Civic Cipher 082121 Ramses Ja & Q Ward

Remember that annoying thing that we all had to participate in. Well, we're gonna learn how the country has been evolving and how things look and how the land lays with respect

to the population and demographics and what that means. Also, we're going to talk about another unfortunate police shooting that took place in San Bernardino County in California, where an officer executed an unarmed black man, this time in a porta potty, And we're going to peel away some of the layers of that and really find out what's going on and what's being done to address that is of course, we're going to have to say his name so that his life is not snuffed out in vain, so that

there's another lesson that we can learn from and hopefully move forward with a little bit more mentum for making the world more equitable for all of us. Also, we're going to talk about our baba section. That was it? Sorry, our baba section. I really wanted to share this story that happened at the Olympics where an athlete ran into some trouble, had someone look out for him, and a really good story came of it, and I think there's a lesson we can all learn from that. But first,

let's talk about some ebony excellence. How about that.

a crime they didn't commit. She did a film on that story for modern Time so we could look back and find out more about the store and have some insight. Well,

she is putting together a show for LeVar Burton. For those that don't know, LeVar Burton really tried to go hard and audition for the Jeopardy Spot after Alex Trebek passed away, and there was a lot of fans support, a lot of support of that online, and ultimately LeVar Burton was passed over, and so Ava Duverne, with all of her power, star power and her Hollywood might is putting together a game show specifically for LaVar Burton and

hopefully is going to capitalize on that. And I think that that is an excellent example of any excellence, and so we wanted to shout out Ava Duverne for what she's doing and what she continues to do.

would have been enthusiastic about. So the fact that they passed over him, I think even further illuminates why it's necessary oftentimes for black people to have the capacity to create a black space so that black voices can be heard, which is, you know, we we have to give credit to a lot of the programmers that carry our show, because these are folks that are giving us an opportunity to share our black voices with other black folks, but

also for folks who empathize and sympathize and our supporters of black people's plight with respect to social justice. So again shout out to Ava Duberne. But now it's time for us to talk about the census. So I'll go first. For those that don't know the census, it happens every ten years, So we have a and it happens on the tenth year, so nineteen ninety, two thousand, twenty ten. The most recent one was twenty twenty, and so we have a decade by decade accounting of the population in

this country and how the population is spread out. You know, how much money people make, their education levels, their ethnic makeup, and that's what we're going to focus on today and so forth. And we have we're able to chart this data since the beginning of the first census that we ever did in this country. And something that's interesting and I thought was we're talking about today, is for the first time, the number of white people fell according to

the census. Now, I have a report here, it's from the Washington Post, and I'll read a little bit from it. The report marks the first time the absolute number of people who identify as white alone has shrunk since the census started being taken in seventeen ninety. The number of people identifying as non Hispanic white and no other race dropped by five point one million people to one hundred and ninety one point seven million, a decrease of two

point six percent. The country also passed two more milestones on its way to becoming a majority minority society in the coming decades. For the first time, the portion of white people dipped below sixty percent, slipping from sixty three point seven percent in twenty ten to fifty seven point eight percent in twenty twenty, and the under eighteen population is now majority people of color at fifty two point

seven percent. So fifty two point seven percent to one degree or another signals that sometime in the that's that's proof positive right there, that sometime in the next we'll call it thirty years, especially if this trend continues, but perhaps even before that, certainly within our lifetimes, we're going to see that white people will make up less than half of the population in this country. And I think

that it's important for us to discuss this. Now. Let me start by saying, I recognize that this show exists to illuminate certain facets of the black experience that are not available to a lot of ours. Listeners. And I don't want to pretend like that's not what we're here to do, but I think that we also need to understand what's going on with I don't want to call this our adversity, but there's a huge significant population in Middle America that I can't speak for these people, but

I would guess that they maybe they're not enemies. They're not people who are like all black people need to die and all Mexican people need to go to Mexico. Like, they're not those people. But they're also not people who are really concerned about what goes on with black folks, and they're really just trying to focus on them. They really couldn't care less. They found Jesus and they got a couple of shotguns, and they're like, listen, man, I

don't know any black people. I don't know any Hispanics folks. I'm just doing me.

asked for. It's not a huge opposition, but there's a huge amount of people where it's just not their fight. They don't care one way or the other. And it's those people's silence that allows that vocal minority opposition to feel like a and it feels like an equal sort

of match. You will, right, yeah. Now, there's been a lot of great leaders who have really spoken to that white apathy that exists in some parts of this country where they just can't identify, they can't really get out of their own, you know, their own world and their own reality to see that the world might be different for someone else or don't care to. And I recognize that that's very important in keeping us from moving forward.

But if we can address and we can really find a way to be brothers and sisters with those people, perhaps we can bring them into our world. We can exchange information and exchange perspectives. And this is granted, I'm an idealist. I'm one of those people that you know, believes that the world has infinite potential and that we all, as brothers and sisters on this planet, have infinite potential to love each other and be better to each other and kinder. But I think that this also helps frame

why there's that disconnect. This illuminates what it is that they might think that their problems are a great way of putting it is, you know, if the white population is shrinking, then that means that the world is changing and their position in the world is shifting, and there's got to be some to some degree or another and shift an identity or I wouldn't call it an identity crisis because it's a slow moving train, but that has to have some sort of effect on the way things

feel to you. And if it becomes scary to you that, Okay, we're losing in terms of the population, we're becoming the minor already, these other folks are really growing, then it's really easy for that vocal minority to pitch this narrative that we're losing this country to this type of people, those type of people, that type of people, let's get

back to fighting for our country. And then in those narratives you can kind of instill this idea of patriotism, this idea of return to the way things once were, you know, and then you can point to data that says, look, clearly, you're losing this quote fight. You know, this is just

the way. This is mother nature. Mother nature has decided that we're all going to interbreed, and we're all going to you know, propagate the species in such a way to where we become stronger, better, you know, healthier, live longer lives, and are more intelligent, et cetera. But you know, get let the wrong people tell the story. You know, you can get folks really scared about population shift. And then there are some other things in here that I would love to get your thoughts on. The first let

me read this first part again. It's from the Washington Post. The new data shows how ethnic, racial, and voting age makeup of neighborhoods have shifted over the past decade, based on the national House to House canvas last year. It is the data most state legislatures and local governments used

to redraw political districts for the next ten years. The opioid epidemic and lower than anticipated birth rates among millennials after the Great Recession accelerated the white population's decline, and then it goes on to say Asian people, who made up about three percent of the population in nineteen ninety also dubbled the share shared to six point one percent, while black populations share held steady at twelve point one percent. So I want to also focus on the lower birth rates,

lower than anticipated birth rates, and the opioid epidemic. So what happens is white people are also dying at a faster rate while they're failing to repopulate. And those two things make just the shifting. Because if the numbers are just shifting, I could point to nature and say like, yeah, that's just you know, there's people now identifying as two races, or there's you know, folks that are more comfortable checking a box and identifying with who they really are versus

you know whatever. I can make up a bunch of stuff like that, and people can excuse it. But when you look at the statistics to say people are dying at a way higher rate, and they're pointing to an epidemic, the opioid epidemic and saying that, you know, the birth rates are falling, then it becomes like, oh, wow, do we panic? And I think it's important for us to understand that the reality for our Caucasian brothers and sisters might be shifting, and there might be a basis for

this fear that some of these folks have. There might be a basis for this paranoia. And when there's a basis for it, and someone gives them the right narrative,

then it's easy to go down that path. It's not to say that these are good, decent folks, because a good number of them are not that, But it is to say that when the world is shifting around you and someone gives you an enemy to point to, it's really easy to say, oh, this is the source of my problems and then take up arms, or take up a flag with a blue stripe on it, or take up a Trump flag or whatever, and say I'm gonna stand with my people. It's us versus them, let's go

to war. And I'm not trying to say that that's okay. I would never do that, certainly would never do that on this show, but I would never do it anyway. I don't believe that that's the case, but I do recognize that us fighting against each other is never gonna get us anywhere. It's gonna decrease the birth rates and the you know, the living rates for both sides, you know,

and the quality of life in the interim. But I do recognize that if we have conversations that speak to these concerns and we know how to empathize, and we know how to I don't know the right conversation, I don't have the language, of course, but if we have the capacity and the empathy for a shifting world and the uncertainty that a lot of our Caucasian brothers and sisters Middle America types are facing, that once upon a time, the American dream was theirs and now it's you know,

they see their family dying of drug overdoses and their parents are addicted to pills, and you know, the population is shifting, and someone gives and they're not millionaires and rock stars like they were promised. You know, the American dream is everyone grows up and you're going to be famous and you're going to do this and that and the other. And they grow up and that's not true

for them, you know. And then someone said come along and says, well, you know, we don't have jobs because everyone's taking the jobs to Mexico or China or whatever. And again not to empathize, but it is to say, Okay, there's a connection between this, that and the other thing, and if we know that, then perhaps a conversation might still work because if people can learn something, they can unlearn it, they can recognize Okay, there's different sources and

there's different ways to tell these stories. The numbers don't always explain themselves readily to people who are uninitiated to interpreting data. And so I think that that is important for us to talk about because I still believe that I don't want to say we can talk our way through this part of our lives, you know what I mean.

But I do believe that conversations and education and fortunately we have a show on a platform to share with our listeners, and people that listen to our show are the type of people who would have conversations out in their respective circles and you know, provide a little bit of you know, levity when when it matters, and context when that matters, and insight and so forth, and in this case perhaps bringing along a little bit of empathy.

So that's what those are my thoughts on the population shift. How do you feel about it?

agree with really everything that you said. The I don't know if sad is the right word, but the kind of discouraging point is that the idea that an entire group, an entire portion of our population would be prone to fear of there being less of what they deem the pure race, right, because there's not going to be less people in general, but like you said, there might be more people that are inclined or brave enough to check that other box that they, once upon a time would

have avoided, especially people that could pass for white, when it seemed that I'd have a better existence, a better life, and a better experience in this world if I identify as a white person. So our sons and daughters growing up together, falling in love and having children should be celebrated.

Except we have this, ever, this ever taught and ever ingrained system of white supremacy that would teach people that they should be afraid and scared that something's going to be taken away from them based on that, and it points to something that we I like on almost every show, that a very very cornerstone principle of the foundation of

our country was white supremacy and channel slavery. Coming from that idea, This entire group of people that were thought of as less than thing beneath an entire other group were actually every group of people was thought of as beneath white people in this country. So the fact that those numbers going down would be something that would stoke fearing people religious points to how far we still have

to go. Encouraging though, because one day, my brother Ramsay definitely feels like one day there will be some ground made up by that silent majority, right, because the statistics are starting to bear truth that there are just in number less people prone to continue to teach and prop up this world where we're looking down at people who

are different than us and considering them beneath us. But that minority is loud, and they are in positions of power and influence still, and as long as they're in those positions, we can see it. They are fighting tooth and nail to maintain that system that they created, to keep stoking those fires of fear, to keep creating division whenever they can, and to keep as much power and

influence for themselves and their children as they can. So you know, our voice isn't as loud as I wish it as I wish it was, or as loud as it may be one day, But we do have a voice. We are having these conversations, as difficult as they may be, that have some time. I'm encouraged at the idea that this next generation has more people that identify as some

mixture of things than just singularly white. Not because I have an issue at all with white people, but the exact opposite, the idea that if my son or your son, or the sons and daughters of our white brothers and sisters, could meet each other and not just become friends, but fall in love, start families, whatever the case, and that

not be something that's frowned upon by the masses. Our hopes, my hopes more specifically, is that those who have remained silent and indifferent for centuries could just care a little bit more or speak a little bit louder, and we can have a better representation of what the country really

looks like, really thinks like, really feels like. Then we seem to when it's time to cast our votes and shout out to the people who actually participated in the census, because a lot of people I don't think understand how important.

brothers and sisters. So I want to read this. It's a quote from Arturo Vargas, who's the chief executive of the NA l EO Educational Fund, a Latino advocacy group. He said the numbers for Hispanics were quote lower than expected, but not a surprise because the initial apportionment numbers in April were lower than we expected. End quote. Nevertheless, quote it is extraordinary that Latinos accounted for more than fifty

percent of growth for all the total US population. He said that more than one out of two new Americans is a Latino. Speaks volumes about the policies and decisions leaders need to make to ensure a strong America of the future. We need investments in Latino children, the children in our classrooms today are our future doctors and lawyers

and political leaders. And I love that because that also remember, the black population relatively is the same huge growth with Latino numbers, and it was still in his belief, in his estimation, under reported. And so that is the changing world that we live in. It's not good or bad. It just is what it is and we have to deal with it and we will. And now.

see her run. And she's running this weekend at the Prefontaine Classic, and she will be competing against the three Jamaican sprinters that won gold, silver, and brons at the Olympics, so that should be pretty exciting.

the wrong bus. That was it, and he ended up having to go back and he was late for his meat and so now he needed a car, like a direct way to get there, and a stranger gave him money to get in a car. And then after he won the gold medal, he went back and found the stranger. It was a little lady, and he repaid her, brought her a shirt, took a picture with her, and of course thanked her. And our Baba is not for him,

it's for her. I didn't get her name, but her instagram is at d Underscore Tree Fairy, and you know it, for a lot of folks, especially in our experience, it takes a lot to be able to even have a black person approach you if you're you know, a non black woman, you know, out on the street, even if he's asking for help. You know, just I think the world has conditioned a lot of folks to be leery

of that. Not everyone, but some folks. So the fact that she not only was able to help but also gave him money, I think that that shows a lack of prejudice and I want to see more of that in the world. So shout out to at the Underscore Tree Fairy, whatever your real name is, we salute you, thank you for being a better ally. And now onto some less cool news. M always that that's the name of the game. So we're going to talk about somebody who is no longer alive again on Civic Cipher. So

let's dig into it. This article comes from the Grio. It's another publication that tells black stories that may not make it to Newsweek, CNN, you know Fox, of course. So I'll get into it. Headlined unarmed man fatally shot by California police in portable toilet. Fontana Police on Thursday released a statement narrated by Chief Billy Green from the

fatal encounter. Green said, the man and this is his name, de Verion Deanre Canard, was holding a quote, metallic object in his hand as he sat on the portable toilet, and it turned out to be a lighter. Canard was killed February thirteenth, the day before his twenty ninth birthday. The city of Fontana has agreed to settle with his parents, According to the Press Enterprise, the law firm that represented the family and people claim to not immediately respond to

requests for comment. So let's start there. First thing, this happened in February. We're hearing about it now. That's mostly because people need to investigate video footage. They need to investigate what happened, and there's a certain amount of time allowed for people to release bodycam footage, and it varies from state to state. I'm sure it varies from department to department. And so that's why the story is just making its way to us and to be fair, because

I don't have to be unfair to the police. To be fair to the police, sometimes those investigations turn up surprises. It's very rare, but it does happen, and so if

they need to investigate, they need to investigate. But we on this show cannot afford to let lives just get snuffed doubt without holding someone accountable, without telling the story, and without bringing some without illuminating it so that we're aware that this wasn't just you know, George Floyd, this wasn't just Michael Brown, this wasn't just Breonna Taylor, this wasn't just you know, Eric Garner, this wasn't just you know,

pick a name. That these are things that still continue to happen every day, and these things very much shape the way the world looks for a lot of black and brown folks. So in this case, it's Deverion DeAndre Cannard who lost his life. Now, I'm going to tell the story before I read it, just so that there are no surprises here in my estimation based on what the video held, I didn't watch the video. Did you watch it? Q?

beings get executed as they're hiding in Porta potties. But I did read story, so I'll share with you the listener what I know in my estimation based on the way the story was written in the Grio. This man, de Verian, was britt He'd broken into a house and he was leaving the house carrying like a TV or something like that, and the police or the people in the house called the police. The police showed up and then he fled the scene. De Verian fled the scene.

So that has to be established that you know, this guy was caught in the act, if you will, right, lots of people have stolen things in the past, not saying what this man did was right if he if in fact he did it, he never got to go to court, never got to say his peace. We don't know if that was his TV. We don't know the story.

He's not here to tell it. But if if we're going to assume worst case scenario that he was in a home stealing something, oftentimes that is a crime that can be you know, folks can be rehabilitated from that. Oftentimes there's a reason for that, you know. And we can save the human being, we can save the life, we can save the heartbeat, we can save the consciousness

and we can rehabilitate the criminal behavior. Oftentimes that will happen, or at least there's an opportunity for that to happen, a greater opportunity for that to happen if the person is less melanated. And that has been the experience that I've had in my lifetime at now thirty nine years as of today of living. It is my birthday, so I had to shout out myself on time.

You know, it's something that at least folks will consider, like can I get away from this? So he's hiding in a porta potty and he has a lighter. As the article mentioned, he had had a lighter in one hand. Lighter is tiny little things about the size of your finger, and in the other hand it was empty. Now, my guess is that if he's hiding at night in a porta potty, he's perhaps using the lighter for light. It's my guess. But you know who knows. Now I'll read

a little bit more. Officer Johnny two Tavake, Maybe I got that wrong, who was identified in the settlement, was sworn into the department in February twenty nineteen. He remains on duty. The shooting remains under investigation by the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office to see if any criminal charges will be filed. And just so you know, we don't anticipate any criminal charges being filed. Ever, very very rarely does that ever happen, and even rarer still does

it result in a conviction. The Fontana Police are conducting an internal review to determine if departmental policy was followed. In the video, which includes a one call about a residential burglary in progress, Footage from a doorbell camera shows a man walking around the home and removing a screen from a window taking it out of you. So I guess that screen was not a TV, as perhaps a window screen. The man, who police say was Canard, went

into the home through the window. Police arrived and found the screen removed and saw Canard inside. He ran out the back door as police officers followed on foot and by car and searched the area. About one thousand feet from the home. To Tavake found a portable toilet and opened the door, shining his flashlight. Due to the limited lighting in this case, the footage does not clearly show

what the officer saw. Green, the police chief, said, The video shows Canard, fully clothed, sitting on the toilet with his arms folded in his lap. He appeared to wave to the officer with his left hand. His palm is open and nothing is in his hand. Then Cannard rolled quote rolled a metallic object in his right hand toward the officer. Green said to Tavake, closed the portable toilet's door and took out his gun. The police department shows this with screenshots of the footage because it occurs too

quickly to see in real time video. To Tavake then reopened the door and filed a single shot killing Canard. Green said the entire encounter from when to Tavake first opened the door to opening fire was two point five seconds.

would be on trial for at least manslaughter. The person whose house this guy broke into would not have been able to pursue him to apport a party and murder him. So, I mean, my initial response is the same as always not only did this man not deserve to die for this, but no one does. And that is the sentiment that we continue to echo when we scream that black lives matter. We're not telling you to prioritize black life. We're not even requesting that you celebrated the way that we do,

just allow it to have an existence. Like when that becomes too much to ask, that's when you, guys, see my I heighten level of frustration because we we know that the outcomes are different when the perpetrators look different and they do far more heinous things like murder multiple people. When law enforcement arrives, they are taken into custody to see their day in court for far more heinous crimes than breaking into someone's home and taking a television or

whatever this young man took. And yes, please Rams offer something.

don't think it's the burglary. I don't understand from what I've read him to have stolen anything. He probably was just kind of caught in someone else's house, So I mean, but even if he stole everything, Yeah, you're right. I'm just just so that we have it nailed down here. The other thing that I wanted to talk about is, you're absolutely right. We've seen a lot of times police interact with non melanated individuals with a lot more in the way of compassion and a lot less fear.

to be a certain kind of a way. You know, like if you see black man and you've associated black men with criminal behavior your whole life and gangbangers and so forth and whatever, because that's what you've been fed by society. Not all black men are gang bangers. In fact, a very very extremely tiny amount are relative to the amount of black men that exist on the planet, there's black men who've never even heard of gang banging. You know,

that's a fact. But if you're taught that, then that becomes your reality and you're seeing that before you see your training or before you see whatever, and so that fear takes over. So that means like, Okay, I just need an excuse to pull this trigger because I'm terrified because this person is in this port of body to kill me. Not he's in there because he's scared of me, you know, he's in there.

protect yourself you harm someone else. That would make sense to even the most compassionate person, Right. So I don't want us to always give them the get out of jail free card of fear. Some of these people are not afraid at all. They just have their minds made up when they put that gun in that holster that given the right set of circumstances, they're going to take it out of that hoster. And sometimes that has nothing

to do with them being afraid. As the example show, when the people are running the opposite direction of you, you're probably not afraid of them.

runs away, and they shot him in the back. And you're absolutely right because fear doesn't factor into that, It can't factor into that. There's this is the least threatening behavior humanly possible. I'm running away from you, you know. So you're absolutely right, and that needs to be discussed as well. But you know, for me, giving the benefit of the doubt helps me to have, at least, in this case, a little bit more fear approach to it.

Let's let's be fair, let's not villainize this person. Let's give him all the possible, you know, whatever that we can, and I bet any amount of money this will still be wrong. You know. Let's give him all the latitude, all the rope that he can possibly use, and I'll bet he'll still own up hanging at the end of it. The other thing that I want to make sure that we talk about is on this show, we do deal

with policing a lot. We deal with politics, of course, we deal with day to day life and activities, and we try to talk about some happy things, you know, as well. But we deal with policing a lot. And I recognize that the black experience exists beyond the bounds of police enforcement in our society. You know, there's lots of things that happen that affect Black people, in brown people and Native people in a lot of ways that

have nothing to do with policing. But policing is the institution that can operate with impunity, that has taken so much away from the black family structure, especially over many decades. Over all this time, it is very much, in my estimation, weakened the black family structure and the framework of Black society. This over policing, this abusive policing, this you know, disproportionate

jailing and so forth. When you look at the statistics of who's locked away and who's not, and then you look at, you know, the outcomes of those decisions, and you look at environments where you know Black people are

not thriving or prospering. You know, I think that you can tell a story about how these policies and these practices have eroded the foundation of those black societies, and so policing, it is, is kind of the front line for a huge white supremacist system that disproportionately affects, negatively affects black and brown people. And because that's the that's what we bump up against very often as people in black and brown communities. A lot of times the stories

begin and end right with policing. Sometimes they don't make it to court, sometimes they don't make it to you know,

the other end of a story. And so I need folks to know that while we do talk about that a lot, we recognize the experience for black and brown folks as much broader than that, of course, but you know, that is something that we do need to talk about in addition to all of the other things that happen on a corporate level, based on you know, how capitalism affects black and brown people, you know, perhaps worst of all, and benefits you know, less melanated individuals most of all.

And so obviously there's a lot of us who wouldn't really be huge fans of it, and on and on. But again, policing is just one of those things that we're able to really see it and see people get away with it. And there's this stunning silence that exists across America that only broke up during you know, really the George Floyd protests in my lifetime at least, and so certainly something.

organization of black nationalists. As a group, they advocated for separate but equal status for persons of African ancestry, and as such they sought to establish independent black states around the world, notably in Liberia on the West coast of Africa. Although his legacy as a leader and activist lives on, Garvist separatists and black nationalist views would not embrace by

many of his peers. In fact, W. E. B. Du Bois of NAACP famously said Marcus Garvey is the most dangerous enemy of the Negro race in America and in the world. However, Garvey's supporters prefer to focus on his key message, which was steeped in African American pride. After all, he is credited with coining the phrase black is beautiful.

His philosophy is perhaps exemplified in the following quote, we must canonize our own saints, create our own martyrs, and elevate to positions of fame and honor black men and women who have made their distinct contributions to our racial history. I am the equal of any white man. I want you to feel the same way. That comes from history.

So people that opposed him and found him dangerous to the progression of black people were more afraid of the backlash because we were not in a position where we had much leverage to gain any controller, or had any power or influence. So someone who was perceived as radical for his thoughts on us being separatists and you know, black nationalists and you know, going back to a land that we could call ours, people pushed back because of the fear of hey man, we're making a little bit

of progress here. Don't make too much noise. You're gonna take away what we have kind of thinking. So, you know, I just want to lend some insight to that.

Whoever this person is listening to the show. We need this person to know that we consider them a brother or a sister, but also have some very difficult conversations and deal with a reality that they may not be privy to. And so it's a delicate balance to say, hey, look, we have a problem here, and it's your problem as well as my problem, but also not to overwhelm someone because the truth is they could live their life and you know, don't care how many black people get shot

in the streets. As long as not happen to them, They're fine. You know that they could conceivably have that attitude, and perhaps some listeners of this show did have that

attitude before twenty twenty, you know what I mean. And so I recognize that it does oftentimes take more than one perspective, black perspective, because there it took Malcolm, I believe, for people to listen to Mark Martin, you know, and maybe it takes Ramses for people who listen to Q you know, or you know or something like that, you know, and or maybe it takes another show to have people listening to civic scipe or vice versa. You know, I don't know that I have I don't I don't profess

to have any answers. I would never do that. I do know that the conversations need to be had, and I recognize that as a broadcast rum in a position to do that. And therefore we've shifted, you know, at least in my career, I've shifted away from you know, playing just playing hip hop songs to really talking about things that really matter, really trying to save lives and

really trying to create better world. And fortunately, these various radio stations will give give us an hour of their airtime so that we can have conversations and hopefully emboldened listeners, allies and black and brown folks as well, so that we can all go out with this information and this you know, insight and try to make the world a

better place. It's unfortunate that, you know, we have to deal with a lot of doom and gloom in Black America, but that's I think a part of the cleaning up process. And then maybe one day we can get to just kind of maintaining, you know, a happy fellowship with with you know, the other races that we share this country and this planet with. And so I with that said, I recognize that, Yeah, Marcus Garvey, some of his views were not shared, as Wirl put it with you know,

his counterparts at the time. And you know, as a result, he's his name is not certainly not as popular as you know, some of the other folks. I mean, we know his name, but you know, there's a lot of people listening right now that may have never heard of Marcus Garvey. But again, I think that it takes Marcus Garvey.

It takes people to say, hey, listen, I'm black, that black is beautiful, and that you know, we need to have black industry and we need to you know, what do you say about our own saints, canonize our own saints something like that.

see what you're saying. You know that it might have been somewhere in the middle we would have figured out a way from but because it was that was not the case. And it was kind of championed largely by white folks in opposition to people just saying black lives matter.