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it was a great night. And it was really good timing for terrible loss like that to happen to where I can just put my phone in my pocket and then you know, act like it didn't happen and enjoy good night with friends. So that was, you know, that was good. But you know, I woke up Sunday morning realizing, one, I'm thirty six now, so so I probably shouldn't, you know, probably shouldn't be partying like I'm you know, twenty five anymore.

But anyways, then I thought about, you know, what, what did happen and how Louisville lost that game, and it really, you know, it still doesn't seem real as far as these specific things that happened in the end of the game that led to Stanford being able to win that game by a last second field goal in regulation. And I'm sure you can say this about a couple of games every every week, maybe in college football where the end result like if you'd ask somebody, hey, what do

you think happened that led to this? I mean, you know, there's always things you want that you don't expect. But for Louisville to have incomplete passes on that last drive at midfield and not take up a whole lot of time and then Stanford to get, you know, to get those two penalties that Louisville you know, clearly commit, I mean, like it it still doesn't seem real, but yes, it was real. So it still sucks when I say that, like, you know, I needed that. It's not like, oh yeah,

I'm not going to think about it ever again. I'm over it. But like you know, we've had a very caller driven show today, which we can certainly do that in the five o'clock hour. But you know, the conversation hasn't been super positive. But I hadn't really talked about it with anybody. I was trying not to. I was avoiding it because you know, it sucked in a major way. All Right, it's a five o'clock hour here on Sports Talk seven ninety. Coffee and Company. That's me Nick Coffee.

We've got Radio Rick Rider running the operation today, doing a phenomenal job. Always a pleasure to work with the one and only Radio Rick. So we'll be with you for roughly the next forty minutes or so. We have to get out a little bit earlier for a basketball game that's going to be coming up live here on Sports Talk seven ninety. But I'll just quickly kind of reset for those just now joining us when it comes

to the Louisville football situation. They're six and four. They could finish eight and four, They could easily finish six and six, Like, no result would surprise me as of right now. But I felt like, really all year, this has just been a weird season, and I still think that's valid now. I mean, look, the Clemson game is the outlier. It's proof that they can play well against good teams and not make killer mistakes that keep them

from being able to win games. But as bad as Saturday was, if you just consider every little thing that happened that ended in Louisville losing a game that a lot of people, myself included, think it's the worst loss Louisvel's ever had. Now, again that's all opinion. That's just everybody's got their own preferences when it comes to that. As far as which game you know stands out to them as the worst loss, I think that's the worst loss because of how bad Stanford was. I mean they

didn't won a game in two months. I mean, there's nobody there. And then you also consider, you know, what Louisville had to do to crumble and melt down and give that game away late. Like I think it's the worst I really do. But if you consider what led to it, maybe all of those mistakes being made, like

that's the ultimate, like how do you do that? But the type of mistakes it's really kind of been who they've been for you know, they've been they've been that team that makes the avoidable mistake that's not disciplined, you know, just terrible timing for mistakes and mental goofs. They've been that more consistently than they've not been that right. And that's why it's weird because I think the team has good players, Like I don't. I mean, the offense is good.

The offense isn't the problem. I mean not to say that they're perfect and they make mistakes too, but like, you know, just think about this. You had a true freshman running back who I think, I mean, no offense to Michael Bush, who's a legend. I mean, I mean, if you look at what Isaac Brown has done this year against before Saturday's game, Loisville had played a top fifteen schedule, and he's been getting a good amount of carries as of late. But like it's not like he's

the only guy getting carries. The production from Isaac Brown as a true freshman is one of the best freshmen see I've ever seen at Louisville. And I don't have a problem, and I'm sure this is a little recency biased. I think it's the best I've ever seen. I mean, that's how good he's been. When you look at the amount of yards he's getting per carry per game and against who he's doing it against again, we're talking about somebody who before Saturday, Louisville had played a top twelve

schedule depending on where you're looking. So he gets hurt, doesn't come back, which is pretty worrisome, right. Jeff didn't give us much an update other than you know, we'll see how he progresses the rest of the week, which that's really what he's done all year. But you get you know, you have that star freshman at running back go to the bench or go to the sideline in the locker room because he's hurt. And then you throw another true freshman running back out there, Duke Watson, who

was phenomenal. I mean, to Corey Brooks is insanely good. Probably one of the more talented receivers we'll ever have here. Tyler Shuck. I mean, he's not perfect, but I think he's good and I'd love to have him many more years than just the one year that we're getting him. Defensively, they're a mess, right, but not because of personnel. So you know, I mean, if I told you this this season was a disaster, and it's you know, it's it's

terrible like that. I mean, I'm frustrated, like anybody else, but like it's not because I'm like, oh man, what happened? We don't have any good players, Like we stink. I mean, technically we don't stink. You're six and four, but expectations were higher than that, and they're always going to be.

But I think the expectations were justified. I don't think we were crazy to say, hey, this team, they got a chance to be pretty good, and if they go eight and four, then yeah, we'll sit back and say that there was some head scratching results along the way, some heartbreaking losses that you feel like you could have won and it would have been big for your season. But if they do that, it's still not going to be a year where I say, man, that was a failure.

But they also could go six and six, And I don't really know what kind of conversations we're going to have if that happens. I mean, we gotta be honest. I don't think we're going to have a conversation about who the head coach should be. I think even those most frustrated and most critical of Jeff Brohm aren't going there. But his staff, I mean, I don't think you'll see a scenario where his boss, Josh Hurt like tells him, look,

you're good, but you've got to make a change. I think they're going to trust Jeff to do what he thinks makes the most sense. And I think that's understandable. But I'd say from a defensive standpoint, like, I don't know how you could bring Ron English back. I don't know how you would justify that as you know, the right move, because again the defense this year, them being unorganized,

them not being able to communicate. Ron English initially telling us before the season started that, you know, he took blame for last year's struggles at the end of the year defensively, and then when he was asked about it, what a week ago, two weeks ago, whenever it was. I mean, he basically said that he thought that the players would be a little bit more they'd have a little bit better mental capacity to retain things to where

they didn't need to simplify it so much. I'm paraphrasing, but like it went from him taking accountability saying, hey, put it on me, to him saying, you know, we wanted to do this, but these guys, we thought with all the ball they'd played and being very experienced guys that had played college football for years. We thought they'd be able to adjust to it, and they haven't been. Like, that's throwing the players under the bus. That sounds like a guy named Kenny Payne, to be honest with you.

So I would imagine that they probably make a change there, But again that's just I'm just assuming like everybody else now, I don't think it needs to be said. But while the hell not, I still don't have any doubt in my mind that Jeff Brom is a really good coach and he's good enough for us at Louisville, and I think we're lucky to have him. I think Louisville football has the has the chance to be super competitive at the top of the ACC for years to come with

him as the head coach. I think the ceiling is higher with him here than anybody we've had I do. I mean, I think, heck, that was proven last year you made the AEC Championship game and his first season as the head coach. So I mean, I still think Jeff Brom has or critics maybe that he's ever had around here. But I still think the vast majority, and I mean nearly every Louisville fan that I know of as much as they're down and disappointed, and they are saying Jeff's got to get a dixt it's on him.

I don't think you have anybody out there thinking that, like we got a problem with who the head coach is.

But you know, head coaches got to rely on his staff, and that's one of the things that we really don't know, like whenever he's talking to Greg Brahm on the sideline there before they make a big crucial decision, like we don't know like is he getting bad advice and trusting it, or is he getting good advice and not wanting to, you know, hand over the or maybe he just wants to trust his gut, Like I don't know, But I think defensively, that's the one, you know, the d c

ron Anglis, that's the one physician on the staff that I would be shocked if there's not some kind of a change. But as a mention, I'm I'm just assuming and guessing like everybody else's. But back to Jeff really quick here. He said it earlier today and I don't even remember what the question was, but it hit me, Oh yeah, he's saying that again, because he said it a lot this year, and it's a guy taking accountability. It's not like it's I mean, it's I think it's

really what you should say. And that is when asked about how the defense was unorganized or how they made us you know, not just the defense, but anybody made a silly penalty or just any mistake or any misqueue that led to you not being able to go win a football game, he says, that can't happen. That can happen, can't happen. And again I'm not criticizing him for saying that,

but you know what, like it keeps happening. These kind of things have happened all year, So you know, he's as frustrated and as angry disappointed as anybody that this is where they sit, because I think he knows this team should be a lot better. He knows it's his responsibility to have a team out there that is more discipline that's not you know, towards the bottom of the acc and penalties, making mistakes that are avoidable that are

costing you football games. Like he knows that that's on him and that that's something that shouldn't be where it is, right now and now it's going to be on him to fix it. It's going to be on him to try to get this thing finished the right way. Winning your last two games, of course, easier said than done. And then in the offseason trying to figure out what you want to do as far as the staff, and obviously in the portal that's going to be huge, and I do want to get to that coming up here.

We'll do that probably around five twenty five or so, because the whole portal question. You know, nobody knows who's actually going to be going to the portal anywhere right now, but obviously Louisville when you look at them being dead last in the ACC when it comes to the recruiting class rankings for twenty twenty five. Yeah, it's not a good sign. But and I'm not telling you that that's

good and we should celebrate it. But I think Jeff has pretty much told us in his first couple of years here he's going to recruit high school kids, but he is going to embrace the portal and build his roster that way every year if he can, meaning like, yeah, I'll take some talented freshman like Duke Watson and Isaac Brown, But he's also going to go out there, like he has no problem going and getting the guy who's got one year left and having to start that whole process

over again the next year. And you got to make sure you get good players, and you got to make sure they fit with what you want to do, and you got to have money to go buy them, essentially. But that's what he's going to do. And I mean, I'm not telling you not to worry about high school recruiting, but I just don't think that's going to be really worth much as far as like you need to get

good freshmen. And if you get a really talented freshman, look we're seeing it right now at running back, they can help you win right away if they're that good and you got a good line in front of them. So you're always gonna want to bring in talent. But how the rankings are put together, like why you end up at number ten or number twenty or maybe top five whatever, like that value I mean isn't really Like

I wish we got rid of portal rankings. I wish we got rid of recruiting rankings all together, and we just had the off season roster management ranking to where your factor again, who did the best job when it comes to just making their roster better, doesn't matter if they did it based off of forty percent freshman, sixty percent Antsper's vice versa. Like, I think that would be a better thing for people to run with when it comes to talking about recruiting and the portal and that

kind of stuff. But anyways, we'll get to that coming up here a little bit later on. Now. We have had a pretty busy show this afternoon when it comes to phone calls, So if you guys want to jump in, you can five OO two, I have seven one, seventy nine hundred. Whenever you know, have a loss like that, it kind of just consumes the show, especially whenever there wasn't and I didn't do a postgame show, but I do want to talk quickly about what happened on Friday

night between Mike Tyson and Jake Paul. I mean, that thing quite literally played out exactly like I would have expected. They were going to go the full distance. Nobody was getting knocked out, and there were what sixty million people that tuned in to watch it like it was all for entertainment, And really that's where I do tip my cap to Jake Paul because he's I mean, if you've got sixty people that are that are wanting to watch

you because they hate you, will love you. You're an entertainer, like you're captivating them one way or the other, and they want to either see you maybe get your brains beat in by somebody that they used to consider this most dangerous man on the planet, or they want to see you win because you know, maybe they're just fans of you. So you know, he is very good at what he does. Now, I don't know how good of a boxer. He's clearly he's good, but like you know,

I don't even think he cares about that. He's just going to keep doing this as long as he can. And I've yet to see a Jake Paul. You know, tell made for TV event boxing whatever it is, that has been anything but a success when it comes to viewership and money. But again, I'm telling you, man, it played out exactly the way I thought it was going to. Now, one thing that is different, right, because sports is entertainment.

When you watch Monday night Football Tonight or whatever you choose to watch, you're watching it because you want to be entertained, Like that's what it is. But there's nothing worse than any type of result that you know was predetermined, right, Like, there's like if it was I mean again, this was like professional wrestling. You'll have your niche audience, and clearly

a lot of people watch wrestling. I mean, that's that's why Netflix paid what a billion dollars or whatever it is to have the new rights to the Monday night Raw television show. So like, but just you know, there's something do you feel like you got conned if in fact this thing was totally scripted, which I think it was, Like again, I can't prove that they're pretty savvy about like you know, not having any real slippage of like receipts that show. Hey, here's where he told me. This

was what was gonna happen. Everybody's getting so stinking rich from this stuff. They're not gonna like you think Mike Tyson would have done probably whatever the hell Jake Paul

wanted him to do for twenty million dollars. Like Mike Tyson lost all his money when he was whenever, you know, he fouled bankruptcy after he'd lost like everything, So you know, it worked props to those guys, But like I think, again I said it on Friday, it just kind of feels like everybody's into it there to watch and they want to believe that it's real, but they kind of deep down know that it's not, or believe that it's not, and then you tune in and like, yeah, that's it.

I mean, I literally think that could have could not have played out any more the way I expected it to. I mean, anybody getting knocked out, I mean, that just wasn't gonna happen. And if somebody was going to get knocked out, it looked like it would have been Tyson because he just you know, I mean, I'll be honest with you, as soon as he walked out, by the way, how about his bare ash showing for everybody to see that was that was something. But as soon as he

walked out, I mean I knew ahead of time. He's old, a lot older than Jake Paul, but like he looked like an old man that doesn't need to be. Like we're talking about Mike Tyson here, a guy who at one point I think was the most dangerous, scary human being on the planet, the baddest man out there. For

a long stretch of his life. But he also, like if I didn't know anything about him and I, you know, just saw him walking to the boxing ring as a stranger, and then I looked at who he was fighting, knowing the age difference, I would have been worried, like, man,

I hope this guy doesn't get killed. But to see Mike Tyson and kind of, you know, for a moment have that feeling like that, that was sad, But hey, it's also kind of awesome to see him be able to get a payday like that, given the fact that you know a lot of the money he made at

the peak of his career. You know, clearly he ran through it in a way you wouldn't believe, which is why he's filed bankruptcy, and which is why he can't turn down this fight for twenty million dollars because it's it'd be almost foolish for him to not take it and leave it for his family, that kind of stuff. So I feel like they feel like they won, both of them won, if you know what I mean, because they were able to get that many eyeballs on it, and you know, everybody made a lot of money. Now

Netflix didn't win here because they had issues. Now, I watched it out somewhere, and obviously if you're watching we talked about it on Friday. If you're getting it at a bar and you're not just getting it at your house, there's a you have to go about it a different way as far as how you obtain the ability to show, because what you're doing is you're taking a product and you're trying to monetize off off of something you don't own. Right the rights to that fight are owned by Netflix.

I don't know if you had to go through Netflix. I don't know how that process works. But my point is the people who just try to watch it home, like apparently it didn't work. I mean again, I didn't. I didn't experience that, and honestly, if it wasn't working for me, I would have just moved on and watched something else, probably because you know, I was I wanted to do to see what would happen, But it wasn't like I was just you know, I wasn't as excited.

I mean I didn't realize it was even happening until two days before what happened, because it had gotten postponed earlier the summer. But the NFL has a Netflix only game on Christmas, and of course Monday Night Raw will become exclusively a thing that's only watched on Netflix starting I believe in twenty twenty five this year. So you know, they've not had many live events. I would imagine sixty men million people watching their live event has got to

break their own record. So they'll get it, they'll get it figured out, like I understand the like there's there's also a scenario that like one of the big reasons for this, or one of the big you know, opportunities for them with this, because again they they didn't charge

anybody any extra money. Right, if you already had Netflix, you didn't have to pay to watch this like this honestly was a really valuable thing for them to see where they stood as far as are they do they have the resources, the bandwidth essentially to be able to stream something where this many people are going to watch, and clearly they didn't have it, so now they know. And you know what if you if you already were a subscriber to Netflix and you didn't it didn't work

for you, you're not out anything. You're already paying for it. So I look, if they do have issues with a Christmas Day NFL game. That's gonna be a nightmare, And honestly, it'll be a nightmare with money night Raw as well. That's probably watched by more people than you realize, but they'll figure it out. It's Netflix, I mean, come on, Like, I would say that, if there's any streaming service out there that may have the ability to make this work

would probably be them. If I'm being you know, straight up with you, all right, something that I wanted to mention really quickly here before we get to our break. This is not something you see very often. So there's been another firing in college football where Leah tom Herman has been fired at FAU. But and he hasn't been good there by the way, but Tom Herman last week

fired his defensive coordinator Rocko bell Andoni. Well, a week later, FAU has decided to fire tom Herman and Bell and Toni is now back as the DC and the interim head coach to finish the season. I would imagine this is the first time we've seen a scenario like that in college football. But yeah, Tom Herman a guy who really you remember when he was at Houston and they were good like he beat Louisville twice. Is it safe

to say I could be wrong here? I know they also Houston also beat Oklahoma when Baker was there, so that was probably their big win. But they beat Lamar at the time, where the only lost Louisville had in twenty sixteen was to Clemson earlier that year, and then they beat Louisville the year before that when Lamar was I guess a freshman, and you know he took an assistant He was an assistant for Urban Meyer at Ohio State and then went to Houston and did a great job.

But I feel like his at least two of his top four wins probably at Houston were against Louisville that really got attention. And then he turned that into the Texas job and that didn't work out, and then now he's already out at FAU. So I would have expected, honestly Tom Herman to be really successful anywhere he went, but didn't work out that way really at all. All right, quick break, We'll come back on the other side. Believe

it or not. I'm going to play some Deon Sanders sound not to you know, talk about how arrogant he is, or talk about how he's ridiculous and he acts as if his team is great and he hasn't done anything, because that's what I was doing before the season started. But now I got to be honest, like Deon Sanders team is winning. They got a good chance to win the Big Twelve, or at least you know they're going

to be in position to have a shot. And he said something about recruiting rankings that I feel like is worth sharing with you guys, because Louisville right now again, they're dead last in the ACC when it comes to recruiting high school freshmen for the upcoming year, which is not I mean transfer portal aside, that's not really where you want to be. But I just think the quicker you realize that, like freshman recruiting is important, but rankings

are not that valuable like they once were. Like I think the you know, the better you'll be able to deal with it as a fan. But you know, I've learned over the years that there are certain people that are so wrapped up in recruiting, like they're always going to worry about it because it's that important to them. And I'm not saying recruiting is not important, but like it's a different world now with the portal and within il and guys staying in school longer because they can

make money. I quick break will come back on the other side one more segment. We're out here a little early today, so stick with us. We'll finish strong. It's coffee and Company. Feel about Thorntons right here on Sportsbox seven.

and I don't think that's gonna happen at all. But that ten day break, man like, it was probably good for the team, like I would imagine. You know, well, first of all, I don't know how they couldn't have been humbled with the overall result and how things played out for them against Tennessee, and really they'd never been in anywhere close to that kind of a situation. I mean, it had been nothing, but but you know, high fives,

handshakes and smiles and you know, the honeymoon. So I'm hopeful that when they do take take on Indiana next week in the Battle for Atlantis, that at that point they will have, you know, made some improvements, made some adjustments to what to do in those kind of situations. Whenever a really good team like Tennessee can take you out of what you want to do. But these two games between there, I mean, I don't know if you're

going to really see any signs of that. And I hate saying this because you know, I'm excited to watch them play tomorrow, because you know, I'm a little basketball fan like all of you, or like most of you, But you know, I know that whatever happens as far as the result, it's probably not going to give you any kind of indication of what you should expect when they start playing good teams again like they did Tennessee.

It'll be next week when they play in the Battle for Atlantis, which of course will be three straight days of playing good teams and kind of seeing where you stand. So you know, I think doing what they want to do, meaning a lot of possessions, up tempo, rhythmic threes, free throws and threes, forcing turnovers, Like they're probably going to be able to do that and dictate style of play and pace against Bellerman and Winthrop like, but they weren't

against Tennessee. So you know, I don't want to get too I don't want to nerd out too much on on basketball here, but like, I think the recipe, well, the ingredients that he has to work with many of the players, Like, yeah, they absolutely can can get into the system and style that Pat wants to do against

a lot of teams. But when you play better teams, you know, do you stop being so in and out with the with the rotation and playing nine guys all about the same amount of amount of minutes or did you used the last ten days to try to figure out Okay, we're going to have to shrink the rotation a little bit and really trust this group whenever you're playing you know, better teams, you know, teams that are better than than you know, Winthrop in Bellerman, but back

to to football. This text comes in five OO two six five three zero seven ninety. It's the Llen and Federal Credit Union text line if you guys would like to text in. But this text says, Nick, do you think if Isaac Brown is banged up, he just shuts it down for the rest of the year. I would hope not. But you know, let me say this, nothing would shock me when it comes to players just deciding to do those kind of things anymore, because that's that's where we are, you know. But I don't know what

the benefit for Isaac would be to do that. Now, you don't want to get hurt, but you can get hurt any day. You canet hurt in practice, like you know, like if the decision if he doesn't play the rest of the season, which I have no clue. Jef Browm was asked about it earlier today and he said, you know, they're gonna see how he is throughout the week. I mean, I'm paraphrasing, but essentially that's what he said. In fact, here is actually word for word what he said. He says,

we'll see how he progresses this week. He had a little bit with his shoulder. We're hopeful he can play, but I don't know yet. I mean, that's that's exactly what he said, so we shall see. But if he doesn't play, I would assume that it is because he literally hurt and can't go. But like holding out or opting out because of the Stanford loss, that just doesn't make any sense because he's already played enough games s

where he can't red shirt. And I hope more than anything that Isaac Brown is back with this team next year. I do because he's super special. I mean, that guy, And that's another part of why this year has been so frustrating, is that you have one of the best freshmen that has ever played for you, and he's also putting up these numbers as a true freshman when you

have played probably one of your toughest schedules in school history. Again, before the Stanford game, Louisville schedule was ranked top fifteenth nationally, even higher than that, depending on where you looked. So, I mean, he's great, you know what, everybody else knows.

He's great too. He was a freshman All American preseason, and I'm sure tampering's going on as we speak with a lot of players and probably including him if that's the case, because he's that good, so early is going to come down to what he wants to do, and obviously Louis is going to have to have a financial arrange that is that is, you know, good enough for him, and I hope that happens. But any speculation at this point is literally that just speculation. But uh, oh, it's

not good. I had Microsoft Teams open on this studio computer and I didn't know people could call me. Looks like it spam. Apologies, that shouldn't be able to happen where I'm live on the air and there's there's something on this computer that I didn't install. It didn't install, that's taking a phone call like that's that's not good anyways. Sorry, I don't even know what I was saying. Oh with Isaac Brown, so back to the opt out thing, like he wouldn't like again here's where I was going. Sorry

about that. I can get really I can get really distracted really quickly, but I usually bounce back what I laid out about, like hoping that they make it, because again, that's what's gonna come down to money, and you know, he's gonna have to hopefully he's having a good year and he likes it here. Hope he likes Louisvill. Hopefully

he likes playing for playing for coach Brom. But let's just say, you know, it was the other way, the bad result where he was, in fact, you know, looking to leave, looking to go get paid a lot of money elsewhere, just looking to play, I don't know, somewhere else closer to home. I don't know what benefit would it have by him sitting out now. Again, if he's hurt, that's a different conversation. So I think if he's healthy,

he'll play. But like if he's looking to leave and he is healthy enough to play, I mean, he'd be benefit. It would benefit him to keep putting up crazy numbers. Now he's done enough to where if he did sit out, people are aware of what he can do and what he brings to the table. But I just you know, when it comes to Colin Lacey doing that, Yeah, it happening.

After your loss to Miami, I mean that was a factor because a lot of the goals for Louisville that were out there before the season started, you know, were damn near impossible after that loss. When you had your third loss of the season, and he hadn't played a whole lot to where he could, you know, like he got injured before the season started, so he missed the first few games to where it was really a unique situation with Colin. So I would hope if I mean

kise of Brown's healthy, I would imagine he'll play. And as I mentioned, I hope, like hell, he's back here for next year and the year after that if possible, because he's really really good. So it's Duke Watson. Nobody comes back too. And that's I know. I've mentioned it many times over the last however many months this season has been going on, but man, the I mean to see certain guys that I feel like, man, that guy's pretty special. We don't get many guys at that position,

this talented that often. And to know that you're sitting here six and four when you should be a lot better, it's it's frustrating. All Right, that'll do it for us. We're out of here. There's a basketball game coming up next, but we're back at it tomorrow and I hope you guys will join us. Thanks to everybody for hanging out big. Thanks to radio. Rick Ryder once again for holding us down and again heavy good eye, everybody