072923 Trump Voters think Racism against Whites is a Bigger Problem than Racism against Blacks (Part 2)

very special woman, Freddie Washington. She's an actress, was long passed away, but she's one of the early black actresses and we're going to kind of detail her path in the film industry. But first and foremost, we are going to discuss b A b A becoming a better ally Abye. And we do have a little bit of audio video for you because this one is kind of cool. But I'll read and by the way, Today's Bye Bye sponsored by Unknown Union the fashion house situated at the intersection

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need you to be kind and respectful. You yourself mentioned that humble is a stretch, so I guess that use your voice responsibly to promote conversations and that maintains a narrative thread. There really has been enough Biden bashing, and the laptop is old collapsed. You could suggest that your people take less interest, for example, in other people's bodies and talk about that.

a bigger problem than racism against Black Americans. The polling follows the dismissal of a lawsuit put forth by the survivors of the Tulsa race massacre, which many saw as a potential blueprint for reparation efforts. As public support for reparation for African Americans remain stubbornly low, a New York News Slash YUGA poll reveals one major roadblock. Donald Trump voters believe that racism against white Americans has become a

bigger problem than racism against black Americans. I'm want to read a little bit of these numbers just so we can get started. The survey of six hundred and thirty eight US adults, which was conducted from July thirteen through seventeen, shows that among twenty twenty Trump voters, sixty two percent say that racism against Black Americans is a problem today, while seventy three percent say that racism against white Americans is a problem. All right, there's more, but we got

to take a pregnant pause right here. Let's break this down now. I need to be fair and I need to unfortunately approach this as though it may have I can't even say it. It's hard to say it.

do about it. Okay, so let's start there. Now. If I have access to a decent amount of knowledge political, interpersonal, social, et cetera. Knowledge as a citizen in this country, what I would deduce is that white people, in particular white men, feel like they are under attack because a lot of the things that white men would typically do and no

one would be deny, are now under attack. We learned this during the Me Too movement, when a lot of executives and heroes and this white and otherwise had to come to terms with the fact that our sisters were redefining what they would accept in a professional environment. And we all had to listen to that, and we all had to learn from that, and not even just men, women had to learn that too. We all had to learn.

But in my estimation, the biggest pushback came from people who were thoroughly accustomed to moving and maneuvering in a space like that, unencumbered by external influence, regulations, public scrutiny,

et cetera. So there's one way the fact that there are have been, at least historically offsets introduced into society to bring about some sort of balance to outcomes in hiring practices, in educational opportunities, et cetera, to make sure that we have enough women because women were the largest beneficiaries of affirmative action, and we have enough people from all races.

unencumbered by those type of setbacks and roadblocks. Now, if you felt that way in the past and you're reconciling all of these movements black lives matter, you know, the police never bother me. If you just do what the police say, then they won't bother you. You know. Not all men are like that, you know. And then they

don't seek to change the culture themselves. They're just like, well, listen, that's not my problem, you know the whole it's not my problem sort of the thing, right, And then when they look at when the solutions are coming about, hey hey, hey, those solutions might affect me, then they start to develop an alternative narrative which people like Tucker Carlson can feed into for profit, that suggests that they are now being discriminated against, when the truth is we've probably pushed a

modicum of distance further toward a fairer society. But the backlash has manifested in poll numbers like these, which suggests that again, these Trump voters feel like discrimination and racism against white people is a bigger problem than it ever has been, an indeed, a bigger problem than the discrimination against black people. So if I'm looking at this as objectively as I possibly can, there is the shred of

I gotta be careful how I say this. That is as much it's hard to dignify a statement like this, It's very hard to do it, but I have to because we are professionals, and you know, the version of me that goes home at night and lives at home and I realizes that this is nonsense. I don't mind saying that on the air, but the version of me that is here has to be willing to have a conversation and articulate his viewpoints.

he was from Detroit. I'm from Compton, California, and we both lived many years in Phoenix, Arizona, which is a very red state that happened to get their act together in the past election, but it's still very red. All the powers concentrated in the deeply read, deeply conservative facets of society out here, and so this is something that we deal with. So we have a pretty fair to

form experience of what black life in America is. We do not profess to be white men or know what life is like for them, but we do talk with white men. We just don't have back and forth. We don't tongue wrestle with anybody in this space. We do our best to broadcast the balance. If you need all that nonsense, there's plenty of channels that will give it

to you. We learned that in twenty twenty. But where we are now is again right here, I'm going to read a little bit more, just because we still have a little bit more to flesh out. Okay, ask how much of a problem racism currently is Just nineteen percent of Trump voters describe racism against Black Americans as a big problem twice as many say racism against white Americans is a big problem. So what you're having here is is like a paradigm shift, a mental paradigm shift for

these Trump voters. And again, this isn't everybody, this is just Trump voters. But for them to say, or nineteen percent of them to say racism against Black Americans is a big problem, to me, that suggests that there's eighty one percent that don't feel that way. Okay, that's it's a huge number. Eighty one percent don't feel like racism against black Americans is a big problem, But thirty seven percent saying racism against white Americans is a big problem.

That to me suggests that something we've talked about on the show. The media has managed to do the bidding of our political and corporate overlords, which, whilst lining their pockets using the fabric of the American dream, promised to what is very often these straight Christian, white, healthy males and stealing the opportunities to gain wealth and hoarding it for themselves, and on and on again, using the media to shift the narrative away from corporate greed to hey,

you know, it's the black people. You know, it's them Mexican pekers, others, excuse me, others. It could be Jewish, it could be whoever. Anybody that's not us is taking your opportunities from you. Right, and mind that as you struggle to pay your mortgage. Last month, I got record profits.

There's there's you know, there's a lot of influence there. Rupert Murdock owns Fox News, you know, and these people are invested in more than just one thing. You can't be invested in just one thing and be a billionaire. Well, I guess you can, but most folks are not. They're very much diversified and they have a lot of interests. And in order to have that sort of runaway well,

they also need political influence. You not only need an excellent business strategy, but you need political influence to pave the way for unfettered capitalism in your in your specific instance, and effectively, what you end up doing is robbing the middle class of America for that money and stomping on four people. Right. And trust me when I say there's a lot of poor white people in this country, and a lot of them are women. And it ain't that many black people in them trailers.

all the opportunities are going to China. You're going and the Mexicans are coming across the border stealing our cherry picking jobs. And you know, you get it. And I don't mean to make a caricature out of this imaginary individual. You heard my voice just now. I realize that there are some people behind this, and there are some smart people who might be able to dress this up and make it sound a little bit more intellectual.

system has failed them, so they remain engaged. So many more people, I think acknowledge that the propaganda exist and that things are not the way that they are framed when delivered to us, but they are so disenfranchised and repeatedly let down by the political system that they've kind

of just checked out. They don't participate. So these people who are not just intelligent, but more that care more about everyone than just themselves, are also so turned off by what has become of our political infrastructure that they just throw up their hands and don't participate anymore. They're tired of being lied to, they're tired of being taken advantage of, they're tired of not getting the results that are promised during these campaign trails, and they just check out.

And that's what scares me the most, because the other side, they don't check out, not at all.

from memory here. So effectually, what it communicated was that these Trump voters, certainly like the deeply conservative far right, the Trump Zealot movie, those individuals they have to believe in conspiracy theories because there's no other way to justify how they keep voting the same way and the reality doesn't change, so they have they need conspiracy theories to help them feel better. There's got to be something else going on. QAnon. John F. Kennedy Junior is coming back

to life or whatever it is. That they believe, you know, just like really bizarre stuff. You know, Democrats are drinking baby blood and pizza parlors. You remember that thing was on there's lizard people.

say the same about racism against Black Americans. Majority fifty one percent of white Americans, for instance, think racism against people who look like them is a problem, but overall, far more white Americans seventy two say racism against black Americans is a problem.

couple of times. It is tough, all right. The new Yahoo News UGU pull follows the dismissal earlier this month the lawsuit put forth by the three remaining survivors of the nineteen twenty one Tulsa race massacre seeking reparations for ongoing harm caused by the racist rampage that destroyed their once thriving, majority black community a century ago. The trio of survivors had sued under Oklahoma's public nuisance law, claiming that the ripple effects of the massacre continue to affect

the Greenwood community today. I got to leave it right there. But that article goes on to say a little bit more. And obviously, if you don't know about the Tulsa race massacre, please check it out and then you'll see why. It just sucks for something like this to happen and it just go unanswered, you know, And you can see where the benefit of that went, and you can see where the negative consequences of it went. You know, you can

bridge the gap. But then there's political opposition because you know, whatever statue of limited whatever it is that people try to throw in there, but wrong is wrong. All right, it's time for the Way Black History Fact. Today's Way Black History Fact is sponsored by Underground Beach Club From the Streets to the Beach, the finest in Beachware. Visit

Underground Beach Club dot com. All right. She was one of the first light skinned African American actresses to break into Hollywood at a time when the movie industry's rules and sensitivities about race were at their most stringent. She found herself stuck in the groove between perceptions of white and black, which eventually cut short a promising career, but not before she made her mark in the nineteen thirty

four classic imitation of life. Freddie Washington all Right. Actress Frederica Carolyn Washington was born on December twenty third, nineteen oh three, in Savannah, Georgia. Her father, Robert T. Washington, was a postal worker, and her mother, Harriet Walker Reward Washington, was a dancer. Both parents were of African American and European ethnicity. Freddie, born with fair skin, finely textured, wavy hair,

and green eyes, was the eldest of five siblings. All five of us were fair skin with what would be considered Caucasian features, recalls her younger sister Isabelle in her biography Adam's Bell. The children were raised by the grandmother, Ella Brown aka Big Mama. Shout out to big Mama. There's a lot of big mamas out there.

In nineteen twenty two, she got a part in the all Black Broadway musical Shuffle Along as a chorus dancer. She toured with the trope for years, working with Josephine Baker and Paul Robson. Along the way. She made thirty five dollars per week, a big wage back then and enough for Freddy to take care of her whole family single handedly. In nineteen twenty six, Frederika made her debut as an actress in a leading theater role opposite Robeson

in Black Boy. But with a limited number of acting opportunities for black actresses, she decided to move to Europe, where she worked as part of a ballroom dance trope, touring France, Germany, and England. The young actress returned to the United States in nineteen twenty eight, securing small parts in various stage and screen productions. Nineteen thirty four, she appeared in her best known movie role in the Academy Award nominated adaptation of the Fanny Hurst novel Imitation of Life.

She played the role of Piolo, a young African American woman whose fair complexion and naturally gre hair conceals her biracial ancestry. She attempts to escape society's discrimination by passing for white. Initially, the production ran into trouble with the

American film sensors, who objected to its interracial theme. When the film finally opened on November twenty sixth, Washington was so convincing in the role that some accused her of denying her heritage in real life, a charge she was quick to refute in Imitation of Life, I was showing how a girl might feel under the circumstances, but I am not showing how I felt, she told The Chicago

Defender in nineteen thirty five. Shout out to the Chicago Defender as well, that's a black publication that is very old and very important for folks that aren't familiar. As has been the case with many light skinned African American actresses throughout history, Washington was often considered too light for Hollywood's few black roles. Quote she couldn't play a colored woman because she was too light. Quote, said her sister Isabelle.

She goes on to say people might mistake her for white as a result, like Lena Horn, after her Washington had to be dipped to her dark tone makeup for the few black roles that she did get, such as when she played the part of Undan in the nineteen thirty three film Emperor Jones. In fact, throughout her career, Washington turned down a number of chances to pass for a white actress in movie roles and was always vocal

about being a proud African American. Quote no matter how white I look on the inside, I feel black, unquote,

she proclaimed nineteen forty five. The movie Celebrities. African Ancestry also classified her unequivocally as black within the traditions of Africa, sorry of America's notorious one Drop Rule, the series of laws passed by white racist in the early twentieth century which dictated that any person born with as little as one drop of black blood were legally to be classic as black, thereby restricting their rights as citizens.

Colored People. Washington later contracted Alzheimer's and eventually died of a stroke on June twenty eighth, nineteen ninety four, in Stamford, Connecticut. She was ninety years old. So I wanted to talk about her because we haven't, for the benefit of our listeners, often been able to articulate the different experiences that a black person might have in this country. And there is

a type of black person. More often they are biracial, but in nearly every instance they are very very fair skinned, but black culturally and you know, otherwise black, and they find themselves trapped between two worlds. And it's those people that affirm who they are. You know, it might be possible for a person, you know, to use a metaphor play the game on easymode.

And the rest of his time in the limelight, he consistently affirmed that he was a proud black man. Prince is another one, very fair skinned black man who never walked the line, not one bit.

leave that one right there. I'd like to thank everybody for once again tuning into Civic Cipher. I'm your host, Rams' job.