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Clever with Amy Devers

Clever is an award-winning, independent podcast that offers a window into the humanity behind the design of the world around us.

In each episode, designer Amy Devers has candid and revealing conversations with the visionaries, culture-makers, and creative forces who shape our world and inform our society. Through a disarming mix of raw candor and honest shop-talk, Clever peels back the layers to unearth the gritty, authentic and sometimes surprising details of their creative paths.


Clever Confidential is Clever’s offshoot series where we dig into the lesser told stories of the darker side of design; the shadowy, sometimes sordid, tales hiding under a glossy top coat of respectable legacy.


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Episodes

Ep. 162: Building a Colorful Second Act with Illustrator Yuko Shimizu [Rebroadcast]

Illustrator Yuko Shimizu was born in Tokyo, Japan and began drawing from an early age. As a preteen, her family moved from Japan to the US, a huge culture shock that included learning an entirely new language and navigating social norms in 7th grade. This experience gave her an even deeper love for drawing - something that transcends any language barrier. After college, Yuko spent 11 years at a prestigious corporate PR firm in Japan before she decided to pursue her lifelong dream. At 34, she enr...

Sep 26, 20231 hr 5 minEp. 162

Ep. 198: 2x4’s Co-Founder Georgie Stout on Message Over Medium

Designer and 2x4 co-founder Georgianna Stout lived in Paris before the bumpy transition to the US for elementary school. Unhappy at school, she graduated early and tried on Parsons for fashion design, but it wasn’t the right fit. At RISD, she found her people. The next few years were filled with deep connections, growth, and joy; eventually leading to a fruitful collaboration with her co-founders and the formalization of 2x4. Now 30 years in, 2x4 has grown to a team of 50 and has earned a stella...

Sep 19, 20231 hr 22 minEp. 198

Ep. 197: Clever Extra - The Romance of Creative Alchemist Bryan Costello

Designer Bryan Costello grew up in an idyllic small town in North Carolina, obsessed with soccer. A self-described “hopeless romantic” he found school a bore and felt that life really began once he left college and moved to Raleigh. He dabbled in graphic design, worked in restaurants, and enjoyed his freedom. Then, he got the job that changed everything - in an antique shop. Since then, he’s opened a retail concept with epic parties, created a deeply moving and insightful fictional magazine, tra...

Sep 12, 20231 hr 1 minEp. 197

Ep. 196: Bradley L. Bowers on the Magic of Blending Technology and Craft

Bradley L. Bowers spent his youth hanging in the basement with Grandma Dorothy while she upholstered furniture. Always outspoken, in High School he found that only the art teachers embraced his questioning of the status quo. A fruitful spell at SCAD earned him Industrial & Furniture Design degrees + loads of skills, but it’s by tuning his antenna to the ‘little Yodas everywhere’ that he gathers his wisdom. Images, links and more from Bradley on cleverpodcast.com! Clever is hosted and produce...

Sep 05, 20231 hr 11 minEp. 196

Ep 100: Designer & Queer Eye Star Bobby Berk [Rebroadcast]

We're taking the summer off to recharge our creative batteries. Enjoy one of our favorite episodes from the archives and we'll return with new episodes in September. Interior designer and star of Netflix’s Queer Eye, Bobby Berk grew up in the rural south, feeling like an outsider. Before coming out as gay, he struggled with anger, depression and tension with his religious family. After running away from home and coming out, he made a break for Denver, and then NYC. Always designing opportunities...

Aug 29, 20231 hr 4 minEp. 100

Ep. 190: Germane Barnes Practices Architecture with the Prowess of a Winning Point Guard [Rebroadcast]

Germane Barnes knew he’d be an architect at age 6, before he even knew what that meant. Growing up playing basketball, he honed skills he now deftly deploys in his creative practice. After a tumultuous period spurred by devastating loss, he has taken the architecture world by storm. He’s swept the most prestigious prizes and is poised to become one of the most notable architects of our lifetime. Images, links and more from Germane on cleverpodcast.com! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers...

Aug 22, 20231 hr 7 minEp. 190

Ep. 104: Graphic Designer & Artist Paula Scher [Rebroadcast]

We're taking the summer off to recharge our creative batteries. Please enjoy revisiting this episode from our archives! Graphic designer Paula Scher grew up drawing pictures to escape a turbulent home life. Later, rebelling against suburban existence, she ventured to art school and became a hippie, and then art directed album covers in NYC. She’s been a partner at Pentagram since ‘91. In her ~50 years in the business she has blazed trails, upended boys’ clubs, committed “typographical blasphemy,...

Aug 15, 202355 minEp. 104

Ep. 64: Justina Blakeney [Rebroadcast]

We're taking some time off this summer to recharge our creative batteries. Enjoy this classic Clever episode and we'll be back with fresh interviews this fall! Designer, artist, author and influencer Justina Blakeney, spent her youth teaching art to abused/neglected teenage girls at a residential treatment program run by her parents, where she witnessed the healing power of art and kindness. After formative years in Switzerland and Italy, she settled in Los Angeles and harnessed the Internet to ...

Aug 08, 20231 hr 28 minEp. 64

Ep. 195: Clever Extra - Beyond Boomerang: Peeking Beneath the Surface of Era-Defining Patterns

On this Clever Extra, we peek under the surface of the most defining patterns of the last century. Formica is a decorative laminate so ubiquitous its patterns have come to serve as a record of history and visual representation of our collective consciousness through the years. Meghan Howell, Creative Director with Formica, and Art Director and Editor of the book Beyond Boomerang: A Celebration of 110 Years of Formica Patterns by Shawn Patrick Tubb, takes us on the Formica team’s investigative mi...

Aug 01, 202337 minEp. 195

Ep. 136: Airbnb CEO Brian Chesky [Rebroadcast]

We're taking the summer off to recharge our creative batteries. Please enjoy some of our favorite episodes and we'll be back in the fall with more fantastic Clever episodes! Airbnb Co-Founder & CEO, Brian Chesky, grew up playing hockey and asking Santa for poorly designed toys so he could redesign them. A self-described “peculiar” kid obsessed with art, no one pegged him as a future CEO. He studied industrial design at RISD where he also met his future business partner. After soaring global ...

Jul 25, 20231 hr 7 minEp. 136

Ep. 7: Terry Crews [Rebroadcast]

OK, first of all, we know the question you're asking: why are we talking to Terry Crews on a design podcast? We first spotted him on the scene during this year's Milan Design Week and then again in NYC for NYCxDesign... and that got us thinking the same question as you—what's he doing hanging around the design scene? Well... besides being a former NFL linebacker, and an actor, writer, and many other things, Terry Crews is also a talented artist and a design patron. As you can imagine, we were ex...

Jul 18, 202359 minEp. 7

Ep. 165: Talking Shop with Podcast Powerhouse Avery Trufelman [Rebroadcast]

Brooklyn-based podcaster Avery Trufelman has radio in her DNA. Her parents met while working at WNYC, so from birth she was nurtured with love and appreciation for radio. As a teenager, Avery took to expressing herself through wild, quirky thrifted fashion ensembles, much to the confusion of her peers. After cutting her audio teeth in college radio, Avery submitted a midnight application to intern at 99% Invisible and moved across the country to work in a closet with Roman Mars in beautiful down...

Jul 11, 20231 hr 12 minEp. 165

Ep. 84: Streetwear Designer Bobby Hundreds [Rebroadcast]

Streetwear designer Bobby Hundreds grew up as a minority of a minority, being both Korean-American and into the socal skate punk scene. He loved to draw, but was not encouraged to pursue the arts so he got a law degree instead. When he started The Hundreds with a classmate, it took off like a rocket and he learned to fight like both an underdog and a champion. With the soul of a storyteller, he uses his voice—zines, blog, film, book—to champion the streetwear ecosystem. Images and more from our ...

Jul 05, 20231 hr 8 minEp. 84

Ep. 194: IIDA CEO Cheryl Durst on Communicating the Value of Design

Only child Cheryl Durst grew up with a tribe of imaginary friends at her side. Her scientist mom and professor dad encouraged this, since it helped with her stutter and soothed her loneliness. A deep love of learning and art pulled her to the Smithsonian museums to work as an educator, before joining IIDA over 25 years ago! At the helm of IIDA, she’s moved interior design forward, as a profession and as a value to society. Images, links and more from Cheryl! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy ...

Jun 27, 20231 hr 5 minEp. 194

Ep. 193: Raphael Navot on Non-Industrial Design and Mending the Non-Spoken

Multidisciplinary designer, Raphael Navot, grew up in homes built by his dad, inventing creative escapist activities with his siblings. After the success of Silencio, a Paris nightclub collaboration with David Lynch, he did the opposite of what many expected - turned down the flood of offers and took time off to reconnect with himself and his purpose. Many notable projects later, he remains deeply rooted in a practice informed by curiosity, care and intention. Images, links and more from Raphael...

Jun 13, 202359 minEp. 193

Ep. 192: Maria Giudice on Creative Leadership and Cultivating Changemakers

Creative powerhouse, Maria Giudice, grew up on Staten Island painting portraits of dogs. Teens ushered in the wonderfully weird world of Rocky Horror Picture Show and the flourishing of her wildly independent, creative spirit. In the Bay Area she founded Hot Studio, a pioneering human-centered experience design practice. Now she’s harnessing all her wisdom and experience to cultivate changemakers. Images, links and more from Maria! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing by Ri...

May 30, 20231 hr 9 minEp. 192

Ep. 191: Rodolfo Agrella Uses Laughter as a Powerful Design Tool

Multidisciplinary designer, Rodolfo Agrella, grew up in Venezuela with a happy place at a kid-sized table. A self-described weirdo and excellent dancer, he put it all to work as a social butterfly. Now at the helm of an award-winning studio designing products, interiors and experiences, he’s on a steady and colorful streak translating the vibrancy of the tropics into a universal design language. Images, links and more from Rodolfo! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing by Ri...

May 16, 202359 minEp. 191

Ep. 190: Germane Barnes Practices Architecture with the Prowess of a Winning Point Guard

Germane Barnes knew he’d be an architect at age 6, before he even knew what that meant. Growing up playing basketball, he honed skills he now deftly deploys in his creative practice. After a tumultuous period spurred by devastating loss, he has taken the architecture world by storm. He’s swept the most prestigious prizes and is poised to become one of the most notable architects of our lifetime. Images, links and more from Germane on cleverpodcast.com! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers...

May 02, 20231 hr 6 minEp. 190

Ep. 189: Clodagh on the Twists & Turns of Her Extraordinary Life & Career

Interior designer, Clodagh, grew up in the Irish countryside running barefoot through the woods, riding horses, and rebelling. A near death experience lit a fire in her to pursue fashion and she opened her first shop at age 17. After a career pivot and 50+ years of designing spaces that make people feel good, she’s considered a true pioneer in biophilic and sustainable design, and a living legend. Images, links and more from Clodagh on cleverpodcast.com! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Deve...

Apr 18, 202350 minEp. 189

Ep. 188: Afrotectopia’s Ari Melenciano on Synthesizing, Art, Tech, Epigenetics, and more

Artist and technologist, Ari Melenciano, spent her youth obsessed with music, art, and gadgets. A year in Barcelona, a city that valued art as she did, left a meaningful impression on her. Back in the US, frustrated at the racial inadequacy of academia and technology, she founded Afrotectopia, a cultural institution building at the nexus of art, science, and technology through an Afrocentric lens. Images and more from Ari at cleverpodcast.com! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with e...

Apr 04, 202348 minEp. 188

Ep. 187: Clever Extra - Designing for a Water Conscious World

On this Clever Extra, we deep dive into design for a water conscious world. Amy is joined by experts Jean-Jacques L’Henaff, Leader, Lixil Global Design, Americas, and Alison Lyons, Lead Researcher, Lixil Global Design. In the industries that give shape to the built world, like design and architecture, there's a real opportunity and responsibility to address our global water concerns with deep care and consideration. In this episode, we explore the world of plumbing and fixtures to understand how...

Mar 28, 202334 minEp. 187

Ep. 186: Artist & Humanitarian Julian Lennon on Charting His Own Creative Roadmap

Julian Lennon’s adventurous spirit sprung from a semi-nomadic youth in the English countryside where he spent his days as a farm hand and climbing trees. He navigated the tricky world of being John Lennon’s son by finding peace in nature, which he channels into his many creative endeavors. Through music, photography, film, books, and philanthropy, Julian’s path reflects his dynamic, curious spirit. Cover art photo by Marilyn Clark Images, links and more from Julian! Clever is hosted and produced...

Mar 21, 20231 hr 3 minEp. 186

Ep. 185: Costume Designer Deborah L. Scott on Building Worlds with Character and Depth

Oscar-winning costume designer Deborah L. Scott grew up sewing doll clothes, puppets, and getting swept up by the stories at the cinema. At 21 she went to work costuming show girls on the Vegas strip. Once in film, her adaptability, imagination, and resourcefulness carved a path that led to projects with Steven Spielberg and James Cameron, and onto sets of the biggest films of our time. Images, links and more from Deborah! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing by Rich Stroff...

Mar 07, 202358 minEp. 185

Ep. 184: Lucid Motors’ Derek Jenkins on EVs and Designing an Electric Future

Car designer Derek Jenkins grew up surfing and steeped in the car culture of Southern California. A surfing coach tipped him off to the idea of studying car design before he even knew it was an option, and Derek drove directly into his calling. After pivotal stints at Volkswagen and Mazda, he is now SVP of Design and Brand at Lucid Motors - propelling the EV revolution with innovation and luxury. Images, links and more from Derek! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing by Ric...

Feb 21, 202350 minEp. 184

Ep. 183: Determined by Design’s Kia Weatherspoon is a Champion of Design Equity

Interior Designer Kia Weatherspoon spent her youth making frequent trips to visit her brother in prison - a deeply dehumanizing experience that left a big impression. In the military, she was deployed shortly after 9/11 and awakened her innate designer in the need to create privacy and comfort. Now, Kia is delivering on a quest to ensure that interior design is accessible for all, especially those in economically challenged communities. Images, links and more from Kia! Clever is hosted and produ...

Feb 07, 20231 hr 2 minEp. 183

Ep 182: Experience Designer Nick DuPey on Harnessing the Generativity of Creative Hives

Multidisciplinary designer, Nick DuPey, hit a few rough patches growing up in Chattanooga. When his girlfriend’s mom suggested he take an art class, he found a path to fine art, graphic design, and a creative hive. His career led to IDEO, where he added human-centered design to his practice. Now, as Head of Experience Design at co:collective, he cultivates collaborative co-creation informed by purpose. Images, links and more from Nick! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing b...

Jan 24, 20231 hr 16 minEp. 182

Ep. 181: Furniture Designer Jomo Tariku is Changing the Canon

Furniture designer Jomo Tariku grew up in Ethiopia in a home full of eclectic objects collected via his dad’s travels. In the U.S. with an Industrial Design degree, he embarked on a mission to change the western canon by designing modern furniture through an African lens. After initial heartbreak and years as a data scientist, Jomo Furniture is now in museums and Black Panther: Wakanda Forever! Images, links and more from Jomo! Clever is hosted and produced by Amy Devers , with editing by Rich S...

Jan 10, 202356 minEp. 181

Ep. 163: Designer Jay Osgerby Shines a Light on Loss, Legacy, and Longevity [Rebroadcast]

Industrial designer and founding partner of Barber Osgerby, Jay Osgerby, grew up in a small town in England, with his close-knit multi-generational family and the backdrop of his grandparents’ experiences through WWII. His childhood was filled with making things - inspired by his Swiss ancestors’ stories of watch and camera making. His parents were incredibly resourceful, whether it was opening a shop together or repurposing curtains when the local cinema closed. This pioneering spirit is someth...

Dec 27, 20221 hr 26 minEp. 163

Ep. 165: Talking Shop with Podcast Powerhouse Avery Trufelman [Rebroadcast]

Brooklyn-based podcaster Avery Trufelman has radio in her DNA. Her parents met while working at WNYC, so from birth she was nurtured with love and appreciation for radio. As a teenager, Avery took to expressing herself through wild, quirky thrifted fashion ensembles, much to the confusion of her peers. After cutting her audio teeth in college radio, Avery submitted a midnight application to intern at 99% Invisible and moved across the country to work in a closet with Roman Mars in beautiful down...

Dec 20, 20221 hr 12 minEp. 165

Ep. 172: Airbnb’s Hiroki Asai on Designing Environments for Creative Teams to Thrive [Rebroadcast]

Airbnb’s Global Head of Marketing, Hiroki Asai, grew up riding his BMX through the orchards of Cupertino, CA. But it was the visual language of skateboard culture that ensnared his creative imagination and grew into a passion for graphic design. Always industrious, he took night school art classes as a teenager, went on to earn a BA in Graphic Design, and then got straight to work freelancing. Not long after, he began working with Apple - eventually rising in the ranks to Vice President of Globa...

Dec 13, 202243 minEp. 172
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