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091623 What Have We Learned in 3 Years? (Part 2)

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In the second half of our show, we discuss the most important things we want people to know after being on air for 3 years. We discuss the myths of Black-on-Black crime, Black fatherlessness, and the calls to action from the movement of 2020.

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Speaker 1

If you're just tuning in Civic scipher, I'm your host, Rams's Jack, he is Ram's Jah, I am q Ward and you are tuned into Civic e sciphe, indeed you are. This our three year anniversary episode.

Speaker 2

Three year anniversary sounds crazy.

Speaker 1

Yeah, man, We've been doing it for a while and we still have a lot more in store for you, So be sure to stick around because we are going to be discussing the most important thing we want people to know after three years. Things things. Okay, we'll do things. We haven't had this conversation before and so we're going to have it organically for your benefit. This is kind of the spirit that the show was born and for us to have honest conversations, black conversations in front of

an audience of non black allies and potential supporters. So that's what we're going to do today, and we have a whole lot more in store as well. We're really excited about a brand new Baba and so we're going to be working this into the show moving forward. So let's get to that right now. Today's Baba is sponsored by Unknown Union. The fashion now situated at the intersection of meaning, innovation and culture. For more info, check Unknown Union dot com and we're going to shout out Friends

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the free voter wallet to invite friends and merchants. Remember, we must be the change you want to see in the world. Okay, so three years, three years, I know where I want to start. Please, it's kind of where we left off. We had a conversation during the last election, the last election cycle with Charlotmagne to God, and he pointed out this sort of disenfranchisement of voters tired of being left out, tired of being lied to, tired of

being let down. A lot of black people have just stopped caring.

Speaker 3

They've completely you know, unplugged, disconnected and thrown their hands up.

Speaker 2

My voice doesn't matter. My vote doesn't count.

Speaker 3

Even when the people I want elected get elected, they don't carry through on the promises that they made, and I don't see.

Speaker 2

The benefit of my vote.

Speaker 3

And because we are not, you know, as black people, a part of a monolith, we do have varied opinions and varied positions on things. And because of that, when it comes time to elect officials, both you know, state, local, and federal, we are at a disadvantage because the other side has a tempole that they all subscribe to. It's upholding white supremacy and all the stuff they disagree about, all the little stuff that's after that, they don't care.

Speaker 2

They will march together and run to the polls.

Speaker 3

The least educated of us, the most hateful of us, the least informed of us, scream the loudness and vote the most and us, as educated as we are, spend a lot of time debating each other, adopting contrarian platforms so that we can flex our intellectual muscle and show that we don't subscribe to group think, while the other side collectively goes out and votes against our best interests,

sometimes even against their own best interests. Just as long as they're also against ours and they get results to the tune of tens of millions of people showing up to the polls. So the number one thing that I like people to react to with regards to civic sipher, our listeners and our message is somehow finding something that we can unite on and finding someone who can carry that message for us, because another problem that we have is a lack of followable dates.

Speaker 1

Can I jump in here please? Okay. So in the first half of the show, we were talking about how having a new president makes it a little easier to be black and I work with We live in Arizona, so a lot of the people this used to be Mexico. Literally, so a lot of the people that live here are Mexican of Mexican descent, recimply moved to the US. It's not like they've lived in the US because their family was here when this became the US. They first generation.

That's the word I'm looking for, thank you. So all types of Hispanic people, and I know that for a lot of them it feels very different too. And that's the reality that in which I live, where human beings are affected negatively by the hate and the divisiveness of one man who has been elected, and that I feel that. I mean, if you listen to the show for any length of time, you know I'll be feeling some stuff. Man, I'm crying all the time.

Speaker 2

I can't.

Speaker 1

Man, I wish I was different, but this is who I was supposed to be, So this is what I can be. Right, So a different president changing how things feel and that mattering and that going a long way. That's definitely something that I'm proud that we all have accomplished, those of us who want to see a world that is more equitable, where people are treated a little bit more fairly. But as you talk about candidates, I again, I'm not one of those people that looks at the

current president Joe Biden is like, oh Biden, is this Biden? Hey, Look he's doing the job better than the last guy. That's all I really needed right now. Okay, But the fact of the matter bar the low bar. But the fact of the matter is that what I the person I wanted was Bernie Sanders. I'm that I'm a good friend of our sinbatt. He calls me a bleeding heart liberal, right,

and I didn't know it. I still really don't know what it means, but it sounds cool because it has the word heart, you know what I mean, And I know that that's that's who I was supposed to be. I tried to be tough guy or whatever it is, not man, come on, seriously, I mean, if I need to be those things, sure, But for the most part, I know that I was meant to feel what it is that I feel and to try to bring kindness, happiness, love, fellowship into this planet. So that's what I'm going to do.

I don't know how to be any different. Bernie Sanders was a little bit closer to what I would envision the best of us, what it would be. With that in mind, I understand that feeling that a lot of people have, which is, you know, what does my vote count for?

Speaker 2

What is it?

Speaker 1

You know? But where I came back to and where I had to kind of where I got disappointed when it was Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, and Bernie was looking like he was that dude, and then all of a sudden there was some behind the scenes stuff. I couldn't tell you about it right now, but I remember at the time I was like, wait a minute, what happened because Bernie had this whole swell and then all of a sudden, Hillary Clinton emerged as the nominee. This

was back when Donald Trump was first running. I felt like that was very unfair, and I was kind of disappointed in Democrats and obviously disappointed and everything that Donald Trump was talking about at the time. So I felt like, well, what what is this for? This long before Saivic Cipher, by the way, So yeah, in that moment, I felt

kind of deflated. But what I what reoriented me was that I don't think it's just the lesser of two evils argument that we use a lot, and and sometimes it's that, and that's not accurate, but that's how it's that's how it's funn yeah, and and and we have this conversation sometimes. But what I think it is is it's more like, which one of these two options more closely aligns with the type of world that I would

like to see for all of us? And one side and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna make any pronouncements here, because there's a side that effectively says eat or be eaten and another side that says live and let live. You know what I mean or I know those aren't exact, but you get what I'm trying to say. There's two philosophies, neither which is wrong or right, but one of them is a little bit more in line with This is what I'm saying right now. I'm trying to be fair.

I'm gonna let you have it, but one of them is more in line with what I believe the best of us is. I don't believe the best of us is eat or be eaten. I believe the best of us is live and let live. Of those two philosophies, right, And so, while not being necessarily a fan of any candidate, I know that in terms of a political party, in a political affiliation, there is one side that feels more in tune with what the best of us can be. Now, the other side might say, Okay, they're not realistic, this

is impossible. You're always gonna have these problems. Sure, sure, But in terms of where are we going, what are we trying to pursue, what are we trying to engineer into our society, these people seem like they got the vision, and these people are trying to batten down the hatches and whether whatever storm we're dealing with right now. And I'm a little bit more of an optimist, and so that's where my political allegiances lie. So it compels me

to continue to engage in the democratic process. And I hope that you've learned something from that because cues about the Hypney part.

Speaker 3

No, I'm not going to rip you apart. I'm just gonna say something that I feel to be true. Okay, But neither party has an ideal position. Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2

Neither party is really looking to deliver much for us at all.

Speaker 1

Sure, that's fair.

Speaker 3

That's the problem. One of them is quite flagrantly and demonstrably worse than the other. But what has gotten so many people to unplug and disconnect and just check out altogether is that neither of them is really doing anything for us. There's a lot of you use the word. I use the word socialism not as a pejorative, right.

One of our parties does because the idea of the government helping everybody has to be an awful concept, and they sell it that way, except they do a lot to help themselves, and they do a lot to use our systems and our tax dollars to help themselves. So they get people to take to the streets marching and raising their fist against socialism. But if your house catches on fire, you call nine to one one and your neighbour's tax dollars pay for those people who come to

put the fire out. So they don't even believe in the things they claim to right, that's socialism when they feel like it, And especially for those who already have they're rich and wealthy, practice socialism with and for each other constantly. So when you have two parties neither of which seem to be serving its people, a lot of the people just throw their hands up and say, forget this. The problem is that one of those parties is actively trying to destroy us. So having that lesser of two

evils concept, that's really where that discussion comes from. It is not really a lesser of two evils. One of them is very much status quo, the other one is actually evil. And I think in order to continue to stir up their supporters in the way that our former president did, a lot of these things that are happening now, I think started as pr campaigns. I don't think they ever really intended to get rid of Roe v Wade.

I think they just knew if they talked about it that the Evangelical and Roman Catholic supporters would support someone who was trying to do away with abortion. It just got so much of a swell and so much support that they saw it through. But I think initially it was just a talking point. Right, we don't we are not christian like at all, but we have a hot button topic that if we say we're against it, the Evangelicals and the Christians and the Catholics will support us.

And that's if we come out here and say we're against abortion. And they're right. Some of the worst people to ever exist campaign on the Bible belt on that single topic, and as long as they're on the right side of that topic to get that base, they get it, no matter what their actual politics are like, no matter how they actually feel about that topic. So it's just become such a game that our politicians play with the less informed of us, and unfortunately the more informed of us.

Speaker 1

It rather it begins to us and check out. They see this rigged against.

Speaker 3

Us, and in order to flex again that intellectual muscle, they turn contrarian and try to talk everyone else out of engaging too.

Speaker 2

So while we're being divided and arguing amongst ourselves.

Speaker 3

They are united and they're pushed to keep us under their boot, and they take to the polls and they vote every time.

Speaker 1

I want to end mass. I want to say this. I think that this is something that is worth saying. Everything that you said I agree with. But follow me for a second. We mentioned a dear friend of ours, Steve Earnhardt. Steve Earnhardt is a white man. He's older than we are.

Speaker 2

Whole lot.

Speaker 1

I wouldn't guess his age, you know, but I know that he's older than we are. He's in a position of power, and he based on his values or his tax bracket, if it's your values, I'm a little bit more okay with that. But based on his values, feels more aligned with the Republican Party, the Republican Party of our childhood, not today. But this is what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to separate the party from the people. Okay. So, because there's a lot of people we have, believe it

or not. I learn this, and we haven't had this conversation before, but I learned this. We have a lot of people who are conservative in their views that listen to our show and every so often they'll engage, and you know, a letter will make its way to me, and you know, I just we just haven't had these conversations. But I've I've thought, once upon a time we should have like a conversation about this on the air. But anyway, Steve is a person that doesn't feel politically the way

that we feel about a lot of things. I'm me being a bleeding heart liberal. I couldn't even hide it if I wanted to, you know what I mean. I don't think that I'm capable of that. He had to know that the moment he talked to me, and then obviously over all the meetings. He knows exactly who I am,

where I stand for. But I believe that the reason he gave us the keys to the kingdom in a manner of speaking, and gave us the framework to grow this show is because he believed than the human element, he believed that it was the right thing to do. And despite us having conversations that we believe are based in truth, we know we're based in truth, we have video, and the fact of the matter is that the truth

has a very very strong liberal bias to it. He's been one of our biggest cheerleaders and supporters, and so I wanted to add that to what you were saying, so that we don't conflate Republicans with the Republican Party too much, because there are a a significant conservatives with the republic That's okay, That's what I'm trying to say, is it's more conservative the very party.

Speaker 2

The party is kind of not kind of the party is out of control.

Speaker 1

Now, yeah, yeah, So that's that's that's and that's the reason this show was born. That's the that you know, and we've and and it's it's it's sad that we have to refer to it by name as the Republican Party because it's just that thing where I've lived in this country and have had to deal with conservativism my whole entire adult life, even before I became an adult, because I'm black and you have to grow up a

lot faster if you're black. And this is true. If you don't know that for yourself, take our word for it. We would not lie to you about something like that. But it wasn't until this show, around the time when the show was born, when we just kind of reached its boiling point, like what is this. Why are these people so hateful? Why are they so supportive of this man who is so clearly hateful. His whole platform is based on hate and device literally divisiveness. Build that wall, like, yo,

what is going on? Why does everybody love this? And why are so many of us standing up for him? That was the moment, And that's another part that I no one.

Speaker 3

Care about standing up on this idea that I'm pretending I don't know I do. He was not a regular politician, and for a lot of people that was enough. He was not the status quo. So again on that contrarian mindset where there's no real backbone to it, right, contrary and for the sake of being so, I'm just thinking outside the box. And like I said, I don't subscribe to group thinking. Yeah, you say the sky is blue, but how do we know that?

Speaker 1

Man?

Speaker 3

It was just crazy talk. Yeah, but he did not fit the cookie cutter politician and a lot of people were here for it, even though it was grossly hateful.

Speaker 1

Device Yeah, and it really harmed a lot of people, and it really was hurtful, and he showed the worst of us, true of ours, true colors.

Speaker 2

I had some relationships that didn't survive his presidence.

Speaker 1

Oh me too. For like former friends of mine, if that name would have never came up, we'll still be fine today. As soon as it came up. I'm like, man, Listen, we had a whole episode, remember early on, where we had to discuss whether or not we should use the black button. I'm personally a big fan of the black button. It works, keeps you peace of mind, keeps your brain from being cluttered. Black button is an amazing tool. Listen, man,

But not to harp on that. There's another couple of things that I do want to shout out because these have been topics that have been very important that we've been able to cover over the past few years. The first, we've discussed that black on black crime is a myth right and and and not a myth. Obviously, there's a black person that can commit a crime against another black person, but it's it's a marketing ploy is a myth right, That's what I'm trying to say. So we've talked about

that at length. We have actually some content up on our social media again. Follow us at Civic Cipher you'll be able to see some stuff there. A lot of people are talking about that. We were able to have conversations dispelling the myth that black fathers are absentee and not involved in their children's lives. So when the fact is is that the data shows from the CDC, there's articles written even this year. The study came out about ten years ago, but there's still articles being written that

are documenting this. The black fathers actually are the best fathers of all, most involved and so forth. And what gaps you see has to do with incarceration rates and things like this, But in terms of like unmarried black all that stuff is just a fabrication. And I want to read this before we go. What do we want. We want to in qualified immunity. We want to end for profit prisons. We want to overhaul police unions, demilitarize the police. We want to end cash bail. We want

citizens oversight of police. We want cameras on all the time and to be monitored by the community. We want to remove racist police officers, retrain and de escalation, no needs to chest, no chokeholds, and we need to affirm the black lives matter and.

Speaker 2

Over and over again.

Speaker 1

And that's it for us.

Speaker 2

So three years, three years, man proud.

Speaker 1

To have done it with you, I wouldn't have chosen to do it with anyone else. I'm grateful that well. Q and I we've known each other long for this show, and we're going to know each other long after this show is passed on to whatever next generation comes.

Speaker 3

And I know there's been some moments along the way where we may not have been certain that we would have made it this far, last years long, but here we are. Here we are, man, hopefully we got three, six, nine, twelve, fifteen.

Speaker 1

Whatever it takes twenty more years of this to go. We appreciate y'all checking us out for the past three years. Do us a favor. Hit the website Civiccipher dot com, h subscribe. All our social media is at Civic Cipher. I am ramses Jah, I am q Ward. Yeah. Lock in with us, man. Let's keep it going until next week, y'all.

Speaker 2

Peace.

Speaker 1

Peace,

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