102123 The Hamas-Israel War (Part 1)

domestic issues. We talk about issues that are relevant to black people, brown people, Indigenous people, lgbt qia plus people, Asian people, and other marginalized groups. And we're going to take a break from our normal content to discuss the war. I hesitate to call it a conflict because it's rather more than that. In Palestine, in Israel, these are things that have caused a lot of strong reactions online and a lot of people to say a lot of things.

And we are not going to use today's episode to suggest that anyone feel any way one way or another, because it's a complicated situation, and the more that we look into it, the more complicated we're learning that it is. I have been having some conversations with some people that I respect, who people who are more partial toward the Israeli side of things, people are more partial toward the

Palestinian side of things. All of these people are kind people and want what's best for the human beings involved. But I think it's our duty and at Q suggestion, we are going to spend today to talk about it. So stick around for that. We are going to do our best with this content and hopefully do right by you, our listener. But first and foremost, like we always do it, this time, let's start things off with some Ebny excellence,

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into two pieces. First, we're going to talk about Palestine, and the second part of the show, we're going to talk about Israel and I. The first thing I want to say is that neither one of us are experts. We are cues from Detroit. I'm from Compton, California. The closest I've ever been to either of these places is Egypt, and that was like a tourist vacation. You know, my name is Ramsays, so I had to go there. I love Muslim people. I've spent time in Muslim countries. I

think that Islam is a religion of peace. I think it's the most beautiful religion in the world. And I'm not religious person, but just as an observer of the beauty and the culture that religion tends to encompass, I can say those things with a certainty. While I'm here, I will say that, you know, I grew up with Jewish people. I believe that Jewish people have been the

kindest to me that I've ever met. I've always felt welcome in Jewish people's homes and circles and temples and you know, other places of worship and special sort of events and holidays. I don't eat pork because I love both of these groups of people, and I always want to be able to share a meal at a table with my Muslim brothers and sisters or my Jewish brothers and sisters. With that said, I don't want this to sound like I'm taking a side. Queues not taking a side.

This is not what we're here to do, but rather to explain sort of what's happening and perhaps why people over here, so far away, are so upset and feel so connected to this. So again we're starting with Palestine here. Yeah. First things first, there's a history here that goes back thousands of years. These are things that I didn't know because I haven't had to really wrap my head around

this stuff until recently. There's been conflict here going back a very very long time, and there's been a lot of lives lost as a result of these conflicts, and of course, you know, the people on the ground feel how they feel. I don't believe that there's anybody who's wrong or right overall, I believe there are individual actors or smaller groups that are that could be considered terrorist groups. Sure that do heinous things. Sure, but in terms of

the Muslims and the Jews, there's no one's wrong. In terms of Palestine and Israel, there's no one wrong. There are people who are in government, people, you know that sort of thing. I had a conversation with Amy Horowitz that I'll get into a little bit more on the second part of the show. But I asked him a question that I believe suggest how I feel about this. And I asked him, you know, says, you told me how the governments feel. You've told me how these actors feel,

the state, the officials, how the people feel. The people feel like we don't like Jews or we don't like Muslims, And he says some do, absolutely, but a good number of people don't feel that way. They've elected officials to represent their interests. And the connection that I made is that if we rewind the clock three four years ago, would Donald Trump represent Ramses's feelings on literally anything? And the answer would be no. Ramses is a human being

on the ground who happens to be an American. Donald trump Is at that point in time, was the elected leader of the country, and so he was able to speak for the country in a way that painted all of us with two broad a strokes. And so while we're talking about the people of Palestine, I don't want

this to devolve. It would never with me and you Q. But I don't want anyone listening to feel as though this conversation is headed toward devolving into people of Palestine are right and people of Israel are wrong, because that's not it. Nor are the people of Israel right and the people of Palestine wrong. This is just a conflict, and there's a lot of human rights relations and things like this that really need to be discussed.

wake up in that moment. That father should not be less heartbroken because he doesn't pray the way that you do. I love the way that you do, and look the way that you do. So the reason why I thought it was important to have this conversation is exactly what

you said. We're not here to say this group is right and this group is wrong, just that everyone should agree that a baby should not be killed by a missile while in the hospital or while in its home, not in a war zone, not participating in any type of conflict. Wars happened between governments and their militaries, but

there are rules and laws with regards to war. Even talking about war that way makes me uncomfortable because there's amounts of murder that we're okay with as long as it's a part of the as long as it's a part of the war, and yeah, you can kill as many people as you want over there because they're participating murder. Should feel messed up, no matter what, even as a retaliation to harm being done to you, even as a

means of protecting your family. I was having a conversation with some recently, someone recently about how I know I would feel if someone broke into my house and tried to harm my children and I killed them in the moment. Yes, I am protecting my family, but as soon as my family is safe, I've killed someone, and that would be such an impossible thing to reconcile. That is not even

a just punishment for trying to harm me. Man, Listen, if there's a way to get you off of me and off of my family, restrain you, or whatever the case without your life's possible outcome, I'd love that.

has a great marketing department. Let me say it like that, so video games, movies, It makes the military look like a really cool thing. And I think it's a necessary thing.

And I think that those who enlist voluntarily to defend us are incredible people, right, But a lot of them come back from war different different because murder is murder, and most of the times our governments, I don't just mean ours in the US, I mean collectively as human beings, justify murder as a means to protect wealth and resources, not human life, and the defense of our rights to survive.

But yeah, over there, there's some stuff that they own that we want or that we own that they want, and as a measure of deciding who's going to own that piece of land, those resources that are in that land, we're going to murder each other until one of the group's decides, Okay, if we've lost too much, you got it. We've been seeing this for our whole lives, so we're

kind of the numb to that idea. But you know, part of you know, why Vietnam became so unpopular is because very very brave journalists and people went over there to get images of it so that we could see how bad it was. Because even though we determined that Vietnamese people were our enemy at that time, when we started to see how our soldiers and their soldiers were being affected and impacted and their people and our people being affected and impacted by that war, it became far

less popular. And I think it's very important that there are so many journalists, creators, activists sharing content from over there, because it's easy to say yeah, that group attacked them, so they just attacked them back. Well, that's not fair, right when the klu Klux Klan attacks, marches, you know, harms a black person, we do not get to collectively say that white people as a whole are terrorist or

bad people. When there is a bad faith actor that belongs to a group, the entire group should not become a part of the retaliation or the justice or the judgment of the bad faith actor.

So people have found out a masterful way to other people to make them less than so that they can easily justify and reconcile inhumane treatment of those people, something that black people in this country have unfortunately been dealing with for the entirety of this country's foundation.

know that much is true. They said that they were beheading babies, and they used that falsehood to justify the response from Israel.

their own country, creating the largest concentration camp in history, the largest open air prison in the world, the answer is a resounding no. You never considered it, nor did

your ancestors. But unfortunately for you, concept change. The world is increasingly aware of the crimes of Israel and increasingly aware of the framework of politicians who enable their continued apartheid by resolutions such as these, and in the city like Chicago, with majority black and brown people who have experienced the apartheid like conditions of oppression in the United States, a generation of young people have emerged to understand immediately

that we have everything in common with the television people and nothing in common with the brutal Zionist under.

the point of what's going on. The attacks were carried out by broad coalition of groups from every section of

Palestine society, not just a mob. That coalition represents a people determined to attain freedom at any cost, and they have arrived at this point in the face of a broad coalition of right wing Zionists and the supporters like those in the City Council, who would start a meeting with a prayer calling for their attempts at freedom, a second holocaust, where are so silent you could hear a rep song kindness when innocent, peaceful Palestinians are annihilated day

in and day out, like the Native Americans.

makes you anti Semitic. And what he pointed out was Zionism, and that's the idea that all of the land in that region belongs to the people of Jerusalem and Israel and that they should be able to forcefully take that land over, which is not the same thing as just being Jewish and practicing your faith and believing in love for all people. You were saying about your treatment by Jewish friends that you have. We have some mutual Jewish friends, some of the best people that we've ever come across.

I think love for all humanity is a much more accurate way to paint the way that Jewish people feel. But you have extremists on both sides of this.