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Okay, here we are, maybe in day 60 of the war with Iran. That means Congress is supposed to sign off on it unless there's some kind of loophole. But we are in a ceasefire right now, which our understanding means uh the 60 day clock pauses. Okay, do deadlines even matter if the White House does not recognize them? The election has already started. Thousands have already cast ballots, but Louisiana is now delaying its primary to redraw voting maps. Is that legal?

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And if people ask me, how the hell do you negotiate like that? You're destroying them. We're talking deadlines and loopholes because today marks a milestone. Milestone, 60 days since the war began, we think. Good morning everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. I want to start with that legal deadline. Because a Vietnam era law says Congress must sign off on a conflict after 60 days. If the president doesn't get that approval,

He must wind down military options. But the April seventh ceasefire may be the loophole that the White House is looking for. We are in a ceasefire right now, which our understanding means uh the sixty day clock pauses or stops in a ceasefire. So they're not in. That's it's our understanding. Hm okay, so some Republicans actually aren't buying that.

I do not accept that we should engage in open-ended military action without clear direction or accountability. Congress has a role. Congress has to step up and fulfill that role, that obligation. That the constitution assigns to us. The sixty days is a trigger. After sixty days, in my view, uh the president Or Congress can block it. Those are the two

It just can't go on forever. If they don't want to have a discussion about AUMF, then we need to have a discussion about an extension under the War Powers Resolution. That's going to require detailed study.

Okay, let's figure this out together today in the group chat. Mike Leone, host of the Can We Please Talk Podcast. Tony Kennet, national correspondent with the Daily Signal and host of the Tony Kenneth cast, and Lulu Garcia Navarro, CNN contributor and host of the New York Times, The Interview. So let me set the table with the war powers resolution of nineteen seventy three. Says the president in every possible instance. In every possible instance.

shall consult with Congress before introducing US armed forces into hostilities or into situations where imminent involvement in the hostilities clearly indicated by their circumstances. So it doesn't just have a vague word like start. Or strikes. before introducing and I think most of us feel like we've been thoroughly introduced.

We have been thoroughly introduced. H here's my issue with this and I always take uh the the point of somebody that's watching this that hates American politics, that doesn't understand any of this stuff and these war powers acts from decades and eons ago. And the issue I have with this is is that Tony, you and I have talked about this in other segments, is been that Congress right now, the legislative branch is not doing their duty. This is part of their duty. We are we have

And they've are ever since the Bush era they've felt like, Oh, maybe we let this war powers authorization thing kinda drag on a little too long. Right. I think the weird thing about this is time is of the essence. Like It's in the US incentive to delay because Iran is willing to hold out as long as possible. Do you think that's why Hegzeth is up there sort of being like, Well actually it's if you count by the ceasefire and subtracting these days.

Why this is there? This is there because we are a democracy, and in a democracy. you have Congress which is representing the people and they are there to hold the executive to account. Obviously Donald Trump doesn't like that. He's there complaining saying, how can I execute this war if, you know, Congress is, you know, trying to tie my hands, but at the end of the day this is important. It's important because

This administration never made the case to the American people why they needed to prosecute this war. They certainly haven't made the case to the Congress why they need to prosecute this war. Right. And now we're sixty days. Time has no meaning. What is that? Time has no meaning. I mean what is time is a thing I'm usually saying every week.

Uh here's Mike Johnson and Rick Scott who actually agree with Pete Hegseth, uh kind of going against what you're saying about whether or not the president needs approval. I wanna play this'cause this is an ongoing conversation. Who has the power to do what, despite what may be in the constitution. Here they are.

I think the president uh has the power to use our military to defend Americans, um, and I don't think he has to come to Congress for it anyway. But as Secretary Hedsef said, you know, we're in a ceasefire right now.

I don't think we have any active kinetic uh military bombing firing anything like that. Right now we're trying to broker a peace and it would be I would be very reluctant to get in front of the administration in the midst of these very sensitive negotiations. So we'll have to see how that plays out. Catching him walking is a bit of a metaphor'cause they've gone home. Uh so th they're not around to have this conversation further.

So one of the key things you see Speaker Johnson focusing on there is the active kinetic strike situation of the Operation Epic Fury situation. And to translate, anytime someone says Connecticut, they're kind of saying when a bomb falls.

Targeted strikes on the offensive. So the Supreme Court gave the rationale for the Trump administration in this particular instance to maintain the current state of the conflict, which is the blockade, saying, Look, President Trump, you can't just levy tariffs all over, but you can levy this economic embargo, which according to the language from the Trump administration, seems to mirror that kind of action regarding the

Kind of Uno card reverse Hormuz Strait blockade by the U.S. Navy, preventing certain powers from trading up the Persian Gulf with Iran. Tony's right because if you think about it, the entire time, the language and the way they've messaged about this.

First it was military operations and then Trump was like, no, actually I committed a war. And then it just kept changing. So he's right. They're very um with respect to the language that they're using around this, they're very careful in it. And if you saw in that exchange,

that happened yesterday with Hegsef and Senator Tim Kane about the clock stopping on in with respect to the ceasefire. It's almost like playing a game of tag and then you you know y this is base right here. No, no no no hold on that's not base and then we have to argue about base. They the the ceasefire doesn't necessarily do that, but the language that Heggs have said to him with respect to no the clock has stopped is subject to interpretation. That's what the White House is ordained.

I mean, this is not credible. card company have the strength of will of Iran? I mean they're waiting, right? I think one of the arguments from the administration is like, look this blockade, this counter blockade, is having some success and giving it time to do its work. Go to Congress and get go to Congress and make your case.

Supreme Court says that the president doesn't need to go to Congress in order to enact an embargo on another country. If they were carrying out kinetic strikes via MQ9 Reaper drones at this moment, I'd absolutely agree with you, and I think that's a what a lot of her We're talking about the time, you're saying the blockade is a loophole. I'm not saying they have time to continue doing the strike.

They ended Epic Fury though? Have they have they actually said this part of this operation is over? In fact, quite the opposite. The President has sat there and kept his options open.

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Um after the break on CNN this morning, we've got some more song titles for you. No, seriously, uh the life of a showgirl, Taylor Swift taking on AI. We want to talk about whether or not she has more power than many of our political leaders. Plus, another Another one bites the dust why the latest candidate for Surgeon General is Al. You wanted to put into position a woman who believes in magic crystals and tree power and moonbeams as magical powers.

The entertainment industry love bombs women, right? We love you. We don't know who you are. Why are you even here? All right, we're gonna talk about Taylor Swift's bad blood with AI. You just saw her image there, right? Speaking direct to camera. Well the superstar has now applied a trademark to her voice and likeness. to leave no blank space for AI deepfakes and preserve her reputation.

You're welcome. The now iconic image of Swift is a sequined outfit with a pink guitar, which many of you saw during the Eras tour, and that was also used in her application. And frankly, AI deepfakes are something she knows all too well. Before the twenty twenty four presidential election, President Trump actually posted these AI images of Swift. And Swift is now also applying to trademark her spoken voice, submitting records of her saying two phrases. Let's let you hear one of them.

Yeah. Hey, it's Taylor Swift and you can listen to my new album, The Life of a Showgirl, on demand on Amazon Music Unlimited. Alright, so I am bringing in social commentator and music writer CJ Farley. He's the author of a book called Who Knows You By Heart. And I want to talk to you about the fact that Taylor has already been the victim of deep fakes, pornographic images.

Uh all kinds of AI slop. People on TikTok use her image to sell things. Can you talk about how why you think she stepped in at this time?

Well here's the thing about Taylor Swift. I mean, she's someone who actually doesn't play the victim and she's been on offense her entire career and this is just one more example of it. I remember years ago and this is just when she was twenty years old, I went down to Nashville to interview her and she just moved out of her parents' condo into her own place for the first time. And even then twenty years old. I mean she was just a few months out of being a teenager

She was talking about taking control of her image and her songwriting and doing her own songwriting and not relying on the Nashville machine. And so this is something she's done from the beginning, taking control of her career, um and she's fought against um Spotify to get more money from musicians. Um she's pioneered a new business model for releasing concert films. It was quite lucrative for her. So um she's fought for her her own ma master to get control of that.

Everyone everyone who's a fan of hers knows about that, about Taylor's version and her con trying to control her own music. So this is really basically the ultimate Taylor's version move where now she wants to create a Taylor's version of herself to make sure she has control of her own image. And so this is par for the course for Taylor Swift.

Uh I also want to reflect on her track record, meaning you mentioned her boycott against Spotify. That was twenty fourteen, twenty seventeen, three years uh of pulling her catalog. Um that would have had them not paying artists for the first couple of months of their trials on Apple Music. It feels like she does actually have the sway, but can she go up against the AI companies?

Yeah, we will see. I think this battle matters because I think this is something that all of us are starting to go through. And we've all had like Parents or grandparents or relatives who have been fooled by deep fakes and said, Hey, do you see this? And they forward something to us. We've got to call them and say, Hey, that's not real. Now not all of us have the kind of money and power and legal team that Taylor Swift has.

to um to sick them on a problem. And so um we have to hope that that she um does accomplish something for the rest of us. and we can see whether there's some trickle down through the uh through the economy that can help other people who are going through similar kinds of things.

Um, you talked about going down to Nashville and and meeting her and seeing her at that part of her career. She's in a really new phase now, right? A kind of billionaire phase, post eros tour. She's probably gonna have a her wedding, another album. Um, what do you see uh in terms of where she's going next? Yeah, well I I think we're gonna I I and this is what's interesting about her is that um

Part of this move is about taking control of um what her image is. But her image is always changing. Um she's someone who doesn't stay in the same place um forever in her career. And so that presents new challenges because if you have an image that's always changing, if you have a brand that's always changing, are there parts of that brand that you can then sort of register and say, Hey, this is what I do?

when someone like Taylor Swift is someone who's all about eras and changing from era to era. So that's what I think is gonna be sort of challenging here. But I think the hope for the rest of us, and I'm very positive about where technology can go. I think it's it shows the rest of us that these things aren't inevitable. I think there's a sense f from people that we're going down a certain path of AI, there's nothing we can do about it, that it's kind of inevitable like Thanos.

in for the Marvel movies. And this shows things aren't inevitable. That you can challenge things that consumers artists may be able to have some sort of say with novel strategies, novel business strategies, novel legal strategies. May they may have some sort of say about where this technology is going first. But we don't just have to sit back and let it happen to us.

Okay, that's author CJ Farley talking to us about Taylor Swift and her effort. to trademark her voice and likeness. Thank you so much, CJ. Um I need a little more help legally though, because I've heard of a trademark but not a soundmark. So here's Ellie Williams. We're gonna lawyer up. Our CNN legal analyst, former federal prosecutor. All right, so I know that Matthew McConaughey has also tried to file a certain kind of application about this. All right, all right, all right.

Settle down, all right. I don't want to get you a little bit. For that express. It is for but that's for a specific expression. Yes. And then uh an old friend of mine, full bias, full disclosure, David Green, a former NPR host, was going up against Google because their LLM generates a podcast.

And I just wanna play for you. He was sort of explaining what it is about his voice he was trying to protect. It's not that clear, you know what I mean, what it means for the court. So here's for the audience.

The only tool that I felt like I brought into the room was was myself, you know, expressing empathy, curiosity, respect with my voice. Um and just the the idea that that can somehow be stolen um is something that I couldn't live with if I didn't at least see where the courts could take this. Where can the courts take this? It's it's not clear because the law uh is is just untested. It ha it doesn't even exist yet, as Taylor Swift would say, it's a blank space.

Well done. Everybody here, we're out of control. I want you to make me. Okay, well. Okay, no, no, no. But but truly, uh, this is information and material and law that does not exist yet. And there's a few different reasons and problems with what David Greene was saying there. Number one, um, what is a voice? It's not a product. And also the things that are being created in AI. Yes.

Let me jump in just and let you finish. Google uh in response to his claim said that these allegations are baseless. And they explained it by saying the sound of the male voice in Notebook LM's audio overviews is based on a paid professional actor that Google hired. It's sort of like they can always say the source of the voice. is not the person. Does that work with a Taylor Swift where everyone knows her voice?

And and typically when you talk about trademark and copyright, you're talking about things that are copies of the original thing. What happens When the AI produces an entirely new thing that yes, it sounds like Audi Cornish, or yes, it sounds like Taylor Swift or David Green or whomever else. However, it is a newly produced product, right? And it just the law is very inconsistent. Oh god.

For voice actors as well here. For example, James Arnold Taylor is known for doing impressions of everyone from uh political figures to Obi-Wan Kenobi. So if you have him, are we going to trademark Ewan McGregor's voice for James Arnold Taylor? It's not clear. Can I add one more thing though, you were bringing to the table um for our lawyer up the question of US defamation laws. Like if I ask AI a question about me or you and it says something that's not true, is that defamation?

It's made public. Now the interesting thing and w where I came to that was with the king here. I was thinking what's going on in England right now? And they are exploring questions of what happens when AI produces something defamatory. It's important the distinction between the United States and the UK in that here we protect speakers. There they protect the person who's injured, right? Well, what happens when AI says something that's wrong, as it often does.

somehow it gets out there. Number one, who is the individual that created that thing? Who is liable for that thing? Um, and it you know, who do you sue? And it's just, and at a certain point, both here and across the pond, we are going to have to confront these questions of who the actor. actual defendant is and what they actually did.

Alright, you guys, I wanna leave that there for a second, even though I literally could talk about this for the whole rest of the half hour. But we need to get back to the gerrymandering war, because it's not over. If you think voting maps look crazy now, just wait. Is it time to get rid of redistricting? Us you got workers demanding higher pay, better working conditions, the May Day protest around the world. Good morning Austin. A view of your skyline as you're waking up. Real?

It is more outrageous. It's my favorite color. Over the top house. And me. Who call these One of a guy? home. How does one obtain Caboose. Zillow Gone Wild all new season. Good morning everybody. I'm Audie Cornish. I want to thank you for joining me on CNN this morning. It's half past the hour, and here's what's happening right now.

The longest government shutdown is over after President Trump signed the bill to fund parts of the Department of Homeland Security. It was the House that unanimously uh unanimously approved the Senate back bill to fund agencies such as TSA, although not Ice and this last shutdown lasted for 76 days. Prosecutors have released new footage of the moment a gunman attempted to breach security and enter the White House correspondence dinner.

He runs through the metal detector. Officers draw their weapons. And prosecutors are claiming that the video shows the suspect and the Secret Service officer exchanging fire. By the way, it is May 1st, which means it is May Day, which is a national day of action. Activists worldwide are going to be marching in rallies calling for peace, higher wages, and better working conditions. Here in the U.S., thousands of protests are actually playing.

Nationwide. Organizers are calling for an economic blackout, saying no school, no work, no shopping. And ready set redraw. We are entering a new era of maximum gerrymandering. After the Supreme Court's decision to toss out Louisiana's congressional map. Louisiana's governor is now delaying house primaries which had been scheduled for may sixteenth to give lawmakers time to redraw the maps, even though absentee voting had already started and early voting was supposed to start tomorrow. Over four

thousand people in in one parish alone has voted. You know, so the election has already started. The Supreme Court did not say that Louisiana should move forward with its election. It simply said that the Sixth District of Louisiana was a racial German. The decision to delay the primary already facing a legal challenge from two voters, one of whom happens to be a Democrat running for Louisiana's fifth congressional district.

The Supreme Court ruling effectively upends the Voting Rights Act, the only legal limitation on partisan gerrymandering and the redistricting frenzy. Well, that's just getting started. Look, the Supreme Court said that in Louisiana's case it was blatantly unconstitutional. And I think that principle applies probably in other states as well. We want constitutional maps.

controversial notion and I think all states who have uncontr un unconstitutional maps should look at that very carefully and I think they should do it before the midterm. Group chat is back. Elliot, I don't know if we're at the end of a legal question or the kickoff of another decade of legal questions. Can we at least start with Louisiana? What about this case? We're certainly seeing a year of legal questions right now and a

and a whole lot of them and certainly a decade of legal questions. And there's a few big reasons why. Number one, anybody who's already cast a vote has at least a claim to saying that my vote was invalidated in some way. Think about it. If I'm voting, let's use you again. If I'm voting for Audi Cornish, Congresswoman in this district and all the districts get scrambled and I've already cast a vote for you. Have I been disenfranchised?

Have I been disenfranchised, right? And and that's not to say that I'm entitled to vote for you, but I cast a vote in the sixth. sixth district of Washington, DC or whatever else it might be, now that I guess it will be in another district at some point, what what do we do with my vote? So someone can at least do on that basis. Um frankly any

municipal entity that's already made preparations for an election. We are looking forward to our primary that will happen on say uh you know October 10th or something like that. Um they could probably raise a claim too. And so it's just it's sort of a wild west now with

So while West and no one wants to kind of back down, I wanna play for you Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, um, lawmaker of New York. She was um asked Wednesday about what she thinks um kind of the future is gonna look like when it comes to redistricting. We have to all abide by the same rules and so if Republicans are going to redraw North Carolina, if they're gonna redraw Texas, if they're gonna redraw and gerrymander uh every one of their states, then unfortunately we have to provide balance to that.

Until we get to the day where we can all finally agree to put this behind us and pass nonpartisan gerrymandering uh federally. Amen. We close to that day? No. No. Absolutely not. I will I will say there is a small counter to this that should be noted that if there is a district in which someone else may have voted for that representative in the new district maps that would be drawn, it would be fair for them to actually be able to get a chance to hear

From the individuals, Democratic and Republican, of course we're talking about Graham Plattin are up in Maine, that's a Senate situation, but still if you're introducing yourself to the candidate running for office, shouldn't they get a time to say how this is how I'm gonna talk to my constituents? That kind of a delay here because of the Supreme Court rules.

This all kicked off when the president made his push, right? To if we're in Texas and then all the moves and counter moves, it's it's almost been a wash a little bit, but does this change the calculus of it being a wash? Well Well not really if we go by the overall map and the seats that will be impacted. But if you just look in Florida in the state that I live in right now.

Well look what DeSantis just did this past week with respect to the b after the Supreme Court ruling, I believe it got moved up the date for them to push this through the state legislature. So to ALC's overall point, we're way past putting the genie back in the bottle. Every state is now starting to do it and look at where they can squeeze out a few more seats. I don't think this ever goes back to where

Big picture, of course, is what does this mean for our democracy, right? What does this mean for um having competitive seats? which means that those legislators have to actually speak to not just their partisan base, but the broader population. Um that really

Basically means that we are even more in a dire situation in this country where you're gonna have representatives that are just representing their very narrow base. They know very well what those people stand for and they don't have to compromise. So if you think that Congress is gridlocked today. Just wait, my friends.

All right, let me follow up on this because you also mentioned Maine. Yes, sir. This is a good example of what people are talking about because you have Senate Democrats there rallying around a new choice for senator. Governor Janet Mills has ended her campaign, and Governor Mills had been recruited into the race by Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer just last year. However, the 78-year-old quickly found herself trailing against a more progressive candidate, Graham Plantner.

Now Plantner's known as a main oyster farmer, military veteran, and then it surfaced during the primary that he had a controversial history of social media posts. Still he outrun out fundraised the governor by millions of dollars, had a double digit lead in polling. Here's what he told sup supporters after the announcement that Mills was out. We both got into this race because we knew how critical it is to defeat Susan Collins.

And her decision today reflects a commitment to that project. I look forward to working closely with her between now and November to do just that. So um this follows the other conversation because the movement of the progressive movement within the party is ri this battle is playing out. everywhere. There are other candidates that Chuck Schumer has backed that aren't exactly, you know, in the lead because there's a more progressive candidate available.

Um I wanna ask you, uh what do you think of why Plantner has survived the scandals that have come up? Great question. Here's what I will say. I think he's really made this hyper local in terms of him being from Maine, an oyster farmer, understanding the struggles of people from Maine. If you heard the interview he did this past week with Jon Stewart.

He really talked about that in the first twenty minutes and it it I had a conversation with Congressman Pat Ryan about this after the twenty four election because he's flipped the district that he was in. Trump uh led with respect to voting, but it was a plus twelve for him. And he said, I made it super again, Congress, House of Representatives a little bit different than Senate, but he made it very local and focused on an issue that everybody knew about because he was from that town.

Democrats need to start getting behind some of these can this is the overarching question. Will Democrats actually learn from some of this stuff? They pushed away the way Mam Dani walked all the way down from Washington Heights down to Manhattan as a Bronx kid, that was awesome to see. But they they Because it didn't emanate from them, they didn't like it.

Well let's follow up on that. So Plantner's campaign platform End Billionaire Welfare, right? It's a part of this anti billionaire uh backed uh anti billionaire movement which Bernie Sanders and others are are supporting stopping mass deportations, creating an economic Bill of Rights, and supporting unions.

Um CNN's own K-File reporter last October uncovered a lot of his social media posts um where he once called himself a communist, he dismissed all police as bastards, said that rural white Americans actually are racist and stupid. Um there were some Reddit posts with some sort of misogynist commentary. The reason why I'm bringing this up is because when you listen to the John Stewart interview, one of the things Plantner does is tell a sort of

story of redemption. I was this guy. I was this guy on social media. I'm the kind of guy you actually want to flip and bring into the party. Here's what he said to Jon Stewart. to see myself being framed by people who've never met me, who know absolutely nothing about my background, really, uh, who like just latched on to this like, oh, this guy said dumb things of the internet fifteen years ago.

And and I'm like, yeah, man, I did. Cause I was like a angry young dude who got back from my fourth combat tour and like was isolated and lonely and spent time bitching on the internet. Oh I mean sure, I'll take that. Um I think that's a compelling argument. Listen, I think we're in a in a moment where there's a lot of insurgent energy, especially on the left. Surgent or anti incumbent?

So I think actually insurgent. Um I think it's not just anti incumbent, I think people want real change. There it has been um a consist if you think about Trump's election. That was the beginning of the insurgency. All right. And I think this is now coming for the left and I don't think it's progressive and I don't th you know I don't think it has a name that is very easily identifiable. It is literally just This isn't working for us. Throw the bums out. We want someone from the outside.

I think the main race the that race uh is a perfect test case for that under the old world. Um let's say two thousand six the Senate race there. uh uh Janet Mills would have been the perfect candidate. That is exactly who Democrats would have target targeted, the sort of mainstream person and sh you know, she might have won in a year like that.

Around the country you're seeing that kind of populist uprising on the right and left. And I think this is an interesting powerful that is will be an issue. Lulu, like you, I've been wondering since the twenty twenty two no twenty twenty four Senate cycle when there were a bunch of Republican candidates with some really unsavory backgrounds in the Senate, and there was a big conversation about what was called

candidate quality. So you saw Herschel Walker, Sean Parnell, Josh Mandel. These are people that they they failed, right, when he got to the primary. And this is the argument I mean when you got to the general. And I think this is the argument from a lot of Schumer style Democrats. They say, look over there. Just because someone appeals, just because someone has this shaggy background that you can explain away, it doesn't mean they're gonna survive the general election.

In the era of Trump, is that true? Or is the is is the pre Trump concept of candidate quality dead and gone? I think it's a candidate quality of who appeals towards the actual policy proposals of the base. So the youth on the left is expressly more socialist. That's not my label, that's their label. Anti-billionaire, all that kind of stuff.

So again, May Day, look at the protests that are scheduled for today. Of course, Platiner's endorsement of those kind of events already coming into play here. He proposes these kind of policies that they look for as anti incumbent but also insurgent socially as being more outspoken and flamboyant in those critiques like you've seen from a lot of

populist right wing candidates. You wouldn't compare Senator Josh Hawley on more of the populist side to the more establishment Republican Mitch McConnell. Very different comm styles, very different campaign styles.

I think it's a little interesting that Grace is selectively given. Obviously over on the right side of the aisle I would be more readily uh happy to criticize his past in certain areas because that's what we do. And on the left I notice a lot of, oh, it was fifteen years ago, come on. But

Can I just say in the era of Nick Fuentes, can we not? Like maybe there But I'm just saying there's very clearly a a modern widening of the window of the political discourse that neither party has adequately That I don't understand. Sure, but you're talking about sexual assault here. And I just think Democrats would be screaming bloody. Talking about sexual assault. Right. I understand correct. But Democrats would be screaming bloody murder if a Republican candidate Yeah, under their old roof.

Fifteen years ago I was a younger guy. Well since woke is over, I'm not sure. Schumer's by the way, Schumer's fate hangs in the balance here because everyone's looking at this and saying this was uh exactly what went wrong. He didn't embrace the right person. He was trying to pla uh play this old playbook when I interviewed him. He basically said this is why he's leader because he knows how to pick pedigreed candidates that will win. And by the way he did in 2024.

And how this plays out will be very, very telling. You mentioned Mitch McConnell, uh you know, sort of nationally unpopular, popular with the twenty six people in his caucus that needed to keep electing him leader. Schumer, terrible appeal on the national, but popular in his cock. His national polls might be down, but he's popular with the folks who vote for it.

Will Dems, if he does win in the general, will Dems learn from that? That's the biggest thing. Dems have not learned from certain campaigns because if it didn't emanate from the DNC thought process, they have not channeled it with other campaigns. Can I just also say Platiner is untested? Yeah. Yes. You've only seen these things come out from the media. I don't know what the Republicans have in store for him, but I imagine it's going to be critique.

Once you escape the v the vol you get velocity out of the press that loves you, what it turns into. Yeah.

Exactly. All right, next on CNN we want to talk about the Maha movement. Whether or not it is struggling. The in influencer turned surgeon general nominee is out. And later on CNN Modern Warfare. how the military is using AI in the war with Iran. Thank you. Okay, so President Trump is now picking Dr. Nicole Sapphire to become Surgeon General, a radiologist and longtime Fox News contributor. And it was clear that the Maha influencer Casey Means wasn't gonna get enough votes.

For confirmation. Several Republicans had opposed her nomination. Trump singled out Senator Bill Cassidy for blocking uh the nomination of means. He accused the Louisiana Republican of being disloyal. You might don't just work the So uh there's a lot of people in the Maha coalition who are saying that they feel betrayed this week. Many protested outside the Supreme Court as the Trump administration supported Bayer in a case over whether Americans can sue.

For alleged harms from chemical exposure. People in Maha are betrayed are feeling very betrayed right now by the administration. I am diehard conservative and I got this group of maha moms and I'm trying to keep us together, held together and not break the chain. Uh so yeah this is this is do or die, this is sink or swim. This is the Titanic is going down. Uh you know, are you gonna give us a lifeboat? Because if you don't

It's all gone. It's all gone. Hundreds of thousands of free votes that fell out of thin air in 2024 have vanished. Okay, group chat is back. I love this energy because when you court single issue voters, people who are very compelled about a certain thing. You're not always gonna be in line with them, but RFK Junior did bring them into the fold. So what now when they're not giving those folks what they want?

Yeah. It's a fragile coalition. Look, uh you know the the very term Maha has existed since twenty twenty four. That's not to diminish how important the issues uh they're talking about and and are to them. But this is a relatively new phenomenon in American politics. Is a thin, fragile coalition that either the right or left could easily pick up in a future election. Yes. This idea that this This enduring block of Maha voters uh is is lost in wayward. I think I think misses the point.

Campaigning is easy. I mean ultimately I uh you know, the Maha group is acting like any advocacy group, which is they are protesting, they are you know, they are threatening to withhold their vote. It remains to be seen if they can be Woo to the other side, which I'm not very clear about. Yeah, but'cause it's not like abortion, right? It's not that kind of movement. Sure. It's like

Uh are you backing the pesticides company? Are you getting red dye number nine? Right? Like it's something where the business interests of the Republican Party uh can really assert themselves against these, I'm gonna just say it, women. And speaking of which, here's Eric Erickson, a conservative commentator with His take on uh these Trump nominees.

There were plenty of other Republican senators who did not want a witchcraft practitioner to be Surgeon General of the United States, lest you forget this is a woman who wrote. to her uh email subscribers that she uh did full moon ceremonies. She talked openly to the trees. You wanted to put into position a woman who believes in magic crystals and tree power and moonbeams as magical powers. You're discrediting to yourselves and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for what you did.

Go out and do your horse bathing. I I wanna see his post about the guy who said he teleported to a Waffle House. Like there's a there's a lot of magical thinking going on among these cabinet members. Why do you think this would evoke that kind of outrage from someone not in the Maha movement? So you see a lot of this in the nomination stage where we kind of dig through everyone's social media histories and we start looking through earlier opinions. However

But these histories aren't surprises. I mean that's the Movement. That is true. Although there is also a a closer reflection toward family care in medicine from a lot of these nominees. This is the first radiologist, the first cancer focused, family focused doctor since C. Everett Coop. That's the Reagan administration, eighty two to eighty nine.

So there is a different opportunity here that we could see where same with Blanche. People were nervous stepping in now. He's very popular among the right that was critical of him. Okay. I wanna talk group chats. Uh Tony for you since you're new to the group, uh what's your group chat? Well I'm from Indiana and so We Hoosiers it's now May and so the entire state's turned up on its head because the Indy five hundred is gonna stop everything so it's been nice knowing all of you.

You guys have things that... Can't be re Mike Leon of Can We Please Talk. Are you just pulling that out of your pocket? Wait, I I may or may not have printed that. Can I give the last word to you? Yeah, um it's not as serious as either of these things. A man uh fired from a Chick-fil-A did not like that that had happened, snuck in and charged fraudulently eighty thousand dollars of returns. I didn't even... Like the machine does return. Yeah. We need to

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