In the season finale of CISOP, Kim Jones is joined by N2K’s own Ethan Cook to reflect on the conversations that shaped this season. Together, they revisit standout moments from Kim’s interviews, unpacking their significance and getting Ethan’s fresh perspective on the cybersecurity workforce challenge—as someone viewing the industry from the outside. Since the mid-season reflection, Kim has explored a wide range of workforce issues, including skills mapping, talent identification, and the evolvi...
Jul 08, 2025•56 min•Season 16Ep. 111
In this mid-season episode, Kim takes a step back to reflect on the journey so far—revisiting key conversations, standout moments, and recurring themes that have shaped the season. During the episode, Kim sits down with N2K's own Ethan Cook to connect the dots across episodes, uncovering deeper patterns and takeaways. Whether you're catching up or tuning in weekly, this episode offers a thoughtful recap and fresh perspective on where we've been—and what's still to come. Learn more about your ad ...
Jun 10, 2025•43 min•Season 16Ep. 110
Show Notes: While the cybersecurity industry has expanded and grown in recent years, newcomers still struggle to gain relevant "experience" before officially beginning their cyber careers. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Kathleen Smith , the Chief Outreach Officer at clearedjobs.net and the co-host of Security Cleared Jobs : Who’s Hiring & How, to discuss this dilemma and what new entrants can do to account for these difficulties. Throughout the conversati...
Apr 29, 2025•41 min•Season 16Ep. 109
Show Notes: Cybersecurity has an identity problem where the industry as a whole is struggling to determine whether it is a trade or a profession. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Larry Whiteside Jr ., the Chief Advisory Officer for The CISO Society, to discuss this identity crisis and how the industry as a whole connects to both of these labels. Throughout the conversation, Larry and Kim will discuss the merits and drawbacks of both labels and how cybersecurity...
Apr 22, 2025•46 min•Season 16Ep. 108
Show Notes: The cyber talent ecosystem faces severe indigestion, which has stifled growth and closed doors to new talent. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Ed Adams , the Head of Cybersecurity for North America at the Bureau Veritas Group , to discuss what has caused this indigestion and how leadership can better address these challenges. A key aspect of this conversation revolved around discussing Ed's book , See Yourself in Cyber: Security Careers Beyond Hacki...
Apr 15, 2025•42 min•Season 16Ep. 107
In CISO Perspectives, Kim Jones, a CISO with over four decades of real-world security and risk management experience, sits down with industry leaders throughout this series for candid conversations that share their experiences and perspectives about the cybersecurity industry and the many challenges it faces. Whether it be cybersecurity leadership, talent ecosystems, career entry points, or certifications, these conversations will help you build a stronger and more impactful cyber ecosystem with...
Apr 08, 2025•47 sec•Season 16Ep. 106
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Caroline Wong, the Chief Strategy Officer at Cobalt to discuss the mechanics of writing a cybersecurity book about AI. References: Ben Smith. “Security Metrics: A Beginner’s Guide” Review [Review]. Cybersecurity Canon Project. Caroline Wong, 2011. Security Metrics, A Beginner’s Guide [Book]. Goodreads. Rick Howard, Caroline Wong, 2022. Interview with Author and Hall of Fame winner Caroline Wong [Interview]...
Nov 25, 2024•20 min•Season 11Ep. 105
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Kevin Magee, the Global Director of Cybersecurity Startups at Microsoft to discuss Cyber-entrepreneurship in the age of CyberAI. For a complete reading list and even more information, check out Rick’s more detailed essay on the topic. References: Andrew McCarty, Emma Eschweiler, Natalie Fratto, Andrew Pardo, Jake Ledbetter, 2024. The Rise of CyberAI [Analysis]. Silicon Valley Bank. Camille Périssère, 2024....
Nov 18, 2024•23 min•Season 11Ep. 104
Rick Howard, The CyberWire’s Chief Analyst, CSO, and Senior Fellow, and the cast of the entire CyberWire team, honor our U.S. veterans on this special day. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Nov 11, 2024•16 min•Season 11Ep. 5576
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to William MacMillan, the Chief Product Officer at Andesite, to discuss the Cybersecurity First Principle of automation: current state and what happens now with AI as it applies to SOC Operations. For a complete reading list and even more information, check out Rick’s more detailed essay on the topic. Check out Rick's 3-part election mini-series: Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propagand...
Nov 04, 2024•23 min•Season 11Ep. 103
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting duties to Dr. Rebecca Wynn, the Click Solutions Group Global Chief Security Strategist & CISO. She interviews Justin Daniels, a Baker Donelson lawyer and podcast host with expertise in cyber operations, M&A, and investment capital transactions, on the current state of cyber law and compliance. Check out Rick's 3-part election mini-series: Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propaganda Work?...
Oct 28, 2024•11 min•Season 11Ep. 102
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting responsibilities to Kim Jones, the Managing Director at Ursus Security Consulting. He takes a first principles look at the idea of identity. Check out Rick's 3-part election mini-series: Part 1: Election Propaganda Part 1: How Does Election Propaganda Work? In this episode, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses personal defensive measures that every citizen can take—regardless of po...
Oct 21, 2024•18 min•Season 11Ep. 101
Thinking past the US 2024 Presidential Election, In part three of the series, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses reducing the impact of propaganda in the future elections with Perry Carpenter, Chief Human Risk Management Strategist at KnowBe4 and host of the 8th Layer Insights Podcast, Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project, and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber. Check out Part 1 & 2! Part 1...
Oct 16, 2024•47 min•Season 11Ep. 5575
In preparation for the US 2024 Presidential Election, Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses recent international propaganda efforts in the form of nation state interference and influence operations as well as domestic campaigns designed to split the target country into opposing camps. Guests include Nina Jankowicz, Co-Founder and CEO of the The American Sunlight Project and Scott Small, Director of Cyber Threat Intelligence at Tidal Cyber. References: Scott Smal...
Oct 09, 2024•50 min•Season 11Ep. 5574
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, has a free-wheeling conversation with Merritt Baer, Reco AI’s CISO, about how infosec professionals should think about AI, Machine Learning, and Large Language Models (LLMs). Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
Oct 07, 2024•17 min•Season 11Ep. 100
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses personal defensive measures that an average citizen, regardless of political philosophy, can take in order to not succumb to propaganda. References: David Ehl, 2024. Why Meta is now banning Russian propaganda [News]. Deutsche Welle. Jeff Berman, Renée DiResta, 2023. Disinformation & How To Combat It [Interview]. Youtube. Niha Masih, 2024. Meta bans Russian state media outlet RT for acts of ‘foreign interference’ [News]. ...
Oct 02, 2024•33 min•Season 10Ep. 5573
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting responsibilities to Rick Doten, the VP of Information Security at Centene and one of the original contributors to the N2K CyberWire Hash Table. He makes the case to invigorate the automation first principle cybersecurity strategy. In this case, he is specifically addressing remediation automation. References: Staff, n.d. National Pie Championships [Website]. American Pie Council. Rick Doten. Rick’s Cybersecurity Vid...
Sep 30, 2024•18 min•Season 11Ep. 99
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting responsibilities to Roselle Safran, the CEO and Founder of KeyCaliber and one of the original contributors to the N2K CyberWire Hash Table. She interviews Tia Hopkins, the eSentire Chief Cyber Resilience Officer, to make the business case for why resilience might be the most important cyber strategy. References: Black Women in Cyber Collective, 2024. Securing Our Future: Embracing The Resilience and Brilliance of Bl...
Sep 23, 2024•25 min•Season 11Ep. 98
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, turns over hosting responsibilities to Errol Weiss, the Chief Security Officer (CSO) of the HEALTH-ISAC and one of the original contributors to the N2K CyberWire Hash Table. He will make the business case for information sharing. References: White and Williams LLP, Staff Osborne Clarke LLP , 2018. Threat Information Sharing and GDPR [Legal Review]. FS-ISAC. Senator Richard Burr (R-NC), 2015. S.754 - 114th Congress (2015-2016): To impr...
Sep 16, 2024•24 min•Season 11Ep. 97
For the 20th anniversary of 9/11 in 2021, Rick Howard, the CyberWire’s CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow, recounts his experience from inside the Pentagon running the communications systems for the Army Operations Center. Read Rick's related essay and check out his original notes of 9/11/01 written in the weeks following the attacks. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices...
Sep 11, 2024•30 min•Season 10Ep. 5572
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses the meaning of cybersecurity materiality. References: Amy Howe, 2024. Supreme Court strikes down Chevron, curtailing power of federal agencies [Blog] Cydney Posner, 2023. SEC Adopts Final Rules on Cybersecurity Disclosure [Explainer]. The Harvard Law School Forum on Corporate Governance. Cynthia Brumfield, 2022. 5 years after NotPetya: Lessons learned Analysis]. CSO Online. Eleanor Dallaway, 2023. Closed for Business: The Or...
Aug 12, 2024•12 min•Season 10Ep. 96
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses the idea that Cybersecurity is radically asymmetrically distributed. It means that cybersecurity risk is not the same for all verticals and knowing that may impact the first principle strategies you choose to protect your enterprise. For a complete reading list and even more information, check out Rick’s more detailed essay on the topic. References: André Munro, 2024. Liberal democracy [Explainer]. Encyclopedia Britannica. D...
Aug 05, 2024•18 min•Season 10Ep. 95
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, discusses the current state of zero trust with CyberWire Hash Table guest John Kindervag, the originator of the zero trust idea. References: Jonathan Jones, 2011. “Six Honest Serving Men” by Rudyard Kipling [Video]. YouTube. Dave Bittner, Rick Howard, John Kindervag, Kapil Raina, 2021. Zeroing in on zero trust. [Podcast]. CyberWire-X Podcast - N2K Cyberwire. Dawn Cappelli, Andrew Moore, Randall Trzeciak, 2012. The CERT Guide to Inside...
Jul 29, 2024•18 min•Season 10Ep. 94
Rick Howard, The CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at N2K Cyber, discusses the current state of Cyber Threat Intelligence with CyberWire Hash Table guest John Hultquist, Mandiant’s Chief Analyst. References: Andy Greenberg, 2022. Tracers in the Dark: The Global Hunt for the Crime Lords of Cryptocurrency [Book]. Goodreads. Josephine Wolff, October 2023. How Hackers Swindled Vegas [Explainer]. Slate. Rick Howard, 2023. Cybersecurity First Principles Book Appendix [Book Support Page]. N2K Cyber...
Jul 22, 2024•17 min•Season 10Ep. 93
Rick Howard, The CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at N2K Cyber, discusses the current state of MITRE ATT&CK with CyberWire Hash Table guests Frank Duff, Tidal Cyber’s Chief Innovation Officer, Amy Robertson, MITRE Threat Intelligence Engineer and ATT&CK Engagement lead, and Rick Doten, Centene’s VP of Information Security. References: Amy L. Robertson, 2024. ATT&CK 2024 Roadmap [Essay]. Medium. Blake E. Strom, Andy Applebaum, Doug P. Miller, Kathryn C. Nickels, Adam G. Penningto...
Jul 15, 2024•18 min•Season 10Ep. 92
Rick Howard, The CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at N2K CyberWire, discusses the current state of Identity and Access Management (IAM) with CyberWire Hash Table guests Ted Wagner, SAP National Security Services, and Cassio Sampaio Chief Product Officer for Customer Identity, at Okta. References: John Kindervag, 2010. No More Chewy Centers: Introducing The Zero Trust Model Of Information Security [White Paper]. Palo Alto Networks. Kim Key, 2024. Passkeys: What They Are and Why You Need Them...
Jul 01, 2024•16 min•Season 10Ep. 91
Rick Howard, The CSO, Chief Analyst, and Senior Fellow at N2K Cyber, discusses the current state of “eXtended Detection and Response” (XDR) with CyberWire Hash Table guests Rick Doten, Centene’s VP of Security, and Milad Aslaner , Sentinel One’s XDR Product Manager. References: Alexandra Aguiar, 2023. Key Trends from the 2023 Hype Cycle for Security Operations [Gartner Hype Cycle Chart]. Noetic Cyber. Daniel Suarez, 2006. Daemon [Book]. Goodreads. Dave Crocker, 2020. Who Invented Email, Email Hi...
Jun 17, 2024•19 min•Season 10Ep. 90
Rick Howard, N2K’s CSO and The CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, presents the argument for why the SEC was misguided when it charged the SolarWinds CISO, Tim Brown, with fraud the after the Russian SVR compromised the SolarWinds flagship product, Orion. Our guests are, Steve Winterfeld, Akamai’s Advisory CISO, and Ted Wagner, SAP National Security Services CISO. References: Andrew Goldstein, Josef Ansorge, Matt Nguyen, Robert Deniston, 2024. Fatal Flaws in SEC’s Amended Complaint Agai...
Jun 03, 2024•20 min•Season 10Ep. 89
Rick Howard, N2K CyberWire’s Chief Analyst, CSO, and Senior Fellow, commemorates Memorial Day. References: Abraham Lincoln, 1863. The Gettysburg Address [Speech]. Abraham Lincoln Online. Amanda Onion, Original 2009, Updated 2023. Memorial Day 2022: Facts, Meaning & Traditions [Essay]. HISTORY. Brent Hugh, 2021. A Brief History of “John Brown’s Body” [Essay]. Digital History. Bob Zeller, 2022. How Many Died in the American Civil War? [Essay]. HISTORY. General George Marshall, 2014. President ...
May 27, 2024•19 min•Season 10Ep. 5571
Rick Howard, N2K’s CSO and The CyberWire’s Chief Analyst and Senior Fellow, interviews Eugene Spafford about his 2024 Cybersecurity Canon Hall of Fame book: “Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions.” References: Eugene Spafford, Leigh Metcalf, Josiah Dykstra, Illustrator: Pattie Spafford. 2023. Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions: Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls that Derail Us [Book]. Goodreads. Helen Patton, 2024. Cybersecurity Myths and Misconceptions: Avoiding the Hazards and Pitfalls tha...
May 07, 2024•15 min•Season 10Ep. 5570
