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my left for sure. Got a teammate of mind a Georgia legend, Atlanta legend, talk about it, slam dunk champion, defensive player, should have been of the Year, but made All Defensive Team, Oak Hill Legend, Damn list goes on Atlanta legend. All that my dog Josh Smith to the pot. Want to do my dog for sure? Thanks for having me we have You know what I'm saying. I appreciate you sliding through on us before we get into the episode. You know what I'm saying. We gotta start off with

a fraud ask question. You know what I'm saying. That's how you get everything going. This is where your sponsor, this is where you can put your name with all these tequila balls, a little bit of do say you want to fuck with us? This is the time where you can get your ship right before we get started. But back to the question and business, honestly kind of

for both of you. But I'm gonna start with you know what I'm saying, y'all both was in the league, and y'all was in the league with the times, you know, it's a little bit more physical than this today. If it was one person in the league, you could have swung on who would you have pick? Like hands free hockey style, ain't no suspensions. Its got to the present box. Who was one motherfucker? I got onto your skin? You was just like I got a uper cup for him

out of the gate. Mh. Tough one. Yeah, that's a tough one. Who you? Who was? I know? I know who? I want to say For Jeff Case, I ain't want to nobody. I know you wanted to push I pushed Ruby, all right, Get that's my favorite Jeff clipp of all time. I cool, but that was it? Man smooth what smooth? Probably wanted to punch a coach and we can ask that questions. Probably everybody in the Grand coach, the town

Boys referees. He swinging on Towboys. Admit the hell for that, bron had us off the way I may, I appreciate you. You know what I'm saying. Slide through on a thirteen year vet. You know what I'm saying. We gotta start from the beginning, though, like what got you into even playing basketball? Like what was your origin with that? Somebody put the ball of your heads, you usually start working with it, for sure. My dad, you know, he was

a he was a hood legend back in Atlanta. He played for Being Hill back in the day and he played for the men's league and me growing up watching him play, admiring his game, and uh, that's what made That's what That's where I grew to love it. And then you know, once I was able to kind of get on the court, it was it was kind of like it was took off from there when I was like eleven years old. How Tad was you when he was eleven? Like did you catch a gross per? Later?

You was always you know saying, Hella more side and everybody else maybe, Like I think my biggest gross per was my finth grade year. Going in my ninth grade year, I was like five teen and I went to six to five. Damn. Yeah, that that summer, my knees was hurting. Shout out to the parents who had to feed you man, some shoes, everything closed. It was crazy. That's Athos. He was a spurt. Yeah, that's tough. What what year did

you join the Celtics? When I was fourteen? Fourteen years old, That's when Medwhite, Dwight Howard and Randolph Morris, that's when we came together. So y'all was the first three to get it going. That's was that was like the foundation of the team. Okay, and then you know, we had we had guards that that that came and left. But that was that was like for the most part, that was the team that kind of like that was the foundation of the team. Yeah. I always hear about your

oh three team. It was you, Randolph the White, Mike Mercer, Yeah, that was Mike, marand Rush. Now what would you damn would you compare, well, not really compare who would you take? Would you take that oh three Atlanta Celtics team or that uh oh three Okaill squad because you'll have some hitters who okay Rondo, Oh yeah, that's my best friend. Yeah, that's my best friend. So man, that's crazy Galley. We

won big time. What was Adidas AU Nationals back then? Yeah, that summer and then we won a national title when I went to Okill, Okay, So who was all on your Okill squad? Man? It was Casey Rivers. Yeah, went to Cleon right. Yeah. Yeah, he can shoot though, but he was our shooter. We had a guy named Brian Johnson. He it was he had. His story was sad because it was, you know, we played the whole season and doing layup line. He go out for a dunk, tears a cl and the lay up and then he kind

of had like knee problems throughout. Then got named day Shane Wright. Uh, Aaron came out the bench. We had we had a we had a we had a decent We had a good team. But the OKI team was probably I mean, I mean that Celtic team. Let's get let's get to the real talk about this debate around here and that we're just gonna keep it real. We got a team that's legendre we got we got this. It's Greg Josh McRoberts, the kan Cooked, Eric Gordon, Mike Conlin.

They said that team could beat your Celtics team. I don't think so, damn, Because I'm gonna tell you why you said Greg Olden right, who was the four brothers? He won to smoke with you anyway, but I wouldn't afford though three. So you got you gotta deal with Dwight Howard, Greg, Greg old and gotta deal with Dwhite. D White was more agile, He's more athletic. I think before gregt who like, think about it, think about the

White's crazy. Think about when you think about before Greg got hurt, what he was doing in the league, right, and think about before the White got hurt what he was doing was see what I'm saying. So it's like the athleticism, you know what I'm saying. Like he was killing he was killing Orlando to the finals. No, you know, we know they had the So the White wins a battle? Who got who you got for Randolph and John? I don't know if he winned like that in high school.

I think Greg was different. High school he was the White was number what they both was number one of the class. We can wash them. So what about let's go Josh Man Grobbers and Randolph. Josh was number one in his class. He was Randolph was so hold on so uh Josh and Greg? So who's the younger? Greg's younger? Greg would have got boned. Dog would have boned him a senior. The white dog. He was nasty. He was nasty. You cussing my one good time? Dog, it's over with,

It's game over. He dropped step and throwing elbows, dunking, trashing, blocking shots. Then, Bro, the Rando was playing kind of like a Tim Duncan too, Like Tim Duncan is more from this, more from this big you know, you know, no disrespect you know to Josh. Were from the South. Dog you know what I mean. We you know, we go, we go. We're gonna dog just because he the We're going, Yeah, we gonna try. You know what I'm saying. It is

like I got a friend. I got a friend that just moved from Portland to to Atlanta and uh one of my good friends. I met him when I was playing with Houston and and he's a white dude. His son is a thirteen like my son. And I'm like, looked out like you in the South. Now, Bro, they gonna see you, and they're gonna they're gonna like food and flat, flat, flat. They don't care. They could be average, but they gonna they gonna attack you. He's like, okay, okay,

like thinking it's just a game and talking. We get we get out there and they man, they ad him. Everybody. I'm like, come over here, and that's figure it out, you know what I'm saying, you know, figure out the way of life down here. You know, we can see what's going on. I got I got y'all. I don't I got y'all, but I swear to god, that motherfucker Josh McRoberts wasn't an issue. Yeah, it was sixteen. He was active seven. He was doing that bitch off the

glass he was putting. He was a number one player Nigga with Jerald Green and that old five class. So and then I mean, of course you but three. Yeah, but we got we we moved because everybody can move. It was damn near off. That front court is retarded easy. We had like a Cliff Clint Scale. He was our point guard from New York, but he was more so like get everybody in the in the floor, floor the things. And he was more scrappy from New York, so he mightn't have his way with him, he would have gave

him fist. As far as Michael Mike defensively, he would have probably just got got up under him. I'm not saying like as far as like he probably would have outscored him, because that's that wasn't his that wasn't his job. You know what I'm saying, y'all had too much going on. But that's what I'm saying. This is these niggas said vores creating, Oh yeah, creating then I'm sorry, I would get your name right. He was nasty. He was six four six five. Yeah, I played against the guard b

they was deep. Did rind him every round with y'all? No, No, we never have been cheating. It was we got Brandon Rush for a couple. They was hating on this. You can't have him played with but he was so sted about that one. But yeah, that was good because I didn't know. I didn't even know Mike Mercer played with y'all. I thought he always just played with the Georgia Stars with Lou Yeah, I got him, got him like the last year he was. He was younger than that, so

that helped him out. Though they helped him out big, though they put him on a different stage. I think he went he went to Georgia, Yep, he did. Yeah, but that's he's a good he's a good dude though. I still talk. Shout to Mike. He went to the US. It's hard, yeah, man, I don't know, man, AJ would have been tough to close game though. It would have been a close game. Eric's going. I think we were

probably different. It was. I think we would probably probably would have goten because you and the White It was like we was more defensive oriented too though, So just to see how y'all played defense in the league, I can't. Yeah, shot real bro, Yeah, I'm gonna give it to you. Ain't nobody driving on the No, No, it's a shout out to the Indie Heat team though. We're gonna rep that's a good team though, right yeah, ANBA players like, yeah,

what was you? We was going to be talking. I just told you you had one though, right NA was my team? Nah? Nah my year in the Heat to the Big Time final four. But yeah, probably that's a big broo. But you was killing. I was killed, That's what I'm saying. But feel frame I was killing. We ain't we ain't had nobody else brother. I mean, we ain't nobody else that went to like a big time college or not. Like then we was just a good team. So shit, you know, how did you get to Oak Hill?

Like what's that conversation? Like how was you recruited with that? Because I imagine what I'm saying. You're talking about your AU team in the city, like y'all had the hitters already down there? How was it for you to leave home? And you know what I'm saying, because now we're old enough to see how Oak Hill was Like then we're like a mini college, Like how was that for you mentally to get prepared to just like go on campus a hoop? Yeah? It was. It was good. I mean,

well it was. It was kind of funny like you know back in the day, you know, like the AU circuit with beef with the head coaches, but the high school teams, you know what I'm saying, Like they wouldn't talk to each other and stuff like that. There wasn't on the same page. And now it's different, you know what I'm saying. But in my right so so like so like I had like an old old white coach.

He was like an old fashioned coach when I went to Mikiten High School and uh yeah, I was on a He was like, man, you got to play on the block. But then I had just cracked the top five in the country in my in my in my in my class. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm like, shit, I can't. I'm not doing that, Like I might find just sit my ass on the block and be like hey, drop step prototypical big type shit like. And then I had a point guard who was younger. He was younger,

he was like a sophomore. So he'll just if you see pressure heat advancing the ball, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, you take the ship, you know what I'm saying. So I'm taking it like you know, I'm like i might break the playoff boom boom, but I'm scoring, you know what I'm saying. And I had another another dude on my team, more assaultment. He played in the league too. He played in the league too when the Rice University. Yeah, but he was a year ahead of me. He was

like a senior and I was a junior. And you know, the coach is doing all kind of just jankie stuff like like I would I would, I would like go in the weight room. But I'd be finessing the wait wait room coach like you know what I'm saying. Because that was like the football team, so they like squats, bitch press, maxing out dead lips, you know what I'm saying. So like when I'm going in like so so like early on in the in the year, like what would

be good? It was like he would pull me out and show me like, hey man, I don't want you shooting no more threes like you shooting me like the three soth'ing like like you know what I'm saying, Like this part of my game, I'm trying to like talk to him about like what's going on. He's like, man. So then like after a while, I just try to Like i'd be like, hey man, coach Westfield want me. Like whenever we go get doing it like the squads and stuff like that, a coach is like, hey man,

coach Westfield want me. So I go in there and I used to go back there to the back by the locker room so he wouldn't be back there. So I like be back there behind his desk and shit like I put so I pulled up, so I pulled like a little fire like a cabinet out. So it's like long ass like with my like mail in there, with like letters of colleges, damn with my name on it, you know what I'm saying. So like he would not

you wouldn't give he wouldn't give me my man. And it was like you can name, you can name the college they was in there, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, I'm like, damn, like they already sending it to my house. Somebody, Why the why the hell you ain't why the hell you ain't give him a damn man? You had a bad relationship, Like I mean, because we didn't have a bad relationship, because the only reason why we had a bad relationship because he wanted

me to do something that I wasn't. I wasn't I wasn't gonna jeopardize my future right to make for his his traditional needs. That's we understand what I'm saying. Like I'm not gonna say like we had a bad relationship. We just didn't see. We didn't see we weren't on the same page, you know what I'm saying. So it got to the point where like I didn't I never

questioned him about it. You know what I'm saying, because I was like, like you you know I it is back in the day, like when when when you saw that after Like they're gonna call your parents, they're gonna blow your phone up, they're gonna send they're gonna find out what your address is, they gonna send you letters. Probably even to this day they probably do the same thing when it comes to recruiting. But we had a

we had a conversation one day. He was like Josh him telling you if you if if you shoot one three, I'm gonna sit you down. And we had we had just beat Willer, Like Willer was like our competence, like our main competition, and they was number one in the state. We just upset of them, the uh powerhouse. You know what I'm saying. Down there, yeah, down there in Atlanta, they got the number one player in the nextion. I said, I call you yea. So they say to this day

continue that tradition. So we we just beat them. So we're playing a bad like a bad team in our in our in our in our region, and uh, I shoot a three pulled me out, you know what I'm saying, yea. So like I'm pissed. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm hot dog like. So I'm just sitting on the I'm sitting on the bench and uh and and and uh he taks, takes uh more assaultment out right. So he's like, someone's like, man, coach, you gotta put his back in. You gotta put one of us back in.

You gotta put his back in. I said, I said don't. I said, don't. Don't tell him nothing. He can't coach anywhere. Oh So, like he was like, so he face got raised waiting that. I was like, all right, cool, you know what I'm saying. So I get up sit on in the bench. Know I'm sitting I'm just watching the games. It's like they started about to lose, you know what I'm saying. So he put me back in and he was like, uh, we we end up winning. So we

get we're in, we're in the locker room. He was like, if you ever if you ever talk to me like that again, you'll never put on the kitchen I saw. I just explode it. You know what I'm saying. It's like that, fuck this school. I can't. I'm like, you know, like back in the day, like you know when you start, man, you did like you had this jersey. You know what I'm saying. So I'm like, when I get out of the locker room, my dad see me crying and shit, you know what I'm saying. So my dad was like,

what that what's going on? I was like, man, I saw I tell him what's going on? And uh we we both dried. He drive me to the to the campus and he sit there and have a conversation. I don't know we I come in and then they have a conversation. I leave and he have enohing. He talked to him for a little bit, but then after a while he was just like he came out. He was like, don't say nothing else. You know what I'm saying. Just finished the season, not strong, and I'm gonna find you

somewhere else to go, you know what I'm saying. So that's all right. He called my uh you coach Resting Peace, Uh, Coach Prather he called him and coach pratheror called Steve Smith. Was like he put my dad on the phone. My dad was like, hey, man, I got a player for you. So uh so he was like, oh, uh, you know, what's the player's name? So he told told him my name. He was like, oh, I ain't never heard of him. He said, you're a damn lie. You know you heard

Josh just like you know. It kind of checked him a little bit, like, let's just bring your ass up to Bob Gibbons, you know what I'm saying, so you'll see him for the first time. So he, uh, he came to Bob Gibbers and he was like, all right, cool shit, Yeah, yea. I wanted y'all want him. So that's that's how I got up there. But when I got up there, we we was driving. I had missed probably like two weeks of my my senior year already because it started like in September, and in Atlanta you

started you started August, like early August. You started schooling August. So I get up there and I'm smelling like skunk. I'm driving with my dad. I'm like, man, what the hell is that smell? Like shit? What is that smell? Day like that skunk? Son from the country down there in Georgia. I turn this around, turn this thing around, man, get me out of here. Man. He was like, he was like, nah, man, you can't. You can't go back. You gotta. It's like, shit, it's over with you gotta

just this was school you're going too. So I was like I just like shit, I had to get mentally focused. I'm like, man, I'm gonna be up here for the for like seven months without seeing my my my siblings and my mom and dad and stuff like that. So that's it was. It was good for my progression for what I was doing for I had my mind set out to do. And that's crazy because like obviously, if you don't know where Okill is, you can tell him it's nothing where Okill is. But Okaill facts the middle

of the middle of nowhere. Probably the the mall we used to get dressed up for. It was Winston sailing down there to wait for it. Our best girl on Dog and go down there and dog. It's about an hour and a half away, about an hour and a half, Like you said, it's mouth of Wilston Virgains, the middle

of nowhere. But if you I mean, but if you want to like get your child mentally focused and block out all this uh, all this internet, Instagram fame stuff, that's still the probably the best school to take them to. Like you know, you still got even I went to you know, because my kids are young, I mean the older now, so I do a little. I've been troughing the air stuff. And one of my younger kids play football too, at a high level. He plays on the

Battle Circuit. So their national championship down there in Florida, so they had had a tournament, and I amg and I'm like, man, it's a mega campus. But it's like you can get super distracted too, you know what I'm saying.

I can see where it could be a distraction. So I'm like, man, oh, kid, Like, if you really want to lock in and and really like you know what I'm saying, I'm telling you, and you want to get your kids to like a mature level state of mind, that that's that's a really good school, especially now that you know what I'm saying. You got the nil money coming in, boys getting paid you obviously coming straight out of our school. We don't get to that shortly. But

how you feel about that? Like you know what I'm saying. I'm sure you have some parks to being a top player, but like now you can make seven meals as a sophomore. That shit crazy. I mean, it's like I think We were talking about that before the podcast, not about the nil stuff about but by how people can finesse their rankings, by the way they can manipulate social media, you know

what I'm saying. So it's like there's plenty of times where a kid or a parent or somebody I know it be like a man this kids wants to play for a team, and he sends me a couple of clips of the kid making shots and then I see him and he's trash. You know what I'm saying, Like, no disrespect to the no disrespect to the you know you know what I'm no dispect to the you know what I'm saying to the kids that I've seen, But it's really the disrespect to the to the people that

sent me some of those videos. Now I'm not gonna say all of them, you know what I'm saying, are are not good. But it's like now I'm at a point where I like, I don't want to see no more videos, you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't want to see no more videos of nobody, like let me see what he looked like on the five on five said yeah, and its it's like nowadays, these kids can can pump fake you and and it's like I'm I'm older now, so like I'm like, damn, I see

how these gems can get fucking food. You know what I'm saying, They can get tricked because I literally got two kids. I mean, like I like on I got I got like some I got kids and like on my teams, and it's it's some kids that can work out. Like as far as the workout cones and stuff, they would kill it, kill it, kill it, make the shots and you know what I'm saying. And I got a kid that might look look like some trash and that shit. But when when they played five on five, he wears

they would wear that shit out. You know what I'm saying, They would wear the cone, Nigga, they would wear the cone kid out all day long. That's a good segment because a segue because you for show wasn't no man, no man, look man, Josh should just kick my ass in the Lena. He kicked my ass when it came to like the shooting and the man and man was going not for ten ten fen I was like six foot ten seven ften like you know, but that's that was one of the main reasons why he got picked

six and I got picked seventeen. But because but when we were playing two on two, I dominated it. But it was as far as like shooting and dribbling skills. I didn't have no nigga, i't had no trainers help him. Like you know, it was probably like a six month, six month thing with John Lucas. He was trying to help me a little bit, trying to see if that if that fuck asks high school coach wouldn't let you cook.

That's That's what I'd be saying to about like we have that problem here, bro like where kids are forced to motherfucker be alonzo morning and I feel like coaches only coached for the moment. They don't coach for these kids future they want. I mean, your coach was just like he's trying to win right now boxing not thinking like this, nigga, Jay are really a small four. Let him dumple that bitch between the legs and go out of bands. It's my best player, you know what I mean.

I think you gotta let kids play through mistakes because a lot of these kids motherfucker's that we know. I ain't gonna say nobody name, but my motherfucker's six four centers. Yeah,

that's crazy. And then when they get to college, they get a route awakening in this a motherfucker six twelve really gotta you gotta play the one now, it's shit spooky, y'all left hand this gug now, y'all mama and them they mad they sent you to this big school when y'all ass should have went to motherfucking I just I

don't know about that ship. Just be having me so mad man, when these kids get gassed, and it just goes back to what you were saying, how you can finesse with my fuck on the really mixtape board because we got some people here where I'll be like, man, he ain't like that. I ain't gonna see a lot too. I'm mean no, like, just like these these these colleges, they have all these young kids and they're losing. You got all these McDonald's all Americans, how to like, dog

that shit's not supposed to happen. I don't give a damn that young enough bro talking about it, y'all are y'all are McDonald's all Americans? Bro? That's the pressure behind that having that tag on you. You got to produce at the next level, especially if you were a number one player in the nation, you're supposed to be trashing that ship because I know Kevin Durant did it. That's a fact, Michael Beasley did. They trashed college college basketball like when they came into when they came into it.

This ship might have stopped Anthony Davis. But you know, you gotta thinking about Anthony Davis played with two years though right I thought he played. I'm thinking about somebody else freshman is that coming in and dominated? Zion dominated her? He did? That was both assisted. Nah, I didn't either. He shot. He shot every time he did, but twenty that's djoo get it? Why we do for it? I mean what we're talking about Pike nigga, he's supposed to bastball.

You're right, though, bro, I just I don't really know what the disconnect is. I don't know if it is it because the nil M how much money you think you would have got coming out of high school, coming especially in the Hoak Hill. First of all, I want my parents are Christian, so I wouldn't even had no social media. Damn, you know what I'm saying. I probably still then get I don't know I have no idea. They probably would have had to. I probably would have

had somebody running my Instagram. If my parents would have knew, I would have got a lot that much. I probably wouldn't have seen the Instagram. But as long as you see that check though, man, probably about like you said, a seven, yeah, I was three class and like y'all were so famous. Yea, I was famous. But I think Zion was the first one to crack the internet when it came to high school players being famous. Yea, yeah, because he had your followers. He said, he had the

perfect marriage. He had the elite footage with the Elite game exactly. He was one of the few who had that crazy light. He was still record shit and when you've seen it, he was still doing it in real

life easy, still doing it crazy. But y'all was like that though, Yeah, like the shit I seen you do, man, like they had internet like that, Man, we can't you can't even the highlight chase you you see it though, Like it's like exactly, we used to watch blurry right quality, so like you gotta see Okay mixtape, so blurry dog. I'm like, damn dog. But the shit y'all was doing if they would have had that on video like they do now. Yeah, man, I've seen one with Rondo caught one.

He threw Rondo the lib he dunked it like they was well, was clowning. Okay, man, because Lou Williams shit is retarded. Georgia take yeah, the guy when he had against Manta Ellis, that was that was elude too. She would have had that on film. Man, man, come special. But you know what I'm saying, You do your thinking, Okay, obviously you know what I'm saying. It's time to start thinking about post high school. You know what I'm saying. You know it's it's a school in Indiana that you

know what I'm saying. We thought you was going to see. You know what I'm saying. How did that go? You know what I'm saying, legendary? I used stories. That was the only school I visited. Damn uh uh. I think when that was. That was when I met Mike Davis. It was so like I was going to Georgia but with Jim Herritt. But then that thing happened with Cole when he when he told about the basketball, he was he was the one messing up. He was the one messing up at at school and and they was taking

care of his mama's bills and a that stuff. And then and then you do that now now now now talk about Charleston before. He might have been the first one because he fucked up a lot. But I'm telling you who did He did brouh and he really he really fucked up the Georgia basketball everything ever done it. Look it's trash. Yeah, it's bad right now. It might be rebuilding hopefully with this new coach that we had, but who know, Like that's what I'm saying. But I

was able to try to convince him to go there. Yeah, yeah, he was. Yeah, he was one of my one of my young kids. When I met him at the That's Hard at the top one hundred camp. You know, he was he was staying with me for like a couple of weeks, uh, senior in high school, that's all that's you know, I was mentoring for a little bit. And then you know I kind of threw that Georgia in his ear because he was committed to Florida State. Sorry Florida State fans. You know I was, you know, I

wanted to be He was a trouble laser. You know when the Georgia was another one pick that's that's that's crazy. That's his man. So he's been he's been real, real one. Yeah, real man. I understood. Gotta be was crazy. I was thinking that because when I met you, all you talked about was Georgia, Georgia, football, Georgia, everything. And I'm like, hell, was he going to Indiana? Yeah? Because but then but then, you know, that's what happened. So I left it. I

left it all open. So everybody started coming to my schools, I mean to my school, uh my junior year. Everybody, like all the head coaches from each school was coming. And then Mike Davis came, and I just you know what I'm saying. I was like, Okay, I'm rocking with this ar that nice bag. My dad was My dad was the bad was coming anyway. That's you know what I'm saying, So talk about it. I don't like my dad was just sitting like you can go to whatever I got recruited about. I know how they got all

they get foosers shout to Cavin Simpson. No, but facts, see that's that's the only good thing about nil. You. I don't know that's the only good thing that but but but it was nothing like that. Brown paper bags have been nice too, because y'all, y'all would have had Robert BADJ, Ratliff, Bracy Right he was then who was

the DJ White. I just find out recently on the Hands podcast that Bracey Right was supposed to go to Duke instead of JJ, like they was gonna they was recruiting him over like whoever committed first is gonna go. I thought she was crazy. I didn't know that. But yeah, had that squad, it was gonna be life. It was gonna change with you, bro. They needed that, see, and that's why I never I never fucked with Like I said, I've been following you for a minute though, but I

never fucked fuck. Are you produe all that shit a school? I was like, damn, they about to get a nick because but my h but this this is how I went though. I called my daddy, was like January. Yeah, I remember this day like it was yesterday. I was called. I called my dad. I was super excited. I just uh past my act. So I'm calling with like super excitement Dad, man, I qualified, Man, I get to go

to college. You know what I'm saying, like I'm excited, you know what I'm saying, Because I had I had took my final visits already and like November or something like it was, I had midnight madness. I had went there and we had all we was all there and Jeff Newton shout out to Jeff Newton and uh A. J Moyer was there, shout out him too. He was. They took campus, they took us around campus and stuff like that. And then I was like, man, I said. I was like, man, we uh said, said I'm going

in the end. The next year, We're going in the end. He was like, man, congratulations son. You know. He was like, but you know you projected to go uh one through twenty he said, we ain't going in tell you like, so you know, get that get that mindset out of your mind, and you know, lift lift you some more weights, lift you most, lift you some more weights. Stop bullishing in the weight bro. He was like. So he was like, you know, he was like, you know, it's trying to

be trying to be grown man. Shit. So I was like, I said, damn, I said, uh. I said, okay, he said, yeah, you see all them shoes you've been getting them, reboxing them, d the shoes and made them. Yeah. Yeah, they on the line. So shit, don't be bullised, don't suck it up, you know what I'm saying. So I was like, yeah, alright, alright, alright, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like like, damn, you know what I mean, because I'm like in my mind, I'm like, I get shit. I can't can't be no

kid no more. I got a lock in. Yeah, So I was like, you know, I was, I was. I wanted to go you know what I'm saying. I did want it to go. Fuck, But you know, my ship, you know, we was, we didn't. It was unfortunate growing up. We didn't have no money. Man. Both my parents are in foreclosure, bankruptcy, you know what I'm saying. So all that was going on, it was nothing that they get they could get us to really get out the whole with I had to be the one, you know what

I'm saying. So it's a blessing though, Yeah, absolutely, man. I mean, I thank God every day and we gonna talk about you know what, I'm see your draft process stuff is like I mean, for both of y'all know what I'm saying comfort situations to where you know you're young, you're rich, and your family looking at you like shit, what's up with it? That's a different type of pressure that people don't understand. Like people think, oh, young you this your life is great. Nah, I'm young, but I'm

an opportunity. So like now everything you do is super empiphied and especially you know what I'm saying, coming straight out of high school, a lot of people don't do that shit. So you had to go through that process squeaky clean, Like how was your process? You know what I'm saying, because I know even with bro like they interview people from back crib crib like background checks at seeing what you did when you was eight years old, with you eight when you was in second grade, Like

how was your process? Like all right, cool, it's a business now and now you gotta go work out against professionals every day, Like how is that mindset switching? How was your drive process? Because you know what I'm saying, you had a good you know what I'm saying, you went first round and you went to the crib, Like how was all that for you mentally prepared to be to go play at the crib. I mean a shout

out to my parents. You know what I'm saying. I mean they're you know what i mean, Like now that you see and you're a part of the air. You circle now, so you see how these kids can get you can get messed up. It's their parents. Yeah, So you know, I don't care about it. I don't care about how talented the kid is. I recruit the parent, you know, I first see how talented the kid is. I see then I see the parent, and then I want to engage with the parenting. And I'm like, okay,

I can I can rock with the parent. H And then you know, like most most people like to see uh stability, uh stability, you know what I'm saying. They'd like to see households with stable with with like you know, my man dad, you know what I'm saying. And and and if it's not like that, they like to see great co parenting, you know what I'm saying. So when it's not, when it's a little off balanced right there, then uh, that's where the disconnect's going to come in.

When that that that that those are little things that that that why kids you know, don't make it. You know what I'm saying some some some people don't make it, you know. And uh, you know my dad taking talking to me every day about what what what was going on and what I need to get my mind ready for, uh coming into the league as a as a kid, uh playing against grown man you know man. So I mean you never know, as you never know what you're what you what you're gonna face until you get there,

you know what I'm saying. Like shit, you you you know you're confident, you're ready. Uh, just like shit Like Jeff, it was like I remember yesterday we was in the playoff game or it was it might have been a year after the playoffs, and uh, this is when he was like taking a role up the starting point guard and he was cooking the ass. He was like he was cooking it in the first first half and he was talking shit like how mother fucks game fuck with me?

Like you know what I'm saying. Like he like so they was like they look like who you know they look they're always looking at somebody like that when you because they wanted to check you. You You know what I'm saying. That was the Selton team that was the one that was gonna talk trash to you and look at you, look down on you. But it was what it was. You know, you had to pay how much to the

to those Hall of famers. But you know, you gotta have a sense of you gotta have an attitude of a pride and confidence when you make it to that level, like because you know, once you get on that stage, and there was so many people that that had that that that played basketball. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. And gud and guy gave you the opportunity to be that challenging and then bless you with by selecting you as some of the few that that that could be

able to put one of those jerseys on. And what's crazy, Like you said, you know what I'm saying, you've been a high school phenom. Nowadays, you see so many high school phenoms drink the cool like way before they ready. Yeah, and then that's what you're seeing. These kids. They're making money young, but they're fizzling out young. They ain't even getting a chance of getting the lead, getting rotation to realize all right, you know at some point you do

how to play. Yeah, that's because that's because like you said, some of these kids are getting influenced in these these parents. It's like that, Uh, what's that? What's that? What you're talking about? Will? It's the little kids? What's that? What's the Garrett Cole like he started off young, the parents blew the bag, you know, he grown up and then having the money, you know what I'm saying. So that's

like that's can of that? Can that can scary? Scary be the case for some of the some of these kids nowadays with these n IL deals and then they're getting these they're getting this money. And once you get the money, you get access to a lot of other things, you know what I'm saying about it. And you know that, right and you you we all know that, right. So once you get access to to to to to somebody, you know, everything opens up for you in your life. And then who's gonna tell you what to do when

when when you're the one it's the bread winner. Fact, you have to kind of create, you have to kind of keep that that that mental blockage of of of having that tunnel vision on still wanting to make it to the NBA, because man, seven million is a lot of money, man, you know what I'm saying. So if a if a kid. I you know, I commended We haven't seen it yet, but I commend a kid that is that is making that type of money and and uh and still uh makes it to the NFL or NBA. Yeah,

I want to see it. I want to see the event. Grab a hold of you. Once you got drafted, and you know what I'm saying, you now the bread winner of the family and shit. So it's kind of you can't take financial advice from no disrespect yea, rather seeking from somebody else who's you know what I mean, been through it, maybe a couple of years, was it? Anybody on the team. Once you got there, absolutely absolutely come here.

Let me walker. That's the best to learn from. What I'm saying is I say it's the best to learn from because somebody that shiited on millions of mills of dollars and tell you what not to do, but tell you about hearing what I tell him what I do because because when I met yeah, he showed me ten thousand city. So I'm like, day, that's a lot of But I was trying to show them nigga some loves not. He a good dude though, Yeah, one of the best. Yeah,

he he took me on this wing. It was funny man, because he never showed me the he The only place he took me to was was Magic City, but that was it. But it was like, uh, he never brought anything around me as far as like, no female never threw me because they knew I was young. You know what I'm saying. I was. It was people in the organization that was trying to introduce me to their daughters. Wow, you know what I'm saying. Because I was young. You know what I'm saying. I was a teenager. I was

still you know what I'm saying. So they was really like, you know, you know, they were trying to turn turn them up, to turn them. But so you know, but I always kept everything professional when it came to to basketball because I ain't you know what it was. So it's so many other other ways to do things. You didn't have to. You don't have to, you know what I'm saying, Like, you didn't have to get that thirsty. You know what I'm saying. Who was the gym when

you got drafted? It was Billy Knight. You want us something crazy? Billy Knight daughter went to our high school, listened with Indiana Damn probably gett out of the head bands and nikes. Yeah, so I'm pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, silly, yeah yeah, so generational wealth. Yeah, that's funny. But yeah, that was it. That was that was it. That was one of them. But he was the one who kind of changed the game of basketball too. He was the one that kept drafting six players, kept drafting six eight.

But it's like, you know, he drafted, he drafted Josh Churches, then me, then he drafted, uh, Marvin Williams, then he drafted Sheldon Williams, then he drafted he drafted the shelldo Win was like six, but I was. But you know, you know, he didn't draft Chris Paul because he was like Chris Paul was, wasn't taught, wasn't bigger than his wife's real ship. So did But then he started taking though, and that's when it was on the line. So that's when he started trying to find people. He was trying

to find I think he tried to he drafted a law. Yeah, he was just trying. He was trying. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but it was too little, too late, because you like you're gonna drop, you drag the shielding and then you know what I'm saying he went went I think at that, but then they had kind of fiddle with him out and it was rick Son. Yeah. It was the right thing really though. He really had the vision for basketball today. Yeah, he do talk about it if he do. The teams

that he has, he's a visionary. He's a visionary for sure, the teams that he's Yeah, because he was right, we switched everything like that's that's how he played defense. That's why they has That's why it was sucking that hated me. I was too short maybe like switch switching everything. Though I ain't hate him out, like ship, come on with it. Yeah, I used to big for a point guard. I was like, man,

I was like, man, we can't get christ Paul. I love Marvin to death, but I'm like, man, I need a lot of us something, man, a little lot of two, you know, man, because I was I used to run the wing. Marvin would getting up on the break. No, you know, mar marble gon kid, you shoot do his little you know he gonna court get your little court mcgetty action. I need to get him a file, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, you know what I mean. So knock some shots down, but man, Chris, Chris Paul

was ready. Man. That's a generational that's a generational player. He was ready to rondo. Yeah yeah, I was missing and I had to break players off with I would have turned your bag up to I'm telling you it would have because you would have made it so easy. It made it easy when you got baby thought but he was older. I had about defense. That was we that. He was like, hey man, goddamn baby, a little bit play a little bit of something. You know. We played cards, gambling,

talking ship to each other like tint. The conversations you were like, man, damn baby, damn. You know I still talk today like like like baby baby, hey man, listen, man, they didn't bring me here to wild y'all with my motherfucking defense. They brought me here to shoot that thing. He said, Josh, get my back, Say Josh, you going around to get my back? Crying. He one of the best I ever knew. Man. He's leg leg legend nigga. Always big. Starting when he retired, he started getting big

body push ups all day. He used to do the little twist perfect when they first came in from Marcial Swack, We love Mike Baby with him. I want to take it back though, definitely. So on your draft process, like how many teams did you work out for? Man? Probably like twelve, twelve thirteen. I was. I was trying to catch the fabe with everybody. Man. I was because I was younger and I just wanted to show I want

to I want to work out with anybody. You know what I'm saying, anybody, I'll think that's in front of me, come on with it. But you know, lou All dang played the smart world. He he was already like a lot top eight or nine a lot. So he he was working out that dude. He was like, y'all can come catch me a dude like Tea. He was working up with nobody. Yeah, He's like, I'm not working out with nobody, y'all. Just then he only he only did

one year a dude. Yeah, So he did that. And then I worked out with Josh Cheers maybe twice with the front. I wouldn't within it in Atlanta, and then DC. I caught him in DC. I worked out they had a better workout with him. DC didn't. He didn't want to. He didn't work out with me no more. And then uh I had him and Eagle Dollar in in DC, Iggy and then I was supposed to work out with Iggy in Philadelphia and he can't. They canceled, So I was I worked out with somebody else, like a second

round draft pick. We know why they canceled because we know don't know who they took right there. Yeah, and then we uh yeah, then we worked out. Then we was with I think Clippers, bobcats R. Yeah, it was. It was. I worked out for a couple of teams. Yeah, Seattle, I wanted to seattle't work out, was get any guarantees, like uh, because I got a guarantee at seventeen And when they ain't called my name, I was sick. Didn't I was sick when they called my name was because

I didn't get no guarantees. They was like they told me. They was like look, it was like shit. It was like between Josh Child just Low there was like Josh Shild just who they said, Josh Child, just Eagle Dollar. Me was gonna slip. So like I ain't. I hadn't worked out for like Miami them teams like past seventeen with the workout for him. Yeah. So so when I started seeing my like it was following the line. Boom

the Picks was following the line. Then we called the Atlanta's like, now we ain't He's not what we're looking for. A sea So they picked Josh. Yeah. So I'm like, I'm thinking they gonna pick Eagle Dollar. Yeah. So when they picked Josh, I'm like the fuck. So I'm like, oh, man, so did my heart drop? Oh? I'm like, shit, it's me. I'm gonna beat the i'mna be the one. So I've been there, I've been there. I'm in the green room

just sitting there, Joe. You know what I'm saying. You know, like you get seventeen, pick, it's a it's a long, it's a long. It's a long. Ways like you feel like you're there being for like four hours. Yeah. So I'm sitting in there and the seventeen come up. It's the Hawks. They say, they say they gonna pick me. I said, man, tell them, tell them. I don't want to go there because Miammi Miami was like Minay was like, nah, he's not going past this, He's not going past this number.

We're picking him. You know what I'm saying, Like Miami Heat was saying this. It was eighteen. One of those. There was a nineteen I think nineteenth because I think New Orleans was eighteen, and they picked JR. Smith Okay Sow and I was like, I was like, uh. I was like, shit, tell no pickney, Tell no pickney because the money was saying at that point. I was like, telling no pickney. So they was like, man, they gonna

pick your Josh. So if you see my if you see me, see my thing, I'm walking up there and don't find mad as hell. You know what I'm saying. I'm man, I ain't smiling nothing. I'm I'm out there. Man, I'm like, shake his hand, but will take the picture. I smiled the picture. But see you mom a nigga man nah, but it ain't like this nigga would have got drafted to the patients. He would have been jumping

for fucking joy, right man. See I was. But then I had to I had to think about the the perks of it, because you got to think about it when you when you were growing up in the household, you gotta go to church three times, like you know what I'm saying. Like, you go to church every Sunday, you got a Bible study with you with your with your with your siblings and your mom and daddy. Then then your mama trying to trying to about the whoop you to go to choir. She's trying to get you

to go to choir. Maria six six, I'm like, you gotta whoop me, MoMA? Ever be that thing with the six sixty six nine? Everybody, everybody, everybody but elbows. I gotta fight like I'm kiching the Holy Ghost. Stop playing with the lad I'm not playing with the little man they were playing. I would try to. I would try to see what it felt like. I ain't never feeling I have you. You know what followed off church like,

oh here you go, drummer too. I think I felt it on the drums sitting I'm just thinking about you in church six now with the tambarine is crazy doing that. I'm the one sitting down laughing. Yeah, I'm the one laughing. That's hilarious. That's good. I always tell people as much of a heathen as I am today, talk about it, truck I am. I'm a true heath and my past. They try to teach me well, but I want to gainst the ground. I still love the Lord were still homeless.

But I'm saying, Church, teach you structure, bro. It does it? Really does? I know that plays a lot into how you are. Yeah, facts, I mean that's funny, that's you know what I'm saying. You get it cracking in the Lanta first year, all start weekend. You know what I'm saying to your thing? How was that first experience? What I'm saying, we got to you say you all start

to you know saying you was in the game. You know what I say, you did one of the hardest things to do in the dunk contest of everybody looking at you. How was that like, especially your first year in the league? Like all lives on use in the stage. Man, I was in h was in Denver. Shout out to Denver. It was a good it was. It was a good That was a good experience, man. Just overall. I was.

I was nineteen, just turned nineteen. My birthday was in December, so boom, you got February right, February was all Star. So I just turned nineteen, and my my main thing was just don't fuck your dunks up, you know what I'm saying. Like I had a routine, I had four dunks. You know what I'm saying, I ain't have nothing after that. You know, I would have been doing some some bullshit if they asked me to go back up there for a time, So damn I had. I was like, I

would do these four dunks. Uh the who was the strength and condition to coach Pete Rudula Vick and Wily Blaze at the time, it was the head training. They gave me the idea of the jersey which which which was a trendsetter. Kind of sick trying for for like years to come with people appearing how much to jersey people putting jerseys on taking dunks. But I made those dunks, thank god. Went Foe for Fold, a couple of guys that they had some really good dunks, they just couldn't

fit it. Like Joe Smith had a really that's when he went behind the back of that was like a new dunk for the dunk contest. So he went and like so, but he didn't complete it like the first couple of times. So that kind of that kind of gave me. They gave me some room when I went so I just I was just a complete dunker with all my dunks. I flushed them all we won, and you know, I had had fun with some of some of my childhood childhood friends after that. It's hard, so

I put you on the spot. Obviously you want a contest, Yeah, who a better dunker between exactly being Vince Carter Vince Carter for sure, not gonna Vince that easy. I'm gonna go with Vince because Zach is a one. He's a he only do for stuff on the free throw line. He like him and James White of the same dunkers. Damn great comparison James. As far as crazy flight, yes, but Vince Carter changed the game, man factual. He had the best dunk contest of all time. Ever, it's better

than that. It's better than that first Airs act Lavin. Yeah. But the reason why it is because they gave it to the wrong person. They should have gave it to God. That was bullshit. He got cheated, like so like, yeah, like come on, that was it? Come on, bro, you want to know what? Yeah, like, they gave it to the wrong person. It was crazy. I can't believe he didn't win. He won that for show. I give him that every time. I'm like when he went, man, that

was crazy. You know what I'm saying, Now, you don't say you got that out of the way. I don't know. That's still tough for me because exact Lavin shp like I under stay that one, like, but something shit was like damn Like, I think Vince obviously got the best dunk. Never the game dunk is never gonna be touched. But I just feel like that, No, I'm talking about that limpic joint Elite, the biggest nigg in the league outside of the ball with the ball that was crazy and

you back here with it. You're looking down in the room you think it was John Marantz. One't like that. Paciers. Please get off the highlights. Y'all make it so tough. We're gonna top of everybody if you if you searching it right now, they are the top of it, the Pacers on every top of every highlights. I'm sick of it. Please give us something. We're tired of the ship joint different ain't nah, but any game dunk was crazy for sure. All right, see what I'm saying. We gotta talk about

y'all link up. You know what I'm saying. Obviously you are vent Lena. You know they get this point guard out of white Forest. How was your first time meet and see? Like what was he y'all? Early on in the league and to see him, know I'm seeing transitioned up to being a solid player in the NBA. Man, real cheat, real quiet price still price, still frugal to this day. But he was real quiet, like just wanted

to learn, you know what I'm saying. Observant Me and him used to always go in the road and get something to eat, go to the movies or something like that. Chop it up, and I try to give him. I try to give him as much knowledge as I could I could from my from my perspective of just being in the league, because I couldn't really tell him nothing from a point guard perspective, but just just life in general and everything going on. You know what I'm saying,

You know, from that perspective, that's that's you know. We used to kick it like that. He used to hang out with me too. Yeah, Smooth was like the cool big brother type, like he'll pull you in like, hey, theybody gonna talk about all that shit, Come over here with me. Man, were about to go out have a good time, But like you gotta be serious though you can't get in trouble. You gotta play attention. You ain't

gonna play your first year. You just gotta stay on the bench, stay focused, watch everything, and then your time gonna come. I wasn't trying to hear that ship. I'm on the bench, like baby, can't move no more. He giving the muscle moves. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sixty four. I'm like, maybe he came on no more. He like he's telling me, like, just calm down me, your time gonna come. I'm like, man, smooth man, I don't know. Man,

I'm about to ask for a trade. I'm about ask for a trade, like man, nobody gonna trade for you. Shit Like bro, he was like, nobody gonna trade for you. Ain't playing. But he used to give it to me real. That's why I used to respect him. Then he like like he popcorn my car, my rookie year, talk about it. I wasn't. I told him he had a made back, maybe to color his car. The ship he was living like that, talk about it. I told him. I was like, I'm taking all your tires off. I mean, was to

put him. He was about to call the police. Damn about the car. The police, I said I'll put your car on bricks. He was like, nigga, shut up. He gave me, He gave me, like five get detail. You better show up to the club tonight. And I was like, oh he pulled up. Yeah, yeah, he pulled over the dog. He shut some of the said shouted down with this nigga. We touched on this another episode we got here with since you here. You know what I'm saying, the infamous

Krispy Kreme don't Nuts. You know what I'm saying. Oh, man, I heard You'll almost had COVID before COVID with his two weeks out don't nuts man. Oh yeah, man, that man try to get try to get creative on us.

And see the funny thing about that whole thing, it was just a pass down tradition, you know what I'm saying, because uh see, they used to hey Josh, Josh, because Josh shut used to have the brain to uh a, man, I want I want to They wanted the newspaper, well Twine wanted the newspaper, and they wanted Krista Creek donnuts. So He'll tried to come in there with some duncan. He came in there. He came in there jump one time late. He was about to cry dout because he

was a super cheap person too. They was like, man, I was like, man, I said, man, Josh fucked him. Don't get fine. You know what I'm saying, old want to fight, Man, I got your back. I ain't bringing for real. I ain't bringing for real Standford. He said, Shi, yeah, we are you doing it? Yeah? So uh he brought them things in there. Man, We taught so when he came, that was his that was his Uh, that was his job. I can't even tell you what my job was. I was so young, man, I was just a guy that

had they called it nighttime night out. I'm saying I was just man, you know yeah, yeah, man, pull up and pull up, young feller. You know what I'm saying, Drop that off and get on out of here. So we just gave him the little Christma creame detailing man. He came with some doing us one time things was man white man tried Man, I'm like, man, what the hell with tee? That's what got his damn ship? And he playing around and sit the guards was funny, like

fucking funny. You know what I'm saying. That he came in thirteen pick. You know what I'm saying. You can't tell him shit. You know what I'm saying. He feels like he about to be the next point guard up. He coming that thing, man, think he ll be big. Wasn't doing stuff we told him to do. But we came in. Boy, we fried him. We didn't worst than teeth. That might have this mental too, that might have everyone dropped. Man,

these nis was torrial. We were wed one time. Thing you remember y'all maybe were that costume on the plane. They did do that though he came with It was a bumble walking up and down leaving Man Cleveland Bruce Bruce Lee Bruce Lee body with the young fella was real, I said, young fellas. Yeah, it was like those like teams take that for granted. Man, these I don't know who made it where vets aren't on these teams and

they making these young guys figure it out. Man, it's it's it's it's it's gonna be catastrophic to their lives. And it's seriously, man, seriously like to their lives because and to the team's lines. Because you gotta understand all like, look, you gotta you gotta, you gotta you gotta vet on the team, maybe twelve thirteen years in the league, maybe seven. He don't fucked up, man, He don't sucked up a bag before. You don't got it back, Yeah, he doesn't,

got he don't, he don't. He don't dealt with the wrong females. He doesn't did this. And then the third he might have might have impregnated the wrong females. Now you gotta get hit over the head with a child supports. So yeah, these are the these are these are these are the stories, and these are the things that these young kids need, these young players need to have man in order in order for them to get get through their careers in their lives, because this is a real

deal thing that they're not gonna see. And everybody is at everybody is a professional at the at the level of what they're saying at whether it's these females, you know what I'm saying, these these these blue collar guys that's trying to trying to sell you dreams about you can make you can make uh if you get me two million, you can make one hundred million in seven years, shit like that, scam artists. And then you got you,

you got these you got these car dealerships. That's that's in fluctuating the cars because they know you're paying extra twenty over the tab or extra fifty. You're not knowing, you know what I'm saying, because you really want a car and you don't know all these things about the jury and all this stuff about how this think, how that stuff goes. So these are things that these kids need to need to know, you know what I'm saying. It ain't It ain't that the veteran is on the

bench still of money like a Udonis haslem. He seriously though, seriously though, he's a guy that's he's a guy that's that's helping with emotional distress from teammates. And he's a therapist probably like he's a he's a coach on the on the court. He's probably a big brother. And you know when they when they get out of the locker room, like these these guys like that's why that that's why they look kind of more unified. I know, they got a structure and they gotta they got a certain type

of where they go about it. They got a culture. But teams need at least one you know what I'm saying, at least one my life being up my team. I was the only rookie. Everybody was damn nurse five effects. So they were showing me the ropes, like he taught me how to move. Him and Joe they were similar, but Joe Johnson, so Joe moved real quiet. Yeah, see Joe was funny. Though Joe moved like I ain't sucking

none of y'all. Yeah, Which it was cool though, like because it was like, but he was fucking with us. But it was like, man, I'm just gonna like I'm gonna kick with my I'm gonna kick with my homeboys. Like yeah, like like like he only did he did it one time and I might no sensitive dude. I just take it for what it is. Like, I'm like, man, what we're doing to night? Man, we're going out, We're

gonna go to compound. I'm like, okay, cool, let's go shit game over with him calling Niggatt answered you know what I'm saying, did ye do that? He don't don't ask, don't asker. So I'm like, I'm like, damn, Nigga, did answer. I pull up to the club anyway, I'm like, you just annoy me. You know you didn't play it off and shit. So I'm like, man, I ain't calling his ass. I just see his ass there he but no, I'm like if I said, you go, and he like, yeah,

I just get my own station next to him. And then I was going there, yeah, he getting free the benefits going to night, I'm going to But they taught me how to like move because smooth pep. He bring his people. Yeah, you have his sisters with him. Yeah, he'll have a good time and he'll do it right, like he'll make everybody feel comfortable. Like if I'm with my home boys, man, they're they're good. Come on, everybody feel comfortable. I'm like, damn, when I get some money,

I'll make sure everybody comfortable. So I learned that from him. And then Joe's saying, way he brings all his people, the whole Arkansas with him. But I'm like, damn, just do that too, But they all they ain't o D That's what I respected. But I remember he told me not to be in his but he was like, yo, I got a budget, And I was like, you got

a budget, and at that time, I ain't. I ain't had no I had a budget, but my budget was very low and I'm looking at him like you said that was the things that you learned from learn from my ojez, you know, yeah. And I'm like, I'm not gonna be on thirty for thirty you know what I'm saying. That's real and that's just you know, that's just reality of it. I'm not feeling I'm like, man, I'll be damn. You know what I'm saying. If if they blessed me with all this and I do that, I'm not doing that,

you know what I mean. You told me you had a budget. I'm like, damn, you got a budget. It was I was like, I can go out because I got a budget. This is in my budget. I'm like, shit, I gotta get a budget so I can go out. You know. I mean, I'm taking because the league always painted you to be just like O C. Yeah, facts like, always confrontational, so you would see basically how they was paying you. Man, Josh ain't gonna have shit in the

next couple of years. You're gonna be out of the league that whole time, but playing you're sticking to it. That's why I respect you, bro, because I know you heard all that shit going on, all that smut they was putting on your name, yet you were still pushing through that shit. It's just I mean, I got into it with some coaches that had a lot of power. Yeah,

you know what I'm saying. So when you do that and you have a couple of disagreements, you know what I'm saying, and you're but you're you're alpha male, they might get fearful and be like, oh, you're uncoachable, you know what I'm saying. But you're a great locker room guy.

You're a great teammate, you know what I'm saying. Like, but you have these a couple of different spats with coaches like like I say, Mike Woodson, you know what I'm saying, Like the first coach you know, Indian of the coach right now and with the reason why we used to get into us because I had a father growing up, you know what I'm saying. So I'm eighteen in the league and I got veterans that's helping me maneuver through my my life and watching and I'm I'm

I'm watching how they moving this. Then the third and then I got a coach that's trying to talk to me like he's my dad. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, man, coach me, don't talk to me like you know what I'm saying. So I see how he's talking to everybody else. He just going in on me. So I'm like, brut like start talking to me like that. But you know what I'm saying. Like, now I got like, brahma, grown man, start talking to me like that. And I

had a daughter. I start then when I had a daughter, I started becoming feeling like more of a man, you know what I'm saying. And and now I'm like, bro,

it's a certain way you gotta approach the situation. Because I started having success and I started seeing the importance of the team, then what I was what I started becoming as far as like for the team, you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm like man, like I just was like man, used to have a little back and forth because I'm like, bro, you can't talk to me

like that. And no, mo brou like talking to me like that because I'm I'm gonna go hard for you regardless, Like, but don't use me in front of in front of everybody. Is like you're gonna be with my whooping boy, you know what I'm saying, like I'm not gonna do I'm not gonna I'm not. I wasn't. I wasn't. It wasn't about being sensitive. It was just like I'm not getting you're not gonna talk to me like that, you know what I'm saying, Like, just tell me what you want

me to do. You know what I'm saying. You you you cuss at me, but tell me what you want me to do, Like, don't be cussing at me for some mind fuck type shit. You know what I'm saying, Like you're trying to fuck with my confidence and stuff

like that, like don't don't do don't do that. So that that was the only kind of I think those kind of incidents because I never had any instance with my teammates as far as like be about to fight him or anything at all the time I got there, they had like a love hate relationship like Wood he loved this nigga, but he hated this nigga, and he like like I was like, why they why they do that? Like you know what, I'm like six years and I'm like, man,

I don't give me the fuck. You know what I'm saying. I was just like, man, but you know, when you're young, you're younger, you don't you don't think about things. That's like that, you know what I'm saying, because you know what I'm saying, Like you're selfish. You know what I'm saying, because you're you're you're selfish because you're young, yourselfish, You got your own you got you got your money. So now you're becoming a man, and you know what I'm saying,

You're starting to get get the things. You know what I'm saying, You're starting to deal with deal with certain certain females. You know what I'm saying, right, and you know you're spelling yourself a little bit. So it's like you're becoming your own man, you know what I'm saying. So it's like it's like however you want to handle it is how you gonna handle it, you know what

I'm saying. So you know, some some of those some of those things, I wish I had a little bit more better temper about it, but I couldn't control that ship at that at that age. You know what I'm saying, Like I couldn't do it. And what's real is like I do media and stuff and it's so crazy, like being in like NBA practices and stuff, and like, you know what I'm saying, growing up, you hear about all altercations of people missed stuff, and then you're going to

practice you'd be like, damn an asshole. Like it's like, you know what I'm saying, Like you can't talk to growing as men like this, and you'd be seeing it like, oh no, they had issues. Nah, he just don't know how to relax. And then you start seeing the business to basketball, and I start seeing it when I start, you know what I'm saying, getting the practices and being around teams and stuff, and then you're getting to see

how players act going into free agency. So for you know what I'm saying, you're going through the term on Atlanta. It's all right, it's bad season time, I ain't playing with y'all. Who got this bad? How did you approach that? You know what I'm saying. End up going to Detroit? Like was there another team who could have had you by chance? Or dude was like, who got the bag from me? That's what I'm well, I'm not even seeing a lot to you. It was like like he said,

don't disrecredit his bad he got a couple backs. You gotta talk about the first back. I'm talking about first back from Atlanta. Now I'm talking the first time leaving the team though you shot the man. Stupid something that I got had that ship. Talk about coming on your having wars, I just gonna look like, damn Jesus shit, I'm like, I get Someboddy boy. I'm gonna turn this motherfucker up. That was just backing the cat bro what it was not big then, No, I had my first

car was a hell Cat. They already had him. I pulled up and I got on here. The whole team had him. So was that did you had him? So you always had a budget all the way through the real budget, Joe. I was never trying to compete. I'm saying, they just had bad. We got that ship and I was like, man, that's the one franchise and they gave me one twenty. I said, I can't nobody to touch him. That was like that's what you getting them type of numbers? That was. That was that was bag talk, you know

what I'm saying. So damn it was from Atlanta, So you know he had that Atlanta like the Cote. It it was like that like Atlanta, and I wanted to like you know he y'all know he humble right now, but he's smooth. So he would go to the game and you see ta like smooth. What I'm like, damn he know tip you there, you'd be another person. So but like everybody knew smooth everybody, but they're already embracing

you before the league. Nah, not really because they didn't know about me, you know what I'm saying, Like I was kind of like you know, I was, I was young. People aren't going to like if you was a high school fan, you was going to those games. But but if if if you wasn't then or you wasn't into like basketball, you know, like as far as like nationally ranked players and stuff like that for high school. Nah, like not like like like you said, like, it wasn't

no I g So yeah, it wasn't. How they can resonate with the the kids now, Like how the rappers were seeing Zion Williams and they said, what two chains went to that girls game out there in California? Yea ju Julia? So uh so they just saw you like shit,

he wanted us. Yeah, but you know then ilay years so when when we when we started playing up in the playoffs, we made the playoffs, that's when I started getting recognition and and man, Danny Ferry Dog, it was like nine years bro, and it was it Uh comes to when you said about like hearing all the chattering stuff, and I heard it, and I was I was getting mentally fatigued on that shit. I ain't saying a lot to you. And I was like, man, I gotta I

want to fresh start. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, I want to fresh start. I want to try to shake this whatever, whatever kind of narrative they got on me, however they feel about me. I want to I want to break that, you know what I'm saying. So we had to talk. He was like, man, Danny was like, man, he just please give me one more. You can just wait, because he's like he didn't tell me he was fucking getting budded. I would have just said I was gonna wait.

That's what I'm saying. Also, he was like, man, just can you just sitting wait? Please? Can just please just give me one more? Like just keep just I said, no, I'm done, Damn, Like I'm done, I'm ready. I like, So he tried to trade me and uh, he tried to trade me for somebody in Milwaukee, but it didn't it didn't, it didn't go through. And then after that, I just I went to I went to Detroit. I

signed with Detroit after that. But I should have stayed though, because I didn't know if Bud was that good, Like if you would have told me, like, look, brou I'm getting this good ass coach. But like you know, I still I still see him to this day. Though I still see Danny Fair to this day. Uh. His son plays at pace uh paste down down there in Atlanta, and uh, it's a it's a it's a kid that's going to Michigan. Actually a little a young kid called

Chris Anderson. He's like five eleven, yeah, go five eleven. But man Dad trained him like he like like Dre was like he got gang like the real like he was him. Yeah, like the jake he was, He's the real jack shutters were damn damn like like the man get the bay, get up. Like as far as like training him, how you just trained him since he was seven. Yeah, like the man, the kid really dedicated his life to basketball. But I'll be watching him like they they got real rivals.

So I watched him playing there. That's how I'll be bumping into Danny Ferry every like I bumping him. But I think Kyle Corver's kids go there. Shout to Kyle Korver. Shout out to Kyle Korver. He be hating on Kyle Korver and uh yeah, he be hating on Kyle Cover respect a star yeah he oh he was awesome. Yeah, oh yeah, you forgot you should have been All Star that one year. Man, It's like they want to snub you,

but then they don't. They want to snub you, and then they don't want you to react how you want to react, like, don't say shit about they was Broyeah. So when I'm like, I'm like, man, I'm in my feelings. Yeah, so like I'm really in my feelings. Dog like they it's like they set up people's careers how they want to set them up. I'm I believe that, you know what I'm saying. But Mike Baby shout out to him once again. Man, he got my head back on right

when I was kind of out. It was I still had a hit list after after the ship came out, Like I'm gonna tell these teams to fuck up. You know what I'm saying, Like any team that we're playing against him a dog. So he was like, man, fuck that all star shit. Man. So I'm like what you mean? Like, I'm like, he's like, man, fuck that shit, bro. Shit if they pay you like all star shit, who gives a fuck talking about it? So I was like, shit, from right, I'm like you right, because I'm like, damn,

you didn't get one. He's like, no, no, I didn't give me one because I thought he was at least one, Yeah, at least one in secondment when he had Chris Webber and Chris didn't those guys and they had a wiggyout. Yeah, but he never gets it. Was making that over him. Yeah, but yeah. So I'm like, damn, I'm like he's like, yeah, man, this shit. I remember this year, like all right, yesterday, I remember it. They said smooth, don't shoot no threes.

You remember y'all made it. They made a bet and he would I swear he had take one step in every time. I was like, I was like, he crazy. You know what's crazy? Bro? I always wondered why you shot him shots like that? It was that one year, but he was crazy cry talking about the three. I'm like, smooth and make the All Star team. And that's when Is that the year when Joe had got hurt. Yep, Joe got hurt and IL got hurt and we still was like third and I thought he was They didn't

make any give it to me. Was nobody made it out, nobody made it for my team, and he was he was stepping in. I was like, damn, he gonna make it this year. I was like, I'm going with him where he go. I'm going, we're gonna be takeing. I was taking that was my own Tashwhite too though, man. And then and then somebody got hurt and I still didn't make it. They put Jared Wallace in. I was like,

they don't like. I don't like. And then they doubled down the next year, and but it was it was when I when it made me kind of like, I'm like it'll be all right. When I seen Al Horford face like he was sick and he made it, was like, damn, all this shit fucked up. He's like, this shit fucked up. Bro, you shouldn't. I'm like, I'm like, it's all good, bro. As long as one of us make it. And I was truly not a hater. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm just gonna take this time to God's

probably telling me to rest my body. Take take this time and spence sp you know, going back with yeah, you know what I'm saying, my wife and my kids. Because he was a motherfucking villain in the NBA. That's why I felt like, man, this nigga going through the league.

You know what I'm doing because it was like that era of that though, I really got to think about, like that's the that's the era came in and then I was like kind of trying to soften it up a little bit and I was still rough around edge like, but it was just like Rondo though, like Ben Rondo can't tell you why he don't like a point guard in the NBA he hates like he was. It was

just like that, like fuck this nigga. I'm like, damn, why oh yeah, you cool with T. I said, Nigga, this niggas my T. I want me to do that. I was about to tell this story that's not perfect. Everybody though, this is a perfect story because we're playing the Celtics and I'm having a cool game, and Kurt had just came to the team, was like, hey, throw it back sometimes, like throw it back, like when you're driving down the lane, they staying with you, throw it back.

I'm like, yeah, I ain't throw it back like two times. So nigga was like, I ain't. Motherfucker. They staying what you're talking about, So I'm kind of ignoring me. Was like, hey, so being Smooth had this kind of relationship on the court like it'll d put put Curt in man, this nigket tripping. So I'm like, I get mad as Hill you know what's talking about. I get some mad. I'm like crying looking at he like they looking at me like, man, get there like that. So I get a still and

I dunk on real. Yeah, the only nigga behind me is Smooth. You smack your back like yelling at each other. I'm like that for real, Like I'm gonna get all you like just like my team now. And uh I love I thank God, my my my. My parents are cool with me, like because I get on the assy, I get on their kids ass dog when they when they mess up, even my fourth grade, Yeah, what are you doing so like they look at at me and then but then when they when they do something good,

I'm praising. I'm the first one you got a little praising them. You know what I'm saying because I want to see them do good. You know what I'm saying, Like shit, I don't you know what I mean. But people don't understand that type of relationship that you gotta have. It's like a little brother Like how you seen Jordan Pool when they came in the tunnel, he threw the

Him and Steph Curry hugged each other. But it's like it's so so sensitive right now, Like I don't know what's going on with I don't know what why the world is so sensitive. I don't know if because so

many people have to have a voice to be opinionated. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like you know what I'm saying, Like is bro And I think I say whatever I want, But I know, but I understand, Like I don't believe everything should be water dawn, but I think we start, we do need to start paying attention more to people's feelings when it comes to certain ships, Like yeah, motherfucker's it soft like when it comes to the NBA. They

shouldn't water it down. And that's what I say, Like, motherfucker's in my house like my stepson, Nigga's he can take. He can take it from anybody if you use his coaches saying since your motherfucking ass damn he heard that at home. Yeah, I talk. Get them mother fucking dishes done, my nigg get the trash down. It's like so with you. He feels like nig he can build that relationship as

long as you love them. Yeah, that's the same thing with my kids, Like I don't I want I'm raising them like kind of tough love and I don't want them raise him. It's entitled individuals. Yeah, you know that, they know that privilege, but I want to. I'm gonna on the ass though, you know what I'm saying because and when it comes to their sports, I'm gonna be their biggest critic first because I want them to. I want them to. I don't want nobody to hurt their feelings.

You know what I'm saying. I want them to be ready for it. This is what you got going on. Somebody's gonna tell you if they really care about you, They're gonna tell you what's going on? You know what I'm saying. What's crying so much? Though, when it comes to these these these NBA players are like, you know, like your feelings want to get hurt and stuff like that. Go see a therapist. Yeah, you're making millions of dollars, Go pay for you to see a therapist so you

can talk about that shit in there. But when you come to this court, dog, I need a man. I need a grown ass man, bro or I need a grown ass man that's gonna understand why I'm talking to you this way when you when you're sucking up, I don't need you to be like, man, why are you talking to me like that? And you're making forty million dollars a year? Talk about it? You know what I'm saying.

You get what I'm saying. It's a different time though, as long as you as long as you not, I might think you understand it is And I see it and I see it though like I see it, I see like shout out the to the head coach with Cleveland, you know what I'm saying, Like he's jb Iss, he's one of the one of the great ones in his in this game and I'm kind of mentoring him a little bit. And I've been going to Cleveland games. I've been going up to the Cleveland for like the past

couple of years. Okay, and coach move you know, you know, you know, manifesting it, you know, talk about it. But at the end of the day, I'm seeing how he how he's talking to his his players, and how he gets them to relate, and how he gets the best out of him because i mean, you know, when I was in Houston, my favorite coach in the NBA was Kevin mckill. Oh you know, yeah, for sure, hands down, he wasn't That's when I made it to the Western Conference with him. West Conference Finals. Oh we got we

gotta talk about that. Yeah, one of the craziest basketball series of all time. Yeah, for sure, we can get to it. But shout the coach. He was always assistant under Kevin mckill. So he was like he was a JB's more excess and those. But Kevin mckill was like super relatable to his to his players, he wasn't really excell and those. He was a players coach, okay, but so he would get the best out of you and and the JB. I guess took some of that lot knowledge with him and then mixed his his his excess

and those with it. And he's a coach year today. But I'm watching him how he relation talks to this team. I'm like, okay, but it's it's kind of like I'm like, damn, it's it's crazy. Like you said, it's it's it's it's different, you know what I'm saying. But it's different because you don't have a veteran on the team to help help their young kid understand why the kid why the coach is talking to him like that, you know what I'm saying.

Like my experience is working in the league. Man, you get on some of these guys, you might not have a job in the morning, being real, Like, you get on some of them guys who the star players you like, bad side the ownership, they're going with the player every team place. So I understand why it's kind of sensitive

and damn damn, that's crazy. I mean, like you said, coaching matters and not even more or less X and os, But how you manage me because like in this league you've grown, ask me and most of these players on the bench make way more money than the coach. It's like you need to get the best out of these

players by relating and talking not talking down. And you see it like the transition to the NBA with coaches now, like some of them older coaches, like the George Cross some situations that shit not fly on no more like it didn't even George carl though. I mean, but I mean just like the same time tis I'm saying, like, but he don't. But it's like it's like, like you said, you gotta relate though, yeah, you can't be like you can't be socially awkward with this with this new generation. Dog,

you gotta be able to pop pop your ship with them. Dog, you got to broy they they're looking at it. He would have loved it. No, you know why you would have loved him. He wasn't gonna take your ass out. And you know he's playing forty. You're playing for As a player, when you in the game, you really don't want to come out, like you don't want to come out to that next morning, Like damn, I played forty. But as a player, when you in the game, like

to get all my stats. Team, but I'm talking about I'm just talking about relatable though, as far as being relatable to these kids that they you can tell he getting. He coaching a whole bunch of sensitive players though, because it's like they want to they go on the wooden Street. Then they'll lose games. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, that shit matter. But look, he's not relatable to Relationships are key. I always talk about that ship like your

locker room. Say everything about how y'all gonna play on the court don't matter, bro. So if your coach ain't really rocking, and it goes from the coach, that's why I'll be telling my pop to go to me. Because he got Tim Duncan. He was on Tim duncan ass so much. Everybody else had a fall in line, bro, And it's showing you how much how much more cold he is because it's like a lot of players did

not like Tony Parker no at all. Yes, everybody he was smashing, smashing teammates hate wild that the championships up bows in the club, wild boy, it wasn't no budget when TPS no budget, man, that's crazy. Everybody comes out there like, yeah Tony parks like damn, but was hoping I'm winning championships, winning for it was nothing. That's crazy. Really, you ain't really hearing nobody to talk bad on the championship winning team. Like teammates like that're like you said it, bro,

it's up on this right right. And I feel bad for Jacks. He's been saying it for a long time. I've been trying to say to Park, but Mary went on the coast side. That's tough. Like you say, how you treat your rookies mattering a long time because you

know what I'm saying, the Paragon ship, You're gonna get better. Yeah, but you gotta give it to him though, Like that's why I say antin walk Over, I'll Harrington, you know what I'm saying, because all Harrington was there with me, but he was focusing on He was like you said he was going to his his his free agent year. Who's going to his freging year where he was trying to get the bag, you know what I'm saying, and a legend he was. He was like, fuck you, I'm

trying to get this bad because you was coming to play. Yeah, He's like, you'll figure it out. That's rock. With that, mccaulla left and then I was there alone by myself like the rest of my life. When they when they traded him back to Boston, it was having that good little right he did. He wasn't there, and when they trade him back up to Boston, I forgot about halfway through my my rookie year. Damn, now it'd be like that stuff. I was just with my I was with

like Royal Ivy and dart Tey Smith. Yea, damn I have in Texas legend. Yeah, talk about it. We was you know what I'm saying. We was more relatable. We was more like kind of more relatable with each other. Josh was like from Stanford, you know. So yeah he had he had that bread, you know what I'm saying. So he was just he was on his own type, you know what I mean. But we was all kind of were still all cool and stuff like that. Like

I still talked to Josh to this day. You know what I'm saying, doing good in real estate up there. I wanted to ask this bro. So we already talked about the budget. I just want to know, like you know y'all was doing y'all thing, what was the best city to go out too? Like go out in like on the road, like man, like y'all were going we win tonight, it's going out. It was a story. It was a story. Man. We all went out. The baby made us all go out of Miami. Dog, you see

the Toronto with about Toronto. Toronto number one for sure, but like as far as like Toronto and Miami. So you got Miami. You know, Miami's like, don't see there, don't sleep. But it was like a man he got, he got the whole team drunk that day. Dog, I think somebody got. I think Solomon Jones was you tell that was New York? That was New York. But he plane, Yeah, I cussed everybody out. I was mad. I cussed everybody all around. Man, he might be dead hang over now

they tell me this. So the next year we go out in Miami. Is my rookie year. Yeah, and he like, hey, don't go out with baby. I'm like, He's like, you don't go out with baby in Miami. He was like, niggas missed the plane all type of stuff. I'm like, but I went anywhere. Everybody he because he he when I when I got my first check, he said, yeah, black congratulations. He's like shit, I ain't got to spend my money no more. He's like, I'm with you. He say, shit,

you know no, you know how to go. He's like, you got the bag now, you know the best. You know, you gotta take care of the veteran. You gotta take care of me. I said, man, come home. Bro. Every time, every time I see Bro, I need to bottle of bill. But there, he said that ship. I seen nobody's bout that thing. He had, grabbed the bottle, put it right

in his back pocket. Dog. Yeah, yeah, like a couple of a couple of cranberry juice and then another couple of bill, so he'll be That's exactly how he looked the whole night. He had everybody on the two cup one night, but he everybody was faded. Miami was Miami was definitely one of those one of those places, though, I gotta man, I gotta talk about it, man, one of the most I kind of okay, get your off. My man took me out of Houston the first time.

I ain't never been nowhere. You know, all I've ever been was Indianapolis. Wake for us. He takes me my first time. He's like, are you coming with me? You come with me. I'm like, where are we going? He was like, just shut up, you're coming with me. We go out of Houston. I'm like, hey, I'm moving to Houston in college. That how wish I wish my bidding was just gave me everything. You know what I'm saying, Like, put it out on the table for me, Like let

me see anything. You know what I'm saying. But they you know, some of these some of these players beat some of these some of these kids be fumbling the bag though, like they'll they'll put one in somebody on me it ain't the right one, and then they want to blame. You say, somebody want to blame man. I ain't tell him to do all that trying to comment. Yeah, I dry. He took me out, Man, and then he got back to the Lennen and bought me. I shot, you gotta have some of your wrists when we go out,

I said, shiit was this a ti okay, Josh. He had a key of that college. But to the top, I was taking his weekend. I'm hearing about man. Man was political went on tour with the weekend for Showman. Rod went on roll I had no money, Man. He was still a real digger for taking my nigger out to man, he bought me my second thing from Louis Marvin bought me my first. He bought myself. I went with and he like, men, you ain't got a wallet. I'm like, man, you can't be out. He pulled my

man out. Had Yeah, I had the high school I definitely did. They showed me a little man. They got me right man. Yeah, I think I got him a couple pair of suits. Ah, he did. That's why I like. I like when they first call, got to give him some suits. Man got shown. I had to lead dress called then too. Then y'all. Yeah, but I just yeah, yeah, we had that. We definitely had that. Damn So man, you know what I'm saying, career continues you in Houston? First of all, how was it like living in Houston

and playing in Houston? Like I imagine what I'm saying, maybe a little later, your career a little bit more, you know what I'm saying, as mature, but still you in that city and that vibe. You know what I'm saying, James Hard going crazy, Like, how was that season for y'all? Because that's one of the most important NBA like series that ever happened, because that changed the franchise after that. Yeah, it was amazing, man. I mean, you know Atlanta, you

know from there, born and raised. I love it. I love it to death. But the fan base was just so wishy washy was it was kind of hard to kind of get up to play for games sometimes at home because you know, you knew what type of crowd that you was gonna have to face. Lebron could be in the Knicks, you know what I'm saying. Or Chicago, You're like, like it was so many people from from New York down there that live in Atlanta, like so it's like it would be like a split, you know

what I'm saying. You got the Boston, the Boston, the Lakers. So it's like, you know, we was doing so when I went to Houston, it was just nothing but Houston fans, damn like and they was like they die hard fans, you know what I'm saying. Like, so like you know we had that, you know, they had DWIGHTE and James Like it was like them they're like almost like sold out every day. And then when I came, it was like turned up even more, like they embraced me with

so with so much open arms. When I got away from when I got away from Detroit with stand you know what I'm saying, st Yeah, stand the man. I laugh every time. Everything though they gave him like they gave him complete everything when they were up there. So they gave him like the GM president. Uh, every coach, he was all three and one son. When he came, he fired everybody. He was blowing up everything. You know, I knew I was about to. I knew I was

going too because I didn't. I wasn't his guy. He didn't. He didn't recruit me up there. So after they fired Joe Dumars, I knew I was gone. So that didn't work. No, But Houston was amazing though. They let you be yourself. James had that. James had the organization turned. He had the organization and the fans turned like Jason Terry like that was a real nigga tine. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, the money units. We had a Corey Brewer. We used to always gamble like but they used to gamble for

the big money. Terrence Jones. But they introduced me to that FIFA. I started playing FIFA because James was real heavy and at FIFA Clint Cappella was there. We had that's when Clint was super young. Couldn't gain away. He was just bouncing, dunking everything that had a whip man. We had a whip had a nice ass team. How was that serious? Though? Like you know what I'm saying, back against the wild up and downs during that series, not for real. I think we was like down obviously

it was one one. It was like three one. He was down three one. Yeah, and uh Man arguing. It was like a lot of arguing in the gap there, like going back and forth. Uh Me and Dwhite got into it one time. Ship the white, I mean changing the white fucking uh Man. We was just trying to figure it out. But Jason Terry Man the glue that's hard, the glue that kept that ship going. He was super positive every day. Man. Man, we was because you, like

I said, we couldn't. You know, Kevin mckill was a great you know what I'm saying, players coaching as far as X and nos, trying to like make adjustments, he wasn't. He wasn't as good at doing that, you know what I'm saying. So we would be on the planes after those games like hey man, we need to do this, like breaking this ship down, Like why are we playing

cards with each other? It'll be like me Corey Brewer, Trevor Reaser be He'll be like right there watching he wasn't playing, James, and then like the white is just be sitting like he'll be sitting in the like sitting right there, just like acting like he can't listening, but he listening or not. No, no matter of fact, no, James, I mean, because he'll be in his feeling so he was.

He'll always like he'll be in this. He'll be like in the back with like the stewardess and ship, but he'll be acting like his back hurt, like he needs to lay down. So he'll like be back there laying down being his grown man feeling. And we'll we're gonna get him going. Look this, look John, what you do? You know what I'm saying? He putting the play together, you know what I'm saying, So we like we putting that shit together. And then he said, they're gonna let

us win this. They're gonna let us win this game because they want to try to close out at home, so they just gonna dal the ass out for this game five, and then and then and we got to figure it out game six. So we dig the ass out game five. It's like a game whatever. And then they already talking about they going to the They're going to the Western Conference Finals. It's basically over with. So they're trying to use that ship as click bait for us,

like it's gonna get us geared up. And shit, I'm like, man, I'm just sitting there. I'm just sitting there stairs there practice right, We're at the Lakers facility. So they're trying to have like a Komba y'a moment, like what were we talking about? I said, man, let's just fucking just go out here and shoot. Man. Fuck, let's go like, ain't nothing to talk about it. We're gonna get our ass beat. We're gonna fucking win and go to Game seven at home. So they came out dragging that shit,

gave out dragging. They came out dragging this dog. So so when they was, they came out dragging this and and like you can see kind of like James kind of been like, shit, I'm cool. I was just gonna stay here, you know what I'm say. From here? From there so he looking like shit, he cool. You know

what I'm saying, Like, fuck this ship. So Kevin mckills took him out, sous people in we go on the run, you know what I'm saying, like crazy being Brewer, just going to food in the fourth coming back and see what people don't see is like the gym, Derrick Moyer and the owner like at the time, they like, put Jack's back in. Put James back in. Kevin's like, I got you one second, one second, you know what I'm saying,

put back here? They hot. So you see that. I think that's what took of effect the member to member. He only twenty games until the next year season. Yeah, but I got rid of him. But it's like, man, man took out to the Western Conference finals, y'all do that one? Yeah, that shit playing. Yeah they getting they got maga put him back in. But like man, like, what are you suxpected to do with when your team going y'all on the road. Yeah that we go to Game seven, James closed it out for us. Yeah, he

closed it out. That's what the normal fan doesn't understand, though, what you said, like a stance, we're not knowing that Kevin mckill is getting you know, push, trying to use him. They're supposed to be telling him at my name just coach after the game, right man nay and that day and then they was like and the reason why I didn't know because I'm so locked in in the game. You know, you got people in the stands. Yea, they like, man,

the man neighborhood. They're going crazy. I'm like, what what was that feeling like though, Like when you got that wrong, because, like like you said, from high school, people telling you not to shoot jump yeah, yeah, it was. It was one of the best feelings in the world because you know, you gotta you gotta coaches like I don't care about your shooting jump shot. I just shoot more in practice, like you know, that's what he was saying, like, Man,

I want you to shoot threes. I want you, but you know, but you know, shoot make make you two hundred after practice. Yeah, so I started to make three hundred, you know what I'm saying. Like, So I'm watching how James hard and working. He working extra time over over time. So I'm I'm just you know, I'm like, Okay, I'm see he's younger than me, but I'm getting I'm getting I'm like, Okay, young nigger working hard. Yeah, so I'm like, shit, I gotta go pick my shit up, you know what

I'm saying. So now I'm like and then and then we was all everybody was staying after like Trevor Rees, Jason Terry old older than all of us staying. So it was like a camaraderie that we had built amongst each other by and we bought into what we had going on, you know what I'm saying, Like we we just all bought in, like we just we just had a young like I think like Patrick Beverley was was hurt, but I don't think he would have stopped Steph Curry Man.

We but we had like we had Pablo, Oh, Pablo shout out to Pablo and uh and we had a h Jason the jet Man, Jason Tirey. Those were point guards for the Western Coppers. Finally, Yea was in trouble. Yeah, step it was hard. Yeah, it was hard to win. It was hard to win out there. That's hard, man. But before we got here, do a couple of rapper fire questions. Know what I'm saying, It's called something or nothing. Basically if you're something, You fucking with it? If you're nothing, Yeah,

Lebron James the best basketball player of all time? You're something? Or you nothing? I'm nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. I'm not Michael Jordan. Yeah you nothing? Yeah? If he what's up? You? You mind me with something? You're nothing? You know? I want to keep this going. I like this like this. Let's say I'm gonna say Jordan. You're gonna say Jordan. I'm rolling with Jordan too. But I think if Lebron get another ring and he got that scoring title, we

gotta talk about it. He's not getting another ring, you don't think so? He too infactuated with playing with his son. Damn. So that's hard though. Which is gonna be historic? It's gonna be historic, you know what I'm saying. But depending on what team is just son go to it? How good? How good are they're gonna be? It ain't gonna be lost as Lakers. You're right, this name has just been playing basketball y'all for so long. You've been killing you got a kind of hard saying Jordan is better than

what you got to think about? What if? What if Jordan's then just stop playing to play baseball? Whose dude, does the man just said, Hey, man, I'm just let me go, let me go ahead, and let me go ahead and just fulfill my fantasy or playing the basket being a baseball playing doing what me and my dad talked about. But in his prime, my only pushback pushback

to you smooth talk to me on nasty. Look which this nigga brin, Bro, he didn't change the name of the game though twenty years Bro, he damned his stats. Damn there got better. This nigga is a better shooter now earlier. But I'm just saying, yeah, but he changed. He also changed the game. Bro. Do you think do you think long term contracts is short term contracts is good for the game short term? So you think of man, you think you think a player wouldn't won a five

year deal over three or two year deal? No? Not actually smart that muf How we how we structuring that bitch though? Is it? Do I got a two year fifty like Brinn? No? No, So what I'm saying though, maybe like, okay, give me something. I'm with you, give me something years hundred million, Okay, what you can say five years one twenty right? Yeah, like two years sixty million, to me. No, I want the fire to me, I mean the fire if you do the two years, that mean if you if you're a max player, your max

gonna be higher. Yeah, so that's I want. I want the one twenty. That's because you want the stability you want. Yeah. Yeah, but if you're a max player, like oh yeah, like if we bron yeah, get it out of the way. Another one two years three. Now you know he the one who changed the contracts of the NBA. Yeah right, I just I don't know. But like I said, if we're doing some bron ship, now, if you get me, god damn it, two years twenty four. Paul stretched me

out for the for the five year whatever. But I don't know, bro, that shit just in you in this. I'm glad we're talking about this because I don't really like players that bet on theirselfs too much, you know what I'm saying, Because I want, yeah, secure the bag bro. Yeah. And it's like, I mean, okay, granted a player wants to two three year deals, right, but like a I mean, even though it is a business, teams would probably want to see like more loyalty out of a player than like,

let me get this two years. But let me get a player option my second year. That's tough, you know what I mean. But you signed that five year one twenty. Like Jeremy Grant in this situation right now, he just got offered five years like one fourteen. You gotta take that. I mean, four years one fourteen. He turned it down though, but he got tripping. Now he got the he got the option. They can offer him and forget. They can offer him five years up to two sixty. He's not

getting that. I'm not saying you, but think about it. You can go in the free agency to get five years one seventy. Yeah, but listen though, right, okay, fourteen, Okay, that's a good question. Right, that's that's good. That's good. But I want to know what the percentages are when people turn their ship down and get spy and the ship gets spooky for him, or they turn it down and it works in their favor. I don't want to

know what the percentages are. Like with with John Collins, we turned that ninety down, but they went to the Eastern Conference finals, that's what That's how he was able to get that one twenty. So oh yeah, but Portland. Portland is not a Portland. I need. I'm gonna take that one fourteen because I'm looking like, man, we're not gonna We're not like no championship type of team. We gotta we gotta. I gotta show something in the playoffs

before for me to get this two sixty. But they already offer you one fourteen, but they don't get players. That's true. They already kind of like, damn, we need him to stay. That's true. Now you kind of got him like I'm a gambling nigga, five one thirteen, and what Jeffrey just said, I could get to sixty, you're gonna try to sixty. I don't even want to six. Never if I get the five one seventy five eight, you said, ain't gonna lie the ninety to one twenty

the ninety. But for every told you they off me. I'm not sweating, going to be sweat but will under pressure. They lets you know, John Collins works will under pressure because think about it, but he bullishit. He's been bullishitt They say we're gonna trade you away. That nigga been cooking. Understand me, that been cooking three fishing nig but the he worked well for every John Collins, you get another's No, will you get Isaiah Thomas? See what I'm saying, how

sick is nerveless? No? Will how si t bro? I know he's sick. Bro. What I turned down though the mas like sixty though? No, No, it was like a small band. It was a small band. It was a Hunter guaranteed he would have signed that too. Was him getting hurt? Yeah? I thought it was Lisa Hunter. I don't even know if he got offered the extension, but because he was, it was like it was like a

small window. It wasn't like your boy though. No, ner seventy stroulder, You got Victor Shoulder trying to stroulder vic vic stroller from Indian So what do you do? He turned down that that good three year that's stability you wanted to get in Miami. I feel you look at it in Miami looked differently. You can't got hurt. It's hard bout that'd be people be fooling, you know, Like, man, listen, I can live in Indiana, man, ship man that bottle

right there, one hundred dollars in the club. You know what I'm saying, Come on, man, keep come on, A thousand dollars six hund dollars in Atlanta. Man, this is one hundred dollars. Man, I can't beat that shit. Man. You my really hanging out often? Am I really hanging out for I'm gonna be in the house you see where I live? Hold on saying how much that is in Atlanta? Man? About seven eight hundred dollars? Here that with hook and see what I'm man? You the man

out here. Man, You're the man. You are the man. You see what I'm saying? So like you got to think about that type of ship, all that bushit. I want no state taxes. It's no state tax, property taxes where they're gonna smack you all. You go down to the South Beach. You paid a hundred thousands. Yeah, oh man, yeah, smoth man. We appreciate you sliding on us. Man, so many more sorts. You gotta have you back again. Appreciate your rocking wet of course, of course, Jeff, did you

ever go out when bio meth was in the linta? Yes, I did see that. That's when it was so funny, dog, because you said, like when when they beat me for the threes and step in, So it was like all right, well, I ain't gonna go here, but I'm gonna go here. You know what. I had went to Man City a couple of times, and uh, this ship was funny, dog. So I'm in it. Like the first time I'm going there. Dog,

it's like a deer in headlights. So like the next time we're in pressing like Twine were going back, we're going back. Like I'm just like, you know what I'm saying. He like, he took me there a couple more times and then everybody was out of practice. He's like, coach, like me, how let you real quick? Well, Mike, Mike, what's just locked room? When he was like a man, uh, how you doing? I'm good. I'm good. He's like, man, you've been he've been all right. I said, I'm good.

He's like, hey, man, stapp stap him, stab them titty bars. Man. So I'm like, what you're talking about? You know what I'm saying? Stupid? You know what You're like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, I ain't. I ain't been in no strip club. I think I went one time, but I ain't. He like, listen, man, the chief police said he's seen you. Man. He said, ain't gonna shut down. So I'm like, this is not like damn okay, I'm it shit getting real for me. Like so I'm like,

I'm like, uh, dropped my head. I said all right, man, I said all right, I ain't all right. I ain't gonna go no more. I ain't go no more. So I was like, shit, So this when I started meeting with a meeting shamane, do you know what I'm saying, start being cold jamindu print stuff, and uh he was taking me out, you know what I'm saying. So shit, I was like, okay. That was another little suss of like, Okay,

I can get in these clubs. Right. So I remember were in the back, were in the back of Visions one day and uh, I'm about to get out because I'm thirsty. You know, I'm young, I'm thirsty. I'm ready to see what going on in there because I had just got kicked out the month before. You know what I'm saying, like I had, I had slid up, slid up the security guy like a couple of hundred you know what I'm saying, motherfucker, So big love alex Ago.

So once I get that mother motherfucking two seconds, it's dude like come in, like, come on me, like let me. I was like, oh, I'm thinking that they're gonna take me to the to the section. You know what, the section. He's like, come come on. So like me and Josh Chills were walking me, Josh d. Smith were walking. Man, man, open the door. Man. It took me to the bed like outside, like I was like, yeah, hold up. It was like a picture out like nigga, don't let this

little nigga in. You know what I'm saying. They put the head out. Niggas' coming head up. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm so. I was like it was funny as hell. So uh, I like boom, damn, I'm getting this bitch. I can't. It was like one twelve across the street. So I'm like, shit, I go, I get I like I'm with you made the priest, So sho, I'm about to get out the car. He like, hold on, hold on, hold on your fell hold on. So like, man, why what's up? Why you know what

I'm saying? He like, shit, let the let the go in here. Look to the right. But it's like sixty people. So I'm like, what the fuck you know what I'm saying, Like, what the hell going now? I'm just like thirty niggas, thirty thirty girls, like no exaggeration, you know what I'm saying, all these big ass pieces medallion pieces and shit, bingmf then but it's like all kind of crazy pieces. Yeah, So I'm like, the fuck. So we're going there, I

going there. We're going there like nearly and so once they they get in, they they let them in, no pat down, none of that shit. So like the vibes normally, like I'm guessing like JD probably wasn't tripping at that moment, but he was like, man, ain't nobody y'all checking out of my niggas? You know what I'm feeling, like, we hate no showing our did none of that ship. So he would he would buck because he's like, there, ain't gonna let the niggas. They let all these niggas here

with dope. So he like, shit, fuck this shit, I'm gonna go him. So should we get in now? I'm like, I'm really in this bitch. So we got there, We're going to We're going to section now, I'm in there. Section. I'm sitting down. Yeah, I ain't I ain't I want one of them niggas. Like you see me, watch me, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I'm sitting down like trying to like see what's going on, see the hall, you know what I'm saying. Like, you know what I'm saying.

So I look across, I look across the uh the thing, and they got the whole It's like it's like bruh, it's like a big ass section over there, like but it's like different sections. They had the whole spot over there though. It was like probably like eight sections over the mother, you know what I'm saying. And they just over there be I'm like, I'm like damn, Like okay,

these big niggas. I'm like shit, because it's like you gotta like understand like when we used to have them, when we used had the meetings, you know, we had the meetings every every year with the NBA security and all that stuff. They had it on that shit like look man, like you see they see these people, man go the other way, you know what I'm saying. Like, so they putting fear in your heart already, you know what I'm saying. Like, so you're like, what the fuck

going on. So, man, you see the unmarked black cars and shit like that. Man being like, you know what I'm saying, Like this, when I was young and single. You know what I'm saying. I pulled up. I used to like I was young, so like I wasn't dealing with the girls my age. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm eighteen, they like twenty six, nobody my age. So I pull up to her. How she likes to live on the east Side. I pull up and I see a little black Corvette in the driveway, So I

put pull the cold of six. Ain't man, who the hell you know? Saying who the hell? Who? As I my sister and friend, I said, okay, shit, I'm gonna get what you later on. Yeah, I heard what I heard. What ship? It was the Cross Pass? Shit, I was pipe, bro, you know what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Said, no go yeah, but I've seen the eight Days. They had a they had a food last run boy, not fishing Atlanta. I mean, I'm watching the series now and I'm like, I wanted to see how it started because

when it was like three oh, like that era. Man, that that year them years they had a Lando, and they had a land on and the chokehod. It really was about to like Jesus was about to help them, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, get on, but he just didn't. It was happening too slow. Yeah, yeah, that's crast. They probably had a bigger father. Every sports team in at the same time, the Falcons, the Hogs being bigger. They had billboards and ship man. Yeah it was I think, Uh,

they weren't bigger than Vig. Nobody was bigger than might be, absolutely not. No, No, he was bigger. It might be. He was the man. He was the fucking man. Whenever that dog fight it was it was after being meth though, Yeah, that might be. Yeah, yeah, it was like a little after being man. It was like being math boomed. Then it was the ship right after that ship had remember

come on the hot time, come on. He was the island and Irish and of football in like in Atlanta, like like I re Memb when I was younger and man, I used to see him. Man I used to be in the nosebleed brouh it'd be sold out. People used to love to see that man. Legend, legend and Mike Vig. He had Atlanto smash for sure. That's crazy. Great way to the end of great story, great guests. App cha, you're rocking with us like shit. Subscribe all that cool shit. Catch y'all next time. So yeah, sir,