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my boy be here. How you feeling cooler? National, Let's get a crack all right, man, I got a special guest him. I let you know what I'm saying. I'm gonna go ahead, Latigue, introduce you. You You know what I'm saying. They got a little relationship. They go back a little bit classic. This is my rookie man, my days Indiana, I mean, carved out a beautiful career in the NBA. Man, Iowa State legend. M the coolest dudes I know in the NBA. Man, I'm glad to have him on the show.

George Niang, appreciate you'all for having me on. Man, it's a blessing. I appreciate you Slide, It's a blessing. He got the pr statements. If we gonna get out of the real quick, don't you work. But if we're gett into the episode, y'all see this on you table, it's real beer. You know what I'm saying. You got some product you want to promote, get out there. We got this one erful laptop. You know what I'm saying. Be him. We tried to get him too, the sketches deal last week.

He wasn't fucking with us. You got that ship on the day. He's just regular night for you nigs about the door hashtag. It's okay he flecks on the serad. We appreciate it. Nonetheless, I know what I'm saying, Sketchers, Look tea, you might go four million dollars now you ain't doing four meal. Yeah anything, George, you know what I'm saying. Wills around upon that a little bit later. You know I'm saying, you still in the league, my boy. Hey, let's get the show, get to start talking. I like

for hearing this vibe. Don't they got the simple water. We had a good episode that. You know what I'm saying, You're in the league still, you know, obviously know what I'm saying, you playing shoes deals that night. How much Sketchers gotta give you to get the deals to the vibe? Like, what's what's the jumping at You're hopping into the sketches for a meal? Take? Absolutely, yeah, but that's damn that's easy to be here. He was being difficult, you know,

he trying to give up his his footwear. No, I don't even care about a million dollars. We can talk. I just want to be able to world. I don't want to wear to the club and when I'm hanging out, bro, I just don't want to on a five twenty podcast. Give me the sketcher whatever shape up the KIMK was having. Yeah, I'm gonna leave him on life like I got the dunks. We can rock out, but you gotta wear him the club. Yeah, when I'm going out and hanging out with my friends,

but I'm not wearing it, bro. So so we're gonna see what's some comments come. Were gonna see how them effects change. Before the episode, I always got to start the episode with a Friday Ask question. Obviously, you know what I'm saying. You had a nice journey in the NBA. He's still going on right now. But I gotta ask you what's been so far without giving too much details. You don't want to snitching nobody. What would you say your most problematic locker room was so far and you're

playing days. You can go from high school to college to NBA. Look they laugh already. Oh my god, welcome to five twenty. Yeah, yeah, welcome my most problematic locker room, Dan, I would have to say with with with yes, yeah, man, we little go a little We had a funny, a funny group of guys in that locker room. You know, I think it was it was PEG's last year, right, yeah, yeah, So it was like, you know, mixed between you know, I think there was riff raff for him, you know,

not wanting to be there. This's that in the third or I don't know what what he was thinking. I was a rookie. I really didn't know anything. But we'd go on like seven game win streaks and eight game loosen streaks. I was confused, man, So uh as my first year in the league, you know, we were we were a troublesome group. That was a hell of a year for everybody. It will get into that a little bit later. He don't like the paces at all. He has no respect. I am unfortunately doing pictures fan till

I die. But terres Haliburt and the Savior the guy shout out to him out the gate, shout out to the young being Mather too. We were on the way like analogy will wish us to the pictures organization. That's like you got for it. It's a pr S today. That's school. I can get out of pocket. We can get it there. So first started off before we can get to that. You know what I'm saying. Obviously we know how you would. You know, I'm saying, it's your

background of basketball. Talk about your high school. That's man. You had a pretty goddamn good and you team. You know what I'm saying, How did that come about? We all went to high school together as me Netherlands Nowell, Wayne Selden, Jake Layman Man. When you say high school together, like y'all went to high school together, y'all like it was like a phone called and we're going to high school together. No, it was. It was a boarding school,

so you know we were allowed to do that. You know a lot of people said they played high school together and they lived on the street. That definitely was not the case. But you know, for for high school au we we had a pretty solid team. So when you was playing in the summer, obviously I had a whip. And was it a little bit easier for you to play high school basketball playing with the town the team like that? Like you said, you had a Denver prep

school y'all playing a crazy schedule as well. How did that prepare you to like get into like cogge decisions because a lot of times, like Jeffer probably speaking on this, I mean he went crazy at you too, but he played in the high school where he lived down the street front, how do you think it would have been different for you probably going up if you went to a prep school situation, you think he would have got exposure differently? Or now, I wouldn't have made no prep school.

I couldn't do that, you can na. I'm a I'm a west side baby. I can't do that outside baby, Yeah, I'm outside, yall know me? I was outside. I went to every party, I went to everything, boarding school that ain't met no uniforms, no way you can. I wore white T shirts and rocket worse every day. Yeah, like, come on, you had to be real disciplined for that though.

I mean, I'm sure it made you a better college student. Yeah, I mean I guess when you don't know, I wouldn't say you don't know no different like you just you know. So for the most part, I mean I was an hour away from home, and uh, I mean up there, there was no I was like up in the middle of nowhere. There was no thought of like, I couldn't go act up. There was nothing to act up and do.

It was gonna do run out in the wilderness. But uh, because you're from the Northeast area, yeah, I mean it's not for everybody, but I'll tell you this, it does keep a lot of you know, you know how how to find a way to avoid trouble. There's some people that just walk outside and trouble finds them. So for kids like that, I think it's a it's a good idea because it'll probably save a lot of kids from who get in trouble in high school and can't pursue

their dreams. Would you had a twenty eleven or twenty ten class, No, I was twenty twelve. I was originally twenty eleven, So in the in the Northeast. It's popular to like reclassify. I feel like I thought we were like the first ones. Yeah, so I was, so I was young for my grade, so twenty I was originally class to twenty eleven and I did two sophomore years. So it hurt me in the long run when I'm entering the draft and they're like, oh, he about to be twenty three, and I was like, did y'all win

Peach Jam? Yeah? Yeah, how was it? I had a whip that was Peach Jam? Was that was the best turn? That's the best tournament out Yeah? Yeah, and then you see it now it gets all that national that's much actually televised. Yeah, so I don't know. I mean, Nike did a really good job with the E y b L. It was like the first year of week first joined. But Peach Jam was elite. Who was the toughest matchup out there that you can remember? Who was like, damn he is nice. I gotta work on my game. I

gotta get matchup. I don't. I mean, I just remember having to play the Saint Louis Eagles when they had Bradley Beal, Ben McLamore. That was that was crazy. You could do because I was like a post guy and them dudes were just dancing around the three point line. So they were yeah, yeah, oh he did he play for? Yeah? They had him Aj Hammond's Uh who else did they have had a couple San Thomas? Yeah was nice? They was they was cold? Then who was it? Uh? Team

Takeover had like b j Anya, Jeremy Grant, James Robinson. Damn. Yeah, so they every game like eybl was was for real. That definitely helped me, you know, just playing against like I went to high school in Urlans, also playing against him kind of helped me play against like shot blockers in college. Yeah, I could score not at ease, But how did you get to Yeah, damn, that's that's actually

a crazy story. So I didn't have any high major offers, I think going into like my junior year and I played in the tournament and uh, Fred Hoiberg ended up calling me because this prep school we went on like a ski trip. So he called me in the middle of like me going down the hill tubin or something, and I called him back and he wanted me to take an unofficial visit. But people don't realize now unofficial visits. I couldn't be paid for it, so like my mom had to like pay for me to go out there.

I wasna. I was originally gonna visit just the University of Iowa, but then I decided to do both because they were both recruiting me. So we get out to Des Moines, and Des Moines is a forty five minute drive to Aimes, where Iowa State is, and my mom forgot a credit card. So when we go to rent a car, they was like, sorry, like, no, can't do this is like twelve years ago, and so we had to take a cab two Aimes, Iowa. Then my mom was like, I don't want them to know that I

forgot my credit cards. So like I'm running across like this bean field to like get to the practice facility because they're not allowed to pick you up when you off campus and stuff like that. And eventually we had to take like a megabus which is two hours to get to the University of Iowa. And then and then finally at the mL was like, I'm gonna call a car service so we can just get to the airport.

And then this is in the middle of nowhere, So this dude was like, you want the Lincoln or the Cadillac. And my mom was like, just whatever, the Lincoln. This dude turns out to be like a hoarder. So like he just had like trash like in the car, so like he was driving like a tuna fish can and like slide across. It was a crazy I was like, there ain't no way God wants me to go to Iowa. The next thing you know, I'm at Iowa State And it was because Fred Hoiberg. I mean he was just

a honest dude. Told me he was gonna let me have the ball in my hands, and it was that's what it was. From there. That's crass. You might have been in Iowa if they had Uber back then to lift your college have been totally different. Shouts a home boy driving the tune of whip. That's nasty detail. But like wow, I would though like those two schools, like you didn't like with Bruit Nah, Like bc BC was like I remember Wayne Selden got an offer from them, and he was like if they offer you, like, I'll

go there with you. And Steve Donohue, I mean he's the coach at Penn. So we've talked because I'm in Philadelphia now, but like nobody else was like at that point, like that was the first time made school. They were like, ah, what position does he play? Like he's not a three, he's not big enough to play a four. He don't dunk on nobody. Yeah, So it was like Providence came in late with like Ed Cooley, but I had already committed. Billy Donovan was late. But you know, if I went

to Florida that I've been all bad, me different. Yeah, and then like in the midst of like George Mason was another school, but Larnaga took the Miami job, and like I said, if I could to Florida, nah, Miami. But I didn't really have a position. I didn't really like my highlights were nasty, like people like they do highlights like me. I like Nike Peach and people like I didn't just waste three minutes of my life watching jump hucks and it's crazy. You do got a nasty game,

Like it's effective. Yeah it happened, the ball, the ball goes in the hoop. Yeah, it's nasty, but effect. I used to say that we was in practice with the Pikes, which I block his game so ugly, but he's so nice though, Like he's the cud. Yeah, what's your goal to move though? What you fuck him up with? Shoot? Yeah, talking a little bit. I mean I've always had that. Yeah, Jeff, you know he got the you know whatever. That looks sweet.

And then he run you know, he run back. Don't have no emotions, just like yeah, you know what I mean. He got a chap stick in his socks. I can't chat to Charles Rockley right with your belly button Charles Rockets putting. He put vastling his belly buttons chap and I was like, hey, that's the nash sh he's out. Yeah, that's sick, Chatti. Get the socks though. Nah. But I first knowed you when you was at Iowa State. I

watched all of basketball. I watched college basketball like a fan back then, and you were killing but you had a rare game like you were doing dribble handoffs, fake dribble handoffs, running point, shooting threes. And I'm like, man, what I couldn't figure you out. I'm like, how is he killings? Moving in slow motion? Yeah? I was like

a little boris d out. Yeah, you know where It's like, I think the college game is so traditional where it was like play through the big, like you know, when you first got to the NBA, played through the big. You know, there was no real like movement where Fred Hoiberg we played five out. You know, I would make I would play center just because I was big enough to you know, guard a center back back then and then drag them away from the hoop. And they couldn't

guard me that far away from the hoop. I was able to just change direction and dribble, fake handoffs and then I could shoot three. So that's uh, that made me effective there. But little did I realize when I got to the NBA, there was like, uh, cut all that ship up, he said. I first, NBA will put you in a box, like they want you to do one thing. You're gonna do that one thing. So I got a question for y'all regarding that. How you think

is a better situation to go forward with kids? Like now it's in prep because like you said, you can go to college and do whatever the fuck you want too, as long as you found whatever coach you got going. But you can get to the league and they can kind of like shift your game. Is it more beneficial to be like, all right, fun college. I might as well go to a G league or be in a structured place to where they gonna teach me how to

play at this level. Or do you want to go to college and learn how do you play your own game and then just fit in once you get to the next situation. Man, that's tough because there's some people that you know, they've before they've even gotten to college, they've grown to college like so that they need to go to like they're they're too talented, they're too big of a name, they need to go to the legal league.

But then there's some guys that think they're too big for college that really need to go beat like disciplined and learn how to play and you know, learn how to grind and actually work before they actually get to league. So it's like a person by person basis on that one. But I do like what the G league ignite thing does, but it also can't hurt guys that think they're better

than they are. And you get caught taking five hundred grand to come out and that's the most money you ever see and you don't see that that you show what you can't do, and they're like, why would I waste time? I'm playing this kid that's real. Like you said, you you gotta sell yourself one way or another. I know it's a little bit later. Now we ain't gonna talk about the past. But you know what I'm saying, nil deal how you feel you would have eight? You

know what I'm saying. I especially what you be. You know what I'm saying, the ten year player. You know what college basketball loves anybody, classmate, Man, I was all those you know, four years in the tournament. The farmer money out there I would have had, I would have had a good experience out there. But now that I think about it, if I had, because I remember when I got out of college, I did like a signing for like ten grand and I thought I was rich.

I was like, you couldn't tell me. I was driving up to North American Minnesota buying true religion, like I thought the time period I thought I was living. Yeah, that ain't cool to wear that, not the truth? Where would you want? Man? Yeah, you don't do that, the true religion. Give me a period. When you talked about give me a period, trying to give me the true religion fit without the uh the nigga that's built like me on the front of the shirt. Just give me

the regular true religion fit. Just now. You don't want the boot on your ship, give me a little coastal symbol on that bitch. Ain't no little true religious opperside of T shirts And like this bit it looked like the Lucky Are Cereal box, the gray one. I wore it in the summer. That was my biggest mistake because you know, it gets hot. It takes me like raise your hand. It wasn't the club going crazy. Was so embarrassed, dude. I was like, from now on, just black teath in

the summer. But how was it? Thought? I though? Did you have fun? Yeah? I mean so that was kind of really like where I enjoyed, like the outside of basketball, right, but it wasn't too crazy where like it got out of hand, like I could still manage to get controlled. But like people out in the Midwest, they just know how to drink, man, nothing else to it. There's like people that drinking and there's people from the Midwest. They just they just we do a little different. Yeah, it's

like people like I drink. Where are you from out the West coast? Nah? You know, k how much love you get? I mean, it's still to this day. I do a charity golf outing out there, I do a basketball camp. I don't do it anything else anywhere else because that was like the craziest amount of love that Like, that's true. It was wild, and that's crazy. We sitting here with two people who could have went to BC. Yeah, that's crazy. That would have been elected you and had

the city going crazy. I was I thought about going there. What it targe you the wake visit or just because they had another guard coming in. Honestly, my mama had a dream, That's really what it was. Damn. She said, you gotta go to Wake forest Ship. I had a dream. It's less it was over and then let's talk about that's crazy. So you know what I'm saying, you do your thing. Iway stay Now it's time to go to

the NBA. How was it like the workout process? You know what I'm saying, Because you were second round pick, so I imagine you probably had to do a lot more shit than like you know, most people have to who going on a couple of top slots. Was it more favorable for you or was it like more of a stressful time? Like damn, Like I gotta go get this ship cracking, Like yeah, I mean to be honest with you, you know, my agent had a good plan of like what teams he knew, like actually would value

like what I was, what I brought. And I remember my last workout was Indiana, and I just remember him he all the other workouts, whether it was like the Clippers, I forget who else I worked out for, but he was like that one like you need, like that's the one you need to shill. And I'm like, what are you talking about, Like they're about they're trying to trade. He's like they might trade that first round pick, but

they have a second round pick. Da da da. So I think I was in there with like Yogi Pharaoh, Check Diallo, maybe even Bryce Johnson. I can't remember, but I ended up playing really well in that workout and Kevin Pritchard I remember, yeah it came and had a conversation with me after and I was like, oh damn, that went better than all the other workouts. Then you get to draft night and I was the best worst

night in my life. It was fifty picks before you That was like four hours of sitting there just waiting. It felt like forever and then you know that's when you can. I mean, that whole trade happened. He was coming in then, so Jeff really kind of stole like the limelight because it was like the Indiana kids coming back like yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah, we ain't gonna talk about fifty. We just got this dude. He chose that weekend number. I feel would tell you said you

was gonna pick fifty. I was gonna where zero, but na, he wasn't giving that up. So I had forty four so I can throw a west side elligates. But I was just as mad as you. But go ahead. Nah. But I want to ask you, though, was you thinking NBA the whole time or was you like, yo, I might have to go overseas or nothing, like, no, I'm going to the league. I mean I always like the league.

Was always like that's where I wanted to go. But to be honest with you, I never was like working on like I gotta get to the league where like most people do. I was like I'm trying to be All American or I'm trying to be you know what I mean, first Team All American or like a big Big twelve Player of the Year and then it was like,

oh shit, your name's on draft boards. Like I was like, damn, I could actually because my whole like like if you look at my game, like yeah it is nasty, it's effective, but like I never really thought because nobody ever gave me like the reassurance to be like, yo, you your game is league. You know what I mean? Like you, it was always like yeah, you nice, like if we played at the y MC. I've always been I mean,

like someone stay true to who he was. But like you look at my game now, like you watch like college film, I was spin moves up and understil Like now it's like catching, shooting and drive and obviously I could do other stuff, but you realize, like if you could fit a role, there's probably like five to six to seven roles on the team. If you could fit one of those, you could really like just stick it out.

Like I didn't realize that. Like when I first got to Indiana, like I'll never forget, it was preseason and I got in and I traveled and I seen Nate McMillan. He was walking to like the coach's hudder, and he was like someone has to talk to him. He travels every time he's about to dribble into my head, I'm like, I should just never dribble again, you know what I mean? Like, so you gotta find like where you where you really fit, and who's going to give you an opportunity to do that?

Like not throwing shade at him, but it like it kind of helped me realize, like, all right, there's some things that I could get away with before, but now it's like all right now the box of like being a corner three point maker. That that helped me just stick around long enough to get more opportunities to show what else I could do. Who puts you? Like? Who?

Who got you into that mindset? Though? Because Quinn Snyder, Yeah, uh, he's like a I don't know how to explain it, but he's like a basketball and yeah, like a mad scientist. Like that's like he's just so in depth with his detail, you know that. I just remember like he had one

of the assistant coaches come talk to me. It was like, hey, you know, obviously we signed to you, but if you want to play, like you have to make that shot and not let someone just straight line drive you on the other end, all right, just start running to the corner, I'll pass it the ball. Corner threes. So literally, like my first year when I was with them, all I

did was just rep out corner threes. And you know how the NBA is, like if you don't know who a dude is and you out there, the ball gets passing on three point line, you're like, man, so if you miss, all right, they're gonna keep. But you start making, then you start getting reputation like all right, like this

dude can make shots. And then you know the evolution of three point shot and making you know, on the move, you know, yeah, all that, and then you eventually figure out like damn, if I can make three pointers and keep guys out of superstars laps when they ice oning, that's that's a role, you know, And that's kind of like what I've carved out here. And uh, it didn't look that promising when I was my rookie year, but it took some time to figure out, and uh, I'm

going this is year seven. So it's crazy. A salute to that bro, because the way that you made it, like you said, you didn't have a situation where you just came in and got drafted. I'm playing and I'm here next contract. You had to really grind, and like you said, you came into a situation to that shit changes a lot of players because you came into a votel situation in Indiana where a lot of unmoving parsons going on and a lot of things should have happened

that didn't happen. Also, like you said, shout out to coast with Milan, but you know where he was at with the organization of that and with the players. That was all different places. And this is your first experience in the business of basketball. That can break a lot of people because, like you said, you big toe a player of the year, Like you come in like I'm used to do whatever I want to and it's like, nah, you gotta do this. That breaks a lot of players

right there. Yeah, off the sense of I've been doing this shit in my whole life and now you're telling me how to play. But like you said, you took advantage of a situation and you're making a full career out of that ship. Now we're talking about the pace. You know what I'm saying, Who was your fatman? You was a rookie? Who was your who was your guy? That just the first trip we had, he pulled me aside, and you know he was like, listen, you know your rookie year is gonna be crazy. But you know I

got you, Dad. I'm gonna ask you to do a couple of things here and the A couple of things. Yeah, I remember. One of them was the dove soap at the at the every game. I can appreciate that my man cares about his hygiene, you know what I mean. He wasn't using the week week soap said. He made you go get the dove so so every so everything. You probably still get the dumb yeah, absolutely, So not go go crazy. I don't want to interrupt your interview for real. Go ahead. You don't that they give you.

It was like handsen it like yeah, no, no, like I'm talking about like it's up on the wall like type. So I thought, okay, my bad. I didn't like he'd be like, hey, yo, here's something. You know. I ain't gonna go in to detail, but you know, just let me every every road game that we have, like can I get some some dove soap? You know what I mean? So I always carry around like soap. I also had to carry around the cards. Uh, got to go. Get

long has done us. So you know when when some of the other events, you know it didn't step up to you know what i mean, helped me out. My my good man, would you know what I mean look out for me and uh but another one and then not pay and then not pay you. So that's kind of like like a lost art. So when when he first was like, yeah, like here you go, like this is what I expect out of you, you know what I mean, Like I'm gonna look out for you if you ever had any questions, you know what I mean.

And from there that was that was the best season, you know what I mean. I mean, I think every rookie should have have a vet that actually like looks out for them. I mean I think I was the only rookie on the team, but he actually like showed me, show, showed me the game, you know what I mean, like kept it reil and you know that was a rough season for me, but you know, my God always always kept interesting. Another one was Al Jefferson. I can't forget him.

He was making me get him a breakfast sandwich before every shoot around and Jimmy John's after every shoot around with like potato chips and water. And I remember Weir was in New York and uh, I ordered like an egg sandwich from and they did some fancy like this is the Southern dude, so he like wants scrambled eggs, bacon, cheest, like just the regular way. Not so they gave me like poached eggs and it was like right before the bust was coming down. But I ordered the omelet for myself,

so I'm like, oh, like I got an omelet. But so I ended up like cutting half an omelet and like tuck the post eggs off, threw it on the bagel, put the bacon on it, and like there's some cheese on it. Put it together, and I'm walking down because whenever like the breakfast sanwich was sucks, he'd be like, yo, fella, man, it's the worst shit I ever had. And I'd be like,

oh yeah. He would be like you the worst rookie out and ever had, man like you shout out like stupid like that, and he was just joking, but you know, after all, you'd be like, damn, I gotta be better. So when I'm getting on the bus, I'm like shake. He always set in the back, so I walked it all the way down in the back and I'm like, damn, he definitely gonna know. I cut this off and it's like hanging out the big gol like listen. So we ride and I remember we're in New York. Were riding

the shoot around, which is crazy. We had to shoot around in New York. That's crazy, sou He's we like ten minutes in and he's like, yong fella and I'm like, oh shit, like here we go. He was like, this got to be one of the best ones ever. Man. I was like this, like, you couldn't even make this shitt up. But he shout out to big as. He was, No, you didn't have to do that. Shit. Do what I'm saying. You didn't really have to do that. So shout out to YouTube for putting the fourth that man if I

didn't want, Yeah, he had that motherucker post. Oh my mom nah. But George, though you laugh, would you know how I was? I was? He was cool. Nobody telling me. That's why I asked. I was like, I know some of his rookie stories here that school. He took it easier. That boy, you had to do so cool. I got the best part about his rookie years after our season was over, my fat Yeah you could. This is the podcast. We don't have to because that interesting. But literally he

my rookie year after the seasons. We're playing one on one. Yes, yeah, this is where my knee problems start. You remember that ship. Yeah, I slipped, bro, I'm a free agent. I slipped. I banged my knee on the ground. I'm like, oh shit, I was so scared. I thought I ended it. I thought I looked at him. I'm like, oh shit, I got quick playing. I just left. I ain't come back to the facility at all. I sucked up my ship. My agent called me. I think I sucked my ship up.

But I had like two or a little piece of my niscuits. It was over, damn. But then he still had to go collect that. I went through that motherfucking drill sh Minnesota. I'm over there. She was hurt, like, are you figuring this out? Yeah, they do yours on the knee or nothing. I was like, hell, yeah, we go sign this motherfucker. Yeah, that's one thing I'll say, my nigger, he go gets to that check and I'll

respect that, no question. So that's you know what I'm saying, you go through that first year and then after that, you know, take us a little bit through that journey, because I'm saying you obviously moved around a little bit. He was in the G League. How was it like going through that first year in the NBA and they're transitioning to the G League and then you end up transditioning back out to Utah. But how was that Thompston

for you? Like, man, that was a humbling experience. That's like, I mean, you I get cut, you know, so you hit rock bottom. You're like, damn, but I just mess up the only opportunity that I'll ever have to to play in the NBA. And and then the best thing I did was I was able to sign a exhibit ten, which is like you're going down to the league with the Golden State Warriors, so I could see how yeah, so I could see how like k D Steph Clay Draymond,

how they work like every day. And then to be around guys like andre I goodal A, Sean Livingston, like you got to see like, so I went from one one side of the spectrum to the other where it's like they just won a championship and so just to see how they had a daily routine. I think that was the biggest thing for me, is just you know, you can't just work on the days that you feel like work. And it was more or less that, you know, you gotta do it everywhere every day and get a

little bit better every single day. So obviously that was humbling, you know, being there and being in the G League having to start making you go. I think I made six hundred and fifty my rookie year, and then my checks every two weeks were like nine hundred dollars because I was making twenty five grand in California, damn and a Cruise Warriors. That's when it was like, all right, I better make I better make this shakeout or you know what I mean. I don't got no other choice.

So obviously the G League is a it's the same game, but it's totally different. You can get away with, you know, over dribbling and stuff like that. But it allowed me to show what I really was doing in college at kind of the NBA level. And then I got that two way contract, which rather than having to be on a ten day which is I can't imagine the pressure to do is on a ten day, got a field, so then I was allowed to like you know, play

the rest of the year on a two way. Obviously he got practice time, you know, summer league, and I had a good summer league and I ended up getting signed as like one of the fourteen fifteenth man. And the thing that saved me was Tabo Cephalosha had got suspended for five games. Yeah, so they had to play me in like spot minutes and I made shots for five games. He came back played over me, but I ended up getting back in the rotation and from there

on how it was. And that's real, breaking a rotation. Like I always say, it's like as much as people talk about athletes and like how much they get paid, Yeah, but you couldn't imagine like people grind up for them to days. You gotta make the most out of nothing because you ain't getting too many opportunities borrowing somebody getting crazy injured. You probably not gonna shoot the ball that much. You gotta do something in that time period for a team to be like, hey we got to keep him around.

Why are they looking at eight other different prospects. But like you said, you made that shit happen. Got there, got the All Star got it cracking. And then you get to Utah and know what I'm saying with coach Schnyder, how was that because you was a Utah when Utah and what I'm saying had like a revamp. You know what I'm saying, You got you got Rudy. How was that experience? Like getting back nickname? Oh wow, I was gonna bring that up. Now he had a fire nickname.

See here you go. What that's the g wagon it went for mini Vintag told me to talk about I'm talking about nah. So I was. I was out the rotation and we was beating Brooklyn like bad, and they subbed me in the game and I had a chance to go up and dunking, you know, like them the rim grade is like barely over the rim. So Joe Ingoes, who's like the king of talking shit on the team, was like, man, what the heck was that? I was like, whoa, whoa, Listen, I'm not like a Ferrari like the rest of y'all.

More like a minivan. I need a couple of apps around the block five get the top speed and then the silar reports like the minivan. I love that. And then I was screwed after that if you would have went to the rucker there like the minivan, Yeah, like escalade, you know what I mean. When I heard it, I was like, they call you the minivan. Yeah, this dude was talking when I was shooting threes in the corner, you know, trying to make a living. This dude was on the bench like yo, No, he was like you

made that. I knew you was gonna look at me. That's why it was so fun. Compete that gets him because it's like somebody you watched go through it and yeah, it's like damn, he having his moment and he was killing, mocking shoot. And like you said, your time is impeccable because a lot of people come in the league different times to where your specialty may expire in two years. You can't in a situation to where it now the

premium the most important position. Like you look at guys like Doc and Robinson, k Robinson, I've had a ship telling them to do one thing and now they're kind of like, where really fuck with that? But he hit

at the right time. My god. As you can get a test to free agency matters about timing out, about situation timing and you in a perfect a perfect situation right now, boy, and you go are better than what they give you credit for our times like yo, And that's that's another thing that I want to talk about.

Let him know. The perception is crazy. You got a little yeah, because at the end of the day, someone will look at someone that looks like they can defend, right, but someone will drive past them four straight times and they don't even you know what I mean, don't even bad eye. But if someone go by me, oh look at them, look defend That's what I mean. Yeah, I would never defender though. Yeah, but you know what it was is like because you have like the emotionless face

that people didn't think that you cared right. So like he would even tell me on the bench watched this like he'll go go throw a lob and be like and coach, be like just in the game today, Like what because yeah, for real? But he'd be doing the same stuff like dropping down and be a nice pass lay up and be like he look look at him, Look he looks like he's sleep out of there. Like look,

I'm like, what do you want him? Like that? Like that was never you, but he he knew you knew how to play the game, and now that I'm seven years in, I know exactly. So would you call yourself an elite defender? Uh? I mean, Okay, here's what I'm gonna say. I feel like there's guys that get picked are you know in the playoffs, are like that guy's in every Like I'm doing two things. I'm talking crazy shit and I'm just gonna be ultra physical, like you gonna have to have me just fouled, like you know

what I mean. It's not like you're gonna have to hit tough contested jump rover. You're not just gonna and then like think you're just driving by me, Like if you drive by me one time, it's like, you know exactly where Like these other guys that are out there that get picked on, they're like they don't want to touch nobody up. Yeah, No, it ain't sweeting. We ain't switching for y'a. So how was it like when you had to leave Utah? Was it bitter sweet dad? No?

I mean that hurt. I mean that really hurt. Like that was like the first time where I felt like I really like earned earned my roster, spart earned to be there, and it was like, yeah, like we we signed Rudy Gay, Like you know, we're going in a different direction, and you know, I'll never throw shade on another player, but obviously you look at other people and where they are in their career, like Rudy Gay has

had a hell of a career. But in my mind, in my mind, I was like, but like what I did, Like I shot forty percent, like you know what I mean, I came in, never complained and like that was just taking for granted. But you know, like it up once you left, like because it seems like that was all like super cool, like even seeing y'all after the game, like, yeah, was a cheesecake factory and shit, I'm like that's the only place I could go for real. Ru Rudy was

there temporarily, he was trying. He still there, but I'm just saying I just felt like they probably I don't think that was really where he probably wanted to go at first though you think really wanted to be there. I mean shit, I mean, I mean you go where the money. I mean, you go where the money goes. But so like you when you're like when you're a free agent, you're thinking like if the team sign signed someone that kind of does the same thing that you

do for more money than where you're making. They chose him over you, so I had to go find another place. Oh yeah, which that was like damn, So you didn't really value what I did. You felt like you had to go get someone else to do something that I did and think they're gonna do it better. So that was my first time and that I never had free agency where teams were like, hey, we're asking about you.

So I was like, I was like, damn, like that that really Like that was one where when I got to Philly, I was like, damn, I I missed Utah, but I know they don't really care about me. And then when you play alongside like two superstars that like demand like double teams and stuff like that, you like, shit, I thought I was opening Utah, but yeah, even like I just double team, try to trapping. I hope he missed, Like you know what, I'm getting wide open shot after

wide open shot, and it's it was. It was a blessing because I didn't think it was a blessing in the beginning, but it really helped, like helped me show the NBA or other gms like how much more I have to offer in my game if I'm given the opportunity and you own a team that's highlighted in the

last everybody's seeing you every week. Yeah, you think it's I mean, obviously it's a difference, but you think it's a really big difference, like when you and them smaller market teams, Like even if you're going crazy, yeah for sure, look at Dave Millard ye talk about it. It It should

have been an all star off the jump. But like being in Sacramento, it's like even though they're playing good as hell this year and it's yeah, yeah, they still they're like third in the West, and they still don't even get like they gonna around get to two seed and they still don't give a shit and they haven't made a playoffs in fifteen years. Like the bean Man, they was it was due, They was due for a good year. Yeah, but I mean what you mean there was dude, They was due seven years ago. They was

doing year. They ain't been good since Baby was there. Come on, man, that what they're doing over there, that's real effort. It's not just the luck, you know what I mean. Damn, I ain't saying it was luck. I'm just saying it was like it's just supposed to. Yeah, I'm not saying that ain't no they were sketchers. You'd be like, nah, they ain't doue that bullshit. All I'm saying is they they are good team here. They had

every fucking draft pick since my fucking ninety seven. So you first draft first round, you do for a good season and disrespect him marpen Backley, but boarded they fuck up that draft that was supposed to get them back by sill over there no after body had the picks on the draft. Shout out to my nigga. The bris Cousins fuck the same time. So now blodie out of there. See you go. That's why they made it. You play with two, you know what I'm saying, Hollo tanem so

far in your career, I gotta ask you. I think obviously we know where you're going with this, But what's the difference between playing with Donovan and Rudy and the difference between playing with Hardening and b Oh? I mean and b demand though I do it for you, bro, he demands double teams. Rudy didn't demand no double Yeah. I mean, like Rudy is like think about who we had like in Utah, right, like we had all a like six eight you know, not really NBA athletic like

shooters like Royce, Nio Joe and Goes Boy. Yeah, we even had Mike Conley. So I mean quins Steiner was like, hey, worst comes to worst, just press up into your guy, stay on his hip, going to the rim rudy, you know what I mean, Like at the end of the day, I remember sometimes just guided my guy and the rudy and then just falling right off into the big like he gonna either block. It effected like you're going full speed,

gotta shoot over a seven two shot blocker. It changes the game and we're taking away the three point line, I mean defect. Like, so we were allowed to play defense a crazy way which didn't give any teams advantage. Like if you wanted to beat this, you would have had to make like twenty five mid range jump shots at like a fifty percent clip, which is like unheard of. And then you you know, Donovan was so athletic, dynamic, like he just creative out there, like you've seen him

last night. He hits someone with a sham guy and then a pull up three like you know what I mean, And then he's just he's just he was something that we didn't have. We always you know, I hate to say unathletic, but like to the NBA standard of like, so none of us had the ability to like really go buy anybody. And Quinn's a mastermind at creating advantages. Then you have Donovan and someone that could play one

on one. So it's like two different dynamics because now I'm playing with guys that don't need any action, like they all go get a bucket regardless from the other side of the core in the corner being double team like we played last night. I don't know when y'all gonna art, But against the Bucks, I mean, James, we

was down fifteen points going into the fourth quarter. It was like James Harden was like, all right, come on, like you know what I mean, lay up, three step back and next thing, you know, you like like Jayalen McDaniel said to me, he was like, oh we win it. I was like, yeah, Like this dude just really just

put the team on his back. And I mean it did just two different people, but the dynamic dude of Joel and and James, I don't know, I don't know if you've ever seen a pick and roll tandem like that in this error of the game with switching because you can't switch, like were you gonna put your big on James, because we're you gonna do, put your the guard that's guarded on Joel like it's over, and then you surround that with shooting, you know what I mean,

That's how you get some chicken and in that way, like you said it regardless and if you don't cover, they're gonna get free throws. And I asked a question because people, as much as I'm not the biggest Rudy fair, Yo, his defense changed a lot. Like so being able to, like you said, close out and send somebody to the room can't be just effective. It's being able to throw the ball in the post if you playing the right

way right, No, you you ain't lying. I mean. The thing about Joel is that you want to come double team. He has that mid range where he'll just shoot over you. Elite you see teams just get discouraged because they come to double and he's looking and shooting right over you, whereas like Rudy, it's more of like a lob threat. But on the defense event, he's he's stopped another team from scoring twenty easy thirty easy points because they ain't Jilly.

You know, Jill, you're thinking about that shit for you coming to back. Come on, I remember we played, remember what he was in India. They're like, go bear, I remember dan Bert, Go bear. If you go in there, just think about it, whether if you're gonna kick out or try and shoot a layer, because damn, his blocks turn into like they're like turnovers for us. They're leading the fast break points for them. And like you said, that's a part of the getting that people don't really

put together. Like like you said, a quick little contest or a block is a layup on the other ear. It's just an effect of getting that bitch in the posts. Also, James Hard boss here, I don't, I don't know. That's crazy. Yeah, James Hard not gotta at absolutely like for no reason. I understand every about respected those who had good years. I shot down't nobody, but James Harden was cooking two eleven and seven. Give somebody else, Just give somebody else.

He's a hitter. That's just what it is. It's an equal opportunity. If anybody else had this stet line, but the Max do talk about it, but it's crazy. I got a question, though, what are you listening to game day? You got some music that gets you together or you know, obviously being in Philly, you know Meek Miller eventually comes on. But you know who I really really been listening to his NBA Young Boy, Yes, my CEG. That's why I mean, so I don't So here's the thing. It's like where

I've come, where I've come from. I can't really say that I really, you know, understand something he's talking about. But it's okay. I'm here to god. When I heard you fuck with NBA with your boy to your boyfar that one, I ain't gonna lie, bro, that shocked me. No. I mean it's not like like it's one of those things that I'm listening to on a constant basis. But his music definitely gets me me hype. That's what's something.

I remember what he was listening to because we had a whole argument last week about NAS and I just refused to believe that he had one of my playing your locker room. But I was getting ready for a game. Respectfully. He was a great teammate, you know, who you put me on though, okay, which helped me. You know, ladies out there, Eric Bellinger, come on man, yeah yeah that's a good one. I ain't knock us. We be added about music. That's a good one. Yeah. So I didn't

know nothing about it. He was like, Yo, you got this one in head, played this for you? So who do you he put you on? Eric B? But who who you fu with on R and B side? Though? Did he the R and B guru? Uh? Debatable? I mean I'm very I like, uh genuine, but see but you gotta understand, like, so I'm mixed. I'm mixed, right, okay, So like that that side that you know what I mean, that side where you're talking about like like someone had a cookout, Like I ain't really got too many of those,

I respect. I got the flow, you know what I mean? So I'm still being put on too, you know what I'm Okay, I gonna sit up here and lie to you and make up something that I never want to be you. I got the girl. What's what's y'all doing? Utah? Though? Like off the court, what did y'all do? Like for they wouldn't playing? It was actually cool because it actually gave me like time to just not feel like, you know, you're in the city where there's do you like, I

gotta be doing something like the views. It was cool, there was there's good people out there. But I was never in a rush to like try and go meet up at dinner or I just it was just slow paced. So it was more or less just chill. I mean there was like rooftops that you know had, I mean simple stuff, nothing that you you know, No, I was just wondering. I ain't never kicked in Utah, so I always yeah, yeah, I mean there's park City is when there's sundance out there. There's there's some good times to

remind you, Iowa no dispectful. We just talking about recruiting that I I was flat so like you, I had like mountains and I'm talking about the vibe, vibe like because drinking wasn't really so now you and Philly. You know what I'm saying, how is it going outside? And Philly like, how's that can Rodder? You know what I'm saying. You're in the locker room with the homies and you're stepping out as this before we go down after a game.

What is the what are the fans because I've been to Philly and they getting their ass kicked boom brutal let me talking like yeah, like I remember, like you might have to pull the clip on this one. But we played Denver and it was like Joel's first match up against your kitchen. They was going like they was necking MVP right and he kicked it to me in the corner and we was down three. Jamikah Green blocks my three. I get the rebound back. We're still down three.

There's like three seconds left, but I had like a I gotta just score quick, you know what I mean. I just got my ship blocked, so i'd rather than kicking it out the tyres, actually I shoot a floater. Time ends we lose. This is like doctors like what the man. I'm walking off the court, They're like, you

fucking suck of that song. I'm like, damn. So I'm driving driving up, you know, because there's like a ramp to like get out and then so I'll never forget this, like people know, like your car after out there, like I don't even know why we signed your batucking like no,

it's it was. It's crazy, but I can appreciate it because they actually care, you know what I mean, where it's like I wouldn't want to go to a place where it's just like you know what I mean, where I have to stay in field like every night, like you see people in there who are like it's a blue collar you know city where it's like I'm an electrician. I make eighty K year if I'm going to a game, you know, yeah, like I put a lot of my hard earned money, and it's like I want to see

you play your best, you know what I mean. I can appreciate that, and it definitely makes you want to be prepared when you get out there, like you ain't going out there like I don't know if I got it tonight, not at home. At least you ain't the Philly fans stretchers, the motherfucker's blue Santa Claus I speak. You know what I'm saying. I'm I'm saved g because obviously the professionally he's a Sixers organization players right now. But Eagles fans, y'all fucking sucked. They are probably the

worst fan base. I speak for me, I know he going to the crib. Oh, I'm happy they flew where they flew to right back in that cage the Eagles. What I'm hurts he's the guy. I respect that a lot. He cold, but the Eagles niggas. They don't get no player around here. But like you said, how was it once? You know, I say what you deal with Utah? Now you were Philly A little bit different of a vibe stepping out, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I VP

candidates and your team. I'm sure going out was probably a little bit more lit there it was in Utah, I would imagine. Yeah, I mean we have a good time as a team. You know, obviously New York's made up the street if anything, but Philly is uh. They definitely show love and we definitely have people on the team that you know, you know how to have a good time, that's for sure. Nothing wrong with that. Absolutely. You know, you gotta kick back, relaxing, enjoy yourself every

once in a while. You can't be always up tight. You know, I'm fucking oh oh you was here with team You're a nasty nigga. J Well, the time I got talking about what was you outside here? I know you was here for a year, but it was revel Oh wow about yeah, what was uh they had with like under the bridge catileg wrench Ye, Jeffery, have you taken off too near? Oh yeah, yeah, that's a good time. I seen him in here, it'd be like it's row Hill man, it'd be a lot of mixed, mixed motherfuckers

experience in any sometimes he's crazy, crazy crazy. I'm just saying there was like, okay, this motherfuck he didn't take you to the trench like it was it was it was and though yeah, tremors and all that ship was gone. Yeah you went in there, you probably he was probably in that motherfucker jumping with arms in the area. That's what you think crazy. Don't let him patient with you now. But he didn't take you know where where it was really like happening. Yeah, you ain't going a couple blocks

away for long. I've been what's the place across the street that longs you went to the icon? Yeah, I'm custu man. Okay, lets the boat, baby, Okay, y'all retarded being so much trouble man. I'm just like, what's the

difference between your team this year and last year? Like, I mean, I feel like I got I was I did like some radio showing on that text that yeah, you're like hilarious, but it was like the way I said it was like you have a roster, like when someone takes like a max contract, if like he was beneficial for us, like get in there and passed, like

you know what I mean. So like when I'm when I signed to come there, you know, I'm thinking like, oh, this is perfect, like another big guard that can get into lane and loves to pass, Like how many more open shots am I gonna get? And then when you decide like like so the team doesn't get anything from that, I'm not playing, Like so now you gotta start from like minus thirty three million, like that's tough, and everybody knows like he wasn't just getting traded head up, you

know what I mean. So now when you thinking about stuff you can't control you out there like damn, like am I playing too well? Like am I going to get attached on to him to get these as? Then you twitter the worst thing because you know you're going to Sacramento? Are you going to Detroit? Are you going

to you know what I mean? You like, dang, I just got here, like like I'm just getting acclimated and then when you trade for someone you know as dynamic and prolific as James Harden, I mean, you gotta like change the way you do things because like he has to fit you know what you're doing. So we didn't have enough time to really get that rolling. I think this year we've had time him to like build chemistry and see what we like and what we can be

better at. And it obviously took us a little bit, but I think you could when you'll watch, you could see glimpses of like, oh damn, like they for real. And then there's other times where you're like, all right, they still got they still got some ship to figure out before they are are really good to you. Bro ye got hurt oh Man twenty five in the first half. I think that little injury kind of setting back a

little bit. Yeah, I mean I think when you play with and you have that much athleticism, when you have something like that mentally, I mean you would No, I've never I've done moved fast enough to but yeah, for sure, and then you know the adjustment of coming off the bench. But now he started, I think he's damaging like twenty eight. Yeah, I'm saying, like I know, y'all went through like that little moment. Oh, ye got hurt the first time we got hurt and it was like damn because James was

out too. Yeah James, And was it Joel for a little bit too with his knee or something. Yeah, we were, we was fighting. I remember we was doing Charlotte and lost to them, So that was damn. Shout out to Charlotte Hornets. I can't wait till y'all geme, like y'all start to get everybody. Yeah, yeah, how you like playing

with my dog? PJ? Shout out to PJ. PJ Tucker Man, he's got to be top top three, top top two teammates of all time, like just a if you go on a ward, you want that guy on your team and he won the best dude, one of the best. Super shout out to PJ man. You already know super cool you Yeah, Like he's like the prototype of your game. Like when you look at a player, you'd be like, Okay, can he be PJ Tucker? Yeah, And that's what you're probably not for sure. Well before that, it was like

Jared Dudley, Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, he had a long PJ play. What's his like eight, it was like sixteen sevent. Yeah, now you're doing it right. And that's the far thing, you say, like to see somebody create an avenue and see somebody flourishing. It's just like I can keep doing this another ten years because

what I do is still important, right. No, I think the coolest part is like I think as an og like he sees people are coming up in his shoes and the like, you know kind of school you to the game. And I know this is year seven for me, but I still have a lot to learn in the fact, you know, he's won a championship, he's been to the Mountain tips, so you know, telling me on how to prepare for certain games or what to do leading up to the playoffs. He's huge. He's a huge contributor on

our team. So pause, I'm about to go. I was about to be like, see you will of to day. I don't know what we're immature over here. We're not gonna go about like you gotta be his teammate to realize how many fucking shoes. No, even then, you have no, you have no like here I thought it was bad. Like so he has his locker in the pax facility, and then he has like a whole area gotta be like ten by ten with like shoes like on shoes

like this, but a whole lockers feel. Then you got the locker room at the arena that got like a whole other locker with just like the boxes of like some more shoes. And then he got like a whole like thinking about them laundry buckets he got them and just shoes like whatever. And then there's the back equipment room. It's crazy. People have told me he has like a house. Whenever you bring it up to him, he'd be like, I'm been there, it's crazy. He'd be like these ones.

I got these ones like twelve years ago. I might wear it every night. I'm gonna wear He switched his shoes like four or five times. He has like two, you know the sixteen shoes back. He got like two of those on the road. He don't play. You gotta like be his teammate, realize that shit. Yeah, they didn't explain it to people. They people be looking at me like I'm crazy when I tell the story, like this nigga got shoes and you got kicks. And the crazy part is this dude got kicks and will wear the

same shoes the whole year. Oh, I know them saying black kobes he wore was sponsored by Adas. Put black tape over the white. Tell the story reason I got in trouble. Tell us Butler got me in trouble. Damn what shit I was wearing? I was sponsored by Adidas, and I put on some kobes, put tape all around them, black it out. So and we're the same ones all year hot? How how you do? I don't know, man, probably like every three games. But you know I got more weight, you know what I mean. It's some black

me forces tray on the tire. Come on, you already wearing the low cut socks, the no show socks. So you try to get him in the black mins looks. I can't read. I can't. You'll never wear those shows, act because I get it. Tell us somebody black man is crazy. I'm just saying, if somebody's wearing some low top air forces, I am not going near them. They're ready to rumble, you know what I mean. And that's like your boys you're talking about. Hoop and air Max

nineties was insane. I don't know. Anless made it so much but I respect I respect it. But yeah, he told me because he got beat by the cops. Yeah, so it's like it's the only shoe that felt good on his ankle, you know, yeah, crazy ankle was crazy. Oh yeah, that's about that. Damn. I mean, I guess I'll walk that back. But I just thought he would just own that, like the no I used to hooping like Katie's Kobies, And he was like, man, he's the

only shoes my ankle could fit in. N if you seen walk towards you with a max, that's damn like the Black Forces, he gonna ask for a change. You're trying to up the blakey on you. But either way, you don't want the answer to what he about to ask you, what shoes do you hooping? Know me, we're working at the sketchule. We're gonna get after this podcast. You see right now hooping the honestes last year, I hooping some pgs. I usually just find I have Nike

has like four or five shoes. I find one that fits, and I'll get him in all the color of the jersey and then that's it. You're rocking the b shoes. He ain't plugging with the US. I don't do the a's Like he said the same shoe for three years, that you can't really rock a big man shoe because them look like school busters. And I love and I love my dog Joel, but yeah, some shoes are respect it. But that's how I felt about you'all a couple of years ago, y'all trying to bring the ewings back. Y'all

was on the fucking pocket. I hated that notion. When I see everybody words a bunch of you, Jeff, you got hit though, so I'm gonna let you out a bunch of every he slept on. He was't bad man, stop it. What's better? Barkley's Barkley talk about it easily? Who even as a big man who got a cold shoe like always personally, canna think of that's cold at that time period that you would have warred with Shot.

I can't think of no other bit. I'm talking about Senders though, Blue was crazy Mexic Seations, one of the fire shoes ever. And Barkley's like right below Pindy as far as like signature wise, niggas don't talk about it. Barkley had that fire. Yeah, but damn not not the Joel said, you got hardened too. He ain't gon swing the Mate show love man, he got some cold shoes. Yeah, you gotta switch pre fifteen sixteen. He's fourteen. Damn, that's how he'd be getting on bron Semples. You gotta take

some of his You got it you cold? That was a crazy This guy's the worst. You get immature, Nah what you usually leave them? And he's still here. I mean he got him outside his lock. I'm applying. Okay, let me slide. I ain't even wearing fourteen, but I got a couple of the pe Kobe Jeffer west Side Nigga through. I appreciate he's throwing them out, man, go ahead, slide. All right. Now, we're about to put you on the clock. You know s. We're gonna ask you a couple of questions.

You don't gotta spit too long. I don't know. I'm saying this tells how you feel. We're gonna do a top five first off, we're gonna talk start off with top five your favorite players, oh of all time? Yeah, you ain't gotta put him in order, but what are you fucking with? I definitely gotta go with Michael Jordans. That's your top absolutely I respect Yeah. Uh, Kobe Braun Uh since me in Indiana and Larry Bird. Oh, you don't gotta do that. I'm at four right and uh Curry,

I'm sorry Katie. Katie would be in there if I didn't have Larry burning there. But I grew up in Boston, so damn you had thirty. He drafted me to Indiana, so you know he got a special places. Yeah, I respect that. Like, what do you what are you frustrated about? You just grunted puffing over there needs some extra oxygen. Come on, go ahead. He don't respect any other players. You don't like the pacers. He's a Larry Bird. Yes, it's time to put we can't record on Sundays on

the board greatly be to be depleted. All right. So that's your top five for players, all right? And I got top five cities. What's your top five cities? You don't been around the NBA? Where's your top five places to go out at night? No? I know how to road trips will, but ain't got getting into the tail. But you know what I'm saying. Toronto is one facts, Miami is two facts. Uh, just this don't go on anywhere. These three off New York, LA, Phoenix. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

he got a nice top. So I'm gonna throw Atlanta in there from me. Yeah, product placement. Yeah. I haven't been able to really, you know, experience Atlanta, you know, thoroughly, because you know, we've either been on the back to back, we haven't really had like three four days in Atlanta, but I've heard a great things. Y'all be shitty, we'll be having no fire as cities and on the back

to back. Hey play in Minnesota, and we used to leave fucking Atlanta so fast I can imagine, because like I know, y'all probably can't st talking to too much. But can y'all take a letter fly like fron the Palm, Like I know, you travel the same, paying nothing when you ride free like that, you know, pay for a charter when you already got a charter. No way to make no sense. But there are some people who do shout they checked different. We don't know who that is.

Check different, all right, So you know what I say. So we ain't gonna talk about what I'm saying in the off season, but you know we're coming to mind as far as what you might do, what you think about doing it. You can moving on this too. How is it when you like thinking like all right, cool, I might want to fuck with this, or I'm looking throughout the season like this look cool, like I wonder how I feel with this? Now it's more open. You got boys, like you said back then you had to

just deal whatever the fun they said. Now you'll can get on the Twitter, but like fuck with this or he going crazy over here? Is that looked upon of your decision where you're kind of thinking about what you might do, or just like I'm just gonna keep in the back of my head just in case it becomes relevant because a lot of fans on nowhere is talkers

all the time. Obviously no tampering and ship, but you know your agents do that shit for you, Like we're joining teams, not even join the team, Like you know, I wouldn't be mad at this, like nothing to a criminate, but just like look at situations like that might be cool type shit. But yeah, yeah, I mean I think everybody had human Yeah, I mean like you always got your own opinion. I mean, for the polically correct crowd, I think you should not tweet that I'll keep the

thoughts to yourself. Yeah, don't be stupid. Yeah, but you know, I think they're guys talk over the summer, what they what they want to do. I'm sure there's some recruiting going on right now. We'll just have to wait and see what, you know, two years from now happens. Yes, sir, I'm sure there'll be some crazy stuff going on. I just hate the bullshit they'd be like, look, y'all, just because athletes make good money compared to most people, it's still a job. If I'm about to transfer a job.

Who over there, what's got going on? What's your PTO? Like, y'all boss school, they fucking with you. Everybody does that. It's just now that's just like, hey, we can do this too. Quit trying to put us in the box like we weird, Like this is literally our job. Facts. I see, I got a question for you know what I'm saying, since as far as his your directory wise, what do you think is the next step of his game? But you see going crazy for him, don't people? Boys? Yeah,

he never gonna do I under ten? How mean being on the other side of the spectrum now, like being a player now working in the office. G is one of those guys that you you spot out like, man, he can help our team be a better player, a better team, a better ball club because he does the little things. Obviously you can shoot the ball, so he knows what he has to do. You just gotta perfect those I always tell people, do what you do best. Don't start trying to do shit like trying to dunk

on niggas. Shit. But you keep hitting up quarter three, you're gonna walk away. Yeah, well will pay man, that's hard man, get to Brits boring all to a go off. That's a lot of people say, like I mean, being the start. Obviously it is a cool thing. But if you, like you said, your situation, you came in, regrind and rebuilt yourself to the point to where now you're gonna have to you know what I'm saying, longevity the league.

You're doing everything you want to do the right way and as far as fun to me, because a lot of people be in situations they still like you said, you're a seven, shit, you're eight. They might have to figure some shit out in the whole situation. Now you're in a situation your team contended. It's lit And before we get out of here, how is it playing for Doc? I always wonder how they's playing for Doc Rivers. Yeah, nah,

Doc is you know, he's a motivator man. I mean, obviously, he's one of the best coaches to ever you know, coach, and he does a great job of just motivating this group. And he's he's had so much experience, so he's pretty much seen everything you know in the game. So the fact that you know, I've been able to play unto him for two years has been a super great experience for me and it's allowed me to grow as a player. But I think the coolest part is he actually is

still like confidence where some coaches wouldn't do that. He's that's important and it don't matter about excess and those you gonna go out there and motivated like he's he got some of the best pregame, halftime post games, which is where you're like, all right, like I run through a wall for this dude. He used to be in my heads. I'll still hate on Doc Rivers a little bit, but it's only because I hate that Boston team won championship.

It's really not on Doc. It's just I hate that team as a whole, Like I love Rondol's one of my favorite players, but that team I hate that. Yeah. KG was cold, right, Alan was cold with part persons cold but together. I hated them. I hated them and I hate when I'll be hearing them talking to I'm like, man, all right, y'all gotta chip man, but y'all gotta input on everything. It's always always Celtic with the input on everything on social media. I'm like, yo, y'all can cut

that shit out, man, because that okay, be here. I can't hit on Doc Rivers where I gotta let a slot. I mean, you just spoke highly. I ain't talking about Doc. I'm just saying, ok I gotta let the hate go. I'm here you grow baby whatever you won't. But just know this is a fucking current player. He's saying great things about Doc. With that, that means I gotta keep the smugg going by myself. Then fuck it, I'll take it off. But hey, we're about to get out of here.

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