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Today in the group chat, deal or no deal, if the US and Iran are really on the brink of ending the war, why are the countries describing the terms so differently?
As the president said, he's not in a hurry. He's not gonna make a bad deal.
And the Secret Service kills a gunman near the White House. This is the third time this month that shots were fired near the president. The unknown is really scary, and only time will tell. A toxic tank in California could spill or explode. Could the discovery of a crack on the surface actually be good news? And now the Pope. artificial intelligence and humanity has Leo joined the growing resistance against AI.
They called.
Paxton ethically challenged is to call Geoffrey Dahmer suffering from an eating disorder.
Tomorrow, Texas voters head to the polls as Trump doubles down on endorsing Ken Paxton. Is he handing Democrats a win this November?
Yeah.
And AOC takes more steps toward a 28 White House bid. She says she won't run. But we've heard this before.
I will serve out my full six year term. So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?
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¶ US-Iran Deal: Initial Analysis
We have a what I think is a pretty solid thing on the table in terms of their ability to open up the straits, get the straits open, enter into a very real, significant time-limited negotiation on the nuclear matters, and hopefully we can pull it off of it.
Progress, but a US official tells CNN a deal with Iran could take a few more days to finalize. Good morning on this memorial day. I'm Audie Cornish and I want to start with the major sticking points in this proposal. The two sides don't seem to agree on some of the the major issues, at least publicly. So on the Strait of Hormuz, Trump says it must be reopened. Iran says it must be under their control.
On Iran's enriched uranium, the US would only go into talks if Iran agreed to give up its stockpile. Iran says it won't start negotiations on uranium until the war is over. Now the president says whatever deal is made, it will be, quote, a good and proper one. He wrote on Truth Social, unlike those before, I don't make bad deals.
Bringing views closer together does not mean that Iran and the United States are going to reach an understanding on issues of such importance, but rather that, based on a set of parameters, we can reach a middle ground solution.
Yeah. Joining me now Peter Birkin, CNN National Security Analyst. I'm glad you're here because once we start throwing around like deal and proposal and these phrases that make it sound like it's closer than it really is. What do you know at this point? What can we say is on the table, so to speak.
Well, on the...
Closing or opening of the Strait of Hormuz, you could imagine a situation where both sides could claim a victory, where it does begin to open, but Iran continues to do things like You have to register to c cross the strait. You may be charged a service fee. Uh th they're doing some kind of a deal with Oman, which is on the other side of the street, perhaps perhaps of of the strait, perhaps to make some kind of deal along this on the along this line.
So both both sides could maybe claim some kind of victory where Iran does really uh kind of pick up a fee, uh, but the street is open.
And then when it comes to nuclear material, I'm under the impression listening to Rubio there, he says enter into a time limited negotiation on nuclear matter. So that's not a deal. That's like we agree to talk more going forward.
Yeah, and of a audience you recall it took more than eighteen months for the twenty fifteen nuclear agreement to be uh negotiated between the Obama administration and Iran. So You know, sixty days may not be enough time to really if hammer out any kind of deal.
Here's what Democrats are saying over this weekend. This is uh Chris Van Halen of Maryland and Senator Corey Booker, their take on what's going on with Iran and Trump.
And this war has been a blunder from the very start. It sounds to me like what this agreement will do is take us back really to the pre war status quo.
But he's got us in a situation that's worse than it was before, a more extreme regime. The Strait of Hormuz now is a leveraging point for them. This weak nation has put America in a stalemate, and Donald Trump is being played as a fool that he is for getting us into this in the first place.
Especially that first line. I remember the German chancellor using the word humiliation. Um but can you give us a better sense uh of uh the point of view, I think, within international watchers?
Well, you know, Trump has said that his deal will be the exact opposite of the Obama deal. Well, you know he's
And the Obama deal involved unfreezing Iran's assets that had been under sanctioned and then later giving them that money. Well we wouldn't have to do that.
be having this conversation audio uh if Trump hadn't pulled out of the twenty eight uh you know the deal in twenty eighteen because the twenty fifteen deal kept pr enrichment at a very low level for fifteen years until twenty thirty. So you know, the whole thing would have been moot if Trump hadn't this is a completely self inflicted wound by Trump. He pulled out of a deal that his own intelligence agencies said that the Iranians were observing.
Uh so here we are. Um and you know, he's gonna be lucky if he gets something like the Obama deal at the end of the day.
Um, will they be able to plausibly I I guess what can you call a victory in this scenario? I mean, you can say that there are nuclear materials that are now under rubble, you can say that Iran has been damaged in terms of its infrastructure. and its leadership. So there are like actual verifiable changes. What would it take for it to be called a victory by the Trump White House?
Well what you outlined might be probably the victory that you can kinda claim. Because I mean clearly I mean look, in June twenty twenty five their program by Trump's own uh uh account had been obliterated. Certainly you'd been very much set back, certainly they weren't restarting And so you could say, well, you know, if they've and the missile program they have, the the drone program they had to all of that has been damaged. So, you know, take the win and move on.
Yeah, but what we've lost in the meantime maybe is uh the Strait of Formuz in terms of it being a clear and open waterway.
Indeed.
Okay, Peter, stay with us obviously. I'll be talking to you later today. Still head on this morning. gonna continue this conversation because the president is saying any agreement with Iran would be better than Obama's deal. And there are some similarities, unfortunately, for him. Plus some of Trump's allies are worried the president is about to make a cut and run deal. We'll get more on that from the group chat coming up next.
¶ California Chemical Leak Threat
families in California forced from their homes after a chemical leak.
It's pressure is building up in this tank. Kind of like uh soda can that you leave in your car. And if you leave that soda can in your car too long. But it will explode if it gets hot enough.
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¶ Political Backlash on Iran Deal
We don't know what the terms of it are, but if Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz are crashing out last night, I'd say it's probably a pretty good deal.
Okay, we're still trying to get a full picture of what is in the proposed deal to end the war with Iran, but that's not stopping some Iranhawks in the Republican Party from weighing in. You've got Senator Ted Cruz worried about a quote disastrous mistake. Senator Lindsey Graham posted, it makes one wonder why the war started to begin with. And Senator Roger Wicker saying it could make the war, quote, for not.
Now, President Trump's former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said that the proposed deal is, quote, not remotely America first. And then White House spokesman Stephen Chung responded, quote, Mike Pompeo has no idea what the F he's talking about. He should shut his stupid mouth.
So we're bringing in the group chat. Sarah Fisher, CNN senior media analyst and senior media reporter at Axios, Joey Garrison, White House correspondent for USA Today, and Michelle Price, White House reporter for the Associated Press. So with friends like these, who needs enemies?
Yeah, a few months ago when I talked about this conversation, I would be talking about the Tucker Carlsons and the wing of the party that were just anti war in general. Joey, let's start with you since you're new to the group. Why have what's the sense why these other people Like Graham, right, who were totally on board, are suddenly saying, Oh, I don't know about this.
Well I think they're worried about uh y y you know, some of the stipulations that has leaked out so far regarding this possible deal. And one of those is that there would uh essentially the the negotiations on nuclear weapons program and uranium enrichment would essentially be kicked down the road further for sixty days. So you're talking about a essential
Rubio said time limited negotiation. Right. Which he's saying is a good thing. Yeah.
Yeah. Well y um y you know, essentially now it'd be reopening the straight uh uh but uh the the strait of formulas but uh the more difficult things are are pushed back further and then you have to ask yourself what exactly Did the Trump administration get out of this war? Right now you have to do that.
I understood it's just mostly Democrats had been asking that question, uh, but not uh other like war hawk types. And so is the White House aware or feeling like this is getting away from them a little?
I mean what's uh also interesting is you're seeing some of that praise from some of those people like Rand Paul who were of this Thomas Massey that they're saying well there there might be something t to do here, give the president space.
But what was interesting?
What are we looking at?
Not here anymore.
Yeah. The president over the weekend at first said that you know that they that there were only a couple of final details that they were kind of working on, and then yesterday he seemed to kind of Almost be responding to some of this, not only calling the critics losers, but saying, like the, you know, we're not we're we have time on our side. We have plenty of time to work this through.
Yeah.
A seeming to show that this may not be as final as he said it is, which has been the story throughout this that he's Like
Just so people don't think you're uh riffing there uh to quote his truth social post. It isn't even fully negotiated yet. So don't listen to the losers who are critical about something they know nothing about. Uh, unlike those before me who should have solved this problem many years ago, I don't make bad deals.
Um, Sarah I wanna play for you, Megan Kelly, who's been pretty much on a tear about this uh since the beginning. She was on the Hodge Twins podcast over the weekend, and she said what we've heard writ large from this wing of the party.
The people who voted for him w that was not a small thing, that was not a throwaway line. That was a massive part of his campaigning and his promising. That those people on a dime were like Yes, we're pro war with Iran. Yes, Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. W we all know that that's a lie. It's so obvious that that's a lie to get us into this conflict that they were not on the verge of developing a nuclear weapon.
That's one of the strongest statements that she's made about the Trump administration calling them out saying that they lied about whether or not Iran was on the brink of obtaining the nuclear weapons. So I'm looking at that and thinking, wow, they're taking it to a new level. My overall sense of this conflict, Audi, is that the um pro-war Trump and Republicans have sort of lost sight of the original point, which was when we rookered in a deal with
Iran in twenty fifteen, the Iran nuclear deal. The whole basis of that was that this is a country that doesn't do uh indefinite deals. They like to do deals that last within ten years, within fifteen year deals, right? They are
Time stamped for a reason because it allows him to go back and renegotiate later on. Trump coming in was essentially so that he could end that cycle. Yeah. That he could do something definitively. And now when I hear Secretary of State Rubio, when I hear Trump allies saying
Well
Well this is a time delayed negotiation. You are essentially doing the same thing that the Obama administration did and that others did before you, which is trying to put a timestamp on a resolution in this region.
Ironically they're saying, Look, we're not in a hurry and I'm kind of like, Well, Iran isn't in a hurry. I'm not sure you really have a choice in terms of how this is going. Um, how can they do this negotiation when they have the people who even were once on board? Kind of turning their back on it. Right.
I mean I think the politics of it and the Iranians are very astute. They know that the the politics are not good for the president. The midterm elections are coming. The price of gas is a thing that everybody's feeling. In addition to the price of fertilizer, food, time is not on their side. Um but the other thing to keep in mind is that that Iranian deal that that the Obama administration did, that took I think 18 months to negotiate.
And once people start lining up the bullet points of each deal, once the Trump one comes out, I think they're gonna find more similarities than not. And if they don't, there will be more questions like this. You guys stay with me. We're gonna talk more about this today.
¶ Pope Leo on AI Ethics
But coming up in California, you've got authorities scrambling because of this dangerous chemical leak. We're gonna talk about what crews are doing to contain essentially toxic fumes in the danger zone. Plus, Pope Leo, he released his first teachings on artificial intelligence. We're gonna talk about how he's trying to shape the moral debate around AI. And on this memorial day, here's a look at a reflaim ceremony in Washington DC to honor
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Hey, moments ago, Pope Leo releasing his first encyclical as Pope, and it is focused on artificial intelligence. So there is at an event in Rome, it's still underway right now. Now the pope named the letter Magnifica Humanitis, uh an magnificent human. His teachings are focused on just that preserving human dignity in the face of AI. And in his letter he writes this quote, we cannot consider AI to be morally neutral.
Every technical tool embodies choices and priorities through what it measures, ignores, and optimizes, and how it classifies people and situations. So he's presenting the guidance in person, which is a first for the church. And next to the Pope as he gets ready to address the world, anthropic co-founder Christopher Olaf. Joining us in the group chat, publisher of the Substack, Letters from Leo, Christopher Hale, Okay, this is a fascinating story because there are a lot of Silicon Valley types
who sometimes call themselves prophets, who talk about AI as creating a consciousness or an all knowing kind of God or Godhead figure. And one of the most high profile of those is Peter Thiel, who's also Catholic, right?
Yeah, so Peter Thiel actually he he is Lutheran but he's obsessed with Roman Catholicism. Um so if you recall throughout the fall last year he holds hosted these anti Christ lectures that he uh had in in San Francisco in
As one is one to do. And who was he calling the Antichrist again?
Well he said anyone who slows down the development of artificial intelligence um is a tool of the Antichrist. And he was very clear back in the fall that Pope Leo XIV could in fact be a tool of the Antichrist. And I think with uh what happened today, he's only going to double down on that.
So needless to say, Leo Leo speaking out, okay. Can you give me based on what was released today, what is his point of view on these technological tools?
I think his point of view is that they are not normal m uh they're not neutral moral actors and that they need to be developed for cre for humanity and also regulated by humanity. Um there's this fight in Silicon Valley about the accelerationists versus decelerationists.
We heard the Doomers versus the Zoomers, right?
He kinda falls I think he would call himself a skeptic. I think he would call himself it's inevitable, it's gonna move forward, but he wants humanity to play a role in how it's developed. I think that Christopher Olav was there is actually the most
underappreciated part of this story. Anthropic, as we know, in February, uh the Pentagon's contract, uh the Pentagon his contract with them was stopped and the White House put him on the blacklist. So I think it s shows that Leo's unafraid to put himself um put himself with players that cause uh consternation to this administration.
Well let's underscore that. You know a lot about what's going on with anthropic Dario their CEO is somebody who's been very outspoken about the need for regulation. I don't think it's an accident. These are days after the White House pulled back on its executive order on AI. All of a sudden it didn't release it. What does it mean that they're not just stepping forward, but even being side by side with the Pope?
They're trying to chart their own path and their own future. That's why they're getting ahead of any issues in Washington. Calling for regulation Audi is seen by a lot of people as them trying to position themselves as those that know what's best. and so that they can shape the regulation, not necessarily so that they can just get almighty sort of oversight from Washington. Appearing next to the Pope sends a similar signal. It's not that we don't necess it's not that we necessarily uh
We just don't we wanna be ruled on our terms is what it signals. And that's not just from a regulatory perspective here, but it's also um from a moral perspective around the world. That is a very unusual step, by the way.
It is. I don't think the robber barons when they were building the railroads were just like, you know, this is we are Godhead, this is what we're doing, creating something. And I feel like there's this weird thing with Silicon Valley and these tech. CEOs where they believe this technology, they do speak about it in a religious and spiritual way.
I think one of the reasons is because AI is becoming fundamental to how we power war. And so it is something that is going to be used. to potentially target human lives. That's why Pope Leo is coming out and saying this cannot be a tool that we are using to execute on war. That's one of those big red lines.
I think that Dario wants to make sure that he can move ahead with his tools being used by not just the US government and from a defense perspective, but governments around the world. That's why he needs the Pope's endorsement.
One other thing, he likens it to the Tower of Babel. Not everyone's caught up on that story, but obviously the basics, humanity tries to build a tower to the heavens. uh to be equal to God before the project collapses because God says, No, thank you. You're gonna speak different languages. That is the Cliff Notes, folks. Don't quote me. Um what do you think he's doing by bringing this story into this today?
I think he's making a very clear reference that in fact that Silicon Valley does think it's building God. I think that that's actually the original sin of Silicon Valley in Pope Leo the fourteenth's mind if you recall, the Garden of Eden.
Uh the the the original sin being that uh creation, Adam and Eve thought they were God or could replace God. And I think he's saying that we're actually facing the same battle again and again. But to Sarah's point, the longest part of this document is not economic. It's not uh it ideology, it's war. He's very concerned about the use of AI and war and I think that's why Christopher Olah is here today. I think the Pope appreciates that Anthropics stood up to the Pentagon.
Okay. As always, Chris, thank you so much for being here, Sarah. Thanks for jumping in. Uh straight ahead on CNN this morning. Global health officials are still monitoring this rise in Ebola cases. So what is the risk to Americans here in the U.S. at this point? We're gonna find out. And the latest on the armed man who had been taken down near the White House, is the Secret Service equipped to keep handling threats.
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¶ Memorial Day News Roundup
Hey, good morning everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. Thank you for joining me on this memorial day. It's half past the hour. Here's what's happening right now. The director of the World Health Organization saying that the number of suspected Ebola cases is up to more than Experts believe the epidemic risk remains low.
Low on a global level. And oil prices are dropping as the US and Iran negotiate a deal. The deal would include reopening the Strait of Hormuz, allowing oil to flow, and maybe bring gas prices down. And gas this Memorial Day weekend, just a reminder, is the most expensive in four years. The national average for a gallon up to$4.51.
And happening today, the president expected to participate in a wreath-laying ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery as part of the nation's annual Memorial Day observance. The Armed Forces full honor wreath ceremony is scheduled to begin at noon Eastern at the tomb of the unknown soldier. And in Orange County, there are fire crews that are expecting a crack in an overheating chemical tank, which is at risk of exploding.
So this crack is actually kind of good news for officials because they're hoping that it will relieve some of the pressure in the tank. And as fire crews work to cool the tank, tens of thousands of evacuated residents are now in shelters uncertain when they'll be able to go home.
I feel really stressed out because I'm not sure what the future has to tell for us. Um I don't know how long this is gonna be, how long we're gonna have to be displaced, where we're gonna be, um, if we're gonna have the money to be able to provide for our kids and our family.
¶ Toxic Tank Containment Explained
Joining me now is CNN Senior National Security Analyst Juliette Kaim. Um and you just heard the voice of someone there from Huntington Beach, California. Um can you talk about this kind of how to warn people how long they need to stay away from their homes? How do emergency officials think of this kind of thing?
Yeah, so toxic chemical leak is scary. It's a a chemical called MMA. It it's it's quite dangerous to the repres respiratory system. So basically what happened is They found uh one particular tank on this facility was was too hot. That's not good. And the and the worst news for them was the pressure was increasing inside the tank. So they were worried about an explosion. They then
evacuate appropriately 50,000 people. It's a huge evacuation. Governor Newsome of California has declared an emergency. The good news as you noted is that um you need to release the pressure in the tank to make sure it doesn't explode. while doing so that there's no leaks. And that's basically the tension they have right now. It appears overnight nothing obviously catastrophic happened. So it can't it might be that the reducing
the pressure in the tank, lower the temperature, and then figure out what the what the problem is. But people will not be able to reach it until they know that this that this is not going to be catastrophic.
I wanna play for you the uh interim fire chief of Orange County. Um here's how he described the operation to try and release the pressure in that tank.
We are doing our operation tonight to confirm that the pressure has been released. And the bleve threat is eliminated. So that is our goal tonight because that is a catastrophic worst case scenario that we've all been talking about.
So it it turns out the crack is a good thing. Is this something that can be repaired or just the fact that it can actually release some of the pressure?
Both. And so you want to release the pressure, uh as we know in critical infrastructure you simply just don't want a pressurized tank, uh and then uh and then get the heat down. That's that's the challenge right now. There's a whole system of critical infrastructure
uh mitigation because of course as you see here in Orange County, you've got, you know, massive factories next to homes, next to Disneyland, which was not evacuated. And so there's a a s um so there's a lot of knowledge about these kinds of threats.
that live amongst us. We tend to think of threats that come in from outside. Uh critical infrastructure, chemical, oil, energy, all of it uh is is often in near residential areas. So the good news is is they caught They caught this before it exploded um and are relieving that pressure.
¶ White House Security Challenges
I wanna ask you one more thing before I let you go. On Saturday, Secret Service agents of course shot and killed this man that the agency said shot at them at a security checkpoint. Um this comes obviously a couple weeks after the White House correspondence dinner shooting, but I also heard that they had dealt with him before.
And can you help me understand, are we looking at just like kind of one mad person that is a continuous threat or are we seeing increased violence against this White House?
Well, yeah.
Yeah, we're seeing the increased violence. I think what happened here is they had two previous encounters with him, mental they they viewed it as mental health. They actually commit him at one stage. Neither of them is violent. Uh then he goes away for a little bit, uh, comes back violent. So that that is that is not uncommon. Uh this was a scary incident for for everyone in the White House and it was an attack on our democratic uh institutions.
even if he wasn't close, even if if the threat was terminated in a I think in a think in a very effective way by the Secret Service. Look, uh we built the Secret Service believing that political assassinations were uh could happen, but that they were random and rare, right? That this was such a y unique this doesn't happen in a democracy. We are now looking at consistent, uh violent attacks against the president, but of course um um within our
political discourse, right? Violence is the extension of political discourse for a small percentage of people. And that the Secret Service is not built for that. And I think I think they're they are they are assessing their capacity uh and their and their focus.
Okay, that's Julia Cayenne. Thank you so much.
¶ Texas Primary: Trump's Influence
Thank you. So Cornyn has been facing off against the attorney general there, Ken Paxton. And Trump just endorsed Paxton a few days ago.
Yeah.
I think it's very different from the Cassidy and Massey situation because I've been a Trump ally, as uh you point out. I think he got frustrated with the Senate uh not able to get what he wanted when he wanted it.
All right, but here's the thing a few hours later Trump then goes online and basically says on social media that Cornyn is d very disloyal and he adds that he quote didn't fight hard enough. for what Trump wanted passed through Congress. So I'm bringing back the group chat. We started the show talking about with friends like these, and in this case John Cornyn is looking for a life raft and he is not getting it right now.
Um first can you talk about that back and forth? Like why Cornyn would try and make it sound like, No, it's not that bad and then Trump comes out and is like, No, it's that bad, I I hate you.
Of course, Corinton's gonna say it's not that bad because what we are seeing is that people who are aligned with Donald Trump are doing well in these primaries. Now, that is actually counting.
He is aligned with Trump. To his mind he is.
And he's voted within ninety nine point nine percent of the time. I mean he is technically. But reputationally, Donald Trump is trying to create distance between himself and Cornyn. And there's a few reasons for that. It could be sort of his war hawk positioning. It could be that President Trump wants to align himself with Paxton.
who's taken big swings against opponents in a way that Trump might feel is Trumpian. I think about big tech in that ironic example. Yeah. And so for Corden it makes a lot of sense that you're gonna come out and say, no, no, no, our relationship is not that bad. The challenge that he faces is that his megaphone is nowhere near as big as Donald Trump's megaphone. Even if Trump's posting that on Truth Social, that's getting picked up to his eighty bajillion b followers on X and other platforms.
The flip side is Paxton is someone who I think charitably a few years ago people would call a flawed candidate. Or would so we're talking about candidate quality in vague euphemistic terms. Um I'm gonna have someone describe him not in vague or euphemistic terms. This is Senator Tillis on Sunday.
Paxton ethically challenged is to call Jeffrey Dahmer suffering from an eating disorder. This guy is an empty suit and will do us no service by being in the U.S. Congress. When they go to the polls on Tuesday, I hope that they know. that they've got a great American who deserves re-election, and the other guy is gonna be nothing but an anchor on our conference for as long as he's in the U.S. Senate.
Okay, so just so we know Ken Paxton, he has battled state securities fraud charges, even as he's been a very aggressive uh attorney general for this state. He was impeached. uh in twenty twenty three and then accused by infidelity by his ex wife, which I usually would never mention, but it's come up uh in this campaign. Why is this so vicious? Well
Well, uh I mean look, Democrats uh preferred to go against uh Ken Paxton when it comes to uh James Tal to Tyler.
Del Rico, right now. I'll show you the polling while uh while you're talking.
That's what was so interesting about Trump coming uh endorsing here at the last minute. I mean early voting at gotten under way. He had he could have just remained quiet. But I think he felt sort of uh like he needed to come to the defense of the guy he saw as more of the MAGA candidate. And and in terms of not liking
Cornyn, I mean he never saw Cornyn a as a real MAGA guy. I mean and he never forgot in twenty twenty-four when Cornyn offered some skepticism about Trump being the Republican nominee again. He referenced that uh in his post. And so You know, uh Paxson just has an array of things that Talo Rico and the Democrats can attack over. And now you you've seen Trump and Republicans try to cast Talo Rico as weird. They're gonna say he's a a far left.
Oh Megan, if you pronounce it correctly, then you are Uh, yeah.
And there's already a super pack
Plus there was a taco thing. Right. Um every few years I have to write a story that's like, Democrats, Texas, the white whale, they're gonna get it this year. Are we actually looking at a moment? Maybe even because of this infighting, splitting the vote, that Tel Rico could be facing um a candidate that he has a chance against.
I mean if if Ken Paxton wins, his chances are obviously much greater. There's a lot of time before November. Yes. What was so stunning about this decision by the president to endorse Paxton though was We have seen though the president values loyalty, he does have some pragmatism about where he's.
Yeah.
Yeah, and like you see Susan Collins in Maine voted to impeach him. He did not run somebody against her. He has not been posting things about her like he is about John Cornyn. And Republicans working on this race. You know, the president has gotten private counsel about the the stakes here. He seems to think that Ken Paxton can pull it off.
in the face of what seems to be a lot of evidence to the contrary. And what was very stunning about that was his own campaign manager who helped him have this comeback win in 2024 is working for John Cornyn and it was there were
I'm sorry, what?
So there there was somebody that the president trusted whose political advice he has relied on, and yet the president chose to go in another direction.
I'm gonna put up those poll numbers one more time right now, if it were a matchup between Paxton and Tel Rico. Um Tel Rico is got a higher figure here, but I want to draw your attention to the bottom. No opinion, 19%. So those are the people that everybody is fighting for over these next couple of very long months.
¶ Iran Deal: Energy and Credibility
Um ahead after this primary. Next on CNN this morning, as the conflict with Iran continues, Republicans insist kitchen table issues will decide the midterms. Plus
To be here in this moment and in this
Fight a long fight.
Have you shoulder to shoulder?
Alright, what's going on with Democrats? Well, Alexandria Casio-Portez, people are looking at whether or not she might be gearing up for a presidential run.
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Obama gave them$1.7 billion in cash. Green, green cash. Took it out of banks from Virginia, DC, then Maryland, all the cash they had. He flew it by airplanes in an attempt to buy their respect and loyalty, but it didn't work.
President Trump, as recently as April, still criticizing former President Obama for the deal the U.S. made with Iran. But is Trump about to make a similar one? The deal now in the works would release Or unfreeze billions of dollars in Iranian funds for nuclear concessions, or as one US official simply put it, no dust, no dollars.
And this deal alone, easing of sanctions on Iran, allowing them to get billions of more, the same deal he criticized, he's already doing worse then. Giving Iran more money, as he has said, will allow them to do things like fuel their proxy terrorist proxies.
Here's the president posting just minutes ago. Quote: The deal with Iran will either be a great and meaningful one, or there will be no deal. It will be the exact opposite of the disaster negotiated by the failed Obama administration. Again, that truth postal truth social post just happening a few moments ago. Former acting deputy assistant secretary of the Navy for Energy. Thank you so much for being here.
The reason why we have someone who knows about energy is because coming out of this these strikes, we are now in an energy crisis, right? With the Strait of Hormuz pretty much at a stalemate. Um can you talk about what would look like victory in terms of this deal when it comes to the Strait of Hormuz.
Yeah, absolutely. Auddy, thank you so much for having me today. And um on this day of Memorial Day uh weekend, we can't uh keep The sacrifices of the fallen further from our hearts. And that's why we talk about these things. And uh what we've entered into and is is an age. of energy warfare. That's brought on by the proliferation of drones, the proliferation and accuracy of ballistic missiles that Iran has been able to shift the center of gravity from fielded forces to the Strait of Hormuz.
I mean they could target the infrastructure of regional allies. Yeah. They could do a lot with like speedboats and create a lot of headaches.
Absolutely. And that's put us in a position to play catch up when it comes to uh negotiations with Iran to this date. And here we are. Uh another week, uh another uh week in which we are overpromising and potentially over del under delivering in this particular case. So uh making sure that we get this right is gonna be important.
But at the same time, I can see especially in the Republican Party, an era of skepticism when it comes to how we're prosecuting this conflict and and uh how we're getting to an actual deal.
Yes, we mentioned some of those earlier, some of the people who are are criticizing where the deal is going. So the president's allies were out and about talking about this. over the last week and specifically trying to allay people's fears around oil. I want you to take a listen, you can respond.
I think that as soon as we get energy prices going back down, you could actually be looking at negative inflation because of the energy price going down.
There appears to be a deal in place. We'll see what happens with the Straits, but I would anticipate that those oil prices will be tumbling down and gas prices with it here in the United States.
When this settles out, gas prices come back down to earth, that means your grocery prices come down again because of transport costs and all the rest. It's gonna be a big factor that kitchen table issues are gonna decide the midterm.
Uh yeah, my reaction to that is um uh that that's kind of the definition of strategic paralysis, uh if you ask me. Uh we had entered this uh on the premise that fielded forces and uh the fifteen thousand targets that we hit would bring us to a strategic end. Uh but that's not the case. And when we talk about, you know, as a former military planner what victory means, you'd think that uh a victory on the battlefield would result in you being able to compel
uh an adversary uh to comply with your agreement or comply with your will. And that hasn't been the case. So we've got to think deeply about this and make sure uh that uh as energy prices come down, which will likely be very, very slowly Uh we're talking about months here uh that uh energy is gonna be on the minds of how we negotiate this deal.
'Cause it's their leverage.
Absolutely.
I want to ask about one more thing, him comparing it to the Obama era deal. You know, Iran has consistently demanded Unfrozen assets, right? Like they've always wanted money. I think it they've even claimed restitution in this situation over the strike. Um, is there any scenario where there's a deal that doesn't involve putting money on a plane, that doesn't involve like isn't that something they want and that they think they have leverage for?
Well I think uh the US didn't do any favors by uh not having its allies at the table with them negotiating this and we're finding those challenges occurring right now. Uh but in the end, uh I think uh Iran has a uh strategic advantage here with the Strait of Hormuz and they're
converting that into a monetary advantage as well. And so uh that puts us in a uh an arena in which we're playing catch up just about uh with every single negotiation discussion. And uh as you can see with the agreement that that uh yesterday we thought we had and now has kind of turned into a um uh a a agreement
to start the discussion for an agreement. It starts to get uh um a little bit in the arena of American credibility and and really what our troops who have uh some have made the ultimate sacrifice for. are are wondering and I just talked to a military spouse just this weekend uh who's asking that very same question. Uh they have a loved one that's deployed and and they're wondering uh exactly
um uh what strategic end we're marching towards and if it's worth it. If our blood, life and treasure is worth uh this uh conflict that we've entered into.
¶ AOC's Presidential Ambitions Explored
Okay. Ravi, thank you so much. I hope to have you back. Really appreciate it. Um we're gonna turn and talk about one more thing before we go, what's going on with Democrats and specifically Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, one of their marquee stars.
She is she quietly laying the groundwork for a run for president in twenty twenty eight. I know we're not getting ahead of ourselves, we promise. In just the past few weeks, the New York Congresswoman has been campaigning in competitive congressional primary in Philadelphia.
Uh there she endorsed her candidate and that candidate won. She also spoke at a voting rights event in Alabama. She was invited to speak at the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta on Mother's Day, the church where Senator Raphael Warnock serves as pastor. When recently asked, however, by CNN's Manuraju about her future ambitions, she had this answer.
I think about how I can be most helpful in getting every American health care that they deserve and how to increase our wages and um you know, that could mean running for something else, it could mean staying put where I am, it could mean
leaving politics entirely but I my motivation and my ambition is to make sure every American has healthcare in this country. That I look at what's happening in the country and I make m uh I make my decisions from there. But no, I don't have anything set in stone for sure. For sure.
Okay, call it my trauma from Obama, but as a young reporter over and over again, people kept asking a young senator from Illinois if he was gonna run. And he was like, shucks me? No. And then there he was. I think this one is a little more, let's say, obvious in that she has been touring side by side with Bernie Sanders. Those are huge crowds, and she is now drawing crowds on her.
She's a national name, there's no question about it. And myself and my colleague Carrie Flynn actually mapped out every single 2028 presidential hopeful. footprint in terms of online media. That's not just social media, but also Substacks and podcasts and books. She has such a massive reach advantage over any other contender.
Yeah.
And because of that, that's one of the reasons she's getting invited to these places. Because the people who are hosting these events, they want national attention to be able to raise national fundraising dollars, even for some of these local races. So that's why you're gonna bring in someone like AOC. The obvious benefit she how has is she getting on the ground local campaign experience. Even if she's not trying to do that directly, she's getting it indirectly.
Who else is getting it? Who else is you see acting in the same way?
Not in that same level. I mean she is she is somebody who can bring a lot of dollars, small dollars.
But Nuison's been at the opening of an envelope. He's got a podcast now, which we know is a sign of success.
And he's been at Davos, but is he out speaking in churches in Atlanta? Like there's a there's a distinction about
Anybody else? Kamala, gets Kamala back? Kamala. She had a book tour, tours mean you play it down.
Again, let's go back to the big social media footprint. The only person who by far no pun intended Trump's AOC is Kamala Harris.
It's the coconut tree.
Goes to the coconut tree, but just running for, you know, and big national office and being the VP gets.
It doesn't seem like AOC star is getting big bigger than her congressional seat. You know, will she run for president or will she, you know.
Yeah.
And you know, maybe that's the more logical step, but you know
No.
As when she was questioned about it, she certainly left the door open. She's and she'd be foolish to close it right now, given the uh how popular she is to the liberal base and the democratic
Okay, we're gonna talk group chats this Monday. Um how about you, Michelle? What have you been thinking about? Um
¶ Student AI Fears & Personal Chat
Um there's been this trend of college commencement speakers bringing up AI and getting booed by students.
They bring up AI in a good way or they bring up AI in a bad way?
They speak positively about AI, suggesting, you know, this is a future, this is something you should embrace and they are not getting a great reception.
Really?
Especially for some of these students. They're about to they're questioning what career options are going to be open to them as there's fears of AI.
Yeah. Okay, for you.
Well when I thought about group chat and I thought about my group chats, what's in it right now are a lot of my baby photos of my daughter, Olivia, hopefully one day a future journalist herself and I've been sharing a lot of those photos. She's three months old, she's doing great. Oh my goodness. With a Titan.
That is very yeah. I'll get her a t shirt that says I should be a lawyer, just so you do not curse her to journal.
It's in our blood.
Okay, well you guys thank you so much for kicking off Monday and being here on a holiday such as this one. The headlines are next. I'm Audie Cornish, so stay with us.
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¶ AI's Growing Energy Demand
I'm CNN Tech Reporter Claire Duffy. This week on the podcast Terms of Service, what do we know about how much AI is contributing to energy consumption, energy demand right now, and how does that compare with other industries?
The best resource for that is the International Energy Agency, which is sort of the global energy think tank that collects data on all of this. And what they predict is that. About eight percent of the additional electricity that we're gonna need by twenty thirty, that will be for data centers. The other ninety two percent is for other things, industry electrification, electric vehicles. And AI is really only driving part of that increase in demand.
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