Broadcasting from the Hip Hop Weekly Studios. I'd like to welcome you to another episode of Civic Cipher, where our mission is to foster allyship empathy and understanding. I am your host, Ramsy's Jah is Ramsey's Jah.
I am qward Youth. I'll tuned into Civic Cipher.
And we appreciate that. We want you to stick around because today we are going to be discussing an interesting development here in Trump two point zero in the United States of America. In the history of our great land. The thing that has caused a lot of distress in communities around the world, the thing that we hear a lot from our listeners is it has to do with immigration,
ice raids, things like this. There are a lot of people very afraid and don't know what power they have and how to wield that power to affirm their rights as human beings, to pursue legal means of maintaining their residences, et cetera. And it's just interesting because because recently under the Trump administration, the United States has welcomed some South
African immigrants. Now, the notable difference between these immigrants and the immigrants that we see, you know, on the other end, of the ice raids is that these South African immigrants are white and exclusively white, and so we're going to be discussing that, and you know the implications of that and perhaps ways that you know, communities can use this moment to further fortify themselves against you know, what many
people consider to be an oppressor ream. And we're also going to be spending some time discussing, you know, the future of women in politics. Jasmine Crockett recently gave a news interview where she stated that the Democrats are likely moving in the direction of the safest white boy and the conversation surrounding that has really caused us to think. And so we're going to talk about that and so much more. But before we get there, we are going to start off with some ebony excellence. Now we I
think we shall. So today's ebony excellence comes from Men's Journal dot com and we are talking about Ryan Kugler. So Ryan Kugler Sinners continues its run as one of the year's biggest hits, and this weekend it hit a new box office milestone. On Saturday. According to The Rap Spinner's gross or caught frost Sorry, the two hundred million dollar market the box office in the United States and Canada, an achievement no original film has made since Pixar's Coco
arrived in theaters just ahead of Thanksgiving twenty seventeen. Kugler's musical vampire Flick, which stars regular collaborator Michael B. Jordan Pulls Sorry, plus Delroy Lindo, Hailey Steinfeld, Miles Canton, and Jack O'Connell, has been a box office wonderkin right out of the gate. It's been breaking box office records for both original films and horror movies since it opened, and is preparing for a one week only IMAX released beginning Thursday,
May fifteenth. It also has been replaced. Sorry also has been praised by audiences and critics alike, which has served as a much needed reminder to Hollywood of moviegoers' desire for original content. Of course, making cinematic history is nothing new to Kugler at this point. With the release of Marvel's Black Panther in twenty eighteen, the now thirty eight
year old writer director became MCU's first black director. The movie itself became the first superhero film to receive Best Picture nominations from both the Oscars and the Golden Globes. Black Panther received seven OSCAR nominations total and won three of them, Best Costume Designed for Ruthie Carter, Best Production Design for Hannah Beachler and Jay Hart, and Best Original Score for Ludwig Gornson, making the Chadwick Boseman starring hit
the first Marvel movie to win an OSCAR. So shout out to Ryan Coogler, and shout out to sinners, and shout out that everybody supporting that. That indeed is some ebony excellent. Okay, that's it.
And that's an IMAX re release. That's important to point out because they only there's only like nine I mix theaters in the country have to make room for specific movies that are shot for that format. A new Marvel movie pushed it out of Imax. The movie is so dope, it pushed the Marvel movie back out.
Okay, nice, all right, Well, like I said, any excellence, all right. So a little bit of background here and and Q, you stop me if this is just a little bit too personal. But I think one of the things that has troubled us collectively but more specifically Q, and by extension, it has troubled me is the divisive approach, the the the hate based approach to immigration and immigrants in this country by this current administration. Q has really felt that in his reality in a way that you know,
I have not. We both live in the Southwest, we both live in border states. We both live in environments where a lot of the culture and the people and our friends and so forth are you know, people who are Mexican and either they moved here when they were little, or they were here the whole time they were and their family was here before this was ever the United States, because this where we live was once Mexico. But in Q's situation, this current administration's rhetoric and approach has been
kind of scary. And that's a word that you've used. You've used that word before, so you would think that while we feel that a lot of it is just kind of fear mongering, a lot of it is like immigration policy great, you know, whatever we need that we need better immigration procedures, so great. And my understanding is that historically this has been something, you know, going all the way back fifty plus years, that has been a political issue that people have had to sort through, particularly
presidents have had to sort through. And it depends on the conditions, the social conditions, the economic conditions of the country, what our border policy looks like, our southern border policy looks like. And Donald Trump specifically has been able to weaponize the border and use it to whip up fear in a way in the population, in a way that
we haven't seen in our lifetimes. Right. And you know, the other side of fear is often hate in many instances, and so we've seen the country move in a direction that is decidedly more hateful under his leadership. And for those that have short memories, remember his first campaign. The biggest slogan from that first campaign was build the Wall, right, And the wall wasn't about Canada, it wasn't about China, it wasn't about Japan, it wasn't about South Korea or
North Korea. Rather, it was about Mexico. And again, for us, we live on land that used to be Mexico. So the people here historically they're they're Mexican people, you know. Are The word I'm looking for is ethnically, They're they're Mexican. Culturally, they're Mexican. Uh in terms of their nationality, they're American, sure, but Mexican flags around where we live is a part of you know, the cultural tapestry of this part of the country. You know, our children, my children and qu'es
children are half Mexican. This is just the people that live here. Right. So with all this hate and all this fear mongering and all this sort of stuff, you would expect that this immigration policy that got him into office twice, this divisive approach to immigration that saw him achieve the highest office in the land, he would have this kind of he would keep that energy across the board, you know, for people that have not been paying too close of attention. But it turns out that Donald Trump
is kind of picking and choosing. I think, you know, we happen to know there are many people who would love legal status in this country. They submit paperwork, they do everything the right way, and the system that is in place for them to achieve you know, permanent residence status or citizenship status or whatever the case is is extremely complicated, challenging, and it's tedious process. Last years. There are people who've been waiting for decades plus. I know people.
You and I both have a friend. I'll say her first name is Rachel. But yeah, she's still waiting on her papers to come back and has been for the whole time we've known her. Now she has two children, of course, since she feels a little safer with those two children. But under Donald Trump, of course, that her reality has changed quite a bit. So what am I talking about? Well, let's look at these white South African immigrants. So I'm going to share a bit. This comes from
the Black Information Network and thenk you. I'll let you state your own brief. But I wanted to kind of bring folks up to speed because I know there's a lot of people around the country who feel that tension and feel like it might be just about them, and I think this story kind of makes the case that it might actually be just about them. I'll let you double down on that, but for now, this is from
the Black Information Network. A group of white South Africans is flying to the US after the Trump administration offered
them refugee status and alleged race based persecution. On Sunday, May eleven, forty nine Afrikaaners, the white minority group in South Africa, departed their homeland on a privately chartered flight to Dole's International airport outside of Washington under Trump's refugee plan, per the Associated Press, The relocation comes after Trump issued an executive order in February that accused the South African government of discrimination against Afrikaaners and announced a refugee program
offering to relocate them to the US. The Trump administration further claims the South African government is enacting racist, anti white policies through affirmative action laws and targeting Afrikaaners lands through a new land expropriation law. The US has also alleged that Afrikaaners are being targeted and racially motivated attacks
in rural communities. The South African government said it was completely false that Afrikaaners are being persecuted, the claims are based on misinformation, and the Afrikaners' land isn't being expropriated, the government stated. The government also denied claims of racism and attacks against white South Africaners, noting that the group
is among the most economically privileged in the country. Refugee groups have questioned the Trump administration's moved to fast track applications for white South Africaners while halting arrivals from Afghanistan, Iraq, Sub Saharan Africa and other areas wrecked by war and natural disasters. Vetting for refugee status in the US usually
takes years. The first group of Afrikaners is expected to be welcomed at the Duel's airport by a US government delegation, including the Deputy Secretary of State and officials from the Department of Health and Human Services. The flight is a part of a much larger scale relocation effort. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller said in a statement, adding that what's happening to Afrikaaners in their homeland fits the textbook definition of why the refugee program was created.
Quote this is persecutcution based on a protected characteristic, in this case race. This is race based persecution. Miller said, all right, two with Flora's yours.
If it wasn't so infuriating, it would be funny race based prosecution or persecution. I'm sorry for white South Africans and flying into Washington Dulles Airport on a fast tracked refugee plan because this is why the refugee program was created. Persecution based on a protected characteristic. The same people who are the same people that are making affirmative action in DEI and the word black illegal want us to believe that they're bringing these people here because they're being persecuted
based on their race. I first have to start with where I kind of always start when we talk about things like this, and it's pushing back on the idea of fear and the cape and the bail and the benefit of the doubt and the protection that it buys people. When you say they're scared is dangerous. I am scared that someone might snatch my children, or snatch me from
my children, or snatch their mom from them. That's fear, and what I would do to protect them and myself in the mind of most just basically kind people with a modicum of empathy would be understood. So when you give them that same fear pass, then their montrosities that they do can also be met with some empathy. Well, if they were afraid, then they did what they had to do. And that's nonsense. It's not fear. I'm not
afraid of anything. They hate us, and they hate people with brown skin, so they can take a privately chartered plane that taxpayers in this country are paying for. Some of those undocumented workers that have jobs and pay taxes. Yeah, that tax money goes to these flights too, and fly them here based on their protected characteristic, which is their race. Even if we weren't talking about white people. That should raise an eyebrow when this is the same administration it
says people should not have protected characteristics. So why they getting rid of history while they're closing museums and banding points, you know what I mean? Like they don't even they pandered for two elections at a base that was easy to manipulate.
They don't pander anymore.
They wear their hypocrisy like a badge now because they know, and you know, the now new second term president has known for years that there's nothing he can do that would discourage or turn away his base. They're going to support him, show up for him, defend him, apologize for him, and fight you for him. A man they don't know that doesn't care about them. They'll fight you their friend or their coworker or their family member on his behalf.
It's a really really strange thing and having to go through that people that I know raising their hand to tell me the silver lining and anything that he's doing. It's a really disturbing, really dangerous, and really scary place to be. So when we talk about fear, you're talking to someone who's actually dealing with the fear that one day while I'm at work, I might get a call that my kids don't know where their mom is, or they might get a call that no one knows where
their dad is. Because that's the country we live in now, That's what fear looks and sounds like. And again, this is something that's very personal, that's already showed up at my door. I've already had to go get my kids from school to I don't want to talk about it, But to pretend that the other side is afraid and not just hateful and racist is almost intentionally dishonest, Like we're going out of our way to be empathetic to these people that would never do that for us. They're
not making these decisions because they're afraid of us. They hate us, and they now have the power to take everything from us, and the idea of checks and balances no longer exist. So if you're white, there's a place for you here. If you've been persecuted and you're white and you're going through something difficult and you're white, even though you're the extreme minority of occupants, but the extreme
majority of land owners, you're the persecuted class. What was the percentage, It's like five or six percent of the white people in South Africa own seventy or eighty percent of the land. They want us to believe they're the ones that are being persecuted.
Yeah, and I think that there's something.
That will never even ask the question, well, why that doesn't make any sense? Sounds about white, so it sounds about right.
Yeah, yeah, So wat's this I think that you know, for people that don't know the history of South Africa, people that don't know the history of apartheid, people that don't know what Nelson Mandela's fight was about in his story, and people who don't even know who that is. If all you hear is a government is taking land from a group of people based on their race, then you know there are people who could look at that and think, okay,
well that just isn't fair. You know, these people are being persecuted, right if the headline just reads the way that it does, and no one goes any deeper, and no one has any context, no one has any history. But I think in brief what we can do and this helps support the numbers. We're going to share a clip.
This is from Don Lemon and he kind of breaks down a little bit about South Africa and so you kind of get a little bit more context on the quote unquote persecution and why this is such a bizarre move to re locate these white South africaners to the United States during an administration that is that platform and is currently decidedly anti immigration and pretty much everything that it does. So let's listen to Dawn kind of break this down for us. Here we go.
It is blatantly obvious the way that we treat white South Africans, who, by the way, for the most part, and I am generalizing here, some of the wealthiest people are well to do people in the country, to speak their language, they own most of the land and the property, and somehow they're being granted a fast track to become Americans while they're trying to cut down on immigration from other countries. You know, you get that from where from
the brown people. On March seventh, Trump to truth social to announce ess is offering white South African farmers quote a rapid pathway to the US citizenship, pointing out that South Africa's new land reform push into law last year, which lets the government take land without compensation if the property is not being used and there's no intention to either develop or make money from it. Okay, now I'm going to give you some context here.
They're not just.
Taking a land away from white South African farmers. White South Africans, about nine percent of the population, owned eighty seven percent of the fertile land. Okay, today, Black South Africans make up more than ninety percent of the population and they only hold about four percent of all privately
owned land. So what they're trying to do is say, hey, we need to fix an historical injustice and figure out if you're not using that land to farm, then we need to have some of that land, not taking all of your entire farm. That's not what's happening, and we need to what there needs to be equity. And now people are crying because the playing field is being leveled, and so therefore it is now discrimination.
All right, So that kind of colors in the story a little bit better. This isn't you know, the government seizing all the land. It's only land where it's not being used. It hasn't been used, and there are no plans to use it in the future. White South Africaners who have land that they are using and making money
off of, they can continue to keep that land. But because they hold eighty seven percent of the farmable land, this group, the group of white folks in that country that make up less than ten percent of the population, I think it's quite it's a lot less than ten percent of the population, but they own eighty seven percent of the land that you can use for agriculture, and
a lot of that is not being used. The country has a law that says, okay, if you're not going to use the land, we can take it back and create equitable programs that allow other people access to you know, all that South Africa has to offer. And again, for folks that understand the history in South Africa, it was colonized by people who are not African, and so this is something that needs to be done otherwise, you know, if you don't do something, then you know, the people
who live there continue to suffer under oppressive regimes. Now, it's interesting because the people who really inhabit the land that ninety percent of the population are black, can look at those handful of landowners, white landowners, and say, your possession of the land here is oppressive to us. And the Donald Trump administration gave those same folks a free pass to say, well, you're being oppressed, so come to
the United States. These still don't have to give up your land over there, but here's here's a golden ticket to the land of opportunity. And it's interesting to note that that was always the card they could play, and they haven't. They've chosen not to play that card for people who again lived here since they were two, grew up here, all their friends, everything they know is is here in the United States. They pay taxes, they participate
in the economy, they're not illegal. And yet and still these people are being deported along with you know, criminals and all that sort of stuff because there's no due process. And it's just interesting to note that it's if it's white folks got to say it the way it is, there's a decidedly different approach to it. And this flies in the face to everyone that says, well, you know, Donald Trump's not racist. Name one thing that he's ever
done that's racist. Listen, man, I think I just did so we'll leave that one right about there unless you got anything else. I know, we don't have a lot of time, but yeah, okay, all right, Well, well leave that one right there then
