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not up? How you what sho bro by the doors again? Yeah? I had these was about the garage door. Oh y'all don't even know what the garage door here? Turn that into like a thing. Yeah about it? About it though? Last when I leave to my media left. You know what I'm saying, We got a guest. Love having guests, especially in the end of kids Midwest kids in the building. You know what I'm saying, Hooper philanthropists found. We're gonna talk about all these things with my dad. G R three.

How are you feeling, man? Appreciate you pull it up to five twenty, My boy, appreciate y'all. Appreciate y'all having me. I've seen what y'all doing. I have to check in. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. I know y'all got a little bit of a relationship going on. But before we get into the episode. Look you see this table. It's

real bear cameraman going through some stuff. That's why the sponsorship. See, if you put a sponsorship, we can get this laptop popping real nice, get this table going and our cameraman will have his balance back. Shout out to my man behind the lands doing this thing. But before we get into today's episode, I gotta talk to you. Know what I'm saying. You can't to five twenty door mars. This marsh Matten is going on. You know what I'm saying. You know you look you were a little bit farther

to tournament and t get over here. But I gotta ask you, know what I'm saying, a biased question. Do you believe that was a foul? That one? No file, everybody knows the block we ain't even got to expect. But you know what I'm saying, Michigan fans, No, y'all still feel that too bad? I don't care National Championship. We're gonna get into that. But Dad, it was a crazy play hand straight up he went to go get the black on page see for called the foul free

throws changed the game? How shitty or like salt two with y'all at that moment because everybody looked at said that ain't no fucking foul. We in the moment, I just I looked at Trade's face and he was pissed, like he was shaking his head. I forgot what he said to the ref, but I was thinking next play because Trade just had to hit that shot against Kansas before, I think or two games before, so I'm like, oh,

we could still get back in it, you know. So my mind was just like, all right, we could still win win this game. You know. Yeah. I have to say I'm sorry to bring it up, but as a little bit fast it's one of the few things I got to hold on to, you know what I'm saying. They try to take that championship away from us and act like we didn't all watch that fucking game on Monday night, quit playing with us. So what I hope we did cheat. I hope everything that they said was true.

Shout out to nail money. We've been on that type of time, man. But you know, typically asked, especiallyhen we get Hoops on the show of that origin. Shit, we know your origin man, Like how was it to grow up? You know what I'm saying as the son of Big Dog the legend, especially in the two one nine, Like, how was that like influential on your upbringing? Obviously with that being your pops and growing up kind of in the NBA. Yeah, you know, it's it's a blessing, for real.

That's how I met T for real. He knew my pops and stuff when we was on the paces. But it's a blessing, Like I grew up. I've seen cars, I've seen whooping. I remember one time he was with the Bucks and I'm in practice. I was a little little kid. So I'm running on the floor and George Carl he cuts me out, like, man, get you get your son off the court. You know what I'm saying, Get him off the court. After practice, were in the car,

My my pops let me drive. So I'm in the standing wheel like this on his lap and uh, I look over and it's somebody. It was I think Tim Thomas just was flying past, and then my pops wrote his window down. And I've seen Sam Sam Casale and imagine seeing Sam Casale as a little kid. You see his little thing, you see his place as a little kid. I'm scared of And my pops never let that down. And that's my guy, that's uncle Sam. Man. But my pops never let that down. Man, Like you scared. My

son had to saw basketball early. I forget that day. That's real, you know, it was suthing like that, you know, I was. I was in NBA practices, you know. I got to see my pots pull up and in different cars and stuff. So my my my mind was always focused on what I wanted, you know, and Pops and never influenced me to you know, because I played football, I played different sports. He never was like you gotta play basketball, you know, until I got to high school.

It was clear like spot like what you're doing. But but yeah, nah man, I can't I can't complain. You know. Obviously he was traveling. He wanted to ring with the Spurs. I got to see a lot and and really follow his footsteps in terms of the open one. I was gonna ask you about the other guns, like you know what I'm saying a lot of people who don't even have no credentials and niggas whould just be on Instagram place they'd be pressure they first moorn kids to fucking

get on the basketball court. Did you had that type of pressure? It was just like he lets you fuck with it. But then it came time, just like, nah, so you don't see what I said, You like, we're about to get the work type shite. No, I'm laughing because I remember I was going to high school and I was playing football. I still up into eighth grade, and my post was like, I give you a cell

phone if you stopped playing football. But it was clear no, and it was just a joke, but it was clear I was I was better at basketball and that was my path, and Pops was right, you know obviously. But nah, I remember playing football. I used to be receivering. I was nice, you know, but I was like, man, basketball probably was crazy. I was probably like eighth grade six

two sixty three. Yeah, you was big in a big six eighth grade there with one hand, you know, and I was there, you know, but I was like, man, this ain't my sport though, Because it got time for practice and it's like them them drills with all right, it's time to go head on against a linebacker. Somebody, you gotta square up. I'm like, nah, it's football. Never for me. I was a buck thirty in high school.

Six dog, listen, I grew up playing baseball, and I'll take a fastball to the real cage for I catch your motherfucking up the middle of linebacker to the nah, dog Like, I don't see how people play football and wake up and play that ship the next day. Yeah, yeah, that should have to be bill for brother. My brother played. We we opposite my brother six six one, like three hundred pounds linebacker. Hefl right now, Oh damn, Yeah, you're playing for Saint Louis, the same team with a J. Mccarne.

So I've been checking that out. But yeah, we complete opposite. Growing up, he was wrestling football. It got to a point I'm like, nah, we ain't fighting no more, my brother. Yeah that's great. That look were cool on the hand. Damn. So obviously you know what I'm saying. He put the ball her hands. You get to play, You know what I say? Before we get to your college and high school,

does how was it you? Because you had. You had some young hitters and your team, but you came retire period with high school basketball was really getting its uh shot, especially on social media, and y'all that's why team was crazy. That's y'all was cheating, y'all. We just had a lot of talent over and Gary and Brandon Dawson was on our team. We was naming a couple of Mitch McGarry NBA players by the way, all NBA players. But before that, a lot of people don't know I was born premature.

So I was born three pounds four houses and I spent two months in an incubator as a kid. Save me a produe basketball, like winning a little basketball and put it in the incubator. So for two months that's where I had the basketball. And then so I started telling people that's when I started first started hooping. Damn, you know what I'm saying. So it's just using that moucker for two bucks two months. You had no choice

but do that basketball. And now that's why he came to He was like, all right, your name, but trying to return that investment side. Did y'all win? Did y'all win any big tournaments? But we used to that was before because I think we was under armor and oh they was Nike when they was y'all talking about the Yeah, then we switched over with the under arm and I remember we would used to go to Florida all of them tournaments. We was running through all of them tournaments.

You know what I'm saying. But we wasn't eype nigga, what shoes was you hooping? The man? When Jennis first came the pen leather toes stay the rest to genus man. That's oh I had rolled my ankle so bad in him. They had no likes. God me, I would I would have rocked it. The curries are dasty. It makes me step is one of the coldes niggas to touch of basketball. And he got his shoes that we will never touch

again or touch the first time. That's why I asked you what shoes usually were it bro, because that's a crazy circuit to be Oh yeah, no, under armor was popping though. That circuit was curtiy. Yeah, I'm talking about this with the gears. Oh yeah, niggas would have rather hand hooped in some knikes then you know what, Yeah, because you can wear nikes off the court. Ain't no under armstures, you was gonna wear off that court unners,

no sock? What was one of your toughest matchups and that you can remember you us Muhammed was twenty two. Oh me every time? Yeah, every time we used to running him in championship game was up so but yeah, that's that's who I remember. That's one of the mans you forget about. Like it wasn't too far up. But he was a problem in high school. But then we remember he was big and the motherfucker Minnesota in Minnesota. Yeah year, Yeah, my rookie gear. He had that joint

B passport. Crazy what was he like? Just text? No, he was. He was two years old. He was like older. He wanted the og hole backs and who yeah he was a double hole but he reclassified. I ain't got hill, but by my god, I see I got him. I'm best what he cool as hell? Oh damn? You know what's crazy? I want to a tournament to Washington play in the North Central and he was dunking on everybody and I'm like, yeah, I'm like, bro, was I hurt?

The nigga was huge? Bro man child bro. And then when they came out, I was like all right, I get it. He wasn't man, you know what I mean? You know what and I was shipped this to the two and nine. You know what I'm saying. That EC teen where they had Angel Garcia. Y'all not telling me are Garcia was a high school player? Bro. I still don't believe it. Bro. Where the documents? He was cold? Bro, he was a grown man here, just got off a ship at the steel mill. Bro put on that rear

jersey and gave niggas work. Damn. Angel was nice. He was cold. But yeah, Man, high school, you know what I'm saying. You said, Pop started telling you asked time to really get it in, like what was your like what was that switchlight for you when it became Basketball's kind of like fun. He's like, nah, we we I'm gonna show you, you know, seeing how I would, and I'm about to show you how to get it there, Like was you going through them type of drills with practice?

So he was just letting you work out with your coach. Nah man. He I would go visit my pops in the summer, me and my brother for two weeks, and that's when I remember about him. He was strict on two things. You gotta do your cardio once a day for twenty minutes, and then you gotta keep that pace up to a certain level. And then you gotta eat right. It was grilled chicken, broccoli, samon, something you gotta eat

right for lunch. So that as a kid, you know, so that and still still to me like all right, this is what I need to be doing to get to the league. Yeah, you keep your body right. But he said he learned that from Ray. Like Ray Allen was was big on all of that back with the bucks and everything. So but he didn't learn that type of stuff till he got a certain age, you know, so he spread that knowledge to me. I was I

was appreciative of. But he came to watch me work out one time in high school and I used to get up at five thirty in the morning. And a lot of people kind of heard this story. But this this like would I'll tell all the young kids this, This what got me on and this got me my scholarships. But I used to wake up at five thirty my college. My high school coach was honking his horn in my driveway. My mind, you know, you met, My mind was like get your better, get up at five thirty, so I

hopped his car. We had the gym by five forty five. I get a thousand shots up before school every day. Damn. By sophomore year came in high school, I had my license. I beat my high school coach up to the gym. I beat him to the gym every single day. And man, I used to turn on the lights. That's my favorite sound. And thousand shots every day. In the sophomore year, I had scholarship from Michigan, Colorado. You know all the schools I had scholarships from. But I test what I tell

the kids. Man, A thousand shots a day, one hour in the morning per day. That's all it took. You was on the gun work. I was on the gun about to say a minute, Pops came up there rebounded for me. Okay, I know if you had one of your niggas rebounding for about to say, shout out to the rebounding Yeah, I was a rebounds all you gotta working up with Big Wallace. That was. That was because I used to shoot with with two hands on eighth grade. You know how as a kid, we just throw the

ball up there. So eighth grade, my high school coach was like, Yo, if you want to play, you're gonna have to change your shot. Like you don't shoot with two hands, it's the guy hand. This is how you shoot. And I'm like, whoa, so I got it. I just looked him off, like, man, he don't know what you're

talking about. It eight grade, you know. I'm like, I'm kind of nice, but I wanted all that, like I'm kind of nice, and man, I got in the gym thousand shots per day and it started working, like I was able to control where the ball was going because you shoot with two hands, it's spinning his twist and nasty man get control. I would started hitting them shots. I'm like, whoa, this really worked. Thousand shots per day.

That's how I tell the kids. Man. Yeah, that's some different type of different because I would have never been like, well, what time would you get have to work out? Nigga? I didn't go work no, nigga, what I want to know shit like that? What time was you done? I was done? You can just move back to so we can hear you better. Yep this way, ye sir, yep, he said what he was going to high school? Yeah, I'm saying five thirty. So what time did you get the thousand shot up? Seven? And then it was like

six fifty five seven. I remember I had it was a deodorant. It was popular. I used to spray that shit on my head. Get the scrub real quick. I had five minutes school start at seven fifteen. I had to do what I had to do. Quick bird back, quick bird back, run the ax on the hands. It's crazy. It was spraying that motherfuck bro. I used to do that. Pike Man, y'all niggas was sick all. You gotta sit all day. You ain't took no shower in class. I'm like I knew Hoop was for me the every day.

That was a young team. That was your boy. I think nil in high school. Oh god, commercial with the horse and you didn't had a soul locked. My nigga lit a fucking superstar. They could get that on camera him doing that every day. Imagine that nigga taking an accent hinted with the lebron and bro. It would have

went viral. Shit. That's crazy. Dedication different though not for real respect because like you said, you made your own jump shot, like you had to go through and make your own jump shot to get to the next level, and like you said, that hard work in that dedication got you your offers. We're gonna talk about some schools.

You know what I'm saying. It's crazy how we got two Indiana All Stars and what I'm saying two pros in here that did not go to Indiana school was there in the end, you know what I'm saying, in particular, that should have maybe recruited you, but that didn't recruit you. I got licking the camera when I said this, Dude, Purdue already know already I would have went to Purdue for real. I never said came out and said this, but I probably would have went to Purdue. My pops

was a legend. There was number thirteen cent a banner. I probably would have asked to wear number thirteen or thirty one or something. It would have made a whole storyline. But guy had better plans, you know about getting recruited me. Uh, Tim Hardaway Junior. Shout out to Tim. He gave me my my official visit. They was recruiting me. We went out to parties, did all of that. Man. Yeah, man,

I had a great time Part eight seven. You know, However, we was I'm like, whoa, this is what college is like, you know what I'm saying. And I go to Michigan. They on the roof, they playing beer, puk off the roof, jumping off the ruf, everything all weekend. I'm like, whoa, they party like this, but basketball football this is how they get it in. Yeah. Here going to the schools that got the dude, like the footballs and the basketball lit hit different, especially like in the Midwest cold the

people white people don't care about the code. They gonna turn up regardless. So you wasn't in Arbor and it was a fucking party because that's like the Bloomington of Michigan, but way better. Yeah, yeah, for real, Yeah, Michigan it was. It was a good time the two years that I was there. If it wasn't Michigan, what school was you close to thinking about? Probably I don't know if for some reason, Colorado always stick in my mind. I kind

of went to go further from from the crib. Okay, I didn't have Kentucky or North Carolina, but I had almost every other school. Really what I'm saying, Yeah, I think I finished high school seventeen in the country or something like that. But I you didn't offer me. Purdue didn't offer me. It was a lot of schools that passed up on me. That's crazy. Yeah, that on't even makes sense. Yeah, don't offered me either. I thought I was going so I thought I had off. Yeah, I

thought I committed and you don't have offer. I an't know that I committed Perdue, but they told me you got a scholarship. Bro, I want to tell you. I was like, it's always up produce. He won't smoke. I didn't think it's what p hey listen to. They offered my little brother. I was like, why was I waste

your time? Yea, I committed, Bro. It was like I was gonna call you back, but they called my dad like I don't got a scholarship all right, So wait old and this is like, this is the summer of your junior year or your senior year already, this is my junior early old on you called and say, hey, I'm coming. I had just got all them scholarship offers, so I had. I thought I had him in the bag away from I just turned down Kansas all them. I'm like, I'm gonna to produce. You get on my

fucking Irish but literally stick got a scholarship. Oh did you have your head ready? That's why I went to the other Black and gold can go. I'm gonna wear these dnps won't way or another day. That's crazy, I mean, that's I just think that's crazy that we look, especially now in the tournament, like we got so many kids from the city that be out here getting the shipped off and they're not in any of the home schools that should probably work on that ship. NAS should have

been a shout to Nigel Pack. There's no reason these good ass player should not be escaping the state. In a dream scenario, IU would be a Nike school and have a culture that just recruited in like Central Indiana and the region, and they could probably win a national championship every four or five years if you just recruited in the city. But fuck them, but getting done with them working, it's over with all right. If I could come out of high school again, I probably don Michigan

for real. Juwan heard Jordan's They just said it was fun to say you, Hell yeah, I'm god have been a perfect mesch for YouTube. Hell yeah, And you went to a crazy situation because Michigan. It was already solid. And then you know what I'm saying, who came into Michigan with y'all because y'all had a whip. They was producing talent. But Trey Burke and Tim was already there. Me. They started calling us to the new Fab five. They started called us the fresh five. It was five freshman

that came in. Me Cares, Subvert, Nick Styleskis, Spike, All Break, and Miss McGarry. So we came in and it was the I remember the first uh like scrimmage we had against each other, the seniors. It was seventh seeners. They looked at us and they was like, yeah, we're about to smack them. We got on the court man they seen who we was like quick, we started whipping. We was up twelve quick and uh coach was like, yeah, we gotta switch something up. Seniors went to the coach

and was like, I think we're gonna sit down. We're gonna take that role as leaders. They let all us fresh and rock out except for Carris. They was like, yeah, we're gonna red shirt him. Bline was like, yeah, we're gonna red shirt him. Everybody was like, nah, Carris, nice, I don't know what you think The singers went back to him, was like, nah, we ain't red shirt and carrots. He gonna play and that's when we just started all that's hard. After that, Yeah, that's love. That's sure. That

happens nowhere else. We came to campus. Man, my mama dropped me off and I was like, man, where am i a? You know what I'm saying. I was like, it was me and mitching the doing. It was he was my roommate, Carros and Spike was over here and Nick and I was like, man, it's all three of us in the doing right in the hallway next to each other. I'm like, man, we was having a good time. That's why we came into practice. Start smacking them coaches like, yeah,

we gotta switch it up. They're gonna start nah they just I mean, of course, shout out to your coach, but at the same something, shout out to them bro, because that don't happen. Yeah, so where they go to the coach and not Man, fuck these little niggas many not taking nah yea, they all got real good job. Josh bartle thing is just got promoted with the Sun. Yeah. Carmen bro he was one of them seniors. Yeah, so yeah, man, they doing good things. They live. It was always smart.

It was another story too. We was the first one to have them slogans on your shirt. And we got to the to the final four and we had we owned. So we was like, yeah, we come in the court and we switched on the light switch. We own. We turned on Yeah, and we was the first ones with the slogan Adidas start selling them. Was we created this by ourself. We went and printed them the team win and printing them and we was just we were the

only ones that had them. Did it. The next game, March madness came out at the whole we own slogan. We ain't selling none of that money and getting nothing. All of them seens was business students and everything. You know, so we know what's going on. We see thirteen like it's over with think about to make millions off this ship. We ain't get nothing. Damn bro Bro, they millionaires now if they would have did that. Tre Burke National Players

year millionaire. I mean obviously he made to the league, but cold was trade Burking Colors bro. I mean we know because we watched it. But you you know what I mean, you rocked with him. So what was he luck? I personally ain't no trade. When I pulled up, I know, you know, a little dude from Ohio. You know, I'm like little light skin du he got tattoos, you know, corn rolls or you know, I'm like, man, who is

this kid started he started hooping. We called him like AI, he's just cold with it, you know, justic with the ball. And back then, you know, you get to the league. You know, people taller and back in college. Man, he used to get all his shit off. He was cold. But to see a player like that National Player of the Year it was Denar Robinson at that time in Michigan and Shade Burke. You couldn't go to the cafeteria, you couldn't go to Windy's if one of them was

over there. It was like, yeah, it's a rap that I knew he had a bit. That's why I asked you about it. But I mean, shout out to everybody else, but I knew he was like a big deal. He was a nigger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot Nar Robinson was like that. He had it cracking damn both of them on imagine that, and that's so crazy. We talk about the nil money, like, especially at fucking Michigan. Niggas be hating no dual to me. But I understand I'm

saying Nigazaga too. But I'm making way more brand living on campus than I would pooping in the league. It's a second round pig that changes everything. Hell yeah, so you know what I'm saying, Like you said, unfortunately, we talked about what happened, but I wasn't making it to the final four because like a lot of people don't get to experience that running ha tournament, Like what's that feeling? Like?

That's probably like probably a part of paying like the best tournament in the world, Okay, because it's not like the NBA playoffs, No, Nah, it's crazy. It's fans from everywhere obviously showing up National Championship game, playing in front of seventy five thousand at the Georgia Dome. I'm in warm ups almost air ball my first shot because everybody looked like ants in the background. You know what I'm saying, I ain't never experienced that playing on the court. Everybody

else looked like ants. You know what I'm saying. It's usually the other way around. Looking at you so I'm like, you threw off my whole you know what I'm saying, my shot. But you get to the final four, you get all the fresh gear. You know, whoever, whatever team, whatever, whoever spots you're seeing, you all that pack of all a good gear. The plane is different, you know what I'm saying, is different, pert DM different, everything different. You get to that final four. That's hard. But I'll never

forget coming back from the championship. We had all the fans that was waiting on us as soon as we had lost, though, but all the fans was there afterwards, and it's like winning the championship when you get back and it's all the students just there, like one hundred thousand people just in the in the streets. So imagine that. Damn my teammates spiked spike all break. He tweeted Kate up there and when they took national championship, so he

got back. He was the man on captives. Yeah, all the little chicks, ye, Trey Burke, because that's the trade was in foul trouble. We had seventeen as the backup point guard. Remember who he tweeted k up there afterward? Was the man I was I was at the crib shitty because I was like, all right, Trey Breaker, foul trouble. I'm like, who, what the fuck is this little white dude killing us? He was going nuts in the first half. I was pissed. I'm looking at Russ Smith like, if

you don't wipe the fuck up? He one nine yep, crown point yep, ye, running rapid. All right. So you know you kind of like what you're going into the draft situation. You know what I'm saying, You had a chance to leave earlier than you even expected for school. This tell us about that process of how you like, you know, that summer going into your sophomore year you kind of like, oh damn, I could have been his And then like I'm going back to school. How was

that process for you thinking that out? And then when did you decide all right, I'm gonna go ahead and bounce. Yeah. I mean I wasn't really thinking about it when I when I first got to Michigan, I was just trying to I was trying to go there and be on the team, you know, not be a role player. I was obviously trying to start, but I didn't expect for things to start moving like that. We made to national championship. We lost. Next day, they like, yo, you leaving or not?

You know what I'm saying, that's the option, Like it's the next morning when you wake up in the hotel. It like we're gonna leave or we're not, you know. And I hadn't discussed it with my family nothing. I remember talking to Pops and I think I'm eighteen nineteen at the time, and he looked at me and he was like, I don't think he ready yet. And I was like, I had to respect that, because this is Pops.

He's been at that level or whatever. And back then for me, I ain't know if I would have knew what I knew now, we would have had a discussed me off, because you know, you know how we talk. You know, like the difference between going top ten and going I went forty second round, So the difference between that right there is four years then they're man, you know, nice bread locked in, So yeah, I get second round Minnesota. I ended up Wiggins was that's when the whole Lebron

trade went down. Wiggins came to Minnesota and me and Lavine got drafted to Minnesota to two. So I was the third or fourth wing on that on that spot, they had to let me go and then I had to make the team. Uh, it's the Sixers picked me up and through the way versus I made the Sixers team, and then my whole career was just like like that. And it could have been different. Off the top team. It would have been totally different because you're given a

bigger opportunity when you picked ten. Even like if he went to camp, he would have went to camp with Minnesota and he killed Levine because Lavigne wasn't good his first year. He was, but you killed. It's like, okay, you're killing him, but he ain't about to play. We gotta give him a chance. Eight. So it's like, but I couldn't believe he went back to school. Yeah, yeah, I had that decision to go back and go ahead. No, I was just I was saying, well, Bro. I was like,

well shit, Bro, Like I told you, Bro. Bro must have had that thing back trying to let go. Yeah, yeah, that grip o. Life is good. Like you said, you'll come home a little after a loss. I couldn't imagine the day to day he was probably living. Man. Yeah, I really wasn't. I wasn't even thinking like that, like all right, we're going top ten. Yeah, we out of here. You know, I was thinking more like, all right, I'm trying to line up what's best for me. Pop say,

you know, I ain't ready. I'm trying to line up. All right, we're gonna go back next year and kill I come back to Michigan. I'm supposed to be playing the three. Blin still got me at the three and the four. You know what I'm saying. I look up, I'm gard Stephen Adams. One game, I'm I'm like, yo, nah, this ain't what I sorry two. You know how college coaches do you know you when you now you going back or whatever? They got you in the bag, They're like, okay,

now we're gonna get our plans straight. Yea. So it's crazy how the game work, you know what I'm saying. And you and George was talking about that. But you know, as I got older, I learned how to understood how you got to play the game. As you become a professional, things changed and you gotta let certain things go to you know, that's alcohol before we move home, and you got to talk about that. Steven Adams mashup I just you ain't gotta go on the chill, but man, I remember,

keep your own bro. He kept me on. Bro, it's a free throw line. Box out of pocket. You know, I'm trying to box out Steven Adams on a bro. I turned around and go like this, you know I I turned around and go like this. It was that he was going the strongest in the world broers as a joke. Bro. Nah, yeah, for real, no matter who, he's too strong. Bro. What's crazy is we was in a bubble and Steven he just plays ukuleles. He's just a chill He cool, cool dude, he got that court man.

He's strongest. Life is peace. Who with Steven Adams in any aspect of life? Bro? He got eighteen brothers and sisters and they all be That's crazy. He didn't got beat up there. He don't care about nothing. The league's way. He moved. That's crazy. Beat my wife stretch. Yeah, that's why. That's why I'd understanding college players. Now that the portals open, they'd be like, oh, why is everybody jumping in the portal because y'all don't know would be going on from

year to year. Bro, People gotta make the best decisions for them as players. Coaches can leave with no penalty. But y'all be tripping with the kid. Make a good decision for him if you have an issue with that that you like. They said tournament because right now every team is good right now is because of transfers. Shut the fuck up. So, like you said, your first year

in the league, he was in Minnesota. Like, that's crazy because when you think about all those guys you're talking about now, they are all the different situations right now. Did we all think the Lavigne was gonna be close to better than Wiggins? I knew he was talented. You're smoking earlier. I'll give you a props. You didn't say that earlier. I always thought he was nice, but I didn't think he was gonna be as cold as Wig was. I always thought Wig was colde But that had to

be the highest jumping team in the league. Bro. Yeah, yeah, y'alla one team. Yeah, y'all won't win it, ship, but I have to practice. We was having a crazy Look, oh, y'all fucking championship ship. You gotta jacket? Would we wouldn't do it, but shit, that's scared. That's crazy. But me and Zach because we was drafted together, so we was just just home. That was the homie man. We used to I used to take water to his crib because I remember he wouldn't even drink no water. Now we

would go to restaurant, he just fries milkshake. So I'm like, you know, go back to the story with Yeah, man, you gotta do this. You know at nineteen, you know, I'm trying to tell him. So we would just go back to the crib and play video games the whole day, hit the gym at night, and Jack was like that he was a dog. And I knew Zach was gonna be nice, just the fact that he had that at him. But to go back to what we were talking about,

Trey Burke was that way. And when you had asked, when y'all asked me about Tray, Tray set the tone. And I was already getting up from high school like that. Tray set the tone for me saying in the gym at night, Tray of being in the gym to three am. Damn. Yeah. We would order to you know, the little meal cars that you get in school. We ordered the meal cards, the pizza or whatever we get for free to the arena, and we like, yeah, drop it off here and we

eat go to play video games. Were right back out there at three am, because you know we're in the dorm. Ain't nobody trying to stay in the B line when let us stay in the apartment. So we liked in the dorms. We might as well stay in the gym the whole the whole night. We was in there all night. And that's where I got that from. That's crazy. Did you when you was at White used just working out with the team. We usually all I lived in the

gym and college I didn't start. I took basketball series and I got the couliners from high school and give a fuck. But when I got to college, I lived in the gym. It was nothing to do it wait for us. So I shot two thousand shots to day, me and this dude named Gary Clark. That's crazy. Yeah, that's all we did. I literally I never went out for I never went to I went to two parties in my whole time. I wait for us. Damn. Yeah, unless we went to a club after again, went to

the End club like twice or something like that. But I never went out, Like, I didn't even talk. I walked around with my headphones one talk to two people James Johnson, gar anybody awake forward nigga. It was probably weird, like I ain't speaking nobody football niggas, but that was just me. That's how it talks. You was when when we first met, because I ain't no tea back then. I'm from Gary and you know y'all from ye y'all

from down here. So I'm like, man, I ain't know you, you know, so I had to introduce myself like I ain't know what. People don't mess with me or not because I'm like, man, I'm from the g and he down here and he's like, nah, what up to you? I know you're Pots from back in the Egg, you know. Yeah, you know you have to barber shop blacks Pots stay in the Egg. So we were just shopping up then. But I was like, nah, bro, ain't gonna he ain't gonna mess with nobody on the team. Just gonna stay

to yourself. That's usually I am. But I was like, yeah, off top many, Yeah that's crazy because you think about it like that sounds like real casual that you'all just saying that ship. But that's really incredible niggas really like living in the gym, like you have to be that deady need to separate yourself in the times and situations. But it's funny as hell just because you know what your demeanor you act like that makes so much since

it's just a brain for that ship. Also, you know what I'm saying, you gotta you gotta represent from the two one nine right now, we got some things going on because the outside world disrespects Indiana. Y'all gotta claim to any animals, bro, we gotta we gotta trace they they zip code and make sure that they're not from the three one seven. But we're gonna put them on the two one nine until I get the shit shorted out because I get tired of when we go places

to the people, we say any animals. Yeah, I want you know what I'm saying, love to two one nine, but I need you to speak to your people. You're gonna have to get to the bottom of that. I'm putting that on y'all. I'm not accepting that no more, put put them in one. You know what I'm saying, marrible that got space with the niggas whole bart. I'm saying, you'll can throw them off at whole bart but you gotta you gotta take care of them, bro, not bro.

That's funniest hell man. And so like you know what I'm saying, you make it into the league. Now as your relationship grows with your pops, I mean, not to grow obviously it's so dad, but like it's just different talk now, all right, you grow, you got your own bread. You in the league. It's a conversations changer. Yeah, obviously he's still got you. But how did those conversations evolve? Yeah, I mean throughout the years, they've just been evolving. I

mean finance talking, we talk about money. A lot of people don't know. My pops was the first one to ask for a hundred million dollars facts, and I don't think he wanted to do it, but his agent at the time was like, nah, we're gonna go push for this this hunter and the Bucks ended up getting sixty eight, you know, but but still to ask for it, he opened up that gate for a lot of people to go get that back. Yeah, So I always got to

keep that in the back of my mind. Is like, man, my pops really reinvented a lot of a lot of stuff, you know, and he was a dog so but outside of that, you know, I also respect who he is and as a father, you know, to be able to lead because I know what it takes. We know what it takes to be in the league and nine months out of your time and then to still be with the family and do what you gotta do. I respect that for real. So we talk about a lot of

different stuff. And I got a daughter now who who five? So I need that guidance in my life, you know, in times of all investments, you know, all all type of stuff. Yeah, that's far because like you said, you see your pops do it his wife and the right way at the same time. So now it's like, all right, you in the league. Now this conversation is different. Put your money here and put stuff here. Don't be asking me for no money because you're rich. I know how

much money you make. You ain't get no payday loans. Yeah. No, My apostles are always good though, because a lot of people they really don't. They think like we we Me and my brother grew up with Pops and we was like really spoon fed. But I grew up my mom and my grandma, my dad did what he had to do was on the road. We've seen him when he could and I respect that. But I grew up with my mom and my grandma and we from they from the g and it's like, it's sir, man, everything we

do is is the right way. You know. They ain't going for nothing sloppy. So Mom, yeah, man, And uh, you know, she told me to go back to school when I left. She like, you, you're gonna go back to school and do that. And I just finished up Harvard Business School, So I went back and did that thing. Appreciate it, I can grabs me. Yeah, I was gonna get to that. That's hard. How was it going to school? Because I mean, you know what said the last time you went to school is a little different. Time I

went to school. I think it was man with two fourteen. So I'm like trying to back up. Like I opened up a book. I'm like, man, it's been a minute. It was a bunch of reading and all that, but I knocked it out. I ended up getting number one in the class, So congrats, b But I want to, you know, start my own business, open up business companies

and all of that. A lot of stuff I've been interested in I've been knocking out throughout these past two years that I've been stepping away from the game since Sacramento take care of my daughter, but I got its real estate, Crypto. I got a chance to learn all that stocks, you know, and really teach myself all that shit.

And that's what's important. Man. Like you see now, so many athletes, we don't hear too many of those typical stories of like athletes are going broken more because it's it's draining the like I don't want to be a thirty for thirty, but I got all these avenues and it's people to teach you. But like you said, you went back to school. You didn't go to iv Tech, no disrespect the ib Tech, but you went to the

fucking IVY League. Like I can't only imagine the last time I went back and look at a fucking textbook. And like you said, when you was back in school, you was win milling should getting your grades if you weren't trying. That's hard. Yeah, I couldn't imagine going on school the dog. It was crazy though, because it's like all right, y'all know Gillette Razors Safer, It's like, all right, we got to break down the company, look at a bunch of numbers and it's like, what did they do

that was different that made them successful? And like when they shit wasn't selling, they cut the prices in half or they cut it down a certain amount. So it's just knowing how to operate that business and like how to because these folks talk about two hundred million, three hundred million dollar companies like it's nothing. You know, the owner I knew I wanted to get into business to

be involved in all this stuff. When the owner of Minnesota, his name Glenn Taylor, but he owned a recycling company. He come into games every day laughing at us on the court, you know, just happy. I'm like, whoa dude? Different? I wantn't do that, you know, but paper exactly. So that's what it's about, man. It's just leveling up so I can teach my daughter, I could teach the next generations. Like you said, I got a foundation, but I think it's important that we learn all that stuff so we

can stay on top, not just get there. That's what I'm saying. We got to stay on top. Yeah, because, like like you said, the way that they break down companies, you'd be like, damn that this ship on a two hundred dollar company. I'd be happy if I had a ten million dollar company. And then you see that difference and you're like, oh, okay, you gotta play this game. That shit crazy. Yeah, exactly exactly, And we got it in us because it's with everything, the same thing with

the shoe game. Everything that we do, it's ways to whatever you interested in, it's ways to build that out, to be a master at that and to make a successful business. Yeah you know what I'm saying, especially with marketing, because we make everything dope, Like we'd be we'd be champion the craziest shit and we'd be the reason when it dies. Yeah, like we really be having all the

control ship. If niggas got on TV and we say hey we don't with George no more and really stuck to it, it's gonna be a different They go sit on the store. Yeah, you ain't got away for your Jorgans in the middle. You got a river Oaks to pick them sits up. When you stopped hoping, did you go straight to school or you took a little break? Yeah? Nah. So when I was with the Kings, and I think it was February marks when I got released, and a lot of people don't know I had hyper extending my

knee twice. So I'm on the court. I think I was closing out on Jimmy Butler with the heat and closing out, and it's just my knee just locked and just gave out. And that's a scary feeling when you just running and you just give out. So that ended

up twice right before the King situation. I ended up leaving the team and then just got my got my stuff right here in Indianapolis is home for me, make sure my knee was right, got all the therapy ship born, yeah, and then yeah, and then just make sure I make sure I just handle what I wanted to handle, what I wanted to do with my time. And now I got everything that I need to get out the way and now focused on getting back to the league. And

like I said, started my business. I ain't announced it yet, but something to do with involving with dunking and hooping for the for the next generation. It's introducing that to them. So you know, I got the sauce, the secrets to that, to that skill, and we could talk about that. I remember when he was doing the dunk contest, like it's a way to jump. Yeah. I'm like, you just go go through the drip. He's like, nah, it's a secret to everything. Man, this niggas. You got some space gym.

The strip shoes, remember that I bought all of them and everything. So that's the reason why I'm doing this is because I bought the shoes where it gave you the heel or whatever you couldn't touch the ground. And you know, I bought the DVDs to get my vertical up and I put sat in my shoes like Jordan everything and I figured out that the secrets to jump and the sauce to jump. And so that's hard. I want to get back and do that, but scale it out and make it a business as you should. Yeah,

don't do nothing for free. You can't now, don't do nothing for free. And that's hard. Like you said, you know, you stuck that in there. You say you're working back, you know, sing to get back activity streets. You know what I'm saying. You see they headed out the bags, go get you another one. I got a couple of questions for you know what I'm saying. Far as your poke career, what was the favorite team you're playing on so far? The Warriors without a doubt. I can fucking

imagine a lot of people. That's a crazy topic because a lot of people, you know, they shit on us that year with the Warriors. They like, oh, y'all, y'all was ya was trash and you know we we was like, we didn't win a lot of games. But I'm looking at it like, I'm here guarding Brian every night. I'm guarding Brian Kauai PG. You know, every night, I'm at that three spot. I'm starting. I'm doing what I gotta do on both ends of the court, having the career numbers.

But besides all of that, playing with Dre Klay Thompson, Steph Curry, getting to see them like what they really like. It was crazy. Like Steve Kerr, I remember during practice one time, he's like, all right, we're gonna call the play reverse. He's like, nah, scratch that, I gotta I drop a tesla. I'm gonna click it like this verse. I'm like, yo, But it's just stuff like that way keep us locked in. Were laughing and shit, But he like, you think it's a funny joke, but we really like

locked in. Now we're like, all right, reverse everybody rubbing verse. You know. But Coach like that man he sometimes you walk in the gym, he like seventy five, Sonny, just go and enjoy some somening, get your shots up, go and enjoy the sun. No practice, damn you know what I'm saying? What going for that? You need? What you wasn't doing that? Bud was kind of like bubb would do. That was like that. What was their work ethic? Like seeing Draymond and there. I mean, I know you clearly

think you a thousand ice on your thinking. I know you're you've been dedicated to their motherfucking bait, that little lit my size of it. Nigga, alright, no, you're working that waking bait. How was they ship though? Like watching them like way step Steph Curry is is like a beast man. Yeah, anything hand eye coordination. I think I've seen an interview with andre Igudalla saying it, but anything hand eye coordination, where if Steph would shoot, like shooting

from a mile away, he's gonna hit the target. If he's darts, he gonna hit the target, pool table, he's gonna he gonna knock that down anything, hand eye coordination, steph owning and that he really liked that. But as far as like his practice time, it's crazy, man, dude, don't stop running. You see why he is shape. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You see why he is successful. He gets to the gym early every day and he put it in his work, you know what I'm saying.

So I respect all of him because too, Drea pull up to pull up here to the pock put you know, you know Dray coolest hell so same thing with Clay. They all just they don't operate like the superstar mentality where they can you know what I'm saying. They operate off off love for the teammates. You can't do nothing but respect that for sure. Yeah, I'm gonna that's always

be one of my fighter players. But you can tell like the culture like you so I hate when people say that were but you could tell like the culture, like the relationships they gout there like that ship genuine but especially like y'all who playing the multiple teams. You go from places that's really lit like that, and then you go to another organization. It's like, Nah, these niggas

ain't on this at all. It's hard to dial in after that shit, like you got a really different sit Let's talk about that practial school with oh yeah, yeah, I mean I went from Atlanta to the Paces. I love the people with the people with the Pacers are good people. Like the people around the organization and good people.

But that team was just not boy dysfunctional. It was I love people with the Pacers that make them, you know, like a decent organization as they do to small things like when I came here, I was in Minnesota when nobody that helped me find a crib. My mama out there with me. We're trying to go get my friendly to you know, practices, and shit. I get to Indiana, they got everything set up. You know, can and call like, hey, we got the house is set up. You want to

go check out the cribs we got for dealership. You know, everything lined up with the Pacers. That's all right, you know everything else that was going on during that time, that real crazy time for the Pacers in Indiana. That Pacer team, the organization is great. That it was really good people. What's your funniest Pacier moment though? Off the court with the squad, did y'all ever go out somewhere

at least I know it was hectic. But can you remember time when y'all stepped out somewhere and y'all just enjoyed each other? Pause? But you know what I mean, just take it. I don't remember really doing much of the team really ain't two games, y'a niggas didn't go to one little. I mean we went places, but like as a group, we wouldn't. Like that's a different as team though. If you look at the different individuals on that team, I can't see them niggas. Click it up.

I remember was it YR year. I think I got hurt and there was my ankle. I got hurt my niggle, and I got back from my surgery, and the whole team was at my crib. We was doing some type of like team buying. It was it was a mandatory team buying it things. I was like, yeah, we're gonna have it at my crib. And I ended up getting hurt. So I come back from surgery. You know, I'm high off this stuff that they gave you from the surgery. I just popped the perk thirty I get back to

the crib. I don't know anybody that's there. You know, I'm feeling wave like the whole the whole paces squad is in there, you know. So that was funny, said, I never forget that day. I thought you was on that too. Now I wouldn't know that same year, the year I was there. That's when you was like coming into your own and I'm like, why y'a don't start this fool. I was throwing him live. We had a little backdoor play. I'm like every time every time I used to say that. He was like every time, I'm

every time. It did, but they wouldn't feeling that they was. But I remember when he was starting on a win street because we was winning all our games at home and then you know, yeah, shit go well yeah, I'll be so sad talking about you know, I love it, but so sad. The energy just drained. It wasn't like that. It was like that's you could have been good. We're supposed to be. It was supposed to be. If you go down there, man, that was cool, bro, were supposed

We started the year off with stucky. We had so many people on that team. It was so many forgot under six foot gards of that team, man, so many you shout c J Miles. Ye, did we have c J Watson at some point too? We had all the CJ fuck because I remember I text this nigga after the first game. I said, you know what, my fucking mouths he might be worth for them, said, I'm not fucking with Jeff. I never get Jeff hit that. That fake passed and then threw that bitch off, and I

was like, oh, we lift this ship. He can't push that bitch and then we just looked in everybody was like fuck. But really we just couldn't win on the road. Bro, we want all our games. We want like thirty games at home. Were losing to the nets at that time. That's when the next when we was listening to everybody on the road. But I think we want like seven games on the road. I try to think it was though. I think it was just well. But obviously in talent,

it wasn't that food. The chemistry, it was all bad. As soon as I got there, as soon as I walked in the door, it was can we blame it on you? It was a lot of I was the team, like the team mentor yeah I was. I was a young young everybody's doing but you know, Mama's coming to me, you know, And I'm like, yeah, I'm just trying to keep up with the way, with everything that's going on, you know, my eyesight, I'm trying to look around see what's going on every day. It was something I'm like, man,

this is crazy. I just put my head down like that get some money mantra the third But I used to tell him like, bro, you're gonna be good. You just gotta play. I gotta let you play. Yeah, it was not playing like they shouldn't. That's crazy. So we can blame Jeffer that Basil teams, which is in that's right, that's wrong with that. We played a big part. I probably was like six, I take that. That's a nice shot because I just went open to being like yeah, I mean we talked about it. I'm going to open

to the idea of being like that guy. I was like that, they're gonna have to be cool with me. Abody about to be all around. Ain't ride nobody meat paused like how to be but you were supposed to jump up, peg back bron see what I'm saying, messy. It was just to trying the rumors to bring Gord herod in what I'm saying, Bro, it wouldn't neat Bro. They love God here they still I wouldn't mad. No. We played the Hornets last weekend. I heard the broadcast.

It was like, God, they would be a great addition. How I swear to guy. No, no, y'all could use me. No stop that happened. That's gonna happen. It's gonna happen to the We're gonna retire. Look what they did the Ricky Rubio. They wished him to be a pacer forever. He didn't even play. It was like, at some point, we gonna get this nigga on the rock. Trying to get Ricky for like three straight years. He was there

last year, but remember he was hurt. He didn't ever play for the places, but they were determined to get them motherfucking three or seven and get them. That's what they gonna do. What year did you entered the Dunk concert? Seventeen seventeen when that was the next year? Yeah, it was it was that year. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah yeah, because that's when I came up to you, I'm about to win this motherfucker and he was in there practicing. Yeah,

and I'm watching the nigga through the door. Oh shit, I see what he's doing. Like, I ain't gonna say that, but I'm like, okay, how quick did you sign that? Shooting with that with that that championship man, Well, it was crazy. I was signing d Way shoes, so you know,

coming out we could talk about that. It was they give you the options, you know, Nike gonna give you like a little twenty five bands and give you like the resting gear, you know, twenty five bands, twenty five bands and gear, and Adida's gonna get you like whatever. Leading was like, all right, we'll throw you were back. So I'm like, all right, I'm going with leading the gate after gate and uh, I was one of the first ones, you know, that take that type of deal.

It was my rookie year. D Wade ended up seeing me with the Summer League and then I did a three sixty. D Wade seeing me and I was like, now you coming up a way a Wade. So ever since then me and d Wade we got cool. He let me make my own shoes. I put the logo on my shoes. We did a shoot here in that list everything. But so we was like, Yo, we want

to do a crazy shoot for the Dunk contest. When you take pictures and the flash go the show, whole shoe gonna be reflective and it's gonna gonna change colors. So they did that on the shoe for me and I ended up. I had like two or three different shoes that I wore, but the eyes were stacked against

me crazy. I remember it was me, Aaron Gordon, DeAndre Jordan, and Derek Jones Junior and my age and had called me because at first, I'm like, nah, I don't think you know I can dunk, but I don't think I'm gonna do to dunk contest. I don't know if this is for me. I don't do that type of style duncing and uh. He called me back and was like, I got somebody for you, and I was like, okay, let me talk to dude. He texts me, you're gonna do a three sixty between the legs. He was like,

throw it off the backboard, double tack tap between. He texts me a list of ten dunks I had never heard before. I was he out his mind choosing a fuck NBA Jamin. You know. Way I met up with dude. He came to the Pacers facility one time after practice. We walked through the dunks that he had on the list, and I started making them ships. And then he started stacking my cousin on top of boxes. So at this point, my cousin like seven one, seven two, I'm clearing him.

I'm jumping over him. It's the first time I ever tried to jump over somebody. In forty minutes, I'm started clearing dude. I'm like, yeah, we're gonna win the dunk. Yeah. Remember that's the practice he was telling I'm winning this. The pacer aside Jim was pacside Jim. All the brick in it. It's still there and it's just the favorite now. Yeah. So yeah, man. And then we got to New Orleans and you know, I didn't go out. I didn't do nothing. I'm like, nah, I ain't going out. I ain't partying,

damn in the weekend. I'm here to win a dunk contest because ever since a kid, that's what I wanted to do. You know, I've seen pops want a ring and all that, but it ain't nobody want a dunk contest. I'm like, nah, I went une as a kid, I broke my glass, the backboard, and you know, in my mom's crib outside, I broke the whole shout out the whole backboard and everything, trying to lower the room and dunk as a kid. So I'm replaying this in my mind as we pull up Aaron Gordon in the locker room,

h DeAndre Jordan locker room. Nobody stretched. We get out there and I'm the only one that's stretching. You know, I do some practice dunks. Nobody stretched, nobody did nothing. I still got that same mentality. I go out there. My first dunk was my best dunk. I stacked my cousin on top of somebody's shoulders, cleared them, and I scared. I feel like I scared the competition and gored messed up his dunks. I just do it, messed up they

ducks and I ended up winning. And I remember grabbing a trophy if I like, I blacked out as soon as I graduated everything I wanted in my life, my life as a kid blacked out as I grabbed. I don't remember nothing else that happened as I raised my head and uh, I grabbed a trophy, walked off and Meek Mill was on the left and I was blacked out. I just walked straight past him, and I think it was my mom one of my homies was like, hey, gee, that's me right there. And as a kid, you know,

high school, growing up, me was that guy. Like I was listening to all of me. That my god, you know, that's probably my favorite rapper. You're a dream chaser, man, what's crazy? I'm about the story. I ran back to him and shook his head. I'm like, I couldn't think of nothing. I'm still blacked at this point. I'm like, Jane Chases, Yeah, dream chasing, I see it, Melie. After that, though, it was crazy, I started me a bunch of different people. I started to come into my own like ice Cube said,

what's up at the garden? You know, all type of stuff when we started playing, So it was love after that. Then it's hard because, like you, I don't know what they're gonna do with the Duck contest. Hopefully they get this ship back because last year definitely wasn't it. It was good this year though, Mac did this thing, yeah, but the other ship was it was. It was good, bro, bro. That's why I'll be hitting them dunks. That that Mac

was on. That's what I was talking about a little bit about my course, them all them all secrets, them all a little you know what I'm saying. You've seen it in that gym. So I want to teach the youth, like give away some of them tips, Like if I told you, like, hey, this is the one thing I'm gonna give away free game. The Dunk coach when he came up to me, he was like, hey, g go between the legs. And I tried to do it between the legs, Dunk, I missed it. He was like, yo,

go up under the knee. It's the same thing. It's just an illusion. I went up under my knee. I started cockingmics back when I did it. I'm like, whoa, Yeah, it seeks to all of it. So that's just and I'm gonna get to the youngest out there. Fass. That's wild. But that makes sense though. So duncan under is the exact saying. I mean, it's gonna look whatever it's gonna look. Saying, really damn if you're doing it between the legs, Dune, Yeah, because most people between you're gonna try to go between

your legs and do all of this. It's like not just go up under your do a skip with with the dunk, go up under your knee and you'll get it. That makes weight. It makes a lot of sense when you just made it that simple. So it's a bunch of stuff that's really that simple. Damn you all know how two K got the whole layout where it's like, all right, you can do. Jordan's done, Blake Griffin's done. All that I could teach you. Jordan's done, Blake Griffin's done.

Anybody's duck. It's all. It's all just a simulation. You know. It's it's easy. So I'm excited to tee. That's being out through Harvard through Harbor. You heard the last part. It makes through Harvard. Yeah something you got tips and ship. I thought you had some drugs. My young boy the eighth grade. How much conscription? What we gotta do because I'm out in my head. She went to Harvard. She got a peep plug, tapty gonna get that bra that little bobby up he is closed, gonna take keep up

through the I'm about to take that. You got a new visiting. I'm about to work on shore. We're gonna put the podcast, hold to go back and home for two years getting my knees back. I think he's got cabbage. So you are stupid man. How is it? Uh? How has it been, I'm saying, training to getting back to get to game speed? Like, how has that been? Tapping

back in heavier to it? Like you said you was in school and that was your your undervided focus, especially with you having to baby taking care of that situation. How is it back now? You're feeling a little back into the game or did it ever leave or do you feel rejuvenated with it again? Yeah, it's it's it's funny because I gotta love hey, relationship for the game. I always have and since I've grown up, you know, it's it's what I do. But I got a passion

for a lot of other things. But I can only get to the other things through doing this, and that's what I do and as part of what I do, and I love hooking, you know. But it's at times where and I did, I took a step away. I handled what I had to handle when stuff was crazy, it was all over the place, you know. I got traded from on the plane. I got traded on the plane from the Warriors to feel it. Y'all know how I go. And after so long, seven eight years, I'm like,

whoa this is? This is a lot, you know what I'm saying. But I'm enjoying getting back to it and getting it to that routine because I think that's one thing about Hoopers is we got a routine where you know how it is. We wake up on the daily and it's like, all right, we get to it and I work in throughout the day and then you handle your business at the two three pm if you ain't

got a game. So that's it's been. It's been. I moved to Cali recently, Okay, so I got a gym right off the water, you know, right off the coast that I can go work out and I love the water, so I get to see the water every day. Is stuff. So it's been about it. You got a good dass trading facility. You are here in vacation mode. You know what, open the gym doors. And that's what people don't understand

a lot. And you can attest to this. It's not that people don't like doing their profession in sports whatever it is, but the business of sports is totally different than the outside person would ever understand like you said, you got traded on the team flight. That's just like me driving to work and mother telling me, yeah before you pull up, don't like that'll fuck your whole day up, like you gotta go, which I got forty eight hours to report and you might fuck around have to play. Yeah,

that shit crazy to a US two. And people don't understand how much they account that this thing all you get paid a lot of money. No, my whole life is changing. I gotta move my daughter across the nation. I got a fonswhere to live between practice, like you said, yeah, so let me come out here in my first game. I ain't in the rotation for two weeks. Real like that shit, I can understand like that way on people. People don't understand like that performance shit is real, like

you gotta perform. Yeah, yeah, No, it is what it is, you know. And I think it's I understand the fans side of it. I think it's just a lot of people gotta realize we're real people at the end of the day. So you know, I'm not with the whole like you know everybody when and a half they time to shine on the mic and talk crazy Stephen A. Smith. We don't get to him, but you know, everybody want to put the mic in front of the face and said crazy. I'm not that type of type of person.

You know, it is what it is. But I think fans should realize that we were human beings at the same time, so anything regards don't be tweeting crazy stuff. The DMS is, you know what I'm saying. I really didn't understand how crazy fans was until we got to the league. And you know, after the game they sent you some crazy they say anything anything, so they'd fan duels all they started coming around, they started betting, and

now it's really popular. You know, six seven years ago I first came to the league, they was on that. I'm like, man, now it's crazy with the whole bad and I can only imagine what they say by some people walking. They got started on a Bobby Porter's rebounds. Bro I got the most hate mail I ever got in my life. It was like a parlor. I don't even know how to go. But Bobby needed ten rebounds to everybody to win. So you know how Bobby got the little chance everybody Bobby. Yeah, that ship came from

that because nigga. He was about to win a parlor, so like he needed one more rebound, but was like took him out. They like Bob, Bobby, Bob. Everybody really yelling Bobby. So Bobby standing up like they with me. I'm like yeah, and I'm like, damn, they really love

this nigga. And then one of the things like they needs one more rebounds to you fucked it out and I'm like like what nah yeah nahe but like it was way earlier in the game and the rebound came to me, like Bobby was right there and I just grabbed it and like pushed the ball to court, and they was just like that could have been a fucking rebound. I could have won a thousand dollars. I'm like, yeah, I just got crazy. Yeah, they'd be going crazy now.

So hey, listen, I got beef with niggas to this day I've never met because they sucked up a partlaf But I ain't seen nobody that's out of pocket. B When I was in Minnesota, Bro, they was out of pocket. Yeah. That's the only time you got like admitted, Yeah, I got no love for Minnesota. You almost got some hate meal from me for that Cleveland steak game. Man, I would have gave oh yeah, yeah, I would have cared. You gotta have no flashback. But yeah, yeah that is now.

But Minnesota, Nah, bro, I got one ounce of love. I just got the type of Jeff t go on Twitter just half. I told you that shit is so funny. The Pacers picture of you hold your face on the bitch is tweeted every day by some patients. Personally, I was like, this, nigga, don't even be on Twitter and don't know how funny this is. Don't be on the crazy. I literally Minnesota was like the worst experience ever. I was swear the guy was already. I just cold, walk outside,

make a fucking shot. Shoot, get the shoot a bit like I would get the shoot. I got walking outside the warbest car. I was just like, I'll be mad as it's Cold's not crazy cold? Is hey? I'm getting gas turned watching drum be like, get Cat the ball, get the ball. It's crazy. Man's a fucking stupid wait. Until that, I was like, they gotta give me the fuck out of here. I'm nothing to you getting twenty three and get Cat the ball. But the guy you're

talking to and I lived downtown. So the worst Like I'm like yaally comes to the game, it ain't be empty. What was the best city or the worst city you lived in? I mean, I'm gonna keep saying saying France was, man, I had the time in my life and saying France not the worst. The worst city Detroit, you know, me being from Michigan a little bit better, but probably probably Sacramento, the Kings, Kings or Philly. Even my Pops was a little iffy on Philly both times. The Philly like here

we go again. That's how they don't like shit and Philly they don't like they you in the first quarter, they don't And that's when they love you. They love you. When they love you, they love you. Yeah, man, who they love beside when Brett Brown was there, man feeling for sure, Will, but everybody loves Will. They tough. They's tough love and Philly love. It's tough. It's it's just a it's just a hard city to playing. Like something about the organization. Some some teams got that organization to

where it's just some rocky about them. I don't know, Damn, that's crazy. I see, well, you know, I'm a Patrios fan. I don't know. Minnesota, it's just a Rocky likes. It's probably cooler. I don't know, because that was probably getting them there now, But before that it was a little spooky. Yeah he was there, you know, it's like they actually it's real cool people there. But it's just like some we built up high. Yeah, rookie year. So at least you had a little bit of that barely. And then

when we got that because Jimmy started complaining. Jimmy was like, take that down. Take that down that. I was like, this, dude, crazy, Damn, that's ugly. Take that down. Do y'all care about the players? Take this down? I'm like, damn, did you have you had the sleeve jerseys where you was in Minnesota? The NBA is nasty for that. I wanted one of them.

I thought, y'all fu with them. I mean, you ain't on we with no fit, but the certain teams that had, yeah, we ain't had them with ripping bran different and you got but you got in New Jersey now had the sleeves all that, this would have been disgusting. Over the shoulder. The lead is wild out because I remember the Louisville Ones. When they play, I said, all these are nasty. These are these are softball uniforms. That's when they started. They

had nigga v next they was out of pocket. That was, oh, that's nasty. So we got to get into it. Man, obvious. You know your pops is a legend. You know what

I'm saying. He had a particular Philly quote unquote a legend a little bit shook and speaking about how people get on microphones to talk crazy, I think that, even though it is hilarious, some of these niggas who had podcasts while they play and have to chill out for a second, the live updates after games be crazy because they be talking insane about games that we know really don't be matter. I fuck with it to a next but I'd like something that ship be like, all right, y'all,

like we got to chill out. Draymond should be funny because Draymond know how to do that shit. Pat Beb be hit or miss with me, even though I with Pat Beb. I think it all funny because I wish I would have did it, because I would have been talking crazy in Minnesota. What I always gonna ta. I would have been on there like you. This ship's awful over here. They all passed the fucking ball. You aren't

even do it respectfully. You would have been lit though, you would have been lit, but they would have got you. The fuck about it? Yeah, I would. I would have been You would have got traded like you. I traded like that bit. Where'd you find it? On the plane that? I was complained. I was coming to the coach to complaine, like, why the fuck you taking me out last night? He was like, perfect, I need to talk. We've been waiting. I'm like, I'm like frying, what up? Man? Why are

you taking me out last night? Man? Gonna see your t score. I scored eight in the quarter while you take me out. You scored your last eight here? Then don't walk in. He ain't like me from the beginning. He's like, yeah, you just got traded. I was like fuck. He's like, yeah, I did you a favor. I'm like, oh shit, I probably got to the maths. I'm about to go to the playoffs. Sent you back to Atlanta? What worse than that? I was like, why are you trade me there? He was like, you got a house, diret.

Don't you like it's motherfucker, that's crazy. It was like, cool, but that's crazy. Was this the same GM that got you there? I was gonna say, there's no way that could have happened in that year. God, my Minnesota when they Minnesota kept me, I told you about that. I was a rookie and it was a one time I was sick and I'm sick. I'm like, I ain't going to practice that. You know, you gotta go get a doctor. I'm on my way to the doctor because you got to get a real excuse, like he really sick. I'm

on the way to the doctor. Agent called me like, I think you're gonna get traded today. Don't go in. I might not want to go in. So I'm at the crib. I wasn't going in anyways. I'm sick. I start calling everybody like, yo, it's the one time I've been sick, the only time I'm a rookie. Na, y'all can't do me like this. They ended up dropping my bags off at the front at the front and garbage bags in front of my condo build. It just dropped it off and garbage maybe a different bro. It's a

brutal business and people don't understand. That's right, get as much money as you can get on and like you said, the relationships, you know what I'm saying, Like, look what happened when you were in Michigan. You build a relationships everywhere you go. You build a relationships with people to like you said, once you get in bat you gotta

stay here because you get out. It's a strategy behind it too, Like we talked about if you can go higher, you know what I'm saying, or trying to scale out to get you top ten or top of teen to team, because it really matter if you lottery pick that difference between if you're gonna that first four years or not. You could be weak. But the GM with much rather risk three years and almost being right, then wasting it after one year and being wrong, because then his ass

is getting the ax exactly. Yea man, so many wonderful sorts before we get out of here. We got we gotta here. Man, the iconic, the iconic story Man, the two one nine legend on stephen A's ass Man, Where where the fuck did this happen? From the man, It's it's a crazy story. I think it started from It's a coach with the Bucks. I forget who was the coach black? They had a black coach back then, and you know, my pops, I guess they got into it. My pops, I don't care if you black, white or whatever.

We don't agree. We don't agree. Stephen A. Smith found it different and thought that Pops, you know what was going at him because he's black. And we can do the research and see who the coach was. But that's it ain't none of my business. You know what I'm saying, got none to do with me. But as we get to the story, stephen A. Whatever happened between them happened. My pops called me one day like a son. You got a number of the TMZ from I. You know,

something happened. The article came by Stephen had just said, Stephen had just said something in the media, like I could find it for you. I made a couple of cars, you know, got on the number. I turned on the news TMZ Sports. It's like Big Dog asked to take Stephen A. Smith to the cage, to the USC cage in the rain. Hell the post got him TMC secretary. Oh wait, wait, he was gonna FaceTime. TMC called in. I don't care what he SAYD tell him me me in the cage. In the cage, yes, So I post

real about it. So next thing, I know, we have a game in Houston, and we played in Houston. I'm you know, I guard James Hard. I had a pretty good game, and uh it was you know, Stephen had noticed me afterwards, you know, and he didn't really know Glenn rops in the third. I don't know if it clicked with him throughout my whole five years in the league before that. So then he come up to me in the back after the game and he was like, he's, hey, Glenn,

you know whatever happened between me and your pops? You know, when I see him, I'm gonna tell him that I didn't mean it was old is old. We're getting older. He got a son that's trying to make it in the league, and I respect that you on your grind and trying to do that. And I'm looking at him like, hold on, this is the same Steven Ay that's been talking all this crazy at the all time. And I can't wait to call my pops after that. Like he just showed his card right here. That's exactly who he is.

You know what I'm saying, yeah, but yeah, I don't like to beat that that personally. He tried to start with players and how it's how it's brought about, and then whatever said it said, it's done and need to be done. But for some reason he just dragged the thing along with my pops. And it's like, man, even my pops say it was thirty years you know what I'm saying, Like, man, that was forever ago, and he still want to put my name in his mouth, but Pop shut it down. Then when he said the UFC,

he came and apologize quick. What's up with it? The fact that he had you called TMZ, that's top two. Fact that he FaceTime TNZ. I have never heard of, no interviews at all, No nothing, nobody heard from He stayed itself. You know what I'm saying. And he called me like you got the number that at all places to a brother. That's why I had me weig. I was stuck like Mark Spears, like he asked, nobody said TMC.

Pops will keep me around some messy motherfuckers because he know what time it is, he knows what blog is. Pop Man, we call it straight in. We gonna not beat around the bloom. I mean he's smart though he can't do ESP and they's gonna filter. He said, nah, who go get this message out? That motherfucker like hello, he was ready for it, man, he was. They let

him cussin on facetiwn with it. You ever think about how crazy how much like how many points show Pops at average in college, like playing in college, and you know, like that ship is Wow, it's even crazy my pops. So he didn't play his freshman year yea and Grace and then that he had me. I was born the next year, damn. So they had me at school and gen Katie off I probably said say this, Katie was like it was like, yo, your firstborn son got a scholarship to for too. I could have went, you know

what I'm saying, damn Matt. Yeah, so that player fucked up the bag. So y'all lost in the first one. But man, it was crazy. It is crazy to look back and see like everywhere I go, you know, out here in Indiana, people know Pop's name legend bro. And it's been always crazy for me to deal with as growing up being a third having the same name as him, and I used to hate it growing up. But you know, I hit a certain age al I was like, WHOA, this could actually help me, you know what I'm saying.

I started to really my pop's cool. Like I started to really see how cool my pops was. We do the same thing. I started to really take it for what it was worth. But I never like sometimes I go back and pop it. In his old games from Purdue, he dunked on greg osan tag. It's crazy to think about number one player in the you know, college basketball back then and a million and all of that stuff is It's crazy, bro, The average that many points in college is crazy. I don't know why that nigga always

just looks super big on and he is. Then my brother is because he's six nine like this, Yeah, my brothers six one and just like this, I just got my at his height. Yeah, yeah, it's a difference. I gotta ask you know what I'm saying. I know it's a little bit of an a subscripency, you know what I'm saying. Whence I get that one on one on or that that ever happened, I know what happened to.

Somebody asked me this the other day and they was like, Yo, when was the first time that you beat your pops one on one, and I was like, I think it was probably around middle school, and we would go out there in the summer with him for two weeks, and so we stripped him up. We in the gym and I beat it was a game point, and I'm running around the circles trying to get Pops tired. That's how I figured out I could beat him. I'm running around circles like tea but the baby fucking circus. So finally

I hit game. When it shot him, I ran out the gym and I never played him, saying I wouldn't. Yeah, man, I beat him. That was probably like eighth grade, and I never played him again. So I couldn't get him to eighth grade though. I mean, sure you got him a grade that's up. But still if we do a shooting competition like that, he is still he is still give me on one, like he still got his package. Nigga, that big bro moving like that. But he was really unguardable.

Swear to god, damn, that's crazy. Like you said, you got him in eighth grade. Have you got him in two k yet? Nah? Nah? He a legend ed in He really cold. Yeah, he played two K more than me and I played two K. You're ducking that smoke. I ain't never ducking ducking that smoke ducking, but his probably played two K. That's hard. And at that time I wasn't playing two K when I lived in the Linna and he was owning you won't play. I'm like, he got us our first PlayStation, man, my brother, and

that's how we've been. You know, either somebody go Xbox or PlayStation growing up, and then we went straight PlayStation. I never forget he walked in PlayStation. We could never be him. And that's how he just left it at that. You gotta keep some of your kids, like you know what you know, you gotta have some of your kids like, I don't care what you do. You're not gonna suck me in this. I don't think my dad grab me

and nothing like that. I don't put it up. You better than me at pools, better than me at pool. He's better than you at golf too, Bronig golf. But you went out there. You're right, I could be better than if I startin't wait till that day to come on the show. Crazy Oh many first and four bouts man, we gotta say congratulations on your graduation. Oh yeah, go ahead, take off, Like what's that when you made to the league.

What's that league moment for you? Like off the court, like we you know, everybody go out that first time. He'd be like, damn, I really in the league because that dude just spend fifty thousand dollars, you know what I mean. Y'all was in Minnesota, so y'all was young, So like, did y'all have a moment like that? Man? Well, first I was a moment. I think it was my fourth year and I was playing with the Pistons and

b G. Blake Griffin. Then I get to my rookie but BG, we was We all went out to the club, you know, everybody on the team. We was out when I forgot what game it was. We won, We're feeling good, and Blake like, yeah, come out, we're gonna go here.

So we all go. BG ain't never show up. So we all in the locker room the next day, everybody tying, they shoot like looking around and Nigga like, do he know, man, we ran up the bill so bad that day, lighting up, bottle lighting up, bottle lighting up, just go ball, coming down, full of money everything. Everything. I forgot where we was. Y'all was clowning. I forgot what we was. But we came back to Detroit and we was in practice the next day and we looked around in the locker room

and I was just looking at me. He said next to me, I'm looking at him like, and he looked like forgot looking at you know, you're talking. And everybody was like nothing, don't worry about it. Ain't nobody ever say nothing to him. It's probably the first time you gonna find out him dollar Bill was just him spade. Everything was on him. You know, you played with a good vent like that, come to the club. You know he had his card or whatever. Now in the whole situation,

that's fun. We didn't have to worry about nothing. I ain't get one of them. He gotta he got a unbelievable bag for that. Yeah, Mo Williams. Though, he used to give me his per diem every flight. He was second round, so he knew it. It was like and it was like a hundred, it was like one hundred and twenty five or whatever it was. But for him to give that to me every flight, I was like I'm like whoa like this per deem like whoa every flight and you know we're going to La Trips two

weeks too. It's like two man in a little bag. We get every time every flight, Williams shout to my Williams never get. He came to Baker's life and gave us fifty five man. Yeah, that's the team. Yes. I could not believe it. I was just like, what the fuck? Fifty five? It was random two, It was a week night picking. It was the craziest shit. I remember that video. He was and probably the last story I got for y'all. K D. I remember I got invited to the KD camp.

As in high school, you wanted to make it as a wing. So I'm like, I think I faced him and everybody was scared to guard him. And you see k D. He's seven foot, he's skinny as hell. I'm like, I can lock him up. You know, I'm nineteen. I'm like, man, I'm pushing him over because back that time, going into Michigan, I was like, man, KAD came out there and hit me with like a like a stiff arm lay up. Threw me back so bad. In high school, I was as a seer, I'm like, nah, it's grown man strength.

So I'm messaging him on Twitter and was like, yeah, I'm gonna see you in the league. And you know, I still got to tweet to this day, but he ended up to tweet me back on DM like I see you at the top, bro, And to that day, I matched up against him and with the Warriors, and he came at my neck three or four times straight. I'm like, Yo, that's probably the toughest matchup that I ever had. Was k D seven foot dribble shoot right over you and shit, you got you gotta braun, you

gotta said. He was that negative. He's just like everybody Christmas, Bro. I don't even feel no way, how was gonna happen? Who liked the least expected person that you was hard like you had to guard. Nobody would think like he really liked that. We know everybody in the league is good. Oh well, Luca, we know he liked that. Yeah. You know then Luca, a couple of years ago, we didn't know everything about his game. We just knew he was

coming from you know, overseas. Oh yeah, he started hitting with the slow to quick and you know some of them passed the ball and go cut off of it, some of the like euro League stuff. I was like, yo, he cold. It's hard to because he just looked like he ain't about to do some of that stuff. But shifty Aarona flollow my rookie year. Yes, they gassed me up to come into the game. I had. I hadn't got in the game like that yet. And I speak Flip Saunders had. He had just got sick, a Pete

flip and he had just got sick. And I think Sam sam Mitchell adventual the cover took over. He gave me my shot. He was saying, was crazy as hell. He used to make you do all type of drills fifty times, yelling at you. Yeah, I get in the game myself. And he was gassing me up all morning and fo hit three straight, three straight corner threes on me, fading away like Joe. You know, he he was cold. Used to hate on that nigga still he thought he was COVID man. He hit me with all that work

that day. I was like, yo, he really liked that b he was. He was like that time, so that probably that was probably the guy. I was like, yo, like all right, I know he was like that, I'm ahead, but he always averaged nineteen point six points a game no matter where he was at. I told you he used to hit on. I'm like, bro, he's really liked that. Bro, he could hold cooked me like that. Damn uh no the Colo what nigga that he cooked me one game?

He was for the Spurs, who was like I remember talking about he bore number twenty five and never forget he was number twenty five, And I thought this nigga was trash boy. He was terrible. It was going to work. What was this? It's probably like my fourth third or fourth fild was that la? He gave you work? I just didn't respect him like I was waiting for Tony Parker. I'm like, wow, and this nigga was killing It's my time. Yeah,

he was going to work. I seen you with some sneaky dunks, though, What was your probably favorite dunk that she what was going to because I always wanted I was running through d on somebody. Now my favorite dunk. I dunked on Ray Allen. It what happened? Yeah? I only like that because KG was just talking so bad to me, and when I dunked on him like bitch. Then I earbolt the game winner. KG followed me to the tunnel. Nigga, don't ever fu with the basketball guy

like shit, I'm trying to run. I try to run to the back of the tunnel like my fat y'all Joe, like everybody mad at me to you just hear KG sniggle said sniggah. Hey, Airing was so crazy. Figured out that man out the saddest sport wouldn't shit, don't the part respect you? And then we played him in the playoffs that year and he wouldn't say my name, like he wouldn't acknowledge me, like you know how you gonna shake Nigga's hand before the game. I'm like, yo, what up?

You know? Round though? Cool niggas. I want to go reach for him that niggas is sporting started pacing. I'm like, fuck you. So the first game I had a really good game and the media was like, yeah, the t guy, he was really getting in the lane, you know, penetrate. He's like who who? I don't know what you're talking about. That nigg gonna do me Like I fuck with ticket, Like why you're doing me like that? Who? And then when we played with much. He finally played with him.

He finally told me like, yeah, I focused your brotherly. Could I ever wanted to hear? Yeah, that nigga just like you, nigga. That nigga barked at me in the game. They got on all fours and bark, what's what we jump in the ball nigga? And he got like I was bringing the rock up, nigga, And it was like about the our horse was about to run up and set the screen. He just didn't follow out down and just a four start barking. I'm like, man, who is this nigga? Brow? First time I met him, he was

in the dark, complete dark, like the gym. It's yelling, same thing, just yelling, and they seen me. He's like dog. Because that's what caught my I've been waiting to talk to you. Man. You got chills first as a rookie say nothing because at that time it was on the news like y'all he's throwing rookie's phones and the toilet. So I asked the straight up, like yo, Me and Zach asked him like exact, Lavine were like yo, throwing

the phones in the toilets were cool? You know what I'm saying that's when he was back mentoring up there on that he was like helping with cats. That's crazy. Yeah, the kids, you luck you down this house. Yep. His last year, yep, I know that he was more like a pro officer. Yeah, damn crazy crazy, that's crazy. Man. We appreciate you sliding once again. Congratulations man, under graduation. Looking forward. So you get back on the court. Man,

I'm thinking this rehab popping absolutely, man. Just whatever you do, just don't go back to the pastures. Man. We want you to thrive. Man. Get away from the pass and get away from Minnesota. Man, you don't go to the crib man like that. I want the best option, always open, I keep it. Oh no, I'm something I don't forget. Always open. We'll see what happened, man, I'm excited to get back to it though. But show like share, subscribe, all that good ship. We'll see y'all next time.