Briony Raymond: Hollywood's Fine Jewelry Atelier

Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour, inspiration and fun. My guest today is a newer friend of mine, but it feels like I've known her honestly for my whole life. Briannie Raymond is a fine jewelry attilie, and her expertise in creating some of the most exquisite jewelry has made

I grew up in Connecticut, and I actually went to boarding school quite young. My family, ever, always says, oh, why did you get sent to boarding school?

I like, no, no, it was a good thing. I swear I wanted to go.

I come from, you know, a long line of boarding school kind of kids and my family and that sort of independence and autonomy and headed up, you know, sort of being off on your own from an early age.

How old? How old I was fourteen?

So whenever people talk about, you know, college being their first foray into sort of an independent sense of running their schedule and getting their things done and all of that, I said, oh, well, you know, college for me was a breeze because boarding school was not. You know, I sort of figured out at fourteen, and so I sort of I grew up there. And my dad actually was English, so we spent summers in England, and all my cousins and nanties and grannies and everything was all sort of

I don't want to be weird.

Why are we always a museums and like and then verse as I got older, I was like, wait a minute, that was incredible and I'm so lucky to have had an experience.

But you know, so I'd say it was a little bit of a little bit of a gypsy.

Yeah.

Moved around a lot, lived lots of different places, and I never actually lived at home again. After my freshman year a boarding school, actually went to go live with a dear friend of mine for the summer and we lived in Atherton, and we had summer jobs and hung out with her family, and that was literally from that point on, I never went home again. So I actually have never spent any time like at home in the sort of common definition of that with parents since then.

Yeah, actually true. That So from fourteen, which is about how old my eldest son is, you're telling me my son that can't pick out his clothes nor make scrambled eggs that I made for him this morning before school, you were basically figuring out your life from that point. And listen, I think for you, for Europeans, boarding school is part of the upbringing. I think it is a very big East Coast thing. Here on the West Coast, when you say you're sending your child to boarding school,

Right? And I know for us it was always, you know, it was of course, I was such a you know, I was so lucky to be able to go I went.

To Hotchkiss Go Bearcats.

I was lucky to be lucky to be at Hotchkiss and truly my very very very best friends to this day are the women with whom I lived. I mean we sort of like created our own little families together. You know, if you're suddenly thrust into this world of sink or swim and you either show up for class

To show up, do the thing.

Say you're going to do it, you show up beyond time, follow your own commitments. Just show up and boarding like boarding, school, college, life, whatever you want to apply that to. I think it really early on taught me about following through on commitments and sticking to some sort of schedule and making sure you're beholden not to someone telling you what to do, but to yourself. Yes, you really have to take that control, and that was amazing.

So I'm like, where did I grow up?

Well, lots of places right all over the place, right, the common being me because there wasn't like a lot of there was never really family around me.

So so then what happens? You went to college?

Are now? Yes?

Where?

Well it's funny I did, but I had two very different college experiences. I went first to Rollins and Rollins College Raleigh Colley Country Club is.

The school, real sort of funny name.

And I actually I went to Rollins because it felt familiar, small middle art school in winter Park, Florida. A lot of you know, my fellow sort of New York Palm Beache whatever Northeast friends had spent time there. It always seemed like a really lovely school, small class size. And then I got there and again, imagine this whole sort of boarding school thing. You had to go to class, you had to show up. I was flabbergasted by how many kids who were there found it so hard to show up.

And I got through the thing welcome to college, Yes, this.

Is what we're here for, right, and I was like, you know, anyway, So it was a really really great place to spend a couple of years.

It was wonderful.

In full transparency, I will say I was probably had a little more fun than I should have, and I decided I should move to a place it was also better served to my love of fine art and art history and all the things, which of course led me to Paris. So I ended up transferring to school in Paris, and I went to AUP and every division I all the time people say to me, They'll.

Say, oh Paris, oh the SBA. Like no AUP. My classes were in English.

I was not definitely not provision enough in French to learn at a university level in French. So we did have for wed to have four levels of French by the time we graduated. And my parents wanted me to have, you know, obviously a full, rich, wonderful education, but with the caveat with transferring, which was I could only do university for four years. So how tempting the like seven year plan is when you're living in Paris.

Yes, but yeah, it was very yeah, and many of them.

But I was not not afforded that luxury, and so my parents said, you know, finish in four years whatever you have to do. So I ended up doing I switched my major to art history extraordinary. My love of you know, beautiful things and textures and colors and all the things was really fed in that environment.

I got to do classes at you know, Muse d'lsei and the Louver, and I mean it was the dream.

It's actually the dream.

The dream, like the actual dream of like all you feel most stimulated by is design and art and culture. To be able to go to school there was amazing. So I ended up graduating from AP in four years. Well wow, four years all the school combined, it.

Was wow wow. Okay, so then what have how do you get into Like I remember you telling me you had a totally different career prior to Jules, Right.

I did, I did?

And again this is I mean, as somebody who didn't spend a lot of time physically living with my parents, they clearly got an enormous influence on it.

By the way, I want to talk about that for a second. I think that's really interesting because you know, I think as a Jahansan parent that I am and that I know you are, Like, yeah, I know for both of us, like the concept of shipping your young children away is bizarre, but yet I know so many people that you and I please no judgment, because I

I think that delivers yummy mothering can be just as active.

I say, I hope, yeah.

But that's why I'm saying it's interesting because you clearly have gone the other way and and and but yet look at the profound impact it had on your drive, your ambition, your success. And I know there's obviously slip ups along the way. There always are, and as you said, by the time you got to college, you were like, let this fall up the wagon right now. I need, I need, I need to deregulate for a couple of years.

And by the way, I had I had Streetd's.

So just for the record, of course, I mean I just show up, oh oh in college just you're physically there, apparently just for a lot.

Yeah, but I do. I want to talk about showing up because it's something that I like to talk about a lot, because it's the one thing that I think anyone in my life would always say, like, Rachel, you always show up for people. You always show up for your friends. You always But here's the thing. I want to argue that that's should be a given. That shouldn't be an accolade, that should be that should be a given. I don't understand.

I can literally hear my wonderful ly departed dad saying to me, why should you or why should one be

We do the thing, we do.

That so important and it's I'm totally with you. So yes, it is a very important thing to me.

Is and I try and tell sort of young people that I mentor now it's like the value of doing what you say and the value of showing up for people. By the way, showing up for a boss that you hate still is important, you know. I really want to touch on on your ability to continue to show up and learning that at a young age and how valuable that is in your career. Okay, So you graduate the American University of Paris, you go, Okay, you major in art history. But I believe didn't you do finance first?

You didn't make it up.

And it sounds as if it were because it's so ridiculous, But my trajectory is.

Not as ridiculous. As me doing finance, I assure.

You highly unconventional my trajectory. But again back to these wonderful parents of mine who had such enormous influence on me, and their four year plan for me, not their seven year plan, which was once I graduated.

They had said, you know, we've done.

All we can to give you the most and they did the best education we possibly can, the you know, most amazing experiences that we possibly could to set you up to be on your own twenty two years old, to go out into the world and be a productive, functioning member of society. Right.

That was so they're like, okay, go for you.

Yeah, I know, but also if you're twenty fourth on your terrorist list in Paris, terrified but madly in love with a city in which I had become.

Very comfortable living, didn't want to leave.

And the truth was they they completely cut me off. I mean again with I say, this is like at the time, you could imagine being like my god mean cruel parents.

I just want to, you know, be a gallery called Tough Lafe.

Yeah, And they said, well, excuse me, They said, well, if you want to stay in Paris, figure it out, go do get a job that can allow you to stay there and in France and mostly you know, in Paris in general, the entry level jobs in major corporations. I can't speak to trade jobs as which I don't know, but I obviously am banking and an architecture and any sort of roles like that. You start with what's called a stage. A stage is basically an internship. So the first year in theory after graduation.

Every time a stage, you know who pays banks thanks.

So I said, okay, well, if I want to stay in Paris and I need to be able to support myself to make this possible, why don't I go into finance. And you know, so many people with whom I worked, and I was sorry, with whom I you know, spent time and family, friends and people I really admired and respected. Of course, to finance, well, I know all these wonderful, lovely, kind people who work in this world.

I mean, I didn't figure this out. I want to stay in Paris.

And it's like it was such a sort of me thing in the sense of I really really wanted something, and so I was like, well, I'll figure it out, right, I'll make it up. I will will myself into being in a bank with a paid stash, I.

Will stay in there.

And I was lucky enough to have a really great job offered to me. Actually having at the time an EU passport also really helped back to having the dad, the English dad. So I was really lucky able to be hired by a French company. I worked for associateatione AHA. I was with Femats, which is their derivative brokerage ARM and I was able to get this job which typically I obviously not to get into all the rules and

One else spoke English.

I mean, of course they spoke English, but nobody was a true English speaker, the beautiful English, but not native I had. It was the wildest like entree into a world that I mean to say, I felt like unqualified, sort of to a like a level you it's like hard to explain. I literally went from like student in Paris art history, the Louver bar, you know, clubbing and platine, to like, oh, I'm a banker. Now I'm like incredibly intelligent, like esteemed people and.

Was it all men? Was it all men?

It wasn't actually mostly men, mostly men? Where were some wonderful, wonderful women. I could also say it was as a how do I say? It's a very perky American, high energy American who genuinely like really loves to work, and I mean I really love to work. That was also a little bit of an interesting moment to have a lot of grown ups whom I again looked up to and reported to sort of say.

Like, relax, take it down a notch, right, you don't have to how many hours go home?

And I'd be like, no, no, no, Like I want to be here, I want to learn. This is all new for me. So I ended up having it was an amazing experience. And then from there I again sort of tried. I was like, I had this finance thing. I have to figure it out, because it wasn't I really enjoyed being in a communications department, but I realized that there was this other incredible world we worked really closely with a lot of brokerage houses. So I ended up being hired away by Man Financial and I was

That would like never happen. Now you have to have like finance major, You've got to go to you you have to get your MBA. You've got to get like you have to major in finance. You have to have ten interns ships prior. Like it's so wild.

I'm so grateful. You want to know actually that you didn't even have not like I.

Miss that, by the way, Like I miss that you can do that, Like I didn't, by the way, I didn't go to fashion school. Like now, it's just it's so different, Like I missed the days of just pulling people in that they thought were stars and that were great.

Well, one of the proudest accomplishments of my life, which I swear was harder than probably anything other than maybe childbirth, which was the FSA regulations. So the one thing I did have to have was obviously it's the equivalent of like Series seven or Series sixty three in the States, but obviously the Financial Services Authority in England had its own set of regulatory you know exercises through which you had to go take the tests.

It was so fucking hard.

I've never literally never been challenged the way that I was with this because I was learning an entirely new vernacular, right, this is like a language I didn't speak, and it was so gratifying to actually pass first time and to like get all of these different sort of regulatory you know, things that permitted me to actually legally be able to trade and to prove people wrong who sort of were like, you know, definitely had a few sort of like.

Oh what is she doing here?

Why were you alone? Like el Woods. It was like a little like legally bland thing where they were like actually like they were like oh, they were like is she okay? Like does she really think she's going to be able to do this?

Nice? And then it was literally me like what loo, it's hard but it was so hard. Ache, it was so hard, but I did it.

I did it, and that was probably like again my next thing of like I really want this and I can do hard things, like let me figure it out. So I figured it out. But anyway, finance was the FX thing was also really hard. But I ended up moving to New York, and funnily enough, my last job in finance I can see out my window. I'm on fifty seventh in Madison as Wolly. My last job in finance was there, and I was a I worked in private wealth management and work for a fund of funds with family offices.

Wow.

So I was like, Okay, three different markets, three different facets of finance, this is all kind of like not bringing me joy. It's interesting and intellectually stimulating, but like not joyful.

Yeah, so I ended up. But that was my That was my career before my jewelry career.

And then what and then your first jewelry career was vancleeve or no Wednesday which vanguiv.

So fifty seventh.

Yeah, Literally I can see my last finance job through one window and my first how I got into jewelry out my other window, and I'm right on the corner. So it's this wild kind of confluence of my world's colliding that my talier where I'm talking to you here is right in between my two worlds on the seventh floor. I mean, I don't know how it's getting into like numerology and everything. But it's it is interesting, the sort of why way the universe can throws some some funny things at you.

But yes, I was very lucky to get to work at Bankleefland our Pells.

So I think it's important to talk about that because then you end up in luxury jewelry. I was on the other side of that luxury jewelry, like I had private clients, I had my club clients. I was pulling from archives and whatever. It's a world that I have been long in love and obsessed with. Probably could work in that if I quit whatever I was doing now, just because.

It's anything you are, Rachel.

You don't want to know what I couldn't do finance.

Yours.

I mean nope, nope, like like a like a black automatic blackout shade goes down in my brain the minute I'd start looking at numbers, It's like what. But I would venture to say that all of that experience absolutely helped you every minute of every day of how you built your current business. I tell anyone who will listen from any mountaintop, I can stand on that learning fashion or like entering fashion without any knowledge of business and how it works and some finance and how money works.

I'm very lucky that the experience that I had there was what it was. I also think to your point of the more traditional path now that I think so many people need to take from well I say need I guess feel that they need to or you know, environmentally sort of felt like it needs to be the way of having a formal training in something, then going into that field, then perhaps having a specialty.

Then.

The coolest thing about going from Van Cleef, sorry, going from finance to Van Cleef, there's so many things about it that are so cool. But for me, if you imagine almost having a blank slate, like, of course I have a colloquial understanding of jewelry.

My mother loves jewelry. I've always loved jelry. I love beautiful things like fine, but.

Like a formal training and jewelry I did not have when I was offered this unbelievable opportunity to be at Van Cleef. So imagine learning everything there is to know about a really specific niche world from arguably, I would say, one of, if not the top house in the world. You know, it's like learning clothing working at you know, a York COATORI.

Or in Paris with like the part it was world like.

We to learn about diamonds, I was being taught by you know, people who'd been at Van Cleef buying the most important stones for the most important house for thirty years. When it came to watchmaking, we were like in Geneva, like watching watches be made. When it came to the you know, mystery setting, we were literally standing which is you know, the invisible at Rubies.

Standing in the.

Workshop in Paris in place vendor watching. You know, one of two people in the world do how to do it. They're like, here's what this is. And it was to learn well and also, you know, missagu like the way things are made way, you know, the Romance House, the heritage of a brit all of this. But because I had a sort of blank slate, so to speak, I hadn't sort of been in a wholesale diamond role.

In a different brand.

And all of my training was with this incredibly rarefied house where I was able to have access to such extraordinary mentors and teachers. And it was a spectacular way to learn about something, obviously about which I'm wildly excited and passionate.

Even talking about it, I'm starting to be.

Like, yeah, I get it, I get it. I've seen it be done, I've seen stones beset. And it was like watching I mean, it was like watching science Like it was literally just the most amazing thing ever. And so how long were you there? How long were you at Vancleef?

I was there for almost ten years And yeah, and I was actually in I was in the fifth Avenue boutique in hyjewelry sales, and it was I used to explain, it was like a cocktail party all.

Day, but not really.

It was sort of like getting to all day talk to people, get to know people while you're talking and showing them like the most extraordinarily beautiful jewelry, but also it's the people. It's so cheesy, but you know me, I love people. I love getting to know but I love we mean, you know, hearing their stories and the extra energy and what brought them in and what you know, what sad thing, what happy thing?

What the intimacy and the sort of personal nature.

The psychology of yes, I mean, my god, it gets we go deep. It's and it's it's a privilege, you know, how lucky to get to have people open up about some so many things that are so personal. And also when I think about jewelry from that perspective, I mean, it's it's sitting on your skin, you know, it's like on your body. It's like those talismans are. It's so intimate. So that was Fanklee.

It was incredible. That was an incredible time in my life.

And so what gives you the uh like actual courage to be like in I'm going to go and do my own like that's because people ask me that a lot, like how did you go freelance at twenty five, and I'm like, I don't know. I just closed my eyes and jumped. I don't know what to say, Like, so, was it the same kind of feeling a little bit?

It's funny that you say it that it's funny that that's what you your response. It's so true because I often get asked it in a slightly different way, which is, you know, my clients are friends or Whomember will say, wasn't it so.

Scary to lead leaf? And I'll say, what what do you mean?

Right, I'll say, well, how did you have the You know, it must have been terrifying, because you know, I'm very lucky I did well there. I had to wonder if it was a very comfortable, happy environment with obviously hugely supported,

Also a gift. Also a gift, by the way, also a gift. What if you make the wrong decision? How do you deal with that?

I figure it out?

I always there's always a way, And in fact, by the way, there certainly when things go a little bit sideways, which of course they do, or all the time, my first question is have we fix them right?

There's always a way. There's always a way.

I also always tell my team there's never until we have all of the information. It's not necessarily the wrong decision. So sometimes I'm like, initially something can present as perhaps not the.

Best right right.

To actually gather all the facts, gather all the information, and then let's figure it out.

Okay, there's always there's always.

So do you ever deal with regret or like getting mad at yourself? Because I deal with that.

That's a really good question. I think I probably am more critical of myself, I guess than I will be. But also that's what drives me. Yeah, like I feel like, so do I feel regret? Not necessarily, I guess, you know, And actually the only thing I ever really feel regret about is not being able to be in two places at the same.

Time, saying that's something yeah, well, especially when you're in a service business where you're providing clients and they want you present, and it's really hard, as we witnessed last week, as we saw Oops.

Literally, yes, I take what I do obviously being in client service, I take, you know, my client's happiness and satisfaction and their experience with me and with my brand, like I hold it so here, I care so very much. I also obviously am a mother of two boys, I am a wife, I am a daughter, I am a friend, I am an aunt, I am you know.

It's so that's to me.

I think the biggest regret ever is that if I was one place, I couldn't have been in the other place, Like I always want.

To be every all the time, and that's tough to manage.

And why did you so, what ultimately was the driver for you to be Like Nope, jumping out of my own like what actually were you? Just like I feel I've done all I can here and it's time or what was the empetus.

There were two, i'd say two really clear catalysts for this change, one being I had become a mother in the middle of all of this. So my eldest who is now eleven, his name is Reese, so Reese too, and at the time of the sort of decision, and you could imagine obviously being in a client service business that is non traditional in terms of hours.

Obviously, if it's christ even missus Smith wants to see me, well, Christmas plans be dammed, and of course I would be there.

Of course, you show up that hole if you're going to do something, to do it all the way.

So that was really I found. It started to just.

Be really really challenging to not have control over my schedule in a way that I could also show up the very best way I.

Could for my clients.

So even about of course I could have had flexible schedule, of course, but then I would have been letting people down meeted me not have a flexible So that was one thing, and then really the biggest piece of all of it was feeling like there was more that I could do to meet the needs of my clients as pertained to the various aspects of the jewelry world that currently aren't present when one is obviously representing one.

Of course, of course you wanted to diversify for your clients. Yeah, bring them everything, literally, like the best of everything, and whether that's estate, vintage Cartier or Tiffany or whatever or custom Briany or blah blah blah. Right, Okay, I got it. That makes that makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, And I wanted to be able to you know, both sort of flex my or scratch my design itch which I'd always been very creative person, always had, you know, sort of my own things, you know that I was working on from a design perspective, but it was also as someone who always say, I'm like a little greedy with my love of jewelry in the sense of.

I love all of it.

I love jar I love Cartier, I love unsigned Retro, I love antique Victorian, I love brand new chunky gold that I designed and made. I also, you know, want you came to me and said, I'd like, you know, a birthstone medallion for my baby boys.

And every single day, every single day, I sleep in it.

Aurora Zodiac medallion looks so good on you.

I love it so much. I love it so much, and it is just I like hold it while I talk to you know, like I just I play with it. It's just the best. But but I but I also I think I think that, you know, with the risk of sounding like a grandmother like I, I you really weirdly remind me a lot of myself as a stylist. Meaning I see the way you light up when you talk about what you do. There's a clear, over like

Like? You know.

But also I think it's it is that, you know, I compare it to when I was styling and you know, certain design houses wanting me to work only for them. It was never an option for me because I was like, I need to touch all of it, I need to pull all of it, you know. And I think it's I think it's I don't know. I think it's the

Correct, So true, No, it's absolutely true. It's like out of the frying pan into the fire, right the phrases.

So, how do you deal with that? How do you deal is that? Do you find the struggle with being a really hard working but really hands on mom, because it's real.

It is quite literally my greatest greatest struggle ever in my life is reconciling.

The sincere.

True I feel like I can't emphasize enough like passion and gratification and confidence and pure visceral joy I get from building this brand and working with my clients and being surrounded by beautiful jewelry and being trusted with these incredibly intimate personal projects with the most incredible people ever.

And at the same time.

Obviously, nothing ever, possibly could matter more to me than those boys, and it is so I literally I don't think that there's like a cliche in the world that I haven't heard, you know, for better or for worse again, of people saying or it's you know, God, it's like it's so hard. I have so many like thoughts and feelings that all are so it's like waves crashing against each other. This like hide of almost like competing conflicting

We both worked in the city.

He sold his business a few years ago and you know, sort of COVID adjacent and all of that. He was in the advertising world, and having him there really helps. Having their grandparents live two houses away my kids, they have the same I always call our nanny or their

I'll do it. I want it in the twenty minutes of snuggle time. Again.

I know I'm being to this snuggling preaching to the choir here, but having that time like I eke out every single second I can, and it is so divine to have that time with them, and I also it is so divine to have this incredible world that I that I work in and love and brings me so much joy.

And you, honestly, you don't have to choose. It's just as women, that's just what we live with. It just is it just is you literally want to be all things to both and I think, but I think you're doing it beautifully and I think that you know, I love watching you when it makes me happy. I'm excited to see as you, lady, I'm excited to see what's what's next for you? What so like what is the

Like?

Do you want to lean more into your own? Do you want to keep it like equal?

Do you like?

What do you or don't you even? You just take it day by day and you just take it as it comes, like well, because that's okay too, But I mean, I'm curious.

No, it's it's it's a wonderful question, I feel like, because everything is so intense and so prenetic, and we're literally I'm always sort of moving at such a fast pace.

I also always laugh that I.

Can only ever deal I'm sure my team finds it less funny, but bless them for being so extraordinarily supportive. But I literally only deal with this what's like right in front of me as it's happening the same And I think that's part right, And I say, that's why you and I are both all same so.

So present, so ourselves so decisive.

But also it's sometimes it's one of those thingsverson's like, well, what about the thing in three hours?

I can't tell you. I can't tell you, not that.

I'll know. I'll know in three hours. I will.

I will figure it out, I swear. But yes, I think the plan would be to keep doing what I'm doing. And I really, I really feel I don't know's I would love to have, like a really eloquent response to this.

There isn't one a lot of the time, truthfully, I mean I don't just one.

I just yes, I guess.

I would be so so happy if I could tell you any year in five years and ten years that I still feel as excited and invigorated and creatively inspired as I do now. It has never waned yet. As I sit touching, knocking on wood, I designed to in my sleep. I designed jewelry while I'm ching my makeup. I designed jewelry while I'm talking to people. I also am always thinking about, you know, when I go to vintage shows, for instance, I'll think about a piece that I saw four years ago.

When you call me and you're like, heybe of course I'm thinking.

I want nineteen sixties Tuba gossp but I'd like it to have you know, pink staffires in the front.

And I'm like, there was that piece four yars ago, but.

By the way, I mean this year's Oscars. I think. I text you like I'm thinking like black white, Emerald, Da da da, like I don't even remember. And you were like like this and I was like, yeah, like that exactly.

Jewelry so well, my mag I spirit animal.

The two of us about seventeen pieces of jewelry all at the same time.

Would you say in the business your like your best spoke collections are like, what is it thirty percent to seventy vintage in a state or is it fifty fifth? Like how are you?

It's actually it's wild. It's exactly fifty to fifty and you know, it's so wild, not by and this has been year after year. It's so crazy. And I every time we talk about, you know, with our accountants, and honestly, as much as yes, I am a numbers person, yes, I weirdly do also have a business brain. I actually don't day to day pay much attention to like skills and this and that. I'm really focused more on getting

I love advice. I also at the end of the day we.

Say, like my decisions you can tell me all you want, but like I will make my own decisions.

It would be really hard to choose.

And both, thankfully and half continuous play equal equal roles in the business.

Well, I love you a whole lot. I loved having you on. I love keeping it real, and I love watching you continue to win and I will continue to wear and I will continue to be dripping and Brian Raymond for the rest of.

My Oh, thank you for the support. Thank you for having me on my very first podcast.

I mean, I love you. I'm so glad it was your That's so exciting.

I love it.

I love you madly.

I love you, babe.

Thank you so much to Briani for coming on the pod today. She's so smart and so glamorous. Again, I hate to sound like a grandparent, but she reminds me of myself as a stylist, where someone would ask me a question about a designer, why I loved a certain trend or why I love fashion, and it was like I couldn't stop spewing. Why my eyes would light up, my whole body would get up straight. I would have this like huge East to West smile on my face