Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels. Today I'm speaking with English model, actress and all around one of the coolest girls I know, Poppy Delvine. In this episode, we talk about Poppy's childhood, what it was like being the middle child, her admiration for adventure and travel, and how she figured out what she wanted to do in this crazy life. She's found incredible success in modeling and now acting, and has launched a brand
of prosecco called de Leviat with her two sisters. I cannot wait for you to hear this interview. I've always loved her so much. I love her even more now and also found out something I really never knew. So I continued to learn on these episodes as well. And so I wanted to talk to you because you know, again totally biased, love the frick out of you, and you know, we met what feels like one hundred years ago, probably one hundred I would say at least fifteen, because
it was before I had kids. So, but you're very special and you're very special to me, and I think people look at you as this, like, oh, she's so beautiful, she said, this. She said that she's like an it girl, she's a brick girl, she's a this girl, she's a fashion girl. And you know what's funny, Yes, you're all those things, but you're just so much more than that, and that's why we love you. You had the biggest heart. I think your heart makes up most of your body and your legs duh, but but.
Legs, you know.
But I think for me, I want to really I want people to know the story of Poppy and I want people to like, you know, how did you just because we all know you didn't just come out of thin air? So I think it's sort of like I want to know who you were as a little girl, and also like were you always this like shining light? Were you always the fun girl in the room? Were you always or were you shy? And were you insecure?
Like I want to know, so so tell me that and tell me like born where born in London?
I'm all here for it, Rach and I love you very much. I honestly hold such a special place for you in my heart and those beautiful boys of yours and just so honored to do this and congratulations and such an amazing podcasts I'm always here to celebrate women morning, day and night. So very very excited to be I know.
It's two amazing sisters, so.
That I am the filling in the DeLavigne stand with which I like in the middle. But yes, born and raised in London, grew up kind of just out, not outside of London, but in a more kind of I would say, a greener area of London where we sort of grew up kind of run around naked, bedford dumbrees, covered in mud, climbing trees, riding bikes.
The dream, the dream.
We had a very kind of outdoorsy upbringing, my two sisters and I. We also have an older brother who lives in America, Alex, who's phenomenal.
And my goodness, there's four of you.
Yeah, there's four of us.
I'm not your brother. Now this is going to be my quest.
There's an older brother that leads the tribe. He lives in la and I can't believe I am to introduce you to him.
Oh well, my god, Okay, now I have to meet he's probably droptic or just saying totally I'm biased.
Yeah, he was wonderful and I think as a little girl, I think I was pretty outgoing most of my in fact, all of my childhood. I would be fibbing if I said that I was a sort of shy, retiring wallflower. I sort of came out and screaming and shouting from the top of my LUNs, a really peculiar looking child. I think my parents were quite shocked and were trying to put out ways that they could give me back, probably freckles and deep deep eyebags and like white blonde,
wiry hair. And I think because of that I had to really make up for it in personality, because my other siblings came out kind of beautifully angelic, and I came out looking like fraggle rock.
So I think a lot of my I don't believe any of us.
Honestly, I was rich. I will after this. I'm going to send you pictures and you're going to go might they might break your phones of it, but honestly, and I think I made up for that in personality. So I was always very sort of outgoing, loved people, loved entertaining, loved socializing, loved loved humans like I was that sort of person like shined always to people's pock and as trying to I'm on top of people and touch their faces, and you know it was overly affectionate. I always mean that.
But but it's interesting because I do think, you know, I'm a huge believer in birth order.
I really am.
I am the same way I am with like zodiac scigns and things.
Like that, and my Vago queen.
Yeah, I mean, and there are so many of us, it's wild. And I think for you, I mean being the middle and being the middle, well you're technically you're there's two middles, right, I mean, yes.
Yes, But my so my brother we didn't meet until later on in life, got it Anderson, and we didn't meet him on till later in life. I mean, that was like the world's best surprise me. I mean, imagine the eight years old and finding that you have finding out you have a brother. It was you know, who was older and so cool and so handsome. My god, I was like, oh my god, this is all I ever wanted my brother. But yeah, I mean I am middle child, so.
You are a middle child, and I think with the same sex, I think there is a middle, right. And what's interesting, And I don't know if you know this, but a fun fact that you know many prominent figures in the world in Hollywood and otherwise are middle.
I didn't actually know that really, yes.
And a lot of fashion people are virgos. Shocker.
Yeah. I mean my siblings and my parents would say that I am very middle child. I mean because my brother was brought up in the States, you know, he wasn't brought up with us, so it was very much us three girls growing up. And I think I very much represent all those middle children now that even all the kind of the highs and the lows. Yeah.
I think though to that point though, it makes so much sense to me, because what I found is that I think when we were younger, it's like, oh, middle child, middle child syndrome. It was always this like negative And actually, as an adult, I have actually found that the all children are very often the most shiny and the most special, the most unique, because they're not the oldest and they're not the baby, and they find there they have to swim a little harder right to find their spot, right, We.
Have to fight for the attention to find we have to find what makes us click quite early on and find our places. I feel like in the world quite quickly, more so than others. I mean, my siblings would beg to differ. They'll be like, oh my god, now I believe that I've even got I do know other middle children where we've like decided to start middle children clubs, were like, let's go up the lunch and discuss those sub siblings and discuss life and discuss how we're going
to take over the world. And you know how we always get everyone always really whoo's on us, and they're always like, oh, you're a middle child with us and all that, and.
We're like, no, I don't. I don't anymore.
I think it's I think it's like an old thing, and I think it has to be like turn the frown upside down now. Like I actually think the middle children are the ones that really they really shine the most. I see it all the time, and it's I think it's really a beautiful thing, actually, And I think it's what you make of it. I think you can't fall into the cliche, right, but I am. But so okay, so growing up in this like so you grew up in this very you know, I would argue to say,
correct me if I'm wrong. A really beautiful family. When I say beautiful, I don't mean just what you look like. I just mean like a really good family and like a very well loved family in England.
Yes, exactly, thank you.
And I know that you're very close with your father. I know you're very close with your parents.
Yes, I'm close to I'm actually close to all my family members. But my daddy is my takes up. I reckon, I reckon. Yeah, I'm saying this and how much because I feel like I'm just talking to my great friend Rache. You are except most of my heart me to get well back. But it's true. I'm a daddy's girl.
We are, and I think that's what I think, that's what happens. And I think i'd be curious to know. And again, something that I really believe in is that our education does not define us in any way. But were you a student or were you not a student?
So I mean, listen, I went to boarding school in England and I left at eighteen and I went out into the big world. I did not do college or anything that I was At sixteen, I was grating my parents. I was like, you have to let me leave, you have to let me finish. I am so ready for what the world has got to offer, and I don't think anything from being a student anymore. So at eighteen, I.
Was like, Sia, and did you start boarding school? Because this is something I'm learning recently. Did you go to boarding school from like age whatever, seven or six? Like you start young?
No, I went to I actually went to school in Switzerland first before I went to boarding school at thirteen, So like twelve, I went to school for a year in Switzerland and went to boarding school at thirteen.
Got it?
That was a you know, that's a big thing in the UK. That a little bit, but it's happens, namely in boys. I think, yeah, I think it's less so now, but it does still happen. It's a very British thing.
It is, and I'm learning that more and more over the years. And you know, for us in the States, it's sort of like wait, shipping our kids off wait, wait what not until college? But but it's a thing. And most of the people I know that grew up in UK went to boarding school. But I you know, and they do it here. I think it's just a
bit later. But okay, so you weren't a student. You were ready to work, You were very ambitious, you were like I also, I mean how I felt was like kind of sick of conforming to what one hundred supposed to do and learn and why I'm not learning about these shapes when I want to learn about bigger things in the world.
It made no sense to me.
Yeah. I was just always really fascinated by the world and adventure and this idea of you know, what's outside of the UK and where travel to. And I think the second I left, I just I went traveling and foremost and went off to South America and India and all these different places with a group of boys hilariously my girl, which was just extraordinary. I don't know I
did that for like six months, but I did. And I learned a lot about myself and learn not about sort of resilience and Chelsea Football Club and sex and yeah, yeah, I was like, I'm a man, this is all I
can talk about. But I was sort of you know, but I managed to see parts of the world that I had never even imagined to see, and it was just so exhilarating and exciting and sort of you know, putting myself into all of these different cultures and worlds and meeting new people, and it was it was stunning.
And your parents were like they were very supportive of this, or did they were?
They like very but like you know this was this was like pre mobiles. Yeah, you know, not so I would I would. I just literally they dropped me off at the airport and off I went, with like a sleeping.
Bag in my backpack for a while.
And would go off, and then every couple of weeks I would send an email being like I'm in you know, we're de Janeiro, or I'm in Ambi in India, or I'm in and I would just give them updates like that was it. So it was kind of It's not like.
And you were eighteen at this point, right, yeah. So so your friends a lot I imagine most of your friends were at university, right, A lot of them. A lot of them are gone to mesty and so at that point, so you're traveling around the world. You're finding yourself I imagine, and growing and learning and everything we do is another step towards like who the hell am I?
Right?
Yeah?
Yeah, and I imagine that's probably a lot of what you were doing and trying to figure out. Okay, like when I grow up and technically I'm grown up, now right, like who.
Like, what do I want to do? Right? So what happens there? Like what?
Like?
Well, so at that point, So when I was seventeen, I went to go watch Kara in her sports day in London and I was maybe sixteen actually, and Sarah Duke is from Store Models, her daughter was in the same class as Kara. She was there and she came up to my mom and she was like, would Poppy be interested in potentially modeling? My mom spoke to you about it, and I thought it was the funniest thing ever because still at this point I was.
Like, I'm word and talm, skinny.
Awkward and again like big eyebags and buckles and just like totally just not in control of myself. I was like, oh, that's so weird. Why the hell would I do that? And so I was like no, I'm good. And then at eighteen, just before I went off on this like sort of this trip that I went on, I went to go see Sara Ducaus one more time and she took some poloids and she was like, go off and do what you need to do. When you come back,
let's talk again. So in the back of my mind I had this sort of thing that I could potentially try modeling. So when I got that was exactly what I did, and we kind of started from there. And let me let me tell you, it was a slow burner. It was not you know, overnight six moments. I was not, Indeed I was. I was not betterdeed I was. I was literally like I did every type of modeling you could possibly imagine. In fact, I was quite a famous foot model. I'll have you know, my feet. Look at these.
I feel like you have beautiful feet.
I feel like they're probably like a perfects I see in or something.
And when they say this is it's not for me, it's my feet. And I had a lot of foot model, but I was literally my best friend was my eight is and an eightyes is like one of those roadmap things that you have in a book. Right. We'd go on every casting audition, go see. I'd have my heels in my bag, my train was on, I'd be on the tube. I'd be tretching around London like there was no tomorrow in the wind and the rain and the snow.
And there's no bigger kick in the ass, by the way than do that.
I mean, you really learn it's a discipline, and you learn about perseverance, and you learn how to get up in the morning and go and do all of those things and then come back and you haven't got anything. And I'm talking like a good year and a half of that where you didn't get anything.
I want to touch on that for a second, because you know, clearly, I think most of the young women in the world look at beautiful people and say, oh, they're genetically blessed, that's why they're a model. Well, there is so much complexity to that, and even today, I think even more complexity to that. But I think in the day when you were starting, there was not a lot of grace, and there was not a lot of kindness, and there was not a lot of you know, being
politically correct or worrying about how somebody's feelings were. And I started, you know, long before you, on the other side, and as a stylist, and I remember a model looking at me and crying and saying, you're the first person that's ever been nice to me, because she looked she was standing there for hours, and I said, I need to give her like a banana, she's going to fall over. And I would walk over to her with like train mix and water and I would be like, and the photographer was.
Like, she's fine, that's what she's paid for. I'm like Jesus Christ and and you know, now animal, it's wild.
And so I do want to touch on that because what I what I think that really probably prepped you for was the world of acting. Because there is modeling, there's rejection I think with anything. I think with acting, with modeling, with singing. The amount of rejection and modeling I think is particularly disheartening because it's based on what you look like at the time. Now, I think a bit more right now, I think.
Actually and how and even and what was even hard about then rate was that you know, this was pre kind of like digital and people sent out having online.
Profiles where they could be like, Okay, this is still models and this is our model. Pop go with your portfolio, with your book, go around, and they would reject you in front of your face, right in front of your face, it's going to be And I'd walk out like I know, or like, oh need actually know. And so you told that six ten times a day, every day, over and over again, like in front, like and it's right there in front of you and you're not being based on
how your performances or how good your voices. You're being based on what you look like, what you came out of the womb looking like that, and take its.
Toll and before retouching, by the way, before we preaching, before filters, before any of that.
You're all that. And then also to get all of the pages in your portfolio, you'd have to like go to these very gritty parts of London and do photo shoots with pretty questionable human beings where you like, I don't want to wear a thong.
You know, I don't trust you, and I don't want to be alone.
So like and you would you know, it was a very intense time in my life and very kind of and very fear of it. I was like, what am I doing? This is this? I don't feel happy? This does not make me feel good about myself. This is not watching for my soul. And I would see sort of other friends who were doing it too, and thank god, we were all such a great support network and Storm an amazing agency, and they were really brilliant. And I remember,
like Alexa, that's why I met Alexa Chum. It was the same thing as me and we would see eachother on the tube and wave to each other on the platform, and you know, there was like a little tribe that was like sort of building, and you know, we had to pay our dues, and you know, a year and a half in or so, stuff started to happen.
I mean, and I think, you know, listen, it's it's one of those things where you know, there's a huge argument to that now, because I don't think people should ever be treated that way or ever put in those positions. But I bet you would on the other side of that probably argue and say. But it also kind of prepped me for the world because you know, you are met with challenge and adversity and things don't.
Really always work out the way you dream that they will.
So I think there's this weird there's because I got my ass kicked when I started working, you know, and I talk about it in this way of like, you know, I was told I was way too nice to ever survive in fashion, I was told like I was, you know, accused of stealing when my boss was stealing. It was like in her drawer and like in her you know what I mean. So like there was so many things, but then I go, you.
Know what, though, it fucking made me.
It gave me my work ethic, It gave me my grit, It gave me my skin.
It gave me like the.
Ability to like almost like function and come out of the womb right like come, it.
Teaches me, taught me so many things exactly that you reach. I feel like even though at the time it was tough and painful, but at the same time, I'm also really and honestly truly grateful for it, because I don't think I would have gone on to do some of the things that I ended up doing without that kind of at this point, nothing would phase me, right, I don't care you don't think I'm pretty. I don't care.
Like it's not. It's totally irrelevant to what I want to do and where I want to be placed in this world.
And so then you so what point do you go, Okay, Like, I'm doing this now, it's going well, right, I've met some great people, I'm having fun. I'm living probably a pretty fun life. Right at that point, it's probably around when I met you, like at the Browbray show, and.
Like exactly it was at that time, Yeah, and I had started doing I was doing a little bit of runway. I was doing sort of campaigns for like a your Homage or like a Butt of thirty. I was starting to work with Schnell and I'd met col and so I had sort of developed close bond with him, and
you know, then you are a whole different stratosphere. And then it was just god, a lot of fun travel and adventures and meeting just brilliant, bold, beautiful people that just who's still to this day I'm so close to like you, and and just sort of forming these really you know, important relationships and wearing insane clothes and you know, running around Paris. Oh my god. It was an absolute It was such a dream that sometimes I can't really believe that it all happened.
And I, you know, that's when I met you.
And I think the thing is you're always one of the most fun people to ever be around. Your energy is so can tages. And like even if a party sucks or a dinner sucks, if Poppy comes, like it's like, we know we're going to have fun, right, Like I just know I'm going to be happy if I'm with you, and we're going to have a great time, right And I think we have like a group of us, right, Like we have a group of us. It's like our safe people in our group that we roll in and whatever.
But at some point you go, Okay, so I'm doing this, I'm living the dream. I'm having the best time. Probably sometimes a little too much fun.
But yeah, you terrible hangovers uff in there.
Yeah, Well, just to feel worth it, I'm going to say it was worth it.
It was so other it was worth it.
At some point you say, okay, I'm going to take a go at acting right, yes, And then what.
Because you know, my dad always loved me when he was like, oh my god, He's like, now that you're in this world that you've taken so many years to build yourself into and you're part of it now. And at this point, I was sort of working with a British fashion council and helping the mix discover and sort of nurture young talent. And I'm doing all of this stuff and it's exactly where I want to be. But I go, oh, you know what, it's not good enough.
I want to start right back at the beginning again and do something where I'm totally out of my comfort zone and put myself right back to the beginning, and I want to be an actor. And my dad's like, oh my god, why can't you just be happy with what you're doing, And I'm like, no, it's not I've
got to keep moving. I got to keep going. So yeah, I suddenly turned around to my agents and I said, I'm off to New York and I want to go to a drama school out there, and I want to, like because I've done a lot of acting at school. And I was like, but this is what I want to do, Like I'm not feeling like i've really I didn't feel like I really belonged enough and what I was doing. And so off I went, and I started that whole new chapter of my life.
Because that's terrifying. Was that scary.
I was at absolutely petrifying because in a way in my mind, I think what I thought, and this is and I don't think I've really said this before, but in my mind, I thought, well, acting a modeling must kind of go hand in hand, and surely there's a way that we can you know, this can all work together, but in all on it doesn't. And so when I started acting, and you know, trying to find an agent who would represent me, and you know, I would start
going to sort of auditions or whatever. You know, no casting director was interested in seeing me because in their minds they were like, well that'st and what she just wants to see if she can like try her hand acting, Like no, I'm not interested, So trying to get my foot in the door. So the kind of modeling career and my kind of career in fashion so to speak,
I thought would open doors and it didn't. So I had to train and I ended up which I wanted to do anyway, which I was doing a lot of on the side, but I got an amazing acting coach. I went to a place in Lonocal Riverside Studios where I did like a year of training and then I was like, okay, these people really need these people to take me seriously because this is actually really what I
want to do. And again it was another couple of years and a bit like the foot modeling, not that I love the foot modeling my life, by the way, I'm not hitting on that, but a few kind of foot modeling jobs in the acting realm, which I hope will never see the light of day, but they probably will somehow, and a few of those before stuff started
to happen. But I had to, you know, really juggle sort of the like honing my craft, like learning to act all that stuff with kind of still trying to make money and stay in the fashion industry and do all that stuff to do what I really wanted to do. And I'm really glad that my sort of perseverance paid off. But it was you know, it wasn't it wasn't plain sailing, but obviously, but that also goes without saying like I was obviously very aware. I obviously did have opportunities that
a lot of other actors wouldn't have had. But even having a modeling agent, by having a backup job that could get me through the process. Like I appreciate that it is it is not easy for anybody. But what I was just trying to explain is that, you know, you always think these two industries go hand in hand and their people too.
People.
I think people do think that. I think people do think that because there is a lot of actor term models, but listen, there's also actor term producer, producers, actor like there are larger sets. It's like stylists becoming designers or makeup artists having you know, becoming entrepreneurs, and you know, I think I think it is, but I also think sometimes it makes it harder, you know, I think sometimes don't make it harder.
And I think this kind of this sort of as you said, like turn designer like make is really I mean this, it's evolved so much. Again, Like you know, however, many years ago, this was like twenty years ago, there was so much of that. Everyone was very much stay in your lane, model and that's what you do. Like now it's like model, influencer, DJ cookbook, the world is your right. You can like everyone can do everybody else's
job they want to do it. But like twenty years ago, it wasn't really it was kind of like no, no, that's what you do and you're going to stick to that. But luckily the world has evolved and now everyone is free and open to do whatever they want. And it's kind of it's I'm not saying it's easier, but it's definitely more kind of I don't know, more not acceptable. What's the word it's no, it is.
I think it's more.
I think it's I think it's more acceptable.
I think it's uh.
People are open to it. People are like Oh my gosh, why would that person be whatever they want to be? Like, change that, change the lane. Everyone was like, oh no, you stick to what you do and you stick in the zone.
And I also want to point out too, because something I really stand behind, because you know, a lot of this whole trend in you know, nepotism, nep bo babies, nepbo this, nepo that, And I want to point out still the rejection and the grit that you did survive and go through and deal with and take the emotional you know, I'm going to say emotional beating on your soul.
You know, because I mean I did, we all did.
It's like, but I like to point that out because I think I actually am a believer that yes, it can be much easier because of people, you know, yes, but I also think it very often works quite the opposite, that people don't want to give you the chance because they're like, it's too easy for them. So you did go to acting school, you did go study. You couldn't just walk in as this beautiful girl and say hey I want to try this and hey look at me, like I can do this.
Okay for a minute. So now on.
Top of your game I think you know obviously always looks stunning. I don't need to touch on that because it's given. But like you have the light, you you shine the light. The light is shining very bright right now for you. I see it in person and even over you know, a computer. So what what happens now? What's next for Pops? What's exciting you? What is what's feeding you right now? It's feeding your soul right now.
I so really at the moment that I mean, I'm starting a new film in a couple of weeks, amazing exciting.
Where's that shooting?
Well, actually in Belgium and Luxembourgs and you're a little independent film that I'm shooting over here, and you're so that would be great. I've never been to either of those places, so and you know me, Bunny, the fact that I can go and live somewhere else for a couple of months is just exciting and discover new cultures and new people. So that's super exciting. But the main thing that I'm also sort of really focusing on at the moment is mine and my sister's prosecco brand a Labete.
I'm a fan.
I'm already a fan Okay, so tell me about that, because I'm obsessed with that already.
Yeah. Well, we so we launched it during COVID, really an ideal time to be launching a brand, but we did because we had all the bottles in place and we'd already been planning it for you know, years on end. So we had to launch, and we did, and it's going wonderfully well. We have three different prosecco's under the Delabte umbrella. It's vegan, it's sustainably created in a beautiful
vineyard in Venice. Actually, so it's called fellow Biane. That's the name of the place, which is technically they see it as prosecco region in Italy, and it's for all the best proseccos. The best proseccos in the world are Italian, of course, of course. What they do that they know their proseccos.
And it was me and my sisters and we decided to sort of start because whenever we were kind of teenagers and in our twenties and whatever, they always seemed to be like a bottle of prosecco on the table, and we were always like, let's bring our own proscco to the.
World, but we'll go see it from Italy because they know what they're doing.
And I altill love that it's prosecco, like I love that you're staying in that, you know, of course.
But we're also we were always, you know, we always felt like we were sort of Italian in another life, and a lot of our early trips would always be in Italy, and we've always kind of celebrated the Italian food and culture and their vibrancy and how sexy they are. And so we were like, let's do our own prosecco. And it's honestly a dream come true. And I'm hoping to kind of expand the business into maybe homeware and see what that takes us further on down the line. So we'll see about that.
Where is it selling primarily? Is it mostly in UK? Is it in the US?
In the UK? And then in the US we're in Miami, New York.
And LA amazing, you guys. It is so good.
If you even if you don't like prosecco, you have to try it. It is actually it's excellent. In fact, now that I'm thinking.
Of it, we have to have it.
I can send you. There's a pale pink one the prosecco rose, and it is so delicious. And what I love to do is literally get a fish bowl, fill it with ice, bottle of dilabute or two, and that's lunch, okay, honestly, and then you're good to go. Your day will fly by and you'll literally be like pulling around on the ceiling by the end of it. But it's great.
You are my favorite person.
Well, I send you bottles of it, with fish bowls, with bags of ice.
And I have to have it at our events too. I have to start making you. I have to start screaming.
It at the top of the canyons here, top of the mountains, Not the canyons, but.
The top you know what I mean.
On that note, in my bowl of prosecco with ice, in my double of prosecco with ice. I love you so much. I'm so excited for this chapter. I'm so excited to watch you win continue to win, and you know, I just love the shit out of you and I just root for you always. And a fun fact that I would like to share, given that you are convinced you look like Pippy Long stalking as a kid.
You looked awkward as a child.
There is one of my favorite team members, absolutely beautiful, not She's been with me, I think almost nine years and when she started and I said, I was going out to meet you at an event or something at dinner and she said to me, you.
Know Poppy Delavine.
I said yes, and she said, She's like, I want to look like her. I want to be her. I think she's the coolest, happiest, She's my person. And I want you to know this girl is not someone who cares about celebrity. She's cool, she's beautiful, she's fashionate, she's all the things and does she's even have Instagram. And you were like her person. So I want you to know that I know that you have the middle child. I'm the awkward, I'm the whatever and whatever, But like, I just want you to know, oh.
Person belong stockings together sounds like a plan to me.
You're also my person. I love you.
You are my person mate. Thank you for.
A huge thank you to the sweetest, most beautiful, best ever, huge hearted Poppy Delavine for coming on the pod, and thank you all for listening to Climbing in Heels. I'm so excited for all that Poppy is about to do this next chapter, and you know all that is to come for her and her beautiful family. And you know, I really loved how candid Poppy was. I really love keeping it very real on climbing and heels. I love talking about the sort of emotional effects of the different
stages of our career journeys. I also like to point out things that are assumed about people that I don't think is necessarily always fair to judge, especially people you don't know. And you know, Poppy is clearly put in the work, and she's dealt with a lot of rejection.
She's you know, she's.
Done the grit and you know, and she's not afraid of starting over, and she's not afraid of adventure, and she's not afraid to, you know, close her eyes and jump and really just start over again. And I think that takes a lot, because that's not something I love to do.
I really don't.
I like to go forward, going back to me is always more challenging. But as always, don't forget to write a review. Wherever you get your podcasts. I love reading them. And while you're at it, follow me on at rachel Zo and at Climbing Inhales Pod on Instagram for more updates and upcoming guests episodes and I will see you next week, U