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disabled perhaps brothers, these sisters. Also, we're going to be uh talking a bit about children and how they develop their views on race and what can be done about that and where critical race theory fits into that narrative. We're also going to talk about a couple of other things, not the least of which is an interesting Baba segment that has become a better ally with some great advice on how you can stand in support of your brothers and sisters as they interact with the police, and a

lot more besides that. So it's funny to stick around for today's show. And first we want to start off with something that we like to call ebony excellence exactly with you, kar Yes, sir, yes, So I'll jump in here. All I do is win no matter what. For those who don't know, there is a NASCAR driver by the name of Bubba Wallace and Bubba is half black, half white. Here we call that black, and he's actually really good. He's from a team that is owned by Michael Jordan,

so Jordan is one of the early investors. And recently he became the second black person to win the Cup Series since nineteen sixty three. That's NASCAR's like Premier race and the first person was Hall of Fame driver Wendell Scott. But again making history, you know, moving you know, things forward, and of course we know NASCAR is really primarily you know, there are Caucasian people that you know, race and NASCAR, and so for Bubblah, while it's not only to be

able to participate, get a lot of support it. I don't know if you remember Q, but might have been. Last year we did a story about someone finding a noose in his garage, which turned out to just be something that was left over from the year prior. So it wasn't what they thought it was, thank god. But hold on second, So.

him Yeah, they didn't let him win that easily. Yeah, I think they even made him drive a couple extra laps, like let's just make sure he won, like some type of controversy. So, you know, shouts out to Bubble Wallace and shout out to the people who are trying to discount the way that he won. NASCAR drivers win racists that aren't finished due to weather all the time, so now that he's done it, they want to try to discount it. So shouts to Bubble wirelace Man.

And now more into real news. Now here's something that I have to remind all of our listeners of, and that's that there is a tremendous amount of news stories that we have to go through every week, and we have to whittle it down into things that we feel are important and you know, help us have the conversations that I think will lead to us having stronger relationships with each other as brothers and sisters in this country.

With that said, we leave so much. There's so many stories that I really, really absolutely feel like I need to tell. There's so many things that I need to give perspective to, and you know, we need to understand it together. We need to have our therapy together, whatever it is, and because of the way time works, we're

just not able to do that. And this week's topics, you know, they were very difficult to choose, but you know, I recognize that this week and next week we are going to want to stand as much in solidarity with brothers and sisters who don't necessarily look like us or have the same walk as us, but certainly have the same challenges. And it's about we're about due to share the space again. And so this is one such story. So this comes from Vice. You know a lot of

this I took directly from Vice. But this will help me paint the picture for you when Brady missed it. A deaf man living in Idaho Springs, Colorado, was pulled over by local police one night in twenty nineteen. He tried to signal that he couldn't hear officers commands, but the cops on the scene allegedly misinterpreted his sign language as disrespect, paised him multiple times, and slammed him to

the ground. Ultimately, Mystic spent four months in jail, where he was allegedly denied an interpreter, before all charges against him were dropped two years after the September twenty nineteen encounter. Mystic is now suing the two officers from the Idaho Springs Police Department, the city, and the County Board of Commissioners for use of excessive force, failing to recognize that he had a disability, and wrongfully incarcerating him. Mister Mystic

cried out saying no ears. The lawsuit reads defendant Summers ignore, ignored mister Mystic's plea, and then tased mister Mystic a second time. Defendants knew or should have known mister Mystic's lack of speech, hand gestures and or thick tongued articulation of words no ears, that he was deaf and could not hear or understand the officers. You can't want to

stop right there. I've seen the video for this one, and again, the reason I chose this is because there was a lot of videos that I had to sift through a lot of heartbreaking videos of people losing their life at the hands of the police, and we talk about the police a lot on this show. But this video was clear, and I think it was necessary to help tell the stories of the other videos and the other stories that I can't tell. This one is a

little bit more all encompassing. And this is a person who, for all intents and purposes, was born with a strike against him. This man cannot hear, or maybe he wasn't born that way, but otherwise he's not able to hear the way that most of us our And the video, you know, he gets out of the car, well, he's followed by the police officers. You know, he pulls over

and you know, goes where he's going. He gets out of the car and approaches the police vehicle, and the police are yelling at him, screaming, and then they you know, start to get physical as they jump out of the car and so forth, and he's yelling and screaming. You can hear that he doesn't know what's going on, and there's a very violent and emboldened reaction from the police. They just feel like they can do whatever they want

to do, especially this officer Summers. There was a male officer and a female officer, and to her credit, the female officer had a small amount more restraint. And we'll see as we read a little bit further that this officer, Summers, had gotten in trouble before for I think assaulting or a brutal arrest of a seventy five year old man, and he was fired prior to this even becoming a lawsuit. So this guy has a history of being really violent with people where that's not necessary. But back to the

video happens and we can see it. You know, this is body cam footage, so this is what the officers are seeing or dash cam footage. We can see that he's walking up to the car to investigate, and he says that later on, he says, you know, I got out of the car and I went to see what was happening, you know, what was going on on the

other side of this thing. He didn't think it was for him, and the officers grabbed him, and then in the video, of course, they slam his head on the concrete and then they take him to jail, and he's in jail for four months. And I believe it was something about maybe he didn't come to a full stop at a stop sign or whatever the case was, some reason they originally engaged him.

and you know, I try to be fair. I try to be fair. Cue. I know that you at one point wanted to be a police officer. I know that you maybe not a fan of the Second Amendment, but you certainly believe in the Second Amendment. I know that I'm not that person. You know. I know that I'm you know, my earliest memory is very much shaped by the LAPD Compton, California and I've always kind of looked that police like less like the heroes than most people

get to. You know, now, I see movies and I live in this country, and I recognize that police, for better or worse, have their place in society. But the way policing is done day to day, there's a lot of room for improvement. And some of the ideas that I believe in perhaps are a bit more radical than some folks taste, and perhaps they're not as radical as some folks would like. But this show is not for

me to get my ideas off. This show is for all of us, our listeners, you, me, and our guests to discuss what's happening, and perhaps in the midst of our discussions we're able to flesh out a path forward where we're less angry, we're less afraid, and so forth right. But I will say that policing, especially if you are allowed to carry a weapon whose only purpose is to end to life. You know, all the police in this

country have that. If the only purpose of that gun is to end the life, that's why they built it, that's why they designed it, that's why you're carrying it. That there's zero room for error. That should be the first and foremost and last and only requirement. There's zero room for error when it comes to that. And this ready fire aim mentality of these police officers. All of a sudden, everybody's afraid. And these people want to have the hero narrative as well, or people want to give

them the hero narrative. You know, who knows. You know, I'm not going to speak for everyone, but I don't think that those two are compatible, because if you're a hero, to me, bravery is the first thing that comes to mind. You know. There's a story that we didn't get to talk about where this was in California and a person

was having a mental health crisis. I believe this person was white, you know, whatever the case was, and he had some people call the police to help, you know, And as far as I know, I didn't read all the details, but you know, in my mind, this is what happened. Again, this is in my mind. I don't have the details, but these people are calling the police saying, hey, there's a problem with someone. This is the problem and

we need help with it. There's no other numbers I can call, but I can't do this alone, right And then the police show up one officer shoots another officer, and then the guy's dog gets shot. The guy who's having the mental health crisis, his dog gets shot. And then you take a step back and you look at it, and you say, why did we call these guys in the first place? These are the heroes. They come and shoot each other on accident, and then the dog gets shot.

This guy you know, and I know people who you know, sometimes they connect with animals a little bit easier than they connect with people. Some people they don't fit into society the same way as other folks do. And it's just such a heartbreaking story. And it's a sad story. And I'm sure the police would agree that that's a sad story and not all encounters in that way, and that's a fair thing to say. But this violent approach to dealing with almost everything feels, at least the ninety

percent of the time unfounded. There's another video that we didn't get to talk about where this was in Mesa, Arizona. And from the video, from the vantage point that we see in the video, there's a man with his hands in the air and he puts his hands on the roof of the car, and you know, he ends up getting shot, and I read a little bit more about the story. I forget his name, and he deserves that, and I'm so sorry, but I didn't expect to go in this direction, and my notes aren't here with his

name on it. But I'll come back. I'll make it right. In any event, I believe that based on the name, the way I remember his name, he was Hispanic man. But you know, the police shoot him and and their story is that he reached into his waistband, not that he presented a weapon, not than anything, but he reached into his waistband and they were under the impression that he had a weapon, and so they shot and he died.

And again from the vantage point, it looks like his hands are on the roof of the car, and that that was not happening, you know, And I don't know. We've learned our lesson on this show to not you know, say too much before we can say it. But I can say that the lack of restraint in those instances when we when we compare them to instances like what happened in Kenosha and with Dylan Roof when he shot up the church. You know, things like that where the

police have an infinite amount of restraint. You know, these are people with weapons actively shooting. You know, there's nothing you know, and so this story, the one we're talking about with Brady Mystic, the deaf man in Colorado Springs, the violence that they feel is necessary to get a hold of the situation. You know, it feels like we're they're just bullies.

psychology behind the Stanford experiments. Right, So the Stanford Experiments, for those who don't know is please look it up to google it and just learn about it. It's really interesting. But basically, some students from Stanford enrolled in a study and then half of the students randomly were selected to be prisoners and half were selected randomly to be the prison guards. And they all knew who each other were.

They all knew in the real world, we're all the same people, you know, we all go to the same schools, we have the same you know, issue whatever. But in this study, people's behaviors started to change, particularly the guards. You know, they had, for all intents and purposes, absolute power to punish to, you know, whatever, all the students who were in prison quote unquote, and the study actually had to be terminated because of the amount of abuse

that was taking place. And you know, with absolute, absolute power corrupts absolutely. I think that's how the saying goes. And you know, people talk about training, and there's been training and training and training for decades, more training, better training, you know, even black folks sometimes, uh, you know, we pairrot that, oh we're better training, will you know. And some of the stories I've read this week. I've seen

that a couple of times. And you know, training, new theory, whatever the case is, that's all well and good, but we've seen that it's not nearly as effective as it needs to be. A certainly, if we have to have zero mistakes, if you're carrying a murder weapon on your person and you're able to look to end the life of a human being and not be held accountable if there's a mistake involved, if you make poor judgment, right.

But I think that when we examine not just the training, but the the mentality and the culture of policing, that good old boys network that exists in policing, that blue wall of silence that exists in policing, we start to realize that policing it's almost like a gang. It's like an US versus them, not a Hey, you know what, the people are very upset with us from making these mistakes, Let's figure out how to make less mistakes. Instead, they

tend to insulate themselves even further. And the folks that mostly benefit from policing in this country are very easy to convince that you know, policing serves your interests, so help us and support us and wave this flag with a blue stripe on it.

hero because he had a criminal past. And there was an unveiling of George Floyd's statue I believe he was in New York City, and a couple of days after that, someone threw paint on it, right to deface the statue, and of course people were immediately out there clean enough the paint or whatever, because that's what exists. George Floyd should not be made into a hero. Right. But then in Texas this might have been you know, a handful

of days ago, maybe a week ago. There there's this motion that's been approved to exonerate George Floyd from the crimes that he committed after another investigation of what actually went on. You know, he's not the criminal that folks made him out to be. He was a normal person living a normal life. And in the same way that Emmett Tiel. You know, history remembers him as you know, one of our heroes or one of the great names that we remember. You know, he lived fourteen years. He

didn't do great things. His biggest contribution to African American history is just dying getting dragged behind a truck and thrown in a river.

preserving that. Now. I do want to skip to this to the bottom here because we don't have a whole lot of time left. But back to Brady Stick. He is. He does have a lawsuit. His attorney argues that, you know, the officer caused his own injuries, accused the police of trying to use the injury to cover up their own mishandling of the rest. As we know, more than half of police killings are mislabeled. That's facts. That's from the

New York Times. Later, they found prop money in his wallet and they tried to book him on possession of forged currency, you know, the play money you can buy. They tried to book them on that, and then of course those charges were dismissed as well. And you know, here's a quote from the guy who says, when I got pulled over, I tried to come because the light was in my face and it scared me. He said in sign language on the footage, I couldn't see and I didn't like that, and I was frustrated. I came

over to see what was going on to me. I thought it was someone else. I didn't know I was the one. And with that, will take a pause for the cause. And now, well watch move my mic back like that we can strike.

is oftentimes a ready fire aim scenario. The police show up and then they'll shoot before they even know what's going on. And then this is able to happen over and over again because you know, the police officers are able to say they fear for their lives. Right. So what I found this on Twitter, and I thought this was where mentioning. I'm going to read this to if you witness a police interaction, especially with a person of color, film,

and here's the important part. Narrate loudly. Okay, got your camera out. Police are interacting with someone. This is how you can be a friend to this person. He is cooperating. His hands are empty, He is doing what he is told to do. He is holding still, his hands are empty. He is not being threatening. He has put his hands behind his head as asked. He is not resisting. And what it does is it lets the cops know what

the narrative of the eyewitness is going to be. And you know, if you say things like his hands are empty, the police should not become violent, even if it turned out that this person getting arrested had a weapon on his or her person, which, as we know, in this country, you have a right to have a weapon on your person. You know, right to have a gun on your person depends on who you are. Well, yes, but you know

I'm talking about the constitution. And so if you're filming and narrating at the same time, it helps the officers to know exactly what is being witnessed and to some degree. I believe it holds them a bit more accountable in that moment, and that might just make the difference. And so I believe that's a great way to become a better ally. With that said, how are your kids? Q? I'm so glad you asked me that. So my.

get into how early ideas can develop in children. So this I got a lot of this researched on. Used an article from USA Today. Over the past few months, schools have become under scrutiny over how they teach students about race and racism. A recent USA Today IPSIS poll found most parents believe children should learn about the ongoing effects of slavery and racism in US society, but slightly less than half support the teaching of critical race theory.

And I didn't know that. I figured that the majority of people would support it, but it says slightly less than half, which doesn't necessarily mean slightly more than half are opposed to it. You know, there's usually a no opinion somewhere in there, but I just didn't know that the numbers were that close, And there.

very critical, important and very small trivial things. So sure, there's less people that will honestly say I don't know now than people who are clueless but still very passionately and vehemently argue a point of view, even if they don't really have a take or a stance on it.

with it. It's a teaching that takes place in school. This isn't a virus, there is, there's nothing like that. This is we're going to teach our kids more stuff. They might not know this, so let's teach them that too. And there are people opposed to children learning because of how right wing media is able to do this. They can do this with climate change, they can do they can do this with anything. It's the wildest thing. They get a couple of people who go against the flow,

you know, the challenge what popular conventional wisdom is. I'm surprised they don't have more flat earthers on, you know, just because it's so fringe. But you know, I digress. You know. Slightly less than half support the teaching of critical race theory in US society. In that same USA today, sash ipsis Pole parents were most likely to say children should start learning about racism in kindergarten, which is the

youngest age group they could select. Children will be exposed to racism regardless of whether they learn about it in the classroom, experts say, so that is one sort of silver lining there is that folks for the most part will say that, yes, we need to teach children what race is and that racism is bad at a very

young age. Right, Perhaps folks have come to the realization that if they don't teach their children, then perhaps other children might teach them, you know, and the other folks opinions might indoctrinate their kids, you know what I mean. And so let's teach our kids to be good people so that you know, Billy Bob's dad's ideas that he taught to his five year old don't make their way into my five year old's head, you know, or whatever.

beautiful flag. That's the pushback. It's not don't teach our kids that racism is bad. We agree that racism is bad. That's why we aren't racist. Don't shine a light on how racist we really are. And don't you dare imply that this country's foundation has any roots whatsoever is in or white supremacy.

they'll you know, rewrite the story. And what a disadvantage these children would be that, you know, for having learned things in a whitewashed way so that they could love the country more. I don't like people, and I might get in trouble for saying this, but people that love this country so much, I think they're they're missed that they have to be missing something, you know, because it's

it's a country. You I'm sure you can love it in the same way that you love breathing air, you know, but it's it's there, you know, and and really if you weren't really, if love is the word that comes to mind, I'm all for that. I love the word love. But to look at it like it's finished, it's perfect, there's no problems with it. It's either extremely self centered view that you have of the country where it's perfect for you, you know, or it ignores the reality. It's delusional,

you know. And for those people that it just has to be there, they listen, it makes me slightly uncomfortable. And I don't want my children to go through this, and I don't want anyone to call me racist. And you know, listen, we all have to grow, we all have to learn. I'm a man, and you know what I have to do all the time. I have to listen to women and not say anything. That is a challenge.

That is a current challenge that I'm dealing with. You know, I for some reason think that I can talk not just with women but with men, you know, all the time.

But when it comes to women. Lately, as I've been reading and learning how to be a better man and a better brother to my sisters that I share this plant with, I recognize that women oftentimes don't feel heard in having a conversation with men, and even if I'm not the reason for that, I do have an opportunity to perhaps help write a different story, and so I'll own it. I'll take it. I'm going to listen. You know. I'm not going to offer any advice. I'm not going

to unless you ask for it, you know. And I don't look at the world like, oh, this makes me slightly uncomfortable. I'm accustomed to saying everything that comes into my brain, Nope, you need something, and I'm able to give it to you. I got you, Let's go. You know, James Brown said, this is a man's world, and if I got to bring a little bit more balance to the universe by listening, I don't think that's a tall order.

Now that's just me personally, but I think that you could find a parallel in there if you are a kind and decent human being who's committed to, you know, an equitable experience for all of us to share this planet. And to be fair, you know, as we stated, there's a good amount of people who have a similar view. But it's just so interesting now. I do want to move on, because here we go at birth. Research shows babies look equally at faces of all races, but they

quickly begin to note physical differences in people. According to Allan, who is Rosemary Allen, Sorry I missed that parton. She's a professor of early childhood education at the Metropolitan State University of Denver. So children begin to quickly notice physical differences in people within a few months, to pay more attention to faces whose race matches that of their caregivers.

By nine months, they can lose the ability to distinguish between faces of other races if they're not exposed to diversity. Absence such exposure, for example, a white baby can distinguish between the faces of her white caregivers, but not between those of black people. In other words, to babies that are not around black people, all black people look the same,

but white people. It's not true, you know. And I'm sure that because we're dealing with babies, it's the opposite or the inverse of that is true as well, you know. And what we're talking about is a preference. We're talking about,

you know, how you frame the world. This is not to suggest that racism is something that develops on its own, you know, in early childhood, but it is to suggest that exposure to different types of people in early childhood certainly allows for children to be more receptive to different types of people as they enter school and as they begin to formulate their opinions on the way the world works from their place in the world. And again, a father of two sons and you know, you're a father

of a son and a daughter. One who is your daughter is two years old. I thought that was very interesting, and that's something that is not necessarily a challenge to

white people, but to all people. You know, if this studies, if studies like this suggest that diversity enriches our lives, helps us to be more empathy, to understand each other better, to move more in sync with each other as opposed to, you know, on opposite ends of a spectrum, which is, you know, as you mentioned, is really what's been happening a lot lately in this country. Then early and frequent

exposure to other types of people is absolutely helpful. But I would take it a step further, you know, because you know, we've been talking about critical right theory in schools. I would go so far as to say that that type of exposure not just to people, but to information about who are these people. Where do they come from, Where do their problems come from? What are the things that make them happy? What are the things that make them afraid? We're going to share this planet, We're going

to share this country. Let me try to make sure that I understand as much as I can about who I'm sharing this country with. I need to learn about me, but let me learn about these people too. You know, when I was in school, I learned about all kinds of stuff. You know, I went to school and then went back and then went back, So that thirst for knowledge was it. I mean, I wouldn't say too much about trigonometry classes and you know econ and finance. You know,

I was a business major. But there's a lot to be said about learning about different people. There's a lot to be said about learning things that you otherwise wouldn't know. And again, this attack on critical race theory. I think that this study suggests above all else that we need to celebrate and learn about each other's differences in schools. Now, I'm gonna say this last thing, and I want to

get your thoughts. By the time they're two years old, many children uh demonstrate a strong preference for their own race, and by three, they begin to categorize people based on their race. It's during these early experiences that implicit biases, preconceived often negative perceptions about people who are different, begin to entrench themselves in children's minds. What do you think about that?

contact with that are racist. That's just a fact, but they will at some point in their lives, maybe even having a hard have a hard time fitting into some type of subsocial group because they don't fully belong to one or the other.

children from these truths. It's sometimes scary, it's sometimes frustrating. Similar to what you said, I'm an adult, and I still have so much to learn. To deny my children the opportunity to or the ability to learn about these things that are more important here than probably anywhere else on earth would be malpracticed as a parent. So I don't pretend to know the right way, and I think I have to make sure I remind our listeners. I do not pretend to be an expert on any of

the things that we talk about. I am, however, an expert on how they make me feel. And that's what you guys listen to when you hear me on this show. I'm just telling you how these things make me feel, and unfortunately, a lot of the times it's not very hopeful and it's not very happy.

And so I I think it's wonderful. Now, I do want to say this for our brothers and sisters who have less melanin. There's a lot that you can do with this. Obviously, when it comes to children, you know, have your children around different types of people. You know, black children, brown children. You know, we our children grow up with dolls and watching TV, and you know there's white there's white faces are plentiful growing up, but the opposite might not be true. And so you know there's

something that you can do there. Another thing is make sure to take this conversation and have it in your home, have it with your parents, have it with people. Let's learn about each other. I need I need to. You know, you teach people how to love you, you know, so also be willing to talk you know, be willing to share. I think that will go a long way. And I want to leave you with a quote from Rosemary Allen,

the author of this study. She says, in order to break the trend, we have to make sure that diversity is well presented in the lives of our children. So yeah, and moving on, it is time for us to.

this country is very hurtful. And that trauma, you know, there are people who say that that trauma is kind of is woven into our dna. You know, it's it's impacted, you know, our our responses and how we how we feel about things, and how we go about dealing with things. And sometimes we're not able to outreason these things. But here's another such instance of some traumatic events that happened

in this country for black people. And again I'm not saying this to beat up on anyone or to play up the past for any reason other than to say it helps for us to understand, because you know, one domino knocks over the next domino over the next, over the next, over the next, and then if you only look at what happened at the end, you're not getting the full picture, you know. So this comes from PBS dot org. Five ways prisoners were used for profit throughout

US history. I'm going to be going through numbers three through five because they're the most relevant and based on time, that's what we have. So number three, selling children into slavery. Before the Civil War, most prisoners in the South were white. The punishment of enslaved African Americans was generally left up to their owners. Louisiana, however, did imprison enslaved people for serious crimes, generally involving acts of rebellion against the slave system.

A number of these imprisoned slaves were women. Penitentiary records show a number of women in prison for assaulting a white arson or attempting to poison someone. Most likely they're enslavers. Some of these female prisoners became pregnant, either by fellow inmates or prison officials. In eighteen forty eight, state legislatures passed the law declaring that all children born in the penitentiary to African Americans serving life sentences would become property

of the state. The women would raise the children inside the prison until the age of ten, at which point they would be auctioned on the courthouse steps. Many of the buyers were prison officials, including heads of the companies that ran the penitentiary. The proceeds were used to fund schools for white children. That is directly from PBS dot org. Quick thought, what do you think.

no prospects, you know what I mean. So we're reading over this and these are things that we've kind of known already, and it's just like, not only is there this gross not only has there always been this gross undertaking abuse, ah, just throwing away complete humane disregard of our people. But even in war, women are women and children are supposed to be you know what I'm saying, Like they're they're women and children are off limits even in war, except when it came to good old America

and it's abduction, enslavement. And I want to say, if they could have had it their way, attempted genocide of black people, there was no low they wouldn't go to.

and mine coal for private companies and planters. The system, known as convict leasing, was profitable not only for the lesses but for the states themselves, which typically demanded a cut of the profits. Tennessee months made ten percent of its state budget from convict leasing. There was simply no incentive for lessies to avoid working people to death. In

many ways, the system was more brutal than slavery. The annual convict death rates ranged from sixteen to twenty five percent, a mortality rate that would rival the Soviet Soviet gulags to come. In eighteen seventy, Alabama prison officials reported more than forty percent of their convicts had died in their mining camps and then the next one squeezing every dollar

out of prisoners. Around the end of the nineteenth century, states became jealous of the profits that lessies were making from their convicts, and Texas, a former slaveholder and prison superintendent, began an experiment quote unquote. The state bought two plantations of its own to work inmates that were not fit enough to hire out as first class labor. As a

business venture, it was a success. In just over a decade, the state was making around one point twenty five million in today's dollars from its plantations, exceeding its income from the convict lease system. By nineteen twenty eight, the state of Texas would be running twelve plantations. States throughout the South stopped hiring out their convicts to private businessmen and ran their own plantations, keeping all the profits to squeeze

every dollar they could from their prisoners. Some states instituted a trustee guard system, using inmates rather than paid guards to watch over their prisons. Typically, prisoners convicted of the most brutal were appointed to the job because of their willingness to shoot others. If a trustee guard shot an inmate assumed to be escaping, he was granted an immediate parole. Like slave drivers before the emancipation, certain prisoners were chosen

to whip inmates in the fields. Arkansas allowed the practice until nineteen sixty seven. Shortly after whipping was abolished, its prison plantation stopped turning the profit and subsequently closed and Unfortunately, there's no real time for a reaction there, but I can imagine what yours might be, So you got something quick ten seconds.