¶ Career Change to Construction in Florida
And we are back . Here is another episode of the clever angle podcast . My guest today is Jordan Owen . Some of you might have recognized Jordan from either the watch this Wednesday podcast or he actually did one of my , I think the second episode of the clever angle .
Okay .
Jordan was a guest on there talking about finance . Jordan brother , how are you doing , man ?
Dude , it's . It's good to be back on a podcast with you . I mean , that's all that matters , right .
Jordan , can you just tell us a little bit about what you've been up to since we've done that podcast ?
Yeah , man , it's been a whole yeah , I mean it's been a whole another year . I mean , yeah , it was 2020 , wasn't it ?
Yeah .
Yeah , so 2020 , it's all left Jonesville and come down to Orlando , florida , to join a construction firm . I was doing some consulting work with them first .
You know sales teams and things like that , and this is I think this is a good conversation that we're going to have which is a lot of your people that listen to this podcast , I don't know what they want to do or kind of are stuck in a position where you don't know . You know , am I doing the right thing ?
And I'll say this , like now , since moving down to Florida now , I host three trivia shows around Orlando , you know , and have a pretty thriving little side business there . I do play by play for the arena football team . You know , during that I was on the TV broadcast this year where got picked up by ESPN .
And , you know , during the day , I'm a day walker doing the construction stuff . So you know , I do a little bit of everything around here . Yeah , you're just a man that wears many hats you know what I mean Always into something .
So tell me , how did you get sparked into that ? You know , when we last talked , finance was something that you know . You were really good at talking to people negotiating . You know just the natural things that you need in a sales like , job , like that Door .
Yes , you're giving financial advice , but I am in the camp now as I've expanded my knowledge that pretty much everything is sales , and you were really good at that . So what made you want to say , hey , I'm packing up everything , I'm going to Florida , I'm going to go . It's for a construction company . I mean , you're a 7 .
Yeah , I mean that's right up your alley .
I mean . So here's the thing . Here's the thing . Like you said it right , everything is sales , but for me , I wanted to . So I don't know when this is going to come out , but at the time of recording , you guys are in the middle of a snowstorm and it's zero degrees outside . Absolutely .
That was happening to me when I was in Arkansas and I was like I can't do this anymore . I can't sit there and look . Just I just want to be around here to do weather . So I was like I want to move to Florida . What kind of careers are in Florida ? And this construction company called me .
They saw my resume and it was very like sales based , leading , team based , things like that . And so they asked me hey , would you be interested in coming down working with this and working with our sales teams and trying to grow that kind of division that we're doing ?
And initially wasn't interested in it , but after talking with them I was like , yeah , that sounds like I wanted to do something new and that was the easiest path to get into it . And I feel like you can take and do what you want . Just , you got to make it yours and any kind of career .
And I say that you know , maybe you're an accountant , but if you can really look hard enough and know the right people and are friendly enough , you can meet the right people to make any kind of career what you want , and that's what I'm going to turn this one into at this point .
Yeah . So I mean , as someone that's kind of rooted where he is , you know , I've got a lot of reasons for why I decided to stay in Jonesboro . Family was being the biggest one , and that's , you know , my young daughters growing up . I want them to be able to be around their grandparents and grow up because that's something that I didn't have .
So to me , especially in my early 30s , that's something that is very important to me . You know when I start writing the things that I can be happy doing . Obviously , my ultimate goal is to make it doing podcasting . That's my ultimate goal and I'm going to keep working towards that goal .
Cool thing about podcasting is I can connect with you all the way in Florida .
Right .
So you said weather was a big thing and initially that it didn't sound like something that you wanted to do . That was just enough for you to just kind of just put it all on red and not know anybody .
Yeah , honestly , honestly , it was . But you know me , I feel like I don't . I don't go into places where I don't know anybody and that's if I have one skill in this world . I feel like you could drop me in Bozeman , montana , and you come back and check on me in three months . And you know , I found a restaurant that I know everybody in the restaurant .
I found a , you know , I found a bar that I know the bartenders and we kind of that's just what I do , and so it was nothing to move to Florida and kind of start that over .
And now it's just something , man , it's , it's fun to do and I don't know if Orlando , I visited Orlando , so it just felt very welcoming to times that I visited , and so I was like I just want to be around more weather , I want to be , you know , around the beach , I want to be around water or sunshine . So no other place in sunny Orlando , florida .
Yeah , so take me through what that process was , moving from Arkansas to Florida , like what was your last days like in Arkansas , and how did that , what feeling were you experiencing when you were getting ready to move ?
And so I mean you know , kind of a little bit of not regret but just badness of leaving Cause that's all I'd ever known . For 30 years I grew up , you know , in the same house around you , you know , 10 , 15 minutes from where you were . I was , that's all I ever known and it was kind of scary going to .
You know , an area where there's like 2 million people , you know , around this Orlando area , not necessarily in Orlando , but around the Orlando area . So I was sitting there and just not just kind of scared to jump in , but there was a video by Steve Harvey , you know , and it's always it said jump , you know , just jump , jump .
And I watched it like a thousand times , I watched you a thousand times . I was like , okay , I'm just , I'm going to do it .
¶ Building Relationships in a New City
But again , the saddest part was the relationships that I built , like again , saying that what I just said , I went into like three restaurants I went on Jonesville that paid for my last meal and said , hey , we'd love to have a new thanks for coming in your Q 49 .
Mama , saying places like that that I had developed meaningful relationship just outside my daily friendship that's . You know , leaving those relationships with the toughest but trying to find new ones were were just as much fun .
Yeah , so you packed up your life . You know , you left , like Simba , obviously , the sun always comes back home eventually .
So we're not worried about that .
But you know what was it like when you got to Florida . Like , where do you stay in Orlando ? Do you stay kind of outside Like you're in winter park ? Is that where you're ?
at . Yeah , I was right in the middle of it . I was right in the middle of it , so about a mile and a half from downtown , and I just got lucky . I honestly got lucky . I was on a Facebook page that told me it said hey man , I was like , where do I move into Orlando , where ? And everybody said winter park , winter park , winter park .
It is a little bougie , but it's it's the nicest part of winter park . And so I got lucky and then I ended up moving . So I'm seeing a flyer that said hey , trivia night at this pub . And it was like a mile from my apartment . I just walked there my first night . I did walk there and I was like I don't want to go do this trivia night .
And wit , and the trivia host was a young guy like myself and he was just hanging out drinking , having a good time , partying , cutting up with everybody . I'm like , dude , that's what I want to do . I want to go ahead and talk , to introduce myself to him , and we started hanging out .
You know , then , he's helped me grow every friendship I've had down here .
Yeah , so you're down here . You're in a new place . You just started introducing yourself to yourself , acclimated as the , as Jordan would do . Yeah , and so you move in . You're getting ready to start your job . What's it like doing the construction off the rip ?
It's the so , honestly , it's not . It's not exact . It's almost exactly what I was doing . I'm just using a different vehicle . You know , until I say that I'm still talking and communicating with people every day , like that's not changing . I was doing that in finance . I'm doing that now .
What is your exact role ? What's your exact role as your company ?
So what I do now is I'm a project coordinator , so I'm the first person you see on a job .
So when you , when somebody calls our construction company and says , hey , I want to build , you know , I want to add two bedrooms to the back of my house and I want to build a , you know , add a , redo my kitchen I'm the first person you see , I come out , introduce , introduce myself , introduce yourself myself to the company and I kind of get you acclimated
to what it's going to be like for the next whatever four or five months , of what you're going to go through , walk them through . You know , hey , this is what's going to happen around your house , this is what you're going to go in here , this is what the money looks like , and then I'm that contact the whole way through .
You know , if anybody that listen here has ever worked with a contractor , sometimes it's not a fun experience because those guys are always busy , they're running around , they don't , some of them don't talk the best of people .
You know they're very good at building houses , but you know maintaining meaningful relationships is not what they're best at , and that's what I'm best at . So I work with the owner hand in hand . His name Dan .
He's not the relationship building type that's , that's kind of my job , and so I build the relationship with the client , the homeowner , and I'm that filter between him to the homeowner and the homeowner to him , you know . And so we're me and him work as a team and we just we've built a pretty good , successful thing going on .
So I want to go back to one thing of how you got here .
So how did they find you ? You said they were looking over your everything . Somebody called you . Was this because you were updating your resume on LinkedIn , on indeed . I'm kind of on indeed . Yeah , so I was on , indeed , and I kind of just posted my resume on .
Indeed , and it was more around like sales jobs , around Orlando , you know , and I was actually doing it out of Tampa because I thought I was going to move to Tampa and this construction company out of Orlando called me and was like , hey , your resume looks weird , you know , but you don't look like you have any kind of construction background .
But that's not necessarily what we need . We need somebody who can maintain and keep relationships going . And I was like , yeah , that's , I mean , that's exactly what I do , so that's , they needed somebody that could be , you know , a face of what they're doing and you know that's just what I'm doing .
¶ Exploring Career Options and Job Satisfaction
So were there any other job options or was this like the one of the ?
first opportunities you got and then you just kind of jumped on it or no . I had three or four other options . I still had the finance option .
You know , I can still go to about two or three places that we're looking at hiring finance , you know , to do some some sort of account manager to , you know , advisor , because I still held all my license . So I was like I'm not going to do that . I still held all my license , so there was a bunch of people doing that .
But in that world , I mean I was tired of wearing a suit every day . I was just I was tired of it . I mean , right now I get to rock a polo and maybe a pair of joggers or a pair of jeans if I'm going out to meet clients and I'm wearing jeans . But if I'm in the office all day , I'm just on a lake with a pair of T-shirt and short .
So I mean that's , I'm kind of living the life that I wanted to live .
So , as far as job satisfaction goes on a scale of one to 10 , where would you say you're at in this current job right now ?
I guess a tricky question , because not this , I don't . I don't necessarily love the job title and the job , but I allow . I love what the job allows me to do because it allows me to meet so many new people around Orlando like fun fact .
I mean , I'm not going to say it , but I , you know , I'm doing a project right now for somebody who's very high up in EA sports . I know when the new game's going to come out . We might need to bleep that out , but I know when the new college football game is coming out , you know , and so I know .
If somebody from EA sports hears this , that's what I know , I've made it , that's what I know . So you know , but like , that's that's seriously like .
I develop a lot of meaningful relationships around people around Orlando and that's that's what I like . I don't necessarily love the day to day of like you know , maybe something's messed up at a homeowner's house and I have to hear about it and I deal with it . That's not always the fun part and sometimes clients get upset because expectations are not met .
Don't like that man . That's not a fun part of the job . But connecting with a lot of people around Orlando , that's pretty cool . That's pretty cool and I like that part of my job Because it's allowed me to do like I said . I now host trivia shows . I now get to do play by play at Fernda Arena football team .
I get to do tons of like private events that I emcee and host private events . Like I would have never gotten to do that with what I , without what I'm doing . So I've made the best of my courage to George .
No , 100% get that , and there's a stat that I put on the podcast Instagram Every 4.1 years , an American changes career pass . Yeah , would you say that your dream job is still out there and , if so , what would you consider your dream job ?
I would say anything , something with the microphone in my hand , I mean . Whatever that may be , I'm not not kind of narrowed it down just yet , but I think that's that's my favorite thing to do on the planet , you know , host some , something of some sort .
But I also love owning my own business too , and I think , in the current role that I'm in , my goal is to own my own construction business at this point . But I'm very in depth in the world , yeah , I mean I'm very , I'm very hands on In this world and I'm getting a lot of things that I really like to do .
But I just did a lot of things that I want to do . I want to own my own construction company , kevin , we talked about . I want to open up , you know , open up a barbecue place here in Orlando that has like stand up comedy , live music , trivia shows , like I want to do that too , and that's something on my list .
And then I want to keep doing the TV stuff . I mean I had being on TV , hey man , it's kind of fun .
No , absolutely . And the cool thing about it is and one thing that I want people to be able to get out of this show is you're not stuck . You're not stuck anywhere . You are able to switch to things that light you up .
One of the great things about what I've learned through podcasting is you know , just because you go to college to get a degree for something doesn't mean you have to do that for 30 years , doesn't mean that you have to be , absolutely not . You don't have to be a teacher just because you got a teaching degree .
We are still in a position where we can change and we can go on to different things .
So , having those interests and knowing that about yourself , knowing that there's a lot that you want to do and it might not all be in the same thing and you're still growing and we're still getting to know ourselves , man , there's things that I'm doing right now that 10 years ago , I promise you , I would not have ever seen myself doing and been interested in
and that sort of thing . So that's really cool that you're allowing yourself to you know , kind of learn and get to know yourself in all those different areas .
Dude , you hit it on my degrees in education . I'm not a student . You know what I mean . So I just yeah , I mean we talked about it at the very beginning , I was going to be a coach that was what I was going to be in Three or four years down the road . This is something that would have never thought I would have been doing to them .
But the other night you know a little bit I was hosting a show that probably around 150 to 200 people were there , All you know , and I'm sitting here getting to control the music , the . You know the way the crowd feels , the ups and the downs , and like never would have thought I'd ever been doing it , you know , and that's it .
And then that right there just that's the most fun I've ever had is a packed house . We have a packed show , Everybody's having a good time , you know , crowds booing , I do it , I got booed .
I got booed and I thought that it was going to be the worst thing ever and I just something changes in your body where you just kind of feel at home with it and it's just you got to put yourself out of your comfort zone . That's what I think is what I'm trying to say there , and got to put yourself out of your comfort zone .
I messed up , like so I literally messed something up and you know me , I don't I'm not the best at focus . I can talk out my hands , sorry , I mean I don't know if we're cussing the clever angle , but I talk out my butt sometimes and sometimes it's good , sometimes it's bad .
I messed something up and it was more of a playful boo , but you know it can get to you if you don't watch out . And I think the resiliency of just knowing that what I am I'm grateful of doing this and having a good time , so it's making me extremely grateful .
I just rolled with the punches , kept it going and dude yes , you're not stuck to the long short short you could . You can literally do whatever you want at any time .
Yeah , absolutely . And like you said , man , it's just going to make you resilient and a lot of people would have given up right then you get booed and you're doing something . Oh , man , it must be me . You get inside your head and you do all these different types of things , and I learned a lot of that from from playing tennis .
You know like it's such a lonely sport . So you get to you , you're in your head a lot , you're thinking a lot .
Yeah absolutely .
And so to be able to put yourself out there , man , like just even us doing this podcast , dude , anybody that listens to it like , unless you've sat in this seat , unless you've done what I've done , you know you don't really know what is , uh , how it feels to be on this side . You know what I mean .
So , like , just the ability to get outside your comfort zone , do something that you normally want to do , do something even though , in spite of being scared , you know that's real courage to do , to do that .
So I'll tell you this everybody listens to this show . There's going to be a time where somebody's going to ask you to do something and it's your answer is going to have to be yes or no .
I encourage you just to , at least 70% of the time , say yes , you know , because you never know what you're going to get out of it , and that's the only reason I am where I am today is because I've said yes to probably about 90% of when somebody asked me to do something . Yes , yeah , whether I know how to do it or not . Like my first trivia show .
He goes hey man , you want to host this show downtown Orlando ? And I was like , yeah , sure , I never had hosted before in my life . I didn't know what I was doing .
I just showed up , tried it and then you know three , you know probably three shows later , all of a sudden , the guy who plays Neville Longbottom from Harry Potter walks in the bar because he lives in Orlando and I'm sitting here drinking a beer with him and just watching a trivia show , having a good time .
But you know , it's like I never I would have said yes to that opportunity . I probably wouldn't have had that opportunity to just sit and get hammered with Neville Longbottom yeah .
And you mentioned that one of the first things that you did when you got into town was , you know , you went down to the local pub and you met a guy that was hosting trivia . When did it become a thing to where they were asking you to host ?
Did you just build that rapport with one of the owners or somebody that was doing it , or you know how did that kind of come about ?
Well , so I'll give credit to his name's Nick Siddle , and I'll give a ton of credit to that guy . He just knows he builds , he's always an attorney , he picks juries for a living and one of the things he knows is he knows how to read people pretty well , you know , and I just introduced myself to
¶ Overcoming Fear and Taking Chances
him . We started hanging out and I told him I was like dude , yeah , I'm on a podcast called Watchless Wednesday , you know , and I just that was in the area of Tevinah , but me trying to tell everybody . I'm trying to tell everybody . I'm like . And then he was like he was like okay , so we started talking and hanging out more .
And he was like would you ever want to do something like this ? And I was like , hell , yeah , dude . Yes , put me in front of a microphone , I'll do anything . And he was like all right , sounds good and it .
I mean , it was probably three months from the first time I sat foot into the door of that trivia show , from the time I hosted a trivia show , so I'd say probably three months .
Yeah , and I mean you have that out , just that outward personality to . I mean you're 6'6 , for goodness great . I mean you're intimidating whoever you're around anyway , you basically probably just walked up to the guy and was like hey , give me , give me a shot .
I just did it .
There are just regular sized people out there and someone that might be an introvert . What are some advice that you would have to being more extroverted and taking chances , even though that they it's really still not outside the comfort zone .
Sure . So a couple things . A nobody cares about you . So when you think that everybody's thinking about you , everybody's thinking about themselves . Everybody's so worried about the way they look , everybody's worried about if their shoes look fine with their outfit . Like you , nobody's thinking about you 24 seven .
So just kind of don't take yourself so seriously , just kind of breathe for a second .
But I will say , probably the most important thing I can do is be nice to everybody that you meet like they throw hand , laugh , cut a joke with them and make everybody , make everybody has that one friend that you love and you feel welcome with right and you know from Kevin has mean you when we see each other .
We got to put that because we hold each other , we , you know , and I do that Like I try to make everybody feel like they're my best friend and all that's done is to make sure and I treat everybody with respect , whether it's the hostess at the bar , whether it's the owner of the bar , I treat everybody with the same level of respect .
They all get a hey , how's it going , how was your day ? You know , they all get the same level of respect from me . And I think for an introvert or for anybody who's wanting to break into a field . If you act like that , people are going to want to be around you and they're going to .
When they think of opportunities to give somebody , they're going to give it to you because you're a joy to be around .
Has there ever been a situation where you're hosting trivia or in your construction , you just anytime that you've been in Orlando where you've made a fool out of yourself , got embarrassed in some kind of way ?
All the time , tim , all the time I hosted a show , they asked me to fill in for a show and they're like hey , can you fill in at this bar ? I got there , the mic did not work and at a huge bar , it is huge bar , so it's like perjury rules terms like let's put at the back of Buffalo Wildlings , right , okay ?
So that's about the size of the trivia show , and it was packed . No seat was empty . So I stood on the bar and yelled the questions because I wasn't . Everybody come to play trivia and the mic did not work . I was 20 minutes outside of Orlando so I couldn't run , get a different mic and come back , you know . So , like the trivia show had to go on .
So I literally stood on the bar and yelled the answers the entire time and you know that everybody was like this was so unique and so crazy . Some people thought it was terrible , you know , and then . But some people thought it was unique and fun and was just like , surely , dude , that was so embarrassing having to stand on a bar .
Admit that my mic did not work , that I brought , you know , and so it was either sucking up , you know , go home and pal , but they'd pay me to do this man , they , they pay me to put on a show , so I'm going to do it , no matter what . No matter what .
Have I ever told you the geography B story from from grade school ? No no , okay . So sixth grade we had a geography B . I don't know why they decided that in sixth grade we were going to have a geography B .
We went to the same sixth grade . I know exactly I don't fit my geography B .
So it's okay . They had like this initial test . Like hey , you know , I can't even remember like top five , top six from each class that does good on this geography test quiz for the geography . He's gotta be in the geography B in front of the whole school , right ? So quick side note geography is like my worst subject ever .
But I'm sitting behind David Hornbeck and I just like I don't know what possessed me , but I was like I'm gonna just cheat on .
I'm gonna cheat on this little this geography quiz , bro .
I'm going out there , I'm getting on this geography B list , so obviously , cheat like China was one of the answers to one of the questions . I'm like , okay , cool , they called my name and it's time to go out there for the geography . Like .
This is like a week later or something and I'm out here , bro , I'm telling you I don't know anything about geography now I'd probably still get waxed by some sixth graders in geography .
But I go out there and they've got like this map , they've got this globe and you're having to identify these different things in the geography B and I'm just clueless , bro , clueless . So I just say I say China three times in a row and I just get eliminated and have to sit down and that was like one of the most embarrassing things ever .
I'm like dude , I put myself in this position on purpose , it's my own fault and still to this day , it's just one of those things that just kind of haunt me .
So you were know something like small world moment . I was in the same geography B . I made it to and we were in the gym . We were in the gymnasium .
Yes , yeah , I was there .
I was there , I was in it and got eliminated immediately .
Yeah , immediately . I think Western Weeks won the geography B or something like that . But I'm just like dude , why did I care so much about being in this thing ? Like I mean , obviously I wasn't interested in it because I never took it really seriously . But yeah , you're absolutely right , nobody cares . Nobody cares about it .
I was in Miss Stepford's class . I don't know if you remember Miss Stepford , but I was in Miss Stepford's class here . Yeah , absolutely .
For sure so .
Yeah , nobody cares . You're right , though , nobody cares .
Yeah , so what are some lessons that you would say that you have learned since being in Florida ? Top things that you've learned since leaving home .
So it's OK to be scared Like so .
Dropping gems out here , already out the gate .
So what you're seeing now is I just moved into a brand new house and it's a team with a two bedroom . It's a two bedroom house , it's bigger than I . It's probably on the top side of my budget of what I can afford .
¶ College Education
And I had to literally call my mom the other day because I was scared , Dude , and I was like , not that , I was just what , if ? What if it all went away ? You know , and that's the first thought , you know , when you do something that's out of your comfort zone or you take a risk on something , could it all go away ? You know ?
And then my mom looked at me and goes Jordan , you work so hard that , no matter what , if you lost everything today , you'll still be fine Because you know you always find a way out of it because of your work ethic , you know . And so I was like , yeah .
Then I looked at myself and I was like , oh , I could afford this place if I host five shows a week . You know to be a show's a week , and I just , you know , I think that's the interesting thing .
That's the interesting thing , Jordan . Once you open your mind to different thoughts , you start to you start thinking of ways to be able to do that . So like , if you want to make a hundred thousand dollars . You probably never thought about that before , but once you start thinking about it every day , your mind starts saying OK , how can we make this happen ?
You figure out a way .
Like you exactly .
You figure a way out , and yet you're exactly right to have it . And so that was Be OK , to be scared in that moment , because they never know who you're going to talk to and they might open up something you know in your mind .
And I'm like man , I just didn't even think about that because I was so freaked out in the moment that the most logical answer never came to my head , you know .
So that was one of the biggest lessons of here moving to Florida Like I've never , always went in with just kind of a bull in a China shop , rhinoceros , forward energy and being retrospective one time and being scared . My mom dropped a huge jam on me . That just was not expecting , you know .
And the second thing is is you control how you treat everybody around you . So if you're not liked , or you're people don't like you or people you know are standoffish towards you , it's because of you , it's not because of anybody else around you . And I just I think that a lot of people today Are upset with the current situations .
They think people don't like them and it's like man , if you would just take a second and just literally from the time , from wherever you walk into somebody I said that earlier to them . And if you just treat everybody with warm and welcoming embrace and remember their names and talk to them and just do the bare minimum man , your life's going to open up .
Because I'll tell you this , I've made OK Money in Arkansas from time to time . But like I hosted a trivia show and one client that I just he she came in . We started having a good time . I started giving their team hell a little bit . We had fun at the end of the day . She asked me what I do . I said construction .
I told me you had a phone call about it . I was like Kevin , you will not believe the cat that check those cash from one person and I didn't even know it just had 10 days ago . You know to the point where we're sitting there and she's handed me over as much business as I can handle because she loved the way that I was nice to everybody in the bar .
She was like oh yeah , I want to work with that guy . So everybody's watching . Everybody's watching how you treat people . But everybody is also worried about themselves . So don't take yourself too seriously . And it's OK to get scared , that's yeah . Those are my like kind of lessons that I would teach somebody .
Absolutely , man , and those are powerful lessons that I know a lot of people are going to get a value out of . So I've got a question that I'm going to start asking my guests and do you think in 2024 that college is overrated ?
Can I answer yes and no ?
Yes , and I want to hear why .
OK For the traditional education ? Yes , I think so . Yes , but what I've learned from my time in college was there was a lot of times where I learned critical thinking skills .
That helped me today a lot , and so I don't think that , see , see now you're sounding like a politician now , because I think that you would have been the same . You're knowing with or without college Maybe , and you're probably right , you're probably right . The time that you spent in Orlando , those four years . You know now it's 25 , 24 .
So 2020 is when you were still here , Rock with me and Jonesboro .
Yeah .
The same four years would have been some the same amount of time someone would have spent getting an undergraduate degree .
You know what I'm saying ?
Yeah , this life experience going out here , being in the field , shaking hands , learning that networking is powerful , how you treat people , respect . It's OK to be scared . Those are things that I didn't learn in college . I don't know if you did .
Yeah , no , I didn't . I didn't . No , no , no , no , no , I didn't do that . But I just think , like man , there's , there's some things that I didn't like .
I learned how to be , and I don't know if it's now this way it is , but there is just there's so many more ideas out there than than yours , and I think that's , but I don't think I needed to pay 50 grand to learn that , you know . That's why I say that . But just , I think it is important to learn . There's a lot of skills that you can learn .
They're not , you know , education based .
But let me ask you this , then Let me ask you this Because your answer was yes and no . So you're trying to play the fence over it . So I'm giving a definitive answer here .
I'm going to say no , then no .
So OK , so lovely . I'm still challenging you All right . So do you think that , with the way that technology is , the internet is you know we live in the most information at the your fingertips era that I think we've ever lived in ?
Yeah .
Do you not think that a lot of those , the same things that you would learn by paying somebody ?
Like if I paid $50,000 outside of college , like if I just had 50 K and I could just spend it on education , learning the things that I wanted to learn , and you know this , and that marketing , whatever it is , I could use it better than going to organized school ? So that was the basically the thing .
Like if someone gave me a $50,000 alone , it was like , ok , you can get all the education you want . It wouldn't be in the capacity of school , it'd be you know courses , it'd be .
Yeah , I got 50,000 .
So now I can afford to do like a nonpaid internship . If I have 50 K , I'm like I can go work under that carpenter for free or whatever , not have to worry about bills , versus like that's just going towards tuition and I'm still having to work in college and I get it , there's still a place for college .
Because I think that there are certain degrees that obviously I want my educators , I want my doctors , I want all these people to be certified and educated . But I mean , like can we start shedding some light on ? An art degree probably isn't the best thing for an artist , you know . An exercise science degree ? That's not something that people are .
If you're a good personal trainer and I can see like okay , jordan's jacked . He obviously knows how he got jacked , I'm not asking for your credentials . If you're my personal trainer or my personal chef , you know what I mean . Like you can throw that in the kitchen .
You're 100% right . So I say that too . I wanted to try to like . I do toe the line of there are some skills , but like there's a guy on Instagram I don't know his name is David Meltzer .
I don't know if you've ever fought him in , but he taught me nine , like 9,000% more of business and gratitude and things like that than I'd ever did learning college , and he would . He would gladly take my $50,000 and I probably would have made it a whole lot more . So , yeah , I do . I'm like you my lawyers , my teachers , my doctors .
I do want them to do school , I want them to be certified , I want them to be the best of the best . But , man , there's so many ways to to get around the bases at this point , you know you don't have to go to the traditional power , you know .
Yeah , absolutely .
Yeah , yeah . You used to use to have to go first , second , third home . You know nothing . You don't have to do that anymore . You can go anywhere with where you want to .
No , and I think that it's because that there's so much more opportunity , access to information and a lot of things , that before you know , if you wanted to know X , you couldn't just go to the internet , you couldn't ask Google or chat GBT or all of these things Like . There's opportunities , like if I want to learn coding , I can learn coding just directly .
I can go to these websites like Udemy and Skillshare and all of these things where people have put in time to make these courses and , you know , instead of giving it to this university , I can give it to someone that's worked hard and created this , this platform , and learn things that way and get to choose at like a lot lower clip as far as the financial
compensation . So I'm just to the point where , like I get it . Higher education has its place and it always will . But for the people that don't really know what they want to do , I wish that there was less funneling them into just kind of making this rash life decision at 18 .
Then , like , hey , maybe you should check out a trade school , maybe you should just work , or maybe you should read these 10 books or you know , whatever it is , because I suffer from that type of education , where I went through this entire game of you know game of life , or 12th grade .
Now I'm a freshman in college and now I'm in , and you know what I felt after I graduated ? I felt like empty , because I felt like I was at the end of the rope , and then I didn't get what they promised me .
I didn't get a job . You know , like the job that you didn't get , exactly , you didn't get the end of the rainbow and look , look , look , everybody look at me dead in the face .
If you want to go be a plumber , go be a plumber Like , because I pay plumbers so much money being in the construction world right now like plumbers , electricians , and those guys are going away .
Yeah , that's the thing . Those are trades man . Those are trades that you don't have to go to college and get a degree . You can go straight to a trade school . For a fifth of the cost , like 10K . You can be a plumber .
You can be an electrician , you can do all of these things and those are the backbone and which our society is built on , and I absolutely like I promise you if I can go back , or I'm having to give you the heating and air guy I'm having to give the electrician , I'm starting my own business because one you're still owning your own business in a sense to
where you get to control your own time , to where I can do more of these things .
Or , you know , if I go back , maybe , now that I know myself a little bit better , I value I know that I value that time off and being able to be with my parents Maybe I do go to the route of becoming a teacher because like , okay , I'm off in the summer , I'm not gonna coach .
I've seen how people go down the coaching road and you're basically you don't have any time off of your coach . Maybe I'm just having the fourth grade science teacher and I'm off on Martin Luther King Day , and I'm off on spring break and I'm off on Christmas morning in the summer .
And that's a pretty good life , and that's a pretty good yeah .
And guess what ? I'm still podcasting during the summer , I'm still doing all these things that I get to love . Maybe I got a gardener , I don't know . But now that I'm starting , to figure out , like what I know a little bit more about myself now . Then I did at 18 when I was just kind of just fed .
This is the next thing that you do and you're almost kind of penalized when you don't know what you and props to the people like . If you're 18 and you knew exactly what you want to do like you were in the minority , I promise you , because a lot of us were still chasing our ex-girlfriend . That broke our heart from three years ago and all that .
Like our brains weren't fully developed to even kind of make those decisions and here I am signing this fast for 20 KS a semester and I'm like , yeah , sure , that's fine and not really knowing the ramifications of what I was getting myself into .
Right , nah , I'm just saying 100% , I agree with you .
So but yeah , man , I appreciate you taking the time to sit down and kind of talk about what you've been doing , Cause you're a prime example of you can switch it up and you can be happier and you can keep evolving into something that you're not done yet .
You're still in transition , You're still moving through the journey and that's the best part to be able to know where you want to go . But enjoy the ride , Enjoy the ride , experience things . Stop to smell the roses , the flowers , meet the people along the way .
Absolutely . Yeah , absolutely , and what like this . I told you when you first started this it's a genius idea , so keep it going . I love you and thanks for having me on .
Absolutely . Yeah , this has been another episode of the Clever Angle podcast . Thanks again to our host , jordan , for taking the time to sit down with us . Follow us on all socials . At the Clever Angle , subscribe on YouTube if you're listening on there or watching on there , and until next time , peace , peace out .