Anthony Richardson, and it's obvious to everybody but them, I guess. So you knew they were probably going to make some kind of a move because if they give ar the opportunity and he's continuously going to show them he's terrible, then maybe they will pull the plug early next year.

And you want to be able to go to somebody and you know, hope that they can get you know, have some success. I mean, I think there's not not much needed in order to be a boost up from Richardson because that's how bad he is. But there's all

kinds of quarterbacks that are available. In fact, Austin and I just talked about it last week of all the free agent quarterbacks, like who would you go after if you you know, if you knew you needed a quarterback this year, Like you had a good team in the quarterback spot, was the one vacant that you needed to go fill? I mean you got Rogers, you got obviously Donald who had a phenomenal year. I mean, Russell Wilson

is going to be available. Why can I think of the Jets just signed Justin Fields, who was also with Pittsburgh. So you know there were guys out there. I mean even like Jimmy Garoppolo, Like these are guys that you know are are available and will end up somewhere and that's kind of you know, your pickings. And when it comes to Daniel Jones, like he didn't even get mentioned because like he couldn't. I mean, he's terrible at the end with New York and really was never great at

any point. He just the timing was on his side to where when it come when it came down to like all right, they're gonna have to either move on from him or resign him or something. He had you know, his best games yet, best run yet, which again was good for him, but like you know, clearly he was a bad investment. The fact that they gave money to

Daniel Jones and not Sequan is crazy. But anyways, like Daniel Jones signing with the Colts for you know, I think it's like nineteen million or something like that is what his contract can end up being if like he reaches incentives and that kind of stuff. I mean, it's almost like they're just messing with us. I mean, whenever they ended up losing to the giants of ball teams that you know, and that of course eliminated their their you know, the their likelihood of making the playoffs and

all kind stuff, which wouldn't matter anyway. But you know, they're sitting there with that loss and you know, maybe one game above five hundred, I don't remember where they finished, but in their mind, like because they're not two and you know, fifteen or whatever, it is their content, like

they have never been a franchise that is operated. Is if they have an expectation to be really, really good, they have a really high standard, like their content with forting with the playoffs every year, and you know, not being bad enough intentionally to get good draft picks and try to salvage it. They'll stay where they are and

look around like, what's everybody upset about? We're not you know, we won more than a lot of teams, Like you're a no man's land, and they embrace that because they're losers. And the only level of success that franchise has ever had was based off of once in a lifetime opportunities in the draft that they couldn't screw it up. You drafted Andrew Lucky, you drafted Peyton Manning.

I mean, they've had other good players too, other than just on offense, but like they've it's just a really weird feeling and I'm sure other fans out there that are mostly into just pro teams and not as much college and you don't understand why they're you know because at the end of the day, it's a business and everybody who's involved it's making these big decisions, is making

a lot of money. And if they're content with being, you know, middle of a pack, then that's what you're gonna be, right, Like, I now have a real appreciation for tanking because it's weird in general, just to know that, like, hey, let's have some fun. But man, we don't want to be any good because we're not. Our ceiling is so low.

We want to actually be the worst or the worst because if that's the case, then we can get a real, really good draft pick and flip it around like it's it's it's it's the payoff, right, it's the all right, we'll have to sit in this and not only be bad, but like I want us to really suck so we can start over. I mean, that's a weird place to be, but it's the right place to be because that's how you do get it turned around.

I say this genuinely because it's it's just the truth. Kenny Payne did us a favor by being consistently as bad as he was for two years, because I don't want to know what would have happened had he won, you know, double the games that he won in each of his first two seasons instead of four, it was

eight instead of eight, it was sixteen. Because part of me says, and we'll never know, and again, I don't want to know, but I believe he probably would still be our coach here, and that's a really scary thing to think about. No. So the fact that he was so bad so quickly and really just consistently, I mean, it made it to where there was you know, you were able to you know, I don't know if it's a great comparison, but you got to be really really bad to get one of those top two or three

draft picks, right. You also got to be really, really really bad for a program to fire a coach after just two seasons, especially a guy that they had to pay a lot of money to get rid of and a guy that you know played there. So like, in a way, deep down, it is a good thing that it was as bad as it was, because you could have been stuck in no man's land where he's here four years and he was never bad enough for them to justify just cannon him, but he was bad enough.

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whole lot of time. But Mark Stoops was on KSR this morning and I didn't get a chance to listen to too much of any of it, but I did see that he was He was on record saying that if the SEC moves to nine games, he still wants to play Louisville, which I mean he could I guess technically blame it all on Mitch if something happens and it goes away, But like it makes total sense because again, there's no benefit in any way for anybody to not have this gameplay.

And that's where the SEC was just so dominant. Like even teams who's stunk in the SEC, like really bad, like the bottom of the barrel of the SEC still had wins like here and there against teams that are believed to be in the top three and other power leagues. Like let me give you an example, like Clemson. I mean, Clemson right now is a top ten team in the eight people. They're tied with Louisville for second. They finished

eighteen and two in the SEC. Clemson's a good team, but you know, they also lost to South Carolina, who is easily the worst, if not one of the worst. I mean, they're clearly bottom two or three, I would imagine in the SAC. So because of what they did in the non conference, I can't say that, you know, it's not a testament that Okay, Oklahoma, man, they were

rolling before they got the conference play. Right now, they're probably you know, about as bubblicious as you could get when it comes to the NSAA tournament, and they were awful in SEC play, I mean really bad. They finished six and twelve in the league.

look where they did the non conference. They beat Louisville, they beat Arizona, they be Michigan. So I mean you're talking about an Oklahoma team that is one of the worst teams in the SEC. In fact, where they finish, I mean, they had to be at six and twelve, they got to be. They got to be like towards the let me see, we look at the bracket here, because yeah, the SEC standings, where are they at? Here we go, Oklahoma ended up tied for third, so or

tied for third to last, should say I'm sorry. So South Carolina and LSU easily the two worst teams Texas and Oklahoma finished six and twelve, so you know, they're clearly one of the worst in their league, but they have wins against three teams and other power leagues that are in the comp you know, not the best team in their leagues, but certainly in the top tier.

to be towards the top of that league. Arizona finished in the Big Twelve fourteen and six overall, and that put them in third place, out behind Houston and Texas Tech. So again, Oklahoma beat them too.

still counts on your resume. So anyways, I think this is and I said this yesterday and somebody called me out earlier on the text line for not getting to it. But I think in the Elite eight, and this may this may not sound like some kind of like real disrespectful thing to say, but given how loaded that the SEC is, especially at the top, the tip top. I think they're only going to have it maximum two teams

in the Elite eight. And again, like that's not a crazy thing because there's you know, only eight teams that get there. But when you consider how loaded the league is actually, do think that would be considered a you know, a letdown for how good the league was in the regular season. I just think a lot of these teams have gassed out, and you know, I think there's only

three really good teams. Then there's a good crop of teams, and then after that there's a bunch of teams that, you know, maybe they are really good and they just got beat up in a great league. But like, I'm not buying that. Like Missouri is an elite team right now? You know, Georgia gets in, Like okay, I mean again, you got to put sixty eight teams in.