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do the postgame show on Saturday. And as soon as you know that whole thing happened, still kind of can't believe that it did happen the way that it did, but I was able to just quickly put my phone back in my pocket because I was I was out of town and I had to watch on my phone because where I was did not have ACC network. Butun't a big deal, but you know, I was quickly able to just put my phone in my pocket and then head out to celebrate my wife's birthday with a lot

of our friends. And it was, you know, I'm trying to find the positives here, trying to find silver lining because you know, I was able to put off talking about what happened on Saturday and just kind of, you know, try to forget about it. It's not something I can just forget about. And now here we are, we've got to discuss it.

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ln N Federal Credit Union text line. So we've got radio Rick Ryder hanging out with us today producing this afternoon. So we are in good hands. And you know Austin, he's out today and he had to do the postgame show Saturday. What a what a tough break. I haven't listened to it, and you know, no offense to Austin, but like I probably won't because, like you know, I got to talk about it myself and it's a sad situation in general. So again, more opportunities for you guys

to join us today and we'll do that throughout. So once you just let me get through and share my thoughts and the way I see it, then we'll we'll we'll get to you guys. So I mean, look, it sucked everything about it, and I thought about it since yesterday. On my drive home yesterday morning, I was thinking, Okay, am I overreacting? Is this recency biased? Is is this Is this really as bad as I want to say it is, because I want to say this is the worst Louisville football loss that I that I that I

can remember that I've experienced. Now again, everybody's different, right, I mean, and I'm not even really talking about the emotion, because there's certain losses that you know, if you lose to your rival, if you you you know, you made it all the way. I mean, if Louisville was just imagine if Louisville like lost an opportunity to compete in

the ACC championship with that loss on Saturday. So like those are ones where outside of you know, the whole conversation, is this one of the worst losses of all time? You know, the other layer is okay, you know it was it a punch to the gut. For example, last year when Louisville lost to Kentucky. I mean that didn't change anything about like the rest of the season for Louisville, but because again last game of the year. But obviously

you know that wasn't about the record. I mean you still finished ten and two and you could have been eleven and one, so technically, you know, it did impact it in that way, but like that was just about getting bragging Rice back and overall it didn't change much of anything for Louisville at that time, but obviously it felt really bad because you know, that was the year

to get them. So you know, take the emotional part of it out of it, because I think again certain losses may hit people differently, just depending upon everybody's individual way of looking at it. But for me, I think, you know, as far as a loss that let me let me let me rephrase, I think you could claim this is the you know, I actually you can claim what you want.

as far as how bad Stanford is. You were twenty and a half point favorites. I mean, I think that just when it comes to point spreads, it's a top five loss of all time when it comes to just you being favored by that much and losing outright.

just make it you know, it wouldn't surprise me. It would be pretty you know, obvious, because there's certain things that Louisville had to do to give them a chance to win the game they did, and Louisville did it pretty consistently with a lot of you know, just a variety of errors from everybody involved, play calling from the coaching staff, just undisciplined, stupid penalties. I mean, just a just a just a bad game overall. So you know, it sucked.

that's what postgame shows are really for. But as far as just what happens Saturday, I'm not really sure if there's gonna be anybody providing like a different and unique perspective on what happened, because I don't. I mean, I think it was I mean, it's pretty clear what happened, like that was the ultimate terrible loss.

just been weird altogether. But what makes this weird is that like you deserve to lose that game one thousand percent, So like you know, yeah, you do that, and you you know, you play like that, you make those kind of mistakes, you know, things that you just ultimately can't do in a close game late you did, like you know that. That's That's what's different for me with this loss than a lot of others that I would chalk up as like, oh man, that sucked.

I'll try once more. You know, at this point, Clemson is the outlier, like that game was the outlier, because really throughout Louisville has been maybe not a team that was as bad when it comes to just making dumb mistakes and you know, being undisciplined and defense just reverting back to like not really being locked in and you know, committing a comedy of errors that kind of stuff. You know,

like that that's kind of who you know Saturday. Saturday was next level, But like because we've seen it happen, even in games they've won, I don't know how many people could watch that thing and be in disbelief the way you probably expected to be in disbelief as far as how it all played out. So when I say it's weird, is that you know, they've they all year. They've been a pretty sloppy team. They've been undisciplined, They're towards the bottom of the acc when it comes to penalties.

You know, they've they've made mistakes that I think seem to be pretty avoidable, you know, mental mistakes that make it hard for you to see yourself winning game after you make said mistake. And really that's they played ten games,

and that's kind of who they've been all year. If I'm being honest with you, not to say that, like the season's been terrible, you've got a good chance to potentially well, I don't know if I believe that, right now, But I also can't say that I'd be stunned if they do win against Pittsburgh and then they beat Kentucky and they finish eight and four, and like that wouldn't be a year that we'd have to say that was,

you know, the worst lowel of football season ever. So you know, it's just been weird, right, Eight and four is typically a good or sometimes really good year, depending upon you know, your schedule that kind of stuff, and

obviously what expectations were before the season starts. But like, I've never felt like this team is in the position that they're in where they lose some of these games or they barely hold on against teams you feel like you should have blown out, like because they don't have good enough players, And I think that that's what ultimately

makes it just, you know, different weird. Like I'll ask Louisville fans this, have you do you feel like you've watched Louisville lose more than two games this year where you felt like it was because the other team was just better. And I don't want to act like Louisville could go beat anybody if they play well, and like you just you know, I'm not saying this team should be sitting here ten and oh right now, trust me, because I think Miami was just better than you. You know,

you could have won. But like, that's not one where I'm like, man, how do we lose to those guys? And in a weird way, I kind of say the same thing about SMU, like they just I mean, maybe if you don't give them two easy touchdown drives that were effortless for them on the first two plays of the game, then maybe it's a little bit different. But they came out there in your house and really just I mean, they set the tone and you had to play from behind, and you were there with a chance

maybe to win a shootout and you know you fell. Sure, But I don't. I don't sit here now and feel like Louisville. You know again, I give SMU a lot of credit, but I don't know if I'd sit back and say, yeah, if they play that ten times, Louisvill's gonna have a really tough time beating them, you know, twice, because they're just so good when it comes to talent.

really put it together as of late. Defensively. I mean, maybe guys regress and maybe some of it is on you know, maybe some of it is on the players individually. I mean it is like the players have to take accountability as well. But like I still think from a defensive perspective, like I don't think that like you are terrible when it comes to it's not even that I

don't think you're terrible. Like I think you have good enough players to where if you were a little bit more sharp and you you know, you didn't make avoidable mistakes, and you were a little more disciplined, you again, you probably wouldn't be ten and zero, but maybe you'd be eight and two, nine and one. And they're not terribly far from that, right. We're not talking about a three you know, a three and five team or four and

six team, but like they just should be better. And that's I mean, put it this way, Jeff Brams has said Jeff bromb has said this many times throughout the entire season, and it's really each time he said it, it stands out to me, and it's not some I mean, it's really what you would expect a coach to say, but for some reason, this specific quote from him, and I guess it's not really a quote, but it's just something that he has said many times. When discussing his

team's shortfalls this year, he said that can't happen. He would tell you you could give you an honest answer as to why or as far as you know, what happened, where a play broke down or somebody made a mistake or you know, questionable decision by somebody, and then he always throws in at the end that can't happen, that can't happen, that can't happen.

surprised to hear me say that. I still do not have any doubt in my mind that Jeff Brom is a good coach and he has the ability to, you know, he's a good enough coach in my opinion, for Louisville's program to win at a high level and maybe even accomplish some things we've never accomplished before, like last year when they made it to the a SEC Championship for the first time since they've been in the league. But

right now, this team is six and four. They're underwhelming, it's disappointing, and there's ultimately one guy that's responsible.

out the season. But and again, maybe Jeff will bring him back. I highly doubt it, but you know, usually with six with a six win team ten games in, still having a legitimate opportunity to go when your last two and go eight and four. I feel like this exact scenario in different eras, different seasons, we probably wouldn't feel the way that we feel right now and everybody. You know, maybe you guys feel totally different than me. That's something we'll find out when we get to the

phone lines. But I will say, you know, like it's a reminder that with Bram here, we do have higher expectations because we expect to be better. That's why, that's why he's here. And also you know, I mean, I think when it comes to this, I mean this year and again I don't want to go back to what I've said probably way too many times when it comes to just the season has just been unusual when it

comes to not really knowing like where you are. But after ten games, I kind of feel like, look, we know who this team is.

a penalty that'll kill your drive. Like those kinds of things have happened, right, Like, even in those games, even when you see that happen, you still watch them go out there at times and you can tell they've got like they've got good pieces, like they're a pretty good team. But the way everything about Saturday was just, you know,

worst case scenario is a nightmare. And you know, I hope that they finished strong, but like I don't even at this point, and I'm sure by the time we get to you know, a little later in the week, it'll be different, but right now I really don't. I mean, again, what can I say about the pit game or the Kentucky game for that matter, as far as like, you know, like I feel like, if Louisville plays close to their potential, they should win these two games.

In fact, we didn't to have a conversation at some point about how, like, I know, playing this game is a good It's good for the city. That's what everybody says. It's what Pat Kelsey said earlier today, and I'm not gonna dispute that. But like you play certain teams within Division one, you only staying to suffer from it. I mean, I don't know if you can beat Bellerman buy enough points to where you're not going to go down in these formulas, and that's not I'm not taking a shot

at Bellerman's program. Just stay in facts. So again, well we're not just going to be depressed about Leivell football today, but you know, obviously it's gonna be someth people want to talk about.

But you know, I would say if he's able to go, he will go this late in the year, but you never know now day when it comes to just you know, the Quincy Riley jumping off sides, I mean, look, I would say that, you know, he's talented enough, but like you know, a veteran, a guy who's believed to be, you know, a guy that's going to be drafted, you

just can't continue to make those kind of mistakes. And you know, it's one thing to just have a guy not make a play, or have somebody you know miss a field goal, or you know, just just just you know, when it comes to football, stuff that you know you just can't do when you expect to win a game,

like the penalties at the end of that game. I mean, I mean you literally did the only thing you needed, the two things you needed to do in order for them to not even run a play but kick the kick a field goal and win.

have the numbers. Maybe we go look into it, but I mean he said it last year after they beat Notre Dame, like he was well aware that he'd had other games where they pulled off an upset, a real notable win for the program at Purdue, and then they would turn around and lose to a team that you know, they weren't supposed to lose to, or maybe they would just you know, they'd have a because again, get to keep in mind, when he was at Purdue, they were underdogs in a lot of Big Ten games for the

most part, so you know, beating Ohio State at their place, and I'm not even sure if that was when one of the instances where this happened, but they did beat Ohio State once and it was at home, and then they also beat Michigan State at one point, I think when they were top ten.

win bye week or no bye week, it's happening. And man like I don't, I mean, I would just be talking on my rear end if I tried to give you any kind of of a of Aju justive or an explanation as to how that happens, like I have no clue, Like that's just that's that's but.

that they would end up losing. And then you know, was it three or four straight plays where you just can tell, like, all right, everything that that you know needs to happen to keep Stanford alive to win this thing in regulation is happening, and then you know, sure enough.

on Monday. I mean, I think when I talked about the Stanford game on the pregame show, I know, last week on the show, I mean I never even entertained any scenario where Louisville wouldn't have won the game. And it wasn't because like I just think Louisville's so great. It was because like Stanford was that bad. So you know,

maybe maybe I shouldn't be as confident. But man, if Louisville basketball has trouble with Ellerman and can't get by Winthrop before they take off the battle for Atlantis, that's no bueno. But I think they'll be in good shape tomorrow. But it is Coffee and Company. Thank you for joining us, Thank you for hanging out with us here on a Monday afternoon. We are fueled by Thornton's. Make sure you

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it done this one here. Let me pull up the actual numbers here courtesy of Kelly Dicky Real Card Game on Twitter if you're not following him, so louis will closed it minus twenty and a half the other games where they lost, there's only four games where they've lost as bigger favorites two thousand and seven when they were

thirty seven and a half point favorites against Syracuse. The lost is Cincinnati in ninety one, which I have no memory of I was three years old, but they were twenty three point favorites, twenty seven and a half point favorites against Kentucky in twenty sixteen, and then South Florida in two thousand and five, they were twenty one point favorites and lost.

losing are still terrible. But like when they would lose to Notre Dame playing so poorly where you feel like, man, if they just do like one little thing better, they probably win. You know, same thing against same thing against SMU. You know, Lay just making the mistakes she can't make.

on fourth ten, fourth and ten. I don't hate it, but you have got to tell Taler shuck while he's back there. But you cannot leave enough time on the clock for them to get into field goal range, especially with how they talked about how this kigger for Stanford has a big leg and obviously as we saw, and much less leaving time on the clock. How brain dead do you have to be to commit two penalties and not take any time off the clock and give them

seventeen extra seconds. Granted, the out of bounce call where he was twisting his leg was a little I mean, I may or may not have had a little bit of money on Louisvill's team total, so I might be influenced a little bit, But that's about the point. That was a little bit egregious to me. I think you can let that one go. But even committing the five yards enalty which gives them five extra yards, it's just it's insane, Nick, Like this is year two. They have to be coached not to do these things.

I would never think that or or say that. Even if I thought that, I would never say it because that would be really stupid of me to do without knowing that for certain. But I'm just saying, like you could have okay, yeah, let's let's let's let's just drop

the ball and we'll pick it up and score. I mean, like if you were to trying to script a scenario to where they win it that way, Like if you're making a movie about this, this redemption story with the kicker that they talked about, like that that that's it, right, Chuck not taking up a whole lot of time when he's back in the pocket, dropped passes when you you know, stop the clock, not forcing them to call any timeouts they take over because you turned it over on fourth

down where they took over, and then you know, you commit two penalties that moved them up and then they get it. I mean, like it's it's insane, but yes, that's I mean like it.

I'm not taking anything away from the Clemson game. That was great, and I felt all year that this team actually has the pieces to be good, but they're just not. And what makes it I think, I guess more frustrating for me as I'm talking through it here. I didn't get my therapy session on Saturday night because I was I didn't do the postgame show, to be honest, with you. No offense to you guys, I would have you know.

I love doing the postgame show with everybody, but like I'm glad I wasn't because that was that was brutal. But I think why it's just such a sour situation to even if they go eight and four, I'll be happy, Like I'll still say, hell, that was a good year because again you would have eliminated the Street to Kentucky, you beat Clemson for the first time, like eight and four. I'm still not going to act like that's a huge

disappointment to where somebody, you know, where it's terrible. But clearly, I think I've seen enough to where I know this team not only should not be doing the insanely stupid stuff that we saw against Stanford and that we've seen in other games.

gone when you lose to Stanford. I mean not saying that, like you know, I mean, clearly they're not going to be ranked at any point the rest of the way, and I get it. But what I'm saying is, like, you know, I still think like that they could lose to pit and do the same stupid stuff we've seen them do, and then if they go out and play well against Kentucky, I mean, that would be great, but like two things. One, I can't expect that, but like if they did it, it's not like, oh my god,

where'd that come from? Because again, I think this team has the personnel to where they just shouldn't be doing this stuff. And look, when you're this undisciplined and it played out the way it did against Stanford, likes, that's that's responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen. That's why I tried to really hit home that he keeps saying, well, that can't happen, that can't happen, that can happen. Well, man, it's continuing to happen. And like it's not all his fault.

There's collective blame to share here, but like he's responsible for the program, like you know, he's got to get that fixed, and how he does it, it's on him. Or back to the thone lines five two, five seventy nine hundred is the number.

rest of the year, then something's wrong. I mean that the kid pushed the guy for no reason and calls to us, really that was it?

outside of Clemson, and I guess Georgia Tech. So you know, I'll figure it out as we get closer to the game. But like right now, thinking about these two matchups, which I hope they win and I know that they have the ability to do it, but like trying to get into what we expect to see. I mean, the safe bet would be that they'll still be undisciplined and they'll

still make some crucial mistakes. Now you'd hope that it wouldn't be costly enough and you know there won't be as much of them to where you can still hold on and win. But like after Saturday, I don't know, Man, that was that was insane. All right, Let's go back to the phone lines here. Let's get a couple of callers in before we hit our next break. Five O two five seven, one seventy nine hundreds the number if you're going to join us here again, it's coffee and company.

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But there's guys that we've watched make plays here before that just haven't been able to get comfortable this year. I don't know if it's because how they're being utilized or what it is, but yes, like when the defense has their issues, I still don't think like, well, hey, man, we really we really went out and brought in some duds in the portal, but we brought back some insanely

talented players Ashon Jalatti and Quincy Riley. You brought in dudes that I think Tamarry McDonald's really good, Stan Kwan Clark, Like, I don't think the defense is a weakness when it comes to talent, and yet you know they're just a mess.

I mean, clearly he's he's a big factor. I'm not saying it's all his fault, but certainly like he would be a real surprise if Jeff doesn't make a change there.

last and agency and recruiting. So I'm guessing this is gonna be our method and moving forward, which is fine, you know, but we're also gonna take that good with the bad, I guess, and the bad is we're just gonna be on disciplined to say, I don't.

If not, we'll go to the next caller. But we'll take a quick time out come back into more of your calls right here on Sports Talk seven ninety.

on Saturday on the West Coast. So let's go to Jerry, who now joins Is Jerry? What's happening?

to be replaced. But I think Jeff needs to as I said for four to six weeks ago on this show, he needs to look at in the mirror and decide, you know, what kind of staff change you're gonna make. I think Brian needs to go. I think he needs not because he's terrible. I think he needs to go for Jeff to hear a new voice. They're brothers, They're they're gonna think alike. They're gonna they're not. They're not gonna challenge him the way somebody come from the outside

would another thing. I would bet you that we're the only Division I program where the director of football operations stands beside our head coach with a headset on and has input at the end of the game on whether to punt the ball or go for it on fourth down. Okay, and Greg has no I'm not killing the guy, but he's a director of football operations. He doesn't belong on the sidelines in Jeff's ear, I'm sorry he doesn't have

the resume. Look it up. It's factual. Okay. Going forward, I just don't see this team finishing two and oh. I think we're gonna go one and one at best. I think we're gonna lose in Lexington. Again. I hope I'm wrong. Okay, but again, four to six weeks ago, I talked about the John L. Smith level of incompetence and lack of discipline, and that's where we're at. And again I think it's a total shakeup. You look at his staff and all the familiar faces on that staff.

He needs to get people and to think, get him to think outside the box on things. The one got one more comment. The one guy said he didn't have a problem with him going deep. I do, because we didn't even need a first down. All we needed was seven to eight yards and we're kicking a field goal for the win and we go for the end zone. I mean, what are we doing? You know, I would never understand when we went to when we broke cuddle, I told my wife, I said, they got to work

the sideline and get out of bounds. Ten yards is all we needed. We didn't even need ten really, we had time out left. It's just frustrating. But I think I think he needs to look at his staff from A to Z. He can get by with these things in my book, in my mind if we're nine to one, but we're six and four, So I question everything, And I questioned Greg having his ear on the sideline. It's insanity that he has that much say over there, and he's a director of football operations, for God's sakes.