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Developing overnight, new U.S. defensive strikes in Iran just days after it looked like there was actual progress on ending the war. Are the GOP's Iranhawks getting into the president's head?
We can make a good deal right now, but maybe not a great deal, and if it's not a great deal, we're not making it.
The Trump Justice Department goes after a woman who accused Donald Trump of rape. Isn't this the kind of weaponization the president rails against?
As I watched it, I thought, oh my god, he's having a stroke.
Okay.
Former First Lady on Joe Biden's debate Meltdown would some transparency have saved the 2024 election for Democrats. And high drama far below the earth. Five people await rescue after searchers found them alive in a flooded cave.
Five alive.
And a fitting site for a president who loves a good fight, a UFC stage rising next to the White House is the coming cage fight about politics or patriotism.
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They thought they were going to outweigh me. We'll outweigh him. He's got the midterms. I don't care about the midterms.
¶ US-Iran Conflict and Policy Debate
Now there is something the president might care about, hawkish Republicans who don't want him to cut and run. Good morning everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. So what happened? Just a few days ago, Trump was talking again about a deal to end the war. It all sounded good, then some details leaked out. And new this morning more attacks from both Iran and the U.S. Iran's Revolutionary Guards saying they targeted a U.S. airbase.
An airbase in Kuwait says it just fought off it fought missiles and drone attacks. And this came just hours after the U.S. hit Iranian targets near the Strait of Hormuz, the second such defense strikes this week. The President frustrated with enemies and allies alike as the Strait of Hormuz remains closed.
We'll watch over it, but nobody's gonna control it. That's part of the negotiation that we have. They would like to control it. Nobody's gonna control it. It's international waters and uh Oman will behave just like everybody else who will have to blow'em up.
So this brings us back to those Iran Hawks. Here's Senator Lindsey Graham.
To our Arab allies. You need to help President Trump. You need to embrace the fact that it's now time to end the Arab Israeli conflict, make peace with Israel, build on the Abraham Accords, and if you say no to him, you say no at your own peril.
So today in the group chat we've got Tamara Keats, senior political correspondent at NPR, Mike Dubkey, former Trump White House Communications Director. And Megan Hayes, former Biden White House Director of Message Planning. Tamra, I want to start with you and the messaging from the president yesterday. What do you think the President was trying to accomplish in the way he sent his message yesterday?
Uh he has been back and forth and back and forth in his message uh In essence though, he still is saying that he wants Iran to have no nuclear weapons, to get the dust as he calls it out, and it's still not clear that that deal is in hand. When he talks about the midterms, um In conversation, that absolutely is not a message that uh politicians and people on the political side of things want to hear, but it's a message that he's trying to send that.
Oh no, I don't want this deal so badly I'm gonna make a bad deal, even though most of the signals he's been sending for weeks is that he wants this deal really, really, really
Yeah. Or frankly, the things you would have to do to get a deal are going to be unpalatable to someone, not just Iran.
And I'd rather they be unpalatable to Lindsey Graham, I think, than uh most others. The the president has found himself in a situation that at some point, forget the midterms and all of this stuff, he has to extract himself out, not just for the good of the party, but for the good of the country.
The world lapses. Shortages, right?
Exactly right. So at some point let's see what we can get as a deal. I think um this chirping He he talks about the chirping of the Democrats. I'm not more worried about the chirping of the hawks on the other side that's keeping us in this limbo that is detrimental to our country and to the world.
I mean he put us there, right? Like we are in a war that we didn't need to be in. This was he said he obliterated the nuclear thing last summer. Obviously that wasn't true. I don't think it's true now. I I mean it we had a nuclear agreement that he pulled out of in this first term. This whole thing is so unnecessary and the only people who are suffering here are the
The American people and the rest of the people in the world are suffering from all those shortages. I just it it's it's unconscionable that we cannot
I am gonna push back just a the the initial foray into this to accomplish and to degrade Iran was worth it. But now we're now weeks, weeks into something that shouldn't be continuing.
But then why what were the strikes last summer when he said he obliterated the nuclear program? So then why did we need to do it again? So somewhere
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Somewhere along the line he's not telling the truth.
Let me stop'cause I think you guys are exactly where the conversation the conversation's in a quagmire almost as well as what's going on between Iran it's it's not clear to me. what this White House has in in terms of their ex what's acceptable to them beyond the nuclear issue. And the reason why we care about that is because the number of steps between where we are and the nuclear issue are vast.
Yes, and negotiating an agreement on the nuclear issue is incredibly technical and challenging, and that's doesn't seem to be the point where they are at this point. Um, you know, this is a real challenge for for the president, for the White House to find a way out of this that is a win. Um and
Which is when you start being like, what about the Abraham Accords? What about the Allies? What about, what about, what about? And weirdly, everyone on your right, everyone who supported you, now is suddenly an Iran expert. Here is one of them, uh Bill Marr. Bill Maher was on Billy Bush's Hot Mike's.
To the right now?
Not to the right supporting of. But you know what? Makes sense of this politics when you hear it. Here he is.
There's still a possibility that that regime will be overthrown. my personal feeling is they missed their window. They should they should have started the war when the people were in the streets because that's was the time to do it. Thought it was a good idea to try. I thought they fed up a lot of what they of actually doing it and now let's not make a bad situation worse. Let's let's get out of this yeah as cleanly as we can.
It goes to like why are we there in the first place? What was the state what was the goal of the thing?
I'm trying to figure out where my sunglasses are so I can be more thoughtful for you this time.
All it takes is a appearance on a podcast.
You know why? He pretends to be an Iran expert. I'm gonna pretend to be a military expert. You know why we didn't go in earlier when there were those protests? Because we were busy over in Venezuela. We had no troops over there. We had to move our assets across the world. in order to be there. There are a lot of other things at play here, but his final point I think is spot on and it's what we're all saying today. And I don't want to put words in your mouth. It's time.
I kinda know what she's going to say.
Why are we in Venezuela?
Like what are we doing here?
Okay. It's terrifying. Um but I think we're gonna have more people to talk about this later because while we're sitting here talking about this, the Strait of Hormuz being closed, the people of Iran remain under the regime that has held them down forever. And people are asking what is next. I want to turn to this.
Eugene Carroll, remember that name? Well, she now joins Trump's retribution list through the Justice Department. They are now investigating this Trump accuser. And then we're gonna turn to former First Lady Jill Biden opening up about the night that Frankly doomed her husband's. Bid for a second term. And a search is underway after a deadly incident at a Washington state factory.
The mill workers I've talked to want full accountability. They want a comprehensive, unbiased investigation into how this could have happened.
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It's now 13 minutes past the hour. Here are five things making news this morning. Recovery crews are searching for nine people presumed dead after an industrial incident at a Washington state paper plant. At least two others have been confirmed dead after a tank containing hazardous Chemicals ruptured on Tuesday. Now, the incident also injured eight people, and it led to a chemical spill in the Columbia River.
Five alive. We find them.
So new video showing the moment divers found five of the seven people who were trapped in a cave in Laos for more than a week. The men were found sitting on a rocky ledge surrounded by flood waters. Rescuers are now focused on getting them supplies and preparing them for the difficult extraction process. Two others are still missing.
And federal officials are downplaying allegations of inhumane conditions inside an ICE detention facility in New Jersey. Lawmakers and attorneys have reported detainees being given spoiled food with work. Or mold. Families say some detainees have gone on a hunger strike and labor strike and have faced retaliation.
They're singling him out! This is a collective unified team of over 300 detainees across all units inside. It is not just a one person.
And there was only a handful of individuals that was refusing to eat because they want their ethnic group or their ethnic ripe food. Well they can go back to their country and get whatever food they want. Uh the fact is we're giving them the calories they want. Uh this isn't holiday in.
So protesters have gathered outside the facility all week in support of the hundreds of detainees. And a Google software engineer accused of using inside information to make bets on the prediction market platform polymarket. Prosecutors say he placed yes and no bets related to who would be the most searched person on Google, and he made roughly$1.2 million in the process. And the Department of Justice.
¶ Justice Department Weaponization Debate
Launching a fresh criminal investigation into Eugene Carroll. She's the former magazine columnist who accused President Trump of sexual assault. The investigation is focused on whether Carroll committed perjury in her two civil lawsuits against the president. Carol was awarded a total of$88.3 million from the two civil suits. Both judgments remain unpaid and under appeal.
Um, I was sort of surprised to see this name in this case come back, especially after going through the civil system. But I guess we shouldn't be.
You know, in in the criminal justice system.
But we're not that we're we're in the Trump justice.
What I what I was going to say is that in convictions aren't even the goal necessarily. Investigations are are painful, they are expensive, and that can be enough in this
Yeah.
Well that is the difference. And I think what we really need to talk about in the in the previous uh iterations of DOJ, they did go after political enemies. They did uh utilize the IRS for political reasons, they just did it quietly. Trump puts a lot of this stuff out there in front of the public because I think you're exactly right. The pain point is the is the is the point.
Though to be clear, the allegations about the prior Justice Department, I'm I'm not gonna fight you on that, but there's some factual things we we'd wanna go through and talk about. I understand the position of Trump era White House and officials. Um I can't make this comparable list necessarily for a Biden White House or an Obama White House, but at this point
You can't because they were a lot quieter about it or more quiet about it than what the Trump administrative
Or they were guilty.
Well look look, uh and there are several Republicans who will say Eric Holder was the was the exact Eric Holder was as political, if not more, than any DOJ in the first Trump administration, and probably was the gold standard by which this Trump administration is utilizing the DOJ.
Where there are people in law enforcement and in justice who believe that that is a separate branch of government and that their investigations are objective. You I know we don't believe that anymore, but I want that for you.
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After the race on CNN this morning, we're gonna be talking about this whole thing to build data centers. It comes with a lot of risks, not just the ones you expect. A national security expert is gonna be here to talk about what's at stake. And then we're gonna have a live look at the construction of the arena for UFC 250 on the White House lawn.
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We can either be controlled by AI, or we can control our future and dictate how we're going to utilize AI and what it's going to look like. Across the country, communities are grappling with the AI boom and the massive data centers that feed it. According to data from environmental activist Aaron Brokovich,
There are well over a hundred AI data centers either already built, under construction, or being proposed nationwide. And each of them have a massive need for electricity to power the computers inside and water to keep them cool. The cost of that energy consumption, the threat to the water supply, the health risks, it's got a lot of people worried.
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Yeah.
We're worried about our water. We live in the desert.
This is probably not my type of a crowd, so what do we have in common? We don't like being treated poorly.
But there's one more thing. We've got a former Defense Department official saying there is another security risk being overlooked with these giant data centers. And joining the group chat is Jason Ratzi, former director of the Pentagon's Office of Strategic Capital and also the president of Public at WebAI. So you're in the industry, but you're also raising this concern.
And mostly people have been talking about environmental issues. What is the national security risk to you that has surfaced in the last couple of weeks and months? Right.
Um, you know, I think anytime you centralize uh power, data, and now artificial intelligence, you create an acute threat for our adversaries. And I think you only have to look back. In the last few weeks at the Ironine bombing of data centers in the Middle East to see the potential effect of of centralized AI through data centers and the impact that can have on
Which people were surprised about, right? I mean, doing desalination plants, something like that, is really considered quite serious crime. Military bases somehow seem like an war affair target. The data centers I feel like surprised a lot of folks.
Data centers are in a gray zone. You know, they cater to our commercial and civilian needs, but they also cater to supporting our military operations. And we're seeing organizations and the government become dependent on AI systems that enhance military capabilities or enhance our everyday way of life.
Now um one of the things I notice is the president invoked section three hundred three of the Defense Production Act, which basically said that that uh power grid infrastructure is essential when it comes to national defense. And he wanted to fast track the supply chains and the shifts there. Everyone I know has been talking about the infrastructure and the power grid forever. Is there a way to shore it up defensively?
I mean one hundred percent, you know, our power grids and energy infrastructure are critical to our US national and economic security. But I think we needed to be thinking about alternative approaches to AI. You know, at Web AI we focused on local first approaches, AI that run on your laptops, on your tablets, on your phones, as little data centers in your pocket.
That's the AI that allows us to minimize the strain on the grid while still maximizing the use of this technology for our day-to-day life.
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The other thing we noticed we were doing research for this segment, and there was this fascinating thing. Wired was reporting that law enforcement agencies around the country have noted a threat. Coming from a new kind of they said category of people and activities, people who are against. AI and data centers and sort of like uh they're worried could take some sort of action. You're nodding. Is it something you've heard about, or you're just not surprised?
I think anytime you believe that the only way to access the next generation of technology is by renting it. You know, we think about centralized AI as you have to rent AI.
Well not that we think, they make us pay for credits.
Hundred percent, right? You know, and Web AI, we're focused on providing solutions where individuals can own their AI. You know, we work with big fitness companies, with tech companies, we also work with industrials and steel.
But I feel you offering this service because there is a lane for people who will instead of looking at communities and saying, this data center is good for you, AI is coming, there's nothing you can do about it. There is now a lane to appeal to a customer or frustrated citizen who feels like they're being steamrolled by the process. Is that what you're seeing? Like is this a bipartisan issue? Is this somehow an independent issue?
I I think that this is going to be a major political issue going forward and uh you you see it. I I talk to swing voters regularly, people who've voted for both parties.
These voters are bringing up AI and data centers to me unsolicited and they're very concerned. They're concerned about what it means for jobs, but they're also concerned about uh these centers going into their communities when they don't want them there and and just the sense of powerlessness that people feel that this steamroller is coming.
I understand that your company is trying to offer an alternative to the grid system, but the flip side is the biggest players in the industry are doing the plunk down the data center system. Um, is there any sense in the industry that they need to figure out how to talk about the energy concern? Whether it's putting in money, whether it's them being taxed.
Whether or are they just like it's fine we'll build um a solar panel on just our roof and call it a day. Like do they see this as an issue they're gonna have to mitigate if they want to move forward?
Forward.
I mean we see the technology advancing so rapidly that there's multiple solutions that companies are pursuing today, whether
So they're pursuing them at least.
I mean we see the
Is it because they understand the public response or just because the data need is open?
You see the messaging changing over the last few years. You know, whether the messaging's about safety or security, about data or power, there's so many things happening in the industry that I think it's just confusing to people about like what is actually going on. And what we're really focused on and what I see the industry pivoting to is providing
smaller models, more efficient models that run on lower power devices. I mean, you don't think about how much it costs you to charge to to toast a piece of bread, right? And that is really what it requires to run AI models locally. It's only through these centralized data centers that are built on these kind of antiquated business models that create these dependencies that I think scare people.
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Okay, well I hope to have you back. Uh it's always nice to have someone inside the industry running a business trying to figure these things out and can help us understand where it's going, Jason. Thank you so much. Thank you. All right, straight ahead on CNN this morning. Are you skipping breakfast? Because there's a troubling report showing that putting food on the table has become a huge concern for more American families.
Plus, it was hard for a lot of us to watch, but former First Lady Jill Biden says she was terrified during that disastrous 2024 presidential debate.
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Never been a better time to start fasting until right now because the economy is short.
S**t.
And people are barely scraping by, living paycheck to paycheck. People are skipping freaking meals, dude. And then the rhetoric online is largely about uh elitism and privilege and just like screw you kind of like
All right, so these are just some of the stories of Americans who say they're struggling to put food on the table, according to a report by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. The rise in food insecurity is especially remarkable among lower educated and lower income households.
and households with young children. Group chat is back. The things we've talked about earlier have implications for this moment. This looking at the paper today, this says my budget is just broken. Um at a certain point Стоп хавін брекфа.
Yeah, I I you know, like I have been talking to these swing voters as I said, one of them described having to think about well, what am I gonna give up to fill my tank because it's so much more expensive. I I spoke to another voter, a big Trump supporter who b really still believes that he's gonna figure it out with this war.
He is fasting and he's like, Well, you know, there's health benefits, but it saves a lot of money. And so this is not abstract, this is not a few people on social media. This is very real and Um when gas prices are as high as they are, that that is just money out of people's budgets. You know, another person was told me like, you know, my pay isn't going up to keep up with these prices.
Well one of the things that's interesting, first of all the Trump administration did make cuts to SNAP. uh or what they would call reforms uh in excess of 186 billion. Um and still while that's happening the percentage of households that have received food donations is up from June twenty twenty. Uh one of the reasons why I wanted to talk about this is because these this is part of the two tier economy and the Trump administration always comes out and talks about the tier that's doing well.
Your stocks are doing great. Your 401ks are doing great. Are you a boomer who already has wealth? Congrats, this is an amazing economy. Are you in the AI industry? Amazing economy. And then right there, it did not take long to find those voices.
No, not at all. And this is this is really about Uh uh choices that every American has to make at their at their kitchen table. And right now, because of high gas prices, they're making other choices about what they spend their limited capital on. So I am not surprised to see people
Skipping meals. And fr frankly, I'm I am glad we're having this conversation about folks that aren't that are that fall through the cracks, that aren't on government programs, because they are the ones that are making the choices right now.
messaging because Biden era it was hey this economy is not doing great them showing b macro figures and I have deja vu all over again with this White House talking about how great everything is via the stock market and not Like somehow acknowledging this other part.
Yeah, it's like less than thirty percent of people have individu individual stocks and only like sixty percent of people have any investment in the stock market with their retirement. So there's a huge part of the population that that doesn't impact. But I think this is where Republicans and Democrats in 2024, this is where you miss the mark when you sit here and you're talking about cultural issues and you're talking about the Strait of Hormuz being closed.
Nobody cares. They can't pay for their gas. They can't pay for their food. They just want solutions. They don't care if it's Democrats. They don't care if it's Republicans. And that's why we have these change elections. So until the government starts working for the people, you are going to see these massive flip-flops back and forth every single time because they just want someone to answer their
This is where and I I'm in full agreement with you and I think this is where the politicians really miss it. It's about basic choices and this is where I come back to the kitchen table. If your gas is so expensive that you then can't afford other things. Well then we should be talking about lowering gas prices because there's certain things that all America is not a very important thing.
That's what it's like having these political conversations. It's like it devolves into a whataboutism and never a solution.
¶ Jill Biden on Debate Performance
nineteen twenty two and constant dollars. Damn Hoover.
Let me turn back to when people made this decision that you're talking about for a change election. I'm gonna pick a point. The disastrous debate performance by President Biden in the summer of 2024.
Yeah.
And I'm gonna continue to move until we get the total ban on the the the the the total initiative relative to what we're gonna do with more border patrol and more uh asylum officers.
President Trump.
I I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence.
Alright, so for most Americans, that was uncomfortable to watch. For former First Lady Jill Biden, she says it was terrifying. This is what she told CBS.
Horrified w as you saw it unfold?
I wasn't horrified, I was frightened, because I had never, ever seen Joe like that before.
Yeah.
Or sin. Never since.
Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Or seen. Never. No. What happened? I don't know what happened. I mean when I as I watched it I thought, oh my God, he's having a stroke.
And
It scared me to death.
Okay, group chat is back. So here's the New York Post reaction. I'm gonna uh move away from Brain of Terror, which is very subtle, and go to but she didn't make him step down. I think this is the thing people are asking about, which is If Jill Biden was so afraid for his health, should she have said something sooner, more publicly? Does this contribute to the narrative that they withheld this from the public?
I think that polling at the time showed that the American public didn't believe that he was fit for office. um polling now is starting to show that movement in that direction uh uh related to President Trump. But it was very clear, no matter what the White House was saying, no matter what the First Lady was saying, the American people looked at Joe Biden and said he's not up for it.
He's too old.
Uh and and that message didn't make it through the bubble that he
It also didn't make it into the D and C autopsy, but
That polling go is there and that's why they did this debate so early, if you recall. The poll they were always behind in the polling and that is why they wanted to do this debate because he was always showed up for debate nights and always was good at those things. And it backfired for them. But nobody thought that Joe Biden should run for another four years except the people around him. So
talking about one of them. I mean trust me as a spouse if I see my spouse even like hiccup I'm like uh shocked worried what's ha what's happening. So I totally can understand shock.
I'm sorry, I'm sitting here, I'm eye-rolling, I'm doing everything. I I I don't think it's coming across. If my wife saw me having a stroke on stage, I kind of think she might have a little bit of a street.
We're not saying he had a stroke.
But I'm sorry.
Listen, was more interesting. No, no, let's underscore this point. She's trying to say this is a chat this was a moment. Yes. And underscoring that it hadn't happened since. Right.
So what she is saying there is it didn't happen before, it hasn't happened since. It was a discreet moment in that debate. That's the case she's making. I don't know that it's credible, but that is the case.
Right.
Let me bring it forward.
Of twenty twenty four. What this means now is every time a lawmaker or the president goes to the hospital for a test or whatever. Everyone, not just the media, looks around and says, What's going on? So I I wanna d just mention this very briefly. There's a lawmaker, for example, uh I think it's Congressman Keene, who has a medical issue.
Hasn't spoken about it publicly, hasn't been seen in public for months, is reportedly under a doctor's care. We've also have had members of Congress die in the last 18 months. I think people are starting to look around and being like, what the heck? Like how how much do people need to hold on to power that they can't go take care of themselves?
I think that's a widely held view among American voters that, like, my gosh, couldn't we just get some younger people in here? And and I think you actually saw that in the Texas primary runoffs. John Cornyn was the older candidate. I know there are a lot of Yeah, but there also was.
Like inadvertently outed a lawmaker who had been sick and Mike Johnson was like that was in public.
Congressman Green.
Conversation about age age limits here and term limits. This I mean this is we see we saw it in President Biden. We're seeing it in President Trump. He just literally went to the hospital for his third checkup and didn't give a report, which is Really remarkable that that didn't happen.
I think the thought has been w you the public is not owed this information.
You're the president of the United States. You owe the voters what your health is. And I said it with Joe Biden.
Yes.
There was a woman in Texas who was in a memory care facility for six months and nobody knew. Thank you, I forgot her name. Thank you. And so it's like, what are we doing? We need to help be having an honest conversation about age and health. Everybody has parents who have aged and we all see what happens.
And it i w it is not appropriate for the voters. It's also not fair to our younger generations to saddle them with things like debt and all these other decisions that these lawmakers are making that are not going to live the next five years.
¶ UFC Fight at the White House
I can't top that. Okay, Megan, thank you. I wanna No, I'm serious. That was a mic drop. So turning next, we're gonna talk about yet another thing and I suspect Megan's ready for the fight. Uh there's a big UFC fight planned. for the White House lawn. I'm gonna speak with an expert about Trump's connections to the world of mixed martial arts. And then in the meantime, we're talking pop culture on engagement party with my friend Ari Shapiro, new episode.
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we're all thinking, right, the one thing America needs at this moment, while a war is going on, an affordability crisis is here in rising gas prices across the board, is an octagon on the South Lawn.
All right, so podcasters lawmakers calling out President Trump's birthday brawl on the White House lawn as tone deaf. And they're raising questions about security concerns and the cost to taxpayer. Now just fact check here, the UFC says it is going to uh it's gonna cost 60 million to put this thing on out of their pocket. They're only expected to make about 30 million on it. And the C O O of the parent company of the UFC told the sports business journal that despite ending up in the red
It will be a success, saying quote, whatever we lose, again a projected 30 million at this point on the event, are we really losing? Other properties would kill to have the opportunity we're going to have. And for President Trump, it's about a party with 85,000 of his closest friends and his favorite athletes.
I've committed my whole life to this and so To to have a president that's willing to go against and upstream and against the norms is truly special. It's why you you got my vote.
UFC CEO Dana White says leave the politics out of it.
It's on the birthday. Of America. I mean it's the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of America. What better place to celebrate it than the White House? And the thing that you have to understand about me is I respect whoever is the President of the United States. It isn't about red or blue or politics for me. I'm friends with people on the far left and I'm friends with people on the far right. And I consider myself right down the middle.
Joining the group chat, Luke Thomas, MMA analyst. Thank you so much for being here. Um you and I have talked in the past about politics and the MMA and Trump, sort of the connection there, both his um sort of personal interest in fighting which he has always had. I wanted you to respond to what we heard from Dana White, because that feels like new language to me in this discussion, that he is going around saying
Despite me being sort of uh hip to hip with Trump a lot, I'm a down the middle guy and I want all comers. Does that reflect something going on in the audience of UFC?
Uh I just think it it reflects the attempt to promote this event in particular that they wanna cast as wide a net as possible. They're gonna put this on Paramount Plus, they're gonna put it on CBS, but to me it's like I don't really care what his personal politics are, and to be clear, it's not exactly obvious what they are in certain cases, although he has defended Trump's immigration policies, that should be noted.
To me, the bigger issue is not even so much this event, it's that the UFC did more than any other private actor in the run-up to the 2024 election, as well as January 6th. to return the MAGA project to power. They were the one the if you don't count CPAC after January 6th, the first place that that that Donald Trump goes to to get sort of his image rehabilitated is in fact a UFC event. And this happened year after year after year after year.
Is that true? Like if is that is that shifting as we're later on we're gonna talk about shifting poll approval and things like that. Do you think there's been a shift within even the perception of the MMA as a result of this political relationship?
Uh I well it's changed the composition of the sport and I think it's changed the composition of the audience and how the sport actually functions. There is some dissent in the ranks among people related to Trump's performance. That is true. I would caution that that does not in any way mean that they're ready to then adopt the left's policies whatsoever and in fact.
it could lead them to an even further down the right radicalization process. So it's not exactly like they're abandoning one for the other. I just want to be clear, I don't really care what your politics are, but if you materially support the return of Donald Trump to power, you're on the hook for that. It doesn't matter whether your personal politics or I'm in favor of universal school lunches. Who cares?
I wanna talk about the actual ring that's going up, which you know my friends and family hate because of the traffic. Uh but
I saw it yesterday, yeah.
Yeah, some some it's enormous. Uh it is huge. Yeah, we we did have uh a clip from Idiocracy we almost played just because that's a plot line in the film. But I think it's interesting that you were saying in your notes, look, attacking this thing because of what it looks like and where it is, that there's something about that that doesn't sit right with you.
It seems a little classist to me, to be perfectly honest. I mean l listen, uh it's not that I'm opposed to the arguments that for example, I've lived in Washington DC on and off since the nineteen eighties, and I grew I learned how to swim at East Potomac Park. My daughter had her second birthday there. You know, the fact that he's taking that over or that he's re painting the bottom of the reflecting pool blue or he's putting his name on the Kennedy Center.
These are things that you can have a real problem with, or even just a debate or a conversation about. But then calling it tacky or trashy, I'm like, who is this convincing to? This is automatically alienating to people who need to understand there's a bigger problem here, which is not so much the event. I don't really have a problem with the event as such. It's the union between the Ultimate Fighting Championship and Trump's politics or how one enabled the other.
And I think that to me is the thing that people should be focused on.
This is this is either the people's house or it's not the people's house. And I I think to your point it's a bit elitist to be really up in arms over all of it.
Wait, so whose house is that?
Is it the People's House or no?
It looks like it's Trump's house. It's his birthday party.
It is I I don't it's an octagon I think with all the
Well it's not on it's for.
But that's a whole other thing.
Okay.
Yeah, but by the way, to be clear, it's on Trump's birthday. I mean, I c we could c we could dedicate this show to the two hundred fiftieth anniversary.
of the birth of the nation. That doesn't make it a real celebration of it as such. I mean I'm sure they might have some genuine intentions. Yeah. But they moved it originally from a July closer date back to Trump's birthday, I think that like trying to disguise the fact that this is largely about I'm you know, or I should say a big part of it anyway, is about magnifying Trump is just disingenuous.
Right, the reason why I want you to stick around because there's another part of this, as you said.
¶ Shifting Politics and Voter Frustration
Talking about the sort of media infrastructure, whether it's podcasters or the UFC or whoever that helped deliver uh uh an important sliver of voters to Trump when he needed it. Um you've got young male voters who helped Trump. Souring on the president, based on some new figures we've got. So back when the exit polls showed that forty-nine percent of men ages 18 to 19 voted for Trump in the 2024 election.
Fast forward to now, the latest Harvard Institute of Politics youth poll. 28% of men in this age range now approve of the president. And then there's many of the podcasters who helped elevate the president's campaign, who are talking as though they have buyer's remorse, especially after the war with Iran.
What?
Mm-hmm.
what farmer is this helping? What regular person is this helping? I I just don't know. I don't understand. So yeah, that's what that's what uh that's what our president's up to and it's fing baffling. And it's sick and it feels like he's just been compromised.
Uh do you hear this also in uh your circles?'Cause you are also a man who podcasts. I won't put you in the manosphere. Yeah, mil military service, uh also the uh fighting part and also the podcasting part, you're literally the best person to have.
I'm one of them anyway. Uh yes, there is clear dissension in the ranks. I can feel it. It is absolutely there. They can tell I mean listen, the idea is n it's not very complicated to understand. He made a series of campaign promises and has abandoned them. This is very, very
Let me let Mike answer that.
No, I think you're absolutely right. That this is spot on and you've got when you're talking about a group of people that are eligible for lex selective service and you've got you know, with wars going on and it costs you to to fill up your your truck, your car, whatever.
Through the roof. We've just had that affordability, you know, pick your breakfast or pick your your pickup truck conversation. I th uh a lot of these um streams are going in the wrong direction from uh the way I think the president promised during the campaign.
Um do these guys just stay home or can Democrats pick them up?
I think Democrats have some work to do to pick them up, but I don't think they've I don't think
I've all been talking about it.
There's none forever. I always go, there's no solutions. How are you going to lower the cost of gas? How are you lowering the cost of groceries? Because these that's what people actually care about and that's why people aren't just here. Democrats need to come up with solutions. People don't think their government is working for them and it's they're more about themselves than a party. And I think that before we need to start realizing that because we're gonna lose
I thought the whole thing was that Trump there were also vibes. He could sit with the O Vaughn and talk to Vaughn about his substance abuse. He could sit with whoever and joke with them about. He could talk about fights. It wasn't ju it was the whole thing like the Bush era thing of can you have a beer with the guy? And it feels like I don't know if Democrats have come up with some
Analog
There is no analog whatsoever to that. I cannot be clearer about this. It is true that the audience that I deal with, you can feel how upset they are with Trump. But this idea that they're automatically now reconsidering the ideas of the Democratic Party is just cope.
Well, okay, okay. Did Dara jump in? But I do want you to answer, let's say, the planter question in Maine, right? You got a guy who's got a story that would be familiar to you, right? Like I'm someone who I was lost, but now I see, and I was this, and now all of a sudden I am an economic positive.
Wow, that's one way to cut that. Yeah.
I'm doing the cliff notes. But the point is What he's trying to sell is that you Democrats should drop your litmus test and take a flawed person, and that is how you're going to reach these voters.
I think that they want someone who can offer in my this is my opinion. They want someone who can offer a bold progressive vision that actually keeps us out of forever wars, that actually tackles how we're gonna get healthcare, that actually tackles how we're gonna be able to afford our groceries or every other thing at the at the at the point of sale.
These are the real commitments that Graham Platner has made, which I grant, I grant, I grant. He is a flawed candidate, and I say that as someone who is progressive himself. I get it, I understand. But g relative to what Susan Collins has failed to do, this is obviously a fresher message. But just getting out there and being like, I'm gonna be a standard Democrat, I'm gonna talk like a standard Democrat, I'm gonna look like a standard. This convincing too.
What if you what if you eat steak?
Okay, Trump ate steaks too. I mean I don't know what that's supposed to mean.
¶ Global Politics and Closing Thoughts
All right, since you're new to the chat, we're gonna find out what's in your group chat. What are y'all talking about? Are you talking about this fight?
Uh my group chat, no. My friends and family don't watch MMA, actually. So actually, but I am focused on the elections in Colombia. This weekend they are gonna be had there for president. Petro is out.
And or he will be out anyway. And so it's a ri this is supposed to be America's ostensibly number one ally in South America. And it's a pretty interesting election. You got two right wing candidates, you got one left-wing. The left wing one is leading in the polls, Cepeda, but the guy who could upend the whole thing. Del Espiegia, this guy is a Bukele clone to the
And he has a lot of support from people who are worried about the insecurity. You know, there was an assassination that happened on the right there recently, or relatively recently anyway. So that's gonna be a huge election to follow to see what kind of posture the
Well look at this. I'm gonna have to go not to the sports guy but this other guy to talk about a sports group chat.
Yeah, my sports group chat or my group chat is about the Protect College Sports Act of twenty twenty six'cause what we need is Congress to get involved in some more sporting events because it works out so well.
Well, so you're okay with the White House lawn but Congress, you're like young
They're putting on one match. This is Congress deciding, you know what, college sports is screwed up, which it is.
Correct.
We're now gonna step in because we've got so much knowledge. They can't talk about gas prices, but they can fix college.
Last word to you, Megan.
Oh obviously it's week one of the summer house reaching out. It is important to everyone out there. It it did not disappoint. Normally it does disappoint always, but there's two more uh two more of these, so it'll be great. Oh, let's hear about it for two more weeks, guys.
Last word?
Ha ha ha.
Disgust. I'm sorry.
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