306 | Pete Chambers

[SPEAKER_00]: you're running for governor of taxes, right? [SPEAKER_00]: How's that going? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like pushing a large ball up a hill and I've got six clicks to go just to get into the stage where people know who I am, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And I expected that. [SPEAKER_03]: We expected that. [SPEAKER_03]: I was approached months ago by a group of Texans and people from around the country, hey, would you consider it?

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, not know, but I have no, no, I'm not doing this. [SPEAKER_03]: No, now I can't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a hundred million dollar war chest, this is crazy thing ever. [SPEAKER_03]: Over time did a feasibility study. [SPEAKER_03]: Over time I said, well, how many things have been told that I can't do in the past? [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe I'm just crazy to try this. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go!

[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Citizen, we got a special guest today, Pete Chambers, Doctor or Colonel either way, Doc, Doc, Pete Chambers. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's get into it before we get into your career and whatnot what you're doing now. [SPEAKER_00]: Where did you grow up? [SPEAKER_03]: I grew up on a small farm in North Georgia for part of it. [SPEAKER_03]: My dad was a traveling physician and ended up in Oklahoma on the Red River on the other side.

[SPEAKER_03]: If you're down here, it's the wrong side of the Red River. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, I left home in Ayes III, went to the infantry. [SPEAKER_03]: They were jumping into Grenada when I got there. [SPEAKER_03]: So I was hoping that we would get into it. [SPEAKER_03]: We didn't finish my time, broke my leg, couldn't go jump anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: So I thought I'd get out. [SPEAKER_03]: So I did, and went to college.

[SPEAKER_03]: medical school that I was going to be a cop in my dad being a doctor. [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, well, just consider it. [SPEAKER_03]: So I was a criminal justice major who applied to a medical school and they laughed at me, but I had the pre-rex. [SPEAKER_03]: And then the guy that was senior guy on the staff said, I was at the chosen reservoir. [SPEAKER_03]: They don't want you. [SPEAKER_03]: I want you. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a Marine.

[SPEAKER_03]: He's past sins, but that's how I got into medical school. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's always some kind of a criminal way to [SPEAKER_03]: get into these things that are seemingly impossible. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I was wasn't bravo, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: When guys would say that to me, oh, I can't go to college. [SPEAKER_03]: I might do. [SPEAKER_03]: Shut up.

[SPEAKER_00]: I went to college twice before I would go. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm joining the imagery. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And I enlisted too. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I must thank. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What part of North Georgia? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, place called Buford, B-U-F-O-R-D, not Buford-D. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I grew up in Greenville, South Carolina. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, I'm not too far.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm too far away from you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's not really home. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't remember it much, but you know, Oklahoma has been the place I've lived the longest. [SPEAKER_03]: Just about six miles north of Gainesville, if you know what that's up in Red River area. [SPEAKER_03]: Tech's home is what they call it. [SPEAKER_03]: And it's a hay country and horse country. [SPEAKER_00]: What made you decide to join the military?

[SPEAKER_03]: My dad, my dad was a partisan in World War II. [SPEAKER_03]: He fought for the US. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a partisan. [SPEAKER_03]: He was a gorilla. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, essentially, OSS came into Balkan states. [SPEAKER_03]: He was from that region. [SPEAKER_03]: They hired a bunch of kids to work for him. [SPEAKER_03]: And he fought for this country and other martial plan. [SPEAKER_03]: He was able to come to the US and become a US citizen and go to college.

[SPEAKER_03]: He did all that, became a doc. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what he did. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of those guys, the first generation of what we now call Green Berets were Eastern European decisions. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of folks don't know about the history. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that was, you know, you can say that's kind of a legacy for me, even though he wasn't officially an OSS guy, but he bought as a twelve-year-old when he started fighting. [SPEAKER_03]: And so I got no breaks as a kid.

[SPEAKER_03]: So when I was seventeen, he actually went with me and signed me up. [SPEAKER_03]: And I knew it. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, love this country. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's get back to this country. [SPEAKER_03]: The senior, well, I say senior ranking son. [SPEAKER_03]: You're the oldest son. [SPEAKER_03]: And you're going to get back. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what I did. [SPEAKER_03]: And I don't regret it.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I thought I was going to finish my time in nineteen ninety honorable discharge. [SPEAKER_03]: And I stayed in the reserves. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I came back in after nine, eleven. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I went to medical school to be a emergency guy. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I wanted to do. [SPEAKER_03]: And I ended up in SF as a special forces as a battalion surgeon, and I went up to flight surgeon.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then in in two thousand and ten, I went in and resigned my commission to go go back to the Q course because I never, I always wanted to go. [SPEAKER_03]: And they said, you can't, we're not letting doctors go. [SPEAKER_03]: I said, now I'm going to resign my commission to become a, and they sent me down to the shrink. [SPEAKER_03]: This is a great story. [SPEAKER_03]: And I go down the hallway to the shrink. [SPEAKER_03]: It used to suck headquarters at Prague.

[SPEAKER_03]: And there's a guy sitting there. [SPEAKER_03]: His name is Bob. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll save his last name. [SPEAKER_03]: He's retired Colonel. [SPEAKER_03]: And I went to Med School with Bob. [SPEAKER_03]: And I know he was there working there. [SPEAKER_03]: He's the strength. [SPEAKER_03]: And so he says, hey, I'm supposed to assess you while you want to resign your commission.

[SPEAKER_03]: I said, because since in two thousand and three, I've been with NSF, it's two thousand and ten now. [SPEAKER_03]: And I've been out in the field every time or minus an eighteen delta, a medic, a green, very medic. [SPEAKER_03]: I go on the mission. [SPEAKER_03]: I want to get to the same training that everybody else got. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we don't do that. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's my resignation. [SPEAKER_03]: He takes down the hallway.

[SPEAKER_03]: He talks to the C.G. [SPEAKER_03]: General Socolic at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: CG goes bring that guy in here. [SPEAKER_03]: He goes, why do you want to go? [SPEAKER_03]: I tell him. [SPEAKER_03]: He's like, well, shit. [SPEAKER_03]: You just want to get the long tab. [SPEAKER_03]: I said, well, that would be nice if I complete the course, sir. [SPEAKER_03]: But he's all right. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you what I want to do.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to sign a waiver and you can be the first doctor. [SPEAKER_03]: We're going to send through the cue courses. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was forty. [SPEAKER_03]: for at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: You were a house election. [SPEAKER_03]: Forty-four. [SPEAKER_00]: Forty-four, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: So Colonel Kurtz. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Come from apocalypse now went to airborne school at thirty-eight and that was considered to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now airborne school back in the day was quite a bit harder than it was. [SPEAKER_00]: Everything was done in jump boots. [SPEAKER_00]: We're running around and sneakers and shit now. [SPEAKER_00]: Like when my dad went back in the seventies, I think it was probably quite a bit difficult. [SPEAKER_03]: More difficult. [SPEAKER_00]: Now it doesn't need to be under no circumstances should it be a three week class.

[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of feel like it should be a one week class and if you can't figure it out, you just gotta go somewhere else. [SPEAKER_03]: Because if you hear how the Irishman do it, Kevin Noons was a team sergeant. [SPEAKER_03]: He was an Irish paratrooper before that. [SPEAKER_03]: He said, day one, you were jumping. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not complicated to be honest, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Keep your fucking feet knees together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Keep getting a license and learning how to point land and stuff like that and control a parachute is there's some work to be done there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What is it? [SPEAKER_00]: Twenty five jumps I think. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's twenty five to go on grow. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but like [SPEAKER_00]: Jumping out of a static line. [SPEAKER_00]: There's three things. [SPEAKER_00]: Keep your feet in these together.

[SPEAKER_00]: Check if you're fucking canopy and know how to operate your reserve or stuff like that. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's literally it. [SPEAKER_00]: But you know what they do. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the three weeks it's just going to break you down. [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to say, well back with the day that made sense though, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, we had a gig pit when I went through it. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, and it's changed.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it has changed. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the heck's out this signing of memos to bring back the shark attacks or whatever they call it, which is nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: Because it's not about [SPEAKER_00]: abusing people, it's about creating chaos. [SPEAKER_00]: And not creating chaos for the sake of it, but to show people that you can still perform in chaos.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, from the medical side of telling you that a lot of what I did after I became a long tab guy was creating different stress and population training techniques because I had been through combat at that time and to bring back that realism to it. [SPEAKER_03]: So I was able to do that until I left, like, twenty-fifteen, I left third group. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's go back a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to I've got I've got a lot of questions.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you enlisted originally in eighty three you said eighty three in the infantry showed up September eighty three of harming not harming church. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: Uh, yeah, what's harming church? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to think of San Hilton was being built. [SPEAKER_03]: San Hilton was being built. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, so dear broids [SPEAKER_00]: You what month what time of year was it back September?

[SPEAKER_03]: That's when I think it was yeah, I think was September is raining. [SPEAKER_03]: It was called got there off the bus. [SPEAKER_03]: Screen on holler and all that good stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't know if I because I grew up in that area and it's humid as shit in summertime. [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know if I would rather have gone through in the summer or not, probably not.

[SPEAKER_00]: But once we did like the field problem towards the end of a school and stuff like that, you're out there for a couple of weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: It was [SPEAKER_00]: late December early January is like it kind of sucked, not a lie. [SPEAKER_00]: It rains a lot down there in the winter time, which I would, I think I might rather be hot than wet, you know. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, wet is because once you stop if you're cold, you're frozen.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But it was, it did make the, so when we ran our, when we forced March back to honor Hill, [SPEAKER_00]: It was kind of nice that it was raining to be honest at that point because we're a sweat and our asses off and then there's like a cool breeze in the rain and look, all right, this worked out. [SPEAKER_00]: What units you go to? [SPEAKER_03]: Echo Nine, too. [SPEAKER_03]: Echo Company, ninth if a tree. [SPEAKER_03]: Second training brigade.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's it, Benning. [SPEAKER_03]: I bet. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was in D-one five zero. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: What was your first duty assignment? [SPEAKER_03]: So my first duty assignment, second first battalion fifth infantry mobcats, Skolfio Berksway. [SPEAKER_03]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, second idea Indian head. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: No, at the time it was all there for us that were kind of the recon guys.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was the beginning of starting the aerosolte school and all those kind of things That's really where that started and then it went on because it was a Light Mech unit at the time when I first got there. [SPEAKER_03]: So we were still driving M. One five one A dooses, you know the jeeps Of course the M. I like real things. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh [SPEAKER_03]: Way better than a Humvee. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Humvee. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't do anything with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can drive through us an urban area. [SPEAKER_00]: And as long as it's linear, it's a, yeah, as long as it's linear, it's a little bit better. [SPEAKER_00]: It only goes thirty five miles per hour, because it'll the fucking arm on. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can't get away from anything. [SPEAKER_00]: I hate that thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would rather be fast. [SPEAKER_00]: I'd rather walk than being that thing to be honest.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, maybe I'll get it out the, you know, the armored vehicles don't put me in one of those. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they said that's just a magnet. [SPEAKER_00]: Fuck that. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, so you go into, um, [SPEAKER_00]: you're in twenty-fifth ID. [SPEAKER_00]: Get out. [SPEAKER_03]: Rowley said nineteen ninety is I went from my active duty to reserve unit infantry was but I was considered in a slot of a forgum server.

[SPEAKER_03]: I had no idea what I was doing so they made me an RTO. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What's what carry the radio for the servers actually did their job back then because we did all training for like a [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, uh, an attrition style war. [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't know it's like, yeah, a fact. [SPEAKER_03]: And I didn't get the MLS because I stayed in RTO. [SPEAKER_03]: It was just where I was at. [SPEAKER_03]: I was in college.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I did that until ninety. [SPEAKER_00]: And then you didn't go to the A school. [SPEAKER_00]: You just see your malice sign for a little while. [SPEAKER_00]: That's probably better. [SPEAKER_03]: It was, you know, it was, it was, it was, it was, it was a well-rounded me. [SPEAKER_03]: And I, you know, I couldn't jump anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: I had hardware plates and screws and all these things from the, from a break.

[SPEAKER_03]: But, uh, [SPEAKER_03]: And they told me, why don't you get out and just go to college? [SPEAKER_03]: You got back then what was called the beep program, the EPA Veterans Education Assistance Plan, before the new GI Bill. [SPEAKER_03]: So anyway, I go to college and it was going to be a criminal justice guy, but all that changed. [SPEAKER_03]: What point did you go to medical school? [SPEAKER_03]: I went to school, here's the part.

[SPEAKER_03]: I didn't know that I had the ability to retain information out of a book until I went to college. [SPEAKER_03]: In high school, I didn't care. [SPEAKER_03]: I knew it was going to be a soldier. [SPEAKER_03]: I used to see student, you know, played sports, same. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I didn't care. [SPEAKER_00]: I graduated high school with like a two point two or two point three and I had a four through all the time all four times I went to college.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, same here at college, you know, high three, nine, you know, throughout college. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, because I had a different mindset. [SPEAKER_03]: I, you know, I wasn't there to go to party. [SPEAKER_03]: I wasn't in fraternities. [SPEAKER_03]: I didn't do any of that. [SPEAKER_03]: Um, I just studied and worked two jobs and enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, uh, someone along the way in my dad, I went back to see him.

[SPEAKER_03]: I talked to him and he said, it was my third year of school. [SPEAKER_03]: He said, uh, you ever think about being just a small town doctor or something like that like me? [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, no, I really don't. [SPEAKER_03]: And then it just kind of was in my heart a little bit. [SPEAKER_03]: I always enjoyed it. [SPEAKER_03]: I used to write around with him doing house calls. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it was great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was holding my finger on a kid that had had a pump or a bleeder. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, there I was, you know, as a twelve, well, you know, twelve year old, helped my dad. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I just said, you know what? [SPEAKER_03]: I'm going to take the pre-wrecks. [SPEAKER_03]: I did it over the summer. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I took the MCAT and did great. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I can study. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I didn't know it at the time.

[SPEAKER_03]: until I actually applied myself, but it because I had the ability to discipline that I had for the military to sit in a chair. [SPEAKER_03]: for a long period of time in that study. [SPEAKER_03]: And I would sit there and have a Copenhagen and, you know, coffee all night and study. [SPEAKER_03]: And I worked a night job where I was a security guard at a newspaper and sat at the front and looked at people passing me their IDs.

[SPEAKER_03]: So I could study all night long and slept when I needed to. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I did. [SPEAKER_03]: But it set me up for, set the conditions for if you were a military speaking for success later when it came to die tactics. [SPEAKER_03]: Because medical school ain't no job, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But I went to the interview, I told you about that. [SPEAKER_03]: The guy says, come on in, but don't have fup dock or Pete. [SPEAKER_03]: Don't mess up. [SPEAKER_03]: Roger that.

[SPEAKER_03]: Coach, chosen reservoir Marine. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, that was on the staff and he was back there. [SPEAKER_03]: He told him he said, I went back in that room and they weren't going to take it. [SPEAKER_03]: We had three seats left in that class and they were forty out because this is for medical school. [SPEAKER_03]: Medical school. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was a universe in New England. [SPEAKER_03]: So, you know, there's kind of they considered themselves Ivy League kind of thing.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I had never been there. [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm gonna try out for a school out on the East Coast and then check out the ocean, you know, just I was just a kid. [SPEAKER_03]: And so, it goes, I went back in there and told those sons of bitches, you know, I was a true Marine, a chosen fucking reservoir. [SPEAKER_03]: You better not fuck up chambers, I was like, Roger that, you know, so I got in. [SPEAKER_03]: And I passed, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: On the bell curve, I was on the upslub, but you know what they call the last guy in medical school. [SPEAKER_03]: So I was committed to not be a rocket scientist type pathophysiology or anything like that. [SPEAKER_03]: Neurosurgeon, no, I'm going to be the guy that stops bleeding because I knew I was going back in the military and I knew I was going to go back to SF. [SPEAKER_03]: because that's where I ended up, but I just knew it. [SPEAKER_03]: It was in my heart.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I knew that somewhere another I was going to get to go to the Q course because I wanted to finish that task that I had way back in a day before the bad break. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's just one of those goals. [SPEAKER_03]: And then when you get there, that's funny thing is you get there and it's like, yeah, I'm still doing infantry. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I just have cooler toys and I am better radios. [SPEAKER_00]: So how long was it before?

[SPEAKER_00]: Did you work you to your residency? [SPEAKER_03]: Down in Beaumont, Texas. [SPEAKER_03]: A little place down there, Port Arthur. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Port Arthur Beaumont right next to each other. [SPEAKER_03]: It was primary care residency, just basic stuff, become a doc and do primary care, which is what they were looking for at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I could have, you know, had there not been wars that were coming on and things like that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got the ability to read tea leaves on war sometimes and know where it's at and know on the battlefield where it's at too. [SPEAKER_03]: having done it for a while now. [SPEAKER_03]: But at the time I took that residency it was great because we had the oil rigs off the coast and traumas would come in and I could actually work on a back of area and we let's go pick people up and it was great.

[SPEAKER_03]: Prepared me for exactly the mission I stepped into in really two thousand three is when I came into. [SPEAKER_00]: And you enlisted as a medical doctor. [SPEAKER_00]: As a doctor. [SPEAKER_00]: You either go depending on the bill it's either straight to captain or a major. [SPEAKER_03]: I went to captain. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I don't remember under what conditions it's major, but there are some conditions. [SPEAKER_00]: There is it. [SPEAKER_03]: It's longer residency programs.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's people that have worked out the most of the very insecter for long. [SPEAKER_00]: I think some surgeons too, like specialists. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, people that I've seen them come into terms of surgeons. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, that's not that there.

[SPEAKER_00]: People think it's crazy, but there are people who do logistical type stuff back in more time, right, who get promoted to Lieutenant General sometimes, like, [SPEAKER_00]: which Bill Nuts and for example. [SPEAKER_00]: William Nuts and was the CEO of General Motors and they promoted him immediately. [SPEAKER_00]: They we need to planes to defeat the Germans of the Japanese and they promoted him to Lieutenant General. [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody had to do what the fuck he said.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you're a three star now you run the whole AR crap program. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's not [SPEAKER_00]: I, to be honest, I think we need more stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: We need more battlefield promotions during times. [SPEAKER_00]: We didn't do any of that in this last twenty-five years of war for some reason. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense.

[SPEAKER_00]: There's like a huge disconnect between [SPEAKER_00]: the gunfighter crowd and the command crowd that is a big problem when it comes to prosecuting war. [SPEAKER_00]: That's got to be those people need to be working in tandem. [SPEAKER_00]: There's always going to bitch at each other. [SPEAKER_00]: They're going to bitch that we're out doing stupid shit all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to bitch.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're not giving us the stuff in the intel we need, but there's got to be synergy between those two groups. [SPEAKER_03]: It's the, it's the fight we call the adcon versus opcon. [SPEAKER_03]: I have operational control over my troops and I'm in the field with them. [SPEAKER_03]: They have administrative control over us in the sense that they run the widgets of what happens behind the battlefield.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was a huge, it's what built the, when you, when you went out the gate, you had to have these, you know, operators and, and these, [SPEAKER_03]: You know plans that were, you know, just to go down and do a KLE. [SPEAKER_00]: I've whatever happened to react to contact. [SPEAKER_00]: Hey, like just I'm called. [SPEAKER_00]: I called I called the vision of like, hey, we're gonna go drive around and see if we can start some shit. [SPEAKER_00]: You guys keep cast on standby.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we need you. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that's kind of like [SPEAKER_00]: We were lucky to be away from the flagpole quite a bit, so we're taught you as our home base, but it was thirty clicks away, and we're eight hundred meters away from the solder city. [SPEAKER_00]: So shit's gonna pop off one way or another no matter what we do, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So we had a lot of latitude to be able to run around and fuck shit up, but yeah, if you're

[SPEAKER_00]: depending on what task force you're on or if you're a slice on another battalion of brigade or something like that it can get pretty in the regular army you can get pretty stupid it does and it did and the problem was that the generals at the time had no combat experience when we went the majors major like the people that were running all the s-shops at brigade and battalion had no combat experience until two thousand eight or nine right we have the captain's loot house real broken right

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that was a problem said I did watch that happen. [SPEAKER_03]: I was at the flagpole two-thirds of the time, but because I was the doc, I could certainly. [SPEAKER_03]: I was special staff, so I had a PA, he'd run the, he'd run the, you know, kill TV, we called it near the Opsen.

[SPEAKER_03]: and they'd all sit there and talk about where's Doc and they'd be like, he's on that, so it's CH-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-F-

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm there so I could be the first hands after the eighteen dollars of hands and me and I can fly back on the bird so that made that was a that was a measure that I took that you know a lot of times got yelled at for but in the long-word run people came home alive was so [SPEAKER_00]: you commission, I don't know, actually know how this works. [SPEAKER_00]: You can call it direct commission. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you can. [SPEAKER_00]: You direct commission.

[SPEAKER_00]: You still go to OCS. [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's hilarious. [SPEAKER_03]: That's good. [SPEAKER_03]: It's basically it. [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's a fork and I've scored to teach doctors and nurses and PAs and [SPEAKER_03]: probably physical therapists, how to wear uniforms out of March. [SPEAKER_03]: It's fork enough. [SPEAKER_03]: And they made me the class leader, of course, even though I had Lieutenant Colonel's and stuff, and so I could march on my tirelessly.

[SPEAKER_03]: So it was easy. [SPEAKER_03]: But it was hard in the sense that here I am doing morning formation. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a major standard. [SPEAKER_03]: It hasn't shaved. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, sir, you need to shave. [SPEAKER_03]: I shaved. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, that's two days old, sir. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, you got five minutes ago. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, here I am cat and tell them, but, you know, the bill has a billet.

[SPEAKER_03]: Bill, it's a built-in rank doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't mean it doesn't. [SPEAKER_03]: Especially not in that world. [SPEAKER_03]: I saw a Lieutenant Colonel had his rank on this is when we had the BDUs and the pin on rank and his oak leaf was upside down so the stem was pacing upwards and I'm like, sir, let me fix this for you. [SPEAKER_03]: I think he was an x-ray guy, radiologist.

[SPEAKER_03]: Okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Those things are what they're there for. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And so it was great. [SPEAKER_03]: They didn't have to learn how to shoot and move and communicate. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: They did a few problem-solving deals out there at Fort Sam Fort Camp Bullis. [SPEAKER_03]: Some problem-solving team building events. [SPEAKER_03]: It was really neat.

[SPEAKER_03]: Land now was about three hours and they just had to make it straight line to one place. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess that makes sense though because they're really only if they get if they're out somewhere that is going to get to one place. [SPEAKER_00]: Probably just get back to hardball to be honest. [SPEAKER_03]: Just get back to somebody that can rescue you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: It's done that before down range.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What was your first duty assignment? [SPEAKER_00]: They put you in hospital first. [SPEAKER_03]: I never worked in a hospital as a doc ever in clinic or a hospital. [SPEAKER_03]: My first duty assignment was first Battalion-nineteenth group. [SPEAKER_03]: It was a garden. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: How do you talk? [SPEAKER_03]: I went from there but that was a bill that was open.

[SPEAKER_03]: I went down range with second battalion, fifth group, they needed a dog and so I went over in backfield, didn't in the ninety days boots on ground with an infantry unit out of Washington State. [SPEAKER_03]: I've all like your Washington Guard unit or the second guard. [SPEAKER_03]: It was great. [SPEAKER_03]: They were underneath the third BCT of the first calf. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's who they were working for.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right there on Irish between the gate was at twelve back to buy out. [SPEAKER_03]: So they were there. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm between twelve. [SPEAKER_03]: Matter of fact, their first KIA was right next to me on the twelve May, two, three, four happened right there. [SPEAKER_03]: So I felt compelled to go back to Washington State a year later and meet with his family and stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a memorial service.

[SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, they became brothers to me, just as much as my SF brothers. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, I'm sure you guys do the hard work. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a lot of people say that. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're running rotations with a variety unit and then at some point. [SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't say, I won't say you decided, but you at some point.

[SPEAKER_00]: you, I'm sorry, I won't say that you decided to go to the Q-horse, but you decided that now was the time to do it for whatever reason. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_03]: It was the time. [SPEAKER_03]: I was at third group. [SPEAKER_03]: I went to act if I assessed to act of beauty from the guard. [SPEAKER_00]: went to the kind of what's that like for an optics a year. [SPEAKER_03]: Takes a year. [SPEAKER_03]: Takes a year.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, what it took me is like a board assessment and everything. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you're going through a lot of assessments, but it's just really honestly it's just the bureaucracy of the VOD from the National Guard Bureau side. [SPEAKER_03]: No big deal. [SPEAKER_03]: Who is what it is? [SPEAKER_03]: I had a lot of J-sets in between there, went to a joint, combined exchange programs.

[SPEAKER_03]: So go down range, train, and foreign internal defense countries that we're allied with. [SPEAKER_03]: I did a lot of those, trained in eighteen delta's, and then enjoying it. [SPEAKER_03]: And just, you know, the community is to me is, you know, you're a warrior diplomat, but you also are a direct action guy. [SPEAKER_03]: So you can do both. [SPEAKER_03]: We did a lot more of that term to G-Watt than anything else. [SPEAKER_00]: What was that like when you said?

[SPEAKER_03]: when you let your command know or however it is I guess that you want to know they were like chambers you're crazy and I said you know just crazy enough and so what we can't stop you so go do what you're going to do and see what happens and then obviously did you resign your commission no I had it I had it written out they didn't walk it in there but they they told you that you're good to go because they didn't wait well here's here's exactly how that happened they gave it to the shrink he walks it down the hallway

[SPEAKER_03]: I see the first general. [SPEAKER_03]: He signs office says, OK, I'm good with this, but I got to talk to my boss, which was General Mahalin. [SPEAKER_03]: And so he said, I'll talk to him. [SPEAKER_03]: And then I got to meet him in the same kind of story. [SPEAKER_03]: OK, but we're going to give you a waiver. [SPEAKER_03]: We'll send you to the Q-course as a major as a forty-five-year-old going into by then forty-five, by the time it rolled into its selection.

[SPEAKER_03]: Then it was [SPEAKER_03]: That was the other way of age. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and then my AOC, you know, Billet is docking. [SPEAKER_03]: So they sent me the cue course to go through the eighteen alpha portion. [SPEAKER_03]: It was great. [SPEAKER_03]: I was actually an asset after that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: What's is? [SPEAKER_00]: Did they put you through any of the delta classes as well? [SPEAKER_03]: No, I didn't have to.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, I had medical training. [SPEAKER_03]: It would have been nice for field stuff, just because going down range, working out of a pack, going to the goat lab back then. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_03]: And I had been there numerous times because I'd go help out and training eighteen Delta's wall was at Bragg. [SPEAKER_03]: I understood it and I knew how to kind of be an ancillary staff. [SPEAKER_03]: I was not a full-time staff there, but I could go do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: That was good. [SPEAKER_03]: There were courses that we did at Fort Sam that for Dox and Field Medicine, that's great. [SPEAKER_03]: But the AT&T Alpha portion for me [SPEAKER_03]: was taking all that MDMP stuff that we wish we never had to do. [SPEAKER_03]: And then forcing it down and I throw it and building out missions. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's what we did.

[SPEAKER_03]: So then I went to the full Robin Sage and I jumped in with my team and we conducted, you know, unconventional warfare in Pineland.

[SPEAKER_03]: you got tabbed at forty seven forty seven yeah and then what yeah and then uh... i went to uh... second battalion third group uh... which was great the bush hogs and uh... they had a uh... you know i got to be careful the sensitivities of names of being at the time was called sift there's a different name and so you know it's an extremist force essentially can be an extremist force it's direct action [SPEAKER_03]: direct action.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was in that battalion, so I wasn't on the, you know, that company, but I was there with the company a lot, trained with them a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: Did you get to go to Sephardic and all that stuff? [SPEAKER_03]: No, it's been in for it. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, now it's gonna, that's that, that my, well, I've never been, but my buddy's telling me that's a really good school. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Falak is the thing that I got to go through, which is, you know, it's good.

[SPEAKER_03]: It's what prepares you for a PMT for downrange when you do that every time we deploy. [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, and I'd see why. [SPEAKER_03]: And I put in for Sodic too, and hey, you know, we'll train you ourselves. [SPEAKER_03]: Kevin Owens was a sniper instructor there at Sodic. [SPEAKER_03]: He trained me on the side. [SPEAKER_03]: He would take me out and go to, because I looked at it like this. [SPEAKER_03]: You're not going to be stacked up on the door dock.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you're in a building way back in the back and you got the medic back, there's no reason why you can't be shooting. [SPEAKER_03]: Right? [SPEAKER_03]: That's bottom line at front. [SPEAKER_03]: Whatever the other people say, you know, docks are not non-combatants. [SPEAKER_03]: Only chaplains are. [SPEAKER_03]: Docks can protect themselves and their troops. [SPEAKER_03]: That's why they're issued weapons when they go down.

[SPEAKER_03]: So being a guy that was the Levin Bravo trained, yeah, that definitely helped me when it came to the Q course. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's truly just the training that really happened after the Q course for me, that what, what, what, how in the skill because I was there a lot with the teams doing stuff going on J sets and then deploying with them, hundred percent on the job training. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: How many times did you deploy with group after that?

[SPEAKER_03]: Two with them. [SPEAKER_03]: One with nineteen. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, do you qualify for us? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I guess it's based on your billet. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so I went as task force surgeon. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't qualify for a CIV just in EF? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, I did for a combat medical badge. [SPEAKER_00]: I got a CMB. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I was in direct combat.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, we had, you can't get more from being at the H station. [SPEAKER_00]: You get it for being in direct combat. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's. [SPEAKER_00]: We had a guy, my buddy. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't remember exactly how it went down, so I don't want to speak out of the turn. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: My buddy Pat, we're still friends today.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a cook in our unit. [SPEAKER_00]: And right before the deployment they went on right before I got there, because at the time, the eighty-second was doing four months off, four months on, just bam, bam, bam, bam, back and forth. [SPEAKER_00]: Mosul, Talifor, all this shit. [SPEAKER_00]: He was a cook. [SPEAKER_00]: Our surmage was like, you shouldn't be a cook. [SPEAKER_00]: You should just come on on patrols with us, because he was obviously an infantry guy, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, some people just have in their bones. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what point you got is C-I-B, but at some point you did, and I don't know, I don't actually know the rules in the R. If it's the assignment, or if you have to have that M-O-S, if you can only be either special forces or eleven Bravo, or eleven series. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I don't know the rules on that side. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't know the C-M-B side, yeah, better, obviously.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I couldn't take somebody that's not a medic and get them a C-M-B. [SPEAKER_03]: Right, yeah, that's a positive side. [SPEAKER_03]: I know that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I feel like C-I-B, [SPEAKER_00]: if you're out there doing infrastructure shit. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we had a cook in second battalion third group in the Tagab Valley District Center.

[SPEAKER_03]: I got into a blue green on blue and then man the walls and and honestly that dude deserved his bronze star with the and he's every bit of a you know green beret asset. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, anybody else. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a how would you say [SPEAKER_00]: You mentioned before, there was a lot of direct act. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the special forces was created to embed with local nationals and create four small suppliers, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: It's why they go to the language school. [SPEAKER_00]: And a big part of it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's a big part of Pyramid. [SPEAKER_00]: A big part of Pyramid is learned in how to develop assets. [SPEAKER_00]: Train these guys up, blah, blah, blah.

[SPEAKER_00]: And during this war there was some of that absolutely but a bulk force Like MP started training Iraqi police and Afghan police Yeah, yeah, so freeed up a bunch of dudes for a quite a bit more gunfighting than typical I mean the GW is not representative of what special forces is an organization is meant to be [SPEAKER_03]: The beginning part of the war, one hundred percent. [SPEAKER_03]: Horse soldiers. [SPEAKER_00]: That's all. [SPEAKER_03]: That is all. [SPEAKER_03]: Textbook, UW.

[SPEAKER_03]: UW and fit are the opposite parts of the coin depends on who the client is if you will. [SPEAKER_03]: When it comes to the war in Iraq, we saw a lot more direct action. [SPEAKER_03]: So the sift teams were really busy. [SPEAKER_03]: Those were Mike Lovers guys. [SPEAKER_03]: and all those I work with Mike. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Mike's going to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, he was at my Texas reserve unit as well, or Nat McGuardian bit of a knucklehead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: He's a, if ever there was a sift dude in my mind, it's Mike Lover. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: I spent some time up there with field craft training, some folks are medical and we're pretty close. [SPEAKER_03]: He'd been through his situation all that. [SPEAKER_03]: I think he's fine now, but Mike is a good man. [SPEAKER_00]: He is, yeah, I really enjoy him. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're, [SPEAKER_00]: I had to check, but I think we're gonna have them on again soon.

[SPEAKER_03]: We don't have them on pretty much. [SPEAKER_03]: He's a wealth of knowledge, and he can work from, you know, literally strategic level, thinking all the way down to tactical, no doubt. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so Kevin Owens worked with him there for a while, and Kevin says, it's a quintessential Irish, angry Irish men sniper, who's amazing. [SPEAKER_03]: And like me went to the QCourse Way later in life. [SPEAKER_00]: He's tougher in what he was in, what's that?

[SPEAKER_00]: What's that? [SPEAKER_00]: It's the tier one Irish unit. [SPEAKER_00]: It's their counter tier. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I can't remember the name of it, but I knew he was a person. [SPEAKER_00]: But Gaelic word, I can't remember. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, Aaron go brah. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, I don't know what that was. [SPEAKER_03]: I learned a lot from him. [SPEAKER_03]: He took me to Sniper Comps. [SPEAKER_03]: We actually got on one Sniper Comps outside Woody's matchup.

[SPEAKER_00]: He ran the school for a while, didn't he? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he was in procurement as well. [SPEAKER_03]: So he bought, you know, the coolest gadgets. [SPEAKER_03]: But he took me to a Woody's match and I was going up against a Sergeant Major from Cag. [SPEAKER_03]: I won't say his name now because I don't want to embarrass him. [SPEAKER_03]: But I think I beat him by one point and he walks over to Kevin goes, who the fuck is that guy?

[SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, that's our dock. [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, uh, I mean, to tell me either. [SPEAKER_03]: But Kevin Traymey. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: There was a time period there where I don't know if you remember this.

[SPEAKER_00]: late two thousand's early twenty ten's and I think the reason probably is because everybody else is deployed right but uh... like the Canadian air force snipers were winning all the best sniper competitions they want to play three out of four some like that and then

[SPEAKER_00]: Fox somebody else a camera who the other weird organization was but then it came back We started especially activities one one I think and then Delta to start it went all of them after that I think I did a twenty four hour cop with there was some keg Delta guys there and it was twenty four hour sniper challenge out in Utah and it was a ballbuster

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked what they, I thought, you know, and hopefully this is going, I know the DOD is now preparing for more of a near-peer style war, which I don't know, I think that's just kind of a reset. [SPEAKER_03]: They did start doing that. [SPEAKER_03]: It was twenty fifteen twenty sixteen. [SPEAKER_03]: I was in the Pentagon talking about that and we were going, okay, no more counterterrorism as the focus but more. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a good reset.

[SPEAKER_00]: Get everybody back to the fundamentals a little bit because Gee wants to own it down. [SPEAKER_00]: We don't know what's going to happen next, but you got to know the fundamentals. [SPEAKER_00]: No matter what happens in the future, you got to know the fundamentals. [SPEAKER_03]: We got to get maneuver. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They started sending, uh, uh, special forces guys back to like JRTC and shit like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Just to get the way it is.

[SPEAKER_00]: What year did you go? [SPEAKER_03]: uh... jrtc was uh... two thousand uh... there no two thousand seven oh wow that's early seven for jrtc for for group guys yeah yeah we didn't i managed to avoid ntc and jrtc my entire career all i was only in for five years but i got it's a great it's like it's like telling you know saying serious wonderful i mean serious sucks but the thing is it's the best thing in the world for brain because you learn what

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, somebody might be a chest jumper, but they give up real quick sometimes mentally. [SPEAKER_03]: And so you do learn a lot about yourself and that same thing with GRTC. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a sick fast year in the swamps. [SPEAKER_03]: You're, you know, you've got Berkeley heat. [SPEAKER_03]: Everybody's, you know, second, but it is a good place to be in the box for training.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you pull a couple of times with [SPEAKER_03]: Odie with that stuff and then my last time actually with the special operation detachment Alpha out of the Texas National Garden. [SPEAKER_03]: That's where Glover was there before me, but he was a starter major there. [SPEAKER_03]: And that was a great trip because I got to work as an eighteen Alpha. [SPEAKER_03]: When I came to Texas, I had hearing Texas hearing Texas and that was it on Lone Star.

[SPEAKER_03]: No, that was actually in the Levant. [SPEAKER_03]: We deploy to Levant. [SPEAKER_03]: We ran a training, essentially with the Jordanians and train their dudes to go across the burn because we do not have AAA authorities to go across the line into Syria, but we could train there guys to go do what they had to do. [SPEAKER_03]: I like Jordan, how are their troops? [SPEAKER_03]: They want stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They want your sunglasses.

[SPEAKER_03]: They want your radios. [SPEAKER_03]: They want, you know, instead of, uh, they wanted, uh, H&K, you know, gas guns, and we're like, well, we got Colts, you know, we can't give you that. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, what do you mean gas guns, like, four sixteenths? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So go on the eBay, dude, what the fuck you asking me? [SPEAKER_00]: They got a lot of money. [SPEAKER_00]: They do have a lot of money.

[SPEAKER_00]: And so, I mean, Zilla likes to treat, he and his son both like the train. [SPEAKER_03]: Okay, no, they were out there with us, you know, we trained their CT forces, you know, their CT guys are really good for the riders. [SPEAKER_03]: Completely qualified. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they're very good. [SPEAKER_00]: They're still in the units, though. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So they're going to try to bar you for all the shit that you have one.

[SPEAKER_03]: That's exactly for sure. [SPEAKER_03]: And then, and the funny thing is we took out their equivalent of would be their Rangers Airborne units and probably the one that I hate to say this funniest days on a drop zone in my life watching people coming out of the sky. [SPEAKER_03]: in all kinds of, you know, meat sack configurations, uh, leading the ground hard.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then literally picking up an unconscious guy like I'm ready to go out there and help because we already jumped further. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're just sitting there going, and it's just a magic. [SPEAKER_03]: Gotta be polite because there's, there's, there's a command standing next to us. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're like, [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, and so we go out there as a dude that's unconscious and they're just picking him up and throwing them over their shoulder. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, I think he might have a neck injury. [SPEAKER_03]: She's just going, okay. [SPEAKER_03]: Check his dick first. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He's got pride, doesn't he? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He gets thrown over your fucking shoulder. [SPEAKER_03]: We might have a problem Houston.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, no, but who nobody is that Pete Pete there's a lot of belly aching these days about this country or that country and go on to war even the big ones China Russia [SPEAKER_00]: Iran, nobody has even close to us. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not even, we're not even in the same ballpark. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you've seen some of these. [SPEAKER_00]: These leaked training videos from China.

[SPEAKER_00]: It looks like that ice of shit around the playground doing on the monkey bars. [SPEAKER_00]: They're no monkey bars in combat, my friend. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not what we're doing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a choreograph training. [SPEAKER_00]: It's very weird. [SPEAKER_00]: So when did you get out then?

[SPEAKER_03]: I left active duty came back to the Texas National Guard and like I said I was I had what's your billet and I guess you're a doc so yeah, so I came back Texas, but I but I came back only showing Eighteen Alpha like they knew that I was a doc, but I said I'm coming in at her's an eighteen Alpha, so it was a I won't say it was a drug deal, but it worked out I came a lot more latitude than the old details [SPEAKER_03]: But I came in more senior because of my rank.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was a senior major by then. [SPEAKER_03]: So they didn't give me an ODA. [SPEAKER_03]: They did, but I had zero members on it. [SPEAKER_03]: So I had an ODA. [SPEAKER_03]: It's OK. [SPEAKER_03]: But I was able to function as an XO, essentially, to the company. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's what I did. [SPEAKER_03]: And I was also the commanding officer for the training detachment, getting guys into the pipeline. [SPEAKER_03]: So it was perfect place for me. [SPEAKER_03]: I deployed.

[SPEAKER_03]: It was non-combat mission, but it was in a combat. [SPEAKER_03]: It's theater. [SPEAKER_03]: It was still under OIA for something like that. [SPEAKER_03]: So we did that one seven months there. [SPEAKER_03]: I came back to another deployment to Guantanamo Bay being a doctor that speaks farcee and Darry comes in handy with a special operation background. [SPEAKER_03]: So I went to Guantanamo so all I can say about that. [SPEAKER_03]: Trained a lot there.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, got huge, great tan. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, worked about four hours a day. [SPEAKER_03]: It was awesome. [SPEAKER_03]: And then came back here and went on one or two actually two J sets to Africa. [SPEAKER_03]: Sub-Saharan Africa is our area of operations for the Sade in Texas. [SPEAKER_03]: It's online. [SPEAKER_03]: You can look it up. [SPEAKER_03]: It's all open source.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so we did everything from Niger Mali to Martania, Burkino Faso, training foreign troops for internal defense. [SPEAKER_03]: Finally, I came back from a trip there and guess what? [SPEAKER_03]: Back home, COVID. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like WTF. [SPEAKER_03]: This is Coronavirus. [SPEAKER_03]: I learned about it in Med School. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a common code. [SPEAKER_03]: And so, no big deal. [SPEAKER_03]: And then they said, no, it's a big deal.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you're going to be Governor Abbott's liaison from the Texas Military Department. [SPEAKER_03]: You just got back from a trip. [SPEAKER_03]: You're going to sit in the meetings. [SPEAKER_03]: And that was the worst mission I ever had in my life because I was literally sitting behind a desk. [SPEAKER_03]: in an operation center in Austin, underground, looking at TV screens, trying to, you know, figure out a way to get fired. [SPEAKER_03]: And I did.

[SPEAKER_03]: And so I just kept saying, hydroxychloroquine, I've remectin, and I'm like, no, we don't say those words. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, yeah, but it work. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm a doc of it. [SPEAKER_03]: I don't understand the I've remectin thing. [SPEAKER_03]: It's been, I think it both, Sam's I have, I think it, you know, anti-paracitic. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying, like, before the whole COVID thing.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it had been prescribed. [SPEAKER_00]: I've seen the data somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like eighty-three million times since they've got problems ridiculous. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, they're cattle. [SPEAKER_00]: My whole life and had it on my hands and I never died. [SPEAKER_00]: Like every rancher you've ever met has some on his person if he's out with his cows, just in case. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a great story.

[SPEAKER_00]: One of my buddies from back home across the red. [SPEAKER_03]: cowboy over guy he says, he said, I'm going to take in this. [SPEAKER_03]: I've remect him and it's a work and I ain't getting that that COVID and I said, yeah, I believe you because I'm looking at the docs that were first coming out listening to it. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm talking to the ER's going, are you guys seeing a lot of people now? [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, there's some people testing positive that they're not sick.

[SPEAKER_03]: I'm like, [SPEAKER_03]: So, Texas is buying millions of dollars of equipment for this thing, preparing for it, and the taxpayers are selling me the mask and shit like that. [SPEAKER_03]: PPEE swabs, all this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Some of the boxes came in from China. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, no, most of those swabs came in from China. [SPEAKER_00]: I was there. [SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't distinguish between the flu and fucking coronavirus.

[SPEAKER_03]: They couldn't, because I could take the bottom of my boot and make it test positive, psychologically enough times. [SPEAKER_03]: But the thing that concerned me was when we went and started shutting down things. [SPEAKER_03]: So we shut down the largest meat packing plant in Texas, Tyson's meat packing plant. [SPEAKER_03]: And there was nobody sick in line. [SPEAKER_03]: We're talking about thousands of workers. [SPEAKER_03]: And there were a few people that were hot.

[SPEAKER_03]: OK, a little sweaty because we're waiting outside and lining in Amrillo during the summer. [SPEAKER_03]: So it was like, you know, this is not making sense. [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, eventually I raised enough hell that they found another doctor to take over. [SPEAKER_03]: And they sent me into the briar patch, which is the border, which was awesome. [SPEAKER_03]: Because that's where I needed to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: And a lot of people [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't widely publicized nationally. [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of people in Texas know about loan star. [SPEAKER_00]: The Biden administration decided to open the floodgates and Abbott was like, you know, they record battles, suing them. [SPEAKER_00]: The supremacy clause is pretty clear in the Constitution, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a limited amount of stuff he can do. [SPEAKER_00]: But unlawful presence is still a crime.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it is complete the crime. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not a civil. [SPEAKER_00]: It's an invasion. [SPEAKER_00]: It may not. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I will tell you as much as I'll tell you the other things are bio weapon. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll tell you this is an invasion. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, period. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so it's like.

[SPEAKER_00]: Abbott starts operation loan star were a bunch of it's some con you can speak more to it than I can obviously but at my understanding was it was some DPS people and then some people from the national guard primarily special forces guys that went down there go out and I'll I'll give you this to forty thousand of a view on that so we started out in the cabin with the three the one four one it's known down there that's infantry and actually their first battle streamers the alamo by the way so we embed traffic's voice

[SPEAKER_03]: So I go there about whatever typical battalion size we run from McCallin all the way over to Roma. [SPEAKER_03]: So it's a pretty long drive, but you know we got we have a battalion do that eight hours full shifts you can't cover a lot the other problem with it was they were LPO piece only [SPEAKER_03]: All right, so listening close options. [SPEAKER_00]: You couldn't, you couldn't. [SPEAKER_00]: No hands on anything. [SPEAKER_03]: No hands on.

[SPEAKER_03]: We, we, we, we briefed for that. [SPEAKER_03]: We, you know, me as the only greenberry on the border at the time. [SPEAKER_03]: My job was task force surgeon and then also liaison. [SPEAKER_03]: So I worked with DPS guys. [SPEAKER_03]: They have [SPEAKER_03]: their own special operations, guys on the border worked with all local law enforcement, border patrol, and then Boretech, Borestar, just the Asing decomplicting.

[SPEAKER_03]: And then looking for a needle and a stack of needles. [SPEAKER_03]: Understand that sometimes, twelve thousand, five hundred people came across a week, yeah, on twelve hundred fifty miles. [SPEAKER_03]: When it started hitting the Haitians in twenty twenty one, I believe it was September or timeframe, seventeen thousand Haitians showed up in Del Rio in a forty out of period. [SPEAKER_03]: All right, that's overwhelmed. [SPEAKER_03]: It's bigger than the talent del Rio.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's just the ones they counted. [SPEAKER_03]: That's not talking about the ones that did the end around six thousand or so other ones that went into talent. [SPEAKER_03]: The gotaways and all that. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's the technical term for that. [SPEAKER_03]: So you got those.

[SPEAKER_03]: So you can always use that as an indicator of what number really came across because once you figure out that number, that's a factor and you go, okay, well, probably about twenty five thousand people came across the border in that particular incident. [SPEAKER_03]: So we went to back and we asked Longstar folks the leadership, I can't wait at least get LAO credentials for our troops. [SPEAKER_03]: They put them all through training, but it hung up in the JAGS office.

[SPEAKER_03]: Between the state, JAGS, or state. [SPEAKER_00]: Can't they just be deputized? [SPEAKER_00]: Met by the governor, literally. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's what Lonesar can do. [SPEAKER_03]: Yes, it can. [SPEAKER_03]: And so that was the purpose of getting them deputized. [SPEAKER_03]: But, and that's not a positive comment on this issue because you're title thirty two. [SPEAKER_03]: Title thirty two. [SPEAKER_03]: And actually, technically, they were on state active duty orders.

[SPEAKER_03]: So they weren't even thirty two, which is great. [SPEAKER_03]: So it should have went through, but the rules of engagement went like this. [SPEAKER_03]: If somebody from the Mike side, Mexico, shoots at you, cartel guys, get in your vehicles, your upper armor, homebees, and driveway. [SPEAKER_03]: Are you kidding me in Texas? [SPEAKER_03]: Now, no bueno. [SPEAKER_03]: So we came back and said, all right, can I bring some green braise on on the border?

[SPEAKER_03]: And I met with with the governor personally face to face in the Delrio hanger and I said, and he asked me, how many green braise we got? [SPEAKER_03]: And I said, you got one. [SPEAKER_03]: You got one. [SPEAKER_03]: There's a saying in Texas, Texas, Ranger, Satanist. [SPEAKER_03]: One riot, one Ranger. [SPEAKER_03]: That's the saying. [SPEAKER_03]: So I said, one humanitarian crisis, one green break. [SPEAKER_03]: And he goes, okay, get more.

[SPEAKER_03]: So he looks at general, get us more. [SPEAKER_03]: But he brought the green break down to border, not to conduct special operations type missions. [SPEAKER_03]: but to conduct a J set training the troops how to be more effective and observing on the board. [SPEAKER_03]: It didn't help. [SPEAKER_03]: So in that there's an optic in reality to everything and that was the reality. [SPEAKER_03]: The thing that really stopped the numbers coming across was President Trump.

[SPEAKER_03]: uh... he did what he did on the deal's department state side deal s uh... with you know threatening tariffs and things like that that's good uh... back channel meetings that who knows what was said uh... the numbers quit right uh... they quit uh... so now it's maybe a hundred across the border a day maybe twenty five reasonable numbers easier to maintain well they say for the last

[SPEAKER_03]: thirty calendar days there's been zero I don't know if you can really say I talked to guys on the border I don't get the actual numbers anymore I can't see it but I would say that's definitely possible thirty days zero I mean you can't you can't get count for gotaways obviously I can't account for what comes across the chihuahua desert now and that's the interesting traffic those are guys wearing carpet on their shoes right so they can't be tracked and that's the that's the area that I focused on after I got out and went into more or less contracting on the border

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, we got it. [SPEAKER_00]: This is a problem that should be taken quite a bit more seriously than even we're taking it right now in my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: It is, it's a literal, it's a literal military invasion in this idea. [SPEAKER_00]: I remember we were cruising around with these strikers came into our AO one time. [SPEAKER_00]: and we're cruising around through the AO, and just like ping, ping, ping, ping, and like hey, people are fucking shooting at us.

[SPEAKER_00]: And they're like yeah, it's fine, but they can't get through them. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that's not the fucking point. [SPEAKER_00]: People have shot at me and they need to die now. [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the fucking rules. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you don't want to mean it. [SPEAKER_03]: You don't want to wait from the fire. [SPEAKER_03]: So what that is, you know where an eye, both know is infantry guys, is that's a probing attack.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, when they're shooting, I want to my points on the border and they're at the Bluffs at Roma. [SPEAKER_03]: Up in the trees, but it's fifty count rounds. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you know, Bill Milugian was standing right there. [SPEAKER_03]: Fox News reporting and all of a sudden, and I go, that's a fifty cow and literally later that night we found out there was an old guy in his house and Roma got hit in the belly that was sitting in his living room.

[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody talks about that. [SPEAKER_03]: Bill Milugian didn't put it out on Fox News, but when you're gunfighter every round has to be answered for my one hundred percent. [SPEAKER_03]: So we suggested [SPEAKER_03]: All right, counter snipers. [SPEAKER_03]: Let's put some good counter snipers down here. [SPEAKER_03]: One or two times, and this is, I'm going to do a re-enactment of my Sergeant Major, he's Cajun, talking to the general, I mean, to the governor's staff.

[SPEAKER_03]: Listen here, y'all, what you need to do is give us the ability to counter sniper that. [SPEAKER_03]: I'll put a carcass on this fricking table right here, a carcass from a car tail guy, and it'll stop all this shit. [SPEAKER_03]: And they were like, [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no more of that. [SPEAKER_03]: Now, I'm sitting there with a straight face and I've got to keep a straight face and I'm like, yeah, what he said, because I'm like, maybe a bit of much there, sorry, Major.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: Thanks. [SPEAKER_03]: Maybe not on the table. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, not on the table. [SPEAKER_03]: It's just a bit much, but he was right in that if you did it one time in a sector, they wouldn't do that anymore. [SPEAKER_03]: Dogs, dogs were key. [SPEAKER_03]: I got my dogs sitting outside in the truck and you see he is a, he's a working dog. [SPEAKER_03]: When our dog is barking at night, [SPEAKER_03]: And you put some signs on the mic side.

[SPEAKER_03]: Walk across the night, put some signs of there. [SPEAKER_03]: Pedro is no bueno. [SPEAKER_00]: Dog is no good. [SPEAKER_00]: They will stop. [SPEAKER_00]: That is universal, by the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Even in your own home, even if it's a small dog having a barking dog in your house decreases the chance of breaking by sixty-five percent. [SPEAKER_00]: And we've ever been to the mid-East, they don't really care for them over there.

[SPEAKER_00]: As a matter of fact, I don't think anybody anywhere does. [SPEAKER_03]: No, even me, if I'm down to range and I hear dogs, I'm going to go, do I need to kill this dog and maybe have a soft compromise? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'll just go this way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this Churchill said appeasement is feeding the crocodile hoping he eats you last.

[SPEAKER_00]: That is, when you're talking about kinetic operations and that's what this is, that is completely unacceptable. [SPEAKER_00]: We built a TTP that we will run away. [SPEAKER_00]: Essentially. [SPEAKER_03]: And they know it. [SPEAKER_03]: And they know it. [SPEAKER_03]: Right. [SPEAKER_03]: And that's the thing that just chaps my hide. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's almost like a job that creates standoff. [SPEAKER_00]: Now you can make a bigger move in that area.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole purpose of doing it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's part one of multiple problem sets. [SPEAKER_03]: And look, at soldiers, we're always going to complain about problem sets. [SPEAKER_03]: But that's how AARs work, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And we find out what we sustain, what we need to train, and we improve. [SPEAKER_03]: Unfortunately, none of that was taken, none of the AARs that we gave. [SPEAKER_03]: It is what it is.

[SPEAKER_03]: We're looking to a better brighter future right now. [SPEAKER_03]: But the enemies in the wire. [SPEAKER_03]: How many? [SPEAKER_03]: Thirty thousand hundred thousand I don't know.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I can't tell you that number exactly but I can tell you trend at Rog was here December Eighteenth two years ago twelve thousand five hundred Venezuelans came across Eagle Pass They took him in buses moved him up to the convention center in San Antonio I'm out now at this point, but I'm doing counter human trafficking some pain attention to bad guys [SPEAKER_03]: We get the information on TDA. [SPEAKER_03]: How many of them came in? [SPEAKER_03]: We get that to DPS.

[SPEAKER_03]: They do whatever they do with it. [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we do. [SPEAKER_03]: We hand information and we share it. [SPEAKER_03]: But what I'm looking at is a job fair in the Convention Center as Cartel guys are driving by picking up guys. [SPEAKER_03]: They're in the water.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it's it's there's a lot of people and TDA that's trend to Iraq with a train of Iraq the region where the prison was in Venice way this way LL these are guys that have a tattoo right here of AK forty seven. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the new MS thirteen kind of right there. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean your thugs. [SPEAKER_00]: You know MS thirteen is El Salvador TDA is is Venezuela and the same group people [SPEAKER_00]: They're worse than any of the South or Central American cartels.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, there's a guy. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm sorry. [SPEAKER_03]: I would recommend to get on your show. [SPEAKER_03]: Jason Jones former intel on the border. [SPEAKER_03]: He's now a news reporter for Newsmax Jason. [SPEAKER_03]: That guy right there knows more. [SPEAKER_03]: He's forgotten more about cartels on the border than anybody I know. [SPEAKER_03]: And he and I spent a lot of time together down there and now he's out and he's doing reporting.

[SPEAKER_03]: But Jason, and we'll all tell you this, you know, you might be thinking CDN and CNJG and Sinaloa, these are bad dudes. [SPEAKER_03]: No, they got rules. [SPEAKER_03]: They got rules, but the worst ones down there come from Venezuela. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh yeah, because the cartel of the solos, the sun, that when there is run by the government, Venezuela. [SPEAKER_03]: The reason they say sun is because the generals insignia is a sun.

[SPEAKER_03]: So these are run by the government and Venezuela. [SPEAKER_03]: And then run Hamas and Hezbollah through there. [SPEAKER_03]: They've got them doctors, Venezuelans. [SPEAKER_03]: They need to learn a little Spanish. [SPEAKER_03]: They walk right by us on the border, high five on our troops, figuratively speaking. [SPEAKER_03]: But this is a problem set.

[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, is a guy that's trying to, you know, not say the sky is falling, but to inform people into, you know, build out a realistic [SPEAKER_03]: battlefield picture, right, called it IPB information preparation of the battlefield. [SPEAKER_03]: I've got to brief law enforcement, DPS, both state and local, and I do, and they listen.

[SPEAKER_03]: But some of them, you know, really can't do anything about it until the expenditures there to conduct that authority or to build that authority to run that operation. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's actually a huge problem as well, and went to business school for a while.

[SPEAKER_00]: It turns out, one of the biggest problems that happens in a corporate environment is that, one of the primary reasons that middle management fails is not being given the authority they need to accomplish the job they have to do. [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the biggest problems. [SPEAKER_00]: The other one is micromanaging and then incompetence, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Those are the three big ones. [SPEAKER_00]: I can eliminate for incompetence easily enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: and eliminating for [SPEAKER_00]: micro management is I, in my opinion, a function of eliminating for incompetence, it kind of goes hand in hand and then the last one, you gotta give me the power I need to do the thing I need to do.

[SPEAKER_00]: I can't, like if I'm even where we were, we ran into this stuff from time to time where we're in the middle of a gunfight and I've got to get an O-five, they're on the line to get my, just a patchy to slink some rockets down that no, man, what the hell you talking about? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm my F.O.S. [SPEAKER_00]: right there and I've got a fire support officer with me as well at both. [SPEAKER_00]: And you got PID so you're there calling.

[SPEAKER_00]: I've got a JTAC on my radio right now. [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck I know where this guy is. [SPEAKER_00]: I can see him shooting at me. [SPEAKER_03]: And those things went like a waveform during the war, you know, in the initial phase there was none of that. [SPEAKER_03]: And then after that it kind of slowed down.

[SPEAKER_03]: The rains came on to where my [SPEAKER_03]: Two thousand eight mission afghanistan, you know, they they sent a jagged after me first, you know, my rear vehicle on a convoy of emraps, you know, shooting a taxi out of pieces because it wouldn't slow down, right? [SPEAKER_03]: Now, you know, the guy lived, the driver lived, he was he got some shrapnel, pulling to the fob, and Jag comes out and tells me, you're, you know, that's a war crime, and I'm like,

[SPEAKER_03]: I gave the call from the front vehicle on the commander as he stopped and now sir he's coming he's underneath my gun right now now he's got to pull you know I'm like take out the engine yeah I mean I've I've been the rear gun I've done that actually coming out of a solder city one time yeah I was the rear gunner coming out

[SPEAKER_00]: And this dude, maybe four or five blocks north of us, a couple of, I remember who was Emraps or strikers had gotten blown up in a block in position or getting to their block in position because we were conducting a raid for this big weapons depot. [SPEAKER_00]: on the way out and this I didn't say shit. [SPEAKER_00]: I did it. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not asking permission in the middle of stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: This probably a toy with a prince, you know what I mean?

[SPEAKER_00]: But it comes around the quarter and it's maybe a hundred fifty meters away and it starts accelerating towards us. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not playing that game. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not asking anybody else. [SPEAKER_00]: I've been here. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so I just I didn't kill the guy this fucking what you stopped in poppacks.

[SPEAKER_00]: I just I put rounds I skipped rounds off like right in front of the car So they would that's what he can see what's happening and see it Yeah, and at that time we had rules of engagement big signs they can read it, but he was just stay back a hundred feet back [SPEAKER_03]: And so because it was not a bomb in the truck, therefore the Jag was like, and I was like, well, do what you got to do. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_03]: But there is lies the exact thing you said.

[SPEAKER_03]: As a commander, very tactically, you know, positioned not back in a fob somewhere, but in the front, you know, the five M reps. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, look, I've got to trust my guy in the back to know that he's capable of doing what he has to do. [SPEAKER_00]: The delay, the ping between asking answer is too long. [SPEAKER_03]: As me calling the base to say, hey, can I stop somebody? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: If he was laden with an V-bed, done.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's just a matter of insecurity and your command in my opinion, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's the side of weak command. [SPEAKER_00]: And we get that a lot in the military. [SPEAKER_00]: We overcome it. [SPEAKER_00]: because there's a lot of confidence around, uh, when there's weak man in government though, it's a big problem.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because it's a much, I think it's much more difficult to overcome that because the [SPEAKER_00]: the impact of government is so broad and the ability to affect it is our ability is kind of acute and it takes a long time to move that big ass ship around. [SPEAKER_03]: It is a cumbersome and when these things take place, the medical term is an insidious onset, a slow onset of [SPEAKER_03]: It could be, you know, moral bankruptcy. [SPEAKER_03]: It happens over time.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, there's a French writer in the French Revolution. [SPEAKER_03]: His name was Frederick Bostiatte. [SPEAKER_03]: And he wrote this book called The Law and it's worth reading. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a treatise. [SPEAKER_03]: It's a small book. [SPEAKER_03]: But it talks about, and I'm going to paraphrase the whole book in one sentence. [SPEAKER_03]: It is the reason that legislators were created is to legally plunder the citizens, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's what they do over time. [SPEAKER_03]: If you don't keep a check on that.

[SPEAKER_03]: they have a lot of the system of government eventually becomes an engine to track labor and wealth in the population and so when I tell people you know you want to read something that's short sweet right there it is and he'll say the same thing over and again nine what nine different ways [SPEAKER_03]: That is it and we've seen that and we also see cycles, you know, the weekmen and weektimes, you know, strongmen, strongtimes, you know, that's strong times.

[SPEAKER_03]: Hard times are bring strongmen. [SPEAKER_03]: That is a cycle that happens in our nations over and over and over again. [SPEAKER_03]: And right now, I think we're coming on a new time when [SPEAKER_03]: You know, this younger generation right now, especially these kids that are coming out, they're looking for leadership.

[SPEAKER_03]: And I mentor a bunch of them, I've taken the reins, we go shoot, we've rocked together, I mean, you're seeing they're just reaching for a real leader, you know, just in their world. [SPEAKER_03]: And then in their world, you know, at the tactical level. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you see it with animals to dogs get all sketched out when you just let them do whatever they want. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the same as children, right? [SPEAKER_00]: There's a message there.

[SPEAKER_00]: People need structure in their lives and they don't have the, I guess you could say mental or psychological sophistication at that point to do it for themselves yet. [SPEAKER_03]: What I used to tell troops when they come in if they had, if they needed to some vages or not, but it was, well, I know what your diagnosis is, son, what's that? [SPEAKER_03]: You're weak. [SPEAKER_03]: Well, nobody wants to hear that. [SPEAKER_03]: But you're weak.

[SPEAKER_03]: You're constitutionally weak. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you've got to out you. [SPEAKER_03]: But in here, you're weak. [SPEAKER_03]: I've seen men literally, you know, little tiny piece of strap from when they're thigh and come over. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, take their hand off from like, stop. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, just stylish. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, just go. [SPEAKER_00]: Now my body been West. [SPEAKER_00]: He was a fucking lunatic.

[SPEAKER_00]: But we're, he is, they were in Charlie Company. [SPEAKER_00]: I was a problem. [SPEAKER_00]: His, uh, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I was in headquarters at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I was the art company, RTO at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: He's in the gunner seat. [SPEAKER_00]: A homebie gets hit with an RPG right in the front windshield and just small and class in his legs. [SPEAKER_00]: And he won.

[SPEAKER_00]: He goes black on ammo, returning fire before he does anything with a fifty count. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't do it. [SPEAKER_00]: Just going nuts. [SPEAKER_00]: Then he gets out, pulls all his like two of his dudes out of the homebie and moves them around the quarter.

[SPEAKER_00]: grabs his rifle and starts trying to get back into the fight and his, um, I think it's between starter with Stancel, uh, who went back to R.I. [SPEAKER_00]: at the time, he's just like, dude, you gotta calm the fuck down. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We got it. [SPEAKER_00]: Relax. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but that's like, that's the dude I'm looking for.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean it isn't he he there's nothing different physiologically about him and anybody else he just doesn't like a different size different you know that's that doesn't mean shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's just like he he decided that [SPEAKER_00]: That's the kind of person he was going to be. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what happened. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that we all have to decide at some point.

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, there's a certain sense of tactical maturity that takes place over time. [SPEAKER_03]: It happened to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: First time either gate when I get into a tick. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I did get in that not black, but I would say I was approaching it. [SPEAKER_03]: And I'm trying to get out of this tunnel vision. [SPEAKER_03]: I knew all the words in the books.

[SPEAKER_03]: Right, but I knew that we were in a fight and I'm going to either make a hand or I'm going to be a liability. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, quickly ascertained. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, my truck was blown up. [SPEAKER_03]: My ears are ringing. [SPEAKER_03]: I got blood coming out of it. [SPEAKER_03]: My windshield was blown out. [SPEAKER_03]: Then brought back in in that over pressure.

[SPEAKER_03]: But you know, once you get back in, then you have to say, okay, well, that was a twelve to May, two thousand four. [SPEAKER_03]: What am I going to do on the thirteen to May? [SPEAKER_03]: My going back out of the water was the same betrayal, same, you know, speed, surprise, violence, action. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing I did was I became the best guy in the world. [SPEAKER_03]: from in my circle on IEDs and how to identify.

[SPEAKER_03]: I went back home, got training, and then I started teaching softsat, which is left to bang through from soft. [SPEAKER_03]: And I started teaching it because I wanted people to understand the cues. [SPEAKER_03]: And when I would tell the story about my IED trip, which is, you know, just a three vehicle convoy going to a neighborhood advisory council meeting, soft target. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, I got all the antennas on my truck. [SPEAKER_03]: Of course I'm going to be blown up.

[SPEAKER_03]: So then I started teaching those things and I use that story to say, hey, this TC in this vehicle, F-Dup, that was me, right? [SPEAKER_03]: But I'm telling the story. [SPEAKER_03]: So everybody's like, yeah, what do you do? [SPEAKER_03]: You got, you got lulled into the fact that we're behind way behind any action. [SPEAKER_03]: And it was just a typical day out there in South of July, fourteen bridge, the next thing you know, all mayhem.

[SPEAKER_03]: Money army, McDonald, all sodders, guys. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, they, they, they sucker punched us. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's how you learn. [SPEAKER_00]: That that's who ran R. A.o. [SPEAKER_00]: J. Shalmati. [SPEAKER_00]: They were putting fucking one, five, five rounds and dead horses on the side of the road. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what the mind was. [SPEAKER_00]: One, five, five, five rounds. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't.

[SPEAKER_00]: I was able to go, so I went on mid tour leave at some point because we stayed for fifteen months. [SPEAKER_00]: It was supposed to be six and then nine and then twelve and then fifteen. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it went during the surge part. [SPEAKER_00]: There were stop-lock people should. [SPEAKER_00]: But on the way back from mid tour, I got to go to Task Force Troy, which is the IED School of Biop. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's super nice. [SPEAKER_00]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a, yeah, I really enjoyed that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it wasn't a paladin too. [SPEAKER_00]: They were out there doing some of that counter ID stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there was a paladin and then they sometime after that they sent some dudes from asymmetrical warfare group out to us as well. [SPEAKER_00]: So it was a team of it was a dev group guy and his corpsman.

[SPEAKER_00]: and a delta guy who had just retired and then an old FBI, I don't know what the fuck he was doing there. [SPEAKER_00]: Like a sixty-five year old FBI dude who was a SEC expert. [SPEAKER_00]: And he would come on the fucking [SPEAKER_00]: He would come on the raid with us and just walk us through the hot like I'm like, you know, we're in a fucking war right now, right? [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't some secure location in Baltimore, dude. [SPEAKER_03]: They want to get back in the mix.

[SPEAKER_03]: They miss it. [SPEAKER_03]: This guy, John Gies, I'll just say his first name, you know, Iranian American guy was that been round. [SPEAKER_03]: at Desert One, you know, the original hostage rescue in Iran. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And he's in his sixties now at the seventies. [SPEAKER_03]: You're talking about eagle claw. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, eagle claw wow. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: So he was on that mission.

[SPEAKER_03]: And he's retired long retired from from Delta, but he was out there doing that counter-AD stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, lessons learned stuff. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: He'd go out with us. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, he got in that crazy. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, helicopter crash. [SPEAKER_03]: I suited up his head and you mean, these are some hard dudes. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we need hard dudes to get involved more and stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not everybody's gonna run for office or anything like that, but you are. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You're running for governor of Texas. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: How's that going? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, it's like pushing a large ball up a hill, and I've got six clicks to go, just to get into the stage where people know who I am, right? [SPEAKER_03]: And I expected that. [SPEAKER_03]: We expected that.

[SPEAKER_03]: I was approached months ago by a group of Texans and people from around the country. [SPEAKER_03]: Hey, would you consider it? [SPEAKER_03]: I said, not know, but I have no, no, I'm not doing this. [SPEAKER_03]: No, now I can't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a hundred million dollar war chests. [SPEAKER_03]: This is a crazy thing ever.

[SPEAKER_03]: over time did a feasibility study over time I said well how many things have been told no that I can't do in the past maybe I'm just crazy enough to try this and then when I did and then I noticed the grassroots movement coming up and saying you're real deal right and then I hate the fact that this happened this way but there was a flood in Texas as you know and I put the campaign on hold and went out there and made a hand two hours after it happened there we were in Ingram

[SPEAKER_03]: And we're a counter human trafficking team, but we're also a disaster relief. [SPEAKER_03]: We were in North Carolina for weeks. [SPEAKER_03]: And so we know how to hit the ground and set up essentially a base camp. [SPEAKER_03]: You know, a jump talk, if you will. [SPEAKER_03]: And then started calling dudes and started calling the first ones versus heroes for humanity, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: So this is Dennis Price and another guy, John Chase and Christensen and all these guys, Castle Berry. [SPEAKER_03]: I call these guys. [SPEAKER_03]: These are all Marseille divers, combat divers, one seal that was with them. [SPEAKER_03]: We brought in some hard-hat divers and so we were actually they, they were the primary people that were doing the recovery work.

[SPEAKER_03]: You know, because we hit it during the rescue phase, but there was, you know, I didn't have assets, but we were a very small footprint here in Texas, you know, the remnant ministry TX is what we are, but they came in and then what do I do? [SPEAKER_03]: Well, then I basically take an ad-con position in administrative control over the civilians that are out there doing so are and then I'm putting out sit-ups every day and just making a hand. [SPEAKER_03]: That's just what you do.

[SPEAKER_03]: Until I find myself in the middle of a, [SPEAKER_03]: a special session briefing with the joint Senate and House side briefing on what went wrong, went right. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: And they give me three minutes and I briefed it and that was it. [SPEAKER_03]: But represented the people that were on the seventeenth thousand, probably about twenty, thirty thousand civilians that came out to be the acute phase response.

[SPEAKER_03]: Because really you can't wait for the state and you can't wait for FEMA when you got people in the water alive. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, people just in general. [SPEAKER_00]: One of the reasons that we set up all of these joint organizations back in the day wasn't even necessarily for them to work actively work together, but more to disseminate the information. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the army back in the day set up call Center for Army Lessons Learn.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's no one in the army knows what it is unless you work there. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's ever got anything from a completely pointless. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We've done some task force over time asymmetrical warfare group was probably the best in my opinion during that time period. [SPEAKER_00]: Task force Troy was also great. [SPEAKER_00]: Going around he's a people ID stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: But the JTTFs at the federal level, they're okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Mostly people send their wobbly wheels over there to be honest. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Depending if you're near the flagpole, you get some good dudes.

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you're out in space somewhere, but you know that when we started doing, and I saw this happen in Syria, and this was really where it really took off, was the fusion cell type of idea where it was bringing, you know, team of teams, that kind of stuff, and I'm not, you know, I'm not pushing anybody's books out there, but I'm saying is when you have the operator, say, but walk in and talk to the analysts and quickly go into the F-III-E-A-D, Final Fix, Finish, Exploitan, and then go back into that again, that's their loop on steroids.

[SPEAKER_03]: And that's where you start doing operations real fast. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the part that matters. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the part not just being permanently around each other, but the ability to have in the fight. [SPEAKER_00]: This is what makes the ICS system that calfired to develop back in the seventies. [SPEAKER_00]: That's now the standard for all FEMA stuff, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's what makes it good because everybody operates on the same playbook.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't have to have the same solutions to everything. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is how we get the solution to the problem. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the point. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't matter what the particular solution is because there's a lot of ways to skin a cat. [SPEAKER_00]: The bigger thing is to get the solution to the problem with as much expedience as human beings. [SPEAKER_00]: Big expedience. [SPEAKER_03]: When it were an accident phase and rescue phase, is that phase?

[SPEAKER_03]: Recovery, yeah, I want to body to get back to the families, but I can't risk it at the lives of the people that are out there in recovery phase. [SPEAKER_03]: So at that point, that's when you pull your less experienced people off of the river and say, okay, you go out and start getting you on a hub and spoke distribution center for supplies to people. [SPEAKER_03]: And we could do that, and that happened, and it was great.

[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, thousands of people moving supplies all over the place on the civilian side, which augmented the EEOC, you know, that was there in Kerville, emergency operations center for the state, run by TDAM, Texas Department of Emergency Management. [SPEAKER_03]: So that's good. [SPEAKER_03]: Now, there's always going to be, you know, finger pointing, who screwed up, and all that, but it doesn't matter on the ground, on the tactical side.

[SPEAKER_03]: Nobody screwed up out there because everybody's doing it out their own goodness of their heart. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and the people that went out there know what they're doing for the most. [SPEAKER_03]: Oh, with our groups for sure. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because I've edited them personally. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: What people are doing, carrying boxes from a supply care center, I could care less.

[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_03]: But when they're in their water, I, I, matter of fact, he was for humanity literally are firing for get and they are still out there right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Still working. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we sent some guys down there to shoot a many dock on that that'll be out here sometimes soon. [SPEAKER_00]: What's your, [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to go do the other show here in a sec, but what's your goal running for governor?

[SPEAKER_03]: Well, there's these multiple goals. [SPEAKER_03]: It depends on what sector you're in, what will appeal to you. [SPEAKER_03]: But it's I'm not the guy that's, you know, the politician. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not the guy that's going to, you know, piss on your leg and tell you it's raining. [SPEAKER_03]: If I can't do it, I'll say we can't do it. [SPEAKER_03]: But I'll say can we can we bring taxes down?

[SPEAKER_03]: They went up to one twenty six percent in the last twelve years under the same governor. [SPEAKER_03]: Can I tell you that we would have a more robust state guard system to include a special mission unit? [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, absolutely. [SPEAKER_03]: You know what requires that? [SPEAKER_03]: And if you're a border state, you need it. [SPEAKER_03]: And we have a state guard, but it's more like bring sandwiches to the hurricane. [SPEAKER_03]: We're not doing that anymore.

[SPEAKER_03]: Florida has an SMU. [SPEAKER_03]: Texas needs one. [SPEAKER_03]: And I've already talked to three guys that are retired from Delta. [SPEAKER_03]: They're going to come down their friends of mine. [SPEAKER_03]: And we're going to have them. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm acting as though I'm the governor right now in my mind. [SPEAKER_03]: So we're conducting all the assessments. [SPEAKER_03]: We've got the policy.

[SPEAKER_03]: We've plused up House Bill, forty nine, fourteen, which is to do that to create a quintessentially premier unit in the state of Texas with regard to the state guard, who goes back also to the Alamo, under Bowie. [SPEAKER_03]: Bowie was the, you know, the militia guy. [SPEAKER_03]: And Bowie and Brad Travis was the uniform guy. [SPEAKER_03]: They butted heads a few times, but they both died there at the Alamo.

[SPEAKER_03]: We need to bring back that kind of honor, prestige, and a spirit of core. [SPEAKER_03]: So those are things on the safety security side of the house. [SPEAKER_03]: Then the other things, they fall into different categories based upon the lines of effort and what needs to be done first. [SPEAKER_03]: But it all has to happen at the same time. [SPEAKER_03]: So in order to do that, I've got to create task forces. [SPEAKER_03]: And the governor has a purview can do that.

[SPEAKER_03]: So the smartest people in the world on decentralized medicine, the smartest people in the world on how to phase out taxes, property taxes, period, period all the way. [SPEAKER_03]: And you know, it's full stop. [SPEAKER_03]: If you have a kid in the school system, not in the school system, but in a school system area, but he's home schooled, you shouldn't have to pay for those taxes for kids that are getting [SPEAKER_03]: getting trained in that system.

[SPEAKER_03]: So those are the kind of things, but I can't know everything about everything, but I can get pretty smart out real quick. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, I'm talking about data centers that are using up so much water to cool servers that the city of Abelene can't survive on the water. [SPEAKER_03]: They've got, which gets ten inches of rain a year. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and this state needs to build probably five to ten nuclear reactors over the next fifteen years or we're fucked.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we can. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the energy, [SPEAKER_00]: The data servers that are around here the energy required for those things is going to grow exponentially over the next ten years. [SPEAKER_03]: The energy and the water people forget about the water cooling of the evaporative process. [SPEAKER_03]: You want to put one down there on the ocean get a desalination plant. [SPEAKER_03]: Go for it, right?

[SPEAKER_03]: But if you can't recapture the vaporization coming off, you know, these are the things that I got to start thinking about. [SPEAKER_03]: And I am drinking from the fire hose, but

[SPEAKER_00]: they get prioritized based upon need and and how close what time of target is you know I call that a fifty meter I call that one a hundred that's a thousand meter target we can do that but they all have to happen it's at the same time yeah uh... there's a lot of things to fix yeah well it definitely a lot of stuff to fix and uh... you know ambitious the good news is uh... it's doable for it for this knocking a lot of this stuff out so it's doable the practice thing to try to tackle right now the SMU they've tackled

[SPEAKER_00]: there. [SPEAKER_00]: their immigration policy is quite a bit of an ours even. [SPEAKER_03]: I'm in discussion with them and as well state of Oklahoma how they're doing they're decreasing their phasing out their property taxes as well. [SPEAKER_03]: We're doing homework now in order to jump in and get to work. [SPEAKER_03]: And we won't be, you know, I'm not courting billionaires.

[SPEAKER_03]: Most billionaires in Texas, I've met some good people, but they all are going to kind of the thing that they know, you know, a governor that they know, it's hard for them to vote against their institutionalists for sure. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I don't fault them for that. [SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's just, it just, that's the way it is. [SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, luckily in Texas, you know, as a candidate, you can take money from out of state, and there's no camp on it.

[SPEAKER_03]: So there are people, this is a nationwide election. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is. [SPEAKER_00]: This is one of the last stands for all the stuff that's going on. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll look, I appreciate you coming today. [SPEAKER_00]: Tell everybody where they can find you your website. [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, docpeachambers.org, DOC, Pete, P-E-T-E Chambers with a nest.org. [SPEAKER_00]: All right, great. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, thanks for coming today. [SPEAKER_00]: I really appreciate you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Time for that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, sir. [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you all for listening. [SPEAKER_00]: This has been Citizen.