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trigger treating right now. It's a little early. However, I stepped outside just a moment ago and it's not nice out, but it did briefly stop like raining. It was kind of a drizzle, a little bit you know, sprinkle maybe a little bit more than sprinkling. And hey, that's better than if we just get you know, showers. But fingers crossed, let's bring him in. He's the one and only Kent Spencer from Whas eleven can't. We talked a week ago and our positive vibes did not didn't too much for

us because the rain is here. I don't know what Endo Town you are in. Is it still nasty as ever out there?

So maybe maybe we can hold off again. I think if you can get like an hour and a half to where it's not it's not raining hard and it's maybe just sprinkling here and there that you know, that wouldn't be ideal, but that'd be better than you know, just nothing but rain, but fingers crossed. What are the kids being for Halloween? Are they too old to dress up?

what do you make of the quarterback situation. I mean, Brock vandergriff as we've discussed, and I thought you've laid it out pretty good the last couple of weeks that you know, he's kind of cutting his teeth in real time, and that's not ideal when you're playing some of the best teams in the country, and Kentucky has had a

really tough schedule. And even when you're not playing the best teams in the country, when you're getting your first reps as a starter against SEC defenses, again, you're gonna expect some growing pains. But I don't feel like they're in the position they're in because of his poor quarterback play.

With Gavin Wemset, he gives you a different element. But I think when when you're trying to get this thing figured out and fixed, I mean, obviously, if Mark Stoops and his staff knew how to fix it, they would have already done it. But I just I think mixed going with two quarterbacks or maybe just leaning more so with Wimsat. I don't think that makes any sense at all.

But in my opinion, like you got to play Vandergrift and you got to see if he can work some things.

you know you're a loser. You don't win, you are at your record says it is. But like the way they lost to South Carolina, the way unraveled against Florida and even Auburn last week, Like those aren't teams that you just look at the score and say, yeah, what are you gonna do? Those teams are so great, So you know, this is a very maybe maybe this is

where it ends. But I feel like more often than not, when Stoops has had his team in a position where it seems as if they're gonna get blown out because of no momentum on their end and they're playing a really religod team, I feel like that's that's usually when its teams show up and play. Now again, they could do that and still lose to Tennessee. But I don't know.

Maybe I'm reaching here, but I kind of feel like if this isn't an ultimate just ass whooping, which it could be, I mean, I guess it wouldn't be a big surprise given what's happened in recent weeks with them, but I feel like that would be kind of telling to kind of where everything is internally with that with that group, because he's not I mean, in recent weeks, it kind of seems as if these guys. I don't want to call them quitters because I just I feel like I wouldn't be in a position to know if

they're truly quitting or not. But something's off with this team in this program with Stoops that that we really haven't seen ever. Seems like yeah, and.

second half this year. And I feel like if you're going to improve that, you need to utilize your weapons, which clearly Dankey has actually been a bright spot despite the season. Barrian Brown can change a game at any

moment with a big play. I feel like you're not gonna be able to utilize those guys really in any way if it's whim set out there, because I mean, there's really not any any mystery as far as what they're gonna do when he's out there, it's it's it's quite clear that he's going to be out there to run the ball. And when everybody knows that's what's gonna happen, and your offensive line is not as good as they as they need to be, you know, it's it's not

a good recipe. Do you do you think Stoops has I mean, and you would know this more so than than most people. How much involvement does Stoops actually have in the offense? Because I think Butch Hamden, not to say he's not a good play caller, but like to me, that didn't like I feel like with Mark Steups having some momentum and clearly some money, he could have gotten a more proven guy than Butch Hampden. You look at

at what Liam Cohen's doing in the NFL. Obviously, uh, Shannon Dawson, he's gonna be a head coacher soon because of what he's doing with that Miami offense. I mean, how much of the offensive blame should go on Stoops because he claims, at least from what I understand, he doesn't claim to really be super involved in it. But when you watch them play and you look at some of the other things that have happened and seen other guys succeed that that he moved on from or they

moved on from him. It kind of makes it hard to believe that he's not somewhat influencing what's going on offensively.

he does trust his OC a little bit. And then from then on it's kind of just been you know, it's not I mean, the overall turnover as far as how many different people have had that position, that alone is is pretty telling in my opinion. All Right, We'll let you go here in just a moment because I know you've got to get to the Halloween festivities. But I do want to get your thoughts on this Louisville team. One to ten, ten being the most surprised, one being

the least surprised. How surprised would you be if Louisville does win it Clemson for the first time ever this weekend?

to see that. I mean, I don't know what the result is going to be, what they want it to be, but it's clearly the type of trip that if you're a Louis a fan and you want to make a road trip, you know, you make the arrangements, and even if the season hasn't gone as well as you would have thought, it's still probably worth going just because of everything that comes with it. But Kent, we appreciate you as always. Make a time, enjoy your Halloween. Please post

on Twitter X whatever you want to call it. We got I want to see Undertaker and Kaine together. I mean, this is this is the best news I've heard on Halloween Day.

quick break, we'll come back on the other side. I want to react to a lot of what was said by our guests so far today, Cup and Kent, and some good texts coming in that I want to get to, including one about Colin Lacey. We can talk about that and who knows where this show is going to go. I feel like it'll be pretty slap happy around five o'clock because you know, Thursdays are our Fridays. I mean, we actually have two Fridays a week here on this show.

You know, we've been trying to really change that vibe for everybody that Thursday is the new Friday, but it's also Halloween, John, you said it earlier, right, feels like a Friday, Like it feels like a holiday. So where do you know that that usually is a recipe for this thing to you know, go in a lot of different directions, so it should be fun. Stick with us right here, it's Coffee and Company fueled by Thornton's on

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members get more at Ellen and Federal Credit Union. You can learn more and open your account today at LLNFCU dot com. All right, so real quick, this text came in a little earlier today, and I'll read it word for word. But there was also somebody that sent something yesterday that I just I didn't feel like it was you know, it wasn't something I wanted to bring to

the show. But given the fact that others have said something, and I've seen some chatter among Louisville fans on Twitter and whatnot, but the text says Nick, I think it's pretty lame for Colin Lacy to be publicly showing everybody that he's still utilizing Louisville's facilities to practice, but he won't play. That's a tough look. I mean, I think I've been pretty consistent and pretty direct about this whole. Like,

I understand why everybody is unhappy about Colin lay. I mean, who wouldn't be unappy if you're alivele fan about Colin Lacy's decision. I mean, it's a net negative for you overall. And you know, like he quit. I mean, people aren't wrong when they say that. And I think my point is not to say that. You know, I'm not counting them to say, oh, no, he didn't quit, because he did. But you know, he quit, but we'll be able to play again potentially here, and if not, he can play elsewhere.

So yes, he quit, but I also see him taking full advantage of a situation. And if I would have done this, I mean, I don't know if I was in issues, if I would have done the same thing, I mean, yeah I would. I can't relate to Colin Lacey, believe it or not. This may shock you He's a much better college football player than I ever was because I wasn't one. But this is such a different world

now that this thing happened. Like it's just I mean, this is one of those things where and I'm not just saying this because it's Louisville and it's Jeff, but this is what played out with Colin and his decision to just you know, take it like, realize, Hey, I'm healthy, but I'm gonna go ahead and quit because this season is not gonna be what I wanted it to be a Louisville and I'm gonna stick around, continue to train and continue to take in I all money I'm assuming

or at least keep the in a ale money that I've received at this point, and then I'm gonna hit the portal. Might come back to Louisville, or I might, you know, I might go elsewhere. That whole situation has to be what truly makes coaches consider walking away from lucrative jobs where they can suck at that job and still get paid a lot of money. That's the kind of thing that'll make them walk away because you know, as much as I do get on these coaches, and

it's really not even them as much. I mean, occasionally coaches will do the pity party, and that's annoying, but that's just coaches being coaches, like they're they're the the Maybe not as much anymore, because I do think the new wave is to be relatable, to be down to earth, not only to your players, but to your fans and

that kind of stuff. But like forever, coaches have, especially in college football, like they have oftentimes wanted to appear as if the leap that they're just football robots, that nobody could relate to them. They're not. I mean Nick

Saban and will muss Champ. I think it was on the same day they had a press conference and wanted us to believe that they did not know that the following day was an election day, Like they wanted people to believe that they didn't even know we were voting on the next president that next day, and like that I remember it because it pissed me off, Like I get it, like, you know, you're just a football guy and we can't relate to you, but like, how dumb do you think society is to like think that you

wouldn't know that it's election day? So coaches have always been you know, have been that way at least for the most part. So whenever they do end up talking about how, you know, players, you know, it's all about nil Like some of it's just them being them. But

I've been pretty not hard on them. But I tell you what, my criticism about the whole New world and players leaving is been more on the media that just wants to kiss the ass of these coaches and act like, oh, we really got to consider doing something's got to give because we just lost one of the best coaches ever.

I think, I mean, I think there were real, you know, real tears from grown men because Tony Bennett's handsome ass was walking away from college basketball, and he did probably somewhat because of what's going on, but all so because he's burnt out and he wanted to give the job to his buddy. So again, like two things can be true. I say that all the time, asking coaches to clearly make some adjustments to the job that they have had

for a long time is really not that unusual. How many of you have a job where you have had to make some adjustments. Maybe you've been in the same position, doing the same type of work for fifteen twenty years. I bet it's different now than it was when you started, as far as just a lot of things, a lot of components to the job. So these guys in college football that are coaches basketball as well, they make a

lot of money. They can lose every game and still be entitled every penny unless they choose to walk away. So I don't have any sympathy for him at all, but I also will acknowledge that the job is a lot different. It is different. You cannot do it the way you used to and not expect I mean, I'm not sure if there's any coach out there they can be the way he was ten years ago and it still work as successful or better as it did at

that time. I mean, because you used to be able to put fear in these guys, right, like break them down then build them up, right, I mean the process was this. You recruit them, You tell them how great they are and how much you need them and how big of a role they're gonna have. And they could, oh, you want to play quarterback, Hell yeah, we'll put you

under center. And then they get there and like you give them the the you know, it's boot camp essentially, right, Like it's it's tough for them early on because you got to toughen them up and they couldn't leave if they transferred, they would have to sit out right, and nobody wanted to do that. Well, now, like I think both again, both things can be true. There are guys who any adversity comes their way, they're gone and they're

taking advantage of the ability to do that. But there are some that I don't think they're leaving because times are hard, and they're and they're and they're you know, they're weak minded where they don't take hard coaching. There are guys who are making the decision because they're just realizing, hey, look, this is a job now I need to look out for me and I have a chance to sit out and get another year to put more and probably impressive.

You know, Colin wasn't healthy, started to get healthy. I'm not excused. I mean, I'm not saying that that that's the ultimate reason why he decided to do what he's doing, but like he has an opportunity to play one more year of college football now and put better film on you know, out there for the NFL and potentially not only make more money than he made at UFL this year, but any money next year in college could be could be.

I mean, in fact, any NIL deal he gets, I would assume would pay him more than any NFL situation he would potentially have next year, if he even had one at all, Like he might be a practice squad guy next year. And I think he's talented, So maybe I'm wrong there. We'll never know because he's not going to the NFL this upcoming season unless, you know, unless something changes. So you know, it's just it's not this

this this is the new world. There may be some improvements when it comes to organization guardrails, but players having the ability to really take full advantage of their look out for themselves. That's not going anywhere. That's gonna still remain here, and we just got to get used to it and accept it and to be And this is you know, when I talk about how it's not just different, it's not just that there are some changes. It's insanely different than it was. The reason why is because players

used to have zero ability to do anything. I mean, the NC double A, I mean, the only people in America for a long time that could not benefit simply because of who they were were people in prison and people playing college athletics. So their refusal to budge from their archaic amateurism model led to it getting all the way to Congress for Congress to step in and say, yeah,

you legally cannot keep them from doing that. And that's why the players now have all the power because the NCAA's tried to, I think, actually gives some some legitimate enforcement, right, like they're gonna let you make money in an IL, they're gonna let you transfer. But like they tried to say, well, you can only do it once and that with NIL, there's clearly some things you can't do as far as

communication about a NIL. I'm not saying they had the best things in place, but they're trying to implement it after the fact. And again it all and and and all it took was a couple of different opportunities to put the NC double a's entire organization, their whole thought process of amateurism, put it in front of Congress. They lost a couple of times. It was a big deal, and now everybody's taking them the legal route and they're

losing every time. So it's really their fault. It's the NC doublea's fault for not realizing that what they were doing for decades, generations seemingly was eventually going to burst.

And that's and that's while we're here. So with Colin Lacey, of all the you know, of all of the layers to this whole situation, I've I've you know, I've been pretty dare I say supportive of Colin, Like I'm not saying like he did the right thing and people that are upset about it are wrong, but like I've at least tried to present his side of it to where it doesn't look like he's just a quitter. He's just truly taking advantage of something that would it would be

kind of foolish not to take advantage of. But seeing him posting on his Instagram story that he's like working out but yet he's not gonna play for the team. He's not gonna do what he came here to do, Like that's tough. Of all the of all again, of all the layers to the situation, that's the one that actually I'm not gonna act like it brought rage out of me, but like it was a bad look for him in my opinion. Has I mean, I'm assuming nobody on Indiana's done that, right, John, Like, I mean, why

would they things? Actually, no, y'all have.

fan for longer than I can remember. I've been a college football fan for you know, roughly twenty years as far as just really loving it. So it's gonna take a long time where the majority of me consuming the product has has you know, like it's gonna take another

twenty years essentially for me. Like, Okay, well, I've been a fan for this long and half of the time it's been this Half of the time it's been that, But I think it'll probably take the younger generation just you know, kind of this is going to be all they know, right, they'll remember maybe early on as far as college athletics not having nil and you not being able to basically have free agency, because I think those of us that the vast majority of our time as

fans it was the same. Like, it's not something that really you ever just get used to. So maybe I need you know again, I think I, you know, after it happens, I now at least try to tell myself, hey, it makes sense given the new world, but it's still something that, like, you know, you're not expecting, right, Like I was not going into last week's game at Boston College thinking, well, you know what, Louisvill's coming off their third loss, you may see well, mostly because colin situation

was unique. He didn't play the first few games because of an injury. But you know, when whenever you have a situation like that, put it this way, a lot of players in Colin's exact situation, fifth year guy injured to start the season, started to play well, but the team doesn't have a chance to get to where he wanted to get to. I think and we'll never know hypothetical here. I think the majority of college football players would have done exactly what he did, unless because here's

the thing. I think, if you're a guy that's played for Jeff Brow for four years, I think that's a lot harder thing to do. Colin's been here a few months or you know, however long he's been here, not maybe many longer than a few months. Does that make sense, John, Like doing that to a guy that you came out of high school to play for, that you've played for for many years. I think it's almost you wouldn't even think about it. But now these guys are bouncing around.

And I'm not saying Colin doesn't like Jeff Brown, clearly. I think he chose to come here for a reason, and Jeff was utilized in him pretty well before he decided to quit. But like, I think that's just the new nature, Like there's not that level of again, it's all transactional. When you're committing out of high school, you've played many many years for the same coach at the

same program that you know. I'm sure there was a transactional situation along the way, But like that's a little different. Does that make sense.

he's he's a he's a mercenary. Like he's a guy that's here for one year and he didn't play the whole year, so now he can go play elsewhere. So like he's he's not probably feeling the same way you would if you're somebody that had been at a school for a long time. But moving forward, you're not gonna see many guys at the same place for a long stretch of time. Therefore, the again, this is just again I'm not telling anybody that they're wrong, because you can

feel whatever way you want to feel. And I understand why people hate this, but this is this is where we are, and it's it's not gonna it's not going anywhere, all right, quick break, We'll come back on the other side, wrap up the four o'clock hour Halloween edition of Coffee and Company. I've got some Halloween stuff I want to get to on the other side, including some real lunatics

out there when it comes to Halloween. I thought I was a big Halloween guy this year, really, but I can't match the Halloween vibes from some other people out there as far as what they spend, what they do. But hey, knock yourself out, quick break, keep a lock right here. On Sports Talk seven ninety I requested John play this song again. It was the song he was playing as we were going to break and what you heard at the beginning there. I don't know what it is.

I mean, I know what it is, but like, I don't know why it gets me to this level, but it's like the most cringe thing I've ever heard in any song ever. I mean yeah, I mean I'm not even gonna try to like, I'm not even gonna do an impression of it because like it just my skin's crawling. Where were we, like, imagine we were somewhere it might

have been, might have been at Churchill Downs. Of course, you know, we've done a handful of Halloween things this year with the kids, and obviously they're playing Halloween music

and this one is perfect for it. But I'm just visualizing like being in the studio as they're putting this together John and like, I don't know if the guy who says that, if he's like heavily featured within the song, but like those are kind of like ad libs, right, like I ain't fraid of No Like I could you take yourself seriously doing that?

big deal. I'm well, but like my first memory of Bill Murray was when he was in Space Jam like that, because the biggest movies that he has done were either made before I was born or you know, I probably wasn't ol enough to watch him when they came out. I know who he is. It wasn't like I didn't

know who he was. But like people would mention Ghostbusters, they've had mentioned Caddy Shack, and I still do this day defend myself because those are two movies I'd never seen and still haven't, and yet people acted as if like, you know, it's almost like my reaction to you, John when you don't put any dressing on your salad. You just eat lettuce or something like that. So but I fit, Like, again, think about it, it came out before I was born. We're not in a world now where like you can

just fire up Netflix. So like, when would I have been in this situation where cause again my memory probably starts around four or five, right, so at that point, this movie is nine ten years old, so you know, I wasn't watching movies a whole lot when I was that age. So like, again, I've heard of it. It's a popular enough movie to where I know what it is. But like long story short, it's pretty understandable how I would never have seen it, you know what I mean?

Like same thing with Caddyshack, Like I can know that it's popular, and just because I've heard of it, it's a legendary movie. But again, I would have had to going out of my way to like, hey, let's go to brenta VHS when I was eight nine years old. And that's just I meant. I wasn't doing that at that time. That's kind of like with with you, I

tried to. I don't think of that story specifically, but there are times where I'm I hesitate because I want to say, oh, John, you don't know this, You've never heard a lot.

came out when I was young. So yeah, that's that's actually the best example. To be honest with you real quick before we get to a break. You know, we were talking about the just visualizing somebody in the studio

doing I ain't scared. I know, like the musicians who do some of these jingles are so talented, like some of the commercials you here on this station and elsewhere, you know, TV s, TV commercials and whatnot about like you know, like Charman, Charman you knowercially Yeah, yeah, Like props to those people one for being talented, but also like their craft, like they could have their own like they they seemingly have the ability to sing and perform.

Now maybe they don't have the image, you know, may I don't know what it is, right, I would assume there's a ton of very talented musicians that never make it big, but like having the humility to go to go really get into it and show off your vocals and really just lay down a phenomenal performance in the recording booth, and you're singing about toilet paper that helps make sure you got your butt wiped good, Like the Sharman ones are like really high production value, but you

know it's literally talking about why their toilet paper will get your butt cleaner than others. Like, you know, I think I think that speaks to somebody who realizes their talent and they're gonna make a living off of it. But they're they're not they're not too you know, they're not letting their ego get in the way.

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