Justin Wilson @LAClippersFilm on Playing Style Without Paul George

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Come on you and your brother big time. You guys are two of my basketball north stars. I look to you guys when it comes to analysis and understanding the game at a high level and understanding what it means to win in today's league and how you do that, And I think we'll talk about that here because I know one of the subjects I brought up with you that I wanted to discuss was just life without Paul George,

Offensively, did he really coin the phrase twenty one blackjack for them?

I don't know one of you guys put it out there. I thought I thought it was Jamal he said twenty one.

I was like, all right, that's pretty good. You know. I think a lot of it.

Is going to depend on how the Clippers go about supporting those two guys, right. I think when you lose Paul George, and you know, I've been critical of Paul George, but you just it's it's impossible to replace a six ' nine shooter of that degree.

You know, he's.

A he's an all time great shooter and you know for the past five years. Offensively, that is a big part of how we get to what it is that we want to do with his facing. And I think even for Tyler Low, it's going to be an adjustment because he more than any player that has come through this organization in the last five years has honestly been the most valuable, right, Like, he's the one that can come off of single doubles, he's the one that can space in the corner.

He's the one that, if need be, can take the on ball reps as well.

And so without him, I think it's you're going to see a way more diverse package. It may not, it's probably won't mean that it's better, but you'll see a lot more or Zoo post ups, just straight Zoo post ups. You know, you'll see a lot of like Derrick Jones Junior running in crashing on the offensive glass. Hopefully you'll see uh, let's go yeah, yeah, that's my guy. I was watching them at him on Rico Hines runs. He

Stuff like that.

Justin Wilson is our guest brother of Jamal Christopher who we had on last week. Both guys, you get better the jam the podcast say the best for last bro on first here. I love you both, and I do have to come clean. One of you guys came up to me at a game last season and I just had to play it off like my guy what's up.

I didn't know.

I didn't know you're identical twins, And it probably was him.

He went to more games than I did last It probably was him.

You mentioned losing Paul George, and there's no way to replace that productivity, especially coming off the year that he had. I think it was you, and I have quoted you, so I've given you credit for this. Regardless that said, they were using him like Michael Porter Junior on steroids last season, the way he was playing off ball next to James Harden, whether he liked that role or not, and it seemed like.

I think I think he Oh, I didn't mean to interrupt, but like, I think he's just a conflicted guy. But like he went to Philadelphia and he's going to play a very similar role, and you know, hopefully that's a sign of self awareness for him as far as like where he's at in this stage of his career, much

You know, what did it surprise you? I mentioned the lineup data the two man lineup data. Last season, James Harden and Kawhi Leonard were on the court for about sixteen hundred minutes. Their offensive rating was one nineteen. It's nice, defensive rating one twelve, you know, a plus seven net rating. James Harden next to Paul George actually had a little bit better of an offensive rating at one twenty two.

No? No? Absolutely? Ye.

So why do you think that was and how do you think that could translate and carry over to them putting up higher efficiency numbers this season?

Well, well, I think you know.

The thing with Paul last year, and I'm pretty sure Tyler was spoken about this before he can come and go, he can float, he can get lost a little bit. And you know, Paul George is a player that Tylu has hammered to wanting to be more aggressive and so I think by pairing him with a player that he's most comfortable with as far from a point guard perspective, a player who can kind of galvanize him a bit and get him going, maybe get some of that okay, see energy going.

I think that was the idea, right Like, if.

You're gonna have Russell Westbrook on ball, pair him with somebody who's had success with him before and Paul George and I think, you know, for Paul, I'm pretty sure that's something that he desired to write like he was. He's somebody that wanted Russell Westbrook here. So I think all of that went into play. As far as how James and Kawhi Leonard as a pairing goes this year.

Because they both play at their own pace. They're those type of guys.

Their own pace aka slow extremely.

I think their pace was ninety six when I looked at the numbers.

It really just it really both of those guys at this point of their careers depend on the support of each other as far as shot making is concerned, right like, like James Harden, I think, if I'm not mistaken, career low attempts and shot at the rim right like like Kawhi Leonard has has gradually lost a little bit of

And and that can kind of get the change moving.

You know. One of the things that is like a hallmark of NBA offense is whatever it is that you can do to create that man advantage right to give yourself the best opportunity to get the most efficient shot. And so that could be something that the Clippers honestly go to a lot.

I'm thinking like top of the key pick.

And rolls with Kawhi and Harden, or empty corner pick and rolls with Kawhi and Harden.

You know, without Paul, I think they can stand to be.

I mean, hopefully, as Louke ty Lewis kind of suggested, they're going to explore those things. And I think if you're going to play without Paul, if you're going to play with some non shooters, you can start to get the chains moving offensively by doing some stuff like that. As far as that two.

Man game is concerned, James Harden's just turned thirty five. Is there any fear of trepidation that they will be relying on him too much this season? With losing too high use whatever you want to say about Paul George and Russell Westbrook's passing ability, they still have the ball in their hands a lot, and now it seems like Moore is going to be on the plate of James Harden.

Yeah. I mean, you should hear the debates that my brother and I have regarding James Harden and the fact that he just turned thirty five.

And I'm terrified. I am petrified.

He was someone in my opinion, who over the last thirty eight games of last year, really started to show like some serious aging and like there were games where he need only score like four points. And he is someone that in my opinion, at this stage of his career. You want him to have less responsibilities, not more, And

Five thirty thirty five forty.

I think I don't think that he'll have any issues from a durability perspective, but the opponency offensively is what really concerns me.

That's interesting what you just said, because I think a lot of people would see that as counterintuitive. They would say, well, if he's playing next to Kawhi and Paul George, he's going to be less aggressive out there. He's going to take less shots and maybe feel like he doesn't have as much of a green light. But you're saying, actually, that makes things easier for him because he gets more one on one coverages, he gets more advantages on the

Probably in that same range, like maybe thirteen fourteen.

I think I think a lot of people kind of how can I say this?

I think a lot of people don't take into account like, oh, this player leaves, which means that this player gets more shots. But like that kind of isn't always how that works, right, Like he didn't take eleven shots last year strictly because he was playing with great talent. He took eleven shots last year because he was thirty four years old, and

I think without.

Paul George, right, his minutes are probably going to have to go up, especially without Paul George, I mean without Russell Westbrook as well, right, like us for whatever you want to say about Russell.

Westbrook, he just played minutes, right, he played.

And without Russell Westbrook, without Paul George, the responsibility on James Harden is harder and it's more and like those are going to be hard minutes, right, Like, he doesn't have anybody else to say, hey, you run the offense because that's not what Kawhi Leonard does, That's not what.

He wants to do.

So he can't throw the ball to Russell Westbrook's possession and say hey, you create, or he can't go to the bench and look at Russell Westbrook create offense. He can't say, hey, I'm running this for Paul George, you created, No,

I mean, it's a fair point. There was about a month and a half stretch there a late January into early March with the Clippers were around five hundred, and it seemed to be precipitated by the fact that James Harden didn't look the same. You brought up the numbers. I saw you put out a tweet for that. But I will say this, I don't know if it was so much he's gassed, he's done, he's cooked, because he did look different in that playoff series, first wise, overall energy wise.

So that is I was telling my brother, that's precisely the point, right, Like he had a week off before the playoffs and then had multiple two day rests in between those games. So like, if you're giving me James Harden where he can get a week off or have multiple times during the season where he's where he's playing every two or three days, then yeah, I think he would fare much better. But like I definitely could be wrong because he's just that talented of a player. We're

We'll see.

I mean, I think that's a fair point. But I'm getting a text from your brother Jamal. He says, you're mischaracterizing my argument.

No, I'm playing.

I also saw this tweet review at LA Clippers film. Regarding Kawhi Leonard, you said, I don't know how many games is safe for Kawhi Leonard to play this upcoming season, But I am intrigued at the thought of Kawhi Leonard, who has to take more of a volume approach to offense. How much do you think as I look, I want to say he was at eighteen shots per game somewhere.

There, which is pitiful honestly.

For someone as efficient as him. Now you expect it. Ooh, it was at seventeen shots per game out Paul George was there, Russell Westbrook was getting ten shots in twenty minutes per night. How much could the efficiency dip if he's getting up, you know, twenty twenty one shots all of a sudden. And do you think he will get to that type of mark?

I do.

I do think he'll get to that that kind of a mark. I don't know if it's in the best interest of him physically, because, like James Harding, you want less responsibility on Kawhi Leonard at this stage of his career than more, because as he showed physically last year, right like sixty plus games of Kawhi Leonard taking a hard twenty plus shots at night is probably going to burn him out. Like, like, I don't want to jinx the guy and say he's gonna get injured next year.

Being a superhero taking and making those.

Superhero esque shots that only he and a couple of others in the league and taken me at a relatively efficient value. So I'm I'm sewing this is one of the most exciting parts of next season seeing Kawhi Leonard actually approach the season like a superstar, right, Like he's he's way too good to be shooting seventeen Like you just said. Russell Westbrook took ten shots in like twenty minutes and Kawhi Leonard is taking seventh like co on Like, I'm so I'm anxious to see what he does.

How many years has it been. It has to have been like four or five years.

Since he's taken like twenty shots, So I'm I'm anxious that's one of the most exciting subplots of the season for me.

Regarding Kawhi, I should say, just to be fair so no russ stands come after me, it was only nine point eight shots per game in this twenty two and a half minutes per game. I want to be accurate with that. The last time or the most shot attempts Kawhi is taken as a Clipper was his first year at nineteen point nine attempts, so basically twenty shot attempts

I can't I can't tell you how much of a fan I am of Zoo and how much it pisses me off that they just don't explore his individual office.

For my god, there's an easier way to win games.

And it's.

Like we're playing pick and roll looking for switches, and like he's the man advantage right, Like that's two points right at the back.

He has one of the best touches in basketball.

He's huge, and on a night to night basis, I honestly think he has an advantage to the point where, you know, I kind of talk about like moving the chains offensively, right, Like everything doesn't have to be a James Harden step back three, or James Harden pick and roll, or or a Kawhi Leonard isolation into a long two. Like obviously those guys can do that, but like you're not gonna get very far if those are the shots that you're taking.

And so I think I think.

Excuse me Zoo is a way that we can diversify the way we approach offense. And you know, it's it's just criminal the way that the Clippers have kind of ignored his growth as an offensive player. And you know, I was very proud to see what he did against the Dallas Mavericks and I don't think that was abnormality.

Or anything like that.

I think he's totally capable of doing something similar.

To that on a night in and night out basis.

And it's going to be pivotal because you know, Paul George didn't provide much and so with somebody like Terrence Mann who who who is, as you said, extincion eligible. He's going to be playing for a new deal. I'm anxious to see him in a in a more in a role with more responsibility, because that's someone who can knock down thirty seven percent of his streets and he never misses at the basket. And so those two guys

He's got all of that in his bag.

So Tyleru, I know he wants to. He was talking about how we're how we're gonna approach offense without Paul George. It starts with Zoo. It starts with Zoo. Like like it starts with Zoo. He's gonna have the advantage. And the more you ignore him, the harder the offenses. And you know, to tie it back to what we were talking about earlier, you don't want to burn James Harden out. You don't want to burn Kawhi Leonard out. One of the easiest ways to do that is make Zoo a feature offensive player.

Well spoken, perfectly said. I have lost some hair pulling it out overseeing games where beats the zoobots has a really strong few minutes and then just go away from them, and the amount of times they have said we're gonna try to get Zoo more involved, and it will last a game or two or a quarter or two, and then they just forget about Zoo. I say it all the time, but I will do that doctor dre parody. At some point forgot about Zoo. I don't know why

Wow, that's literally down to the exact number, is what I was about to say.

Seventeen and ten, maybe even eighteen, right, Like, I just get greedy again.

My brother and I we've been debating about this, and like the Western Conference is really really tough, Like you know, you're talking about just in the Clippers Division, You've got like the.

Lakers and the Warriors.

These aren't teams that aren't gonna win the champions, but like they you've got to play them eight times.

You know, you got to play Phoenix four times as well.

And I think Phoenix if they're healthy, like they won forty nine games last year.

You know, like you've got the Simberwolves.

Sacramento is not bad either. In the packagem PAC is one of the best divisions at all sports.

Right, So when you're talking about when you're talking about avoiding to play it, that's a tall act. And so if you're going to avoid the play in, you need somebody to play way above expectations and I think Zoo is the prime candidate to do that because he has the skill set, he has the size. I'm kind of surprised they haven't got an extension done with him by now, so maybe he can be motivated to play for a bigger.

Number, which can help.

So, yeah, if we're going to avoid the play in, I don't see how it happens without Zoo having a monster season. And like, I'm not saying he needs to be an All Star, but when you talk about the best sinners in the Western Conference at the All Star break, Zoo's name has to come up.

If name.

If Zoo's name is coming up in those conversations, then that suggests that the Clippers are playing above expectations and they could fight for that for that sixty.

In my opinion, I don't want.

To act like there's a net positive of losing Paul George because there's not. But is there any area or intangible you see that they could be better at. I saw you retweet the THEO Ratliff thing talking about him doing the little things and the defense he would play, and it seems like there's this, I don't know, misunderstanding of who Paul George is on a night to night basis, quarter to quarter basis. There's a lack of consistency. There

Let's let the fuck turn over.

Yeah, I said that my apology.

Sorry.

I think it's the defense. I think it's the defense and more than anything, the activity. If you if if you're paying attention to watching Paul George play, he wasn't just providing lift service when he said that, Like you know, when they lost Niko Batoum, they lost. He didn't want to do the dirty work. He literally his rebounding rate has declined significantly, right, Like, he's just not the active

He wasn't that guy anymore. And so if there.

Is a positive to losing Paul George, one is that other guys get the opportunity to expand their wings a bit as far as like what they could do on offense, right, Like, if Zu has.

That in him, he'll be able to display that.

If Terrence has a late twenties jump, he'll be able to display that. But really it's the defensive side of the ball, right, If you are replacing Paul George, you're replacing him with Nico Batoum.

You're replacing him with.

Derrick Jones Junior Chris Dunn can guard up and down a few positions. It's an in conjunction with Terrence Mann and Kawhi Leonard, you all of a sudden have an incredibly long and active defensive team, and on that side of the ball, they should be much better.

He's not a guy who's rebounding anymore.

He's not a guy who's taking the big assignments consistently on the defensive side of the ball. So I think we can be a bit more active without him. I think that's fair to say. And yeah, I think Philly who will learn that like Paul George is closer to three.

And D than like Superstar. You know, and you know it's it's a lot of money to pay for a.

Guy who doesn't rebound anymore, and doesn't guard the team's best player anymore, and doesn't actually lead create for others anymore.

But that's another story.

Your brother said he could easily make the argument that the Clippers got the better end of a pseudo trade. Basically, with James Harden coming from Philly to the Clippers, with Paul George going to Philly from the Clippers. They weren't traded for each other, but two players swapping teams. Would you agree with that that you could easily make the argument that the Clippers got the better end of that deal. No, oh, interesting.

No, you know it's the and the reason why is because Paul George, again, for all of his faults, he's still six ' nine. He's still going to be a plus defender if just for his size alone, and he's still very easy to plug and play right like you can get you can you can design any sort of like offense, and he'll be able to fit right in right like he can be a flour spacer, he can come off a single doubles, he can come off of

I think on a macro level, I think.

If you're talking about like that hypothetical trade for each other, the Clippers with Paul George and Kawhi Leonard would have probably been better off for next season than Kawhi Leonard and James Harden, simply because I just don't have the faith that James Harden will be able to hold up for the course of eighty two. So, like, if you're telling me James Harden is going to play sixty five plus games and maintain thirty eight percent from three.

And like forty four overall.

And give me eighteen to twenty a game of like nine to ten assistant, yeah, definitely, But I just don't think in his age thirty five season that's in the cards for him, I value the last thirty eight games very very much like and again, that doesn't get better as you get older, it only gets worse.

More likely than that so.

Fun hypothetical, but I would probably choose Paul George not for just pure raw talent, but more so bid or Can and.

Abel identical twins like justin Jamal, I don't think they were. I don't have to brush up on the old Testament here. I do want to ask about Norman Powell and how large of a role he has to have to make up for some of the shot making and shot creating. I know he's kind of a catch and shoot guy and then get it and go to his right for a quick layup, a quick decision maker on the offensive vent. You don't want him playing with his food too much or taking too long and trying to get into his bag.

Scoring.

It turns out not all skills are created equal in the NBA, and scoring is a really important one. And he can hit some shots that are a high degree of difficulty type shots. And he's had a forty point game in the playoffs for the Clippers. Just how important and vital.

Is he to this season now?

I think over the course of eighty two games, he's going to be vital because I don't I think with Paul George being absent, the margin for error is slimmer. So games where you're playing against I don't know, a healthy Charlotte Hornets team where you're thinking that's an easy

You have to win your games.

Against the Jazz, And if you take care of your business in those games, that puts you almost right in the driver's seed, right because like hopefully you punk above your weight class and steal some of these games against these other great teams. But those are but those teams that I mentioned are the teams you really want to

I brought up the coach Lou comment coming out of a team in USA yesterday in an article by Ohm for ESPN covering the Clippers, and that quote that he had saying he can't wait to prove everybody wrong. Is that meaningful to you? Like? Is that something that can get them a few more wins just an even more motivated coach Lou Or is that just something that gives fans a little bit more hope, a little something to hold on to right now during a summer or still got two more months before real game start?

She's two months Jesus.

About October third.

Yeah, I mean what he's supposed to say, right, like like he sees everybody projecting that the Clippers are going to miss the playoffs and we're gonna win forty forty two and forty like.

He sees it.

So like, yeah, I mean, Tylo is a competitor, right like, he incan extension. He's gonna be here for a while, and he doesn't want to coach a bad team. So I think with that quote, if you wanted to, if you wanted to take that that.

Take and that quote and really dig in deep.

It's the fact that he's going to chase wins more, right, Like, this team's margin for era isn't such that like, Oh, I'm only gonna play Kawhi Leonard thirty two minutes tonight, Like you can't do that, like if you're serious about winning.

So if you're trying, Like if we're gonna take.

That quote at face value and say, oh, he really wants to prove people wrong, it's going to come with like a chasing of wins, taking the regular season a bit more seriously. And what I've learned is that alone is responsible for three to five wins.

Right.

Just that approach every night that we have to win this game is is because not every team that are playing is going to have that approach, right. Some some teams may may be like, oh, we'll take this day off for this guy, or we're taking the long view.

Because we have the talent to do so.

And in my opinion, I don't think the Clippers have the talent to take games for granted. And I think that's what tylou is alluding to when he says we're going to prove people wrong. So hopefully that quote suggests that they're going to take this season extremely seriously, and I think that votes well for the Clippers win total.

When you talk about playing to win every night, is there a way to do that but still get some of these young guys with upside like we've seen from Jordan Miller run.

That's a tough one. That's tough. I think.

I think Kobe is going to get an opportunity the position exactly exactly that, but like you know, with the way you're trying to chase wins, that'll be tough. But like we know Kawhi Leonard isn't going to play every night, we know Niko Batoum isn't going to play every night or play heavy minutes.

So I don't immediately see.

But that's what training campus for, right Like, that's what I mean he's doing. Jordan Miller's doing what he's supposed to do to try and crack the rotation, and I think he'll get his by sheer just being.

On the team. He'll get his opportunity at some point.

It's just hard to see it right now with the guys that are in front of him, and honestly, how serious the Clippers plan to take the regular season.

If I told you the Clippers just trade for Zach Levine, what seed are they in the West. They didn't.

I was like, they won't break something.

I think you're a fan, like I am.

I'm a I'm a cuge fan of Zach Levine, and and I think I think value and productivity sometimes gets underrated, right, like we tend to nick pick guys for what they can't do. That one is a great question, because are you giving me healthy Zach Lavine?

Right, Like, he hasn't been healthy in a while, so like.

Let's say he's good for sixty eight games a Kawhi. Leonard asked, sixty eight games, like we got at Kawhi last season, and he is prime Zach Levine from a couple of years ago.

Yeah, I put them top six.

I put them top six, Like, yeah, I think if you're giving me that version of zach Levine, then I'm I'm definitely thinking I'm taking the high end on that because unlike Paul George, right, like Paul George is the better player than Zach Levine, but Zach is someone who he'll get it up from three man, like he's a he's a bona fide shooter like Paul George in that regard, and he's going to give you a little bit more of like pressure and a little bit more above the rim activity.

So yeah, I'm I'm, I'm I'm rolling top six.

If we were to get somebody like Zach Levine and he takes so much pressure off of James Harden and Kawhi Leonard, which is probably my biggest concern going into the season, is like we don't really have anyone else that can take the pressure off of those guys.

They have to.

Not only not only be play finishers, but they have to create the man advantage for other people. And like that's gonna be that's gonna be tough on them. Maybe not in the beginning of the season, but as we get towards the dog days of the regular season and we're in Indiana right a good a really good Easterconference team, Like.

That's not that that game isn't gonna be easy, you know what I mean.

So stuff like that is where I'm like, man, it'd be helpful if we if we replace Paul George with somebody who could at least approximate his scoring a.

Couple more for you here. Just you got into it with some people talking about retiring Paul George's jersey. You said you put out the initial suite. You said, he's not first in line with respect to getting his jersey retired, CP Blake eb. I agree with eb, but three time All Star, one time All NBA twenty seven to ten five in routes of the franchise only Western Conference Finals playoff run feels like very close to a no brainer. NBA teams retire guys jerseys for far less. I agree

The way I see it, right, So, retiring jerseys is teams specific, right, they have their own criteria. The Lakers, for instance, you don't get her jersey retired until you make the Hall of Fame, right, you have to make the Hall of Fame to get your jersey retired if you're if you're an LA Laker. That's why Michael Cooper, once he got into the Hall of Fame, is now getting his jersey retired. But that's not the Clippers, right,

Run to get you there. I don't I don't even understand.

How anyone can push back against that, Like what are we doing if the best player on that team's playoff run, who got who made All NBA with you, who made three All Star Games with you?

What are we doing if that guy can't.

Get his jersey retired for the Clippers with all the rest like the Clippers are like the Clippers are my team. I will I went to the sports arena to watch games there, right, I was a junior Clipper playing at Normandy Park, like way before, way before when they were sponsored by like this Savici Motors back in the day, you know, like.

That this is my this is my team, it's my home. But like you take their history, it just doesn't make sense that you would not retire.

That guy who's who's a infidal part of the team's most successful season ever and even beyond that season, multiple All Star Games, all NBA's like over six thousand points. Like if you just put his resume up against the other Clippers, I guarantee you don't find that many ahead of him, you know. So, Like I said, I don't think he would be first in line. He wouldn't be the first guy that I would call, but he definitely would be on the short list. Easy, easy, without question.

Blake Griffin, I think is first on the speed dial for.

The y.

It should be against the Suns on the twenty fifth, like we should do it, like open it into a dome that way, like that's how easy that is. And Chris Paul too, like I I don't. I don't see those guys obviously, those they're rarefied air for what they've done for this franchise. So I don't think no one would get pushed back for retiring their jerseys.

At least I don't think but.

Yeah, I don't understand why you wouldn't retire Paul Georgia.

What is the argument against it? I don't even understand it.

He's called him the B team. Uh. If he continues to do that, maybe have second thoughts because he didn't end things well. And yeah, there's a real sour taste. Currently, you got to get further away from the situation. It just happened. It's too raw, So I can understand from that perspective, But long term, I think it's a no brainer. I'm with you, what are you most hyped for when it comes to the end to it?

Don't in those bleed seats you want. You won't be bleeding at all, man, right, exactly like I think.

Actually, I'm more excited about the intimacy of it, right, Like I've only been there.

My brother has been there more than me.

But the one time that I went the arena struck me for how intimate it felt relative to for Bill dot Com arena, Like the everything feels way more closer to the game and like way more on top of the game. And so I'm excited to get to a game where the crowd is live and I can just imagine how pulsating, and how wow that's gonna be in comparison to the advantage or the lack of advantage that

We've got a packed house and like.

Everyone is rooting against like this will be the first time in a long time. I remember I went to Game six Clippers Jazz and that was the loudest I've ever heard a Clipper game, and that was incredible. And so I think the into a dome can be because of the way it's built. I think we can top that. And if we top that, I think we could have one of the best arenas in the league. So I'm looking forward to it. That's what I'm looking forward to the most.

What about too, though, Well, that game makes me think that still wasn't even full capacity that Game six. There were still some restrictions going on that I've been saying the exact same thing. What I can't wait for is everyone to find out at once how loud the arena can get And I made this prediction with your brother and he agreed with me. So as I try to drive the wedge further between you guys, I want to

Honestly, yeah, I didn't. I didn't know. I didn't know that.

Right as far as what you just said about how loud it's already gotten with Brian and there, so I'm maybe maybe obviously Utah can get pretty loud.

Okay, soe he's loud.

Yeah, But like given the fact that this arena is the newest of them all, and we're taking inspiration from those arenas, and like, you know, there's the whole wall thing.

We got the wall going.

You know, I got to I got to take my seat at the wall just to see and why it's steep. It's incredibly steep, Like it's it's crazy, you.

Felt like John Snow, Yeah, I'm on my watch here.

It's sharp today. Man, nice, that's nice today.

Yeah, I'm look listen, I think at its best, at its peak performance.

Right Like, if we were to get into the playoffs next.

Year, there's no doubt in my mind we'd have the loudest arena in the league, almost by bar. And you know, for the for the fact that you could say that about a Clippers home arena is like still kind of like jarring to to like to take into take into account. So yeah, I'm that's what I'm most anticipating, and like, yeah, we we we got to get to we got to get to one forty decibels jet engine level. Baby, No, still, let's do it.

Of inglewood.

You know, Laker fans are punching air right now, and all sound is is vibration in the air. So they're just punching the sound, trying to fight back against the loudest that the clipper, that Clipper Nation is going to create into its elm last one for you here justin I never didn't ask your brother this one. Uh, best and worst thing about being an identical twin. I can't get the Morris brothers on for this one, so I.

Figured, honestly, honestly, it's the the best and worst thing is probably the exact same answer, which is that he knows he knows everything about me, like like and sometimes that can be pretty annoying, you know, like like every all of our tastes is the exact same and literally virtually everything.

It's almost like.

Not James Harden, yeah.

No, no, no, but like I do love James Harden, though I do.

I do.

That's Arteasers. That's Arteaser's finest right there. And I saw him as a senior in high school. I was just blown away how good he was.

But no Beard, yeah, yeah, yeah, he had he was crazy.

But yeah, that's the best and worst thing is the fact that, like, you know, I feel like I'm walking with someone who just imagine if you had someone else out there who was socialized in the exact same way as you. So everything you experience at the exact same ages throughout your life he experiences as well. So like you come to love the same music you love, you come to love the same women. Everything is like everything all of the taste is just like exactly the same.

Like oh yeah, yeah, he loves her.

I'm not I'm not the I'm not the biggest fan, but she's a She's a gorgeous gal. And I met Dave mcminnimon once and he was great to be so best wishes to their marriage. But like, yeah, he's a he'd be fan of he fans out over Malik Andrews.

I don't I don't get it, but like.

I think I've seen them at a few different times too.

Yeah those are those are those are his Speaking of getting jerseys retired, he retired their jerseys right in his house.

He would definitely do it.

So I'm sure this is going to get back to Jamal, but like, yeah, he retires in Data's jersey and the Heartbeat, no doubt.

Tom Hall on look out, I think that's Spider Man's name.

He is justin.

Wilson at La Clippers Film is where you find him, and he was the perfect guy to close out this week and Clippers Talk episodes. Unless there's breaking news tomorrow or this weekend. I'm going to do a Terrence Man deep dive coming up. I think I'll release on Monday. I don't care it's a holiday. I'm gonna get something else out there. I'm trying to be like locked on or something. Just get out as many pods as I can right now before the season starts. I figured this

Okay, man is a struggle in the summer.

This is cake too. I just bring on great guests like Justin Wilson and Jamal Christopher. I just sit back, can listen and enjoy the ride. Justin, thanks for doing this. Is there anywhere else people need to be following you.

At Maybe maybe maybe in the future, we'll see if we can figure out some things. But that is that is uh, that's something that's been.

In the worst for a while. We got to see if that can actually get off the ground.

But JJ is out of the podcast game, so Jay and j JJ Reddicks out. You guys got to take over.

Yeah, maybe I can get a head coaching job right after. You know, you never know, but we'll see La Clippers film on Twitter. Reach out to me if I'm not and I'd like to think that I'm kind on there if if you guys are kind to me, so reach out.

Let me know what's up. Man Clipper.

You know he is Justin Wilson. For Justin Wilson. I'm Adam Moslin. This has been another edition of Clippers Talk. Love you guys, Talk to you soon.