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That is Zoran Mandani, the Democrats' new power broker. Candidates he backed made a big statement in New York last night.

Revamp and recharge a Democratic Party in Washington that has in so many ways failed to meet the moment.

And a stark intelligence warning. The next major cyber attack could be just months away. and humans may have little to do with it. And JFK's only grandson just lost his primary in New York. Where does that leave the legacy that a lot of people used to call Camelot? And something Zoran Mamdani and Donald Trump can agree on, a big triumph in Washington for an issue that couldn't be closer to home.

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A clean sweep for Zaran Mamdani. Good morning, everybody. I'm Audi Cornish. And here's what we're talking about today: the three progressives who were backed by New York City's Democratic-Socialist Mayor. All of them won their house primaries last night. So you had former city controller Brad Lander ousted two-term Congressman Dan Goldman after a bruising campaign that focused heavily on their differences over Israel.

Democrats are painfully divided by our differences over the U.S. relationship to Israel.

Israel and Palestine.

And we have to face up to it.

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Amen.

Our party needs to admit that Joe Biden's hug BB strategy was a catastrophic

Failure.

And State Assemblywoman Claire Valdez, Mamdani-backed Democratic Socialist, will be the Democratic nominee for New York's 7th Congressional District. And Daria Aliza Avila Chevalier, another Democratic Socialist, captured New York's thirteenth district, defeating incumbent Adriano Espiat. So it was a rough night for the old guard in New York. They're two incumbents who were defeated.

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seasons of disappointment and seasons of triumph. What matters is that we continue showing up, we continue believing, we continue fighting for something bigger than just ourselves. And so while my service in Congress may end at the end of this year. My commitment to these ideals

Will not.

Joining me now in the group chat, Ron Brownstein, CNN senior political analyst, Jared Stepman, contributor at the Daily Signal, and Antoine Seawright, Democratic Party strategist. Um Antoine, I'm gonna start with you'cause this is all about Democrats last night and the Democratic Party, except it kind of was about the Democratic Socialists instead. Um you had someone like uh Hakeem Jeffries on Wednesday.

There are 215 members of the House Democratic caucus. A handful of primaries that go in one direction or the other in a given state or two aren't gonna reshape who we are as House Democrats.

Is this denying the reality of where voters are headed?

A few takeaways from last night. One, I think that these New York primaries or not some big poll big bull print or summary of where the totality of the Democratic Party is heading. Number two, I would argue that the big takeaway from last night was the robust

Sounds like a parallel buffet. Hold on, let me no no no before you go, Jamie Harrison. Democrat. He was saying um I think this is twenty third, uh almost midnight, he's tweeting this. Political parties aren't perfect, but they're built by millions of people who knock doors, make calls, fight for the values they believe in. And then he says this because a lot of people are

Sure. We are expansion growing paints that happens on both sides of the aisle. But what I tell you, what I will tell you is that the big takeaway for the New York primaries last night was New York seventeen, a moderate candidate. uh who will take on Mike La Lawler, a swing district in New York that will help us get the majority. Democrats progressive winning and Democratic safe seats is not some narrative that we should just

It it is really a two track story, I think, that it it is not as simple as as being portrayed. And Juan is right. I mean, in safe Democratic seats in blue places, there is no question the party is moving to the left. If you are an incumbent kind of a mainstream Democrat in a

Um because this is the argument that I've heard over and over and over again with each one of these special elections. There's a moderate doing well. There's someone over here making noise, why? Who are they? But you have Republicans using those voices to be like, look, they're all communists. And does that work against some of these moderate candidates?

Sure, but you can't deny the fact that McDonnie and folks like him are trying to reshape the Democrat Party. I thought a lot of the issues were actually less just directed toward Donald Trump, which you see a lot of the Democrat Party is opposition to Trump. This is about internal debates within the party. I mean th it's very clear now that Israel's becoming a litmus test for many, especially in these deep blue districts.

Extreme, can't win generals. Why are they doing this? Where is the party going? Bush Republicans melting down, you know, like witches in the Wizard of Oz. It was a whole thing. Are you speaking from experience or are you poking at the weak spot?

No, it is experience. It it the the populist politics of the right have reshaped the Republican Party. I think the Democrat Party is going through a similar period that the establishment is seen as not being as credible. They've they've taken some lumps, they've gone against Trump and lost in 2024. Many of the Bernie Sanders style politicians feel that they're in they're in a good

Yeah, sure, in in New York, right? I mean in New York City. I mean, you know, and and There are, look, i i as we're saying this is pri primarily happening in safe blue places so far. There are a few of the Sanders-Warren type candidates who are, who have gotten nominations in competitive races, Maine, Graham Platinum are obviously in the Senate race. There's a California, uh, the race for David Valideo's seat. There's going to be one in Colorado coming up.

Which is back to you.

line has been economics, has been affordability. And I think whether you talk about the progressive left or the centrist left or the modest, however you want to describe them, the through line has been affordability. And I would just say that how you campaign and how you govern are two different things.

Okay, we're gonna talk more about some of these races, but I wanna turn to one other thing'cause I always like to look at where the money went. So did big tech try to buy New York's political primary? How tech companies spent millions to shape Tuesday's vote. Plus, our immigration courts becoming ICE hunting grounds, a federal judge has decided to step in.

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President Trump is failing to get his way in the Senate. He wants to pass his voting requirements bill known as the Save Act, and he wants the Senate to end the filibuster to override Democrats to get it done. Senator Tom Tillis, a Republican, says that's not gonna happen.

This is a waste of time. It's a distraction and it's not gonna get it's not gonna happen in this Congress. He's just gotta understand some of the limits that we have here in the Senate. Talking's good, savak's a waste of time.

Last night, several Republicans crossed party lines to vote for a war powers resolution demanding that the president come to Congress if he wants to continue a war with Iran. Now the battle over these bills is coming to a head for Senate Leader John Thune. He's facing not just Trump, but rival Republicans gunning for his job and willing to use Trump's frustration to get it.

Yeah, I think this is really an interesting moment, especially for the filibuster, I would say, that that Trump is using this moment to say, look, it needs to be done away with to get what we want.

use it with something they don't want and that they can't pass why

President Trump especially has actually had some criticism even from his own voters that he hasn't paid enough attention to domestic politics, that he's been focused on international affairs. The Save America Act, which is very popular amongst the Republican base, is something that needs to happen. And so Trump I think is getting pressure from his own voters and he is now pressuring the Senate thinking well

But why not press an M.

This last six six months.

Like if you're like if their problem is focusing on domestic policy, why not do something that actually affects their pocket?

I think because Republican voters also see elections as mattering, they they very much support voter ideas.

Okay. What do you see?

I see meet the new boss, same as the old boss. What was the issue on which there was the most pressure to end the filibuster during Joe Biden's presidency? HR one, voting reform, the democratic vision of what national voting rules should be. And ultimately they could not they did not have enough votes to pass uh to uh end the filibuster in the Senate, mansion and cinema and others who were mostly

So one other thing, Rick Scott of Florida, uh I was reading the reporting was the one who might have invited invited Trump. You're nodding, you heard this too, invited Trump to this lunch. Thune was like, oh yes, I too want him at this lunch. And so now they're gonna have to face Trump. You've been in leader meetings, I know on House side, but how does this go down?

Oh, it'll be whatever happens in the meeting will be leaked to the press before the meeting ev even ends. That's like number one. Okay. Number two, but I think this whole idea of the Save America Act or voter suppression.

And I'm gonna put up while you're speaking what's in it so people can see.

The the vote of suppression that is a larger narrative. that the president and his party are trying to implement to strike fear and intimidation and voter suppression into the midterms. You add this with redistricting, you had this with his executive order on banning mail and voting.

Rob Ron's point which is that under Democrats people didn't want to mess with it and under Republicans now people don't want to mess with it. They see voting as the province of the state. They already have watched this redistricting war, and this brings me to this point. Why is it with a war powers vote, I'm going to show you the Republicans who cross the aisle with voting, why are these the trigger points that have inspired a certain courage? Well,

Sixty nine percent of Americans in a poll on Sunday said the war was not worth the costs. I mean that's you know you you can find a lot of courage in a in a sixty-nine percent issue. And it is still like even on the voting, the vast majority of each party's legislators are willing to vote for

There are things in here Democrats can campaign on. As a woman with a hyphenated name, I've been watching this closely. I don't want to get to the polls and be told, well, wait a second, are you who you say you are? It feels like this is an issue that can be easily brought to voters. Antoine. But that Republicans I mean, if Thune is saying it's not there, are the people going after him just trying to curry favor with Trump to show look, I would have done this on your agenda if it was me.

But some of the issues, like for instance, voter idea is extremely

No, answer my question. Is it a power move on Thune to basically bring him before the president and tell everyone, look what he's not doing, I would have done

No question. And this is sort of the independence that the Senate has sort of always had as as a body, uh sees itself as outside the president. I think you get a little less of that opposition in the House.

I I think you have convenient independence because more than not they have aligned themselves with Donald Trump on almost every single issue. And that's why Senate Republicans are so unpopular because the president is underwater. on every single issue. I also think Thune understands now that the affordability crisis is right at their doorstep and they're taking responsibility for it. And the Donald Trump agenda is very unpopular amongst the American people, including

They also passed a housing bill last night, bipartisan. We're not gonna hear about it because they're gonna be so it's like that kind of thing where it's like, wait, you have an item you could be promoting to the voter. Look, we got a bipartisan housing bill. Instead you're like Really I want to go after all these different voting things. How about we spend time on that?

The thing that's frustrating for senators and both parties is they are much less able than when I first got to Washington in the eighties to swim against the current. You know,

No reward for that.

You look, if you look at the the t there are twenty-five states that voted three times for Donald Trump. Right now there are fifty Republican senators in those twenty-five. They have every sentence seat. Nineteen states voted three times against him. Democrats have every one of those sentence seats except for

There's also now a small caucus of people burned by Trump in the Republican caucus. And they're on their way out, but on their way out they may say, I'll cast a few votes the way I want. That's how that's how courage is built. Um, okay, you guys. Thank you for this. Straight ahead on CNN this morning, NATO sending its Trump whisperer.

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Big tech.

In a sign of what to come in the midterm elections, AI companies poured cash into the race, Michael Lasher is the winner, but the second place finisher, Alex Boris, who calls for AI regulation, was at the center of a proxy battle between OpenAI and Anthropic. Super PACs, partially funded by CloudMaker Anthropic, spent a whopping$18 million in support of Alex Boris, and then a super PAC, partially funded by OpenAI's co-founder, spent eight million dollars opposing him.

Last year I passed the strongest AI safety bill in the country over Donald Trump's executive order. I followed it up this year with the strongest bill to protect kids from AI chatbots. Both of those bills were opposed by the entire AI industry, including bianthrop. It's just that the battle lines in this race in particular are whether we can regulate AI at And for that question, most people are on the side that we need some regulation.

So joining us in the group chat, Maria Curie, Tech Reporter for Axios. Thank you for being here. Uh while we're talking, I'm going to put up the names of some of the future super packs. These are guys who spent money in opposition um to Alex Boris. You have Mark Andreessen, Ben Horowitz, uh Greg Brockman, who is president and co-founder um of OpenAI. Why this spending on this district?

You know, it's really interesting because at the end of the day, Alex Boris and Michael Lasher have a lot of similarities when it comes to AI.

That's why I didn't get it. I was like I don't understand this spending.

Right, Lash year is actually the co sponsor of the RAISE Act, which is one of the strongest safety uh legisl bills in the country right now. Lasher also supports a data center moratorium and that's something that's one of the most extreme AI positions to be taking right now. And so I think what this ultimately did was make Alex Boris a stronger candidate, a more well known candidate.

In the future.

In the future.

And then let me play for you. In the meantime, they might have woke up this morning to hear this from Micah Lasher, as we said, uh New York Twelve. Here's how he talked about it.

What's at stake here then?

At the end of the day, you know, this super PAC across the country, the Leading the Future Super PAC, has spent more than a hundred million dollars in races, and out of the twenty nine races.

Say that again.

This super PAC, Leading the Future, has spent more than one hundred million dollars in racism.

I've been talking about APAC. I've been talking about vote vets on war. And in the meantime, in the background, you're telling me a hundred million dollars has been spent.

More than a hundred million dollars and out of the twenty nine races that they have gotten involved in, they've won twenty eight.

The other thing I'm interested in, uh I was reading in Notice uh the newsletter, Palantir hiring two new lobbyists with Democratic Party ties. Is this a thing where they're leaning into the party they think will be in power um midterm?

It could be that. You know, what's really interesting about the Palantir talking point in all of this saga is that the co-founder of Leading the Future is a Palantir co-founder as well. And he went after Boris over Boris's ties to Palantir, even though Boris left. Because of ethical concerns. And so Palantir has become kind of a a sticking point in all of this, but it's across the aisle present.

Probably'cause the co fo uh the co CEO or CEO, Alex Carp, um just in March said this to CNBC. He's not shying away from the question of how the public will react as voters.

If you are going to disrupt the economic and therefore political power significantly of one party space, highly educated often female voters who vote mostly Democrat and military and working class people who do not feel supported and you feel like that's you believe that that's gonna work out politically, you're in an insane asylum.

Alex Harp is interesting in his own political donations. He's gone back and forth between Democrats and Republicans. It's like as in a personal level he can't decide. But I think what we've been hearing across the board from CEOs are these big alarmist statements whether it has to do with jobs. It's mostly had to do with job displacement and yet they are moving as fast as possible to release this technology, which begs the question

The the class inversion since the s eighties and seventies is really one of the most powerful uh dynamics in American politics with Republicans doing better among blue-collar

Big time.

Education to our democrats.

You had Microsoft's uh AI uh Microsoft's chief actually allude to this, talking about on the similarities between the promises of globalization eighties, nineties, and what turned out to be the reality for workers after. For my partisans This is money that lawmakers don't know how to feel about yet. Because in some places, like a Utah, red state, they fought the hell out of a data center. And then you have candidates like this, Democrats, talking about regulation.

Yeah, I mean I think there's a certain amount of localism here. I mean the Republican Party on the national level seems to be much more of the AI optimist party. On the local level it's very diff it's very different. In fact and it it reflects the fact that a lot of Americans on the left and right are very nervous about AI. They don't quite know what to make of it and they're more concerned about it.

And we should say Trump did sign an AI executive order. I was talking with Marie earlier about how first there was supposed to be a big announcement, then they pulled it after some griping from the tech guys, and then they actually signed one, which does encourage

When you talk about AI, Ron, we're not talking about Antoine intelligence. We're talking about artificial intelligence.

Yeah, we did not make that mistake but continue.

I think within my part of their real conversations about how they impact these communities locally from driving up high utility costs that most Americans cannot afford from the environment.

But that's why I'm asking. It's not clear where the parties fall on these days.

I think I think we have a mixed bag I think we have mixed bag feelings within the party. uh because I don't think that people are clear about the long-term impact and effects that they're gonna have on communities. And I would just say for folks who are taking money um from AI and still not um certain about where they staying, I call that research.

Okay. In the meantime, let me come to you about this warning. Because first of all, there's always warnings about AI. Every few weeks, every few months, to be honest. Um And the latest one, you know, it it's giving Skynet just the idea that there could be um the next hack that comes could be, I guess, driven by the AI itself. Can you explain this?

Here's why this executive order matters and is important, and it has to do with this as well. This executive order essentially says that AI companies they need to have a certain level of transparency and it's voluntary but AI labs realize they have to do it.

And Anthropic did something like this in fact just a few months ago.

And received explicit approval from the government to release its models, but we're now seeing that they've shut down their most advanced models to allies around the country and even foreign nationals within the US, including top researchers at Anthropic. How do you protect against cyberattacks if you don't have access to the most advanced markets?

Especially if you're used to Trump is used to doing transactional business with political allies and friends. So with Anthropic, right, he and Heg seth they get sideways with Anthropic. They don't like the person who runs it. And yet still the technology was so, let's say, scary That anthropic in the middle of being called a supply chain risk went to the government and said, I think you should know about this. There's this weird push-pull where like

Right, and we've reported on this, you know, extensively that this does have to do with real cybersecurity concerns that these models could be jailbroken. Yeah. But it also has to do with personality clashes and the fact that the anthropic CEO has not figured out a way to communicate effectively with the Trump administration and we're seeing OpenAI a ri a rival AI lab continue to release advanced models and not face export controls the way anthropic.

Because they're gonna go with him to the Middle East, they're gonna go with him to all like the relationship is there. Okay, um since this is nonpartisan, thank you guys for playing with me on it. It affects us all. Maria Curie, thank you so much for being here.

It is possible to find bipartisan common ground on legislation.

Alright, so we all agree the rent is too high, but can Congress come together to fix it?

Once upon a time, the name Kennedy carried some major weight in US politics. Last night Jack Schlossberg, JFK's only grandson, lost in a crowded and expensive congressional primary in New York City. He's Caroline Kennedy's 33-year-old son. Strossberg finished a disappointing third in a race that also had all of that AI spending we just talked about, and well-known cable news name George Conway. Sberg spoke after his d his defeat.

We need to do things differently. We don't just need

Younger.

We need candidates. We need different leaders. We need different voices.

Uh unfortunate background for him there since he is quite literally on the cutting room floor. Um but everybody liked the way he had a deft use of the media, which is also part of the Kennedy legacy.

Yeah, look, I mean we are I think further from JFK's election than he was from the Spanish American War. Uh okay. So

But we are closer to the arguments about the effects of TV and celebrity on politics.

Look, I mean, you know, um yeah having name ID is valuable. I mean it's it's it's tangible. It's it's it's it it costs you a lot of money to get known. Like look at what happened in California. I mean you know, in in like in the governor. It's it's it costs a lot of money to get known, but it doesn't supersede everything else.

That's what I said.

Name name doesn't mean game wrong. Right.

Have you been saving that?

But name doesn't mean game and I think when you have this change election environment where people want to test drive something different, I don't think the name uh relatability helps you in these cases.

Do you think that actually played against him?'Cause he was trying to show things need to change. He was speaking the language of the modern democratic party.

He was speaking to some in the moderate Democratic Party, but also there's something about local relationships and how they play out in these elections. I think the winner in that district had solid foundational local relationships that gave them the uh ultimately the advantage.

Yeah, and I just I don't know if the Kennedy name has much cachet, especially with w it's already going out with millennials. Gen Z M.

See, we argued about this just now. Anyone who watched FX's love story has picked up a cigarette and relived the nineties because of the Kennedy.

Very long time ago. A little mystique. But it's been broken, I feel, within the last few generations. That's how far we're getting.

With RFK in the White House?

That's the reason people voted against him.

I tried. I tried. I'm trying to help y'all in this

Today's vote proves that it is possible to find bipartisan, common ground on legislation that actually helps the American people.

If we would just Focus on the American people and listen when they speak. We would remember two things. Number one, they hire us. We

Okay.

So this could be the first clear sign that Congress is hearing the concerns from the American people around the issue of affordability. So what's in this legislation? It would limit private equity from buying up homes. We know this is a really big issue from people who are concerned that private equity is buying up homes and driving up costs. Um it's supposed to make manufacturing homes easier and cheaper to build.

I I I am th well, uh it's funny'cause I was thinking of of President Trump at the twenty twenty Republican convention. Talking about how Democrats want to uh override zoning rules and bring multifamily housing to all the suburbs. I mean that was like a big that was a big thing. And and essentially it was it was bringing non white people to white suburbs was kind of the clear underlying

That's legislatively tough. Is it politically tough to tell private equity to kick rocks when they give money in elections as well? I mean these are huge entities.

They are, but there's a groundshole of American of the American people who are very upset with the fact that their housing's very expensive, especially the younger generations. A lot of millennials and youngers can't afford a house.

Because right now we're gonna put up that polling. 70% disapproval on the economy. Are they blaming Trump for that?

I don't know if they're blaming Trump. Of course. He's the president of the United States, so people of course are gonna be angry at the party in power, and that's that seems to be Trump. But at the same time, again, you saw this is a a a bipartisan bill. People are angry about the housing issue, period. It's uh it's on it's happening in blue states and red states across the board.

I think this is a step in the right direction, but by and large I think this is a pimple on a rhinoceros butt when you think about

I'll have up with this.

about the housing crisis that we're facing in this country because it's largely around affordability. The average homeowner, first time home own homeowner in this country now is 40 years old. People cannot afford to pay the rent. You've had a Republican Party and including

Wait, one second. I just want to point out one thing. I played Tim Scott at the start of that. I did not play Tim Scott earlier in the show when we were talking about Trump's lead priorities in the Senate, which are the Save Act and the filibuster. So why is the guy whose main job is getting more senators hired who are Republicans Not in that conversation, but featured heavily in this one.

Well you can run but you can't hide. The reality is he Tim Scott understands that every single issue that they campaigned on in the last election cycle, Republicans and Donald Trump are underwater on, and he does not want to bear the responsibility for losing the majority.

How do you avoid that?

Well no, we and they are facing the the conundrum of the president's party in a midterm when the president is unpopular. On the one hand They clearly need to keep Trump relatively quiescent so that he will do what they need to help turn out their voters. On the other hand, Trump is looking at a 70% disapproval rating among independents and they also need independent voters.

All right, we're gonna hear a lot this week, especially after this lunch today where the president is heading to the hill. We've got stuff going on um with Israel and Lebanon. I want to hear about your group chats for a minute. Let's cleanse the timeline. What are you Talking about your

I'm actually getting geared up for the fourth July for the two fiftieth celebration of New York City. I'm very excited actually in New York City.

Killed you!

I I know it's still June, but it's very important for we've got a the parties ready to go and for me my tradition's always been to go uh usually when I was in Washington DC I'd visit Mount Vernon, put flowers by the grave of Washington. Now I'm gonna go to the Hamilton's grave in New York City. Uh

You're not gonna go to the the show?

Yeah, New York?

Why are you hating on vanilla? I was I'm just trying to figure out if he's going to

No, no, you know what? I'm gonna be in New York City. Uh I think there's gonna be a huge s celebration there.

With Democrats.

But I I will personally go to Hamilton's grave and put some flowers there. I think he deserves it. Well done. And uh it's something that's important to me.

All right, Antoine, what about?

My group chat is the co endorsement from the president and our Republican gubernatorial primary. Uh it's new water. We're swimming in here. New tradition. But it's um Ron, it's almost like if you're s from South Carolina, you appreciate this. Cheering for the Gamecocks and the Clemson Tigers in the Pimentel Bowl. It's just unprecedented. Trump has lost in Iowa, he's lost in Georgia. He was about to lose in South Carolina. So he wanted to throw this Hail Mary pass and endorse two candidates.

It's like those people who live in the middle of Connecticut and had those half Yankee, half Red Sox hats I was like that's what Okay speaking of celebration Speaking of celebrations for July fourth in New York, I my timeline uh m my my group chat literally is obsessed with is Taylor Swift really gonna get married at Madison Square?

Oh.

Because like that would I that

At this point it's happening in Rhode Island.

Because i I mean that would be like the that would be the worst decision ever. I mean like i like if th you view yourself essentially as a product or commodity or phenomenon I don't know. Mom Donnie seemed to like hint that it was a little bit more.

We are gonna have some reporting on this later too.

security for a Knicks game, we can do security for a did he say that?

I

Yeah.

That's a good one.

Uh is the president gonna attend also? I think no. I'm guessing.

I'm guessing no.

JD Vance gonna attend. Also, I'm gonna say it's a no, even if she would no longer be a kind of single cat lady, the worst kind of person to be, according to the vice president. No, he's just apologized. You could read about it in the new book. All right. You guys, thank you so much for talking about this. Ron, I hope you get the answers you're looking for on Taylor Swe Sweating.

Hey I'm Anderson Cooper. On my podcast, All There Is, we explore grief and loss in all its complexities. Wherever you are in the world and in your grief, I'm glad you're here. My guest is actress, writer, artist Sharon Stone. When you think of grief, what do you think of?

I think of the way that I've dealt with it in my life of losing so many members of my immediate family. I think of it with a very open heart.

You came very close to dying.

Yeah. Yeah, in fact some would say I did die and was defibrillated and brought back. I had that white light experience, which has stayed upon my shoulder and made me feel quite safe in this continued existence.

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