301 | Michael Malice

[SPEAKER_02]: I think America's greatest asset is American culture. [SPEAKER_02]: And the fact that we're conquering the world, not through force of arms, because people consume our products. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's very, very hard to hate a country if you listen to their music and watch the shows and the books. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that is the best way to have kind of colonialism for lack of a better term. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it's social colonialism.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I refer to as American soft power, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's the best. [SPEAKER_00]: It's by far the best. [SPEAKER_00]: It works. [SPEAKER_01]: Let's go. [SPEAKER_00]: Welcome to Citizen. [SPEAKER_00]: We have a special guest today. [SPEAKER_00]: Michael Malz. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, you blow up New York. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you voting for Mam Domino? [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what that means? [SPEAKER_02]: Uh, I was going to, I, I, I made these shirts.

[SPEAKER_02]: I was going to convert them into a non-binary shit. [SPEAKER_00]: And I thought that was, but I just put his face in the background of that mushroom cloud. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what it comes up. [SPEAKER_00]: How are you doing today? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm doing phenomenal how about yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: Good. [SPEAKER_00]: How do you like Texas so far? [SPEAKER_00]: I love Texas. [SPEAKER_02]: It was really funny.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've been, I was living here for a week and then I started opening all my tweets with as a Texan comma and people were getting so angry as if like they didn't realize it was a joke. [SPEAKER_00]: So what about the climate? [SPEAKER_00]: Because you come from Russia originally? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: New York. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: But New York gets quite people. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Southerners that haven't traveled much.

[SPEAKER_00]: Don't understand that. [SPEAKER_00]: Not yet, but in about a month, four about a month, New York is balmy, and it sucks. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like fucking, I don't understand how long. [SPEAKER_02]: It's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it is. [SPEAKER_02]: I like it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: No, no, so, okay, I was just in New York last week. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And Austin is considered the driver of police, the sweatiest city in America. [SPEAKER_02]: It is.

[SPEAKER_02]: New York was worse because here's why I forgot, because it's been a year at this point. [SPEAKER_02]: When you're in that subway, [SPEAKER_02]: and it's humid outside and there's no air circulation. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't remember how I did it without passing out. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm standing there and it's like some kind of fear factor thing because you can't breathe. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't know how long you're going to be there and it's just you start getting lightheaded.

[SPEAKER_02]: You don't have that air because you're just walking from your car in your house. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's worse than some context. [SPEAKER_00]: And New York isn't [SPEAKER_00]: the same with air conditioning like Texas is. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Texas. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a hundred and ten degrees outside and you walk into a place in its seventy, which is a forty immediate forty degree difference. [SPEAKER_00]: You're like, what?

[SPEAKER_00]: Your body doesn't not handle that shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a good idea. [SPEAKER_00]: I love my house cold. [SPEAKER_00]: If it's during the winter time, it's at like sixty nine, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: But in the summer, it's like seventy four because if you want, if I'm going in and out, if I'm to stay in it side all day, I'll turn it lower.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm in and out all day, it's like, you can't go from a hundred to seventy all day. [SPEAKER_02]: That's fun that you said. [SPEAKER_02]: So my house I have a robot to set the temperature to the exact degree. [SPEAKER_02]: I want it. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it Elon's? [SPEAKER_00]: What is it? [SPEAKER_02]: It's a Brazil. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah, I've got Brazil. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So I have mine hooked up to my ring stuff.

[SPEAKER_00]: So I got this. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't have any sunlight in my house. [SPEAKER_02]: I hate it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't debate my cool stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: So I literally have no idea what had temperatures outside.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the thing is, like you said, like, I'll leave and as a New Yorker, I like walking around and if it's sunny in my head, I still think, oh, it's sunny weather that means I can walk and then you go to blocks and you're like, wait a minute, no, I'm not New York anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: But when I get home, I feel like a dog because I can't cool off.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm just sitting there, I'm like, this is not these dogs are sitting there for like an hour trying to recalibrate after you walk outside. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's rough. [SPEAKER_00]: No pun intended, obviously. [SPEAKER_00]: But the New York subway is under water now, so it's even worse. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: It flooded the other day. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know which parts, but part of a like flooded. [SPEAKER_00]: That happens.

[SPEAKER_02]: That infrequently I think. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, anytime there's flash floods around there, it's going to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go back into your history a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: You were born in what is now Ukraine? [SPEAKER_00]: What part?

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[SPEAKER_02]: So, I don't care. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm here. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm out there. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm no kind of religious either. [SPEAKER_02]: These people, people's. [SPEAKER_02]: But the Ukrainians were under Russian rule for decades. [SPEAKER_02]: And they hauled them more, you know, with millions of them were started at. [SPEAKER_02]: They do not think very highly of Russia at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you say Ukraine or the Ukraine or Liviv or Livov, you're like immediately taking sides and it's a huge deal for them. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, I get it. [SPEAKER_00]: But isn't Ukraine the original seat of the Russian Empire, the Russ, the Rus and people, the Russ people? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure I can this seventh century or something like that or you know sure and and you know technically we should be Mexico right now, but like now they've lost Mexico we kicked a shit out.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so and the Russia's kicked the shit that you're creating. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, there you go. [SPEAKER_02]: What the fuck we debate? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not debating. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm explaining like this is not I have no horse in this race. [SPEAKER_00]: I am here but there is a [SPEAKER_00]: You grew up in Leviv. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I grew up in Brooklyn. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you were born there. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Wait, what age when two?

[SPEAKER_00]: Two. [SPEAKER_00]: So you don't remember any of that? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know. [SPEAKER_00]: Good. [SPEAKER_00]: Good for you. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what was you remember cold soups? [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd be a cold. [SPEAKER_02]: No, we had warm soup. [SPEAKER_02]: You could warm soup. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd plan it's refreshing soup as a kid though. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Gaspati was a prank.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've never, I don't think I've ever had this much of. [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's actually not bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, there's different iterations of it that are pretty good, but I think it's kind of a, it's almost like going hiking. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, well, we, why did we turn this thing that we just have to do to stay alive and do a fucking sport? [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know, or, I mean, it had one.

[SPEAKER_02]: Do you know who, you know that the super Nazi was a real guy? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So did you ever go to his stand? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I never went. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's legit. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And then he is still there? [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: And they franchiseed. [SPEAKER_02]: So it was that if you stores and I know he's serving a spot show and I don't know if I had something with little gourds in it once.

[SPEAKER_02]: That was warm. [SPEAKER_02]: So much as vegetables. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the best one I think I had was, like, butternut squash. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the one I had. [SPEAKER_00]: And it had some kind of cream and then some kind of green shit dripped into it. [SPEAKER_00]: It was really good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I wouldn't put squashes in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, it was really good. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't who fucking knows, man. [SPEAKER_00]: So you grew up in primarily in Brooklyn? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, primarily, I know, entirely in Brooklyn. [SPEAKER_00]: One to two. [SPEAKER_00]: One to two over there. [SPEAKER_00]: Huh? [SPEAKER_00]: What are you looking at over there? [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking at a fucking, well, it's a timer, but there's a fly flying around.

[SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's pissing off. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that right? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's why I brought these guns. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, you grew up in Brooklyn. [SPEAKER_00]: What was that, like, back in the day? [SPEAKER_02]: It's changed a lot, obviously, but it makes me very, very angry and very, very sad to go back to New York to see all the things that I grew up with and loved.

[SPEAKER_02]: And things that have been there way before me, not just nostalgia, been destroyed as a world of COVID. [SPEAKER_02]: and these policies, and I will never forget these people for it. [SPEAKER_02]: The pizza ria where John Travolta eats at the very beginning of Saturday night feed, which I used to eat at all the time as a kid, just closed last year. [SPEAKER_02]: It's been around since the forties, fifty, I don't even know.

[SPEAKER_02]: So all those old school Brooklyn pizza ria's are closing. [SPEAKER_02]: I think Delmar and Staten Island. [SPEAKER_02]: Excuse me, she said Bay is still around. [SPEAKER_02]: Defaros, whichever one can see is the best. [SPEAKER_02]: The guys got in Seenile and the pizza's burnt now. [SPEAKER_02]: because I went there when it was like an inedible. [SPEAKER_02]: It's really, it's also becoming a losing its identity. [SPEAKER_02]: It's becoming much more mall-like.

[SPEAKER_02]: William'sburg, which was the big hipster neighborhood for many, many years where hipsterism kind of basically started by skim out of there. [SPEAKER_02]: They're just opening up an Ermez store now. [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, if you told me twenty years ago, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, they built that, isn't the new Brooklyn Nat Stadium somewhere nearby? [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: The Nat Stadium is by Atlantic Center. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that works love, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Not Park's love.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but, you know, this was hipster central. [SPEAKER_02]: And you were there wearing vintage clothes and asymmetrical haircuts and maybe people like it, maybe people don't, but it had an identity. [SPEAKER_02]: And now it's just become like an adjunct of, you know, Wall Street Hell. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just, you know, [SPEAKER_00]: Well, some of that's happened here too. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Austin has been South Congress keep lost in weird and South Congress was the primary version of that for a very long time, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Not anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Now it's so ho. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like, well, and it [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't just commercialism. [SPEAKER_00]: It was like, keep tossing weird turned into a political statement. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's never what it was before.

[SPEAKER_00]: Before it was like, do whatever the fuck you want. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We had like a twenty minute conversation with the mechanic about this one time when he was promoting Green Lights a couple of years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: He was like, yeah, that keep tossing weird thing was never about politics. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just like, you know, just come here and be yourself. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And we're all gonna get along.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was a good place to live. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not a bad place to live now, frankly. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not the case. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like a mix between, we always talk about. [SPEAKER_00]: Recently, anyways, horseshoe theory with people on the left and right, but it's mostly about extremism, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like you've come to the same dumbass opinion if you stick around long enough on that horseshoe.

[SPEAKER_00]: But there's something with liberal women and commercialism in horseshoe theory as well, where your fundamental principles that you say you believe in are completely incongruous with this commercialism that you're participating in. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like that's more important to you than a lot of stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Like it's certainly a principle. [SPEAKER_00]: So this stuff happened a lot. [SPEAKER_02]: Have you ever talked about Henderson?

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_02]: So Rob Henderson was like twenty foster homes and then he went to the military and then he ended up at Harvard. [SPEAKER_02]: He had a bit more and he came up with the idea of luxury beliefs.

[SPEAKER_02]: which are believes you have to kind of you know a lot of times I've heard the phrase yeah if you have like a fancy handbag or a fancy like Canadian goose i think is the brand of code it doesn't look expensive but people who know that label now okay you're signifying wealth or right [SPEAKER_02]: You and I wouldn't know these same bags that a woman would know. [SPEAKER_02]: I kept thirty, which was broken, murk-in, something like that. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's like, there's like fifty thousand dollar hell bags. [SPEAKER_02]: But they look normal. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, by the heart for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, but that's the point. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a conspicuous consumption, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So these beliefs go into that vein where it's like something that I won't have to pay the cost of, like, oh, to fund the police. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, I could afford to bodyguard. [SPEAKER_02]: The poor people are getting it screwed.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But I get to look like a good person and you know, exalted my luxury. [SPEAKER_00]: And there must be some relationship between that and not in my backyard out of two. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, it's exactly right. [SPEAKER_00]: And then be yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So interesting. [SPEAKER_02]: So I call them offels, affluent white female liberals. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're really the kind of driver of everything that's horrific in the cities.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not great. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we can talk about leadership and polarity and sexuality and shit like that, but women are not meant to be in charge of things. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's a book called Wyman Rule, have you ever heard of Reddit? [SPEAKER_02]: And the premise, he was originally going to call it, no, he had another name for it originally.

[SPEAKER_02]: And his point was when I was first writing the book, if I called it Wyman Rule, people would think it's why this group of men rule as opposed to that group of men. [SPEAKER_02]: And now he's like, he changed, that was the second tile for the first title. [SPEAKER_02]: And his point is, people understand it's like, why is it that men are rule rulers and not females? [SPEAKER_02]: And he goes, there's never been a matriarchal society.

[SPEAKER_00]: Ever. [SPEAKER_00]: So he goes to even Victorian England was not majoring. [SPEAKER_00]: It's never. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the Baron's ran that country while she was meddling with things behind him. [SPEAKER_02]: So he's like, if something is universal, it's got to be a mutable or something is going on there. [SPEAKER_02]: So, and there's some counter-examples people make up and he breaks them down.

[SPEAKER_02]: Like, listen, if you have like, twelve women are the ones picking the chief. [SPEAKER_02]: The chief is still the one who's the ruler. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, there's nothing. [SPEAKER_02]: The electro college, you and I can't name any members of the electro college. [SPEAKER_02]: We can name members of Congress where the ones make a decision.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's very interesting in that regard that it's humanity is patriarchal by nature and through all time and through all societies. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I don't know if you see on why that's such a, I don't understand why that's such a weird thing for people to get their arms around. [SPEAKER_02]: You do understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know because like you don't, you aren't, you don't spend any amount of your time clamoring publicly that it's not fair that you're the height you are and don't play in the NBA. [SPEAKER_00]: That's true, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's fucking retarded, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And it's not just you, nobody does that. [SPEAKER_00]: There are no shorter people or even people my height that are whining.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can't play in the NBA because they're my height, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you just moved you to live your life, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So what the fuck? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because because of feminism, what do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: I know, but that's stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Like how does that ever? [SPEAKER_00]: It's such a bad idea.

[SPEAKER_00]: right it's such a bad idea how did that take hold so greatly I don't understand how it got so popular not just about well I guess I kind of do in some regards on the back end but the front end you I'm sure you know this a lot of the [SPEAKER_00]: A lot of the political social movements over time have been driven by men trying to take advantage of women's temperance. [SPEAKER_00]: God damn it, I can't remember his name.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was a big Irish gangster in New York back in the day that helped get prohibition installed in the United States, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But his like the one of the main cutouts he was using to do the marketing for it was this women's temperate movement. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: We got to stop drinking. [SPEAKER_00]: And they have to suddenly get. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And then Augustus did the same thing, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: When he took over Rome as after the third triumphant collapse and he took over Leppis goes away and he kills himself. [SPEAKER_00]: He instills this new proper Roman woman. [SPEAKER_00]: This is who you were meant to be. [SPEAKER_00]: And it was mostly the control people. [SPEAKER_00]: It was the key crime down in the shipping ports, because all the prostitution and stuff like that. [SPEAKER_00]: This has happened a lot over time.

[SPEAKER_00]: But this one didn't seem like men pushing at the beginning. [SPEAKER_02]: That's separate? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, feminism in general. [SPEAKER_02]: No, feminism, it was not men pushing it at all. [SPEAKER_02]: It was very much because women had the vote for what, like, forty years at that point. [SPEAKER_02]: And then it's like, okay, now we can make women into like a constituency. [SPEAKER_02]: That wasn't a thing really before.

[SPEAKER_02]: Because more people were married and you kind of got along with your marital similarly. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm voted since your husband. [SPEAKER_02]: But I think it was like Betty Friedan with the feminine mistake. [SPEAKER_02]: It was at sixty-six or sixty-eight where that became a thing where women kind of were encouraged to have their own identity, which is not entirely a bad idea. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, so Abigail Adams is one of my favorite historical characters.

[SPEAKER_00]: John Adams wife. [SPEAKER_00]: Because John Adams was just a petulant little to her. [SPEAKER_00]: He's the worst. [SPEAKER_00]: He's probably one of the worst presence we had. [SPEAKER_00]: Is he doing anything except for like signs and pretty bad legislation and just get rolled over. [SPEAKER_00]: He was weak as shit.

[SPEAKER_02]: I gave a talk of Clemson and one of the professors was like, [SPEAKER_02]: American history was forte and Adams was his favorite founding father and I'm sitting there. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like someone selling me like in our lifetime the best president was George H.W. [SPEAKER_02]: Bush. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I like I can't even wrap my head around how you're gonna get there. [SPEAKER_00]: No John Quincy was a pretty good president.

[SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: But Adams himself apparently Adams was like the first one to argue for a war at his fingerprints ever, but he was a bitch. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he never did. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm a Hamiltonian, so like for me Adams is just like the worst. [SPEAKER_00]: Well Hamilton was pretty rough too. [SPEAKER_00]: Wow. [SPEAKER_00]: No, not at all. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he tried to lead an insurrection against the government.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's Aaron Burr. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Alexander Hamilton tried to get all the generals of the revolutionary army to march on march on Philly on Congress and demand payment. [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, he was going to break up the union and all this shit. [SPEAKER_00]: No, he wasn't. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, absolutely. [SPEAKER_00]: Look this up. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't have to look it up. [SPEAKER_02]: Are you talking about the whiskey rebellion?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no. [SPEAKER_00]: This never happened. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's a letter. [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the, it's never happened. [SPEAKER_00]: It's in the National Archives. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: There's a letter that Hamilton wrote to George Washington that outline, we're going to do this, this, and this, and it never happened. [SPEAKER_00]: Because George Washington is ignored him, which is effectively saying no, I'm not going to support that, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Whoa, wait, so break this down for me. [SPEAKER_02]: I've never heard of this. [SPEAKER_02]: Pull it up. [SPEAKER_02]: I have a piece of the elevator handled with his hair in my house. [SPEAKER_00]: pretty fun. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, you got a lot of weird shit. [SPEAKER_00]: I do. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I don't have time to share with you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to have to find it. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, just paraphrase.

[SPEAKER_02]: So Hamilton writes the Washington he goes, if this convention doesn't go through, we're going to make a coup. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, let's see. [SPEAKER_00]: All right.

[SPEAKER_00]: I want you to stay the cotton or any for a strong central government blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, [SPEAKER_00]: I'll see you discuss the Army's resolutions expressing their expectation that Congress would not just be in the before their accounts were settled in the established.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it was March of seventeen eighty three. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll find the letter later and put it in the comments here so we can look at it. [SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, he's what makes you let me ask you first before we get into what made you such a big fan of Alexander Hamilton. [SPEAKER_02]: He pretty much single-handedly invented America. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean?

[SPEAKER_02]: meaning he's the person who had the vision of this enormously influential powerful country that combines farming and finance and has become a beacon of freedom and hope for people's all over the world. [SPEAKER_02]: So that was his vision. [SPEAKER_02]: If it was Jefferson, we'd all be like Central America. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh yeah, Jefferson is like, well, I mean, [SPEAKER_02]: And he also understood the politics is inherently corrupt.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was the most corrupt person involved in politics. [SPEAKER_00]: He fixed the first two elections. [SPEAKER_00]: We mean. [SPEAKER_02]: First of all, I don't think the elections are legitimate anyway. [SPEAKER_02]: So I don't think you have to fix the election for Washington. [SPEAKER_00]: No, they wanted it to be unanimous. [SPEAKER_00]: The first one, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And that was, there's no way, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's a lot of smoke around that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I guess there's no way to really tell. [SPEAKER_00]: But during the [SPEAKER_00]: during the Adams administration, which was only one term and thankfully, because he was terrible. [SPEAKER_00]: But Adams wouldn't go along with trying to go to war somewhere. [SPEAKER_00]: And Hamilton said, you're either going to do what the Federalist want, or we're going to kick you out. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Why is that weird?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because why should somebody that's not elected have that power? [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's how I don't think that becoming elected means you have more legitimacy than someone who has, I mean, when you rather Elon have power than Biden? [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I would rather somebody that's actually beholden to the electorate and have power.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think politicians are beholden to electorate and certainly at that point they weren't most of the people weren't even voters. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even the people that were eligible to vote most. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: But I don't care about the, like, I care about what's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, and I think politicians are inherently inferior to people who are accomplished on their own and who've made something on their own. [SPEAKER_02]: So why have politics at all then? [SPEAKER_02]: I'm opposed to politics. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: As you know, I'm an anarchist. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: My point is to understand what politics really is. [SPEAKER_02]: It is just a bad power.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I don't, I, I, I, I baffled, [SPEAKER_02]: If I'm understanding correctly, please, Secretary Frank, I'm wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think Greg Abbott deserves particularly more respect than you. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, no, not necessarily, but this is the system of government we have. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it not? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's a system of government that exists, but I don't who cares. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't understand your point.

[SPEAKER_00]: My point is that [SPEAKER_00]: in the system of government that we have that you say Alexander Hamilton was so instrumental in developing, right? [SPEAKER_00]: This is the way it's meant to work. [SPEAKER_00]: These people, we're supposed to elect these people and they ask us permission to lead and then we give them permission to do so and then they're supposed to do what we've asked them to do and if they don't, our recourse is to vote again.

[SPEAKER_02]: Well, suppose there's a blue pill term, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: So, sure, even within that model, that doesn't mean that this person who has been elected [SPEAKER_02]: Is it any sense? [SPEAKER_02]: What's a reveal? [SPEAKER_00]: I'm provoking you. [SPEAKER_00]: So this is the provocation. [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I like I like hearing you talk about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a good the reason I brought this up is because I want to segue into Anarchism because I think nobody understands it. [SPEAKER_00]: People here at anything Mad Max or Somalia right and neither one of those are true that's not at all what the actual belief system is. [SPEAKER_00]: So [SPEAKER_00]: What does it mean exactly from your perspective? [SPEAKER_00]: I think we'll lose a little bit of it through there.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, yeah, these systems exist, but... [SPEAKER_00]: come on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like, come on. [SPEAKER_02]: That's bullshit. [SPEAKER_02]: Here's here's a, he says we have people wrapped their heads around it, which is, you know, there's that line about everyone's an atheist of one exception. [SPEAKER_01]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you and I went to another country and, you know, we want to have a drink and it's illegal there.

[SPEAKER_02]: We go to a party and they're like, hey, you know, help yourself to whatever's in the fridge and there's some beers there. [SPEAKER_02]: We might wonder, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: What did the likelihood of us getting arrested? [SPEAKER_02]: Are we going to get deported? [SPEAKER_02]: All this other stuff. [SPEAKER_02]: It's never going to enter a head. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, the government here said it's illegal, so this is wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a thought. [SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's about consequences. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's the same application to every government. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just the belief that state authorities inherently legitimate. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you pay taxes? [SPEAKER_00]: Of course. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason that you do that is not because you think state authorities legitimate is because you just don't want to go to prison.

[SPEAKER_00]: Of course, it's just what most people probably believe. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I don't think anybody sits around dreaming about state authority except for maybe white liberal women. [SPEAKER_02]: I do think that most people, including most conservatives, think the government does have a right to text you. [SPEAKER_00]: That's a, that is a, uh, not from you, but that's a strong belief to have. [SPEAKER_00]: But they think an odd one.

[SPEAKER_02]: They think that I think people would say if, if you ask me right now, um, is it wrong to completely, uh, not paying context? [SPEAKER_02]: They would say yes. [SPEAKER_02]: even conservatives. [SPEAKER_02]: Wrong, like morally wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: morally wrong. [SPEAKER_00]: They would say that boy. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the, everybody's fair share is zero. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, like nobody's entitled to your labor. [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing. [SPEAKER_00]: And nothing is a human right. [SPEAKER_00]: They require somebody else's labor. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Amen. [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: The dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not dumb. [SPEAKER_02]: It's, you know, I mean, it's incorrect. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's dumb. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's dumb.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's an, that's a dumb incorrect belief to have. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you think there are incorrect ideas that are, are smart? [SPEAKER_00]: I think there are incorrect ideas that you could steal man. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: You could steal man. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't steal man this one. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I can. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think no. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that institutional authority like that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess you could steal man if you just assume that person is weak and afraid. [SPEAKER_00]: Because that's to me, that's what it is. [SPEAKER_00]: You're weak enough. [SPEAKER_00]: You don't have the core belief that you can take care of yourself. [SPEAKER_00]: I think you depend on some other institution to take care of you and you're willing to abide by their rules as a result of that.

[SPEAKER_02]: But it's also the idea that, like, look, I don't want to see people starving in the street. [SPEAKER_02]: So everyone has to chip in to make sure that they have shelters and things like that. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: We have churches for that. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, actually. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: But that's the argument. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: It's given.

[SPEAKER_00]: Is there a legitimate thing as a [SPEAKER_00]: as an authoritative hierarchy. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean authoritative? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean government. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, there's such a thing as legitimate government. [SPEAKER_02]: There's legitimate hierarchy, but there's no such thing as legitimate government. [SPEAKER_00]: Explain the difference. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, if you and I and a bunch of people were playing did stand up, the professional would be at the top.

[SPEAKER_02]: You and I would be maybe the middle, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: The point is, hierarchies inevitable and it happens in every circumstance. [SPEAKER_02]: I remember the term pecking water comes from birds. [SPEAKER_02]: I had an aquarium when I was in Brooklyn, and it turned out I'd fished from like every ocean, just go instantly.

[SPEAKER_02]: So the only place on Earth, these fish were in the same tank, where in my house, [SPEAKER_02]: And they had it right away between them, they figured out who gets the food first, who's to them, you know, they communicate. [SPEAKER_02]: So this concept that equality is possible and or desirable is not desirable. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's possible through authoritarianism, but it's not.

[SPEAKER_00]: If there's authoritarianism, you have inequality, you have the guy that's up, you know, so it's binary at the very least. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think hierarchy always necessarily confers authority, though, right? [SPEAKER_00]: There are people who are excellent at something that aren't at the top of that field or that aren't for one reason or another. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: They're still going to be somebody's at the top, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, somebody is, but it's not because of talent or whatever, so I guess the problem I have with it is what determines the hierarchy, because it's not just one thing, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know that I know you were giving, that's a kind of a reductive example to comedy thing, because there's so many other factors in it. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's like friends with a person that runs the comedy club might be part of it as well.

[SPEAKER_02]: It also drives me crazy when people describe like Darwinism as survival of the fittest and they mean all the strongest person always wins. [SPEAKER_02]: Like no, look how many ants there are. [SPEAKER_02]: Like a many Microsoft, you know, unicellular organism or fittest doesn't mean strongest. [SPEAKER_02]: It means best fitted for that context. [SPEAKER_02]: So politically it might not be the person who's the smartest most company.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's just someone who's good at getting votes. [SPEAKER_02]: That's what the fittest is in that context. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's who wins those hierarchies. [SPEAKER_02]: It's the sociopaths. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well, certainly, but to some degree that's our fault too, right, because we're the ones that make the rules of the game. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no, who's we? [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't make any rules of this game. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't sign shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: You make a rule every time you accept somebody else's behavior. [SPEAKER_02]: No, I mean, I don't think it's legit. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think rules ban it a coercion or legitimate. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you can say it's not legitimate, but it exists. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, but that's something, I mean, again, something exists is something being legitimate the same thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, so like, you don't think taxation is legitimate, but you participate in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: So you have created a rule with your compliance. [SPEAKER_00]: I have accepted a rule with my compliance. [SPEAKER_00]: That's splitting here, to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't see that there. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I think this hair needs splitting. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, split it then. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: You don't understand, you don't see the difference between creating something and accepting something?

[SPEAKER_00]: I, there's clearly a difference, but functionally speaking, there's not a difference. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a big difference. [SPEAKER_02]: And here's one example right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I walked in here. [SPEAKER_02]: You're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're, you're sitting there, I'm sitting here. [SPEAKER_02]: I didn't create anything.

[SPEAKER_02]: I've accepted something structure that has been, I, now I can leave at any time where I can argue through, but I don't want to have that standing on the desk or blah, blah, blah, and you could say, fuck outta here, you could say, okay, no problem. [SPEAKER_02]: But the point is, I'm walking into a system that has been pre-created. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not creating it. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, the implication is neither you're creating it, but you're sustaining it with your effort.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's true. [SPEAKER_00]: So what's the difference? [SPEAKER_02]: What's the difference between creating and sustaining? [SPEAKER_02]: Because when I leave, this is still going to be your space. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's a big difference between if I created something, and it's my space. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't understand the point of that, though.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because we're not talking about a desk, we're talking about the system of government that we are all going to live our entire lives under. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think we're all going to live our entire lives under it at all. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think, well, we can get to that later. [SPEAKER_02]: I also think that there's a thing about branding, right? [SPEAKER_02]: When in the eighties, there's something called New Coke.

[SPEAKER_02]: They basically just changed the formula of Coke. [SPEAKER_02]: It was one of the biggest disasters. [SPEAKER_02]: They changed formula of Coke entirely, but they slapped the label Coke on it. [SPEAKER_02]: The government that happened in federal government after eighteen sixty-five is not the same federal government as seventeen eighty-nine. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's not the same. [SPEAKER_00]: After nineteen thirteen, it's not the same.

[SPEAKER_00]: After nineteen thirty-three, it's not the same. [SPEAKER_02]: Right, so right. [SPEAKER_02]: But people can't wrap their heads around it because it's in Washington, the same building, it's called the federal government. [SPEAKER_02]: So for you, for when you say, we're all going to be living on this system forever. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it's true. [SPEAKER_00]: When's the last thing you think it changed significantly?

[SPEAKER_00]: Because for me, it would have been in two thousand one with the whole insecurity. [SPEAKER_00]: Patriot Act? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a big run. [SPEAKER_00]: That was the largest expansion of the federal government history and Republicans did that. [SPEAKER_02]: How is it the largest in history?

[SPEAKER_00]: uh... hundred eighty or no i'm sorry hundred sixty five thousand new federal jobs were created uh... the department of home security authorization and how much did i but how would you compare that to fd r though that was huge uh... maybe maybe spending per capita changed then but like federal permanent federal jobs what i'm talking about right uh... the largest expansion of federal government ever and then obama added i think another seventy thousand in his term so this is one of the things i run into a lot with people talking about trump

[SPEAKER_00]: This big beautiful thing that he did adds tens of thousands of new federal permanent federal employees to deal with an immigration problem, which is temporary, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, we're going to certainly we're going to figure it out at some point or not, but it's not going to be [SPEAKER_00]: We're not going to have the need for mass deportations permanently. [SPEAKER_00]: We're either going to do it or not, and they're going to stay.

[SPEAKER_00]: It'll be one of those two things, but we've created tens of thousands of new jobs that will be permanent now. [SPEAKER_00]: If the idea, the people tell me the next Democratic administration will just cut those jobs. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, you just tell me a Democrat is going to cut federal jobs. [SPEAKER_00]: No, man. [SPEAKER_02]: It's fascinating. [SPEAKER_02]: You see that.

[SPEAKER_02]: So I talk about this in my book, then you write much of times, people don't know, was the fight polio. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why FDR is on the dime, because yeah, because he had polio. [SPEAKER_02]: Nobody fucking knows that. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So give dime and eventually polio was cured. [SPEAKER_02]: It's wonderful. [SPEAKER_02]: Now you had this huge organization, which is great, amazing money and the great at solving medical problems.

[SPEAKER_02]: You think they clap, pet themselves in the back of like, all right, polio is cured. [SPEAKER_02]: Going home. [SPEAKER_02]: No, they just turned pivoted to other things. [SPEAKER_02]: So these ten thousand eight agents that Trump hired, yeah, you're right. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe they're not going to do mass presentations, but maybe they're going to do something. [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to round up people aren't vaccinated or they're going to figure something out.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is ridiculous. [SPEAKER_02]: They're going to have a union too. [SPEAKER_00]: This is why if somebody refers to themselves, you say the new right your book is great to touch on all this stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: There is no right. [SPEAKER_00]: any longer. [SPEAKER_00]: There are people that call themselves that, but unless your political principles are founded in decentralization and individual liberty, then you are not.

[SPEAKER_00]: You can call yourself whatever you want, but we just don't do that anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: It comes up a lot because these days, one of the ways that Neocons and others get out of some stupid shit they've done is to refer to themselves as a Reagan Republican. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, so not a Republican, that is what you're saying. [SPEAKER_02]: No, they're the real Republicans, you're not. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, fair enough.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: The real Republican is increasing the size of the government. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And they have been for my entire life. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's just also fascinating with people like, oh, well, it's not their fault. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's Democrats in Congress. [SPEAKER_02]: And like, so you're the only condition you have to cut government spending is a democratic party.

[SPEAKER_02]: The oldest political party exists. [SPEAKER_02]: Caesar's to get it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's your win commission. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: And to your other point that you were just making about the March of Dimes, this happens all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: These [SPEAKER_00]: organizations that are created to solve a problem, become an industry. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Breast cancer. [SPEAKER_00]: What the fuck?

[SPEAKER_00]: How many AIDS organizations? [SPEAKER_00]: AIDS, feminism itself. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Second, third and fourth wave feminism. [SPEAKER_00]: And it's, this is where people ask for a time how did all this trans bullshit come about. [SPEAKER_00]: It's because the gay thing got solved. [SPEAKER_00]: And all those people needed something to do. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, you know what you should do? [SPEAKER_00]: We should cut kids, dick's off. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like, oh my God. [SPEAKER_00]: I was living in Oakland and working at San Francisco when [SPEAKER_00]: The Supreme Court then came down on gay marriage and I was like, oh, that's cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Good for them. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the government should be involved in this shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Why the fuck would that be illegal? [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird. [SPEAKER_00]: That the government even care what to be doing the privacy they're own home.

[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden men and women's clothing started showing up to meetings and look, sorry. [SPEAKER_00]: What seriously is that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Between twenty eleven and twenty twelve I started seeing them and like what what is

[SPEAKER_00]: the fuck right going on here right but it's they're pick me's right they like their entire identity is centered around the attention that they get yes and they stop getting attention being gay was it enough anyway right and even people I knew that weren't not my friends but my ex's friend at the time um... dudes who are married like oh I think it might be done binary now no no I swear to god [SPEAKER_00]: It's where they got two of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: Two of them, both in Wisconsin actually. [SPEAKER_00]: And they just started transitioning and you could see the look on their wives' faces. [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh yeah, so it's the same look you see when somebody takes a bite of kale. [SPEAKER_00]: They're pretending to enjoy, but you know they hate their life in that moment. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's this clip I talk about all the time where I can't eat in journalists, went back to North Korea.

[SPEAKER_02]: And he's standing outside the, there's an ostrich ranch outside Pyongyang because the idea was more meat and ostriches than look at the people. [SPEAKER_02]: So there's always two guides, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So it's him, the ostrich and male guy in a female guide. [SPEAKER_02]: And the Canadian journalist goes, last time I was here, I talked to you about Gaze and lesbian, you guys like, yeah, yeah, and he goes, one of my sexuals and this North Korean goes, what?

[SPEAKER_02]: And I mean, I can understand, I could wrap my head around and assure the wife's can. [SPEAKER_02]: If the guy comes home and it's like, I think I'm trans, but if he's like, I think I'm non-binary, it's like, what does that fucking mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you do. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, you want to wear makeup sometimes? [SPEAKER_00]: What's the utility here? [SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole point though, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: You have to commit.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost, do you not ask them what they mean by this? [SPEAKER_00]: I just kind of like left because that's retarded. [SPEAKER_00]: I can't coexist at a place where people are that stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: What does that even mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's a function of, it's like if you dance told me and I bet you this is really true, there are some abosongs that you like, that in no way means you're not fully a man.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I know any of us. [SPEAKER_02]: You do that. [SPEAKER_02]: You know them not by name. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm positive. [SPEAKER_02]: You can't not have maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's they they sold like a billion right and the records are you hear them everywhere. [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like Mama Mia right so any of those songs. [SPEAKER_00]: I haven't seen Mama Mia, but I've seen clips right. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but if you want to wear you're still a dude. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, do the dresses of dude. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, so I'll go on a failure. [SPEAKER_00]: It was never considered to be a trans thing. [SPEAKER_00]: It was just dudes who got sexual thrills from dress-up like women, right? [SPEAKER_02]: So you're not, so this is, you're not allowed to talk about this whole thing. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't give a fuck.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying you, are you on this spectrum? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't mean you literally, I meant one. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not allowed to talk about this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You're not allowed to talk about FBI crime data either. [SPEAKER_00]: The HGP's even worse, because that's really, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I think that whole attitude is a function of postmodernism where they want to erase any kind of objective. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, and identity. [SPEAKER_00]: That's it. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's everything comes down to identity and you choose your own identity. [SPEAKER_00]: And I, which is like, that's it. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the, there's no possibility. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I like, I like to steal many things too. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no possibility for a meritocracy at all in that environment. [SPEAKER_00]: I, you know what I think.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like children with fake laser guns. [SPEAKER_00]: I got you. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I got you. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, all right. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm just gonna kill myself. [SPEAKER_00]: This is stupid. [SPEAKER_02]: Can I tell the laser gunster because this is happening last year? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: My birthday is in July. [SPEAKER_02]: So I never had birthday parties at school. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a shout out to all the summer birthday kids.

[SPEAKER_02]: When's your birthday? [SPEAKER_02]: I'd like to have a birthday. [SPEAKER_02]: Thank you so much sir. [SPEAKER_02]: So I spent my summer's upstate in the Catskills and my birthday comes around I think it's my tenth and there's no little toy stores even there. [SPEAKER_02]: I went to Monticello, which is a little town and we went to this like one street, one strip.

[SPEAKER_02]: I went to the video game store and like that was my choice for my birthday and it's the kind of shit where you could buy with all those tickets. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like just the shitiest shit ever and the best I had was like this laser gun and I knew enough as a kid to be like, oh, yeah, this is great because I felt bad for my family because this is the best they could get for me and I just got that same gun on eBay.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, oh, I bought this fucking gun so much weird. [SPEAKER_02]: I know, but I look at that gun like this is my like most sad birthday ever. [SPEAKER_02]: Um, but yeah, I think you know what else I think ties into this video games. [SPEAKER_02]: What we're going. [SPEAKER_02]: Because when you're playing an RPG, you can be a warrior, you can be a magic user, you can be a boy, you can be a girl, you can be an orc.

[SPEAKER_02]: And I think so much of our lives is increasingly spent online. [SPEAKER_02]: It's very easy to kind of have a disconnect. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it'll have the steps a lot of people between their identity and their body. [SPEAKER_00]: Escapeism is turned into identity something. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, don't you think? [SPEAKER_00]: It's very weird. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, I think on the internet, no one knows I'm a dog that meme. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and I think there's been, with social media especially like usually you would have, like if you and I work together in the nineteen fifties, you would know three things about me. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: You would know what that was married because of my ring. [SPEAKER_00]: You would know that I had kids because of the pictures on my desk and you might know that I liked this team or that team or this event or that event and that would be pretty much it.

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Now I need to tell you everything. [SPEAKER_00]: I have to put it on the internet, so everybody can fucking see it. [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_00]: I promise you, folks, you can do things and not tell people. [SPEAKER_00]: I do it all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: Just go to the fucking store or the beach or something, enjoy your day and don't even tell anybody about it.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously with your family or whatever you're doing, but you don't have to post pictures every time you do something. [SPEAKER_00]: But we are compelled at this point to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: And to me that is [SPEAKER_00]: That's frightening, because it's one thing to be looking in the mirror all the time. [SPEAKER_00]: It's another thing to look in the mirror all the time through the lens of other people's eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's fucking a stop.

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[SPEAKER_00]: Like you either become addicted to the attention or you become depressed for the lack of it or the bad attention. [SPEAKER_02]: And you're the only two ways to write and your entire self-esteem is outsourced to the algorithm. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think all of this again. [SPEAKER_00]: is to some degree of function of Marxism and postmodernism, the erosion of the individual identity that exists inside you.

[SPEAKER_00]: Not the identity that you project everybody, that you feel the need to, but me, Dan, here's a list of shit that I can do for sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And here are a list of character principles that I can hold dear. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to be a good man. [SPEAKER_00]: It's important to me. [SPEAKER_00]: I want to help people that's important to me. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not how we define ourselves anymore.

[SPEAKER_00]: But right here, I don't like this word we, because this [SPEAKER_02]: brings up my concept that I play around with. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think many people have an identity. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, yeah, there's a lot of NPCs around around. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what percentage it is. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's terrifyingly big. [SPEAKER_00]: Have you read the simulation hypothesis by Rizwon Burke?

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm getting you for your birthday. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: It's a laid, but you don't have to do it. [SPEAKER_00]: You didn't tell me your fucking birthday asshole sits on me. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I don't put everything on the internet, Dan. [SPEAKER_02]: And my birthday is a little bit defeated. [SPEAKER_00]: That was my choice.

[SPEAKER_00]: So he's a [SPEAKER_00]: computer programmer video game designer, AI guy, he's a MIT Stanford and I think he teaches courses at Arizona State now on video games, which is kind of weird. [SPEAKER_00]: that if you were to put three universities together and you had MIT and Stanford, right, you would not consider adding error to the states. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the third right there. [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, it's like inviting Gary to your fucking business.

[SPEAKER_00]: I love Gary. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I do too, but I'm not bringing him to my fucking white collar business. [SPEAKER_02]: Why, he's a good, he'd be a good foil. [SPEAKER_00]: He would, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, that's Gary. [SPEAKER_00]: He has a purpose. [SPEAKER_00]: He's on meth. [SPEAKER_00]: Don't worry about him.

[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, it's the book is like, [SPEAKER_00]: really goes through the ends and outs of what it might seem like if we're in a simulation, how many NPCs we might be, we might see what deja vu is, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And he kind of compares the things that we experience in life to how a computer experience this thing is a big generated simulation. [SPEAKER_00]: And he says he thinks there's like seventy to eighty percent chance when a simulation.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think we're in a three-D projection or down grid, whatever the opposite of projection is in the forty world. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think... Well, that's string theory predicts that. [SPEAKER_00]: And then fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth all the way at the tenth. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, my point being that I think some people don't exist in the forty space. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, yes, so the Japanese would say they don't have souls. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, whatever you want it.

[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this is something that's very interesting to me. [SPEAKER_00]: When you see the same principle articulated differently, right, in different cultures, religion is a good way to see that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the golden rule exists in pretty much every religion that's ever happened. [SPEAKER_00]: In places that could not have possibly communicated with another time. [SPEAKER_00]: That goes back to your other point.

[SPEAKER_00]: If something is that widespread, there's probably some universal truth to it. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: We may not be aware of what the actual truth part of it is, but there's something going on.

[SPEAKER_00]: So this is the [SPEAKER_00]: the problem that I have because I my personal opinion and I grew with you that the federal papers Madison and Hamilton pretty smart dudes I enjoyed quite a few of those John Jay as well pretty smart guy we are [SPEAKER_00]: When I say we, I mean the United States, the purpose for all this was to, the purpose was that when the state is large, the individual small. [SPEAKER_00]: And we wanted to try to do something about that.

[SPEAKER_00]: We, as American, as the founders, I guess I'm not one of them, but they wanted to set up the conditions where the individual would be. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that there's a system of government that can ever accomplish that. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's dependent in the same way that nuclear fusion and gravity balance out a star that's why it stays together.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think there is a relationship between effort and outcome. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but the problem is that it seems like the bulk of us [SPEAKER_00]: aren't capable or interested or interested in this. [SPEAKER_02]: So any system that is going to be contingent on a majority of people seeking freedom as their highest value is doomed, you will never have that as a condition of any, unless it's a self-selecting population.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but how do you, I mean, you know, that's another problem. [SPEAKER_00]: So let's go back a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: What is [SPEAKER_00]: Because I believe in this, I believe in anarchism in so far as I don't respect government authority. [SPEAKER_00]: Great. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's anarchism. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's really to me the fundamental of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: That is the fundamental.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I also, and I'm not putting, I'm not judging you. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm saying that you, I think you probably agree with us that there's a responsibility required of people who are actually awake. [SPEAKER_00]: to behave in such a way that maintains that, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what you mean by risk. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't like that word responsibility.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, if I want to live in a certain kind of world, I'm responsible for helping to create or maintain that kind of world. [SPEAKER_00]: Otherwise, I don't have a right to bitch about it's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know that I would agree with that. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe I'm studying here as well, but I do think that every to be a man or maybe just to be human being is to impose your will in the world and create it, move it towards the direction you would like it to be.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, in the physical world, that's very lock of you, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you apply your labor to the earth and you extract well. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know how to be physically. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, like, I know, but like, it's a, it's a parallel. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's what it means to be a man is the kind of being like, this is what I believe and I'm going to fight for my values and implement my values into reality.

[SPEAKER_00]: So what, what is a functioning and our society look like and practice then, right? [SPEAKER_00]: This. [SPEAKER_00]: So the reason I want to ask this question is because I think this is true of libertarianism and a couple of other ideologies as well. [SPEAKER_00]: They aren't meant to be the fundamental baseline of government. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no government. [SPEAKER_00]: I know, wow, I mean, there is though exist.

[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just saying like that these are meant to be personal attitudes that help you influence the world and the way that you want to influence it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: And depending on which [SPEAKER_00]: Depending on which mathematical formula I guess you like on this subject, I'm not a big fan of the Nash equilibrium theory where we should work together for the best possible. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't believe that that's a bunch of communist nonsense. [SPEAKER_00]: That's correct.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Amen. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So if there is indeed, this is my premise. [SPEAKER_00]: If there's indeed universal principles underlying things that are widespread like that, and I believe that there are, then everybody acting [SPEAKER_00]: in good faith, but in their own best interest, is going to produce the best possible results. [SPEAKER_00]: But you don't need everybody.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, I mean, you know, everybody that's capable is what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: But you don't need everybody. [SPEAKER_02]: There's going to be always some murderers or sociopaths or bad peace. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm problems. [SPEAKER_00]: The critical mass then, maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: There's probably some limit that needs to be.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's the perfect way of putting a critical mass. [SPEAKER_02]: That's exactly correct. [SPEAKER_00]: So I think if that amount of people are going for the best possible outcomes for themselves, that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Then we will have enough agreement in those universal principles for things to work out. [SPEAKER_02]: And also the disagreeing will be resolved easily and peaceably.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, this, that's the biggest part, I think, because the, and this is what, [SPEAKER_00]: The people give Hamilton a lot of shit for this to about central federal authority, but he also created the system of government federalism where it's like, if we can solve things here, if we can agree here, then we'll solve it here. [SPEAKER_00]: If we can't, we'll solve it down here. [SPEAKER_00]: If we can't, we'll solve it down here. [SPEAKER_00]: And if we can't, back to the individual.

[SPEAKER_00]: That was the whole point of federalism, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: But the problem with the government is, [SPEAKER_02]: Minority of people are always gonna be unhappy which makes no sense because if you look at any other industry any other field you listen to every music you like I look at whatever music I like I don't know what bands you like but I do know that if you go to a concert everyone you enjoy even maybe that concert would be held for me, so you could have whatever political views you have I have mine if I'm not imposed on them on you.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't care [SPEAKER_02]: And the problem is, if force is everyone to have to care, and if force is everyone to make these bucket choices between, I have to pick this. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like saying, I'm going to pick the same person, be my lawyer, my dentist, my maid, and my mechanic, because I have to pick the same person for economics, foreign policy, so on and so forth. [SPEAKER_02]: It makes absolutely no sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: And there are only reason people think it's great, or it's like, well, what other options do we have? [SPEAKER_02]: And people do not know how to check a system at the fundamentals. [SPEAKER_02]: They just look at it and think they can only think it with it. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's weird that we have [SPEAKER_00]: I think our system of government is a little bit weird. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean weird? [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like that word. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, one, we've changed the way that we hire senators. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that word we. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, the country we live in. [SPEAKER_00]: So you're trying to state to change the way that it, like the constitution of senators, right? [SPEAKER_00]: It was the state legislature's governor would decide and now it's the voters. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not how it was supposed to be, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's odd that if you look at the [SPEAKER_00]: professions of most politicians, lawyers, the most common. [SPEAKER_02]: Correct. [SPEAKER_00]: And certainly to some degree their job is to make law. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's entirely their job. [SPEAKER_00]: But, you know, it's not though, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: So if you're a business attorney and I have a great one by the way, when it comes to the execution of business plans, he doesn't do any of that. [SPEAKER_00]: He makes the contract. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: we are we have a huge gap in institutional knowledge right now and it's being filled by paid lobbyists right which are just trying to influence things correct that is what it is I guess it's going to happen no matter what I people say we should all all lobbyists and I think there are a bunch of constant beyond us for the most part but it's going to happen one way or another no matter what so I don't know what you could really do about it will always be the case that bill gates can get any center in the film best of you I can

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but what we're missing, I think, is a true expert class that informs good decisions. [SPEAKER_00]: Now, people posit different kinds of solutions that like, we should elect more trust the experts Dan Holloway. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We've all heard him. [SPEAKER_00]: We should elect more scientists. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, have you met one? [SPEAKER_00]: Because most of them can't have this fucking conversation.

[SPEAKER_00]: They can give a lecture or they can do math. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: They can't have this conversation. [SPEAKER_00]: And, you know, a big part of that job is communicating. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: So I don't know how you fold in the expert class. [SPEAKER_00]: You can't, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Because the mechanism itself is going to weed out the people you want. [SPEAKER_02]: And here's another reason.

[SPEAKER_02]: This is why venture capitalists make so much money because if you and I are sitting here and there's a hundred people and we have to pick out which is the one who actually has something figured out. [SPEAKER_02]: It's going to be very hard, because a lot of people are going to make a good case.

[SPEAKER_02]: So April IRI, you can't figure out who's going to be the one who's right, or if you are able to do that, you have a very good skill and help you make a lot of money by investing correctly in that person. [SPEAKER_02]: This is why you want as much freedom to enter a market as possible. [SPEAKER_02]: If I start a business and I know what I'm doing, the cost is mine, but if I succeed, everyone benefits it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, disproportionately, but now everyone has a new app and you product and you whatever, so and so forth. [SPEAKER_02]: If you have a [SPEAKER_02]: government or voters trying to pick and choose. [SPEAKER_02]: So I always say that democracy is people who run businesses well, being forced to run businesses poorly, but people who can't run businesses at all. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's exactly what it is.

[SPEAKER_02]: The idea that I would sit here and have no idea about your industry and I'm in a position to tell you how much you have to pay your employees is psychotic. [SPEAKER_02]: But people just kind of take it as, well, there's a lot of us having this opinion so therefore it's valid makes no sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is the the best possible argument for decentralization that exists. [SPEAKER_00]: Is it sure there's a lot of them, but yeah, to me that's the fundamental one though.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's like [SPEAKER_00]: the collective will of people is what chooses winners typically right right and if you interfere with that process things get fucked right every single time in every single time and it's like so and they have no consequences for making the wrong decision right yeah so if you like I understand that [SPEAKER_00]: people desire fairness in life. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's unreasonable, but I understand it, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't understand.

[SPEAKER_02]: Can I tell you why I don't understand it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: She was a professor of my college, a business professor, and he had a big whiteboard, and he wrote a one side. [SPEAKER_02]: He said, fair, he wrote one side, and unfair to the other side. [SPEAKER_02]: People, it goes, give me words. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay, this, he put it on each side. [SPEAKER_02]: And they crossed that fair and unfair and wrote, I like it. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't like it.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't think the term fairness has any real coherent meaning. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, probably not. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, here's one. [SPEAKER_00]: This is, I brought this up a couple of times in the show where you say I like to get your thoughts on this. [SPEAKER_00]: So when I talk to everybody because I'm very interested in the way people think. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that back to, you know, we mentioned it a couple of times.

[SPEAKER_00]: They're underlying principles that people actually believe in, but they don't know that. [SPEAKER_00]: Correct. [SPEAKER_00]: They've stacked bad beliefs on top. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: Exactly. [SPEAKER_00]: So healthcare has wouldn't been one of the most contentious debates for the last forty years in this country. [SPEAKER_00]: And a person that leans left will say, I think we should have free health care.

[SPEAKER_00]: And my brain alarm bells, like there's no such thing as free water, but I'll skip that for now and take them. [SPEAKER_00]: Let me try to because they may not know. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to try to fucking work my way down to the root principle that they believe in. [SPEAKER_00]: And typically what I find is that this is the statement that I've come up with to describe that position.

[SPEAKER_00]: and the richest country in the history of the world it may be unethical that you can only be as healthy as you get afford to be sure right like we should help each other as human beings that's why we built civilization in the first place right like the word we but that's that's the reason we built walls in the first place to keep the bears out and now white women go back into the woods with the bears I guess so

[SPEAKER_00]: When I hear that person say the stupid thing, and I can reduce it back to this actual principle, I can be like, well, I think what you mean is this. [SPEAKER_00]: And they're like, yeah, that's exactly what I mean. [SPEAKER_00]: That's not stupid though. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm like, that is not stupid at all. [SPEAKER_00]: What you've just said is something that I think almost everybody would agree with. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: The problem is, how do we solve that problem?

[SPEAKER_00]: without violating our other principles. [SPEAKER_00]: You're only, you're focused on one thing, one principle that has bad ideas stacked on top of it. [SPEAKER_00]: Move that shit out of the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Look at this one thing. [SPEAKER_00]: This has to be true for us. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: We have to do this because it's important. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's our civilization. [SPEAKER_00]: So how do we do it without violating these other laws?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a very important conversation that we need to have. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: When government steps in, they choose winners and losers. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: And it doesn't fucking work. [SPEAKER_00]: And when I say government, I don't just mean Congress or your state legislature. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, fifty people deciding some bullshit because they want it to be that way. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the exact fallacy.

[SPEAKER_00]: They want it to be that way, but it doesn't exist in that reality. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's also huge dichotomy because governments, there's huge pressure to spend less. [SPEAKER_02]: Whereas in a free market, there's huge pressure to spend more, because the more I spend the more profit I make. [SPEAKER_02]: So very quickly, that person who is racking up the medical costs is going to be a problem for that politician who's going to look at your budget's getting out of control.

[SPEAKER_02]: What that budget means is people who are a debt store or people who have cancer or so on and so forth. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's why you have things like made being, what is it called, made in Canada? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I don't even know when they're starting it now. [SPEAKER_02]: It could be because it's a great way to save money. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, originally started in Oregon, I believe, with the existence of our not-consensuals of name, Kavorkian.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, there's a book called Final X. Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, he was Michigan or Minnesota. [SPEAKER_00]: Was it Michigan? [SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was in Oregon. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm just nine percent sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he might have been in Midwest, Jack Kavorkian. [SPEAKER_00]: Remember his name? [SPEAKER_00]: Kavorkian. [SPEAKER_02]: Because there are people out now he was a doctor.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was born in Michigan. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, Roy O'owk. [SPEAKER_02]: He was helping people commit physician-assisted suicide. [SPEAKER_00]: That's their right. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I hear you. [SPEAKER_02]: Everyone learned in the last twenty years that it's not a slippery slope. [SPEAKER_02]: It's an elevator shaft. [SPEAKER_02]: And we went overnight. [SPEAKER_02]: from, you know what, gay kids shouldn't be bullied till they're suicidal in the school.

[SPEAKER_02]: So we're gonna show porn to kids. [SPEAKER_02]: And it's like, like overnight. [SPEAKER_02]: So the same thing that's like, you know what, we can maybe agree that if someone has terminal illness, they're in constant pain, you should put them out of their misery. [SPEAKER_02]: Tomorrow, it's gonna be, oh, this kid has low self esteem. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's put him out of his misery. [SPEAKER_02]: It's gonna be overnight and it's terrifying.

[SPEAKER_02]: And it's happening right now in Europe, they're encouraging teenagers with depression to go through this. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, I'm sorry, like, that is murder. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Canada, they're reaching out to veterans, like part of the, the veteran health care system up there is like, hey, you have it a bad day. [SPEAKER_00]: How about your killer self? [SPEAKER_00]: That's like, all right, I thought we were going in the opposite direction.

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's wild. [SPEAKER_02]: And I don't think it's wild at all. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's, it's what you should expect. [SPEAKER_00]: People are fucking idiots or they just have no soul or whatever you want to call it. [SPEAKER_02]: That's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: To you, back to that point too. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm still fucked up. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: our mine account, uh, Kansas is for in Kelsey talks about the show.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't care. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I also really bothers me because there's less outrage over this than usually the wrong pronouns. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, which is like, I mean, you can go to jail in Canada. [SPEAKER_00]: What is it, uh, C-C-C-C or whatever? [SPEAKER_00]: That bill. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what Jordan Peterson became famous. [SPEAKER_00]: It's right.

[SPEAKER_00]: Rejecting or whatever. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, back to the, uh, uh, uh, public private thing. [SPEAKER_00]: So snap benefits. [SPEAKER_00]: plus Medicare costs us like two and a half billion or trillion dollars a year with a T. Two and a trillion combined. [SPEAKER_00]: It's our largest expenditure. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like wealthier shit. [SPEAKER_00]: Whereas if a private company built micro farms all over the country, [SPEAKER_00]: and was profiting off of them.

[SPEAKER_00]: And you would, because it is a variable price model, but you don't do freight. [SPEAKER_00]: There's no freight because there's seeds. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: There's no freight and it's local. [SPEAKER_00]: The production happens there and gets distributed there. [SPEAKER_00]: You can make a fuck ton of money doing that if somebody invested in it.

[SPEAKER_00]: And it would knock out the idea of food desert would not be a thing anymore, because there would be no distance. [SPEAKER_02]: The food deserts I think is a crime. [SPEAKER_00]: That's sure, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, well, because a crime is allowed to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: Right, mostly, but yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But the, the, okay, so I go through deserts because this is really a trigger of mine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, get one second. [SPEAKER_00]: To your, to your point.

[SPEAKER_00]: Now a private company or some number of companies is making money. [SPEAKER_00]: And instead of having to have conversations as to your point about cutting back on that, they're looking to grow more food. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, of course. [SPEAKER_00]: So the underlying ideology required to lean into stateism is either the person just has no fourth dimension or their fucking retarded or both. [SPEAKER_00]: I just don't understand. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that retarded at all.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's a function of fish swimming in a school. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're surrounded by this kind of mindset, [SPEAKER_02]: Like, it's also positive like this. [SPEAKER_02]: The choices are either I'm going to be for welfare or from genocide. [SPEAKER_02]: And I think it's a very fair option. [SPEAKER_02]: You can have a trans kid or a dead kid, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: That's how they pose it.

[SPEAKER_02]: So if you frame it that way, those, this is funny to me. [SPEAKER_02]: I play would you rather on Twitter all the time and have to lock my poles because it's like, you know, would you rather lose your foot in your hand? [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather be a millionaire. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, great. [SPEAKER_02]: Like sometimes you have to make bad choices and they frame it in these binaries where the option is really kind of it sucks, but it's gonna be infinitely profitable to the other.

[SPEAKER_00]: This is why you should never trust any political poll ever. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's every single one of them. [SPEAKER_00]: Every one of them is written exactly how you just said. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's why my options like, oh, this one or that one. [SPEAKER_00]: So go to food deserts. [SPEAKER_02]: Curious. [SPEAKER_02]: This stuff of people just a people listening this.

[SPEAKER_02]: There's a term that the media uses called food deserts because what happens is you have these poor neighborhoods or areas like the choice of big example of this. [SPEAKER_02]: And there's no supermarkets for Oakland as well. [SPEAKER_02]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: Now there's no supermarkets. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, oh, this is a function of racism. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, wait, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: What happened was? [SPEAKER_02]: the supermarkets go into these areas.

[SPEAKER_02]: They get robbed all the time. [SPEAKER_02]: There's no consequences. [SPEAKER_02]: They can't make a profit and then they shut down and then they're called racist. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if they're racist, why would they open up in these areas to begin with? [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we finally maybe have the evidence to show normal folk what happens because it's happened in the last two years in San Francisco and LA in Portland. [SPEAKER_00]: It happens in LA too.

[SPEAKER_00]: And Seattle, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So businesses [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of those two things, and to be honest, they get heat either way. [SPEAKER_00]: Why are you logging all this stuff? [SPEAKER_00]: It's an open air prison, like, oh my god. [SPEAKER_00]: Stop stealing shit. [SPEAKER_00]: The fuck man. [SPEAKER_00]: If you do steal, go to jail. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, well that would be someone that consequences.

[SPEAKER_00]: And an anarchist society, how do you handle criminal justice? [SPEAKER_00]: So it's just tombstone. [SPEAKER_02]: It's not just tombstone. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's not go shoot curly bill in the eye. [SPEAKER_02]: Sorry, Gary. [SPEAKER_02]: Too much meth for you. [SPEAKER_02]: We're going to solve Gary's problem. [SPEAKER_02]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I think the meth is eventually going to solve it for. [SPEAKER_02]: Hopefully not. [SPEAKER_02]: No, he's going to win.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm ruining for you. [SPEAKER_02]: No, you would have private, in the same way that it doesn't, hold on. [SPEAKER_02]: In the same way that people understand any other context, if you have monopoly, it means no accountability, expense, problems, blah, blah, blah, when it comes to security, they're like, nope, this is so important has to be a government monopoly and it makes no sense.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you had instead of nine, one, one, an Uber app, [SPEAKER_02]: where if there's a problem someone comes who's trained and armed, maybe they have to take some licensing tests. [SPEAKER_02]: People come out there and have to run that very easily because very quickly the people who are bad at it are going to be gone and the people who are good at it are going to be the ones you call more on more often.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right now with the cops, no matter what they do, they're not having any consequences and they're only going to come as a cleanup out of the fact. [SPEAKER_02]: This idea that the cops are there to kind of stop anything [SPEAKER_02]: What's that joke about when problems hear the cops? [SPEAKER_02]: When the murder is about to happen, the cops are in its way. [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's not a valid coherent system. [SPEAKER_02]: So you have much more security, not less.

[SPEAKER_02]: That'll be security that'll be accountable to people. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that actually. [SPEAKER_00]: How could you not? [SPEAKER_00]: Like from an anarchist standpoint, who controls a licensing test might be a problem you run into. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: When it's a solvable problem, I'm getting trying to get people bite by bite to get them all the way. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but I mean, look, we've got enough, uh, this is America.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So there's competent gunfighters like myself running around. [SPEAKER_02]: There are so many trained men, ex-military thousands. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: Who would be great instead of them driving Uber, like it would be great if they're the ones who are like, hey, there's a problem protecting schools, for example, like

[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of people have said that like why the fuck are we not just hiring veterans who've been in gun fights to sit and who love kids by the way all of them are like alpha dudes who want to be around kids protect them that's like our core identity is protecting people and you wouldn't be great to have an example of like healthy masculinity in your school that you got to ask us white liberal women that you could actually ask him questions and be like okay what do I do with this problem like these would be great people to mentor kids yeah yeah there's uh

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's and the kids would feel safe. [SPEAKER_00]: You remember the movie cops, I'm sure. [SPEAKER_00]: No, I didn't heard of it with Christian Slater. [SPEAKER_00]: It's awesome. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, cuffs. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh my god, you gotta, how have you not seen this? [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't watch it. [SPEAKER_00]: You gotta go watch it tonight. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I just watched because Dr. Drew told me to do.

[SPEAKER_02]: Did you see the P.B. [SPEAKER_02]: Herman documentary? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, is that a thing? [SPEAKER_02]: It's two parts. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a masterpiece. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just an absolute masterpiece. [SPEAKER_02]: It's so close. [SPEAKER_02]: Where's it? [SPEAKER_02]: Where's it? [SPEAKER_02]: It's HBL. [SPEAKER_00]: I streamed it. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Anyways, back to your point.

[SPEAKER_00]: This no accountability situation is a big problem even at the higher level. [SPEAKER_00]: And business. [SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of startups that started out with a lot of money. [SPEAKER_00]: And what you end up doing is spending your way out of problems. [SPEAKER_00]: You should are spending your way out of lessons you should have learned. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: And you never do.

[SPEAKER_00]: And that problem persists in your business as it expands and it gets bigger and bigger and bigger and all of a sudden you're fucked, right? [SPEAKER_00]: That's government. [SPEAKER_00]: That is exactly how government works. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't actually solve anything and sometimes it's incompetent. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I believe in handling the race or I think a lot of it or most of it is incompetent.

[SPEAKER_00]: Some of it is that solve problems don't get out the vote, right? [SPEAKER_02]: I think problems also you want you want the problems because then you get voters. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean like if I we could have [SPEAKER_00]: We could have solved all of these health care stuff and the abortion issue and all of this stuff was actually roofed against very critical.

[SPEAKER_00]: It was very critical of Rovi Wade because her position was well, we were already like all the states were already deciding on what we forced everybody to agree to, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_00]: Like what right did the judiciary have to get involved in something that the states were already doing themselves? [SPEAKER_02]: They do have a right if it's coherent.

[SPEAKER_02]: But the Constitution is silent and the tenth amendment says what we don't talk about at least the states. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you want to have California say a woman is someone who puts on a dress, fine. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the case in California in Texas. [SPEAKER_02]: That's not the case. [SPEAKER_02]: A woman is someone who doesn't understand how politics shouldn't be lots of vote. [SPEAKER_00]: That's our definition.

[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think is the best economic system that [SPEAKER_00]: represents the tenants of anarchism, which, you know, personal responsibility. [SPEAKER_02]: And it gives them a freedom or some out of this. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you think that just like free market is saying something, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But what, like, articulate that a little bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what are the principles of an economy?

[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, sure. [SPEAKER_02]: So it is where property is secured, property rights are absolute. [SPEAKER_02]: Sound money. [SPEAKER_00]: When you say, well, let me back up, when you say property rights are secured, [SPEAKER_00]: by whom and to what degree? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it's also the idea that they're understood and accepted, right?

[SPEAKER_02]: Right, because there's some countries or cultures where it's just like they don't really have this kind of very hardcore view on property like you and I might. [SPEAKER_00]: Are you against the Hong Kong? [SPEAKER_00]: Of the what? [SPEAKER_00]: The Viking principle where I can fight you and take all your stuff if I win. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't think that's a good one. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think it ends well. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think it does?

[SPEAKER_00]: Not for anybody, no. [SPEAKER_00]: It's always a bigger fish. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that sounds good on James. [SPEAKER_00]: I prefer for like tough people than you think about it. [SPEAKER_02]: It's like, it's not because like that, you got to sleep at some point. [SPEAKER_00]: That was just going to cut your fucking head off. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's funny because people are telling me on Twitter like, oh, if there was anarchism, you'd be the first one to go.

[SPEAKER_02]: I'm like, you'd be second. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Like, there's no scenario Mr. Internet tough guy where you're the leader of men. [SPEAKER_02]: I assure you, because you would be the leader of men right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, no, so what we but so back to the property right part. [SPEAKER_00]: I think I think a fundamental of it is that it has to it cannot be illegal to defend one's property in any way you see fit.

[SPEAKER_00]: If somebody's trying to come after you put the cops. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, including anybody. [SPEAKER_02]: Castle doctrine. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: I love Castle doctrine. [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that it's in for people who know Castle doctrine says if someone breaks down your door and clean the swat, you have the right as someone you're securing your castle to do whatever's necessary and doing deadly force in retaliation. [SPEAKER_02]: That's absolutely correct.

[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that's just a given. [SPEAKER_02]: That's shocking to me when people don't agree. [SPEAKER_02]: The one the ways I'm in Texas and I'm Brooklyn, because as you said, I've cool shit in my house and if someone at a small guy and if someone broke in my house and I did something about it, I'm going to jail. [SPEAKER_02]: Or they're going to sue me for sure. [SPEAKER_02]: It's crazy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's wild.

[SPEAKER_02]: And now I sleep with a gun under my bed and I'm very, very happy. [SPEAKER_02]: Under your bed. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, right about next to it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, like a stop box or something. [SPEAKER_02]: Just leave it on the table. [SPEAKER_02]: It's under the dresser. [SPEAKER_02]: Mm-hmm. [SPEAKER_02]: What kind of gun do you have? [SPEAKER_02]: It's a messada. [SPEAKER_02]: What's that? [SPEAKER_02]: It's what the IDF uses. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_02]: That's I got it.

[SPEAKER_02]: What's that guy's name? [SPEAKER_02]: The black dude who's kind of a crazy person here in Austin. [SPEAKER_00]: Short dude Michael Cargo. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yeah, yeah, the common target guy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I got it from him. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Michael's gonna do. [SPEAKER_00]: He's great. [SPEAKER_00]: He's the one that beat the bump stock. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: I love it. [SPEAKER_02]: So I'm like, I want to give this person my business and get my first.

[SPEAKER_00]: You don't Gary used to produce that right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you know that or not. [SPEAKER_00]: So what is an addition to [SPEAKER_00]: secure property rights, which implies the ability to defend it, however one sees fit what else. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: I think that's pretty much it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everything does flow from that in my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's pretty much it.

[SPEAKER_00]: What about foreign policy? [SPEAKER_00]: What about it? [SPEAKER_02]: So let's say I'm in favor if I can't have the anarchism. [SPEAKER_02]: I think American foreign policy has to be far less interventionist. [SPEAKER_02]: The fact that we have bases in like Germany and South Korea and Middle East is just really if you care that much about veterans as I know you and I both do, why you send them in harm's way unless it's absolutely necessary.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, I'll say [SPEAKER_00]: The United States has made a lot of mistakes. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: And we have to address those. [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not from my perspective. [SPEAKER_00]: like we've upset the balance in the Middle East quite a bit. [SPEAKER_00]: Not that those people were doing the right thing anyways, but if we had left Iran alone back in the fifties, our problems there would be way less in my opinion.

[SPEAKER_02]: Maybe more, but I think Iran is a big one because in the nineteen seventy nine, you know, the Shah was kind of an authoritarian figure, but like people don't realize this Andy Warhol would go there all the time, and it is entirely completely less caviar. [SPEAKER_02]: So these are Western Iran was, and then you, you can look at the pictures. [SPEAKER_02]: It's women on the beach and bikinis.

[SPEAKER_02]: and people have this left this mindset like if something's bad therefore it's the worst thing ever it's like oh he's so bad he's so bad so bad it's like careful you wish for so it could always be so much much. [SPEAKER_00]: Same thing with Saddam Hussein. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean same thing with Bashar al-Assad my opinion. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure it's shouldn't fuck with that even now we've got a literal ISIS guy which Israel's bombing them today I guess.

[SPEAKER_00]: Are they bobbing them today? [SPEAKER_00]: Damascus yeah they hit the presidential policy there. [SPEAKER_00]: We'll see how that goes but [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not keen on paying for the mistakes of my ancestors. [SPEAKER_00]: I'll kill everybody that comes at me. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't give a fuck who it is. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's the attitude she has. [SPEAKER_00]: I like the idea that people are scared to fuck with Americans. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's a really big room.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so here's yeah, here's the landscape as it is today. [SPEAKER_00]: China is our number one foreign adversary if you want to call them that. [SPEAKER_00]: They are they trying to steal our shit. [SPEAKER_00]: They're not a military threat to us in any meaningful way, but they steal a lot of our shit.

[SPEAKER_00]: They've tried to uh [SPEAKER_00]: head-off resources they own about sixty-five percent of global rare with mineral rights fit like that so certainly they're fucking around but it's not like a and it's not a real existential threat unless we allow to become one sure but their proxies right now are a ran and it's it's proxy a rack and it's other proxies how much has below in hoodie right and then Pakistan me and more uh...

[SPEAKER_00]: all the sea, all the central Asian stands, and to some degree partnered with Russia, although I think that relationship is not great. [SPEAKER_00]: The question is, what should the United States do about that? [SPEAKER_00]: And the, like, should we develop and maintain proxies of our own? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's a good idea personally, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But should we, [SPEAKER_00]: should we develop or maintain proxerone?

[SPEAKER_00]: If nothing, are you comfortable in a world where China has all this going on and where is the red line for you? [SPEAKER_00]: If they develop these same kind of deals they have with Iran with Mexico or Canada, does it become a problem then? [SPEAKER_00]: Or what point does it become a problem? [SPEAKER_00]: I've always thought that regional hegemony is probably the best idea, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like the Monroe Doctrine mostly, but I've curious your thoughts on that.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's very, very complex. [SPEAKER_02]: I also think that we have our living in Plato's cave when it comes to international stuff that we only see a very small part of it. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't really know what's going on behind the scenes. [SPEAKER_02]: We know how much of this fight is for show. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't know how much China hates us in China or China just testing their limits and me like everything we get away with. [SPEAKER_02]: We don't care.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think America's greatest asset is American culture and the fact that we're conquering the world not through force of arms because people consume our products and it's very, very hard to hate a country [SPEAKER_02]: if you listen to their music and watch the shows and the books. [SPEAKER_02]: So I think that is the best way to have kind of colonialism for lack of a better term. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's social colonialism.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's what I refer to as American soft power, right? [SPEAKER_00]: But it's the best. [SPEAKER_00]: It's by far the [SPEAKER_02]: It works. [SPEAKER_02]: You see it in South Korea, you see it in Europe, you see it in many other places. [SPEAKER_02]: And that's something I'm a big fan of Hollywood per se, especially in recent years. [SPEAKER_02]: But in terms of it being an engine of American exceptionalism and world domination, I'm a fan of it in that regard.

[SPEAKER_02]: I don't know, I think red lines are very contextual. [SPEAKER_02]: It's really easy to say, you know, Chamberlain gets a really bad rap because after World War One happens and half of your young, the entire youth population is murdered for no reason all the men, you can't blame him for being like, you know what, I'm just going to cut a deal because we're not doing this shit again. [SPEAKER_02]: We're exhausted.

[SPEAKER_02]: So it's for us to go to any kind of war with China, I mean, [SPEAKER_02]: It's got to take a lot. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, there's not going to be any words. [SPEAKER_00]: They don't want this. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want they don't want the heat. [SPEAKER_00]: They definitely don't they can't we we would decimate that country in a matter of weeks. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you think so but they have nooks? [SPEAKER_00]: They don't have the kind of power required to hit us.

[SPEAKER_00]: Try to get hit us? [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, theoretically, they could, but they would end their country forever. [SPEAKER_00]: They would be gone. [SPEAKER_00]: Dave Smith, when he was arguing against striking Iran, kept saying that Iran had escalatory dominance in the region. [SPEAKER_00]: That is retarded. [SPEAKER_00]: What does that mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Escalatory dominance means that they can escalate to a level that we won't escalate to in that region.

[SPEAKER_00]: Which is to say he is I think I believe his point was to say that they would hit our bases same thing Tucker said that seventy thousand troops who get killed on our bases over there, which is nonsense, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Okay, but why is it nonsense? [SPEAKER_00]: Because they while [SPEAKER_00]: are rightly called a death cult, right? [SPEAKER_00]: The leaders of the cult are never the ones that die. [SPEAKER_00]: That's what you understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: Like that, so the leaders of the cult are like, they're not going to fucking do that stuff and get smoked. [SPEAKER_00]: This is not going to happen. [SPEAKER_00]: He lived a fight another day. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole thing. [SPEAKER_00]: It's the thousand year war. [SPEAKER_00]: They lived a fight another day, right? [SPEAKER_00]: So this is just basic logic. [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody that understands the history, even of the Ottoman Empire.

[SPEAKER_00]: before these guys is the ideology that carries with this stuff new that that was going to be stupid will try to think the same way they think in terms they have dictators for thirty forty years they don't have presence for four years sure they think in long term so for them attempting and failing attempting and failing attempting and accomplishing a little bit attempting and failing is perfectly except that's right yeah whereas for us it's not if you if you're

[SPEAKER_00]: If you're the president of the United States and you ran on X, not on Twitter, but on X policy, and you don't accomplish it, then you're a failure. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Because things take longer than four years, almost always. [SPEAKER_00]: So another problem with US government, but American soft powers, something that never ceases. [SPEAKER_00]: It's not an operation. [SPEAKER_00]: It is a tone.

[SPEAKER_00]: It's an ideology, the carries into the future. [SPEAKER_02]: You know what it could be, I mean, we don't have a CAA, I'm not even kidding, Cain Balman is about that stuff. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, mockingbird. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I'm not going to agree with it. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's that never stopped. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, but I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if their CAA involved in creating programs for export. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, yeah, okay.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's, that's the world your eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: No, no, I mean, I mean, it's, I thought everybody just assumed that was the case. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, you rolled your eyes for that. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's, that's, they're definitely doing that. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think that this necessarily wrong for them to do that.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, as a matter of fact, if we're going to give money to USAID, that should be what it's spend on, right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, like, warning everybody else. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Lee, not just, so warning the shitheads and encouraging the good people, that's just a statutory policy with you, Ron.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there's a huge I agree on there from I disagree so here's something that might make you angry In two thousand eight to ten are Department of Energy some of my friends were working there at the time at the policy level and at the security level like nest teams people that are experts in energy security specifically right They came up with this plan to give Iran

[SPEAKER_00]: all the three to five percent uranium they wanted we'll we will we operate this you don't you guys don't get to have centrifuges we'll do all this for you we're gonna give you this uranium we're gonna help you build your reactors you're gonna have energy for everybody nope brownouts or blackouts ever again right and an exchange no centrifuges no enrichment and you're gonna give us a deep discount on your oil just like to do to China right now and instead Obama

[SPEAKER_00]: signed this fucking jick poet deal with them and gave them a hundred and fifty billion dollars which they almost immediately gave to moss and [SPEAKER_00]: But we could have solved this problem fifteen years ago. [SPEAKER_00]: This would not have been a problem anymore. [SPEAKER_00]: Iran would probably be an ally. [SPEAKER_00]: So think about the trajectory of Saudi Arabia for who's royal family helped conduct nine eleven.

[SPEAKER_00]: To our relationship with them now where they just invested six hundred billion dollars in our economy. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And there are the verge of a break of having a dip of that relationship is real. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean they they essentially do now they they're both. [SPEAKER_00]: Basically right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: They ran records now. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like.

[SPEAKER_00]: You we can do this stuff and that didn't require a war. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's one of the I still don't understand how I guess he's being nominated now But if anybody if any president in my lifetime Has actually deserved a nomination for or winning the Nobel Peace Prize. [SPEAKER_00]: It's got to be Trump. [SPEAKER_00]: I thought you're gonna say W. Yeah It's got to be Trump [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Obama got it from being black, which I understand.

[SPEAKER_00]: No, but the, the, the Abraham Accords is just one example. [SPEAKER_00]: Just the one now. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, but it's, we can do this. [SPEAKER_00]: We can, there's a, there's a, there's a path with a ran. [SPEAKER_00]: And I think they're trying, this is the deal they're trying to get done now for my an understanding with the of people I know the Trump admin. [SPEAKER_00]: This, they're trying to go back to like, hey, remember that?

[SPEAKER_00]: I think we can do that. [SPEAKER_02]: I think there's a big idea in social media and I could be wrong. [SPEAKER_02]: There people want everything to be a disaster. [SPEAKER_02]: And massive conflict can escalate and could lead to World War III, apparently we just won, because that was the fastest world war we've ever had. [SPEAKER_02]: But also massive conflict can lead to people being like, fuck this shit, we gotta figure this out.

[SPEAKER_02]: It's like the big fight that leads to breakup, it's like all right. [SPEAKER_02]: We can't have this relation anymore. [SPEAKER_02]: How are we going to move forward? [SPEAKER_02]: Neither is it going to like it. [SPEAKER_02]: We can live with it. [SPEAKER_02]: So I am hopeful that something like this happened. [SPEAKER_02]: You know, that big obviously blue hobbies between Israel and Iran.

[SPEAKER_02]: I am hopeful that there is a path forward where I could be like fuck this shit. [SPEAKER_02]: But they're in a bad position, because they're like the leaders of the anti-Israel thing. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's just like for them to lose that cloud and that position is just like do they want to do that? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, that's a good, it's an interesting point, so maybe part of our, not power policy should be to give them something else to focus on.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean? [SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, a rant now, the number one exporter of this or doing this, look at this thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Or you'll fight seriously. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Let's start your labor, isn't it? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, it'll be interesting to see how it all turns out. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm just curious how this Gaza situation is gonna end. [SPEAKER_02]: How does it end?

[SPEAKER_02]: I have never had anyone articulate a coherent ending. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, France, uh, the judiciary in France just let everybody even Gaza apply for asylum. [SPEAKER_00]: You're too, friend. [SPEAKER_00]: Nope. [SPEAKER_00]: That happened on Monday. [SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: Yep. [SPEAKER_00]: Everyone? [SPEAKER_00]: Anybody that is a Palestinian citizen living in Gaza is now eligible to apply for asylum in France. [SPEAKER_00]: Terminous Island?

[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it says. [SPEAKER_00]: I get to tell you this. [SPEAKER_02]: For years now, because there's again a clerical error and people were outed, they led in ten thousand Afghans into the UK secretly. [SPEAKER_02]: And they're also legally allowed to bring the whole families. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God. [SPEAKER_02]: And it cost them, I think, seven billion pounds or something. [SPEAKER_02]: Look this up. [SPEAKER_02]: Can you get up for people?

[SPEAKER_02]: So you can think exact numbers. [SPEAKER_02]: You probably want to talk with them in Ranking Bros. [SPEAKER_02]: too. [SPEAKER_02]: So they're bringing over like a hundred thousand Afghans to Britain. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh my God. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a insane number. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's on AP. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, nineteen thousand for now for now. [SPEAKER_00]: But this is the way it works in the United States, too. [SPEAKER_00]: Once once.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, but you know, I think that's ten times the population that's written. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure, but I would like the process works the same. [SPEAKER_00]: So if you're, if you become, if you're a parent or grandparent, you become a citizen, you can start sponsoring people. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: And if it's a, if it's somebody that's under eighteen, it's immediate.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: you just immediately bring them over to call an n-six hundred and an immigration. [SPEAKER_00]: You can immediately fill that out. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, nineteen thousand already. [SPEAKER_00]: Actually, I'm sorry, thirty six thousand. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, thirty six thousand have been moved over. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, mother fucker. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, good luck with that.

[SPEAKER_02]: My friend was like, you know, I thought Greg Britain couldn't get worse and we reached the basement and he's like, then I read this. [SPEAKER_02]: But the thing is, these are people who have no skills, they live in perimeter conditions, even if they're angels, what are you gonna do with them? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, they're not gonna be because they have low IQs. [SPEAKER_02]: But let's suppose the point is, but let's steal them.

[SPEAKER_02]: What are you gonna do with thirty-six thousand people who don't speak English, who have no skills in urban environment? [SPEAKER_00]: Well, fair. [SPEAKER_02]: Right best that's the best best case scenarios. [SPEAKER_02]: They're all on welfare. [SPEAKER_00]: What even even in that best case scenario is they're all on welfare and then people that have whatever urge to do better but have no skills to will create a parallel economy.

[SPEAKER_00]: That's how that's how organized crime typically happens. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right new generations. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this is [SPEAKER_00]: Nineteen let's see, um Turn your palestine Yeah, so any like if if Essentially if somebody can make the case to French immigration that the UN has not done its due diligence and protecting them in Gaza they can now apply for asylum in France You know what I got to give the French credit for putting the money where they're about this

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I mean you're gonna be wild right full fucking because instead of bitching like to be Israel's like figure this out It's Israel's like we can't live with these people They're like you know what if you can't live then we'll take a minute. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like okay, you're actually doing the work Yeah, why not you know I mean I'm I'm not I [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to France. [SPEAKER_00]: Not under those conditions. [SPEAKER_00]: It's unfortunate.

[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's going to be great for them probably. [SPEAKER_00]: It hasn't been great for us. [SPEAKER_00]: that it's it's it's one of those phrases that got said over and over and over again until people just kind of accepted it and use it used it on a top to logically as an explanation for itself.

[SPEAKER_00]: Multiculturalism is our strength no it's not the fuck are you talking about that is that is that is uh... and look [SPEAKER_00]: ten years ago I may have said some dumb shit like that just as a cursory like oh yeah of course we want the best of all worlds right like the underlying principle is yet some of these great enough [SPEAKER_00]: to participate in this experiment that we're doing.

[SPEAKER_00]: She fucking bring a man to you because that's that's helped us quite a bit over the years, but that's not what they're saying. [SPEAKER_00]: But it's also the same as like open the door. [SPEAKER_02]: What percent of America's are great? [SPEAKER_02]: Five and five. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So in like, so probably less so. [SPEAKER_00]: Let's bring it up. [SPEAKER_02]: So what are the five percent of people?

[SPEAKER_02]: And here's the thing, if you're in, if you view, Gaza as this opening of prisoners people say, those five percent who are great are going to be in Hamas. [SPEAKER_02]: Why wouldn't they? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's the peak achievement. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, right. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: That's the high status high accomplished area. [SPEAKER_00]: But this idea that you can, like, so the price for admission was a simulation.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: No matter what, like, you can, you come over here with your idea. [SPEAKER_00]: You can make, you can make a million dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: You can make a billion dollars. [SPEAKER_00]: You go with your idea. [SPEAKER_00]: But you've got to live, you have to, you have to be American. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the point. [SPEAKER_02]: If he ends birthright citizenship, that'd be awesome. [SPEAKER_02]: Would really do a lot of this damage.

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if it can make it retroactive, but it would stop what's happening. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's something that's like, and I don't I have friends that were in a military with me. [SPEAKER_00]: They were not citizens at the time. [SPEAKER_00]: They served in the military to become citizens in one of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I went to his fucking [SPEAKER_00]: swearing in ceremony. [SPEAKER_00]: I was like, fuck yeah, dude. [SPEAKER_00]: It's good.

[SPEAKER_00]: Hell yeah for you. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I earn it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like Tom Hanks said, and yeah, saving private Ryan. [SPEAKER_02]: Or don't earn and don't become a citizen. [SPEAKER_02]: You pay your taxes. [SPEAKER_02]: You're job. [SPEAKER_02]: Whatever that's perfectly fine. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But it's just like you don't get to vote. [SPEAKER_02]: Great.

[SPEAKER_00]: Well, we're not doing so again, the government shouldn't be in charge of any of this shit, but I guess if the federal government does exist for any reason, it is certainly to protect the border. [SPEAKER_00]: If it does have any legitimate thing to do, it's just that. [SPEAKER_02]: But the other thing is when you bring people in, all of a sudden, I'm paying for everything for them. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So where was the net benefit from that?

[SPEAKER_00]: People say like, [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that indentured servitude is such a bad thing. [SPEAKER_00]: Right? [SPEAKER_00]: Like you should have to earn your way. [SPEAKER_00]: If I'm gonna have to support you for the first couple years, then you need to fucking pay me back. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, you know, that just serves as, well, you know, my plan by Canada. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that's more straight up slavery. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: And to be fair, Canadians deserve it. [SPEAKER_00]: They had a comment for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: They would be happier. [SPEAKER_00]: They would. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: They haven't. [SPEAKER_00]: They've spent zero time thinking for themselves.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So why even why it's like, if you give your kid a nice toy, and he's playing with the box, put the toy back in the closet. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: You want to mean welcome. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: But I think. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know, I don't think that's even an extreme viewpoint. [SPEAKER_00]: You should have to earn you. [SPEAKER_00]: If you're not from here and look, that's not fair, but life's not fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: You were born over there. [SPEAKER_00]: You want to come participate here, then you have to earn your way in. [SPEAKER_00]: I wasn't born here. [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot of things that I don't think it's reasonable that I have the same rights as you. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what the cutoff would be to be honest with the Russians they ran the alien program for a long time. [SPEAKER_00]: You're probably a fucking spy for all I know, probably.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, look, I only the Sith deal in absolute. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think what was it? [SPEAKER_00]: Tucker the other day said some stuff and people gave him a lot of heat forward that people that weren't born here should be participating in our government. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that that's an extreme position. [SPEAKER_00]: Well Hamilton was in board here, so that's my counter example. [SPEAKER_00]: But he only served in appointed positions.

[SPEAKER_00]: He was never elected anything. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, but I mean, I don't know. [SPEAKER_02]: I think if you look at the people in Washington, the people were board here and doing so how to either. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess how do you ever know, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: Because I think that those [SPEAKER_00]: The concern or suspicion that people have is that we'll become the Eastern Roman Empire where the German Accords come and do all the jobs and nobody wants to do it and they start serving a government because nobody else wants to and now it's. [SPEAKER_02]: I don't think that's absurd fear, but I would point out that when America was far more homogenous, you had FDR and Woodrow Wilson.

[SPEAKER_02]: And they would never be able to pull off their shit today. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's one factor, but I don't think it's the entire factor. [SPEAKER_02]: And I wish there was a way to be like, if we just narrow the vote, if we just, for example, abolish suffrage. [SPEAKER_02]: But if you look at the nineteen tens, Teddy Roosevelt, I mean, this is crazy shit, they were pulling.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, the even even after with the bullmost stuff that they were trying to pull Yeah, like I'd just want to real send the income tax with ninety percent or something. [SPEAKER_02]: It was a crazy. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that was before we could vote Yeah, yeah, it's interesting How do you is there a right to vote? [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, do you think there's a right to vote? [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think democracy is a very good solution.

[SPEAKER_00]: It makes democracy something that is so absurd. [SPEAKER_00]: Even in a representative Republic, I don't think democracy is the best way to sort it out. [SPEAKER_00]: It's to be honest. [SPEAKER_02]: If democracy is so absurd, the other reason we can consider as hypothesis is that we've been propagandized to it, to its true kids. [SPEAKER_02]: Every state has two senators, right? [SPEAKER_02]: If my state has one blue senator, one red senator, which one's representing me?

[SPEAKER_02]: But they're talking about. [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And how is it that if I represent a house member and representing four hundred thousand people, whatever number it is, I'm only representing some of them. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Some of them are going to disagree with me. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, democracy is fifty one percent of people telling forty nine percent of people what they have to do. [SPEAKER_00]: And I don't know that eighty twenty is even better.

[SPEAKER_00]: No. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what would be the difference? [SPEAKER_00]: Even if it was ninety nine one, if you actually believe an individual liberty, [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: How did you do something from Congress to me? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it is. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's Jim Crow. [SPEAKER_00]: Is that what you want? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, certainly. [SPEAKER_00]: We've romanticized democracy in such a way, even like not with people.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, what the broader American culture has, even when even when the left says our democracy on repeat, [SPEAKER_00]: the response from the right is that we're a Republic of democracy not that democracy is bullshit which is what the response should right but people seem to think that that's an extreme position [SPEAKER_00]: I would encourage folks to make a list of the things that you actually believe in. [SPEAKER_00]: The underlying principles, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: And write it down. [SPEAKER_00]: And if you can think of something that that thing is sitting on top of, scratch it out and write that. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: I think it's very hard down as you possibly can and make that list of things. [SPEAKER_00]: And anything that's in Congress with those things, you shouldn't believe. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you. [SPEAKER_00]: We take these things.

[SPEAKER_00]: But people don't want to think like that. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, certainly we need to [SPEAKER_00]: I, if you're out there and you've never read the organ on by Aristotle, please read it. [SPEAKER_00]: Just how logic works. [SPEAKER_00]: Forget about any particular point, but I don't think process can do it works. [SPEAKER_00]: Almost people probably can. [SPEAKER_02]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: They don't, people don't even know the difference between wanting to prefer. [SPEAKER_02]: Like if I asked you to do one cancer, no, would you prefer melanoma or pancreatic, it's melanoma? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: But for a lot of people, I don't want melanoma. [SPEAKER_02]: They can't wrap their heads around one generation. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully a couple of people are a critical mass of people will pay attention.

[SPEAKER_00]: Because I don't think I think a lot of people that are capable of it don't do it now. [SPEAKER_02]: That's fair. [SPEAKER_00]: That's indisputably true. [SPEAKER_00]: So what do you do about that? [SPEAKER_02]: You do what we do, which is run our mouths and hopefully you activate enough brains. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we'll see.

[SPEAKER_02]: I also, you know what, as someone at Twitter have this great line, I wish I'd give me a credit for everyone, because the most important vote is how you live your life. [SPEAKER_02]: What a great line. [SPEAKER_02]: I agree with that, ten thousand percent, to find some all mathematics. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, cap, caping off. [SPEAKER_00]: anarchism. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you engage in electoral politics at all, even at a tactical level, like trying to influence it?

[SPEAKER_02]: Yes, I gave money to Fetterman because I wanted him. [SPEAKER_00]: Just a big stroke guy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I wanted him in the Senate because my hope was that one day he would go full Hulk and start to capitating people. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And I donated money to Biden in the primary because I wanted him to be the nominee. [SPEAKER_02]: And I got great ROI in both of those. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, certainly. [SPEAKER_00]: But I don't vote.

[SPEAKER_00]: My buddy took a lot of heat back in the day for donating money to Tulsi Gabbard when she was still a Democrat. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: And the reason is because he saw an interview with her lighting Kamala Harris on fire about Oliver stuff and people were like, Oh, you're a liberal now goes, No, I wanted to see Tulsi Gabbard on that stage with her light harass up and she ended Kamala Harris.

[SPEAKER_02]: You know, my tweet was if there's one things Hawaiians know it's how to roast the pig. [SPEAKER_02]: That is accurate. [SPEAKER_02]: So, I'm going to bring a point with this as well, just as how duplicitous in the level in our political system, our media is. [SPEAKER_02]: After Officer Harris got driven out of the race by they call her mommy milky on the internet. [SPEAKER_02]: Like mommy tell see, there were a bunch of articles that an autopsy on Kamel's campaign.

[SPEAKER_02]: I think they were ten. [SPEAKER_02]: Not one. [SPEAKER_02]: They all had lists. [SPEAKER_02]: This, this, this, not one mention tell see. [SPEAKER_02]: So if there was one article, I can understand, okay, the guy overlooked it. [SPEAKER_02]: There was a media coordination to not acknowledge that tells the guy but editor campaign, even though we all started front of our eyes. [SPEAKER_00]: What do you think the lesson is from that?

[SPEAKER_02]: That it's like no chance because idea of manufactured consent is there's a huge percentage population and I think it's a majority and I think it's always a majority who are going to have their worldview fed into them by the people in the screens. [SPEAKER_02]: They have no problem. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's honest. [SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be subjective, I guess. [SPEAKER_00]: To some degree, I'm curious your thoughts on it.

[SPEAKER_00]: From the political establishment, media and to some degree, the lobbying and business establishment, do you think there's a coordinated effort towards messaging or is it just retards following retards? [SPEAKER_00]: Because people, I don't think it's coordinated. [SPEAKER_00]: People will see on Twitter like, oh, everybody's saying the same thing and like, yeah.

[SPEAKER_02]: No, no, no. [SPEAKER_02]: Twitter's different because when they're saying the same thing, they're saying same thing verbatim. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, sometimes. [SPEAKER_02]: So when it's verbatim, it's got to be coordinated, right? [SPEAKER_02]: Because the copy paste, someone got an email. [SPEAKER_02]: But in the same way that if you and I go to McDonald's and Seattle or we go to McDonald's in Miami, it's the same man. [SPEAKER_02]: You may be this regional variation.

[SPEAKER_02]: That's not a conspiracy. [SPEAKER_02]: It's just, okay, I know what to do in Miami, McDonald's, so on and so forth. [SPEAKER_02]: So if you have a population of kids who go to journalism schools and those journalism schools all have the same hard-left ideology, once they're at their desk they're gonna know what to do without having anyone called them up and tell them what to do. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, I agree with that.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I think it's [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if there's not some big had puppet master that you if you just shoot him. [SPEAKER_02]: If you killed George Sorris right now, it wouldn't over night. [SPEAKER_02]: We like, okay, we're in a retopia. [SPEAKER_02]: People have the people want this head vampire. [SPEAKER_02]: They thought this would trump. [SPEAKER_02]: We take out trump. [SPEAKER_02]: Everything's going to go back to normal.

[SPEAKER_02]: That he wasn't the White House for four years and it didn't go back to normal like he wanted. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and it's not there's no normal to go back to that's right. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean it's like I've Don't know how many more times I can tell people this, but you've got to stop looking for heroes That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Amen and be one right. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right your own life for your family.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, maybe you get successful enough where you can spread that more right, but if you don't start there then it doesn't work the lowest form of government is the family right? [SPEAKER_02]: Well the individual the self like if you beep someone you can be proud to look in the mirror Yeah, and when the first thing you should master yourself That's what I say and also when you do the wrong thing which you will sometimes Make a men's fix it.

[SPEAKER_02]: Don't just say I'm sorry take steps to make restitution. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah repair Yeah, and then you'll feel better be like, you know what I did the wrong thing, but I'm someone who did made it right at the end [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's something that in life you can control your attitude and your effort. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: And that's pretty much it.

[SPEAKER_00]: All these other circumstances, like you don't get to choose the government you live in. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: Voting is fucking stupid. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, honestly. [SPEAKER_02]: Can I ask you a question? [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Because sometimes my autism flares up. [SPEAKER_02]: I had a Twitter question and I don't understand this.

[SPEAKER_02]: I asked people, would you rather I vote for your candidate in like a red state if it's a red candidate or donate money to them? [SPEAKER_02]: and a large part of people chose the former, and I don't understand their mindset. [SPEAKER_00]: Because they don't understand force multiplication. [SPEAKER_02]: Is it that's up? [SPEAKER_00]: It's just that stupid. [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for me. [SPEAKER_00]: It's hard to downgrade your brain.

[SPEAKER_00]: I think like this in person. [SPEAKER_00]: It's so, here's a good example. [SPEAKER_00]: Google ad search. [SPEAKER_00]: I can spend somewhere between one and three cents for my ad to hit if you search for a certain key phrase. [SPEAKER_00]: Typically, that's about the rate one to three cents, which means a set of me casting one vote. [SPEAKER_00]: I can now influence somewhere between a hundred and thirty people, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: That's, it's just math. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: But that's what a force multiplier is. [SPEAKER_00]: Right. [SPEAKER_00]: So money goes way farther. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: And since the state's not in play, like what my vote has no utility. [SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So that's why I couldn't understand why they would want me to vote.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't make any sense. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Certainly voting is stupid anyways. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Even even even even if you took it seriously and thought it mattered. [SPEAKER_00]: The force multiplier is always better than the course. [SPEAKER_00]: Like what's better in terms of opera, I know this won't make sense to you, but my audience will.

[SPEAKER_00]: Operationally speaking, one special forces operator, or the local national platoon that he has trained along with him. [SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, the one is better. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the whole purpose of special forces trained local nationals and create force multiplier. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you know anyone has seen Team Six? [SPEAKER_00]: Currently? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Why? [SPEAKER_00]: I'll ask you a fair.

[SPEAKER_00]: Okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I know a bunch of people that are actually I just had the guy that I interviewed on Monday that sat in that chair right there as a former dev group guy. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, okay. [SPEAKER_00]: Cool. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you can take the chair with you, I guess. [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I'm stuck to it now.

[SPEAKER_00]: Um, if you had to live under any government throughout all of history, all of history, which one would it be? [SPEAKER_02]: Well, it would clearly be this one. [SPEAKER_00]: Not even like the original Athenian government, where it was like, they didn't want their conditioning. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's good. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but forget about that. [SPEAKER_00]: But I'd say they had AC and fucking video games. [SPEAKER_00]: But in all the shoes you want.

[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's all the shoes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all the weird shoes that you want to buy. [SPEAKER_00]: Just the government. [SPEAKER_02]: It's hard for me to wrap my head around the question then, because I don't think there's lots of governments that have been pretty innocuous throughout history, but at the same time do I want to live there and then, but if I'm living there and then with what I have now, [SPEAKER_02]: I think the question kind of goes circular, right?

[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: I think we're living in, you mean like it's like the stuff that we have is a result of some of this? [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_02]: And also the stuff that we have is more important than what kind of government we have. [SPEAKER_02]: I'd rather live, you know, now in like, [SPEAKER_02]: maybe not North Korea, but in a pretty authoritarian state than in like, nineteen ten in America. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_02]: Right. [SPEAKER_02]: So it's a tough. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: All right. [SPEAKER_00]: What about, uh, this is the last question. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, is there such a thing as a good citizen? [SPEAKER_02]: Of course. [SPEAKER_02]: What do you mean? [SPEAKER_00]: What it was a good citizen. [SPEAKER_02]: Someone who is a great example to his community. [SPEAKER_00]: And what would you say, uh, make some of the great example?

[SPEAKER_02]: uh... someone who was honest trust worthy reliable and makes the all week all any of us can do is leave the world a little bit of better place than we found it and i think there's all that has something that everyone has the power to be yeah and if you do that when you meet your maker you could pat yourself in the back and and say i did what i could have been i think that's the group that mr. Rogers used to call the helpers right sure like they're always around

[SPEAKER_00]: and Marcus really just once said stop talking about what makes a good man in the past, right? [SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the best advice. [SPEAKER_00]: It is. [SPEAKER_00]: And we do talk a lot about it here, but I think it's something to contemplate and then act on. [SPEAKER_02]: And you can start today. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you don't want to say, you don't want to be an academic. [SPEAKER_02]: Don't say I'm going to join the gym tomorrow because yesterday you said tomorrow.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, that's good advice. [SPEAKER_00]: I think that [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if I would say you have a responsibility to anybody but yourself and your family but you can be an architect of the type of world you want to live in and we get to choose we get to choose who are I know I said don't look for heroes but nobody's come to save you we get to choose who we admire

[SPEAKER_02]: So one of my favorite thinkers is Albert Camus who was a French absurdist and his ideas that life is meaningless and for him this means we're enormously free. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you think about it, if you go up to some mountain top and someone has an easel, listen paint and a paintbrush and there's two kinds of people. [SPEAKER_02]: Why the fuck is this easel up here or [SPEAKER_02]: which is my view and I think your view, what a great opportunity.

[SPEAKER_02]: I can paint whatever I want. [SPEAKER_02]: I can create something beautiful, something I can create. [SPEAKER_02]: It's river, me, myself, God, something abstract. [SPEAKER_02]: That is the gift of life we will be given. [SPEAKER_02]: You can be the kind of person you want to be within. [SPEAKER_02]: Certainly, morally you can. [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe not. [SPEAKER_02]: professionally. [SPEAKER_02]: And that is a great gift and don't spit in it in the face.

[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you wasting your time all day playing video games and jerking off, that's exactly what you're doing. [SPEAKER_02]: And you could stop right now. [SPEAKER_02]: I meant you didn't stop. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Bertrand Russell touched on that a little bit too. [SPEAKER_00]: Does he? [SPEAKER_00]: the freedom that comes with not being concerned about what comes next. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: It's like you've got this life, live at home.

[SPEAKER_00]: What gives it meaning is the fact that it ends. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: Yes. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like get busy living or get busy dying. [SPEAKER_00]: I think Clint Eastwood may have said that. [SPEAKER_02]: And if you're confused about what to do, imagine that you're eighty years old or whatever on your deathbed and you're looking back to this moment, make the decision that that guy would be proud of.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: I don't think people regret things they did. [SPEAKER_00]: I think they mostly regret things they did not do. [SPEAKER_02]: Do you know what the most common thing people say when they're in their eighties? [SPEAKER_02]: I wish I didn't worry so much. [SPEAKER_00]: It's good advice. [SPEAKER_00]: It is good advice. [SPEAKER_02]: Especially in America. [SPEAKER_02]: Calm down.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I don't get the regret is the thing that doesn't make sense to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Like just fix it. [SPEAKER_00]: There's nothing you can do about it. [SPEAKER_00]: Like I understand why it happens, but I think regret is like present-tent anxiety about past-tent events. [SPEAKER_02]: I think regret is good in this context.

[SPEAKER_02]: If you're the kind of person who doesn't shoot for the hoop, or doesn't take those opportunities, like, man, I should have done it. [SPEAKER_02]: Yes. [SPEAKER_02]: So the next time it happens, shoot for it, and you're gonna miss a lot of the time, and that's okay, but you're not going to regret missing. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm trying. [SPEAKER_00]: It's only functional, though, if it turns to action. [SPEAKER_00]: That's the case for most things. [SPEAKER_00]: For everything.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So you've got a book. [SPEAKER_00]: Sure. [SPEAKER_00]: A number of them. [SPEAKER_00]: I promote some of your books. [SPEAKER_02]: I like that my favorite part of that was the handway just about some of your books. [SPEAKER_00]: I have all of them but do you? [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Do you have Ego Neubris? [SPEAKER_00]: No, I don't have that one. [SPEAKER_00]: I guess I am here. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I guess I am here.

[SPEAKER_02]: In two thousand six Harvey Peak I wrote a book about me. [SPEAKER_02]: It's a graphic novel called Ego Neubris. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, no, I've never heard of that. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What? [SPEAKER_02]: Ego Neubris? [SPEAKER_02]: It's quite expensive now. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's gotten down in price because I'm a loser now. [SPEAKER_02]: I think it's like two hundred bucks right in a box. [SPEAKER_02]: I think Ego Neubris the Michael Lens story.

[SPEAKER_00]: So that's the real. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's on Amazon. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's the most expensive. [SPEAKER_00]: It's one-eighteen that's not bad. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's not that bad by that right now. [SPEAKER_00]: Um, you're not getting any money from this. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not need this Harvey. [SPEAKER_00]: He's dead. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: Well, he died of my birthday. [SPEAKER_00]: That was a fun.

[SPEAKER_00]: That does like, uh, although, uh, something to look into, maybe. [SPEAKER_00]: So to Hamilton, what, uh, what? [SPEAKER_00]: What are the other books?

[SPEAKER_02]: You just you had a book about Trump's book is called Not Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick of Winnot Sick

[SPEAKER_02]: intense and emotional why why what do you mean I mean there's some I mean what was done to the people in Eastern Europe for decades and the atrocities it's just and while at the same time in the West all the influencers saying this is great and if you're opposed to this you know you're talking about and I want you to that resonates today and coming from there knowing this is what you know my family everyone over their experience it's it's it's a lot yeah

[SPEAKER_02]: and deer readers where you went to North Korea. [SPEAKER_02]: That's right about North Korea. [SPEAKER_02]: It's really funny. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: I met Kim Jong-un's translator, but I was in New York last week. [SPEAKER_02]: Last week. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_02]: What's he doing here? [SPEAKER_02]: The translator? [SPEAKER_02]: He's American. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh. [SPEAKER_02]: They got translating from Dennis Rodman too. [SPEAKER_02]: Oh, yeah.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: He was fascinating. [SPEAKER_00]: Was he there with Trump too? [SPEAKER_00]: No, he was not. [SPEAKER_00]: Can you imagine just that conversation? [SPEAKER_00]: I can imagine very easily don't you think? [SPEAKER_00]: I think that Kim Jong-un is probably quite a bit beta to be. [SPEAKER_00]: Oh Kim Jong-un compared to Trump. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, he's like thirty and Trump's seventy. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it Eastern Europe. [SPEAKER_02]: That's sorry East Asia.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's huge deal. [SPEAKER_00]: Like the people in the US don't understand the difference there. [SPEAKER_00]: So G and Trump that's equal to me. [SPEAKER_00]: Not capability wise necessarily, but like here's yeah, their peers. [SPEAKER_00]: I always wondered what it would [SPEAKER_00]: like the tension that would have been present there, especially in a culture like North Korea that actively engages in ancestor worship.

[SPEAKER_00]: So it's not even just like Japan or one of these other countries that certainly respect older people more as a function, but the head of the military [SPEAKER_00]: is still his father and the president is still his grandfather. [SPEAKER_00]: That's right. [SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they take it fucking seriously over. [SPEAKER_02]: Sure, and you've got things here in the wall.

[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, so seeing a statesman like Trump who's forty years older than you and also authoritative, you're like, oh shit, that must have been a very interesting conversation. [SPEAKER_02]: But my interest, the, according to the translator, my understanding is every, this is very healthy because this is what brought down the sub Union, every North Korea now in those sub bullshit. [SPEAKER_02]: the whole story.

[SPEAKER_02]: Yep. [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: So if they know it's bullshit, that's the last step before things become normal. [SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, we've been secretly dropping pamphlets for years. [SPEAKER_00]: And then we started with memory sticks and then we have their satellites and devices. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah. [SPEAKER_00]: Right.

[SPEAKER_00]: That are literally brought in by drones and shit like that and dropped into villages in southern North Korea with basically like a little documentary on it, which is quite a bit better than what we did. [SPEAKER_00]: And the Eastern Black states back in the day and the stands, especially. [SPEAKER_00]: I'm probably showing up making this up the Air Force in CIA. [SPEAKER_00]: We're dropping.

[SPEAKER_00]: leaflets with extra large magnum condoms taped to them saying that this is what American dicks are like now you're lying swear to god one of my off the point one of my college professors I don't know they thought they were going to turn the women against this this the Russians there's something I don't know that's how you turn game that's how you're game that's how you're game man against other eastern European matter pretty gay to be fair right

[SPEAKER_02]: But you literally it's not gonna affect with me not like I don't think there's a correlation. [SPEAKER_02]: I'm not saying it was smart. [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, one of my buddies or buddies one of my professors was in Air Force intelligence guys like yeah, we did all kinds of stupid shit holy and they have

[SPEAKER_00]: some aircraft that flew around the hat satellite on it radio mostly they were broadcasting radio in there i mean just like that's normal sure duct-taping condoms to leaflets not so normal holy shit but you know we do a lot of dumb shit you could any paid for that to you could have drawn a dick you know the condoms not really gonna like the romans is the big one alright we'll tell everybody we got to get out of here and do the other show tell everybody where they can find you

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